NC college has problems with definitions

posted at 10:41 am on August 15, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

Yes, I realize that we’ve nearly exhausted our outrageous outrage over the Chick-fil-A controversy, which started over some bad reporting at CNN and exploded into two national movements, one of which got thoroughly outclassed by the other in every imaginable way.  That doesn’t mean the pettiness over the underlying issues has ceased, as The Daily Caller reports today. Davidson College in North Carolina has blocked Chick-fil-A from participating in a series of monthly events … in order to demonstrate Davidson College’s “inclusiveness.”

No, I’m not kidding:

Students led a petition to ban the restaurant chain from monthly “After Midnight” events — free food and entertainment events from midnight to 2 a.m. run by the Union Board, a student activities organization. The nighttime events sometimes feature Chick-fil-A sandwiches.

The Union Board has decided not to schedule Chick-fil-A sandwiches until they get more feedback from students. …

Union Board president Adriana Nassar and vice president Cameron Joe claim they are trying to create an inclusive environment for the student body.

“The Davidson College Union Board is firmly committed to building an inclusive community that serves each member of our student body,” Nassar and Joe said in a joint statement Monday.

Let’s take a look at both sides.  The owner of the business on one side has an opinion on the definition of marriage that has been the standard for thousands of years, which was so universal that the current liberal in the White House professed it repeatedly in his last campaign and only changed his public position on it three months ago.  Despite this opinion, the business itself welcomes and serves job seekers regardless of sexual orientation, and even passed out free water to protesters a couple of weeks ago.

The other side — in this case, specifically Davidson College — refuses to welcome a business owned by someone with a different opinion on this matter, implicitly demanding that anyone who wants to do business with the college must agree with its own position or find itself barred from campus.

Which one of these fits the definition of “inclusive“?

Oh, and there’s also this issue:

“Davidson College is an institution of higher learning established in 1837 by Presbyterians of North Carolina. Since its founding, the ties that bind the College to its Presbyterian heritage, including the historic understanding of Christian faith called The Reformed Tradition, have remained close and strong. The College is committed to continuing this vital relationship” —Davidson College Constitution (.pdf), Preamble, Statement of Purpose.

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“Marriage is a gift God has given to all humankind for the well-being of the entire human family. Marriage is a civil contract between a woman and a man. For Christians marriage is a covenant through which a man and a woman are called to live out together before God their lives of discipleship. In a service of Christian marriage a lifelong commitment is made by a woman and a man to each other, publicly witnessed and acknowledged by the community of faith” — from the Book of Order (.pdf) (or constitution) of the Presbyterian Church in the USA.

• • •
So, if Dan Cathy’s views are identical to those of the Presbyterian Church, to which Davidson College maintains “close and strong” ties, what exactly is the problem with serving Chick-fil-A meals on campus?

Remember when colleges actually taught knowledge and logic?  Or at least understood English?  Here’s a hint to the academics at Davidson: If you’re excluding in the name of “inclusiveness” or acting intolerant in the name of “tolerance,” you’re doing it wrong.


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“I’m not sure you know what that word means”.

Priceless.

itsspideyman on August 15, 2012 at 10:42 AM

A history of marriage would clearly dispute it’s christian origin but i don’t disagree that pigs can’t fly and it’s between opposite sexes. Has there ever been a case in recorded history of a marriage between members of the same sex? That is until the welfare state made it very profitable to be married?

aniptofar on August 15, 2012 at 10:45 AM

I guess George Orwell is now the Dean of Davidson College if the definition of “inclusiveness” is “excluding people who don’t agree with your point of view.”

teke184 on August 15, 2012 at 10:46 AM

Cross them off the visit list.

ctmom on August 15, 2012 at 10:49 AM

Adrianna Nassar and Cameron Joe? O_o

AubieJon on August 15, 2012 at 10:49 AM

A history of marriage would clearly dispute it’s christian origin but i don’t disagree that pigs can’t fly and it’s between opposite sexes. Has there ever been a case in recorded history of a marriage between members of the same sex? That is until the welfare state made it very profitable to be married?

aniptofar on August 15, 2012 at 10:45 AM

No one said marriage originated with Christianity.

Nutstuyu on August 15, 2012 at 10:49 AM

The idiot misspoke – he meant to say: collective.

OldEnglish on August 15, 2012 at 10:50 AM

OT: Move.org ad — wait for it… Romney is a ‘racist’, ‘in lock step’

Dems have now hit for the cycle – murder, felonies, cancer, and now racism.

faraway on August 15, 2012 at 10:50 AM

And no, not even the extremely sexually decadent and deviant societies of ancient Greece and Rome had same-sex marriage.

Nutstuyu on August 15, 2012 at 10:50 AM

Ahh, college kids and their indoctrinators. What are you gonna do…

warden on August 15, 2012 at 10:51 AM

Indoctrinaten is hard work!

NotCoach on August 15, 2012 at 10:51 AM

nuance.

ted c on August 15, 2012 at 10:51 AM

There are a lot of words that don’t mean what libs think they mean.

Such as diversity. If diversity doesn’t include EVERYONE, including white male heterosexual Christian conservatives and our ideas, then it doesn’t exist.

And this is something that is considered HERESY to say today but I’m going to:

The left worships at the altar of considering all cultures and civilizations “equal”. Yet you can’t name for me one country that wasn’t founded on the ideas of those “white guys” (namely Judeo Christian values) that didn’t turn out to be one huge craphole. If African civilization, for example, was so awesome why is it that the entire continent, which contains more natural riches than any other, is one huge rotting hellhole?

wildcat72 on August 15, 2012 at 10:51 AM

There is only one goal here, silence. You will not be allowed to profess in any public manner the idea that a same sex union is not marriage. If you do your livelihood will be targeted.

Rocks on August 15, 2012 at 10:51 AM

Davidson blew it… but they do have a great classical music station on the web.

Laurence on August 15, 2012 at 10:52 AM

I’m eating an UggggggMcMuffin right now

tomas on August 15, 2012 at 10:52 AM

Let ‘em keep whipping it up Ed…

CFA ain’t hurt and it exposes the undecideds to the Lunatic Fringe base of Barack Obama…..

Ladies and Gentlemen this was not the hope you were looking for…..

harlekwin15 on August 15, 2012 at 10:54 AM

Presbyterian colleges are independent, non-sectarian institutions with historic ties to one or more branches of the Presbyterian Church.

It is a little unfair to link Davison with the PC(USA)’s Book of Order. Davidson is Presbyterian by heritage it is not run by the denomination.

Happy Nomad on August 15, 2012 at 10:54 AM

Hate: any opinions or ideas of Christians

faraway on August 15, 2012 at 10:54 AM

A history of marriage would clearly dispute it’s christian origin but i don’t disagree that pigs can’t fly and it’s between opposite sexes. Has there ever been a case in recorded history of a marriage between members of the same sex? That is until the welfare state made it very profitable to be married?

aniptofar on August 15, 2012 at 10:45 AM

Why don’t we come out and start the obvious on this point:

The purpose of marriage was for the bearing and raising of children by natural methods.

Shouldn’t that be front an center on the whole debate?

Chip on August 15, 2012 at 10:55 AM

Students led a petition to ban the restaurant chain from monthly “After Midnight” events — free food and entertainment events from midnight to 2 a.m. run by the Union Board, a student activities organization.

Do establishments participating in this “After Midnight” sell their product to the Student Union at the normal price and is it held in the establishment, causing them to remain open after normal hours?

Cindy Munford on August 15, 2012 at 10:56 AM

Davidson is Presbyterian by heritage it is not run by the denomination.

Happy Nomad on August 15, 2012 at 10:54 AM

How is it that Leftists have taken over Christian colleges?

faraway on August 15, 2012 at 10:57 AM

All this does is give me a craving for some Chick-fil-A. The only problem is that my local CFA franchise is always packed.

Nice backfire, intolerant POS libs.

BuckeyeSam on August 15, 2012 at 10:57 AM

There is only one goal here, silence. You will not be allowed to profess in any public manner the idea that a same sex union is not marriage. If you do your livelihood will be targeted.

Rocks on August 15, 2012 at 10:51 AM

Unfortunately for the queers, God (or if they prefer, Darwin or Gaia) has played a cruel joke on them: No matter how much “equality” their so called “marriages” are declared to have, their unnatural unions will NEVER procreate offspring.

Which is why it’s a sham and an utter joke to call those “marriages”.

wildcat72 on August 15, 2012 at 10:57 AM

Drudge:

A former four-term Democratic congressman from Alabama and one time strong supporter of President Barack Obama will campaign for Mitt Romney Wednesday.

A Romney campaign aide confirms to CNN that Artur Davis will stump for the presumptive Republican presidential nominee in the battleground state of Virginia.

faraway on August 15, 2012 at 10:58 AM

All this does is give me a craving for some Chick-fil-A. The only problem is that my local CFA franchise is always packed.

Nice backfire, intolerant POS libs.

BuckeyeSam on August 15, 2012 at 10:57 AM

CFA Appreciation Day is but a taste of what’s coming on Election Day.

I suspect I’m going to be in a long line to vote that day. I know for sure I am chomping at the bit for that day to come and we can kick that non-American out of OUR house.

wildcat72 on August 15, 2012 at 10:59 AM

Why don’t we come out and start the obvious on this point:

The purpose of marriage was for the bearing and raising of children by natural methods.

Shouldn’t that be front an center on the whole debate?
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Marriage is an agreement between two people and sometimes two families. That doesn’t mean it is for procreation only.

aniptofar on August 15, 2012 at 10:59 AM

The purpose of marriage was for the bearing and raising of children by natural methods.

Chip on August 15, 2012 at 10:55 AM

Goddammit! And I thought it’s so I could sleep with my wife every day, and children are just a side effect. Someone should’ve told me.

Archivarix on August 15, 2012 at 11:02 AM

Inclusiveness = agreeing with me.

Any college student who is dumb enough to turn down free food – good free food at that – is too dumb to be hired for any meaningful job.

bw222 on August 15, 2012 at 11:02 AM

How is it that Leftists have taken over Christian colleges?

faraway on August 15, 2012 at 10:57 AM

FWIW:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Davidson_College

In early 2005, the College’s Board of Trustees voted in a 31-5 decision to allow 20% of the board to be non-Christian.

BuckeyeSam on August 15, 2012 at 11:03 AM

it’s easy to be “tolerant” … to others who agree with you!!

Sachiko on August 15, 2012 at 11:03 AM

faraway on August 15, 2012 at 10:57 AM

Kind of flies in the face of that non-inclusive, radical, bible thumping, wrath of God portrait, doesn’t it?

Cindy Munford on August 15, 2012 at 11:03 AM

Pull their federal funding for religious discrimination.

gwelf on August 15, 2012 at 11:03 AM

get the H8 off the plate, you motha flukeing right wing extremists

Slade73 on August 15, 2012 at 11:04 AM

Marriage is an agreement between two people and sometimes two families. That doesn’t mean it is for procreation only.

aniptofar on August 15, 2012 at 10:59 AM

Wrong.

The reason why SOCIETY has an interest in recognizing and encouraging it IS procreation.

We need more people (the Baby Boomers facing the impending bankruptcy of socialist security are wishing they’d had more kids right about now…).

Furthermore, we need more PRODUCTIVE people with good upbringings.

The most healthy environment for children is to be raised by their mother and father in a NORMAL family situation. Libs can lie about it all they want but it is not disputable that children brought up in NORMAL families are much more likely to grow up to be productive, NORMAL citizens than those in broken single parent (or no parent) homes.

NORMAL marriage is the best welfare program of all.

The problem for libs is they hate NORMAL. Productive, healthy people don’t need government. Which means they don’t need libs. So NORMAL marriages must be destroyed at all costs.

Why do I keep emphasizing the word NORMAL? It’s to tweak the homofascist crowd. No law, no platitude, no amount of political censorship can make this thing you WANT to call a “marriage” NORMAL.

Because it isn’t.

wildcat72 on August 15, 2012 at 11:05 AM

Inside every Leftist is a totalitarian dictator screaming to get out…

Wallythedog on August 15, 2012 at 11:06 AM

This just suggests the age for voting in this country is waaaay to low. Perhaps we should not allow college students to vote, because until they get into the real world, they live in the world of unicorns and pixie dust and very little of what they say or believe is much worth listening to, except for the humor of it all.

Zomcon JEM on August 15, 2012 at 11:06 AM

The same thing is being attempted at my alma mater, KU.

“Right now we are waiting and seeing what comments are coming in,” said Mark Reid, director of public affairs for KU Memorial Unions. “We are two years out with the end of our contract with Chick-fil-A right now. We are at a wait-and-see approach, talking to people on campus and off.”

From KU’s Nondiscrimination Policy: “Every member of the university community is expected to engage in action that leads towards the development of a more democratic and inclusive community.”

Unless they disagree with your beliefs…

Vyceloch on August 15, 2012 at 11:06 AM

Has there ever been a case in recorded history of a marriage between members of the same sex?

Yes.

http://anthropologist.livejournal.com/1314574.html

and the original article, recovered from the memory-hole

http://web.archive.org/web/20081012074220/http://www.colfaxrecord.com/detail/91429.html

NancyWhisky on August 15, 2012 at 11:07 AM

Doesn’t Davidson College have any faculty with
Native America heritage that can enlighten them??

ToddPA on August 15, 2012 at 11:07 AM

So, the operating principles (using the term loosely) of Davidson College are that if you have an unpopular opinion (the very purpose of the founding of this nation being to protect such), you must either change it or be silent.

This just doesn’t fit any valid definition of the original word “liberal”. It does, however, fit every description of the word “tyrannical”.

Don’t get lost in the details, this isn’t and never was about marriage. It’s about an on-going and increasingly open war against liberty of thought, and specifically against Christian faith.

Freelancer on August 15, 2012 at 11:08 AM

get the H8 off the plate, you motha flukeing right wing extremists

Slade73 on August 15, 2012 at 11:04 AM

Welcome. I’ve not seen you trolling before.

That all you got?

OT: Ryan is campaigning at his alma mater (Miami University, Oxford, Ohio) today. Picturesque campus. Look for some good scenes on TV and the Web today.

BuckeyeSam on August 15, 2012 at 11:09 AM

We are tolerant and inclusive… Unless you disagree with the left wing party line. Then we roll out the h8, the boycott, isolate, and vilify, ala Alinsky.

But do it with tolerance… or else

Kuffar on August 15, 2012 at 11:11 AM

“I’m not sure you know what that word means”.

Priceless.

itsspideyman on August 15, 2012 at 10:42 AM

NOOOOOOO…..

“My name is Inigo Montoya — you murdered my script lines — prepare to die.”

unclesmrgol on August 15, 2012 at 11:12 AM

This just suggests the age for voting in this country is waaaay to low. Perhaps we should not allow college students to vote, because until they get into the real world, they live in the world of unicorns and pixie dust and very little of what they say or believe is much worth listening to, except for the humor of it all.

Zomcon JEM on August 15, 2012 at 11:06 AM

I think that the right to vote shouldn’t be tied at all to age, but to other conditions:

You may vote, regardless of age, if you:

1. ARE a taxpayer (meaning that you end up paying more into the system than you get back).
2. ARE NOT on any form of government welfare that wasn’t the result of something you paid into for a minimum of 10 years (ie: social security and medicare).

If you are 16 and have a job, you can vote.

If you are 36 and live in government housing getting government checks eating government cheese and talking on a government cell phone you CANNOT vote.

If you are 66, worked for at least 10 years and are retired, on social security plus private savings/pension, you can vote.

wildcat72 on August 15, 2012 at 11:13 AM

Too many northeastern kids have discovered Davidson. The change in student body composition has hurt the school.

MTF on August 15, 2012 at 11:14 AM

…where’s turdfreeordie on this one?…passed out again?

KOOLAID2 on August 15, 2012 at 11:14 AM

Include me out.

Scriptor on August 15, 2012 at 11:14 AM

Has there ever been a case in recorded history of a marriage between members of the same sex?

Yes.

http://anthropologist.livejournal.com/1314574.html

and the original article, recovered from the memory-hole

http://web.archive.org/web/20081012074220/http://www.colfaxrecord.com/detail/91429.html

NancyWhisky on August 15, 2012 at 11:07 AM

Never forget that homosexuality amongst other deviancies (such as incest) was part of what rotted Greek and Roman civilization.

wildcat72 on August 15, 2012 at 11:15 AM

I figure on free-food nights, one particular restaurant supplies all the food for that event. Since some of the compassionate students take great issue with CFA’s anti-gay pro-marriage & pro-traditional family stance, these poor kids may choose not to eat the sandwiches and go hungry that night. (Wiping tears off keyboard).

If they were sensible, they would offer a variety of food choices for each event and let the individual students decide whether they wanted to eat a thoroughly delicious chicken sandwich or make a political statement and eat a half-cold burrito or wrap.

HoosierStateofMind on August 15, 2012 at 11:15 AM

They didn’t mean inclusive, inclusive.

KMC1 on August 15, 2012 at 11:15 AM

I wonder if the ultra-inclusive folks who practice the Islamic faith are allowed on the Davidson Union Board? What do you think, Miss Adriana Nassar – will you specifically denounce those Islamists who profess actual hatred against gays?

mdenis39 on August 15, 2012 at 11:15 AM

BuckeyeSam on August 15, 2012 at 11:09 AM

lolz, not trolling. Joking.

Do you see lots of lefty’s making fun of Sandra Fluketard?

Slade73 on August 15, 2012 at 11:16 AM

I’m really tired of the useful idiots called “students” and their equally idiotic college leaders who have destroyed one of the world’s best education systems in favor of mass indoctrination.

I’m all for razing every campus that has been tainted by liberalism and letting it be rebuilt, if ever, with private funds and donations severing all ties with government.

Liberalism/progressivism/communism should be outlawed.

darwin on August 15, 2012 at 11:16 AM

I wonder if the ultra-inclusive folks who practice the Islamic faith are allowed on the Davidson Union Board? What do you think, Miss Adriana Nassar – will you specifically denounce those Islamists who profess actual hatred against gays?

mdenis39 on August 15, 2012 at 11:15 AM

No way. Leftists love Islam for it’s inherent totalitarianism.

darwin on August 15, 2012 at 11:18 AM

I’m eating an UggggggMcMuffin right now

tomas on August 15, 2012 at 10:52 AM

Mochelle says it’s wrong and unpatriotic…

jimver on August 15, 2012 at 11:18 AM

The Self-Defeating Left

http://predicthistunpredictpast.blogspot.com/2012/08/the-self-defeating-left.html

M2RB: Ten Years After, Woodstock 40th anniversary festival

PS, Progs: Before you say a word about intolerance and hatred, take a look at the shirt one of your oh-so-tolerant-and-diversity-embracing friends is wearing at a CFA protest. You guys sure know how to win friends and influence people.

Resist We Much on August 15, 2012 at 11:19 AM

lolz, not trolling. Joking.

Do you see lots of lefty’s making fun of Sandra Fluketard?

Slade73 on August 15, 2012 at 11:16 AM

Tip. Use the sarc tag til people get to know you.

CW on August 15, 2012 at 11:19 AM

I can’t wait for ‘Take a CFA sandwich to the Voting Booth Day’!!!

faraway on August 15, 2012 at 11:19 AM

I highly doubt Chick-fil-a gives two numbers twos but whatever. My university I graduated from still serves it. Know why? Because its good food served by good workers who have nothing to do with the OPINIONS of their boss. Liberals are becoming the people they used to be against.

RDE2010 on August 15, 2012 at 11:20 AM

Not to long ago there was a big local controversy about the Davidson College police force… A woman was arrested by campus security for driving drunk near the school. She sued. The Court of Appeals found that Davidson College was a “religious institution” partly because the school’s bylaws require that 80% of the trustees are members of the Presbyterian Church and that having a police force was a violation of the First Amendment. The school appealed to the state supreme court and won eventually.

equanimous on August 15, 2012 at 11:20 AM

The reason why SOCIETY has an interest in recognizing and encouraging it IS procreation.

We need more people (the Baby Boomers facing the impending bankruptcy of socialist security are wishing they’d had more kids right about now…).

Furthermore, we need more PRODUCTIVE people with good upbringings.

The most healthy environment for children is to be raised by their mother and father in a NORMAL family situation. Libs can lie about it all they want but it is not disputable that children brought up in NORMAL families are much more likely to grow up to be productive, NORMAL citizens than those in broken single parent (or no parent) homes.

NORMAL marriage is the best welfare program of all.

The problem for libs is they hate NORMAL. Productive, healthy people don’t need government. Which means they don’t need libs. So NORMAL marriages must be destroyed at all costs.

Why do I keep emphasizing the word NORMAL? It’s to tweak the homofascist crowd. No law, no platitude, no amount of political censorship can make this thing you WANT to call a “marriage” NORMAL.

Because it isn’t.

wildcat72 on August 15, 2012 at 11:05 AM

Which is why the Catholic Church still stands against birth control (Pope Paul VI, Humane Vitae) because once you separate sex from its procreative aspects, all sorts of things happen, more pre-marital sex, more adultery and the shift of the basis of marriage.

catquilt on August 15, 2012 at 11:20 AM

Slade
So your a TROLL now huh, lol

angrymike on August 15, 2012 at 11:23 AM

Instead of banning CFA and running an opinion poll where the pollsters will probably argue with CFA supporters, let the restaurant attend and see what the crowd decides. The food is free, so banning it saves the local franchise owner money, if anyone thinks about it. True, the food giveaway might be considered promotional. But after the made-up stink from the left as well as the polling, liberals gave CFA free advertising.

Or are the liberals afraid to see what people really think by swamping the stand to get a sandwich?

Liam on August 15, 2012 at 11:23 AM

Tip. Use the sarc tag til people get to know you.

CW on August 15, 2012 at 11:19 AM

hehe

cool beans

Slade73 on August 15, 2012 at 11:23 AM

I highly doubt Chick-fil-a gives two numbers twos but whatever. My university I graduated from still serves it. Know why? Because its good food served by good workers who have nothing to do with the OPINIONS of their boss. Liberals are becoming the people they used to be against.

RDE2010 on August 15, 2012 at 11:20 AM

They have the best and friendliest service of any quick service restaurant.

CW on August 15, 2012 at 11:24 AM

Which is why the Catholic Church still stands against birth control (Pope Paul VI, Humane Vitae) because once you separate sex from its procreative aspects, all sorts of things happen, more pre-marital sex, more adultery and the shift of the basis of marriage.

catquilt on August 15, 2012 at 11:20 AM

Yep. I am Catholic. I don’t necessarily agree with their stance on birth control because in these times unless you are irresponsible and on welfare you can’t afford to HAVE all the children your wife can bear until menopause.

Then again, I’m unmarried and 40. By the time I GET hitched (if ever) procreation probably won’t be possible. A shame, because society would be a lot better off with me reproducing than a breeder in the projects.

wildcat72 on August 15, 2012 at 11:27 AM

The purpose of marriage was for the bearing and raising of children by natural methods.

Shouldn’t that be front an center on the whole debate?

Chip on August 15, 2012 at 10:55 AM

+1000

wildcat72 on August 15, 2012 at 11:05 AM

You too, wildcat72…

yubley on August 15, 2012 at 11:27 AM

I’m all for razing every campus that has been tainted by liberalism and letting it be rebuilt, if ever, with private funds and donations severing all ties with government.

You’re saying that basically, we should obliterate every college or university in North America. Better we should save the property, plant and equipment and just round up the all faculty, administrators, consultants, and other hangers on, hold a mass firing across the land, then hire non-ideologues without tenure and without recourse to government funds.

A mass firing is the only way we can loosen the stranglehold the Baby-boom, Gen-X and Gen-confused Red Diaper Babies have on our colleges and universities. Either that or the neutron bomb.

Scriptor on August 15, 2012 at 11:27 AM

Indoctrinaten is hard work!

NotCoach on August 15, 2012 at 10:51 AM

THREAD WINNER!!
But ToddPA was VERY VERY close…

Khun Joe on August 15, 2012 at 11:27 AM

They have the best and friendliest service of any quick service restaurant.

CW on August 15, 2012 at 11:24 AM

And the nice looking young ladies who usually provide the smiling service look like the types you can take home to Mom too.

wildcat72 on August 15, 2012 at 11:28 AM

My own theory is that students at Davidson are being secretly bribed by Chick-fil-A to keep Chick-fil-A off campus. This keeps Chick-fil-A in the news and is better than the most awesome advertising campaign conceivable. Take myself, for example. I never heard of Chick-fil-A before last month. As a result of the controversy, I used the Internet to locate one in a nearby city and now visit it regularly. If I am representative of any sort of national trend, this chain will be giving McDonald’s competition soon.

Of course, my friend who is liberal is completely clueless about the issue involved here. He thinks it’s about gay marriage or something. Oh, please. As Tea Party conservatives all understand, it has nothing whatsoever to do with gays. It’s all about fascism and whether a person is still allowed in our country to have his/her own point of view.

Burke on August 15, 2012 at 11:29 AM

I guess they wear Brown Shirts after midnight.

faraway on August 15, 2012 at 11:30 AM

I highly doubt Chick-fil-a gives two numbers twos but whatever. My university I graduated from still serves it. Know why? Because its good food served by good workers who have nothing to do with the OPINIONS of their boss. Liberals are becoming the people they used to be against.

RDE2010 on August 15, 2012 at 11:20 AM
They have the best and friendliest service of any quick service restaurant.

CW on August 15, 2012 at 11:24 AM

If you consider In-n-Out Burger a quick service restaurant, I suggest you give them a try in you are nearby for comparison sake… Try grilled onions on your burger…

Khun Joe on August 15, 2012 at 11:30 AM

Makes you wonder what else Davidson College has lied about.

Dusty on August 15, 2012 at 11:34 AM

Slade
So your a TROLL now huh, lol

angrymike on August 15, 2012 at 11:23 AM

…why use the sarc tag…it’s more fun when people think your serious and you know they haven’t been paying attention.

KOOLAID2 on August 15, 2012 at 11:39 AM

How is it that Leftists have taken over Christian colleges?

faraway on August 15, 2012 at 10:57 AM

How is directly proportional to why. It involves concepts most people do not want to think about, things that make them uncomfortable and embarrassed to say in public.

It genuinely involves conspiracy theories, intimidation, propaganda and indoctrination. And it genuinely ends with a Marxist Utopia. All along the way it involves genuinely gentle, kind, nice people who did not want to offend, who were deceived into accepting or tolerating various evil concepts so as not to be labelled intolerant or hateful.

As that noted religious heretic said 2000 years ago, “Don’t you understand, a little leaven will leaven the entire loaf“.

That my friend is how the leftists took over a Christian College, they took it over because moderate “Christian’s” let them. Moderates who decided that they, and not the Bible decided the moral and ethical standards of Christianity, that homosexuality was something that really wasn’t objectionable, and that taking a public stand for what the Bible actually said was far to embarrassing, since the Bible isn’t actually meant to be taken literally anyway.

SWalker on August 15, 2012 at 11:40 AM

Typical of liberal, closeted, close-minded, self-aggrandizing, “academia”. Most couldn’t hold a competitive job in the outside world and really don’t have a single clue. Legends in their own minds.

ultracon on August 15, 2012 at 11:41 AM

“I highly doubt Chick-fil-a gives two numbers twos but whatever.”

[RDE2010 on August 15, 2012 at 11:20 AM]

Maybe, but then again, I think that would be contrary to to Cathy’s character. The larger point, though, is that the local Chick-Fil-A franchisee may and that, bottom line is who, along with the franchisee’s employees, Davidson College is screwing with their intolerant “inclusiveness”. And to hold them hostage while threatening to shoot them if Cathy doesn’t repent his sin of not agreeing with them, is despicable.

Dusty on August 15, 2012 at 11:42 AM

Either that or the neutron bomb.

Scriptor on August 15, 2012 at 11:27 AM

I vote for the neutron bomb… Much less clean up required afterwards.

SWalker on August 15, 2012 at 11:43 AM

Mochelle says it’s wrong and unpatriotic…

jimver on August 15, 2012 at 11:18 AM

Mooch cajoles, screeches, lectures, and scolds. She never just speaks. It is not in the dynamic of this angry black woman trapped in an angry black woman’s body.

Happy Nomad on August 15, 2012 at 11:44 AM

NancyWhisky,

Get an Orthodox Christian perspective on this. The Greek word for this love (and there’s more than one word, and more than one meaning for each word. Greek is complex.) is eros, which does NOT always mean passionate or marital love. It means a love more than philia, which is friendship-love. Orthodox Christianity does not condone homosexuality, and therefore would not have included the two brave warriors as saints to be followed. Part of their torture was based on their being soldiers, so they were made to wear women’s clothing as a means of humiliation.

Also, St. Catherine’s Monastery is in Egypt, not Israel. And the icon there of Sts. Sergius & Bacchus shows them on horses, dressed as soldiers. I would venture a guess that you are linking/quoting to people who have a homosexual agenda, and are making things up in order to support their weird need to have a 2,000 year old tradition approve of their lifestyle.

chelie on August 15, 2012 at 11:47 AM

Maybe, but then again, I think that would be contrary to to Cathy’s character. The larger point, though, is that the local Chick-Fil-A franchisee may and that, bottom line is who, along with the franchisee’s employees, Davidson College is screwing with their intolerant “inclusiveness”. And to hold them hostage while threatening to shoot them if Cathy doesn’t repent his sin of not agreeing with them, is despicable.

Dusty on August 15, 2012 at 11:42 AM

Agreed. I was saying they should take the high road and say “okay, do what you want, but don’t think it isn’t going to make you look intolerant and not make some of YOUR paying students unhappy.”

RDE2010 on August 15, 2012 at 11:49 AM

How is it that Leftists have taken over Christian colleges?

faraway on August 15, 2012 at 10:57 AM

It’s the same with many Catholic colleges and universities (DePaul, Notre Dame, Detroit-Mercy, etc.). They are no more Catholic than state schools. What’s the point of paying two to three times the tuition to send your child to DePaul or Davidson when its values are little different from Northern Illinois or North Carolina State?

bw222 on August 15, 2012 at 11:52 AM

You lost me at ‘free food’. It cost somebody something at some point. So I guess this is just another attempt to indoctrinate students to eat at only ‘approved’ troughs in order to enjoy their state sponsored vittles. I suppose it makes the students who participate in these petition drives feel all important and included in the collective.

Your point on the glaring hypocrisy wrt the college’s own constitution is duly noted and could provide a vehicle for anyone with the fortitude and determination to challenge the Union Board. It would make for an instructive and entertaining example of educating the loons.

CitizenEgg on August 15, 2012 at 11:56 AM

get the H8 off the plate, you motha flukeing right wing extremists
/sarc/
Slade73 on August 15, 2012 at 11:04 AM

You forgot the /SARC/ tag; so I fixed it for you.
You’re welcome.

Solaratov on August 15, 2012 at 11:57 AM

Not enough bandwith to discuss/debate all the problems with Presbyterians….

Don’t go there.

socalcon on August 15, 2012 at 12:03 PM

Glad to see they’re banning Muslim groups from participating for the same reason!

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mankai on August 15, 2012 at 12:03 PM

I vote for the neutron bomb… Much less clean up required afterwards.

SWalker on August 15, 2012 at 11:43 AM

Well…except for all the rotting bodies.

Solaratov on August 15, 2012 at 12:08 PM

Chiele, The question I answered was “Has there ever been a case in recorded history of a marriage between members of the same sex?”

Whether or not the articles referenced are 100% accurate as to the location of the monastery or were written with an agenda, I think they show that yes, there have been recorded cases of same-sex marriage in history.

I think that the screaming and stomping of feet by both sides on this issue is ridiculous and is a losing issue for the right. The actions of two American citizens in their own house and bedroom has no impact whatsoever on my marriage.

I think the state and federal governments should get out of the marriage business entirely and let it remain the sole province of churches. They can issue civil partnerships for tax and benefit purposes.

NancyWhisky on August 15, 2012 at 12:12 PM

Yep. I am Catholic. I don’t necessarily agree with their stance on birth control because in these times unless you are irresponsible and on welfare you can’t afford to HAVE all the children your wife can bear until menopause.

Then again, I’m unmarried and 40. By the time I GET hitched (if ever) procreation probably won’t be possible. A shame, because society would be a lot better off with me reproducing than a breeder in the projects.

wildcat72 on August 15, 2012 at 11:27 AM

I don’t want to derail the thread but NFP (Natural Family Planning) is much improved over the rhythm method and allows a man and wife to decide each month if they’re ready for another little one but perhaps you’ll meet someone with a ready-made family.

catquilt on August 15, 2012 at 12:13 PM

So they wish to be “inclusive” to all students who agree with the faculty’s intolerant position on gay marriage, and entirely intolerant of those students who think for themselves.

Interesting.

Greg Q on August 15, 2012 at 12:33 PM

How is it that Leftists have taken over Christian colleges?

faraway on August 15, 2012 at 10:57 AM

Two words. “Tolerance” and “compromise”. The courtesy of which they do not extend to others, as you can see.

kbTexan on August 15, 2012 at 12:37 PM

A shame, because society would be a lot better off with me reproducing than a breeder in the projects.

Wow, wildcat72, that’s a strikingly self-serving statement, coupled with a steaming pile of elitism. “Breeder” is a word used contemptuously among gay men to refer to heterosexuals; your use is one of the few I’ve encountered from a straight person.

Further up the thread you had this to say:

The most healthy environment for children is to be raised by their mother and father in a NORMAL family situation. Libs can lie about it all they want but it is not disputable that children brought up in NORMAL families are much more likely to grow up to be productive, NORMAL citizens than those in broken single parent (or no parent) homes.

I know of a lesbian couple who adopted and are raising two children. According to you, they are a bad environment for the children, because they aren’t being raised by their two (biological) parents.

The older child (a boy of about 6) was born to an unmarried couple who had been living together for a while. (The mother had another child with a different guy; that child was being raised by her parents). She also had a pair of abortions along the way, and has never held a full-time job. The father finally (six years later) has a full-time job, working at barely above minimum wage, which is not too relevant because the two have split up. The second child (about 9 months old, a girl) was born (again) to an unmarried couple who did not work. It was a full-time job making sure that the mother made it to her doctor’s appointments (they interrupted her TV watching schedule) and making sure that the father did the work they were paying him to do (they have a farm, and he was being paid to do manual labor such as feeding the horses, collecting the eggs in the henhouse, and so forth); he preferred lounging around to actually earning his wages. After the baby’s birth, he and the mother smoked a bowl of marijuana as soon as she was discharged from the hospital, because they had not been able to smoke weed while she was pregnant (the lesbian couple made sure that didn’t happen). They are still unemployed (and likely unemployable) and don’t have any idea of what to do beyond getting their next joint.

Do you honestly believe that these two children would be better off with their “normal” (ie heterosexual) parents? Yes, a stable family with two parents and at least one steady source of income is better than nothing, but these kids weren’t going to have that opportunity. If the two women had not become involved, it’s possible that the boy might have been aborted, and the girl would have suffered through a pregnancy in which her mother smoked dope and never saw the doctor.

FWIW, the reason they had to adopt (rather than IVF) was that one of the women was infertile, and the other one was rendered unable to bear children after her abusive ex-husband nearly beat her to death. There would have been no procreation from either of these women if they had been in (or remained in) heterosexual marriages; does that mean that they should be prohibited from marrying anyone?

By the time I GET hitched (if ever) procreation probably won’t be possible.

Shouldn’t you also be barred from marriage? After all, we need to have more children in productive families, and you won’t be having kids.

Horologium on August 15, 2012 at 12:40 PM

Wow, wildcat72, that’s a strikingly self-serving statement, coupled with a steaming pile of elitism. “Breeder” is a word used contemptuously among gay men to refer to heterosexuals; your use is one of the few I’ve encountered from a straight person.

Further up the thread you had this to say:

People who keep popping out kid after kid they have no means whatsoever to support are what I call “breeders”. If I’m paying for your children and not you, I have every right to express my opinion on what sort of person would do that.

I’ve had a job since I was 14. I work very hard. I’ve never made a whole lot of money. Instead of crying about it, I’ve lived responsibly. That means no knocking up of women I can’t afford to marry and creating kids I can’t afford to support.

Shouldn’t you also be barred from marriage? After all, we need to have more children in productive families, and you won’t be having kids.

Horologium on August 15, 2012 at 12:40 PM

I am quite capable of procreating.

Women my age, however, are becoming less so all the time…

And I doubt I will ever WANT to hook up with a 25 year old. My floor is 30-35.

wildcat72 on August 15, 2012 at 12:58 PM

“Inclusive” to those brain-dead, politically correct liberals means agreeing with their position.

GarandFan on August 15, 2012 at 12:58 PM

Rodents of Unusual Size.

Buttercup on August 15, 2012 at 1:01 PM

Alternate title for this situation:

“Fascism makes its ugly way to Davidson College”

Can someone, anyone, tell me why the federal government is giving ANY money to ANY university?

Freddy on August 15, 2012 at 1:04 PM

Whether or not the articles referenced are 100% accurate as to the location of the monastery or were written with an agenda, I think they show that yes, there have been recorded cases of same-sex marriage in history.

I think that the screaming and stomping of feet by both sides on this issue is ridiculous and is a losing issue for the right. The actions of two American citizens in their own house and bedroom has no impact whatsoever on my marriage.

I think the state and federal governments should get out of the marriage business entirely and let it remain the sole province of churches. They can issue civil partnerships for tax and benefit purposes.

NancyWhisky on August 15, 2012 at 12:12 PM

My point was that this was NOT a recorded marriage. What city/state recorded it? It certainly was not a recorded marriage by early Christian (and current Orthodox/Roman Catholic) standards.

Can you provide a link to the icon you referenced? When was it written/painted?

chelie on August 15, 2012 at 1:05 PM

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