Gaffe-tastic week for Biden fuels speculation of Hillary swap

posted at 10:41 am on August 16, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

He’s in North Carolina when he’s in Virginia.  He thinks Paul Ryan is governor of … one of the states numbered 51 through 57.  He’s not even clear in which century he’s living.  He’s Joe Biden, and he’s one heartbeat away from the Presidency.  Or will he be for long?  The week’s misadventures for Sheriff Joe have some wondering whether he’s medically qualified for the job, and speculation rising anew that the possessor of that hygienic heartbeat may want to find someone else to square off against Paul Ryan in the October debates.

Before we get to that speculation, here’s a measure of just how bad the problem has become.  Jonathan Martin reports from the road that Joe Biden’s staff has begun imploring the pool reporters to edit Biden’s remarks:

His staff’s response is effectively to try to save Biden from himself. During the Virginia trip reporters were hustled out of retail campaign stops in diners and other intimate settings, aides tried to edit media pool reports for any potential landmines that could be seized on by Republicans and even hovered at close range to eavesdrop on journalists’ conversations with attendees at Biden rallies. …

What’s perhaps most striking about the Biden staff’s attempts at press management is its effort to influence what goes in the pool reports from his off-schedule stops. Because the entire press corps cannot easily jam in, say, a diner or private home, it is standard practice to have a single designated reporter take notes and share the material with colleagues from other news organizations. These reports are designed entirely for the media, but are distributed by White House staffers. In the case of Obama, as with his predecessors, the reports are simply forwarded without comment by email to a news media distribution list.

But on two occasions during Biden’s Virginia trip, his staff sought to have certain elements in the reports highlighted while reporters drafted them and discussed the contents with the reporters after the summaries had been sent but before they had before sent to the broader media.

Staffers spinning reporters to frame events the best they can is, of course, commonplace in politics. But attempting to intervene in the drafting of accounts that reporters share with one another is all but unheard of and reflects the deep concern Biden’s team has about offering any fodder to the opposition.

Jim Geraghty muses skeptically on the possibility of a Hillary-for-Biden change:

Of course, a sudden Biden departure won’t happen and can’t happen, for a couple of reasons. First, it would require President Obama to admit a mistake. Secondly, it would de facto concede that the critics who deride Biden as an ill-informed, tactless, often obnoxious, loudmouthed, bloviating rhetorical time-bomb have been right all along. Thirdly, no one would believe the “sudden health crisis” or other story put forth to explain the switch. Fourth, there’s no automatic slam-dunk replacement. Think Hillary Clinton wants to jump in two months before Election Day to help save Obama from his own bad decisions?

She might if she were asked, and it might be exactly what Obama needs.  Hillary would connect with the exact voter demographic that has abandoned Obama — working-class white voters, as well as shore up his standing among women.  Of course, Biden is supposed to connect with working-class white voters too, but his racial dog-whistle in Danville has probably scotched that connection for good. And that one was no gaffe.

Count John Fund among the skeptics:

The White House has to worry that for the next 82 days Joe Biden will be under tremendous scrutiny — especially given the fact that Paul Ryan has become such a media-attention magnet. Everyone is anticipating the October 11 debate between Biden and Ryan. Biden’s penchant for off-the-cuff remarks doesn’t inspire confidence that he won’t unintentionally blurt something out when facing Ryan. For example, he embarrassed the Obama administration recently by prematurely revealing he was “comfortable” with gay marriage — forcing his boss to suddenly endorse gay marriage on a timetable not of his choosing.

Biden’s erratic statements certainly should make Team Obama nervous. I’ve no doubt that some Democratic strategists would love for Biden and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton to swap jobs and bolster the Democratic ticket with a little Clinton magic. But there’s no evidence that Hillary would take that deal. If she wants to run, she is already the front-runner for the 2016 Democratic nomination and would gain no advantage by being yoked to Obama, her old adversary, for the next three months if they lost or the next four years if they won.

The Weekly Standard says that if it happens, today might be the day.  The presidential schedule has a propitious convergence:

10:15AM THE PRESIDENT and THE VICE PRESIDENT receive the Presidential Daily Briefing

Oval Office

                        Closed Press

10:45AM THE PRESIDENT and THE VICE PRESIDENT meet with Secretary of State Clinton

Oval Office

                        Closed Press

12:30PM THE PRESIDENT and THE VICE PRESIDENT meet for lunch

Private Dining Room

                        Closed Press

I don’t think a switch is in the offing, because I think that Sarah Palin all but poisoned the option this week:

Sarah Palin said Tuesday that Vice President Joe Biden’s remark that Republicans “are going to put y’all back in chains” was “disgusting” — and added that it should make the Obama campaign seriously consider kicking him off the Democratic ticket.

The former GOP vice presidential candidate told Fox News’s Greta Van Susteren that Biden’s comment at a Tuesday rally in Danville, Va., should mark “the nail in the coffin” for the vice president.

“There weren’t enough groans and boos when he said such a disgusting comment, really, especially to a demographic there that includes 48 percent of the community being black Americans,” Palin said Tuesday night. “Greta, if that’s not the nail of the coffin. Really the strategists there in the Obama campaign have got to look at a diplomatic way of replacing Joe Biden on the ticket with Hillary.

“And I don’t want to throw out that suggestion and have them actually accept the suggestion because then an Obama/Clinton ticket would have a darn good chance of winning. But really Joe Biden really drags down that ticket,” Palin added.

After that well-publicized challenge, Obama wouldn’t dare take her advice and dump Biden from the ticket.  Even a medical reason would look like a panicked, defensive move at this point, especially after this week’s nonstop series of VP bungling on the campaign trail.  We’re more likely to see a Biden apology than a withdrawal, and I don’t think that’s likely at all.  The last convention purge of an incumbent VP from a ticket came in 1944, and only because Henry Wallace had become an open admirer of Joseph Stalin — and thankfully, we ended up with a President Truman rather than a President Wallace.

Obama’s stuck with Biden.  That’s actually bad news for everyone, but fortunately American voters can keep Biden from being one heartbeat away from the presidency in November.


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Let’s watch Biden stepping down for medical reasons, and Preezy EO-ing a new interim-VP/candidate !!
Holy Constitution, batman !!
Hey, with him ya never know !

pambi on August 16, 2012 at 12:58 PM

Why does everyone assume Clinton would say yes? Instead of tarnishing her reputation by being associated with Obama as more than the Secretary of State, she might be more inclined to sit on the sidelines and gear up for 2016.

And unless its Clinton, Obama is not replacing Biden.

milcus on August 16, 2012 at 12:59 PM

A few more of my faves from suggested Biden replacements:

Cynthia McKinney, University of Southern California

“Her son’s charge by the Department of Defence was to process 5,000 bodies that had received a single bullet wound to the head, and these were mostly males…The data about these individuals was entered into a Pentagon computer. And, then reportedly the bodies were dumped in the swamp in Louisiana…I have verification from insiders, who wish to remain anonymous (of course)…at the Red Cross (Because clearly, the Red Cross would be deeply involved in such a plot – RWM)

- Cynthia “Face-Palm” McKinney

“Why did they not warn the innocent people…who were needlessly murdered?” In other words, the Bush administration knew these people were going to be murdered and they did nothing about it. She also adds that “persons close to this administration are poised to make huge profits off America’s new war…We know there were numerous warnings of the events to come on September 11th. . . . What did this administration know and when did it know it, about the events of September 11th? Who else knew, and why did they not warn the innocent people of New York who were needlessly murdered? . . . What do they have to hide?…I am not aware of any evidence showing that President Bush or members of his administration have personally profited from the attacks of 9-11. A complete investigation might reveal that to be the case.”

- Cynthia McKinney (Don’t say it. I am not debating your Truther theories again…thermite…nano-thermite…nono-kryptonite).

And, le pièce de résistance…

Marion Barry, Fisk University

“I am clearly more popular than Reagan. I am in my third term. Where’s Reagan? Gone after two! Defeated by George Bush and Michael Dukakis no less.”

- Former 4-term Mayor, convicted felon, and currently serving his 4th term on the DC City Council, Marion Barry

Resist We Much on August 16, 2012 at 12:59 PM

If Hillary joins the ticket, will she bring her “Reset” button with her? Just asking…

golfer1 on August 16, 2012 at 12:59 PM

Sure. That’s how it will play out. Fox wins! Romney wins! Yeah. That’s how its going to go.

Sheesh. The delusion. It hurts.

Rational Thought on August 16, 2012 at 12:26 PM

Just so we understand each other, we’re both speculating on network calculations, not reality. You think the networks would run with the Obama bomb, I think they’d give it the time the time it deserves, certainly, but not at the expense of cutting off coverage of the Republican convention. And possibly missing the biggest nomination story of the year if Romney actually wins the election. Where’s their relevance after that, especially during a Romney administration. That’s how I think the networks would think about it.

Repeat, we’re both second-guessing the networks, what they might do given the hypothetical scenario of Obama dumping Biden (which I don’t believe is a viable scenario to begin with, see above at 12:44 PM.).

No delusions that this is an uphill fight for Romney, no delusions about this election at all. It will be a near-run thing right up to the end. Then, who knows?

de rigueur on August 16, 2012 at 12:59 PM

@thehill: White House says Obama is sticking with @VP Biden as running mate (by @amieparnes) http://t.co/6uEzrFqw

Over 400 comments on a thread that appears to have been for naught.

Flora Duh on August 16, 2012 at 1:00 PM

Hillary turns 65 in late October. She’ll be 69 for the 2016 campaign.

I can’t imagine her running for president at that age. The SoS position has aged her incredibly. …

Grace_is_sufficient on August 16, 2012 at 12:45 PM

Just gotta pipe up here and say that Ronald Reagan was 69 in 1980, so…

Mary in LA on August 16, 2012 at 1:01 PM

Hillary probably would not take the offer.
- If Obama loses then that is negative on her if she wants to run in 2016.
- Michelle hates Hillary.
- Bill Clinton would love it.

albill on August 16, 2012 at 1:02 PM

Maybe this is why Biden said that we’re in the “20th century”.

Schadenfreude on August 16, 2012 at 1:03 PM

I predicted long ago on this blog that Andrew Cuomo would replace Biden on the ticket, for “medical reasons” of course.

Logic on August 16, 2012 at 1:04 PM

Over 400 comments on a thread that appears to have been for naught.

Flora Duh on August 16, 2012 at 1:00 PM

If you believe that HA comments are read by those who are, um, interested in reading them… yours and Resist We Much and others had to be sending shudders up the spines of anyone contemplating a Biden dump. Maybe you turned the tide!

de rigueur on August 16, 2012 at 1:04 PM

Sarah Palin all but poisoned the option this week:

Yes she did. Thank you Sarah Palin, again.

cozmo on August 16, 2012 at 10:56 AM

Brilliant move, Gov.

If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles.
If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat.
If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.
Sun Tzu – 514 B.C.

Green eyed Lady on August 16, 2012 at 1:04 PM

Did

Palin cut off escape route?

Beautiful.

PappyD61 on August 16, 2012 at 12:49 PM

I’m no Palinista, but wow–that woman is crazy like a fox.

God bless her for not running. She’s much better suited to the role of Republican Renegade getting the first blow in… ;-)

Grace_is_sufficient on August 16, 2012 at 1:06 PM

Just gotta pipe up here and say that Ronald Reagan was 69 in 1980, so…

Mary in LA on August 16, 2012 at 1:01 PM

I know, but compare Reagan at age 69 to Hillary now, age 64.

No comparison. The SoS job has aged her significantly.

Grace_is_sufficient on August 16, 2012 at 1:07 PM

And this, my friends, shows why Palin should not be running for the White House. “I don’t want to throw that suggestion out there” because they might win, but I’m going to do it anyway.”

[silvernana on August 16, 2012 at 10:54 AM]

I’ve sympathized with some of your arguments on this subject, but when you quote Palin, um, get it effin’ right, will ya!

Here is exactly what she said: I don’t want to throw out that suggestion and have them actually accept the suggestion because then a Obama Hillary Clinton ticket would have a darn good chance of winning but really Joe Biden really drags down that ticket.”

You’ve totally changed not only what Palin said, but also what she implied and most people inferred from it, by casting it the way you want to and putting it in quotes.

I can agree that Palin could have said it a tiny bit better, but she did not say what you are trying to make people believe she said.

Dusty on August 16, 2012 at 12:54 PM And this, my friends, shows why Palin should not be running for the White House. “I don’t want to throw that suggestion out there” because they might win, but I’m going to do it anyway.”

[silvernana on August 16, 2012 at 10:54 AM]

I’ve sympathized with some of your arguments on this subject, but when you quote Palin, um, get it effin’ right, will ya!

Here is exactly what she said: I don’t want to throw out that suggestion and have them actually accept the suggestion because then a Obama Hillary Clinton ticket would have a darn good chance of winning but really Joe Biden really drags down that ticket.”

You’ve totally changed not only what Palin said, but also what she implied and most people inferred from it, by casting it the way you want to and putting it in quotes.

I can agree that Palin could have said it a tiny bit better, but she did not say what you are trying to make people believe she said.

Dusty on August 16, 2012 at 12:54 PM

“And I don’t want to throw out that suggestion and have them actually accept the suggestion because then an Obama/Clinton ticket would have a darn good chance of winning. But really Joe Biden really drags down that ticket,” Palin added.

And this, my friends, shows why Palin should not be running for the White House. “I don’t want to throw that suggestion out there” because they might win, but I’m going to do it anyway.”

silvernana on August 16, 2012 at 10:54 AM

You have just done what you accused me of. You left off the part where I directly highlighted her exact quote. We all read her quote, I reprinted it, and then shortened my explanation. See directly above. Nice try! How about you get it “effin” right.

silvernana on August 16, 2012 at 1:08 PM

Reagan in 1980 looked healthy as though he could go another twenty or so years. Chopping wood, riding horses… even Hinckley in ’81 only slowed him down a few months.

Hillary looks exactly like the wild hippie excesses, Mafia lifestyle and graft of herself and Slick have finally taken their physical toll. Like Keith Moon in Tommy. Running on fumes.

viking01 on August 16, 2012 at 1:10 PM

as reported the vp pick makes no difference, now does it?

losarkos on August 16, 2012 at 1:10 PM

Shut up!

silvernana on August 16, 2012 at 11:53 AM

***blink***

I think we should have yearly Hot Air Comment Awards, you know, a handful of those Top Ten Lists? This would be in one of my Top Ten.

RushBaby on August 16, 2012 at 1:10 PM

The story was, in 2008, Obama gave Biden a choice — either VP or Sec. of State. He took VP. Hillary was left with State. If this is a true story, then what kind of leadership is that? It didn’t matter to Obama whether Biden was VP or Sec of State? His choice? REALLY?

Paul-Cincy on August 16, 2012 at 1:11 PM

silvernana on August 16, 2012 at 1:08 PM

You’re protesting too much.

22044 on August 16, 2012 at 1:14 PM

silvernana on August 16, 2012 at 1:08 PM

You’re protesting too much.

22044 on August 16, 2012 at 1:14 PM

So I should just ignore when someone misquotes me in an accusation against me? Is that what you would do?

silvernana on August 16, 2012 at 1:17 PM

I know, but compare Reagan at age 69 to Hillary now, age 64.

No comparison. The SoS job has aged her significantly.

Grace_is_sufficient on August 16, 2012 at 1:07 PM

Reagan in 1980 looked healthy as though he could go another twenty or so years. Chopping wood, riding horses… even Hinckley in ’81 only slowed him down a few months.

Hillary looks exactly like the wild hippie excesses, Mafia lifestyle and graft of herself and Slick have finally taken their physical toll. Like Keith Moon in Tommy. Running on fumes.

viking01 on August 16, 2012 at 1:10 PM

You’re both right on that score. President Reagan was, in fact, in excellent health going into the election and through most of his Presidency, and his age was only controversial because the MFM wanted to make it so. Remember how beautifully he shut that down during the Presidential debate?

“I want you to know that also I will not make age an issue of this campaign. I am not going to exploit, for political purposes, my opponent’s youth and inexperience.”

Pure gold! Even Mondale laughed. :-)

*sighs a little*

Anyway, my point is that at 69 Hillary wouldn’t be too old to serve as President. Your point is that she’s too old to get elected. We’re probably all in agreement on both points. :-)

Mary in LA on August 16, 2012 at 1:19 PM

silvernana on August 16, 2012 at 1:17 PM

It’s a Hot Air comment board for crying out loud, not life or death.

22044 on August 16, 2012 at 1:19 PM

Over 400 comments on a thread that appears to have been for naught.

Flora Duh on August 16, 2012 at 1:00 PM

That could describe most threads, right? And, if it’s true they’re not replacing him? Whew. I’d much rather have Biden in that slot.

changer1701 on August 16, 2012 at 1:19 PM

It’s a Hot Air comment board for crying out loud, not life or death.

22044 on August 16, 2012 at 1:19 PM

So again I ask, I shouldn’t respond and clarify my statement when accused of something? Funny, I see people on here doing that all the time.

silvernana on August 16, 2012 at 1:21 PM

looks like the “fix” is in, Biden admits to having several cranial aneurysms at a campaign rally:

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=439_1345130027

it’s shocking that this man was a heartbeat away from the presidency, he clearly is medically incapacitated

golembythehudson on August 16, 2012 at 1:22 PM

@thehill: White House says Obama is sticking with @VP Biden as running mate (by @amieparnes) http://t.co/6uEzrFqw

Over 400 comments on a thread that appears to have been for naught.

Flora Duh on August 16, 2012 at 1:00 PM

Barry’s narcissism will make him think that he can win re-election by himself. After all, he is Barry the Magnificent. He will never allow history books to write that he needs Hillary to save his re-election.

But all these squirrels running around took attention away from the bad economy, unemployment rate of 8.3 %, 1 trillion dollars deficits and national debts hitting 16 trillion, at least for yet another few days.

bayview on August 16, 2012 at 1:24 PM

So again I ask, I shouldn’t respond and clarify my statement when accused of something? Funny, I see people on here doing that all the time.

silvernana on August 16, 2012 at 1:21 PM

If you must, but referring to herd mentality and Palin worship won’t get folks to pay attention, even if that is your perception.

22044 on August 16, 2012 at 1:24 PM

The week’s misadventures for Sheriff Joe…

For a moment, let’s talk about a different Sheriff Joe… Sheriff Joe Arpaio, Sheriff of Maricopa Country, Arizona.

That Sheriff Joe was the first law enforcement official in this country to seriously investigate the documents that Obama has released, and the official law enforcement organization found:

EXHAUSTIVE INQUIRY LEADS TO NEW INFORMATION
SHERIFF’S INVESTIGATORS:
“PRESIDENT’S LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE IS UNDOUBTEDLY A FRAUD”

For those of you with any Information Technology experience at all, I highly encourage you to read the Comprehensive Analysis. Simply put, a legitimate scan of a legitimate document would ALWAYS produce exactly ONE 1-bit layer, and one to many 8-bit color layers. The PDF that was put on the White House web site, however, is a composite (not unlike his “composite” autobiography) which has EIGHT 1-bit layers, including separate and distinct layers for the stamp and seal.

The PDF is UNDOUBTEDLY A FRAUD.

I don’t know exactly what he is hiding, but I think it’s obvious that he is hiding SOMETHING. His birth narrative, as told, is not 100% true.

Keep this in mind as the Democrats decide who would take his place if he is found ineligible.

ITguy on August 16, 2012 at 1:24 PM

If you must, but referring to herd mentality and Palin worship won’t get folks to pay attention, even if that is your perception.

22044 on August 16, 2012 at 1:24 PM

Well okay then, if you say so.

silvernana on August 16, 2012 at 1:27 PM

@thehill: White House says Obama is sticking with @VP Biden as running mate (by @amieparnes) http://t.co/6uEzrFqw

Over 400 comments on a thread that appears to have been for naught.

Flora Duh on August 16, 2012 at 1:00 PM

Oh. Thank. God. I am SO HAPPY to be wrong.

Rational Thought on August 16, 2012 at 1:27 PM

Oh. Thank. God. I am SO HAPPY to be wrong.
Rational Thought on August 16, 2012 at 1:27 PM

I’m happy u were wrong, too, but it was a rational thought, Rational Thought.

gracie on August 16, 2012 at 1:30 PM

Speaking of gaffes…

“What about your gaffes..?” – Reports shouting questions to Mitt Romney in Poland on hollowed ground.

… Where are the questions for Biden?

Seven Percent Solution on August 16, 2012 at 1:32 PM

@thehill: White House says Obama is sticking with @VP Biden as running mate (by @amieparnes) http://t.co/6uEzrFqw

So, Hillary said no ??
////

pambi on August 16, 2012 at 1:33 PM

Guess that First Officer slot with Captain Smith didn’t look too good in retrospect, eh Mr. Murdoch?

spiritof61 on August 16, 2012 at 1:34 PM

<liberalism>
C’mon, knock all this racism off! Just because he’s the VP of a “White African American” President doesn’t mean you can just ridicule him!! Quayle said worse.

And you know it was his African American dialect and you were really offended by!

</liberalism>

– Endless source of amusement that liberals tell me what I “know deep down” to be true. The “Psychic Liberal” routine never gets old.

– You know, I think it would be cool–if geeky–to have a t-shirt: “</liberalism>”

Axeman on August 16, 2012 at 1:35 PM

Thinking about upside/downside for Hillary, you can’t assume that if little Bammie somehow pulls it out by massive vote theft, that the result is upside for Hillary.

Win or not, little Bammie is marked as an incompetent failed president, and any further association with him only hurts Hillary. Hillary has nothing to gain from joining the ticket, and much to lose.

slickwillie2001 on August 16, 2012 at 1:38 PM

I’m happy u were wrong, too, but it was a rational thought, Rational Thought.

gracie on August 16, 2012 at 1:30 PM

K

LOL

idesign on August 16, 2012 at 1:44 PM

Barry will do whatever it takes to get reelected, Palin or not.

Philly on August 16, 2012 at 1:46 PM

If that hag does replace Biden, I think her flat screeching voice would turn away voters as bad as Sloe Joe.

Atleast Joe (the slack jawed yokel) is intertaining in some sickeningly retarded 3 stooges way.

I think Obamugabe might keep ol’ goofy Joe so he will have something to blame his impending loss by landslide on.

Joe Biden == Ron Burgandy

esnap on August 16, 2012 at 1:46 PM

@thehill: White House says Obama is sticking with @VP Biden as running mate (by @amieparnes) http://t.co/6uEzrFqw

It’s early yet–And NFL teams are never in negotiations with the people they deny they’re in negotiations with.

Axeman on August 16, 2012 at 1:47 PM

Bill Clinton’s speech at the convention becomes potentially more interesting by the minute.

wolfsDad on August 16, 2012 at 1:49 PM

You have just done what you accused me of.

Really? I added quotes around something you didn’t say and passed it off as your words?

You left off the part where I directly highlighted her exact quote.

I accused you of leaving off something? No, I accused you of adding something she didn’t say.

We all read her quote, I reprinted it,

Yeah, no kidding.

and then shortened my explanation. See directly above.

No, you added what you wanted to hear and tried to pass it off as a quote of Palin’s. Only now are you selling it was your mangled explanation.

Nice try! How about you get it “effin” right.

[silvernana on August 16, 2012 at 1:08 PM]

I got it exactly right.

Dusty on August 16, 2012 at 1:58 PM

Oh. Thank. God. I am SO HAPPY to be wrong.

[Rational Thought on August 16, 2012 at 1:27 PM]

Bookmark it. I still have a feeling we will be able to use this post later.

Dusty on August 16, 2012 at 2:01 PM

Look at Drudge. He is really stirring the pot. Heh, heh, heh.

Rational Thought on August 16, 2012 at 2:07 PM

Bookmark it. I still have a feeling we will be able to use this post later.

Dusty on August 16, 2012 at 2:01 PM

Oh, I am certain to be wrong again in the future. And I’ll say so. I’m not barack.

Rational Thought on August 16, 2012 at 2:09 PM

One final thought on this.

Obama is not going to make a change.

You know why? This is why:

Because any amount of time the press, pundits, and blogs focus on slow Joe is time they’re not focused on him.

Joe Biden in cannon fodder.

Nuff said.

WisRich on August 16, 2012 at 2:09 PM

in sb is

WisRich on August 16, 2012 at 2:10 PM

Really? I added quotes around something you didn’t say and passed it off as your words?

I got it exactly right.

Dusty on August 16, 2012 at 1:58 PM

No, you omitted the direct quote of hers I highlighted from the article. Again, you did what you accused me of doing. You didn’t get it right! The last sentence was sarcasm. You are not going to accuse me of something I didn’t do and get by with it.

silvernana on August 16, 2012 at 2:12 PM

Hilary would have to be stupid to share the ticket with O. Clinton is many things, but I sincerely doubt she is stupid.

bitsy on August 16, 2012 at 2:14 PM

One final thought on this.

Obama is not going to make a change.

You know why? This is why:

Because any amount of time the press, pundits, and blogs focus on slow Joe is time they’re not focused on him.

Joe Biden in cannon fodder.

Nuff said.

WisRich on August 16, 2012 at 2:09 PM

Great point! You are absolutely right.

Rational Thought on August 16, 2012 at 2:15 PM

Could Paul Ryan be RICK LAZIO?

Hillary played the victim in the debate to THAT EVIL MAN Rick Lazio…….could the Dems do the same to Paul Ryan?

PappyD61 on August 16, 2012 at 2:22 PM

MontanaMmmm on August 16, 2012 at 2:24 PM

I am redundant.

MontanaMmmm on August 16, 2012 at 2:30 PM

If they are even thinking about it, you will be able to tell by Biden’s schedule. If he is “disappeared” and then surfaces to give only prepared remarks before base crowds once every two weeks, then things are shaky. If he’s allowed to wing it day after day, then everything is OK. After all, when you have the MSM covering your 6 a gaffe now and then is really no big deal.

Fred 2 on August 16, 2012 at 2:44 PM

I don’t think a switch is in the offing, because I think that Sarah Palin all but poisoned the option this week:

Ya gotta love Sarah Palin.

tom on August 16, 2012 at 2:48 PM

http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/presidential-campaign/243983-white-house-says-obama-is-sticking-with-biden-as-running-mate#disqus_thread

MontanaMmmm on August 16, 2012 at 2:24 PM

The funny thing is that the WH felt compelled to say anything at all re: Biden. Why did they even acknowledge the controversy? It must have been on their mind and the reason for the meeting with both Hillary and Joe. SP did cut them off at the pass. I heard Carney say a snarky thing re: McCain not being the best judge of a VP running mate…..she is still in their heads. And she has helped secure the WH for the Republicans in 2013 with a single backhanded slap.

gracie on August 16, 2012 at 2:51 PM

The real reason Biden is safe is because Obama is incapable of admitting any mistake, ever.

But Palin was brilliant to bring up the scenario which had been openly discussed in the press and online almost since the Inauguration, it was indeed the poison pill once it came from her. If I were her adviser, my only advice would have been for her to demand Obama replace Biden. That would have nailed the door shut and bricked it in.

Adjoran on August 16, 2012 at 2:54 PM

If she wants to run, she is already the front-runner for the 2016 Democratic nomination

Hillary was the clear front-runner for the 2008 Democratic presidential nomination too. How’d that work out for her? She was out-manuevered in the primaries by an undistinguished, first-term junior senator and former (failed) community organizer.

Hillary’s a dope, and she’s only slightly less embarrassing than Biden.

AZCoyote on August 16, 2012 at 2:54 PM

Step one: Health problems.

Step two: Hillary.

Health problems give plausible deniability, blowing all the it-will-never-happen punditry out of the water.

Watch.

ConservativeLA on August 16, 2012 at 2:58 PM

In Ohio, Ryan zings Biden over latest gaffe…

“It is great to be here in North Canton, or as Joe Biden might say, it’s great to be here in Nevada.”

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/243953-paul-ryan-teases-biden-over-virginia-north-carolina-mixup

Green eyed Lady on August 16, 2012 at 2:59 PM

Previous anyeurisms give perfect cover.

ConservativeLA on August 16, 2012 at 3:00 PM

Seems to me Barry is perfectly comfortable with a brain dead guy for a VP. After all, what has Joe done for 3 1/2 yrs except gaffe? So if he’s still out there saying stupid stuff or nothing at all because he’s in a coma, even better!

gracie on August 16, 2012 at 3:08 PM

Barry wants a fool like Biden, but he needs to pull an October surprise now. Tanking in the polls. Wanting an ineffectual fool as a sidekick is trumped by needing to pull an electoral hail mary:

Hillary.

ConservativeLA on August 16, 2012 at 3:15 PM

21 days and counting … obama has until September 6 to drop Biden …

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/obama-has-22-days-drop-biden_650014.html

Pork-Chop on August 16, 2012 at 3:21 PM

Hillary played the victim in the debate to THAT EVIL MAN Rick Lazio…….could the Dems do the same to Paul Ryan?

PappyD61 on August 16, 2012 at 2:22 PM

Good reference. I was a Lazio supporter (a good politician but too excitable). He was sandbagged. I think Ryan is savvier and more grounded to let it happen to him.

rrpjr on August 16, 2012 at 3:23 PM

Make that September Surprise.

ConservativeLA on August 16, 2012 at 3:29 PM

Just gotta pipe up here and say that Ronald Reagan was 69 in 1980, so…

I was in my 30s when Ronald Reagan was inaugurated. Believe me, Hillary Clinton is no Ronald Reagan. At any age.

hachiban on August 16, 2012 at 3:40 PM

Make that September Surprise.
ConservativeLA on August 16, 2012 at 3:29 PM

That would be the Democratic Convention. Perhaps Team O will be dropping the O.

gracie on August 16, 2012 at 3:54 PM

Carney: Biden will stay, we won’t take VP ‘advice’ from McCain – TheDC

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/#ixzz23k1Qy3OE

CW on August 16, 2012 at 4:03 PM

What a picture. Obama sitting on the sofa, Hillary and Michelle doing the bump. Life is good.

elm on August 16, 2012 at 4:10 PM

So, since everything Biden said is perfectly acceptable, can we assume that the next time he is on Jimmy Fallon, CNN, The Daily Show, etc. they will play him on with “Chain of Fools”?

Droopy on August 16, 2012 at 4:13 PM

Hillary turns 65 in late October. She’ll be 69 for the 2016 campaign.

I can’t imagine her running for president at that age. The SoS position has aged her incredibly. …

Grace_is_sufficient on August 16, 2012 at 12:45 PM
Just gotta pipe up here and say that Ronald Reagan was 69 in 1980, so…

Mary in LA on August 16, 2012 at 1:01 PM

I’m starting to be of the opinion that we need an amendment to modify the age restrictions for Executive and Supreme Court. Something like, 45 min and 70 max to be elected to Pres/VP; 50 min and 75 max to be on SCOTUS. I also wouldn’t mind removing lifetime appointments from all courts. People who are sheltered in these jobs tend to lose touch with reality.

Nutstuyu on August 16, 2012 at 4:42 PM

Never happen. Dems adore Biden….

Hillary is done. Have any of you really looked at her lately? Please.

Redford on August 16, 2012 at 4:51 PM

The only way I can see Mrs Clinton joining-in is if here is a deal between her and Mr Obama by which Mr Obama becomes “ill” after, say, 6-months and then resigns to recuperate.

Whilst I can imagine that Mr Obama wants a second election victory for the sake of his ego, I can’t imagine he actually wants the job for another four years.

So, with this sort of bait-and-switch presidency both of them would get what they want.

YiZhangZhe on August 16, 2012 at 4:53 PM

what is with you people?? hillary will not win this election. no one abandoning 0bama is gonna come back because hillary is theVP.

chasdal on August 16, 2012 at 10:56 AM

Not true. I know one voter who is not planning on voting for Obama, but will vote for him if he puts Hillary on the ticket. She even wished she could vote for Hillary in November for Secretary of State. So there is one vote that would switch. I am sad to say its somebody that doesn’t follow politics much and needs to learn more. Its my mom.:(

This is a good attempt by Palin and McCain to stop Obama from making a switch at VP that would gain him about 3% in real votes IMO. It might not stop him, but it was worth a try.

KMav on August 16, 2012 at 4:57 PM

Now that Carney and company have flat-outed denied a hail Mary VP pick, I doubt it’ll happen. It would just be another lie in Obama’s history of lies.

The Romney commercials on Hillary–including bits from the 2008 campaign, video of Jay Carney denying it, etc–write themselves.

Grace_is_sufficient on August 16, 2012 at 4:58 PM

Obama must have been hours/days from making this decision and
then a chess move by Palin gummed up the works.

What people need to remember is that there are millions of Dem voters who think Obama stole the election away from Hillary.
They were good dem soldiers and voted for Obama in 2008, however, after 4 years of Obama’s crapola they are not inclined
to vote for him again. However, if Obama put Hillary on the ticket Obama would more than likely shore up those votes.

Amjean on August 16, 2012 at 5:10 PM

Jonah Goldberg has a good column on Gaffe-tastic Joe and some digs at his sidekick Obama: the Goofus and Doofus of D.C. Take your pick which is which.
http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/298785/big-ing-joker-jonah-goldberg

onlineanalyst on August 16, 2012 at 5:15 PM

No, you omitted the direct quote of hers I highlighted from the article. Again, you did what you accused me of doing. You didn’t get it right! The last sentence was sarcasm. You are not going to accuse me of something I didn’t do and get by with it.

silvernana on August 16, 2012 at 2:12 PM

No kidding, I omitted what was in the above that everyone could see, including me. You added the rest, in quotes, just like the media does but inserted what you wanted it to be not what actually happened. The added, not omitted, is my complaint, which has to be checked for accuracy.

When you’re called on it, you feigned the I interpreted it to simplify it for you defense. Now you’re calling it sarcasm.

Fake but accurate. I get it.

And I appreciate you letting me know you’ll probably continue your methods in the future.

Dusty on August 16, 2012 at 5:32 PM

Did Palin cut off the escape route?

The only thing I’m grateful to Dear Leader for was keeping Shrillary out of the presidency.

If she goes back to Westchester, dons her Yankees ball cap and runs again, she will be elected again. That is just so sad to me.

Dr. ZhivBlago on August 16, 2012 at 5:53 PM

The Biden gaffe that was missed:
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2012/08/just-when-you-think-joe-biden-couldnt-be-worse.php

Joe is making “flat out guarantees” about Social Security.

onlineanalyst on August 16, 2012 at 6:04 PM

silvernana on August 16, 2012 at 1:08 PM

If Odumbass dumps Biden for Hillary, it will be despite Palin’s suggestion, not because of it.

Walter Sobchak on August 16, 2012 at 6:04 PM

Over 400 comments on a thread that appears to have been for naught.

Flora Duh on August 16, 2012 at 1:00 PM

Not at all. Obama would not have said a damm thing about Joe – why would he focus attention on Biden’s gaffes – if Palin had not forced him into it. He HAD to respond to a Palin taunt. His ego and his status with the leftoid babies demand that he put her down quick, with as much sneer and dismissing as he could, and of course do exactly the opposite of what she advised, just to show everyone, right? He doesn’t dance to Palin tunes. Moreover, he had to endorse Biden publicly by saying how satisfied he is with his VP.

Palin’s challenge changed the focus and accomplished many things in one fell swoop:

Attention is now even more focused on Biden and his liabilities,
Obama will have to defend his VP more vigorously and don’t imagine RR won’t take the opportunity to make that happen. In fact Ryan has already started,
O cannot have Hillary now without looking weak and indecisive and being manipulated by Palin, whom NOBODY is supposed to care about, except it is obvious they still do,
If RR were at all concerned about a late Hillary bid for the ticket, they can relax,
O will have to play defence on this instead of staying on whatever message his campaign is about.

Mittens should send Sarah a big bunch of flowers for what she has done for them this week.

Ozwitch on August 16, 2012 at 10:03 PM

CUDA

SparkPlug on August 16, 2012 at 10:29 PM

Mittens should send Sarah a big bunch of flowers for what she has done for them this week.

Ozwitch on August 16, 2012 at 10:03 PM

He ought to give her the prime speaking spot at the convention in Tampa for this. But they won’t.

theotherone on August 16, 2012 at 10:32 PM

Sarah Palin all but poisoned the option this week:

Yes she did. Thank you Sarah Palin, again.

cozmo on August 16, 2012 at 10:56 AM

Brilliant move, Gov.

If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles.
If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat.
If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.
Sun Tzu – 514 B.C.

Green eyed Lady on August 16, 2012 at 1:04 PM

Thank
You
Sarah
Palin

SparkPlug on August 16, 2012 at 10:49 PM

Never happen. Dems adore Biden….

Redford on August 16, 2012 at 4:51 PM

They really don’t. And as I said in the other thread, he’d be better off replacing Biden with one of the younger, pretty senators like Gillibrand, Klobuchar, Cantwell or Landrieu. Gets him the “Historic!” label back. and helps the party move past its baby boomers.

alwaysfiredup on August 17, 2012 at 12:20 AM

Hey Joe, don’t take a stroll through any DC park with Hillary…

Gohawgs on August 17, 2012 at 12:57 AM

Biden is done. He’ll be in hiding ’til November. He’ll have a very small role at the Convention, then he will be out of sight until the debates, which the campaign will just have to pray he doesn’t completely screw up.

If Romney wins (please God), Biden will be at home in Delaware with a chew toy, watching the trains go by until January.

If Obama wins a 2nd term, Biden will be replaced after November. It won’t be Hillary, but it really doesn’t matter to Obama who he picks as he’ll be busy taking a blowtorch to what’s left of the Constitution with no consequences for picking an ideologue or a placeholder VP. Hell, he could pick Van Jones and the outcry would make no difference to him. This is all about getting past November 6.

Palin’s move boxed him in perfectly and left him no options to cut Joe loose without looking like a move of utter panic and having to admit ‘Palin was right.’

Obama never apologizes and he never, ever admits he was wrong.

Either way, Biden is finished.

Dave in San Diego on August 17, 2012 at 6:12 AM

What is it you folks think is so great about this suggestion by Palin? Any dumb thing she does is okay. And don’t condescend to me and call my comment a third grade rant. Some of you can’t get past your Palin worship to even admit she screwed up.

silvernana on August 16, 2012 at 11:04 AM

You are right about the Palin worship.

quick note: isn’t it “final nail in the coffin” or “another nail…”? Sigh, Sarah…

“Greta, if that’s not the nail of the coffin. Really the strategists there in the Obama campaign have got to look at a diplomatic way of replacing Joe Biden on the ticket with Hillary.

“And I don’t want to throw out that suggestion and have them actually accept the suggestion because then an Obama/Clinton ticket would have a darn good chance of winning. But really Joe Biden really drags down that ticket,” Palin added.

We doubt that her main objective was to “box in” Obama or “poison the well” in order to take away the Hillary option option from him. Obama would have gone with Hillary this year, regardless, if that’s what he wanted to do, which apparently he doesn’t. No, what Palin is doing is giving a payback of sorts for her own personal satisfaction. Remember the calls that Palin be replaced on the 2008 ticket after she had those tv interview stumbles? Remember how she was described by many as a drag on the ticket? Palin is getting her revenge and trying to give Biden the same treatment, even though she probably doesn’t believe there is any chance of the switch happening.

bluegill on August 17, 2012 at 6:28 AM

Sarah Palin all but poisoned the option this week:

Yes she did. Thank you Sarah Palin, again.

cozmo on August 16, 2012 at 10:56 AM

The Palin worship is strong in this thread. Sigh. Um, I think you’re exaggerating the significance of her comments.

Obama isn’t going to say, “oh, darn, my plans are foiled! Sarah Palin just said I should pick Hillary, so now I can’t go along with my plan of choosing Hillary, lest I be seen as taking orders from that Sarah Palin woman! Drats! I’d have gotten away with it, too, if it weren’t for that meddling Sarah Palin.”

Not enough people (outside a small, core base of supporters who are already dead set on voting against Obama) take Palin at all seriously for Obama to care about what she has to say.

bluegill on August 17, 2012 at 6:38 AM

Not enough people (outside a small, core base of supporters who are already dead set on voting against Obama) take Palin at all seriously for Obama to care about what she has to say.

bluegill on August 17, 2012 at 6:38 AM

Shame you don’t have the decency to just thank Palin for helping elect your hero.

That one comment of hers has done more to help Romney get elected than all your cheerleading on Hot Air.

tom on August 17, 2012 at 3:40 PM

Did Palin cut off the escape route?

Yes, she owns him. Rent Freaking Free Baby!

Bmore on August 17, 2012 at 8:51 PM

bluegill on August 17, 2012 at 6:38 AM

I see you have been chowing down on bread balls again. Full yet?

Bmore on August 17, 2012 at 8:53 PM

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