Too good to check: Hillary turned down VP slot … two weeks ago

posted at 9:21 am on August 17, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

Did Hillary Clinton turn down the opportunity to replace Joe Biden as soon as two weeks ago in a White House lunch with Valerie Jarrett?  Ed Klein, author of “The Amateur,” says his sources in the Hillary camp say it’s true in an appearance last night on CNBC with Larry Kudlow.  Not only did she turn Obama down, but according to Klein, Obama’s “socialistic policies” are part of the reason the presumed 2016 frontrunner wants to maintain her distance from the campaign:

“Up until just a couple of weeks ago the White House was putting out feelers to see if Hillary would accept the vice-presidential nod and replace Joe Biden,” Klein said. “Bill Clinton was, I’m told, urging his wife to accept the number two slot. He saw this as a great launching pad for her for running in 2016.”

“But then Hillary had lunch in the White House a couple of weeks ago with Valerie Jarrett — Michelle [Obama]’s best friend, senior adviser to both the first lady and the president … and she told Valerie that she would not accept the vice president’s spot. The lunch was ostensibly about other matters, but it came up. … Hillary felt burned out after four years as Secretary of State. But I’m told there were more important reasons for her not accepting.”

Those reasons, Klein explained, involve the former first lady being put in positions that would make her vulnerable if she should decide to run for president four years from now.

“She felt that if she were on the ticket with Obama and he lost, she would be tarred as a loser when she tried to run in 2016,” Klein said. “On the other hand, if she was on the ticket and he won, and he continued his far left-wing socialistic policies, she’d have to defend those policies when she ran in 2016.”

Valerie Jarrett was supposedly the intermediary, because according to Klein, Obama doesn’t trust Bill Clinton.  Had Obama himself extended the offer, Klein’s sources say that Obama believes his Democratic predecessor would have leaked it to make him look desperate.  Aren’t four references to Seamus The Roof Riding Dog enough to leave that impression as it is?  Besides, someone’s leaking it if Klein’s sources are accurate.

Speaking of desperate, guess who’s getting his second vacation this month?

Vice President Joe Biden is going home to Delaware.

The updated White House calendar for Aug. 17 reports that “in the morning, the Vice President will meet with senior advisers. Later, the Vice President will be in Wilmington, Delaware.”

“There are no public events scheduled,” said the 5:36 p.m. White House announcement, titled “Daily Guidance for the Vice President.” …

A review of Biden’s schedule for the last several weeks shows that he’s been kept on a very short chain, and has spent many days in Delaware, rather than on the campaign trail or even at the Vice-President’s mansion in D.C.

On the week starting Monday Aug 6, he had no campaign events scheduled. In the prior week, he was scheduled to attend only three campaign events. In the prior week, starting Monday July 23, he attend a firefighters’ convention in Palm Beach, Fla., a police convention in Philadelphia, and an one additional “campaign event” in Washington D.C.

Kudlow asks Klein the rhetorical question that’s been on everyone’s mind since last week: Can you imagine the Ryan-Biden debate coming up?  Unfortunately for the White House, everyone can imagine what the outcome will be, at least.  Sending Sheriff Joe into the Obama hoosegow for a week won’t change that, although it will finally give the media an opportunity to start talking about Paul Ryan.  Timothy Dalrymple thinks it’s already too late to win the “heartbeat away” contest after Biden’s last week on the campaign trail:

Anyone else wondering why so many Romney surrogates and conservative pundits are jumping into the attack against Biden?  Sarah Palin, Rudy Giuliani, John McCain, all suggesting that Obama should abandon Biden.  They don’t actually want him to replace Biden with Hillary, of course; that would make for a much stronger Dem ticket.  But, knowing that Obama won’t abandon Biden, they argue that he should, in order to make the point that Biden is unfit to be Vice President. …

I’m not knocking it.  It’s all justified.  Ryan is a fantastic choice for VP, and the thought of President Biden is truly frightening.  But these criticisms of Biden seem coordinated and intended to place the emphasis on Obama’s dubious choice for Vice President, intended to make the argument that you should be much more afraid of a President Biden than a President Ryan.  The choice of the VP candidate is important in part because it speaks to the ability of the candidate for the Presidency to make sound decisions.  Before the Dems even got a chance to attack Ryan, Republicans were able to turn the current Vice President into Exhibit A in the argument against Obama’s sound judgment.

In other words, just when the Dems wanted to make the argument, “Do you really want Rep. Ryan a heartbeat away from the Presidency?” Republicans were able to make an even stronger argument, “Do you really want Joe Biden a heartbeat away from the Presidency?”  Brilliant.

Brilliant, or just incredibly fortunate? Perhaps a little of both.

Update: I’m skeptical about whether this took place, and whether Obama can even make a switch at all at this point. But I don’t think Hillary would be the best choice anyway. He’d be better off trying to convince Evan Bayh or even Michael Bloomberg to sign on. I’m not sure either man would want the job, but Bayh isn’t doing anything else at the moment. And Bayh would have been a better choice in 2008, too.


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Who is the future of the Democrat Party?

Doughboy on August 17, 2012 at 9:56 AM

Stephanie Cutter, of course!

Sad, isn’t it?

Del Dolemonte on August 17, 2012 at 10:03 AM

One day, maybe will learn if this was true or not,

but for now… the point is moat, as we have learned

Valerie Jarret is the only REAL VP for Ocommie.

FlaMurph on August 17, 2012 at 10:03 AM

Who is the Left’s Paul Ryan? Who is as articulate, factual, and influential?

shuzilla on August 17, 2012 at 9:59 AM

I believe that would be Alan Grayson.

/s

Droopy on August 17, 2012 at 10:04 AM

Is the theme music at the DNC Convention going to be “Unchained Melody” by the Righteous Brothers??????

/iTunes $0.99

ted c on August 17, 2012 at 10:01 AM

Nah, “Chain of Fools” by Aretha Franklin.

Flora Duh on August 17, 2012 at 10:05 AM

Supergenious chris vanholland and war hero kerry are prepping slojoe for the debate…

What a slaughter awaits. Lol!

wolly4321 on August 17, 2012 at 10:05 AM

Not only did she turn Obama down, but according to Klein, Obama’s “socialistic policies” are part of the reason the presumed 2016 frontrunner wants to maintain her distance from the campaign:

Some Rats are abandoning Team Socialism’s sinking ship.

farsighted on August 17, 2012 at 10:05 AM

“Bill Clinton was, I’m told, urging his wife to accept the number two slot. He saw this as a great launching pad for her for running in 2016.”

Bill Clinton hates Obama’s guts. I seriously doubt that he would want her to be #2 in what could possibly be the end of Obama in the White House, and Team Obama would blame Hillary if they lost.

William Teach on August 17, 2012 at 10:06 AM

This is my favorite line:

After having these letters called to my attention I checked into them, and they were treated as constituent service requests in the same way matters involving Social Security or Veterans Affairs are handled,” Ryan said in a statement. “This is why I didn’t recall the letters earlier. But they should have been handled differently, and I take responsibility for that.
“Regardless, it’s clear that the Obama stimulus did nothing to stimulate the economy, and now the President is asking to do it all over again.”

So the stimulus whiz kid couldn’t “remember” the stimulus money he requested for his constituents. Here’s a question if the stiumulus funds did “nothing” to keep the economy afloat during the housing crash why on earth would Ryan request the funds for energy projects?

Well it makes sense, considering the Ryan family business was built on government contracts. I guess when you’re handed down wealth earned from government contracts you start to think that “you built that.” Or something.

http://www.salon.com/2012/08/14/paul_ryan_didnt_build_that/singleton/

libfreeordie on August 17, 2012 at 10:07 AM

but if she said “tarred as a loser” could that have been dialectically misconstrued either as “having black sticky stuff smeared on your body that causes you to lose a race” or, conversely, “tarred as in ‘t-i-r-e-das a loser” and the quote was just lost in translation.???

here I’ll use it in a sentence, “I ain’t in no ways taaarrred” (as a loser)”—translation, I’m not running as your VP because I want to run in 2016 and associating my pantsuit with your sorry ass won’t help that.

Now, if she meant taaaaarrred as t–i-r-e-d, then she, of course would’ve jumped at the chance of being VP, because she meant that she’s ready to jump feet first onto this losing ticket.

/translations.

ted c on August 17, 2012 at 10:07 AM

And to top it off, Ryan is a bold-faced liar. Jake Tapper, HA favorite reporter lowers the boom:
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/08/presented-with-letters-ryan-admits-requesting-stimulus-cash/

The ease and calm Ryan told this lie is downright socio-scary.

libfreeordie on August 17, 2012 at 9:59 AM

HAHHAHAHHAHHHAHAHHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHA!!!! Oh wait, what
are you saying?? Oh, HAHHAHHAHAHHAHAHHHAHAHHAHA!!!!!!!!

Yeah, it is REALLY SCARY ISN’T IT??? PLEASE. Your post is
downright pathetic.

ToddPA on August 17, 2012 at 10:07 AM

Bill Clinton hates Obama’s guts.

William Teach on August 17, 2012 at 10:06 AM

Bill provided some of the most entertaining moments in the 2008 election, that’s for sure.

tdpwells on August 17, 2012 at 10:08 AM

Personally, I think the choice of Biden as VP is probably the one truly brilliant decision BO has made since he decided to run for president.

Yes, Joe is a dumbass and yes Joe is prone to making stupid comments (BO is “clean”, Iowa students test better than DC because they have less black kids, etc.). But those are small prices to pay when you consider what he brings to the table: BO picked the one guy (and I think that is literally the one guy) who was so bad, so incompetent, so inept that even the most ardent extremist (be it white supremacist, terrorist, etc.) would think twice before even considering taking BO out. The fear of a President Joe protects BO.

OrbeaRider66 on August 17, 2012 at 10:08 AM

How desperate is Barky that he has to beg the woman he vilified in 2008 to come and save him from himself.

Sweet justice, you slack-jawed loser.

Bishop on August 17, 2012 at 9:32 AM

karma. Hillary dumps him on his head. Next up, he suffers a massive dog bite.

justice/

ted c on August 17, 2012 at 10:09 AM

Nah, “Chain of Fools” by Aretha Franklin.

Flora Duh on August 17, 2012 at 10:05 AM

That song rocks. Same guitar work as Susie Q by CCR.

ToddPA on August 17, 2012 at 10:09 AM

Does anyone honsestly think Hillary will run for president? She’ll be 69 years old on Election Day, 2016.

Hillary’s 69 will not look like Reagan’s. (There, I said it.) Therefore I doubt she’d be elected even if she DOES run. The SoS job aged her considerably.

Grace_is_sufficient on August 17, 2012 at 10:09 AM

And to top it off, Ryan is a bold-faced liar. Jake Tapper, HA favorite reporter lowers the boom:
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/08/presented-with-letters-ryan-admits-requesting-stimulus-cash/

The ease and calm Ryan told this lie is downright socio-scary.

libfreeordie on August 17, 2012 at 9:59 AM

“After having these letters called to my attention I checked into them, and they were treated as constituent service requests in the same way matters involving Social Security or Veterans Affairs are handled,” Ryan said in a statement. “This is why I didn’t recall the letters earlier. But they should have been handled differently, and I take responsibility for that.

“Regardless, it’s clear that the Obama stimulus did nothing to stimulate the economy, and now the President is asking to do it all over again.”

Writing advocacy letters for constituents is not unusual or unethical if there is no quid pro quo and pretty much every congressman and senator does it as part of their constituent service.

bayview on August 17, 2012 at 10:09 AM

The ease and calm Ryan told this lie is downright socio-scary.

libfreeordie on August 17, 2012 at 9:59 AM

Well thank Gaia for you being here to lead us on the right path. I think I’ll switch my vote now. ////// <—- not enough sarc tags in the world.

tdpwells on August 17, 2012 at 10:10 AM

She’s smarter than I’ve given her credit for.

But still there’s that Ah ain’t noways taaaaaard…

Eren on August 17, 2012 at 9:36 AM

In her defence (can’t believe I’m typing that) she was reading a poem in the accent it was written. Kinda like you’d read a Twain story.

LtGenRob on August 17, 2012 at 10:10 AM

Did anyone check both Hillary’s and the White House’s schedule
to see if a meeting did in fact take place?

Amjean on August 17, 2012 at 10:10 AM

I’m skeptical about whether this took place,

I’m guessing Jarret put out some vague plausibly deniable feelers testing the waters, and possibly testing her loyalty, that Hillary! interpreted as an offer. Jarret would of course deny it.

In any event, assuming this “leak” came from the Hillary! camp, she is deliberately distancing herself from Obama. And the method rings true with how the Clinton’s operate.

farsighted on August 17, 2012 at 10:11 AM

Too good funny! to check

There.

:P

Ladysmith CulchaVulcha on August 17, 2012 at 10:12 AM

Let’s be honest here. No rational person would want Joe to be president but if he were to replace Obama and simply put his feet up on the desk it would be a huge relief to the country just to be rid of The Destroyer.

As it regards the amount of damage that Joe could cause to the Republic, let me use a horticultural analogy: Barack Obama is one of those land clearing machines that will deforest acres per hour. Joe Biden is a weed whip. One that doesn’t start.

turfmann on August 17, 2012 at 10:12 AM

They will also play up attack of Ryan’s office writing two advocacy letters to get stimulus funding for his constituents to blunt headwind generated by Ryan.

bayview on August 17, 2012 at 10:00 AM

Isn’t the later relevant? First of all, Ryan lied to interviewers multiple times when asked whether he had ever requested stimulus funds. A stupid lie considering the letters his office wrote requesting the funds. Either he isn’t in charge of his congressional office or he thinks the American people are stupid. Neither is good for your side.

And, honestly, how does the right feel about the fact that the Ryan family business has earned millions of dollars from government contracts, including at the very moment the business was founded! Clearly a large government *does* benefit many corporations and private interests, the Ryan biography is a story of the effective relationship between the state and industry. What more could liberals want from a nominee?

libfreeordie on August 17, 2012 at 10:13 AM

LiveFreeOffOthersOrDie on August 17, 2012 at 10:07 AM

Constituent advocacy letters are prepared and sent off at the staff level. You can’t be that much of an idiot. But who knows?

bayview on August 17, 2012 at 10:13 AM

And to top it off, Ryan is a bold-faced liar. Jake Tapper, HA favorite reporter lowers the boom:
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/08/presented-with-letters-ryan-admits-requesting-stimulus-cash/

The ease and calm Ryan told this lie is downright socio-scary.

libfreeordie on August 17, 2012 at 9:59 AM

The companies requested the cash through his office…it’s what congress critters do.

Of course, I understand why you want to focus on something so ridiculous, considering the miserable failure of the current occupant of the White House. Pretty hard to defend a record that includes 8.3% unemployment.

changer1701 on August 17, 2012 at 10:14 AM

When I think of Obama and Hillary back in 2008, I remember Barry scratching his nose with his middle finger when he mentioned her. Drudge had a huge photo of it. The Clintons have long memories, my friends.

parteagirl on August 17, 2012 at 10:14 AM

Isn’t the later relevant?

LiveFreeOffOthersOrDie on August 17, 2012 at 10:13 AM

The later(sic) is irrelevant as you are.

bayview on August 17, 2012 at 10:17 AM

Libtard troll posting off topic and trying to change the subject alert.

Wasn’t one banned for doing that a couple/few months ago?

IIRC, the troll tried to make a thread that had nothing to do with it all about Romney’s Mormonism.

farsighted on August 17, 2012 at 10:18 AM

That sound you hear is the air being let out of BHO’s water wings as Hillary pushes him out to sea with a wink and a cackle……

;)

ted c on August 17, 2012 at 10:18 AM

Run, Joe. Run.
American Crossroads Makes Its Case For Biden
—Andy

Is Joe Biden just a great Vice-President? Or is he the Greatest Vice-President Ever!?

A new ad from American Crossroads tries to answer that question …

Andy over at AOS titles his latest thread Run, Joe Run. Lolz. That’s the title of an old school police dog show back in the era of Adam-12 and Emergency!

ted c on August 17, 2012 at 10:21 AM

I don’t buy that Bill recommended that Hill take the spot. I think he can’t stand the black Jesus.

Hummer53 on August 17, 2012 at 10:22 AM

But these criticisms of Biden seem coordinated and intended to place the emphasis on Obama’s dubious choice for Vice President, intended to make the argument that you should be much more afraid of a President Biden than a President Ryan.

Actually, the incompetency of the buffoon-like Biden ought to manifest itself in an attack on Obama’s incompetency. The point of the attack is that he is either incompetent, or willing to foster an incompetent man upon America. One could argue that he is calloused enough to pick the inept walking comedy, Biden because he needed cover for his racist attacks on any white critics.

Take your pick.

Don L on August 17, 2012 at 10:22 AM

Constituent advocacy letters are prepared and sent off at the staff level. You can’t be that much of an idiot. But who knows?

bayview on August 17, 2012 at 10:13 AM

Not to mention, for any lib to come in here and try to lecture us about a Republican candidate telling lies…..the mind boggles. Obama’s told so many lies and half-truths that if his nose grew every time, the tip would be grazing the surface of the moon about now.

tdpwells on August 17, 2012 at 10:22 AM

I’ve got my doubts they seriously considered it. Think about it. If you were Barry, would you want your own heartbeat to be the only thing standing in the way of a Clinton being the president?

EconomicNeocon on August 17, 2012 at 10:23 AM

Hillary would have been a devastating choice. The combination of her and Obama would have been unbeatable. Our country may have just dodged a bullet.

In a weird way, it would have given Obama the gravitas he’s never been able to acquire. I say it’s “weird” because Hillary has contributed nothing interesting, important or helpful as NY Senator or Sec. of State. Her greatest claim to fame is still being Bill Clinton’s wife. Yet, compared to Biden, she has considerable star power and heft.

Hillary is looked at as being a “centrist,” even though she’s every bit as poisonous and ideological as Obama. Probably she’s more dangerous simply because she pretends to be taking the middle road.

Of course, all of this is speculative. Ed guesses that Klein has fabricated this entire story in the first place, and Ed knows more about these things than I do.

Burke on August 17, 2012 at 10:24 AM

I don’t buy that Bill recommended that Hill take the spot. I think he can’t stand the black Jesus.

Hummer53 on August 17, 2012 at 10:22 AM

Billy Jeff is astute enough to know that, despite what he says, Team BO & Joe are running out of feet to shoot themselves in so he’s just damning with faint praise, IMO.

ted c on August 17, 2012 at 10:24 AM

The mere thought of being in the same room with Valerie Jarrett — the scariest person in the Obama administration — is nauseating. I can almost feel sorry for Hillary.

natasha333 on August 17, 2012 at 10:24 AM

libfreeordie on August 17, 2012 at 10:13 AM

I am just going to bask in the liberal desperation on display here…

Mmmm… Mmmm… Mmmmmmmmmm…… Ahhhhhhh………

Roy Rogers on August 17, 2012 at 10:26 AM

Constituent advocacy letters are prepared and sent off at the staff level. You can’t be that much of an idiot. But who knows?

bayview on August 17, 2012 at 10:13 AM

So you’re saying that Paul Ryan, a supposed expert on the stimulus, was unaware that large Wisconsin companies would be making requests through his office for funds? The person who claims that the stimulus “did nothing.” Shouldn’t he have been, at least, tracing the money that went through his office? It suggests massive intellectual laziness on his part. He decided the stimulus did nothing before even seeing how it helped private firms in his district.

But again, all of this makes sense. Ryan has inherited wealth earned by a company that grew fat on government contracts. And we know how the right feels about the processes that go into deciding who gets public contracts. What’s the word again crony-something?

libfreeordie on August 17, 2012 at 10:27 AM

The mere thought of being in the same room with Valerie Jarrett — the scariest person in the Obama administration — is nauseating. I can almost feel sorry for Hillary.

natasha333 on August 17, 2012 at 10:24 AM

I’m sure that these three women do not mix well under any kind of circumstances. Could you imagine a meeting with Big Sis, HRC, ValJar, and Mrs. Obama???? The stares and glares in that room would be deadly as staring right into Medusa’s eyes. Turn you to stone lickety split.

ted c on August 17, 2012 at 10:27 AM

Who is the next most popular female Democrat?

forest on August 17, 2012 at 9:40 AM

I’ve heard Claire McCaskill is going to be looking for a job soon.

Kevin71 on August 17, 2012 at 10:29 AM

Pretty hard to defend a record that includes 8.3% unemployment.

changer1701 on August 17, 2012 at 10:14 AM

Team Dogeater would kill for a number that low, the actual figure is far worse.

Bishop on August 17, 2012 at 10:30 AM

I’m sure that these three women do not mix well under any kind of circumstances. Could you imagine a meeting with Big Sis, HRC, ValJar, and Mrs. Obama???? The stares and glares in that room would be deadly as staring right into Medusa’s eyes. Turn you to stone lickety split.

Well, either that or it could have the possibility of turning into an orgy.

natasha333 on August 17, 2012 at 10:31 AM

Is the theme music at the DNC Convention going to be “Unchained Melody” by the Righteous Brothers??????

/iTunes $0.99

ted c on August 17, 2012 at 10:01 AM

Nah, “Chain of Fools” by Aretha Franklin.

Flora Duh on August 17, 2012 at 10:05 AM

My mind keeps humming “Send in the Clowns”

Don L on August 17, 2012 at 10:32 AM

“Pretty hard to defend a record that includes 8.3% unemployment.”

Obama is back in the lead in Rasmussen, so he seems to be doing a great job of defending a crappy record.

gumbyandpokey on August 17, 2012 at 10:33 AM

What’s the word again crony-something?

libfreeordie on August 17, 2012 at 10:27 AM

Tell us again about Corzine and MF Global…

tdpwells on August 17, 2012 at 10:33 AM

Roy Rogers on August 17, 2012 at 10:26 AM

Roy Rogers? Darling, where have you been…no one’s seen you for *ages.* Are you OK? I wasn’t sure if you knew but while you were blithely sitting back a bunch of other chicken firms have taken your corn-bread throne. What’s that? You’re taking a similarly laidback stance about the damage Paul Ryan’s doing to the Romney candidacy. Well you just go ‘on then, have a cocktail. Nothing to see here at all.

libfreeordie on August 17, 2012 at 10:34 AM

Hillary! is not stupid. Run on an Obama ticket? What’s the up side for her? Being VP would mean nothing – Michelle and Jarrett run the show. Four more years of a stagnant economy….PLUS all the mischief Barry could do, since he won’t be running for office again.

How would she defend that? Barry wins re-election, she’ll bail as Sec State and sit on the sidelines. No one will be able to blame her for anything.

GarandFan on August 17, 2012 at 10:35 AM

Hogwash.

I sometimes get upset about the types of factless stories that I find on this site and then I catch myself and remember that the writers are bloggers not journalist and thus aren’t held to the same standards in reporting.

Politricks on August 17, 2012 at 10:36 AM

Don’t bother marking your calendars for the Oct. 11 VP debate. On Oct. 9, I predict Plugs will suddenly be hospitalized for a “health scare”. He will be released on Oct. 12: “He’s fine, it turned out to be nothing.”

Thank you – SickofLibstrodamus

SickofLibs on August 17, 2012 at 10:36 AM

I remember in 08 when the left villified Palin and told countless lies about her. They made it seem that SHE was running for POTUS not McCain. No one made a peep in the MSM when Biden was picked by Obama and everyone knows what a lightweight he is. No one questioned his fitness for the office and they had ample ammunition. Palin has gravitas, Biden is a fool. Isn’t it interesting that here in 2012 once again the VP pick is influencing the outcome of the election to such a degree? It’s like my mama always said “honey, if someone is busy making a fool of themselves get out of their way and let them do it”.

There are lots of things you can say about the Clintons but politically stupid isn’t one of them. I think Hillary knows this ship is going down and she doesn’t want to be on it when it does. Bill made a rare political mistake if he was urging her to take the VP slot. I’ll bet he’s glad Hillary didn’t take his advice now.

Call it karma, schadenfreude, reaping what has been sown. Whatever you call it I’m loving it!

neyney on August 17, 2012 at 10:36 AM

What more could liberals want from a nominee?

libfreeordie on August 17, 2012 at 10:13 AM

So, you will be voting for Romney/Ryan this time around? Oh, wait, thats right, you want the socialist dog eater and his racist chump buddy. You are a mental midget.

VegasRick on August 17, 2012 at 10:37 AM

Tell us again about Corzine and MF Global…

tdpwells on August 17, 2012 at 10:33 AM

Tell us again how a man whose personal biography is built upon wealth earned from government contracts became the standard bearer for conservatism? Jon Corzine is one of many Wall Street insiders who haven’t been prosecuted for their criminal acts. Are you under some crazy notion that a McCain-Palin white house would’ve aggressively prosecuted the investment class who nearly destroyed the economy? Ha! Both parties are owned by capital, we all know that. But, hilariously, conservatives have convinced themselves that there side just “believes” that Wall Street is good, instead of being outright bought by them.

libfreeordie on August 17, 2012 at 10:37 AM

Either he Holder isn’t in charge of his congressional office DOJ or he thinks the American people are stupid. Neither is good for your side.

libfreeordie on August 17, 2012 at 10:13 AM

So you’re saying that Paul Ryan Eric Holder, a supposed expert on the stimulus job of Attorney General, was unaware that large Wisconsin companies ATF would be making requests through his office for funds guidance on how to cover-up an illegal gun-running operation? The person who claims that the stimulus his office “did nothing wrong.” Shouldn’t he have been, at least, tracing the money memos that went through his office? It suggests massive intellectual laziness on his part.

libfreeordie on August 17, 2012 at 10:27 AM

See how this works?

Flora Duh on August 17, 2012 at 10:38 AM

ignore the ignorant.

ted c on August 17, 2012 at 10:39 AM

flora= mad skillz

++

ted c on August 17, 2012 at 10:39 AM

Obama is back in the lead in Rasmussen, so he seems to be doing a great job of defending a crappy record.

gumbyandpokey on August 17, 2012 at 10:33 AM

Not really, it’s only because azzholes like you will still vote for him.

VegasRick on August 17, 2012 at 10:39 AM

So, you will be voting for Romney/Ryan this time around? Oh, wait, thats right, you want the socialist dog eater and his racist chump buddy. You are a mental midget.

VegasRick on August 17, 2012 at 10:37 AM

It *is* a hard choice. Which big government corporatist ticket will I vote for? Alas, I have to make my decision based on the Supreme Court, social issues and the Obama administrations unwillingness to gut food stamp and aid for higher education. That’s about it. Why are you supporting Ryan-Romney. Because they are going to “shrink government?” Because they are going to get the government “out of the private sector?” Oh honey….I feel for you, I truly do.

libfreeordie on August 17, 2012 at 10:40 AM

The woman that said “Shame on you Barack Obama” as VP? Nah

Wagthatdog on August 17, 2012 at 10:40 AM

Obama is back in the lead in Rasmussen, so he seems to be doing a great job of defending a crappy record.

gumbyandpokey on August 17, 2012 at 10:33 AM

He’s at 46%. Unless you’re an idiot(and I have my suspicions), you’d know by now that Rasmussen routinely has Romney up about 4-5 days of the week with Obama tied or slightly ahead the rest of the time.

Doughboy on August 17, 2012 at 10:41 AM

Hillary 2016!

Because no one busts a moove like the square waisted hillbilly

PappyD61 on August 17, 2012 at 10:43 AM

I prognosticate that Hillary is looking 4 years down the road at being the Dem presidential nomination. She has absolutely no incentive to hook her coach to Obama’s approaching train wreck.

In fact I think a lot of Dems are looking forward to a Romney presidency in hopes they can destroy him in advance of a Hillary nomination in 2016.

Romney can’t possibly do as much damage as Obama can the next four years, meaning that should the nation suffer another Obama term the potential for Republicans to regain the nations trust in 2016 will place a Republican president in the office until at least 2024 if not 2031.

In the end, the Dems best long term chance of maintaining relevance in national elections might rest on an Obama defeat this November.

Lawrence on August 17, 2012 at 10:45 AM

Only a complete fool would lash themselves to the mast of a burning ship…

Hillary is many things… but foolish she is not.

CPT. Charles on August 17, 2012 at 10:45 AM

I have to make my decision based on the Obama administrations unwillingness to gut food stamp and aid for higher education. That’s about it. Oh honey….I feel for you, I truly do.

libfreeordie on August 17, 2012 at 10:40 AM

You feel sorry for me? Don’t bother.

VegasRick on August 17, 2012 at 10:46 AM

The reason Biden was picked in 2008 was because any knowledgeable person would have started questioning Obama once he tried to “transform” the US.

I still think they need a patsy in the VP slot for the same reason. Would an Evan Bayh stand by in meetings while they tried to go far left? Consider that the guy quit the Senate in the first place because he couldn’t run on the Obama agenda after 2 years of party line votes.

Conan on August 17, 2012 at 10:48 AM

See how this works?

Flora Duh on August 17, 2012 at 10:38 AM

Indeed I do, well done. Holder does have a lot of questions to answer regarding the failed Fast and Furious program, one of the worst “sting” operations I’ve heard of in a long time. But here’s the problem for you. Politically, that dog will not hunt. Your side misplayed it. You were convinced the Court was going to strike down Obama Care, so you went for the 1-2 punch by scheduling that contempt vote for Holder on the same day of the decision. Greedy. So what ended up happening is Fast and Furious got completely overshadowed after the court upheld the law.

Here’s the other problem with the Fast and Furious scandal. I think very few Americans actually believe that Holder et al are responsible for the murders committed with federal guns, because of the right’s success in convincing people that “guns don’t kill people, people do.” When you talk about Mexican cartel violence Americans are also convinced that whether its federally tagged guns or not the violence there is 100% out of anyone’s control. The lack of control over the violence is precisely why its so scary. So yes, people think the program was “stupid” and misguided, but no one genuinely believes Holder et al are responsible for the death of Brian Terry. And the right’s attempt to pin that death on Holder comes off as just as petty and ridiculous as the SuperPac ad accusing Romney of causing that woman’s cancer. Cancer and Mexican cartel violence are understood as forces in and of themselves, there’s no way you’re going to convince people that they should blame Obama. Sorry.

libfreeordie on August 17, 2012 at 10:48 AM

Well it makes sense, considering the Ryan family business was built on government contracts. I guess when you’re handed down wealth earned from government contracts you start to think that “you built that.” Or something.

libfreeordie on August 17, 2012 at 10:07 AM

Wait, so now you’re saying that taking stimulus money was a bad thing? I think you need to get back with axelrod to straighten out your talking points.

Or you’re just being the usual hypocrite we all know.

/ occam’s razor

runawayyyy on August 17, 2012 at 10:49 AM

Hillary is many things… but foolish she is not.

CPT. Charles on August 17, 2012 at 10:45 AM

I am still trying to figure out what qualifies her to be President anymore than the Great Pretender.

So, she’s married to the guy who was governor of one of the lower ranked states in the union and happened to become President. And then she got a representative seat in state she didn’t live in. Finally, she is going around the world making people hate the U.S. even more.

LoganSix on August 17, 2012 at 10:50 AM

He’s at 46%. Unless you’re an idiot(and I have my suspicions), you’d know by now that Rasmussen routinely has Romney up about 4-5 days of the week with Obama tied or slightly ahead the rest of the time.

Doughboy on August 17, 2012 at 10:41 AM

So Paul Ryan has done nothing to change the dynamics of the election. Thanks for playing.

libfreeordie on August 17, 2012 at 10:50 AM

Wait, so now you’re saying that taking stimulus money was a bad thing? I think you need to get back with axelrod to straighten out your talking points.

Or you’re just being the usual hypocrite we all know.

/ occam’s razor

runawayyyy on August 17, 2012 at 10:49 AM

Not at all. I’m not the one who rails against government involvement in the private sector as proof of socialism. That’s Paul Ryan. You’ve confused the identification of hypocrisy with hypocrisy itself. Easy mistake, you’ll get the hand of logic one of these days, just keep at it!

libfreeordie on August 17, 2012 at 10:52 AM

http://www.salon.com/2012/08/14/paul_ryan_didnt_build_that/singleton/

libfreeordie on August 17, 2012 at 10:07 AM

LOL! Getting your “news” from Salon? Speaks volumes.

What’s their stock price these days, minus 2 cents a share?

And who the getalife is the writer of this piece you cite?

is a political commentator, community organizer, and founder and chief education officer of the Movement Vision Lab, a grassroots think tank.

Obviously a real “expert” in her field.

Not even worth grading you on this one.

Del Dolemonte on August 17, 2012 at 10:53 AM

libfreeordie on August 17, 2012 at 10:34 AM

Scratch a little lower and to the left…

Ahhhhhhhhh………..

Roy Rogers on August 17, 2012 at 10:54 AM

Also too good to check, Obama now +1…..in Rasmussen.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

Ryan dead cat bounce in full effect. So just to review, Rasmussen conducts and releases a bunch of polls done right when the Ryan pick is announced to capture the height of that excitement and can only get Romney at +1 in Florida. And by Friday the Tracking Poll has Obama in the lead for “the first time in 10 days.” Remember how I told folks the liberal blogosphere isn’t worried? Yeah, we’re not.

And to top it off, Ryan is a bold-faced liar. Jake Tapper, HA favorite reporter lowers the boom:
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/08/presented-with-letters-ryan-admits-requesting-stimulus-cash/

The ease and calm Ryan told this lie is downright socio-scary.

libfreeordie on August 17, 2012 at 9:59 AM

And sometimes by next week I guarantee you liberal scum that Romney woud be back up on the top in Rasmussen daily tracking poll… Regarding the liberal blogosphere is not worried about Ryan, please keep the delusion strong with you…Liberals live in a delusional world so nothing new here…

As I told you before liberal scum, on elections day the majority of voters are going to ask the simplest but most important question “Do we want four more years of this crap?” their answer would be “No, Hell No”…

mnjg on August 17, 2012 at 10:55 AM

Who is the Left’s Paul Ryan? Who is as articulate, factual, and influential?

shuzilla on August 17, 2012 at 9:59 AM

I think that was supposed to be Antony Weiner. Good times.

taternuggets on August 17, 2012 at 10:56 AM

And, honestly, how does the right feel about the fact that the Ryan family business has earned millions of dollars from government contracts

libfreeordie on August 17, 2012 at 10:13 AM

Democrat Lyndon Johnson’s family earned millions of dollars from government contracts too. Is it only bad when Republicans do it?

F-

Del Dolemonte on August 17, 2012 at 10:57 AM

Not at all. I’m not the one who rails against government involvement in the private sector as proof of socialism. That’s Paul Ryan. You’ve confused the identification of hypocrisy with hypocrisy itself. Easy mistake, you’ll get the hand of logic one of these days, just keep at it!

libfreeordie on August 17, 2012 at 10:52 AM

So what you’e now saying is that taking stimulus money is ok but only as long as you’re a democrat. And you actually think you know what hypocrisy means. Try again moron.

runawayyyy on August 17, 2012 at 10:58 AM

So Paul Ryan has done nothing to change the dynamics of the election. Thanks for playing.

libfreeordie on August 17, 2012 at 10:50 AM

Basking….

How about them chains y’all???

Roy Rogers on August 17, 2012 at 10:59 AM

If it’s true, Mr. President has just made a giant fool of himself and his vice president, and played the “I’m desperate” card. Why in the world would she take 2nd spot to that idiot, only a narcissist like him would think she’d accept. Dumba$$. It’s actually hilarious, if it’s true.

Second comment…this is a post about Hilary, trolls, not Ryan.

scalleywag on August 17, 2012 at 10:59 AM

Del Dolemonte on August 17, 2012 at 10:53 AM

You get away with the “attacking the messenger” ad hom fallacy far too often around here. The author links to a number of government reports on federal contracts to demonstrate the Ryan family’s close relationship to the federal government. Unless you can prove she fabricated those reports you are engaging in the most powerful example of point blank denial that I’ve seen in a very long time. You’re always asking for proof, but up or shut up. Prove that those government reports are fabricated.

F-

libfreeordie on August 17, 2012 at 11:00 AM

That sound you hear is the air being let out of BHO’s water wings as Hillary pushes him out to sea with a wink and a cackle……

;)

ted c on August 17, 2012 at 10:18 AM

ROTF.

SparkPlug on August 17, 2012 at 11:03 AM

Ryan has inherited wealth earned by a company that grew fat on government contracts. And we know how the right feels about the processes that go into deciding who gets public contracts. What’s the word again crony-something?

libfreeordie on August 17, 2012 at 10:27 AM

Is all “inherited wealth” bad? Your side ran an idiot for President in 2004 who’s many times richer than Romney and Ryan combined. He inherited that wealth when he married it, and your side had absolutely no problem with that. Not to mention the obscenely wealthy Democrat who was elected President in 1960 by using vote and voter fraud on a massive scale in Illinois and Texas.

And your side had absolutely no problem when Democrat Presidents Lyndon Johnson and Bill Clinton gave Halliburton no-bid contracts, and no problem when many Halliburton employees, including a Senior Vice President, donated to Halliburton in 2008.

By the way, your Boy Wonder O’bama also gave Halliburton a no-bid contract in Iraq in 2009, but then quickly nixed it when word of it threatened to leak out.

You must be so proud of them all.

Del Dolemonte on August 17, 2012 at 11:04 AM

So what you’e now saying is that taking stimulus money is ok but only as long as you’re a democrat.

You need to be more specific with your language. Is it “OK” that Ryan’s office funneled stimulus money to Wisconsin businesses? If by OK you mean “legal?” then yes. If by “OK” you mean normal or “business as usual for both sides” then the answer is yes.

But what I’m arguing is that it is hypocritical for Paul Ryan to claim “the stimulus did nothing” when, clearly, his own office (and many other members of the GOP who hate the stimulus) wrote letters that made arguments that stimulus funds would create jobs by enriching the coffers of various private outfits. Indeed, *this is the very argument for why the stimulus was needed* it helped out an innumerable number of businesses and kept the economy afloat while Wall Street imploded. The argument that it did “nothing” is either a stupid one or its a bald-faced lie. The argument Ryan makes about the stimulus is where you ask “is this OK?”

libfreeordie on August 17, 2012 at 11:04 AM

Can you imagine the Ryan-Biden debate coming up?

Ryan: “Hi! Can I call you Joe?”
Biden: “Y’all be a *@&$&! racist!!11!”

KS Rex on August 17, 2012 at 11:06 AM

Sorry.

libfreeordie on August 17, 2012 at 10:48 AM

That you are.

VegasRick on August 17, 2012 at 11:06 AM

Camp Hillary serves up Vengence Icecream…

workingclass artist on August 17, 2012 at 11:08 AM

Is all “inherited wealth” bad?

Again. You all are being imprecise with your language. Is inherited wealth “bad?” Bad for what? For the people who inherited it, for me? I don’t know what to do with such a vague question.

Your side ran an idiot for President in 2004 who’s many times richer than Romney and Ryan combined. He inherited that wealth when he married it, and your side had absolutely no problem with that.

Quite right, but did John Kerry run for office on the argument that the Heinz business model was bad for the nation? That’s essentially what Ryan is doing vis a vis his family’s business and his campaign message.

And your side had absolutely no problem when Democrat Presidents Lyndon Johnson and Bill Clinton gave Halliburton no-bid contracts, and no problem when many Halliburton employees, including a Senior Vice President, donated to Halliburton in 2008.

Partisan hackery is indeed a thing. I, for one, have always criticized corporate welfare, I can’t be responsible for the tens of millions of people who vote for Democrats.

libfreeordie on August 17, 2012 at 11:09 AM

BTW, anybody notice that this thread is supposed to be about hillary, obambi and bite – me and all the libs talk about is Paul Ryan?

VegasRick on August 17, 2012 at 11:09 AM

Who is the Left’s Paul Ryan? Who is as articulate, factual, and influential?

shuzilla on August 17, 2012 at 9:59 AM

Articulate and factual don’t rise to the top of the Democratic Party in DC. Bomb throwers like Maxine Waters and Charlie Rangel get the attention there.

Actually, for the most part, Gov Jerry Brown is articulate and factual. The fact remains, though, that he is a Flakus maximus.

JohnGalt23 on August 17, 2012 at 11:10 AM

That you are.

VegasRick on August 17, 2012 at 11:06 AM

Weak tea.

libfreeordie on August 17, 2012 at 11:10 AM

BTW, anybody notice that this thread is supposed to be about hillary, obambi and bite – me and all the libs talk about is Paul Ryan?

VegasRick on August 17, 2012 at 11:09 AM

Yeah. I noticed the troll hijacked it.

farsighted on August 17, 2012 at 11:10 AM

The thread is clearly about the VP issue, Paul Ryan being the current VP darling, soon to be VP flameout is relevant.

libfreeordie on August 17, 2012 at 11:12 AM

Partisan hackery is indeed a thing. I, for one, have always criticized corporate welfare, I can’t be responsible for the tens of millions of people who vote for Democrats.

libfreeordie on August 17, 2012 at 11:09 AM

And they can’t be responsible for themselves, hence “vote for Democrats”.

Back on topic of the thread, how about those family ties to government from Joe Biden’s offspring? Any outrage there? Maybe you are agreeing that Obama should drop him, albeit subconsciously.

weaselyone on August 17, 2012 at 11:15 AM

The thread is clearly about the VP issue, Paul Ryan being the current VP darling, soon to be VP flameout is relevant.

libfreeordie on August 17, 2012 at 11:12 AM

No, this thread is clearly about the current VP flameout.

weaselyone on August 17, 2012 at 11:16 AM

Also too good to check, Obama now +1…..in Rasmussen.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

Ryan dead cat bounce in full effect. So just to review, Rasmussen conducts and releases a bunch of polls done right when the Ryan pick is announced to capture the height of that excitement and can only get Romney at +1 in Florida. And by Friday the Tracking Poll has Obama in the lead for “the first time in 10 days.” Remember how I told folks the liberal blogosphere isn’t worried? Yeah, we’re not.

And to top it off, Ryan is a bold-faced liar. Jake Tapper, HA favorite reporter lowers the boom:
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/08/presented-with-letters-ryan-admits-requesting-stimulus-cash/

The ease and calm Ryan told this lie is downright socio-scary.

libfreeordie on August 17, 2012 at 9:59 AM

This guy doesn’t know how to read trends or know what happened to them. They are losing the issues hahhaha
716 billion was cut from Medicare, I don’t think they realized it, because they never read the bill hahahhah, they are so screwed.

2nd Obama goes on radio today to talk soul food hahhaha hahahhah that’s the defining issue of our day.

Lib jump ship, save yourself like Hilliary did, I’m trying help you hahahaha

Conservative4ev on August 17, 2012 at 11:16 AM

LoganSix on August 17, 2012 at 10:50 AM

She’s a cunning, ruthless, vindictive, opportunistic and dissembling schemer.

She’s a perfect fit for power politics within any Leftist/statist party.

CPT. Charles on August 17, 2012 at 11:17 AM

Brilliant, or just incredibly fortunate? Perhaps a little of both.

Shadenfreude.

Tenwheeler on August 17, 2012 at 11:17 AM

“Bill Clinton was, I’m told, urging his wife to accept the number two slot. He saw this as a great launching pad for her for running in 2016.”

Big dog Bill isn’t too bright after all. At least Billary can see the radioactivity emanating from Messiah Obama. Obama still thinks it’s a halo.

timberline on August 17, 2012 at 11:17 AM

And to top it off, Ryan is a bold-faced liar. Jake Tapper, HA favorite reporter lowers the boom:

The ease and calm Ryan told this lie is downright socio-scary.

libfreeordie on August 17, 2012 at 9:59 AM

.
It the game of gotcha politics, the Democrites will have something here…..and will liberal scum media will oblige and put it above the fold. However……

Do they really want give a green light to the Rs to open the door debate/discussion about the subject of honesty of all involved in the campaigning? Up until now, calling Maobama out for his lies, abuse of power and crony payoffs has been off limits for Rs to bring them into the spotlight.

Open up the “honesty” pandora’s box and start the finger pointing….and Oliar is fair game for the voters to learn what the media has been censoring from them.

Uber Negative, for sure.

FlaMurph on August 17, 2012 at 11:17 AM

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