Green group: The U.S. auto industry “owes us” better mileage and emissions standards

posted at 5:21 pm on August 20, 2012 by Erika Johnsen

Writing in the USA Today this morning, advocates for the Safe Climate Campaign opined about the need for U.S. automakers to “behave responsibly” and “shun their gas-guzzling ways” in compliance with the Obama administration’s mileage standards — something that they apparently now owe to the American people, not merely for the sake of common decency, but especially after receiving taxpayer bailouts from the federal government. …Face. Palm.

Rising phoenix-like, the domestic auto industry now recognizes it is competing in a global market with companies already making hybrids, electric vehicles and other efficient models. …

Even so, automakers need to be watched. Even as they signed on to the president’s signal environmental achievement, their lobbying won loopholes. The rules set weaker requirements for fleets with larger vehicles, favoring U.S. car companies, which build mostly large models. The standards use a sliding scale based on size to determine how much each company’s fleet must improve mileage and cut emissions. A company that shifts to big cars from compacts has leeway to produce a fleet that falls below 54.5 mpg. …

Having agreed to support a strong national mileage and emissions plan, the auto industry is at a crossroad. It could drive itself back into a ditch, turning out new fleets with the same old gas-guzzlers that ignore what consumers want and the environment needs. Or it could seize the opportunity to turn itself around, taking the wheel as America fights global warming and its oil habit.

After pocketing $80 billion in taxpayer bailouts, Detroit owes us responsible behavior. The U.S. needs to cut its oil addiction. Drivers want to save on gas. We all need a safer climate. Automakers hold the key.

Blergh. The level of self-contradiction is amazing, but I’m going to try to untangle this web of economic fail just a little bit: First of all, above everything else, all businesses want to make money. No business can expect to “ignore what consumers want” and remain profitable — is the U.S. auto industry really addicted to churning out “gas-guzzling” vehicles just for their own sick, twisted, enviro-hating pleasure? No! Automakers want to keep making SUVs and trucks and etcetera because people want to buy them. If hybrids and electric cars and whatnot are really everything they’re cracked up to be, consumers will want to buy them willingly and automakers will willingly and competitively supply them. Automakers don’t need to be “watched” as if they’re somehow the nefarious enemy of ostensible social progress, and especially not if it means being afforded more rent-seeking opportunities by becoming more entangled by the politics-over-pragmatism wiles of the federal government.

And secondly, as far as ensuring the most fuel-efficient vehicles possible, incentives already abound for automakers to work for better fuel efficiency and to compete to produce the best vehicles: People like to save as much money on gas as possible, and ergo, when determining between otherwise comparable vehicles, they will choose to buy the one that gets the better gas mileage. I can guarantee you that automakers aren’t just now realizing that they’re “competing in a global market” — and competition is a much more powerful and effective force for innovation and efficiency than arbitrary government standards will ever be. If it’s really that easy and poses zero negative economic costs, why stop at President Obama’s upcoming requirements that automakers come up with cars that meet a 54.5 mpg standard by 2025? Why not 75 mpg by 2020? Better yet, why not have them produce hovercrafts that are powered by moonbeams, immediately?

Besides the unnecessary costs that accelerating these mileage and emissions standards will impose upon new cars’ affordability (which will then have other ripple effects throughout the wider economy), has anyone paused to consider — oh, I don’t know — the effects that these standards will have on safety? Maybe?

Another, far worse consequence of the skyrocketing mileage requirements is that many cars will need to be made smaller, lighter, and with thinner metal and more plastic, to achieve the new “corporate average fleet economy” (CAFÉ) standards.

These vehicles – even with seatbelts, air bags and expensive vehicle modifications – will not be as safe as they would be if mileage weren’t a major consideration. They will have less “armor” to protect drivers and passengers, and less space between vehicle occupants and whatever car, truck, bus, wall, tree or embankment their car might hit.

The NHTSA, Brookings Institution, Harvard School of Public Health, National Academy of Sciences and USA Today discovered a shocking reality. Even past and current mileage standards have resulted in thousands of additional fatalities, and tens of thousands of serious injuries, every year – above what would have happened if the government had not imposed those standards.


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If people would only just listen and obey! I know how to run the world.

In related news: uhm, aren’t emission rates dropping precipitously because or our use of natural gas?

John the Libertarian on August 20, 2012 at 5:25 PM

Neverending stream of marxist entitlement-minded schemes.

rayra on August 20, 2012 at 5:25 PM

First “Narf.”

Now “Blergh.”

Do you make weird sounds like that on dates too? :P

lorien1973 on August 20, 2012 at 5:26 PM

Here’s a thought. If you don’t like their standards, build your own F***in car! On a related note, there is no reason to artificially depress the price of gasoline. Cheap Gas is not a right. The Free Market will decide what fuel mileage cars will get. Detroit will listen if no one is buying. Stop subsidies for everything.

reddevil on August 20, 2012 at 5:26 PM

Government Motors owes something, but it’s not the kind of green you’re talking about.

Wolfmoon on August 20, 2012 at 5:26 PM

If anyone owes me a car, it’s Fisker Automotive.

KMC1 on August 20, 2012 at 5:27 PM

In related news: uhm, aren’t emission rates dropping precipitously because or our use of natural gas?

John the Libertarian on August 20, 2012 at 5:25 PM

Nope. That’s another fiction. It’s dropping because the engine of our economy is barely running. The Obamunists have almost destroyed it in the same manner they deliberately destroyed the engines of all the Cash for Clunkers vehicles.

rayra on August 20, 2012 at 5:27 PM

That Fisker is working out awesome!

tom daschle concerned on August 20, 2012 at 5:27 PM

Lovely, more people with twisted broken bodies after an accident. You would think that after killing 40 million Africans in the 20th century by banning DDT, that environmentalists would relax for a few years before embarking to slaughter a whole new generation of people.

Rambotito on August 20, 2012 at 5:28 PM

Ah, the inexorable laws of unintended consequences strike CAFE standards and deaths from accidents. Why anyone should be surprised by this is beyond my comprehension.

Cecil on August 20, 2012 at 5:29 PM

Green group: The U.S. auto industry “owes us” better mileage and emissions standards

Funny, they owe the US tax payer a couple billion dollars.

I wonder who will get what they are owed first…

Gatsu on August 20, 2012 at 5:29 PM

If GM is going to keep making little geeky cars that few want, then they will bankrupt a 2nd time, and lets let the second time be the charm, no second bailout!

anotherJoe on August 20, 2012 at 5:30 PM

The NHTSA, Brookings Institution, Harvard School of Public Health, National Academy of Sciences and USA Today discovered a shocking reality. Even past and current mileage standards have resulted in thousands of additional fatalities, and tens of thousands of serious injuries, every year – above what would have happened if the government had not imposed those standards.

Ericka, you’re not thinking about the trees.

Detroit owes us responsible behavior.

LMFAO!…..oh…you meant the car industry in general, not the city itself.

BobMbx on August 20, 2012 at 5:31 PM

When an automaker makes me a handicap van that BURNS hydrogen instead of converting it into electricity and has enough room to get my son and his 500lb electric wheelchair in it without having the van die in 3 years from the strain, I’ll buy one.

Until hydrogen is used as the fuel of choice I don’t want to hear these stupid liberals whining about how much gas I burn driving my son around.

Just shut up and go to green hell, I’m not hearing your dumb asses.

Wolfmoon on August 20, 2012 at 5:31 PM

That’s another fiction.

rayra on August 20, 2012 at 5:27 PM

Erika just wrote about it.

John the Libertarian on August 20, 2012 at 5:31 PM

Even past and current mileage standards have resulted in thousands of additional fatalities, and tens of thousands of serious injuries, every year – above what would have happened if the government had not imposed those standards.

If we drilled more of our own oil, we wouldn’t need ultra-expensive, unsafe cars.

How many people must die because we don’t want to disturb some herds of caribou?

MessesWithTexas on August 20, 2012 at 5:32 PM

This is crazy talk. We don’t need higher gas mileage standards because oil will never run out. Even if it does God and Jesus will give America more.

plewis on August 20, 2012 at 5:33 PM

I hear the profit margin on a Chevy Volt is razor thin (some say sold at a loss). Is this true?

toliver on August 20, 2012 at 5:34 PM

In related news: uhm, aren’t emission rates dropping precipitously because or our use of natural gas?

John the Libertarian on August 20, 2012 at 5:25 PM

How much has crude oil production decreased because of the increased use of natural gas?

Zero. Whatever amount of crude oil the US decreases its use by is immediately transferred to China, India, and other emerging countries.

If we don’t burn it, somebody else will.

BobMbx on August 20, 2012 at 5:35 PM

I hear the profit margin on a Chevy Volt is razor thin (some say sold at a loss). Is this true?

toliver on August 20, 2012 at 5:34 PM

They are sold on a loss from what I’ve read.

lorien1973 on August 20, 2012 at 5:35 PM

See, it says right there in the Constitution that all people have a right to emission and mileage standards.

You have to read closely, it’s next to the right to kill the unborn and the right to be able to visit a jazz club without having to be around smokers.

Bishop on August 20, 2012 at 5:36 PM

This is crazy talk. We don’t need higher gas mileage standards because oil will never run out. Even if it does God and Jesus will give America more.

plewis on August 20, 2012 at 5:33 PM

Sing it, brother.

In fact we should build wind farms off Hyannisport to get energ….wait what? Rich, environmentally correct liberals are screaming NIMBY? Oh. Well ok…I guess…uh…we can build these farms down south around the dumb little people.

Bishop on August 20, 2012 at 5:40 PM

You know, all would a lot better if both sides could get together and abolish the laws of physics – then we could have perpetual motion vehicles that won’t need fuel.

Chip on August 20, 2012 at 5:41 PM

This is crazy talk. We don’t need higher gas mileage standards because oil will never run out. Even if it does God and Jesus will give America more.

plewis on August 20, 2012 at 5:33 PM

It won’t run out before the time a new source is developed that is actually economically viable.

lorien1973 on August 20, 2012 at 5:41 PM

Better yet, why not have them produce hovercrafts that are powered by moonbeams, immediately?

Don’t give them any ideas, there, Erika.
They already annually fine the oil refiners millions of dollars for not adding X% of cellulosic alchohol into gasoline (because the manufacturing process doesn’t exist yet). They might just start handing out fines for lack of moonbeam power. Makes equal sense.

iurockhead on August 20, 2012 at 5:41 PM

I hear the profit margin on a Chevy Volt is razor thin (some say sold at a loss). Is this true?

toliver on August 20, 2012 at 5:34 PM

It costs $250K to make one and they sell for $40K – you do the math on that profit margin. The only thing keeping it alive is Obummer giving them our tax money to make up the difference.

dentarthurdent on August 20, 2012 at 5:42 PM

You get nothing, melons…NOTHING!

SMACKRUNNER on August 20, 2012 at 5:43 PM

Driving companies out of business and killing people. The top two planks of the democrat party.

Is anyone surprised?

jukin3 on August 20, 2012 at 5:44 PM

This is crazy talk. We don’t need higher gas mileage standards because oil will never run out. Even if it does God and Jesus will give America more.

plewis on August 20, 2012 at 5:33 PM

Oil will never completely run out, it will become far too expensive for consumers long before supplies reach zero. Need an Econ 101 refresher?

weaselyone on August 20, 2012 at 5:45 PM

that ignore what consumers want and the environment needs

I like my suburban. I remember this last summer I went back to Omaha to visit my family and we had all the vehicles parked in the drive way. My parents 3 vehicles (Tahoe, Silverado, and Explorer), My suburban, my sister’s Sierra and her friends Yukon XL. I just imagined that if a greenie walked by and saw it he would have had a stroke.

tommer74 on August 20, 2012 at 5:45 PM

This is crazy talk. We don’t need higher gas mileage standards because oil will never run out. Even if it does God and Jesus will give America more.

plewis on August 20, 2012 at 5:33 PM

Maybe you’d be happy if cars were made from recycled cardboard and powered by solar cells? Let’s see you out on the road in one of those.

And recent geological studies indicate that the earth may in fact be creating oil all the time – i.e. it’s not JUST from all the plants and dinosaurs from millions of years ago.

dentarthurdent on August 20, 2012 at 5:47 PM

If O was really behind “green” and “energy efficiency” and the auto industry he would be pushing Compressed Natural Gas cars by getting service stations to add CNG “pumps”. Automakers could do away with at least 25% of the engine bs in cars (you burn natural gas in your kitchen without emission controls) and achieve that high mileage everyone is chasing. We have lots of natural gas, we have the technology (it’s not like the fuel cell 20+ years away). It hits all the “green” goals. We added a 3rd pump to all stations across the nation in 1974 for unleaded gas in less than a year — adding a compressor and reservoir tank should not be a big deal.

Lets stop exporting our natural gas and import less oil!

KenInIL on August 20, 2012 at 5:48 PM

Mopeds – The wave of the future. Start pedaling, get your speed up, then reach back and flip the lever. If it doesn’t work, do it all over again.

And yes you will look pretty stupid trying to hold a 4×4 sheet of plywood while riding your moped, but hey this is about saving Mother Gaia.

Bishop on August 20, 2012 at 5:48 PM

Well at least we are off Mitt’s taxes/dog/killing g-ma from his medicare plan for a day?
L

letget on August 20, 2012 at 5:48 PM

My parents 3 vehicles (Tahoe, Silverado, and Explorer), My suburban, my sister’s Sierra and her friends Yukon XL. I just imagined that if a greenie walked by and saw it he would have had a stroke.

tommer74 on August 20, 2012 at 5:45 PM

Naw – he would have thought algore and a bunch of the other green hypocrits were having an AGW conference in seclusion.

dentarthurdent on August 20, 2012 at 5:48 PM

This is crazy talk. We don’t need higher gas mileage standards because oil will never run out. Even if it does God and Jesus will give America more.

plewis on August 20, 2012 at 5:33 PM

We will eventually run out of rubber, iron ore, and alumninum. We need to start requiring cars to be made of wood.

Do you know what was wrong with the wooden car?
It wooden go.

weaselyone on August 20, 2012 at 5:49 PM

If you are currently driving an “older model” car, hang onto it. It might mean a comfortable retirement when you sell it.

On the bright side, the lemmings are the only ones buying the ObamaMobiles. Think of it as reverse-birth control.

GarandFan on August 20, 2012 at 5:49 PM

This is crazy talk. We don’t need higher gas mileage standards because oil will never run out. Even if it does God and Jesus will give America more.

plewis on August 20, 2012 at 5:33 PM

But Obama The God of Destruction can somehow heal the planet by commanding the rising seas to fall & snap his fingers & the technology capable of doing all the Greens command will be at our disposal.
Bcs as we all know, if you demand higher gas mileage standards, the technology to make them possible will instantly appear from no where.

Badger40 on August 20, 2012 at 5:50 PM

plewis on August 20, 2012 at 5:33 PM

I forgot to ask you:
Why do you hate little chirrun & old people?

Badger40 on August 20, 2012 at 5:51 PM

It costs $250K to make one and they sell for $40K – you do the math on that profit margin. The only thing keeping it alive is Obummer giving them our tax money to make up the difference.

“Yeah but we make it up on volume!”
Wyle B. Obama
Super Genius

jukin3 on August 20, 2012 at 5:51 PM

It costs $250K to make one and they sell for $40K – you do the math on that profit margin. The only thing keeping it alive is Obummer giving them our tax money to make up the difference.

dentarthurdent on August 20, 2012 at 5:42 PM

I think that number includes R&D. For each that sell, that number goes down.

lorien1973 on August 20, 2012 at 5:51 PM

And yes you will look pretty stupid trying to hold a 4×4 sheet of plywood while riding your moped, but hey this is about saving Mother Gaia.

Bishop on August 20, 2012 at 5:48 PM

Ahhhh, you brought back memories of my last visit to the Dominican Republic.

weaselyone on August 20, 2012 at 5:51 PM

We added a 3rd pump to all stations across the nation in 1974 for unleaded gas in less than a year — adding a compressor and reservoir tank should not be a big deal.

Lets stop exporting our natural gas and import less oil!

KenInIL on August 20, 2012 at 5:48 PM

EXCEPT – the EPA had only been alive for 4 years so they weren’t the all-powerful megalomaniacs they are now. Do you really think the EPA would allow something like that to happen that fast?

dentarthurdent on August 20, 2012 at 5:52 PM

We will eventually run out of rubber, iron ore, and alumninum. We need to start requiring cars to be made of wood.

weaselyone on August 20, 2012 at 5:49 PM

You idiot, we will make cars out of “wind” just as we will all the other things that are petroleum based such as roof shingles and plastics.

Why do I have to explain everything around here?

Bishop on August 20, 2012 at 5:52 PM

They need to outlaw the semi tractor trailer.
These things get horrible mileage.
They need to demand they get 50 mpg.
Our 2000 Peterbuilt gets around 4-6 mpg depending.
This is outrageous.
Demand better mileage.
I truly think it’s much better for the Earth to transport goods around the nation in Chevy volts.

Badger40 on August 20, 2012 at 5:53 PM

Besides the unnecessary costs that accelerating these mileage and emissions standards will impose upon new cars’ affordability (which will then have other ripple effects throughout the wider economy), has anyone paused to consider — oh, I don’t know — the effects that these standards will have on safety? Maybe?

Another, far worse consequence of the skyrocketing mileage requirements is that many cars will need to be made smaller, lighter, and with thinner metal and more plastic, to achieve the new “corporate average fleet economy” (CAFÉ) standards.

These vehicles – even with seatbelts, air bags and expensive vehicle modifications – will not be as safe as they would be if mileage weren’t a major consideration. They will have less “armor” to protect drivers and passengers, and less space between vehicle occupants and whatever car, truck, bus, wall, tree or embankment their car might hit.

The NHTSA, Brookings Institution, Harvard School of Public Health, National Academy of Sciences and USA Today discovered a shocking reality. Even past and current mileage standards have resulted in thousands of additional fatalities, and tens of thousands of serious injuries, every year – above what would have happened if the government had not imposed those standards.

The NHTSA doesn’t think it is CAFE standards driving that. Read the actual report Erika. Nice stretch though.

lexhamfox on August 20, 2012 at 5:53 PM

I think that number includes R&D. For each that sell, that number goes down.

lorien1973 on August 20, 2012 at 5:51 PM

And how many are they selling each month???
In order for the total amortized cost to go down, they have to actually sell the cars – a lot of them – and they aren’t selling.
Toyota didn’t have that kind of loss in the first few years of the Prius.

dentarthurdent on August 20, 2012 at 5:55 PM

Perhaps GM should start building buggies and raising horses. Not only would it be green, but just think of all the jobs that would create for farriers and buggy whip suppliers.

MJBrutus on August 20, 2012 at 5:56 PM

You idiot, we will make cars out of “wind” just as we will all the other things that are petroleum based such as roof shingles and plastics.

Why do I have to explain everything around here?

Bishop on August 20, 2012 at 5:52 PM

Ahhhh, wind shingles…I like it.

weaselyone on August 20, 2012 at 5:56 PM

“Yeah but we make it up on volume!”
Wyle B. Obama
Super Genius

jukin3 on August 20, 2012 at 5:51 PM

LOL – yes and also actually stated by our resident libtard genius bayam last week when I said that.

dentarthurdent on August 20, 2012 at 5:57 PM

This is crazy talk.

plewis on August 20, 2012 at 5:33 PM

Expert on crazy talk checks in.

Care to tell me why here in New Hampshire, tree-huggers like yourself are bitterly opposed to cheap Hydro Power from Quebec, simply because the transmission towers will be 100 feet tall, but have absolutely no problem with the new wind farm going in right next to the scenic White Mountain National Forest with wind turbines 400 feet tall?

F-

Del Dolemonte on August 20, 2012 at 5:59 PM

Ah, stop knocking the new CAFE standards. Actually, I’m glad someone besides greenies follow such things.

BTW, someone sent me a site where they play a commercial extolling the virtues of the new 54.5 MPG or whatever.

The best part is someone strapping a cat or something onto the top of a Cadillac crossover.

I thought the government was nice?

http://new.slots.pch.com/game-play?utm_source=lotto&utm_medium=interstitial&utm_campaign=exit

IlikedAUH2O on August 20, 2012 at 5:59 PM

Ahhhh, wind shingles…I like it.

weaselyone on August 20, 2012 at 5:56 PM

Think of it, you need some shingles or a new plastic cell phone cover, you simply hold your wind collector into the breeze and out pops whatever you need. Damn amazing if you ask me.

Bishop on August 20, 2012 at 5:59 PM

You idiot, we will make cars out of “wind” just as we will all the other things that are petroleum based such as roof shingles and plastics.

Why do I have to explain everything around here?

Bishop on August 20, 2012 at 5:52 PM

Flying carpets perhaps? Then the Arabs will have a total monopoly on our transportation……

dentarthurdent on August 20, 2012 at 6:01 PM

Lets stop exporting our natural gas and import less oil!

KenInIL on August 20, 2012 at 5:48 PM

Exactly.

But Obama hates Natural Gas.

Why?

Because this has nothing to do with pollution or Global Warming. It only has to do with global transfer of wealth from America to the rest of the world.

Why they hate Nuclear so much. We have tons of that but that would not transfer money away from America.

It really is that simple.

Steveangell on August 20, 2012 at 6:02 PM

Until hydrogen is used as the fuel of choice I don’t want to hear these stupid liberals whining about how much gas I burn driving my son around.

Just shut up and go to green hell, I’m not hearing your dumb asses.

Wolfmoon on August 20, 2012 at 5:31 PM

Didn’t a certain Lightbringer cancel those projects.

RickB on August 20, 2012 at 6:04 PM

After pocketing $80 billion in taxpayer bailouts, Detroit owes us responsible behavior.

So, is building the Volt an example of responsible behavior?

STL_Vet on August 20, 2012 at 6:05 PM

Wouldn’t it be nice that for like just one time, whenever some moron environmental-case group starts making loopy demands of a certain major industry, the certain major industry in question responds by suggesting to the group in particular to go have themselves a nice piping hot cup of SHUT THE HELL UP!, and tells them to insert their demands firmly, and with extreme prejudice, into that special mythical place where the sun shines not?

pilamaye on August 20, 2012 at 6:07 PM

KenInIL on August 20, 2012 at 5:48 PM

If you owned stock in CHK you would know Nat Gas prices are too low.

If the whole nation ever got the story on the real risk/reward ratio in oil exploration and production, they would get off this “Hate Big Oil” craze.

A real capitalist would give the whole country stock they couldn’t sell and have to wait for returns.

Then you would see capitalism take off.

IlikedAUH2O on August 20, 2012 at 6:08 PM

So, is building the Volt an example of responsible behavior?

STL_Vet on August 20, 2012 at 6:05 PM

In the greenie eyes – see plewis posts.

dentarthurdent on August 20, 2012 at 6:09 PM

They’re called the hard sciences for a reason.

SomeCallMeJohn on August 20, 2012 at 6:13 PM

They’re called the hard sciences for a reason.

SomeCallMeJohn on August 20, 2012 at 6:13 PM

Yup – there’s a reason so few American kids are going after engineering and science degrees in college.

dentarthurdent on August 20, 2012 at 6:21 PM

Better mileage????

Maybe Hope/Changey could sprinkle some Fairy Dust on it!!!

canopfor on August 20, 2012 at 6:26 PM

They’re called the hard sciences for a reason.

SomeCallMeJohn on August 20, 2012 at 6:13 PM

Yup – there’s a reason so few American kids are going after engineering and science degrees in college.

dentarthurdent on August 20, 2012 at 6:21 PM

Just look a the numbers…
OK – bad choice of words, since apparently “numbers” are a problem for kids these days – judging by what most kids major in now.

http://rabareview.com/2011/04/20/college-education-in-america-poor-choice-of-majors

dentarthurdent on August 20, 2012 at 6:26 PM

Bumper sticker seen on a full size pickup on I-95

One Less Prius

tmitsss on August 20, 2012 at 6:28 PM

Even past and current mileage standards have resulted in thousands of additional fatalities, and tens of thousands of serious injuries, every year – above what would have happened if the government had not imposed those standards.

Want to end a debate with a Lefty quick? Just bring this ^ up. Their ideology has resulted in the deaths and maimings of thousands and thousands of Americans. Barack Obama has just tripled down on these deadly regulations. The blood is on your hands, Lefties. Shameful.

t a ceremony today in Washington, D.C., President Obama announced that the new CAFE standards for vehicle fleets will be 54.5 mpg by 2025. The increase piggybacks Obama’s 2009 mandate for a CAFE average of 35.5 by 2016 and is the largest mandatory fuel economy increase in history.

visions on August 20, 2012 at 6:34 PM

MeanWhile………………………..

GM to recall 249,260 midsize SUVs for fire hazard
Mon Aug 20, 2012 12:56pm EDT
****************************

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/08/20/us-gm-idUSBRE87J0BR20120820

canopfor on August 20, 2012 at 6:34 PM

It all makes sense if we remember that environazi’s HATE human beings, and thus, if the sheeple INSIST on traveling in solo vehicles (rather than the “state approved” mass transit), they wish to make said vehicles “unsafe at any speed”.

djtnt on August 20, 2012 at 6:37 PM

Actually, I get 40 to 45 mpg with my 2010 VW jetta diesel. It’s not that hard, if we would just let markets work.

tngmv on August 20, 2012 at 6:47 PM

I am sure they could do better with mpg, it just depends on how many air bags they can put in.

Cindy Munford on August 20, 2012 at 6:50 PM

You idiot, we will make cars out of “wind” just as we will all the other things that are petroleum based such as roof shingles and plastics.

Why do I have to explain everything around here?

Bishop on August 20, 2012 at 5:52 PM

And the best part about wind cars is that the faster you go, the more power you generate.
So speed limits would be infinite!
I can play this game too! :D

Badger40 on August 20, 2012 at 7:02 PM

I am sure they could do better with mpg, it just depends on how many air bags they can put in.

Cindy Munford on August 20, 2012 at 6:50 PM

They really ought to bring back hydrogen filled blimps.

Badger40 on August 20, 2012 at 7:03 PM

I hear the profit margin on a Chevy Volt is razor thin (some say sold at a loss). Is this true?

toliver on August 20, 2012 at 5:34 PM

…don’t know how the margins stack up…but recalls after the sale aren’t cheap!

KOOLAID2 on August 20, 2012 at 7:12 PM

Well considering GM and Fiat-owned Chrysler Group exist because the government handed them the assetts of unwilling citizens, I’d say any citizen isn’t inaccurate in saying those companies “owe” them. Ford, Honda, Toyota, Nissan, though, don’t owe ‘Mericans anything.

Daikokuco on August 20, 2012 at 7:15 PM

Even past and current mileage standards have resulted in thousands of additional fatalities, and tens of thousands of serious injuries, every year – above what would have happened if the government had not imposed those standards.

Want to end a debate with a Lefty quick? Just bring this ^ up. Their ideology has resulted in the deaths and maimings of thousands and thousands of Americans. Barack Obama has just tripled down on these deadly regulations. The blood is on your hands, Lefties. Shameful.

visions on August 20, 2012 at 6:34 PM

Yet on the other hand, we have to do away with the burning of coal because some statistical studies have shown that 3.24 additional deaths a year will occur if Mercury in our air goes above 22 picograms per cubic mile.

slickwillie2001 on August 20, 2012 at 7:20 PM

…why stop at President Obama’s upcoming requirements that automakers come up with cars that meet a 54.5 mpg standard by 2025? Why not 75 mpg by 2020? Better yet, why not have them produce hovercrafts that are powered by moonbeams, immediately?

Powered by moonbeams? Moonbeams?

Sheesh I thought EVERYBODY knew that vehicles in the future will be powered by Unicorn farts.

Duh!

Moonbeams… (shakes head in disbelief)

Hill60 on August 20, 2012 at 7:37 PM

THe root to all this BS of the government saying “We declare….. shall be……” ?

It came in California with the NOX gases and smog. This problem was solved with the catalytic converter. But after decreeing that something should be done it was done. but the were already in the pipeline. The request was just well timed to coincide with technology availability that took years and millions (REAL millions) of dollars of PRIVATE INVESTMENT.

After that the people that think 1+1=POTATO got the idea by merely wishin, er, dictatin..er…regulating would magically make their wish come true. NOTE: this also applies to their economic theories.

jukin3 on August 20, 2012 at 8:38 PM

Perhaps GM should start building buggies and raising horses. Not only would it be green, but just think of all the jobs that would create for farriers and buggy whip suppliers.

MJBrutus on August 20, 2012 at 5:56 PM

I support this. I should be subsidized.
My husband & I could train the horses.
Hubby is an excellent Horse Whisperer.
That $hit takes talent.

Badger40 on August 20, 2012 at 8:38 PM

Green group: The U.S. auto industry Obama and the UAW “owes us” better mileage and emissions standards

FIFY, Green group! Thought you’d want to address the owners.

TugboatPhil on August 20, 2012 at 9:25 PM

I had a debate with a liberal at work a few weeks ago on this subject. I drive a fuel efficient compact car, and have a pick up as an extra vehicle that I picked up really cheaply (mostly to drive in the winter when it’s snowing). I said that the smaller, cheaper cars coated in plastic being sold now are way more dangerous then, say an SUV. Not only did he disagree and say smaller cars were MUCH safer, but he also argued that we could make smaller, safer, even more fuel efficient vehicles by simply outlawing SUVs. Without SUVs out there, cars could be made to a less safe standard. He didn’t have an answer for 18-wheelers and motorcycle.

Timin203 on August 20, 2012 at 9:27 PM

Sheesh I thought EVERYBODY knew that vehicles in the future will be powered by Unicorn farts.

Duh!

Moonbeams… (shakes head in disbelief)

Hill60 on August 20, 2012 at 7:37 PM

It’s the “all of the above” energy approach approved and endorsed by Our Lightbringer.

Solaratov on August 20, 2012 at 10:13 PM

If people would only just listen and obey! I know how to run the world.

In related news: uhm, aren’t emission rates dropping precipitously because or our use of natural gas?

John the Libertarian on August 20, 2012 at 5:25 PM

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Yes.

But it doesn’t matter . . . . . . they don’t give a rip about the environment.
They care about destroying the U.S. from within.

listens2glenn on August 20, 2012 at 10:18 PM

Personally I want a bigger, safer car, not any of these little bitty cars that Obummer is trying to make the auto companies build.

My husband and I were recently in a serious accident that was caused by the other driver speeding and running a red light. We have permanent facial damage. My car was almost completely destroyed and we would certainly have been dead if we had been in one of those little tin cars Obummer wants us to buy. My family will never buy one of those death traps.

sherrimae on August 21, 2012 at 11:02 AM

If it’s really that easy and poses zero negative economic costs, why stop at President Obama’s upcoming requirements that automakers come up with cars that meet a 54.5 mpg standard by 2025? Why not 75 mpg by 2020? Better yet, why not have them produce hovercrafts that are powered by moonbeams, immediately?

Great snark.

If oil is really that big a problem, why don’t they just outlaw the extraction and use of it?

For the same reason they refuse to outlaw tobacco products even though the devil himself is responsible for creating such evils.

Follow the money.

Every time they demonize a product (or service) they then have license to tax the living hell out of it. And we just keep letting them do it. This is why we will cease to be a free people.

runawayyyy on August 21, 2012 at 1:56 PM

MPG by decree.

In the 19th century the legislature of Iowa considered a resolution to make pi legally equal to 3, not 3.14 or 3.14159. After all if units like a pound and a bushel could be arbitrarily determined so could pi. A university professor talked some sense into them and they abandoned the idea.

54.5 MPG is not exactly pi=3 but Iowa didn’t actually go through with their idea.

vamoose on August 21, 2012 at 7:00 PM