Court rejects challenge to EPA E15 ethanol waiver

posted at 7:46 pm on August 18, 2012 by Jazz Shaw

If not predictable, this is certainly disappointing.

A federal appeals court Friday threw out a challenge by automakers and other groups to a new fuel with a higher blend of ethanol that could damage engines.

The U.S. Court of Appeals in a 2-1 decision rejected a suit brought by Alliance of Automobile Manufacturers, Global Automakers, the Grocery Manufacturers Association, the oil industry and other groups that sought to overturn the Enviromental Protection Agency’s approval of E15 -a fuel that includes 15 percent ethanol.

The EPA shouldn’t be doing too much of an end zone dance here. The court didn’t even reject the argument against the waiver on the merits of the case. They kicked it out saying that the plaintiffs didn’t have the proper standing to bring the case in the first place. (How that works is something of a mystery.) You can read the full judgement here (.pdf file) if you’d care to sort it out for yourself.

We’ve known for some time now, as demonstrated by the findings of this Coordinating Research Council study among others, that E15 causes serious problems. The same people who manufacture the engines which have to burn these modified fuels have told us that as many as 5 million cars from 2001 and beyond could have their engines damaged by the hotter running fuel. Two manufacturers are already putting labels on their gas caps warning consumers that they can’t be held responsible for what may happen if they burn the higher blend gas. Smarter Fuel Future has provided you with a helpful graphic detailing just what the real cost of E15 will be to consumers.

Fisherman and other boating enthusiasts have been receiving warnings for years regarding the damage that ethanol blends do to marine engines. There are even popular lines of products available to help protect them. And yet, absent a more successful court challenge or action by Congress, (which should be happening aaaaaaaaaaany day now…) it looks like the EPA will get their way. Their mandate to force manufacturers to accept increasing percentages of “green” fuels is going hit consumers in the pocketbook unless they are given time for the technology to keep up with the changes.


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That’s weird.

Your handle is 22044 — and the street number for the location is 2204.

O.o

FlatFoot on August 18, 2012 at 9:42 PM

I assure you – just a coincidence.

22044 on August 18, 2012 at 9:46 PM

Everyone on the QOTD is wondering what’s up, please keep ppl informed ………

angrymike on August 18, 2012 at 9:46 PM

No, what’s weird is a flatfoot calling the flatfeet!

Lanceman on August 18, 2012 at 9:43 PM

“Flatfoot” has been a slang term for Police Officer/Detective since the 1920′s.

Guess what I’ve been doing for a living for the last 26-years…

FlatFoot on August 18, 2012 at 9:46 PM

you mean carbon_f? he’s still here

John the Libertarian on August 18, 2012 at 9:44 PM

No. happy_feet Not Carbon feetsteps.

Guess what I’ve been doing for a living for the last 26-years…

FlatFoot on August 18, 2012 at 9:46 PM

:D

Lanceman on August 18, 2012 at 9:48 PM

I assure you – just a coincidence.

22044 on August 18, 2012 at 9:46 PM

Hmmmm… sure – sure. You seem defensive.

LoL

I was just pointing out the weird coincidence after you posted your ‘hope she’ll be okay’ message. I’ve been a cop for 26-years so I already have a natural tendency to ‘notice things’. Little details. Plus, I have a warped sense of humor too — so…

FlatFoot on August 18, 2012 at 9:50 PM

Flatfoot
Well I guess we know where your name came from……

angrymike on August 18, 2012 at 9:50 PM

OMG KWR get better….thank you guys for you watching out for our own….

Prayers for KWR, be well

harlekwin15 on August 18, 2012 at 9:55 PM

We love us our KWR !!

pambi on August 18, 2012 at 9:30 PM

Yes, we do. *prayers*

Fallon on August 18, 2012 at 9:37 PM

Exactly.

annoyinglittletwerp on August 18, 2012 at 9:38 PM

…thanks you guys… all of you!

KOOLAID2 on August 18, 2012 at 9:56 PM

Flatfoot
Well I guess we know where your name came from……

angrymike on August 18, 2012 at 9:50 PM

I use FlatFoot across a few commenting platforms on various sites. A lot of people don’t seem to know that ‘Flatfoot’ is slang for ‘cop’.

Sometimes when people get angry at me on the interwebs because I’m owning a discussion or – something (ie: trolling the dickens out of them) – they get all flustered and say something along the lines of, ‘Oh yeah? Well, at least I don’t have flatfeet like you! So take that! Myehhh!’

I LoL.

FlatFoot on August 18, 2012 at 9:56 PM

FlatFoot on August 18, 2012 at 9:29 PM

AMEN !!
We love us our KWR !!

pambi on August 18, 2012 at 9:30 PM

pambi:Affrimitive on that:)

canopfor on August 18, 2012 at 9:56 PM

I’ve been a cop for 26-years so I already have a natural tendency to ‘notice things’. Little details. Plus, I have a warped sense of humor too — so…

FlatFoot on August 18, 2012 at 9:50 PM

IIRC, you were the one who dug out that Obama eats dogs thing, which was hiding in plain sight …..
:O

burrata on August 18, 2012 at 9:58 PM

I was just pointing out the weird coincidence after you posted your ‘hope she’ll be okay’ message. I’ve been a cop for 26-years so I already have a natural tendency to ‘notice things’. Little details. Plus, I have a warped sense of humor too — so…

FlatFoot on August 18, 2012 at 9:50 PM

FlatFoot:You are now upgraded to Head of the USS Hot Air’s
Security Detail:)

canopfor on August 18, 2012 at 9:58 PM

Flatfoot
Yep, libtards love to start calling names, when they start losing….lol

angrymike on August 18, 2012 at 9:59 PM

OK, FlatFoot .. Allow me to let YOU be the contact/informant, re KWR, ok ??
Family just showed up, iPad’s battery’s low .. Dangitall !
I’ll see if I can crank up ye ole lappy , and git the kiddos out, quick-like .. LOL.

pambi on August 18, 2012 at 10:01 PM

IIRC, you were the one who dug out that Obama eats dogs thing, which was hiding in plain sight …..
:O

burrata on August 18, 2012 at 9:58 PM

Ha. Yup.

But Jim Treacher made it go to the moon and he’s owning it :)

FlatFoot on August 18, 2012 at 10:02 PM

Hmmmm… sure – sure. You seem defensive.

LoL

I was just pointing out the weird coincidence after you posted your ‘hope she’ll be okay’ message. I’ve been a cop for 26-years so I already have a natural tendency to ‘notice things’. Little details. Plus, I have a warped sense of humor too — so…

FlatFoot on August 18, 2012 at 9:50 PM

No worries. My handle has a meaning as well. Some people have figured it out.

22044 on August 18, 2012 at 10:02 PM

Yep, libtards love to start calling names, when they start losing….lol

angrymike on August 18, 2012 at 9:59 PM

Indeed.

muahahahahaaa

FlatFoot on August 18, 2012 at 10:05 PM

No worries. My handle has a meaning as well. Some people have figured it out.

22044 on August 18, 2012 at 10:02 PM

You’re in the Falls Church area of Virginia.

Do I win?

FlatFoot on August 18, 2012 at 10:07 PM

OK, FlatFoot .. Allow me to let YOU be the contact/informant, re KWR, ok ??
Family just showed up, iPad’s battery’s low .. Dangitall !
I’ll see if I can crank up ye ole lappy , and git the kiddos out, quick-like .. LOL.

pambi on August 18, 2012 at 10:01 PM

I can do a call back if you want me to. Do you have the call log/reference number?

FlatFoot on August 18, 2012 at 10:08 PM

You’re in the Falls Church area of Virginia.

Do I win?

FlatFoot on August 18, 2012 at 10:07 PM


Winner!

22044 on August 18, 2012 at 10:10 PM

FlatFoot on August 18, 2012 at 10:08 PM
I have the one they gave me .. Here’s mine, from TX …. 427113
Thanks .. I’ll be checking back to this thread ASAP.

pambi on August 18, 2012 at 10:13 PM

Let me put it this way – my 2012 Toyota Tacoma has, on its gas cap, a warning to not use E15.

Even though Government Motors is one of the plantiffs, they stand to gain substantially from this as one of the major players in the FlexFuel market (the only fuel system that can handle E15).

Steve Eggleston on August 18, 2012 at 10:13 PM

Anybody got an sit rep on KWR? Just joined in, worried sh!tless. God Bless her.

TXUS on August 18, 2012 at 10:15 PM

pambi on August 18, 2012 at 10:13 PM

Okay. It’s been about an hour or so — so I’m giving them a call now.

FlatFoot on August 18, 2012 at 10:15 PM

Praying for KWR and awaiting word.

indyvet on August 18, 2012 at 10:20 PM

I just got off the phone with the Sheriff’s.

They’re still at the house. So — it’s safe to assume that something must be going on since they’ve been there for awhile. But they are there on scene. The dispatcher can’t give any details though. He said, “They’re still trying to figure out what happened exactly.”

That’s it. He couldn’t say if she was fine or not :/

FlatFoot on August 18, 2012 at 10:20 PM

FlatFoot on August 18, 2012 at 10:20 PM

Praying REALLY hard!

annoyinglittletwerp on August 18, 2012 at 10:24 PM

FlatFoot on August 18, 2012 at 10:20 PM

THANKS , and I know what you’re saying.
God be with her !!

pambi on August 18, 2012 at 10:26 PM

FlatFoot on August 18, 2012 at 10:20 PM

Thanks for the update but EEEK I don’t like the sound of that.

At least they are there.

gophergirl on August 18, 2012 at 10:26 PM

TXUS on August 18, 2012 at 10:15 PM

Will you pass on the latest in QOOTD ??

pambi on August 18, 2012 at 10:27 PM

He said, “They’re still trying to figure out what happened exactly.”

That’s it. He couldn’t say if she was fine or not :/

FlatFoot on August 18, 2012 at 10:20 PM

FlatFoot:Thanks FF,ugh,waiting to hear the outcome:)

canopfor on August 18, 2012 at 10:29 PM

Here is a link to a site that lists stations that carry ethanol-free gasoline: http://pure-gas.org/index.jsp

As others have pointed out, many states do not require gas pumps to tell you whether the gas they dispense has ethanol, or if so what % of ethanol it contains.

For instance, in Minnesota ethanol-free gasoline is sold at a select few stations as “non-oxygenated” gasoline. There in no label on the gasoline that contains ethanol to identify it as such.

MidniteRambler on August 18, 2012 at 10:29 PM

My heart is sinking…

Please pray for KWR.

tom daschle concerned on August 18, 2012 at 10:30 PM

Key West Reader Update:

I did another callback to the Sheriff’s in Florida. I played the ‘professional courtesy card’. It kind’a worked.

The Sheriff Dispatcher chilled out a little bit and told me that ‘SHE’ (Key West Reader / KWR)is ‘fine’ and that the Deputies have cleared the scene — and are back in service 10-8.

All is well now, apparently.

Thank goodness.

FlatFoot on August 18, 2012 at 10:31 PM

Good job, Lanceman … Been pretty hectic here and forgot you got in on this lickedy-split, too !

pambi on August 18, 2012 at 10:33 PM

Should we move the discussion to QOTD?

22044 on August 18, 2012 at 10:33 PM

FlatFoot on August 18, 2012 at 10:31 PM
That’s encouraging !
Did they say anything about the online freakazoids ?? (us) ??? LOL

pambi on August 18, 2012 at 10:35 PM

Should we move the discussion to QOTD?

22044 on August 18, 2012 at 10:33 PM

Aye.

Let’s go over there and throw rotten tomatoes at Liefreeordie.

FlatFoot on August 18, 2012 at 10:36 PM

So relieved about KWR.

chewmeister on August 18, 2012 at 10:37 PM

That’s encouraging !
Did they say anything about the online freakazoids ?? (us) ??? LOL

pambi on August 18, 2012 at 10:35 PM

Not even a hint. But — police dispatch centers get a lot of calls related to internet postings and whatnot these days so it’s not so ‘freakazoid’ anymore. It used to be though. LoL

FlatFoot on August 18, 2012 at 10:37 PM

pambi on August 18, 2012 at 10:35 PM

Thank God she’s okay. Maybe she is on strong medications for her cancer.

KWR when you are feeling better, please come back!

mrsmwp on August 18, 2012 at 10:38 PM

Aye.

Let’s go over there and throw rotten tomatoes at Liefreeordie.

FlatFoot on August 18, 2012 at 10:36 PM

LOL! Heading over there. :)

22044 on August 18, 2012 at 10:40 PM

FlatFoot on August 18, 2012 at 10:31 PM

Thank you! KWR is a fixture on HA.

OldEnglish on August 18, 2012 at 10:40 PM

FlatFoot on August 18, 2012 at 10:37 PM

Took me at least 5+ mins to finally get a sweet 1-911 op to connect me to the local dudes.
Remind me not to count heavily on our local dudes .. LOL

pambi on August 18, 2012 at 10:45 PM

It’s all so we can then be ordered to buy the crappy Chevy En Fuego Volt.

Myron Falwell on August 18, 2012 at 10:48 PM

You guys are terrific .
Our prayers to KWR .

Lucano on August 18, 2012 at 10:51 PM

You guys going to the rescue for KWR are amazing. Thank you for the info and I pray all is well.

txmomof6 on August 18, 2012 at 11:00 PM

Damn it!

Bmore on August 18, 2012 at 11:00 PM

Just FYI, when we have something like this happen, please let us know right away — and don’t repost the personal information in subsequent comments. Thanks for the quick response on KWR’s behalf.

Ed Morrissey on August 18, 2012 at 11:07 PM

This thread is corny.

TigerPaw on August 18, 2012 at 11:08 PM

Just FYI, when we have something like this happen, please let us know right away — and don’t repost the personal information in subsequent comments. Thanks for the quick response on KWR’s behalf.

Ed Morrissey on August 18, 2012 at 11:07 PM

Ed Morrissey:Understood,Loud and Clear:)

canopfor on August 18, 2012 at 11:09 PM

Ed Morrissey on August 18, 2012 at 11:07 PM

That’s a deal, boss .. rather caught off guard, this time.
Dinna know how else to handle it, quickly.
In case of future HELP posts, what should we do, send a tip email ?
I’m serious, not snarky, honest .. Just wanna do things right.

pambi on August 18, 2012 at 11:28 PM

Just FYI, when we have something like this happen, please let us know right away — and don’t repost the personal information in subsequent comments. Thanks for the quick response on KWR’s behalf.

Ed Morrissey on August 18, 2012 at 11:07 PM

Ed will you delete KWR’s info please. Its still there on my machine.

Bmore on August 18, 2012 at 11:29 PM

Some great folks here at HA! Y’all did good! Thanks!

Bmore on August 18, 2012 at 11:30 PM

KWR, you are loved here. Please consider contacting one of us. We love you.

Bmore on August 18, 2012 at 11:40 PM

Get it, “corny”? hahaha

TigerPaw on August 18, 2012 at 11:46 PM

Sure glad I hung on to my ’91 Olds Cutlass Cierra even though it now has 471,244 miles on it. It burns anything and runs fine.

opaobie on August 19, 2012 at 12:37 AM

Conservative Educator,

I hate to be the bearer of bad news but nobody is going to pay for the damage that the government is causing. We, the taxpayers and consumers, are screwed.

sherrimae on August 19, 2012 at 12:37 AM

Bmore on August 18, 2012 at 11:30 PM

+ One Trillion and a round of Amens!!!

Cindy Munford on August 19, 2012 at 12:40 AM

+ One Trillion and a round of Amens!!!

Cindy Munford on August 19, 2012 at 12:40 AM

Yep. She is loved. The folks here are the best. ; )

Bmore on August 19, 2012 at 1:10 AM

Bmore on August 18, 2012 at 11:30 PM

+ One Trillion and a round of Amens!!!

Cindy Munford on August 19, 2012 at 12:40 AM

…Amen!…… Key…saw you on another thread at around 4:35…seemed ok …then latter!…please say Hi or just comment on the topic tomorrow morning, like you usually do on the Sunday… “Barry boo boo of the week!”…we love you Key!

KOOLAID2 on August 19, 2012 at 1:28 AM

A lot of gas here is ‘contains ethanol’. My cars will only run on premium and can apparently survive on the 10% stuff. Maybe.

Corn is for livestock ffs.

CorporatePiggy on August 19, 2012 at 2:07 AM

KOOLAID2 on August 19, 2012 at 1:28 AM

…well I was close…it was the Biteme Biden thread at 4:33 PM.

KOOLAID2 on August 19, 2012 at 2:14 AM

Every senior leveled official at the EPA should be fired. The question becomes, will this change if Romney is elected President?

jjnco73 on August 19, 2012 at 7:21 AM

Just curious, how large is the EPA military?… How many rounds of amunition have they contracted for in the last year?

onomo on August 19, 2012 at 7:23 AM

Just more evidence of the government telling you what to think and do according to the government who thinks they know all and will mandate laws to get their way. The EPA is a government within our government.

mixplix on August 19, 2012 at 7:51 AM

They want to destroy the internal combustion engine so all we have left is the government electric car and bikes.

JellyToast on August 19, 2012 at 8:31 AM

Wouldn’t it be great if these regulatory agencies would regulate themselves out of business instead of regulating the American people into poverty. I think the courts could use with some reform too. It seems that “We the People” have become “We the Enemy”. While the true enemies are becoming the protectors.

savage24 on August 19, 2012 at 12:27 PM

KWR, you are loved here. Please consider contacting one of us. We love you.

Bmore on August 18, 2012 at 11:40 PM

Understatement of HA.

KWR, fight very hard. Much love and respect.

Schadenfreude on August 19, 2012 at 1:20 PM

ll those Midwestern farmers – and their representatives in the House and Senate – rail against “Big Government,” except when it’s doing favors for them.

canopfor on August 18, 2012 at 8:58 PM

I’ve been saying all along my neighbor ‘conservative’ farmers are nothing but wh0re$ for their Fed $$$$.

. Today, fewer than one acre in four in America has a “good” crop or better. The rest of the crop is “poor” … or worse.

canopfor on August 18, 2012 at 9:05 PM

These guys get paid by the acre, whether the crop makes it or not. And THEN they have federal crop insurance.
Folks, the crop insurance game is really the scam here. Even though they say they’re phasing out crop cyclical payments, the crop insurance industry is just going to replace that.
My bro in law in a crop insurance adjuster, so many of my neighbors are farmers, I see this stuff close up.
Guys from out E. River ND country are coming way out here to SW ND to farm land that should be in pasture. They hire out everything: planting, spraying, harvesting, etc. In fact, they only come when harvest happens. They don’t even check on the stuff before harvest.
However, I will say corn here in ND is all advocated as feed grade. So if the crop fails, I actually don’t think they can get insurance $$ from it. But they are getting gov payments for planting it.
idk if this is true, but a big farmer from E ND said the govt is paying him $600/acre to plant corn, whether it survives or not. Now I find this unbelievable. Sounds ridiculous to me knowing crop payments.
But I bet it’s high.
People out here who are rotten farmers are raking in the dough enough that they can go to town & buy brand new tractors & combines etc.
This equipment costs hundreds of thousands of dollars.
Brand new grain bins going up all over here.
Guys are all getting brand new semi trucks.
Folks, something is going on.

the other cool thing about ethanol is that it absorbs and holds water until it saturates, at which point all the water is solution separates and falls to the bottom of your tank, where then you engine gets a big gulp of water…and stops running cause water isn’t flammable at 12 atmospheres.
orbitalair on August 18, 2012 at 9:15 PM

Algae grows in the water layer in diesel fuel tanks.
So when my hubby goes to fuel up our 2000 Peterbuilt somewhere, he can get a bunch of algae with it & then we spend hundreds of dollars trying to get rid of it in the tank bcs it clogs up all the various filters & it won’t run right. So you’re buying tons of fuel additive trying to kill it.
This is ALL bcs of the Federal Govt’s meddling.

Badger40 on August 19, 2012 at 1:20 PM

Algae grows in the water layer in diesel fuel tanks.
So when my hubby goes to fuel up our 2000 Peterbuilt somewhere, he can get a bunch of algae with it & then we spend hundreds of dollars trying to get rid of it in the tank bcs it clogs up all the various filters & it won’t run right. So you’re buying tons of fuel additive trying to kill it.
This is ALL bcs of the Federal Govt’s meddling.

Badger40 on August 19, 2012 at 1:20 PM

I know this isn’t an ethanol issue, but part of this fuel mandate BS we have to put up with. IT’s bcs they have taken the sulfur out of diesel. It allows the water to separate & the algae now has a place to grow.
Diesel fuels industry. And these things have really caused the costs of trucking to skyrocket.
So of course, goods have also gone up.
EPA mandates do more harm than good.
This BS about getting rid of the EPA will kill us all is CRAP.

Badger40 on August 19, 2012 at 1:24 PM

Thank you Ed. : ) You are a good man.

Bmore on August 19, 2012 at 4:20 PM

Those judges should be dragged out of their court rooms and strung up from the nearest lamp posts. It is time to take back our country from government tyranny.

woodNfish on August 19, 2012 at 9:30 PM

ABOLISH THE EPA ! ! !
.
.
(was that overly immature of me to go all “BOLD CAPS” with that?)

listens2glenn on August 19, 2012 at 9:35 PM

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