Quotes of the day

posted at 9:16 pm on August 18, 2012 by Allahpundit

On the campaign trail this week, Ryan’s discussion of Medicare has focused on President Obama’s taking $716 billion from Medicare to pay for Obamacare, along with brief reassurances that he and Mitt Romney will protect the program. But in Florida today, Ryan put Medicare front and center. He both stepped up his attacks on Obamacare’s plan to change Medicare for current seniors and made a positive case for reforming the program for Americans under the age of 55. Ryan warned that Obamacare installed a board of bureaucrats that will “cut Medicare in ways that will lead to denied care for current seniors.” And he framed his case for reform in terms of family values -— in terms of his own obligation to protect Medicare as it is today for his mother, and to reform it in his generation so that his children will benefit from a social safety net and a debt-free nation…

Ryan explained that “in order to make sure we can guarantee that promise for my mom’s generation for those baby boomers retiring every day, we must reform it for my generation. To save it for this generation, you have to reform it for my generation, so it doesn’t go bankrupt when we want to retire.”…

And what did “Boston”—i.e., Romney headquarters—think of the event? One source said, “‘Boston’ was nervous early this morning. They watched it on TV. At first they were relieved. Then they were excited.”

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That’s the genius of Romney’s vice-presidential pick: It explicitly invites Americans to “do the right thing.” Insofar as he’s known to the electorate at all, Paul Ryan is the man with the plan — the guy who understands that multi-trillion-dollar spendaholic government cannot continue. On that subject, Obama is the man with no plan, and no plans to get any plan. Yet the mere selection of Ryan has already improved the quality of the Obama campaign: Two weeks ago, they were denouncing Romney for killing a woman by cunningly giving her cancer five years after laying off her husband. Now they’re denouncing Ryan for killing off Medicare. The former is the opening scene from the straight-to-video Carcinogenic Zombie Mormon Venture Capitalist Apocalypse; the latter has a very very teensy-weensy gossamer thread of connection to the issues facing the United States. So we should congratulate the Democrats on a modest re-acquaintance with reality. With Ryan on the ticket, the central question facing America can’t be ducked…

For the record, Obama has already made $716 billion in Medicare cuts to pay for Obamacare. That’s three-quarters of a trillion. The German chancellor, Angela Merkel, was in Ottawa last week asking Her Majesty’s Canadian Government to chip in for the euro-zone bailout. The euro zone includes some of the richest nations in history, but it’s still not enough. And the entire euro-zone bailout is $450 billion — or a little over half the cost of the first Obama stimulus. Under Obama’s no-plan plan, there’s not enough money on the planet.

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Republican strategists believe that there is really only one way to win the Medicare message wars: mount a bruising offense and attack Democrats for their own actions surrounding the popular federal health care program for senior citizens…

“It caught the Democrats a little off-guard that the fight’s being taken to them on an issue that they thought they’d just play defense on,” Stutzman said. “I just think this thing is really smart on a lot of levels that are not being appreciated: bringing up the issue now because it’s going to be brought up anyway, litigate it and win it now or at least fight it to a draw — which I’m absolutely convinced they can do — and that returns the October debate to jobs and the economy and now you’re back to a referendum on the incumbent.”…

Ultimately, though, the endgame for the Romney team on Medicare is to use the issue to move the discussion back to jobs and the economy, which is where the campaign wants the focus to be heading into Election Day. That isn’t an argument, however, that fits neatly into a soudbite.

“Romney can win this argument, but not until he finds a way to shift it back to the economy,” said Dan Schnur, director of the Jesse M. Unruh Institute of Politics at the University of Southern California and a veteran GOP strategist. “There are connectors between Medicare and deficits and economic growth.”

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If the past week has been any indication, the Democrats are not well prepared to deal with this strategy. I doubt they wanted to spend a week explaining why and how they cut Medicare for current seniors while still failing to avert the program’s future collapse. They’re still struggling to explain that, and with their first few excuses — we didn’t do it, Ryan did it too, they’re not real cuts, and seniors don’t really need those benefits we cut — mostly fallen by the wayside in a matter of days, they have turned to abject double counting, insisting that even though they spent the money elsewhere (on Obamacare), their Medicare cuts nonetheless increase the future solvency of the Medicare program…

The longer they flail, the less likely the Democrats are to be able to effectively bring up Medicare themselves in this election season, and the more likely Romney is to keep voters focused on the economy in the fall—and therefore focused on what they like least about the incumbent president. It’s easy to see what Romney will be running on in September and October. But what will Obama be running on?

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“Like a lot of Americans, when I think about Medicare, it’s not just a program,” Ryan told the mostly-elderly crowd at The Villages, a central Florida retirement community that is billed as the world’s largest. “It’s what my mom relies on. It’s what my grandma had.”…

“Medicare was there for our family, for my grandma, when we needed it then, and Medicare is there for my mom while she needs that now, and we need to keep that guaranteed,” the 42-year-old House Budget Committee chairman said, describing the experience of being one of the primary caregivers for his grandmother, who suffered from advanced Alzheimer’s.

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Obama expressed some artificial bemusement that the GOP ticket has focused on in recent days on Medicare, with Romney using a whiteboard as a prop Friday in South Carolina and Ryan stumping Saturday with his mother in The Villages retirement community in Florida.

“You’d think they’d avoid talking about Medicare, given the fact that both of them have proposed to voucherize the Medicare system,” Obama said. I guess they figured the best defense is playing on offense.”…

“Their plan would put Medicare on track to be ended as we know it,” he said. “It would be an entirely different plan. It would be a plan in which you could not count on health care because it would have to come out of your pocket. That’s the real difference between our plans on Medicare. That’s the choice in this election and that’s why I’m running for a second term as president.”

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R&R!

Electrongod on August 18, 2012 at 9:17 PM

Moms approve.

Electrongod on August 18, 2012 at 9:18 PM

Obama has horrible messaging on healthcare. Just terrible.

libfreeordie on August 18, 2012 at 9:19 PM

So Does Julia..

Electrongod on August 18, 2012 at 9:19 PM

Obama has horrible messaging on healthcare. Just terrible.

libfreeordie on August 18, 2012 at 9:19 PM

Probably because healthcare under Obama is just terrible..

Electrongod on August 18, 2012 at 9:19 PM

At first they were relieved. Then they were excited

Isn’t that suppose to work the other way around? Oh, I’m sorry, I was thinking of something else.

VorDaj on August 18, 2012 at 9:21 PM

who suffered from advanced Alzheimer’s.

Does every thread at hotgas have to be about Biden?

VorDaj on August 18, 2012 at 9:22 PM

“Their plan would put Medicare on track to be ended as we know it,” he said. “It would be an entirely different plan. It would be a plan in which you could not count on health care because it would have to come out of your pocket. That’s the real difference between our plans on Medicare. That’s the choice in this election and that’s why I’m running for a second term as president.”

If not your own pocket….
Then Who’s pocket?

Who pays for Medicare? Anyone?

Electrongod on August 18, 2012 at 9:23 PM

Electrongod
Check out alcohol thread, something is up with key west reader ……..

angrymike on August 18, 2012 at 9:23 PM

But what will Obama be running on?

Obama has corruption in the coop, hate on the hoof, taqiyya on the tongue and bats in the belfry — that’s his campaign strategy.

VorDaj on August 18, 2012 at 9:23 PM

Probably because healthcare under Obama is just terrible..

Electrongod on August 18, 2012 at 9:19 PM

1. The vast majority of the bill, i.e. the part conservatives claim would ruin the world, hasn’t gone into effect yet. So its a little bit tough to blame the problems of the American healthcare system on things that haven’t happened yet.

2. There’s a reason why both Hillary and Obama were supremely popular in 2008 and why either one could’ve won that election. They had a powerful message that the American healthcare system was broken. That’s before the passage of Obamacare. The polling on the issue from about 2006 to the moment the bill was passed was that the American healthcare system needed fundamental reform. Both sides agreed with that. So to act like Barack Obama invented the challenges health consumers face today is either massively stupid or dishonest.

3. Since its Quote of the Day I’m going to give the classical music lovers a little treat.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJLO89EOAoY

libfreeordie on August 18, 2012 at 9:24 PM

“Their plan would put Medicare on track to be ended as we know it,”

Exactly what needs to happen

Rio Linda Refugee on August 18, 2012 at 9:24 PM

I love how the idiot libs still think it’s Obama’s messaging not the message itself that’s the problem.

Dark Star on August 18, 2012 at 9:26 PM

Obama expressed some artificial bemusement

But then everything about Obama is artificial.

VorDaj on August 18, 2012 at 9:26 PM

Nice sleeves on that shirt

txmomof6 on August 18, 2012 at 9:27 PM

I wonder of libfree gets paid to be such an Obama shill.

wargamer6 on August 18, 2012 at 9:28 PM

Paul Ryan and his mom take the stage at The Villages in FL #decision2012 http://instagr.am/p/OeQnfpTAl7/

https://twitter.com/AlexNBCNews/status/236832129311457280

canopfor on August 18, 2012 at 9:28 PM

Obama is getting his butt kicked. Hard.

John the Libertarian on August 18, 2012 at 9:29 PM

Electrongod
Check out alcohol thread, something is up with key west reader ……..

angrymike on August 18, 2012 at 9:23 PM

OK

Electrongod on August 18, 2012 at 9:30 PM

Talk more about how govt kills medical efficiency. Our plan puts free enterprise front and center to spur major cost reductions and quality improvements. Show how the govt’s involvement takes a wrecking ball to effective and efficient medical care.

anotherJoe on August 18, 2012 at 9:31 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJLO89EOAoY

libfreeordie on August 18, 2012 at 9:24 PM

Beautiful.

John the Libertarian on August 18, 2012 at 9:31 PM

Probably because healthcare under Obama is just terrible..

Electrongod on August 18, 2012 at 9:19 PM

This!

22044 on August 18, 2012 at 9:32 PM

libfreeordie on August 18, 2012 at 9:24 PM

Messaging…

Or lack of…

Healthcare today is even more broken then it was in 2006…
There are now so many uncertainties..

Electrongod on August 18, 2012 at 9:32 PM

Aaaaawwwwwwww…:)

burrata on August 18, 2012 at 9:33 PM

angrymike on August 18, 2012 at 9:23 PM

Mike, any word on what’s going on with KWR?

thatsafactjack on August 18, 2012 at 9:33 PM

His speech was fantastic and his mom is just awesome.

I think Ryan is going to be one of those VP’s that shreds the other ticket while flashing that boyish smile.

gophergirl on August 18, 2012 at 9:34 PM

Mike, any word on what’s going on with KWR?

thatsafactjack on August 18, 2012 at 9:33 PM

Looks like a couple people called the sheriff and they are going to check on her.

gophergirl on August 18, 2012 at 9:34 PM

Republican strategists believe that there is really only one way to win the Medicare message wars: mount a bruising offense and attack Democrats for their own actions surrounding the popular federal health care program for senior citizens…

Exactly right. It was Obama and Democrats that decided to loot $716B from the present system to finance Obamacare. Why shouldn’t Republicans make that point clear?

But the really fun part of all this is that this time last week the Dems were high-fiving one another and thinking that naming Ryan as the VP nominee was going to help them. I’m not sure that is how things turned out.

Happy Nomad on August 18, 2012 at 9:35 PM

The Outfield – Say It Isn’t So

Say it isn’t so, that Paul Ryan is actually being effective and fighting the demagoguery about Mediscare being parlayed by President McJugEarsSandTrapMomJeans?

the new aesthetic on August 18, 2012 at 9:36 PM

I wonder of libfree gets paid to be such an Obama shill.

wargamer6 on August 18, 2012 at 9:28 PM

Yeh it’s called a monthly welfare check.

CW on August 18, 2012 at 9:37 PM

gophergirl on August 18, 2012 at 9:34 PM

Thanks, GG. I’ll keep checking the ethanol thread and this one. Hoping all is well.

thatsafactjack on August 18, 2012 at 9:38 PM

Jackie
sheriff is on the way, gotta wait an hour to call back…….

angrymike on August 18, 2012 at 9:40 PM

I think Ryan is going to be one of those VP’s that shreds the other ticket while flashing that boyish smile.

gophergirl on August 18, 2012 at 9:34 PM

..you just know that there’s a million grannies out there who just swooning over that “nice young man”.

It is blindingly brilliant, this attack on Obama on what was the perceived weakness of the GOP ticket. Kinda like parachuting into Berlin on 6 June 1944 instead of landing at Normandy.

And this ain’t gonna be no Market Garden, either!

The War Planner on August 18, 2012 at 9:40 PM

Jackie
sheriff is on the way, gotta wait an hour to call back…….

angrymike on August 18, 2012 at 9:40 PM

Mike, please keep us posted. we are all on pins and needles here.

The War Planner on August 18, 2012 at 9:42 PM

The War Planner on August 18, 2012 at 9:40 PM

I know they’ve totally turned this around on them. I never thought in a million years Mitt would be doing a whiteboard presentation on Medicare and Ryan would be in Florida of all places talking about it.

I’m so totally impatient for the debates. October is going to be so fun!

gophergirl on August 18, 2012 at 9:43 PM

V.P. Candidate Paul Ryan Speaks to Retirees in Florida
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Washington, DC
Saturday, August 18, 2012
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Republican Vice Presidential candidate Paul Ryan will spoke at a retirement community in Florida, Saturday.
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Ryan was accompanied by his mother, Elizabeth “Betty” Ryan Douglas, when he speaks at The Villages, the world’s largest retirement community. His mother lives in Florida for part of the year and spend the rest of her time in Wisconsin.

During his speech, Ryan emphasized that his plan for Medicare would leave health care benefits in place for current seniors and anyone over the age of 55. He said that his generation would see reforms to prevent the program from going bankrupt. He said that the plan that he and Republican Presidential Candidate Mitt Romney support originated in the Clinton White House and was based on a choice between the traditional Medicare program and a voucher for private insurance.

The community is considered a Republican stronghold. A Sarah Palin rally at The Villages in 2008 drew a crowd of 30,000 to 60,000 supporters. Paul Ryan will likely focus on how his plan to reform Medicare will benefit current recipients, an issue the Obama campaign has focused on since the V.P. pick was announced.

This is the first time the Wisconsin Congressman has campaigned in Florida since being named as the Republican Vice Presidential candidate. Mitt Romney campaigned at The Villages in January.

Updated: 9 hr., 15 min. ago
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VIDEO:(35:41)

http://www.c-span.org/Campaign2012/Events/VP-Candidate-Paul-Ryan-Speaks-to-Retirees-in-Florida/10737433225-1/

canopfor on August 18, 2012 at 9:43 PM

This is strange. Prayers. Didn’t she tell us she has cancer not too long ago?

wolly4321 on August 18, 2012 at 9:44 PM

Yeh it’s called a monthly welfare check.

CW on August 18, 2012 at 9:37 PM

You know what the most unfortunate thing about you is? You have absolutely no personality what. so. ever. You have one setting. I don’t think I’ve ever seen you crack a joke, or even be the slightest bit light hearted. And you have the same material all the time.

-Welfare
-pathetic
-some version of you’re a bad person

*rinse and repeat*

Could you at least *try* and be a human being every now and then?

libfreeordie on August 18, 2012 at 9:44 PM

Pambi and I think Lanceman called, they are on the alcohol thread.

angrymike on August 18, 2012 at 9:45 PM

Jackie
sheriff is on the way, gotta wait an hour to call back…….

angrymike on August 18, 2012 at 9:40 PM

angrymike:Thank-you for an/the update:)

canopfor on August 18, 2012 at 9:45 PM

The War Planner on August 18, 2012 at 9:42 PM

Everyone pray!

MontanaMmmm on August 18, 2012 at 9:45 PM

Now keep attacking on that same two points until Florida is ours and there are no undecides left, then move to the economy and jobs while you continue to scare the hell out of older Americans.

1) 716 billion RAID on Medicare, and

2) IPAB Death Panels ramping up to deny care to older Americans.

ATTACK! ATTACK! ATTACK!

Thrust the bayonet again and again until they stop moving.

Be strong and relentless…focused and undaunted.

Do not take a break until after the Marxist concedes and the election is called.

Do not look back.

KirknBurker on August 18, 2012 at 9:46 PM

This is strange. Prayers. Didn’t she tell us she has cancer not too long ago?

wolly4321 on August 18, 2012 at 9:44 PM

Yes…

Lung Cancer…If I remember..

Electrongod on August 18, 2012 at 9:46 PM

Obama has horrible messaging on healthcarewas never qualified to be President, much less a crack dealer.

libfreeordie on August 18, 2012 at 9:19 PM

Lanceman on August 18, 2012 at 9:46 PM

The OTHER aspect of going on offense on Medicare is the effect down ticket in the Senaatorial, Congressional, Gubernetorial and other races.

A lot of Democrats who planned on politely distancing themselves from Obama (What convention?) for the next 80 days have suddenly found themselves having to answer for their role in robbing Medicare to pay for Obamacare.

Which ties them back to having to answer for ObamaTax – and the effects it will have on current health coverage by employers and hiring/growth.

Which leads them back to having to explain the miserable economic performance of the last four years and the permanent disappearance of millions of private sector American jobs – which the Democrats have been lackadaisical in addressing.

Would you want to be a Democratic incumbent running for reelection after the way the past week has unfolded?

Nope, me neither.

My personal belief is Romney interviewed the potential VP’s by asking them, among other things, the following question:

“How would you conduct the campaign this fall if you were in my shoes?”

I think only one person had an outstanding answer to that question. No deferring to Romney or his staff, no hem-hawwing, no bluster – just an already well thought out plan of attack which threw the “Establishment” ‘Play-it-safe’ approach out the window and won the day with a former CEO looking for a rising star.

I am sure the current path is not Ryan’s approach down the line – but I am also sure NO ONE eight days ago expected the announcement of the VP to turn the race around 180 degrees back to the big picture problems the country is facing.

PolAgnostic on August 18, 2012 at 9:47 PM

Obama has horrible messaging on healthcare. Just terrible.

libfreeordie on August 18, 2012 at 9:19 PM

…why don’t you help him out…before the syphilis symptoms completely envelop your cells!

KOOLAID2 on August 18, 2012 at 9:47 PM

Could you at least *try* and be a human being every now and then?

libfreeordie on August 18, 2012 at 9:44 PM

Are you crr6? Seriously.

Lanceman on August 18, 2012 at 9:47 PM

On that subject, Obama is the man with no plan, and no plans to get any plan. Yet the mere selection of Ryan has already improved the quality of the Obama campaign: Two weeks ago, they were denouncing Romney for killing a woman by cunningly giving her cancer five years after laying off her husband. Now they’re denouncing Ryan for killing off Medicare.

Also, just look at what Hussein has been forced to do about Biden, he is thinking of ways to eliminate him now .
Ryan rocks !!!

burrata on August 18, 2012 at 9:47 PM

angrymike on August 18, 2012 at 9:40 PM

Hoping for the best, Mike. Thanks.

thatsafactjack on August 18, 2012 at 9:48 PM

I know they’ve totally turned this around on them. I never thought in a million years Mitt would be doing a whiteboard presentation on Medicare and Ryan would be in Florida of all places talking about it.

I’m so totally impatient for the debates. October is going to be so fun!

gophergirl on August 18, 2012 at 9:43 PM

I knew. I knew right when I found out the Obamacare took 500 billion out of Medicare.

I said out loud, there is your path to victory in Florida.

Where was I wrong? I had ZERO faith in the Romney campaign taking advantage of it.

I’m glad I was wrong on that.

KirknBurker on August 18, 2012 at 9:49 PM

Exactly right. It was Obama and Democrats that decided to loot $716B from the present system to finance Obamacare. Why shouldn’t Republicans make that point clear?

Couple of reasons:

Ryan and Romney have both in the past endorsed the exact reform to medicare that Obamacare proposed, except that their plan was to turn the system into a voucher program. At the very least Obama’s shifting of resources keeps things in the government’s hands (which is what medicare recipients themselves claim they want) it only makes necessary alterations to future payouts, particularly on Medicare Advantage. In other words, the Romney campaign is being dishonest, and they know it. Frankly, I am amazed that the media isn’t pulling a 2004 and allowing these lies to go un-challenged. Seniors weren’t *that* big of Obama supporters anyway and they’re probably less likely to believe it when the media points out Romney-Ryan lies. Seniors already hated Obamacare and they already believed Obama had robbed it. This is about one thing only. Turn out. Which is what it always was about. We know the plan, lets see what happens.

libfreeordie on August 18, 2012 at 9:50 PM

Beautiful.

John the Libertarian on August 18, 2012 at 9:31 PM

Two and a half minutes of heaven.

libfreeordie on August 18, 2012 at 9:51 PM

NEW! Romney’s Weekly Podcast:
Romney/Ryan Plan Preserves & Protects Medicare
August 18, 2012 – 3:55 PM
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Something new!

Starting today, Mitt Romney will be airing weekly podcasts. Great idea!

Today’s message is about President Obama’s cuts to Medicare and Romney’s own plan to protect the commitment made to current seniors.

• Listen to the podcast here.
(A Lot More…..)
==================

http://mittromneycentral.com/

canopfor on August 18, 2012 at 9:52 PM

Where was I wrong? I had ZERO faith in the Romney campaign taking advantage of it.

I’m glad I was wrong on that.

KirknBurker on August 18, 2012 at 9:49 PM

Me too! Ever since Ryan was chosen – this is the campaign we’ve been wanting. Attack, Attack, Attack! Intelligent discussion on conservative issues. No more “Obama is a nice guy”.

I’m kind of holding my breath expecting something to make this go away LOL!

gophergirl on August 18, 2012 at 9:52 PM

canopfor on August 18, 2012 at 9:52 PM

Awesome

gophergirl on August 18, 2012 at 9:53 PM

Winehouse stripped down……I still miss her.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPVnQjQj33M

libfreeordie on August 18, 2012 at 9:53 PM

Could you at least *try* and be a human being every now and then?

libfreeordie on August 18, 2012 at 9:44 PM

You see what you want to see.

You’re as scummy as they get. You choose to support a President and a political movement that works to take money from those that work for it. You choose to support them when they work to take away religious rights. You support those that KILL Innocent human beings. You support those that mock the hard work of the job makers. You support those that waste money left and right on things like Solyndra. You support
a side that stays silent for the same things you called Bush a murderer for.

Understand WHY I DON’T care for you at all? All you are is snark and a mooch on society. GO PHUCK YOURSELf.That is a human as it is going to get with you > YOU CANNOT EVEN STAND UP FOR HUMAN LIFE YOU PUKE. ES.

CW on August 18, 2012 at 9:54 PM

libfreeordie on August 18, 2012 at 9:53 PM

I knew there was some reason I liked you more than upper yeast side or urban defeatist.

Lanceman on August 18, 2012 at 9:55 PM

thatsafactjack on August 18, 2012 at 9:33 PM

Just wanted to say..you posted a great comment the other day I caught..scored you some B9 points.

Btw..I get the middle with Spark in the pool. ;)

bazil9 on August 18, 2012 at 9:56 PM

Ryan and Romney have both in the past endorsed the exact reform to medicare that Obamacare proposed, except that their plan was to turn the system into a voucher program.

libfreeordie on August 18, 2012 at 9:50 PM

Do you know what exact even means?? You really are pathetic. You’re a joke . Is that human enough?

You don’t like getting called out. You don’t like being called what you really are …you are scum and you are willing dupe. You leech off society.

CW on August 18, 2012 at 9:57 PM

Winehouse stripped down……I still miss her.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPVnQjQj33M

libfreeordie on August 18, 2012 at 9:53 PM

You missing some fricking loser drug addict….big surprise.

CW on August 18, 2012 at 9:58 PM

3. Since its Quote of the Day I’m going to give the classical music lovers a little treat.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJLO89EOAoY

libfreeordie on August 18, 2012 at 9:24 PM

Thank you thank you thank you. That was a splendid listen, truly so beautiful I just about turned inside out, there is just nothing as sublime as a gifted soprano.

RushBaby on August 18, 2012 at 9:58 PM

bazil9 on August 18, 2012 at 9:56 PM

Every time I see you I think

Oh Mickey you’re so fine

You’re so fine you blow my mind

Hey Mickey

Lanceman on August 18, 2012 at 9:59 PM

CW on August 18, 2012 at 9:54 PM

So…that’s a no then?

libfreeordie on August 18, 2012 at 9:59 PM

libfreeordie on August 18, 2012 at 9:50 PM

Romney didn’t raid from Medicare..
Obama did.

What Ryan wants to do is allow you a secondary path…
Private sector…
Some may not want the government in complete control..

Electrongod on August 18, 2012 at 9:59 PM

Per Libfree KILLING the most innocent human life is HUMAN.

What an insane freak. I wonder Libfree do those targets of Obama’s drone war get any of your concern…you just sit back and watch it happen but you know when Bush did it you acted all uppity.

CW on August 18, 2012 at 10:00 PM

“‘Boston’ was nervous early this morning

.

Of course they were. They’re always nervous. They’ve got a stick up their collective as*. They didn’t even want Ryan.

“Romney can win this argument, but not until he finds a way to shift it back to the economy,” said Dan Schnur, director of the Jesse M. Unruh Institute of Politics at the University of Southern California and a veteran GOP strategist.

No kidding. And how hard is that? “We won’t have a safety net in this country at all if we don’t have a vibrant economy and tax base to ensure it. With its aggressively anti-free enterprise policies, this administration has done more to undermine and weaken our social safety net than any in modern history.”

rrpjr on August 18, 2012 at 10:00 PM

Time for Svengoolie, Antwerp.

Lanceman on August 18, 2012 at 10:00 PM

So…that’s a no then?

libfreeordie on August 18, 2012 at 9:59 PM

You don’t even know what human means. Human means calling out the scum. You’re scum and I call you on it. I know you don’t like it but too effing bad.

CW on August 18, 2012 at 10:01 PM

The War Planner on August 18, 2012 at 9:42 PM

Everyone pray!

MontanaMmmm on August 18, 2012 at 9:45 PM

…HARD!

KOOLAID2 on August 18, 2012 at 10:01 PM

libfreeordie on August 18, 2012 at 9:59 PM

What could you have possibly said to get banned as the curdog?

I never found you to be too far over the top.

Not like simplesemen or narutoputz.

Lanceman on August 18, 2012 at 10:02 PM

…HARD!

KOOLAID2 on August 18, 2012 at 10:01 PM

+100

Electrongod on August 18, 2012 at 10:02 PM

Notice ALL Libfree runs for the SPECIFICS.

That is Libfree’s game. It is here for everyone to see.

CW on August 18, 2012 at 10:02 PM

bazil9 on August 18, 2012 at 9:56 PM

Good evening, B9. I TOLD Spark that I didn’t want to poach in any way. :) I’m not that kind of woman!

Thanks, I’m glad you liked whatever it was that I posted! What was the issue that I posted on that caught your eye?

thatsafactjack on August 18, 2012 at 10:02 PM

Obama has horrible messaging on healthcare. Just terrible.

libfreeordie on August 18, 2012 at 9:19 PM

It’s not the message that’s the problem, it’s the messenger.

chewmeister on August 18, 2012 at 10:02 PM

I never found you to be too far over the top.

Not like simplesemen or narutoputz.

Lanceman on August 18, 2012 at 10:02 PM

Who said he should be banned?

IS libfree’s dishonest and iq spreading?

CW on August 18, 2012 at 10:03 PM

Thank you thank you thank you. That was a splendid listen, truly so beautiful I just about turned inside out, there is just nothing as sublime as a gifted soprano.

RushBaby on August 18, 2012 at 9:58 PM

I could not agree more. And you completely described the near physical-body experience it is listening to a spectacular opera performer (and especially the one and only Leontyne Price). I’m also obsessed with this guy, Pavarotti-esque sound: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgWTT9SyN0Q

libfreeordie on August 18, 2012 at 10:03 PM

Either Sarah Palin runs third-party, or we are doomed.

Rusty Allen on August 18, 2012 at 10:03 PM

canopfor on August 18, 2012 at 9:52 PM

Awesome

gophergirl on August 18, 2012 at 9:53 PM

gophergirl:

Ryans twitter:)
===============

Paul Ryan ‏@PaulRyanVP

Excited to be joined by my mom at The Villages in Florida! http://mi.tt/NxlYXZ

https://twitter.com/PaulRyanVP

http://www.tout.com/m/dokrv9

canopfor on August 18, 2012 at 10:04 PM

Libfree YOU are scum . You don’t think supporting the mass killing of over 25 million humans since 73 is not scummy? Inhumane?

Spin on .

CW on August 18, 2012 at 10:04 PM

bazil9 on August 18, 2012 at 9:56 PM

Every time I see you I think

Oh Mickey you’re so fine

You’re so fine you blow my mind

Hey Mickey

Lanceman on August 18, 2012 at 9:59 PM


*grins*…Sparky’s going to jealously ignite!

KOOLAID2 on August 18, 2012 at 10:05 PM

The War Planner on August 18, 2012 at 9:40 PM

Yes..I agree. Big wet kisses…once they were flying over the cliff, now he is like their sweet son. :)
And he simply spoke to his audience well- MA plans..spoke their language. Nailed it.

“If you like your plan you can keep it”…uhhh no ya can’t. He gave them a simple and understandable speech. No high level industry lingo..but direct impact.
LOL..and he came across real scary..the Ryan throw granny off the cliff kinda guy right? hee hee..Libs r pissing themselves. DWS is drink vodka straight out the bottle tonight.

bazil9 on August 18, 2012 at 10:05 PM

Either Sarah Palin runs third-party, or we are doomed.

Rusty Allen on August 18, 2012 at 10:03 PM

You kidding right?

gophergirl on August 18, 2012 at 10:05 PM

So libfree why so quiet on the drone wars? You’re paid. That is quite clear.

CW on August 18, 2012 at 10:05 PM

drinking*
for you basil nazi..lol

bazil9 on August 18, 2012 at 10:06 PM

You don’t even know what human means.

I just can’t believe you’re a happy person……ah well.

libfreeordie on August 18, 2012 at 10:06 PM

Who said he should be banned?

IS libfree’s dishonest and iq spreading?

CW on August 18, 2012 at 10:03 PM

Is your opinion swayed by her? No? I didn’t think so.

I was just curious as to why she got banned as the curdog. Because we never even saw the remnants of said banning.

Lanceman on August 18, 2012 at 10:06 PM

Either Sarah Palin runs third-party, or we are doomed.

Rusty Allen on August 18, 2012 at 10:03 PM

Chuckle.

CW on August 18, 2012 at 10:06 PM

You kidding right?

gophergirl on August 18, 2012 at 10:05 PM

I hope so…

I kinda like the the path so far..

Electrongod on August 18, 2012 at 10:07 PM

Either Sarah Palin runs third-party, or we are doomed.

Rusty Allen on August 18, 2012 at 10:03 PM

Heh. Yeah. She can run with Gary Johnson.

Lanceman on August 18, 2012 at 10:07 PM

So libfree why so quiet on the drone wars? You’re paid. That is quite clear.

CW on August 18, 2012 at 10:05 PM

This may come as a shock to you, but I have other platforms to express myself politically than this board. Just because you don’t see me speaking against American imperialism (which I’ve done my entire adult life) doesn’t mean I countenance drone violence.

And for the record do you honestly not listen to any music that was produced by people who used drugs? Who can you possibly listen to? Gospel only? I love gospel but one genre forever? That doesn’t sound fun.

libfreeordie on August 18, 2012 at 10:07 PM

I just can’t believe you’re a happy person……ah well.

libfreeordie on August 18, 2012 at 10:06 PM

You just keep avoiding the reality that is you. You’re scum

You cannot even work to stop the killing of the unborn and you get all quite when Obama carries on killing people without a trial.

I note it here for all to see.

Spin on. *(FUNNY YOU keep proving me right)

CW on August 18, 2012 at 10:08 PM

RE: KWR
I’d reached her local sheriff’s office, as did FlatFoot.
They are on their way to check on her, and FF says he’s been told to call back in an hour .. Maybe 30 mins, yet to go.
I may not be back into HA after my dying battery, so look for FlatFoot updates.
Prayers, for sure.

pambi on August 18, 2012 at 10:08 PM

Been a good week for Romney-Ryan… keep pushing…

Khun Joe on August 18, 2012 at 10:08 PM

I was just curious as to why she got banned as the curdog. Because we never even saw the remnants of said banning.

Lanceman on August 18, 2012 at 10:06 PM

You got the wrong person, I’m not the notorious crr6.

libfreeordie on August 18, 2012 at 10:09 PM

Every time I see you I think

Oh Mickey you’re so fine

You’re so fine you blow my mind

Hey Mickey

Lanceman on August 18, 2012 at 9:59 PM

Well, a good reason to change me handle. I like being called B9. Its the new craze..try it.

bazil9 on August 18, 2012 at 10:09 PM

CW on August 18, 2012 at 10:08 PM

Answer with…
What if Bush did what Obama has done?

Electrongod on August 18, 2012 at 10:09 PM

I hope so…

I kinda like the the path so far..

Electrongod on August 18, 2012 at 10:07 PM

Me too – I think this ticket may surprise us all in an awesome way.

gophergirl on August 18, 2012 at 10:09 PM

This may come as a shock to you, but I have other platforms to express myself politically than this board. Just because you don’t see me speaking against American imperialism (which I’ve done my entire adult life) doesn’t mean I countenance drone violence.

And for the record do you honestly not listen to any music that was produced by people who used drugs? Who can you possibly listen to? Gospel only? I love gospel but one genre forever? That doesn’t sound fun.

libfreeordie on August 18, 2012 at 10:07 PM

Yes you support Obama and the drone wars. Sorry but I have read your posts long enough. Had you disagreed we would all know it here but you are bought.

I just made the point I am not surprised that you love the music of a drug addict. That’s all.

CW on August 18, 2012 at 10:09 PM

RE: KWR
I’d reached her local sheriff’s office, as did FlatFoot.
They are on their way to check on her, and FF says he’s been told to call back in an hour .. Maybe 30 mins, yet to go.
I may not be back into HA after my dying battery, so look for FlatFoot updates.
Prayers, for sure.

pambi on August 18, 2012 at 10:08 PM

Thnx for the update, Pambi. I’ll keep checking for news from you &/or FlatFoot.

Prayers for KWR.

GrannyDee on August 18, 2012 at 10:11 PM

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