Too good to check: Hillary turned down VP slot … two weeks ago

posted at 9:21 am on August 17, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

Did Hillary Clinton turn down the opportunity to replace Joe Biden as soon as two weeks ago in a White House lunch with Valerie Jarrett?  Ed Klein, author of “The Amateur,” says his sources in the Hillary camp say it’s true in an appearance last night on CNBC with Larry Kudlow.  Not only did she turn Obama down, but according to Klein, Obama’s “socialistic policies” are part of the reason the presumed 2016 frontrunner wants to maintain her distance from the campaign:

“Up until just a couple of weeks ago the White House was putting out feelers to see if Hillary would accept the vice-presidential nod and replace Joe Biden,” Klein said. “Bill Clinton was, I’m told, urging his wife to accept the number two slot. He saw this as a great launching pad for her for running in 2016.”

“But then Hillary had lunch in the White House a couple of weeks ago with Valerie Jarrett — Michelle [Obama]’s best friend, senior adviser to both the first lady and the president … and she told Valerie that she would not accept the vice president’s spot. The lunch was ostensibly about other matters, but it came up. … Hillary felt burned out after four years as Secretary of State. But I’m told there were more important reasons for her not accepting.”

Those reasons, Klein explained, involve the former first lady being put in positions that would make her vulnerable if she should decide to run for president four years from now.

“She felt that if she were on the ticket with Obama and he lost, she would be tarred as a loser when she tried to run in 2016,” Klein said. “On the other hand, if she was on the ticket and he won, and he continued his far left-wing socialistic policies, she’d have to defend those policies when she ran in 2016.”

Valerie Jarrett was supposedly the intermediary, because according to Klein, Obama doesn’t trust Bill Clinton.  Had Obama himself extended the offer, Klein’s sources say that Obama believes his Democratic predecessor would have leaked it to make him look desperate.  Aren’t four references to Seamus The Roof Riding Dog enough to leave that impression as it is?  Besides, someone’s leaking it if Klein’s sources are accurate.

Speaking of desperate, guess who’s getting his second vacation this month?

Vice President Joe Biden is going home to Delaware.

The updated White House calendar for Aug. 17 reports that “in the morning, the Vice President will meet with senior advisers. Later, the Vice President will be in Wilmington, Delaware.”

“There are no public events scheduled,” said the 5:36 p.m. White House announcement, titled “Daily Guidance for the Vice President.” …

A review of Biden’s schedule for the last several weeks shows that he’s been kept on a very short chain, and has spent many days in Delaware, rather than on the campaign trail or even at the Vice-President’s mansion in D.C.

On the week starting Monday Aug 6, he had no campaign events scheduled. In the prior week, he was scheduled to attend only three campaign events. In the prior week, starting Monday July 23, he attend a firefighters’ convention in Palm Beach, Fla., a police convention in Philadelphia, and an one additional “campaign event” in Washington D.C.

Kudlow asks Klein the rhetorical question that’s been on everyone’s mind since last week: Can you imagine the Ryan-Biden debate coming up?  Unfortunately for the White House, everyone can imagine what the outcome will be, at least.  Sending Sheriff Joe into the Obama hoosegow for a week won’t change that, although it will finally give the media an opportunity to start talking about Paul Ryan.  Timothy Dalrymple thinks it’s already too late to win the “heartbeat away” contest after Biden’s last week on the campaign trail:

Anyone else wondering why so many Romney surrogates and conservative pundits are jumping into the attack against Biden?  Sarah Palin, Rudy Giuliani, John McCain, all suggesting that Obama should abandon Biden.  They don’t actually want him to replace Biden with Hillary, of course; that would make for a much stronger Dem ticket.  But, knowing that Obama won’t abandon Biden, they argue that he should, in order to make the point that Biden is unfit to be Vice President. …

I’m not knocking it.  It’s all justified.  Ryan is a fantastic choice for VP, and the thought of President Biden is truly frightening.  But these criticisms of Biden seem coordinated and intended to place the emphasis on Obama’s dubious choice for Vice President, intended to make the argument that you should be much more afraid of a President Biden than a President Ryan.  The choice of the VP candidate is important in part because it speaks to the ability of the candidate for the Presidency to make sound decisions.  Before the Dems even got a chance to attack Ryan, Republicans were able to turn the current Vice President into Exhibit A in the argument against Obama’s sound judgment.

In other words, just when the Dems wanted to make the argument, “Do you really want Rep. Ryan a heartbeat away from the Presidency?” Republicans were able to make an even stronger argument, “Do you really want Joe Biden a heartbeat away from the Presidency?”  Brilliant.

Brilliant, or just incredibly fortunate? Perhaps a little of both.

Update: I’m skeptical about whether this took place, and whether Obama can even make a switch at all at this point. But I don’t think Hillary would be the best choice anyway. He’d be better off trying to convince Evan Bayh or even Michael Bloomberg to sign on. I’m not sure either man would want the job, but Bayh isn’t doing anything else at the moment. And Bayh would have been a better choice in 2008, too.


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she was reading a poem in the accent it was written. Kinda like you’d read a Twain story.

LtGenRob on August 17, 2012 at 10:10 AM

IMO she was pandering. Kinda like “they gonna put ya’ll back in chains.”

Eren on August 17, 2012 at 11:17 AM

So Paul Ryan has done nothing to change the dynamics of the election. Thanks for playing.

libfreeordie on August 17, 2012 at 10:50 AM

You don’t believe that. If you did there would be no reason for you to be so hysterical.

magicbeans on August 17, 2012 at 11:20 AM

I’ze nevah bin no how tiyyyyerd! Hillary said when asked about this story.

profitsbeard on August 17, 2012 at 11:20 AM

So Paul Ryan has done nothing to change the dynamics of the election. Thanks for playing.

libfreeordie on August 17, 2012 at 10:50 AM

First he was attacked by the left for being an extreme right winger in an attempt to turn off independents. That didn’t work. Now the attempt by the left is to label him as too liberal to appeal to the conservative base in an attempt to keep conservatives home.

Back on topic:
Do you prefer Joe Biden over Hillary?

weaselyone on August 17, 2012 at 11:24 AM

Do they really want give a green light to the Rs to open the door debate/discussion about the subject of honesty of all involved in the campaigning? Up until now, calling Maobama out for his lies, abuse of power and crony payoffs has been off limits for Rs to bring them into the spotlight.

This is just false. The country just spent a week talking about the Super Pac ad that smeared Mitt Romney as causing a woman’s cancer. We spent the last three days putting Biden’s feet to the flame, justifiably so, for trying to pander to black voters with that “chains” comment (ugh I still shudder). The media has been going in on Obama campaign mis-steps. What do you want? Them to demand college transcripts?

libfreeordie on August 17, 2012 at 11:24 AM

Who woulda thunk? Payback actually is a bitch Hillary!

Valkyriepundit on August 17, 2012 at 9:32 AM

Oh wait….we’re talking about the same thing.

timberline on August 17, 2012 at 11:24 AM

You need to be more specific with your language. Is it “OK” that Ryan’s office funneled stimulus money to Wisconsin businesses? If by OK you mean “legal?” then yes. If by “OK” you mean normal or “business as usual for both sides” then the answer is yes.

But what I’m arguing is that it is hypocritical for Paul Ryan to claim “the stimulus did nothing” when, clearly, his own office (and many other members of the GOP who hate the stimulus) wrote letters that made arguments that stimulus funds would create jobs by enriching the coffers of various private outfits. Indeed, *this is the very argument for why the stimulus was needed* it helped out an innumerable number of businesses and kept the economy afloat while Wall Street imploded. The argument that it did “nothing” is either a stupid one or its a bald-faced lie. The argument Ryan makes about the stimulus is where you ask “is this OK?”

libfreeordie on August 17, 2012 at 11:04 AM

We all do hypocritical things: Reagan did, Clinton did, both Bushes did, Obama has and continues to do. Heck even George Washington and Abraham Lincoln did hypocritical things. That is what politicians do! Why does Obama have all these wall street people in his administration, some of which stole lots of money and are now not being prosecuted? I thought he said he was the man of the middle class, the man of the working stiff?

The problem with Obama is he does it more than most, and he is not that bright. Romney and Ryan simply are smarter than Obama and Biden; and they have a plan…which Obama does not…for fixing our debt and the economy. It is always important to have a plan, or at least one that is rational, if you want to be president.

:)

William Eaton on August 17, 2012 at 11:25 AM

libfreeordie

Go take a shower! You reek of desperation and fear.

Valkyriepundit on August 17, 2012 at 11:25 AM

The media has been going in on Obama campaign mis-steps. What do you want? Them to demand college transcripts?

libfreeordie on August 17, 2012 at 11:24 AM

Wow that was deep. Sounds like whining to me.

Joe Biden….wwhahahahahwbhahahahah

CW on August 17, 2012 at 11:28 AM

Del Dolemonte on August 17, 2012 at 10:53 AM

You get away with the “attacking the messenger” ad hom fallacy far too often around here.

libfreeordie on August 17, 2012 at 11:00 AM

LOL! Call for me to be banned then. You’re really having a bad day here.

And no, I wasn’t “attacking the messenger”, I was simply laughing at it, since Salon has been a joke since the late 1990s. They only reason they’re even still in business is because they keep getting donations from clueless Leftists like yourself.

9 years ago, Salon was bleeding money; they’d lost almost $84 million in their first 8 years in “business”, and at that time their stock was trading for .05 a share. Just 3 years before that, their stock was selling for 20 times that. Right now, it’s selling for a loft 12 cents a share. You must be so proud of them.

And Salon’s Premium subscriptions have plunged from over 100,000 to just 10,000. Doesn’t sound very credible to me.

The author links to a number of government reports on federal contracts to demonstrate the Ryan family’s close relationship to the federal government.

No, Dear, in your link I found exactly one “link to a government report”, namely a link to the National Archives. All the rest of the author’s links are either to the Ryan Corp. website, or to these sources:

The New Yorker (2 separate links)

Think Progress (several such links to there, in fact)

The “Off the Charts” Blog

and the CBPP, who laughably call themselves “non-partisan”, but then flog words of praise from Uncle Joe Biden and Paulie Krugman on their website. They also refuse to tell us where their donations come from.

F-

Del Dolemonte on August 17, 2012 at 11:28 AM

Do they really want give a green light to the Rs to open the door debate/discussion about the subject of honesty of all involved in the campaigning? Up until now, calling Maobama out for his lies, abuse of power and crony payoffs has been off limits for Rs to bring them into the spotlight.

This is just false. The country just spent a week talking about the Super Pac ad that smeared Mitt Romney as causing a woman’s cancer. We spent the last three days putting Biden’s feet to the flame, justifiably so, for trying to pander to black voters with that “chains” comment (ugh I still shudder). The media has been going in on Obama campaign mis-steps. What do you want? Them to demand college transcripts?

libfreeordie on August 17, 2012 at 11:24 AM

You guys stole 716 billion off Medicare from seniors

If you were smart you would get rid of Obama just to save your party hahaha but he is going to take it down the tubes. Hahahah

Conservative4ev on August 17, 2012 at 11:28 AM

What do you want? Them to demand college transcripts?

libfreeordie on August 17, 2012 at 11:24 AM

Yes, and about this.

Biden’s ‘good friend,’ donor receives $20M federal loan to open foreign luxury car dealership in Ukraine

“In late July, John Hynansky — a longtime friend of Vice President Joe Biden, and a major donor to Biden’s campaigns as well as President Barack Obama’s — was awarded a $20 million taxpayer loan to build a foreign-car dealership in Ukraine.

According to a public summary document, the loan, from the federal government’s Overseas Private Investment Corporation, is for “[u]p to $20.0 million,” and is designed to “expand Winner Import Ukraine’s automobile business, [and] construct and operate ‘Winner Autocity,’ which will have two new, state-of-the-art dealership facilities for Porsche and Land Rover/Jaguar automobiles.”

Porsche is a German-made luxury and sports car, and Jaguar Land Rover is a British luxury and sports car company owned by an Indian subsidiary.”

Talk about outsourcing.

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/08/17/bidens-good-friend-donor-receives-20m-federal-loan/#ixzz23olB03mW

http://dailycaller.com/2012/08/17/bidens-good-friend-donor-receives-20m-federal-loan/

sentinelrules on August 17, 2012 at 11:29 AM

And I thought Moochelle was Barack’s ball and chain.

It’s really Slow Joe Biden.

profitsbeard on August 17, 2012 at 11:30 AM

Is all “inherited wealth” bad?

Again. You all are being imprecise with your language. Is inherited wealth “bad?” Bad for what? For the people who inherited it, for me? I don’t know what to do with such a vague question.

libfreeordie on August 17, 2012 at 11:09 AM

In other words, you’re admitting that you can’t answer my question. Which was only “vague” to yourself.

Del Dolemonte on August 17, 2012 at 11:31 AM

Too good to check: Hillary turned down VP slot … two weeks ago

Full Bore Linear Panic:

As opposed to the modified stationary panic, the full bore linear panic is where the scare-ie seeks to achieve maximum “escape velocity” from the scare-er by moving in a straight line away. Usually this happens when one is startled by something unexpected (i.e. Toxic Obama Campaign/VP Biden slave comments).

There are several features to this type of motion. If done correctly you can place yourself very far away (read: light years) from the danger. It can also improve your health and shape you up since you’ve burned a lot of calories running at full speed. The natural boost of adrenaline also helps clear up hives and other allergic reactions.

Drawbacks include the fact that one must adhere to a linear pattern as much as possible. Things like other people and solid objects larger than yourself tend to disrupt the linear nature of this. Sometimes you can move past obstacles which may damage you or the obstacle. Indeed there is great risk of hurting yourself using this technique but this must be weighed against staying the general area of the scare-er.

This brings up the tricky question of when to stop the full bore linear panic. Sometimes your terrain makes this decision for you. Things like dead end alleys and very high cliffs make continuing the FBLP physically impossible. Other stop events are things like “out of danger” and unconsciousness brought about sudden assisted halting (like running into solid lamp posts – or FACTS).

Warning: this technique does not insure the removal of the dangerous situation. Your mileage may vary.

Roy Rogers on August 17, 2012 at 11:32 AM

THE THING the IDIOTS like Libfreeoffofothers cannot get is what this “stimulus” has cost us in the long term….all that has happened is that we have spread out the pain and shot it into the future. We have kicked the can. We wasted so much money. So sad. I feel bad for my kids ,nieces, and nephews.

CW on August 17, 2012 at 11:32 AM

And I thought Moochelle was Barack’s ball and chain.

It’s really Slow Joe Biden.

profitsbeard on August 17, 2012 at 11:30 AM

Biden is the Obama campaign’s “beard”

Roy Rogers on August 17, 2012 at 11:34 AM

fallacy
libfreeordie on August 17, 2012 at 11:00 AM

The irony. That is all you bring is fallacies.

CW on August 17, 2012 at 11:35 AM

Joe’s gonna be diagnosed with the slowest type of cancer or something, something to save face.

Little Boomer on August 17, 2012 at 11:35 AM

Del Dolemonte on August 17, 2012 at 11:28 AM

The Ryan family isn’t a reliable source of information on the Ryan family business? Ok…..

Yes or no question: Was the Ryan family business built on government contracts?

libfreeordie on August 17, 2012 at 11:35 AM

Super Pac ad that smeared Mitt Romney
Biden’s feet to the flame,
Obama campaign mis-steps.
What do you want?
Them to demand college transcripts?libfreeordie on August 17, 2012 at 11:24 AM

.
You make my point.
(And no, you’ll see Romney’s tax returns before you’ll ever see the smartest President-Evah,-college transcripts.)

None of what you decribed attacks the Occupier of the WH, personally.

He has been off limits to the real damaging exposure- because it has been pre-ordained as personal negative smearing. Its OK to accuse Mitt of being a felon, killer and all that stuff-
but attack ad Obie FAstnFurious coverup, Bribing Ben Nelson and others, paying off his donors with the green energy scams-

FlaMurph on August 17, 2012 at 11:37 AM

William Eaton: What is the Romney-Ryan plan for restoring the economy to its pre-housing crash state (knowing that the housing bubble was an unsustainable period of economic growth)?

*pops popcorn*

libfreeordie on August 17, 2012 at 11:38 AM

William Eaton: What is the Romney-Ryan plan for restoring the economy to its pre-housing crash state (knowing that the housing bubble was an unsustainable period of economic growth)?

*pops popcorn*

Not as detailed as ‘Hope and Change.’

*Michelle Obama steals the popcorn, puts lots of butter on it*

sentinelrules on August 17, 2012 at 11:40 AM

I LOVE THE SMELL OF LIBTARD DESPERATION! You know they’ve lost when they are fighting hard not to win, but rather not to lose!

Mmmm… Mmmm… Mmmmmmmmm…. Joe Gafftastic Biden

Roy Rogers on August 17, 2012 at 11:42 AM

I like this kind of gossip. It shows how much more interested you weirdos are in anything but rMoney. Ryan’s gym routine, Joe’s colorful shenanigans. Anything to help ease the pain of coming to terms with the fact that nobody likes your dude.

tommyhawk on August 17, 2012 at 11:43 AM

William Eaton: What is the Romney-Ryan plan for restoring the economy to its pre-housing crash state (knowing that the housing bubble was an unsustainable period of economic growth)?

*pops popcorn*

libfreeordie on August 17, 2012 at 11:38 AM

Start by removing you people from making it worse. It doesn’t have to go back to where it was. This country has started its nosedive due to the 100s of trillions in liberal entitlements that have no money behind them.

(That’s due to you guys)

Chuck Schick on August 17, 2012 at 11:44 AM

Jon Corzine is one of many Wall Street insiders who haven’t been prosecuted for their criminal acts. Are you under some crazy notion that a McCain-Palin white house would’ve aggressively prosecuted the investment class who nearly destroyed the economy? Ha! Both parties are owned by capital, we all know that. But, hilariously, conservatives have convinced themselves that there side just “believes” that Wall Street is good, instead of being outright bought by them.

libfreeordie on August 17, 2012 at 10:37 AM

So your argument is a theoretical act by two people not running is every bit as bad as overlooking a criminal act by the administration currently occupying the White House?

jayhawkingeorgia on August 17, 2012 at 11:45 AM

Lib jump ship, save yourself like Hilliary did, I’m trying help you hahahaha

Conservative4ev on August 17, 2012 at 11:16 AM

I’m betting libfreeordie was one of the folks that during the 2008 Dem primary was calling fellow dems “ignorant and racist” and bullying anyone who dared to support Hillary. I was there and it was pretty ugly. So this is his ship and he needs to go down with it.

magicbeans on August 17, 2012 at 11:45 AM

Not as detailed as ‘Hope and Change.’

*Michelle Obama steals the popcorn, puts lots of butter on it*

sentinelrules on August 17, 2012 at 11:40 AM

“Smoke and Chains” – obambi/bite-me 2012. And libturdordie eats it up.

VegasRick on August 17, 2012 at 11:46 AM

Obama’s reason for choosing Biden four years ago is the same reason he will choose him again this time.

No one else will run.

keats5 on August 17, 2012 at 11:49 AM

Jon Corzine is one of many Wall Street insiders who haven’t been prosecuted for their criminal acts. Are you under some crazy notion that a McCain-Palin white house would’ve aggressively prosecuted the investment class who nearly destroyed the economy? Ha! Both parties are owned by capital, we all know that. But, hilariously, conservatives have convinced themselves that there side just “believes” that Wall Street is good, instead of being outright bought by them.

libfreeordie on August 17, 2012 at 10:37 AM

As was pointed out yesterday, the evil Hitler Bush got 1300 convictions of Wall Street figures including 200 CEOs and VPs.

The closest Obama got to just AN ATTEMPT was Goldman Sachs, which of course they dropped hours after Dodd Frank passed. We all know how entrenched Wall Street figures are in Obama’s admin, DoJ and bundlers.

So yes, 0 is not a hard number to beat.

Chuck Schick on August 17, 2012 at 11:53 AM

“Smoke and Chains” – obambi/bite-me 2012. And libturdordie eats it up.

VegasRick on August 17, 2012 at 11:46 AM

That one is so programmed . Brainwashing works.

CW on August 17, 2012 at 11:53 AM

“Up until just a couple of weeks ago the White House was putting out feelers to see if Hillary would accept the vice-presidential nod and replace Joe Biden,” Klein said. “Bill Clinton was, I’m told, urging his wife to accept the number two slot. He saw this as a great launching pad for her for running in 2016.”

I don’t believe that Bill would be for it. The bad blood is between Bill and Bammie, moreso than Hillary.

According to The Amateur, it was Bill who pushed Hillary to challenge little Bammie in 2012. Why then would Bill recommend an accommodation now? Makes no sense. There’s just no upside to Hillary joining Bammie except some kind of democratic party solidarity, and that will be forgotten by 2016.

slickwillie2001 on August 17, 2012 at 11:54 AM

Kudlow asks Klein the rhetorical question that’s been on everyone’s mind since last week: Can you imagine the Ryan-Biden debate coming up?

Paul Ryan should announce that to help out poor Joe and even the playing field, he would like the debate questions given only to Joe, twenty-four hours in advance.

slickwillie2001 on August 17, 2012 at 11:56 AM

So while the left focuses on Paul Ryan we just say, “at least he’s out here doing something”? Fair enough.

One doesn’t know how many states we have, the other doesn’t know which one he’s in.

Wagthatdog on August 17, 2012 at 11:57 AM

libfreeordie – the Rasmussen daily comparison poll between Obama and Romney today has Obama up by one point. That’s a statistical tie, as I’m sure you know, for the margin of error is always three to four points.

With regard to Obama’s polling just as himself, the poll, today, is minus 16. That is, more people disapprove of him than approve.

With regard to any company accepting government loans, that is hardly indicative of corruption or anti-capitalism or even socialism. I’m not sure what your point is, or your specific data base is, with regard to Ryan’s family and their business and their presumed loans from government funds.

Standard government loans to private small businesses is a basic factor within good economic government. Obama’s Stimulus, on the other hand, didn’t go to enable small businesses but to prop up unionized public service employees.

A good economic government encourages the development of small to medium private businesses by providing start-up and other loans, by removing strangling regulations, by reducing corporate and capital gains taxes, by closing loopholes for other tax areas…these are all basic axioms within the GOP platform.

ETAB on August 17, 2012 at 11:58 AM

At this point I think that Obama would like to cage Biden and put him on the roof of his car. At the very least, this sudden Biden vacation in Delaware is a metaphorical “putting Biden in chains” and the cry of the populace should be: “FREE JOE BIDEN.”

stefano1 on August 17, 2012 at 12:08 PM

If you want a good laugh on this fine Friday go over to American Thinker and click on the cartoon.

Shows a babbling Biden in a wheelchair—”They gonna put you in chains, we’ll win in NC in the 20th century”

Guess who is pushing Biden off the cliff? Obama

Good stuff…

bailey24 on August 17, 2012 at 12:08 PM

Consider the possibility that Biden has become ill. That seems to me to be a possibility given his performance. What if Obama has to replace him? Who is there? John Kerry? Not Harry Reid. Not Nancy Pelosi. Diane Feinstein? Andrew Cuomo? The pickings are not that great. I’d guess John Kerry.

levi from queens on August 17, 2012 at 9:44 AM

John F’n Kerry is one of the few who would accept, because he’s got nothing else. He’s more or less at the end of his career, and he would never win the nomination again. The problem is that he brings nothing.

For a real game-changer, little Bammie needs a woman.

slickwillie2001 on August 17, 2012 at 12:11 PM

Personally, I think the choice of Biden as VP is probably the one truly brilliant decision BO has made since he decided to run for president.

Yes, Joe is a dumbass and yes Joe is prone to making stupid comments (BO is “clean”, Iowa students test better than DC because they have less black kids, etc.). But those are small prices to pay when you consider what he brings to the table: BO picked the one guy (and I think that is literally the one guy) who was so bad, so incompetent, so inept that even the most ardent extremist (be it white supremacist, terrorist, etc.) would think twice before even considering taking BO out. The fear of a President Joe protects BO.

OrbeaRider66 on August 17, 2012 at 10:08 AM

I see this thought regularly on the intertubes, and it’s just nonsense in so many ways. First, it’s the political left in the USA that shoots politicians. Second, it was a stupid choice because slow Joe is totally useless to little Bammie. He can’t act in the tough guy role because he’s too unreliable and dimwitted.

Third, it’s wrong that he would be worse than little Bammie. I’d trade little Bammie for Joe in a heartbeat. I’m really not sure which of them is smarter, but Joe for damn sure really does love our country and respect our Constitution and form of government. Joe is not driven by malice and hatred and racism like little Bammie is.

slickwillie2001 on August 17, 2012 at 12:16 PM

Ed Klein’s sources…ha.
Gotta wonder what will you guys make up and believe tomorrow.

verbaluce on August 17, 2012 at 12:31 PM

Del Dolemonte on August 17, 2012 at 11:28 AM

The Ryan family isn’t a reliable source of information on the Ryan family business? Ok…..

Yes or no question: Was the Ryan family business built on government contracts?

libfreeordie on August 17, 2012 at 11:35 AM

Sorry, Dear, but deflection won’t work here. Your original claim was that the article you linked to had “links to government reports”, and I simply proved you were Lying about that. There was in fact only one link to a government report. Most of the rest were to Leftist websites.

By the way, what you quaintly refer to as “crony capitalism” between private industry and the government is a direct result of increased layers of government regulation, which your Party owns and loves.

Democrat Lyndon Johnson climbed into bed with KBR (later a part of Halliburton) in 1936, or 5 years before Dick Cheney was even born. And when she died a few years ago, his widow Lady Bird was still on their Board.

Johnson’s decades-long association with KBR and Halliburton did build his family business, and did build it by government contracts.

Now, care to tell us how the Kennedy Family Business made their money?

Del Dolemonte on August 17, 2012 at 12:39 PM

I like this kind of gossip. It shows how much more interested you weirdos are in anything but rMoney. Ryan’s gym routine, Joe’s colorful shenanigans. Anything to help ease the pain of coming to terms with the fact that nobody likes your dude.

tommyhawk on August 17, 2012 at 11:43 AM

Smells like Teen Spirit in here.

Del Dolemonte on August 17, 2012 at 12:40 PM

levi from queens on August 17, 2012 at 9:44 AM

John F’n Kerry is one of the few who would accept, because he’s got nothing else. He’s more or less at the end of his career, and he would never win the nomination again. The problem is that he brings nothing.

For a real game-changer, little Bammie needs a woman.

slickwillie2001 on August 17, 2012 at 12:11 PM

No, Thurston has something else; he has his eyes on Hillary’s job. If by some chance O’bama wins in November, my guess is that she’s gone.

Del Dolemonte on August 17, 2012 at 12:42 PM

Rings correct. HC’s best 2016 shot is vs. an R incumbent.
She need not share the blame, or get caught in the crossfire.
************
OT

Imagine the ventilation that is going to occur after the Big D , Big Lie Fail?

Possible we will see some serious media personality turnover too.

Unable to sustain an audience,
unable to control the narrative.
At some point these media properties have to look at the bottom line.

Reflect the genuine concerns of the people,
the audience finds you. Otherwise it is simply subsidized BS.
Likely won’t be much cash flow for that,
after the coming Big Fail.

PaleoRider on August 17, 2012 at 12:43 PM

Ed Klein’s sources…ha.
Gotta wonder what will you guys make up and believe tomorrow.

verbaluce on August 17, 2012 at 12:31 PM

.
For the best sources…… Watch the move 2016 this weekend.

FlaMurph on August 17, 2012 at 12:47 PM

livefreeonotherpeoplesdime,,

Uncontroled self mocking is a sad mental state.

Seek Help from say a local Church’s near you, free help line, you know one of those places normal people go rather than suck off the public dole like you commie Democrats all do.

Other than that any chance your that lame former conserveative blogger Charles Johson doing his lunch lady inpersonations here?

From An Apache who does not care for your silly crap.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on August 17, 2012 at 12:49 PM

“Bill Clinton was, I’m told, urging his wife to accept decline the number two slot. He saw this as a great launching pad for her for running in 2016.”

More like it.

roy_batty on August 17, 2012 at 12:54 PM

Biden was chosen for the ticket in 2008 purely as “impeachment insurance” because Obambi KNEW what he intended to try and do and NO ONE in their right mind would impeach him – creating President Biden. Now, the O-team is stuck with this albatross hung about their necks. They DO NOT want Hillary, as she is a consummate politician, not to mention – you get Willy too.

I think back to the 2008 VP debate, when Joe “won” by pulling numbers out of his nether regions and spouting BS long enough for the press to declare him so, although Sarah wiped the floor with him.

Against Ryan, the “he’s a moron” meme falls flat – he’s too well-known as a VERY smart dude, even to the people who disagree with his positions.

Biden may ACTUALLY break into tears, just think of it – an on-screen meltdown.

PJ Emeritus on August 17, 2012 at 12:54 PM

Smells like Teen Spirit in here.

Del Dolemonte on August 17, 2012 at 12:40 PM

Nice Nirvana reference.

John the Libertarian on August 17, 2012 at 1:18 PM

Over at the Obama camp it’s smells like old teen spirit and desperation.

Minnfidel on August 17, 2012 at 1:27 PM

And Bayh would have been a better choice in 2008, too.

I live in Indiana, and have since before Bayh’s father (Birch) was our Senator. Bayh simply is neither radical enough nor stupid enough to be VP with Zero. Although I disagree with him in a number of areas, I know he is not a choice Zero would want, nor would Bayh want to be on Team Obama.

IrishEyes on August 17, 2012 at 2:09 PM

Yes or no question: Was the Ryan family business built on government contracts?

libfreeordie on August 17, 2012 at 11:35 AM

In looking at their own website History, the answer is “No”…they started out in the late 1800s as a company building embankments for railroads. You seem to forget that the vast majority of America’s railroads were privately capitalized and thus privately built. As were many of our roads.

As it grew, it added road work and mining in the early 1900′s. By the 1940′s the Company had become a full-service grading contractor serving both private industrial and public transportation customers, including some of the original work at what would become O’Hare Airport. During the 1970′s and 1980′s, Ryan expanded its services to include landfill construction and waste remediation, and in the 1990′s added golf course construction.

I would think a Leftist Tree Hugger like yourself would approve of what Ryan Inc. does:

Ryan Incorporated Central is one of the nation’s pioneers in wetlands construction. We have been building wetlands since 1990. In 1994, we built one of the first commercial wetland banks. Since then, we have built wetlands ranging in size from less than an acre to over fifty acres across the Midwest and the Mid-Atlantic.

Ryan Incorporated Central is one of the nation’s most experienced environmental contractors, with an extensive resume of new landfill construction as well as remediation and closures. Since the early 1980′s when we completed some of the first lined landfills and Superfund projects in the country, we have completed hundreds of landfill and remediation projects. Error-free workmanship and on-time completion are critical on landfill and closure projects. Quality is our foremost concern on every waste project we perform no matter how tight the schedule or difficult the conditions. We are proud that we contribute to safe waste disposal in technologically advanced landfills and to remediation solutions that protect our environment.

Yup, Pure Evil!

Some of the other non-government stuff they do:

Commercial and office parks, shopping malls, big box and strip centers, distribution centers, manufacturing facilities, and assembly plants along with related highway interchanges and entrance roads.

And remember, those “related highway interchanges and entrance roads” are not your precious “government funded infrastructure”. They are privately financed.

FAIL

Del Dolemonte on August 17, 2012 at 2:22 PM

Smells like Teen Spirit in here.

Del Dolemonte on August 17, 2012 at 12:40 PM

Nice Nirvana reference.

John the Libertarian on August 17, 2012 at 1:18 PM

Over at the Obama camp it’s smells like old teen spirit and desperation.

Minnfidel on August 17, 2012 at 1:27 PM

Well, I couldn’t think of any Rage Against the Machine Lyrics…

Del Dolemonte on August 17, 2012 at 2:23 PM

There are less than 12 weeks to go until that blessed evening when we can tell Obama, Hillary, Debbie, Nancy, Janet, Michelle and assorted other liberal women to

Fluke Off

Just thought I’d vent a little. Because I can see November from my house. It’s so close I can touch it. Viva Palin!

spiritof61 on August 17, 2012 at 2:48 PM

Excellent. The snake eats its own tail. Obama’s narcissistic idiocy come back to haunt him as the campaign rolls on and the one person he would need to rely on as a surrogate cannot even be let out in public for fear of stoking more anti-Democratic rage.

Now he has to campaign all on his lonesome while still “running” the Executive, a full-time job (well, for other presidents it was). He will not be able to keep up with the pace. Michelle alienated Oprah and the media is starting to second-guess their activist hand in the previous election.

Mitt, on the other hand, has a bevy of surrogates and an ultra-competent VP nominee to rely on.

This race may become one of endurance.

StubbleSpark on August 17, 2012 at 3:09 PM

I LOVE that Hillary as Bride of Chucky pic.

Too funny.

aquaviva on August 17, 2012 at 3:16 PM

I have to agree about the comment regarding Evan Bayh in the update. He would have been a better choice than Biden. However, I don’t think there is anything Obama could do to convince Bayh to join him on the ticket. Bayh sees himself as presidential material in 2016, and could only be tarnished if he were associated with Obama. I actually think his judgement is right about that. He represents a brand of Democrat who doesn’t scare the crap out of most of the country. Why should he join Obama now when a Bayh/Cuomo ticket would be so much more powerful in 2016, not being associated with the current guy?

I am not saying I especially like either Bayh or Cuomo, mind you. I am just saying that they would be considered serious candidates who stand a good chance of winning, and represent different policies than Obama does in many areas. And they don’t scare the crap out of everyone.

Warmest regards,
Dr. Urchin

DrUrchin on August 17, 2012 at 3:24 PM

The vice-presidential debate is going to be glorious…

Shump on August 17, 2012 at 9:24 AM

I seriously doubt it. The so-called “debate” is too carefully controlled an event to provide the stark contrast you’re hoping for. Plus, the moderator will be very protective of Biden. And there will only be one debate.

Biden is no worse now than he was in 2008. He’s just less able to hide it. Most observers who were familiar with him snickered at the idea of Biden as VP from the beginning.

It’s still hilarious to remember that he was added to the ticket to give Obama more gravitas.

tom on August 17, 2012 at 3:29 PM

The media has been going in on Obama campaign mis-steps. What do you want? Them to demand college transcripts?

libfreeordie on August 17, 2012 at 11:24 AM

I want them to do their damn jobs and vet the candidates. They didn’t do that in 2008 with Obama. It would be nice if they did it now. But I know better than to depend on such insanely biased sources… so I seek my news elsewhere, and am a MUCH more informed voter and citizen!

dominigan on August 17, 2012 at 4:44 PM

she said “tarred”…..she said….”tarred”….

is that like being “angry”?

/toure’

ted c on August 17, 2012 at 9:58 AM

The proper Toure’ Syndrome reaction…

It’s a racist reference to Uncle Remus and the Tar Baby – that’s what it is!

Drained Brain on August 17, 2012 at 10:01 AM

Obviously an attempt at the “ni**erization” of Hillary.

Solaratov on August 17, 2012 at 5:24 PM

Ryan biography is a story of the effective relationship between the state and industry. What more could liberals want from a nominee?

libfreeordie on August 17, 2012 at 10:13 AM

So, you’re saying that you’ve decided to vote for Romney/Ryan. Is that correct, liveasaslaveanddie?
A wise choice.

Solaratov on August 17, 2012 at 5:39 PM

But again, all of this makes sense. Ryan has inherited wealth earned by a company that grew fat on government contracts. And we know how the right feels about the processes that go into deciding who gets public contracts. What’s the word again crony-something?

libfreeordie on August 17, 2012 at 10:27 A

You can’t possibly be that stupid, can you? Even being the rank lickspittle that you are.

You be sure to let us know when a Ryan ‘bundler’ get a half-billion dollar handout/”loan” from the government, guaranteed by the government, repaid by the taxpayers — all at no expense to the ‘bundler’ (except for the kickbacks to lil barry, of course).

Solaratov on August 17, 2012 at 5:48 PM

You feel sorry for me? Don’t bother.

VegasRick on August 17, 2012 at 10:46 AM

Nah. It’s just trying to be condescending. Or, liveasaslaveanddie is fantasizing about groping you. It certainly isn’t able to empathize with anyone – except possibly other racists.

Solaratov on August 17, 2012 at 5:58 PM

but no one genuinely believes Holder et al are responsible for the death of Brian Terry. And the right’s attempt to pin that death on Holder comes off as just as petty and ridiculous as the SuperPac ad accusing Romney of causing that woman’s cancer.

libfreeordie on August 17, 2012 at 10:48 AM

However, liveasaslaveanddie, Romney didn’t send cancer cells to ‘that woman’. Holder, on the other hand shipped guns to the cartels to arm their killers.
There is a rather big difference there, liveasaslave.

Solaratov on August 17, 2012 at 6:02 PM

But again, all of this makes sense. Ryan has inherited wealth earned by a company that grew fat on government contracts. And we know how the right feels about the processes that go into deciding who gets public contracts. What’s the word again crony-something?

libfreeordie on August 17, 2012 at 10:27 A

You can’t possibly be that stupid, can you? Even being the rank lickspittle that you are.

You be sure to let us know when a Ryan ‘bundler’ get a half-billion dollar handout/”loan” from the government, guaranteed by the government, repaid by the taxpayers — all at no expense to the ‘bundler’ (except for the kickbacks to lil barry, of course).

Solaratov on August 17, 2012 at 5:48 PM

Don’t waste your time, the Leftist Unit is not designed to respond in that area.

Earlier in the thread I mentioned Democrat Lyndon Johnson’s decades long association with Halliburton and KBR, which makes Dick Cheney’s association with the firm chump change.

But let’s not forget some other Inconvenient Truths:

1. Between 1000 and 2011, a corporation owned by the obscenely rich Trophy Wife of thew Democrat Gigolo from MA who ran for President in 2004 got $144,547,859 in US military contracts.

2. Sen. Dianne Feinstein’s husband was a major beneficiary of military appropriations blessed by a subcommittee that she headed, Metro Newspapers reports this week.

Feinstein (D-Calif.) acted in apparent conflict of interest while approving billions of dollars in military construction expenditures, according to an investigative story by award-winning journalist Peter Byrne. The story was published jointly in the North Bay Bohemian and Metro Silicon Valley weekly newspapers this week.

Following Feinstein’s participation at the legislative level, large contracts were awarded to two firms — URS Corporation and Perini Corporation — that were controlled by an investment group headed by the senator’s spouse, financier Richard C. Blum.

From 2001 to 2005, URS earned $792 million from military construction and environmental cleanup projects approved by MILCON; Perini secured $759 million from MILCON projects.

Attorney Michael R. Klein, a Feinstein legal adviser and long-time Blum business partner, also served as vice-chairman of Perini’s board of directors. In an interview with Byrne in September, Klein stated that, beginning in 1997, he routinely informed Feinstein about specific federal projects coming before her in which Perini had a stake. The insider information, Klein said, was intended to help the senator avoid conflicts of interest. Although Klein’s admission was intended to defuse the issue of Feinstein’s conflict of interest, it instead exacerbated it, and Sen. Feinstein did in fact vote on legislation that affected Perini and URS.

But it’s only “Bad” when Rethuglicans do it!

Del Dolemonte on August 17, 2012 at 6:27 PM

As someone who enthusiastically supported Palin in 2008 (but who now thinks she’s not a great spokesperson for conservatives), I found it funny how the usual Palin worshipers were thanking Sarah Palin for her comments the other day, as if Palin had somehow made it impossible for Obama select Hillary. Obama would do what he wants, regardless of what Palin says. The only people who take Palin very seriously are those who are already a lock to vote against Obama and for Romney/Ryan. Palin was simply trying to get a little revenge by saying Biden is a “drag on the ticket” and should be replaced. Palin obviously is still smarting from 2008 when she was called a “drag on the ticket” and not up to the job. Her comments this week were payback for her own personal satisfaction.

Now we see that Hillary reportedly wouldn’t take the job.

Poor Barack Obama is stuck with a loser like Joe Biden. Couldn’t have happened to a nicer guy.

We look forward to November 6 when Barack Obama is shown the door.

bluegill on August 17, 2012 at 7:37 PM

Obama-Kardashian… to sew up the clueless vote.

Colony14 on August 17, 2012 at 7:54 PM

Pretty good timing in the GLobe cover photos of Hillary dirty dancing with another woman

These tabloids are interconnected, and each uses a formula for targeted audiences. In the past, one did damage control for then Prez Bill Clinton, by running a clever pre emptive exposee on Bill flirting with stewardesses that softened coming accusations.

The first confession has the most legs

Hillary’s Cartagena dirty dancing was not covered although it was also known to the MSM. Too close to the SecretService hooker scandals. Yep for some reason, someone needs to adjust the Sec of State, or at least, adjust public opinion to carefully laid info

Whatever it takes to open the wellstream of sympathy, empathy, or to test for apathy

On the other side of the coin, Obama has already used H Clinton to gain H Clinton supporters. He could do it again if it would gain him the Mother of All Second Terms

entagor on August 19, 2012 at 4:34 PM

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