Cops: Suspect in FRC shooting volunteered at Washington LGBT center

posted at 8:42 pm on August 15, 2012 by Mary Katharine Ham

The other post was getting mighty heavy, so I’m adding new updates here.

We’re learning more about the suspected shooter, Floyd Corkins II, of Herndon, Va.:

(AP) WASHINGTON – A man suspected of shooting and wounding a security guard in the lobby of a Christian lobbying group had been volunteering at a community center for gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender people.

A law enforcement official has identified the suspect arrested in Wednesday’s shooting as Floyd Corkins II of Herndon, Va. Investigators were interviewing his neighbors.

Another official says the shooter made a negative reference about the work of the Family Research Council before opening fire. The officials spoke anonymously because they were not authorized to discuss the ongoing investigation.

David Mariner is executive director of The DC Center for the LGBT Community. He says Corkins had been volunteering at the center for about the past 6 months. Mariner describes Corkins as “kind, gentle and unassuming.”

A group of gay rights groups released a statement condemning the shooting:

We were saddened to hear news of the shooting this morning at the offices of the Family Research Council. Our hearts go out to the shooting victim, his family, and his co-workers.

The motivation and circumstances behind today’s tragedy are still unknown, but regardless of what emerges as the reason for this shooting, we utterly reject and condemn such violence. We wish for a swift and complete recovery for the victim of this terrible incident.

I avoided getting into the possible motivations of the suspect early on, as everyone should do in the confusing wake of a shooting. This time, when it bothered to cover the shooting at all, the media did the same. It is instructive, though, to remember how a total absence of evidence that Jared Loughner was a conservative nonetheless led to immediate and sustained coverage of how right-leaning political rhetoric had somehow caused the shooting. In this case, the shooter had a political target, there are reports of his yelling about his opposition to FRC during the attack and carrying a Chick-fil-A bag, and now there’s a leftish-leaning political affiliation in the form of his volunteerism. And yet, Brian Ross managed to stay away from Google today.

CNN managed to stay away from the story entirely for more than two hours despite the fact that FRC’s offices are less than a mile from their D.C. bureau. The Huffington Post‘s afternoon e-mailed Capitol Hill report mentioned nary a word about the shooting. The Washington Post noted the suspected shooter “expressed disagreement” with the organization’s positions.

Talking Points Memo, a left-leaning reported blog, should be commended for staying with the story all day long, thoroughly and doggedly. Ryan J. Reilly was the reporter on this, and his headline goes further than any I’ve seen in addressing the shooter’s possible motivations: “Family Research Council shooter allegedly motivated by group’s anti-gay stances”

Frankly, if the media covered all these shootings with a modicum of the circumspection it showed today, I’d be happy. Gabriel Malor has a list of all the times the media has blamed violence on the right and turned out to be wrong. It’s not pretty. Unfortunately, that circumspection seems to be reserved for people shooting up conservative organizations and people yelling “Allahu Akbar,” whose motives cannot possibly be divined.

To illustrate the double standard, all you have to do is replace one letter of this story. FRC becomes HRC, the Human Rights Campaign. Please tell me CNN would have missed that story for several hours or that the media would studiously have noted, over and over, that police had no clues as to the motive of the shooter.

Conservatives should certainly point out this double standard, but I’d caution us not to go down the same road the Left has. For instance, the Southern Poverty Law Center, in all its idiocy, labels Family Research Council a “hate” group, which is ludicrous and intolerant. But that didn’t cause a probably crazy person to shoot up an advocacy group. They should be pressed to live by their own rhetoric rules— new tone!— but I get nervous when anyone starts saying political speech is responsible for any subsequent physical violence.

Obama finally reacted to the shooting this evening, through Press Secretary Jay Carney reporting to the press pool. He used what appears to be the subject line from Mitt Romney’s 2:14 p.m. e-mailed statement on the incident.

Romney subject line: MITT ROMNEY: THERE IS NO PLACE FOR VIOLENCE IN OUR SOCIETY

Obama: “this type of violence has no place in our society,” per a pool report.

The sentence is pretty standard fare for what is becoming a far-too-frequent occasion, but it’s odd, isn’t it? Especially when the president found time to give a pretty thorough defense of Vice President Joe Biden’s “chains” comments to People Magazine today. Speaking of Biden, per the press pool report, he stopped at a memorial for the Va. Tech massacre today at 2:20 p.m., several hours after news of the FRC shooting had broken. He was asked what the memorial meant to him, but not about today’s shooting.

Again, replace FRC with HRC, and imagine that.

There are conflicting reports as to whether this has been classified as “domestic terrorism.” The FBI was on the scene all day and interviewing associates, suggesting it might be. Domestic terrorism implies a political motive. Authorities are now interviewing the suspect’s neighbors in Herndon, Va., according to WTOP.

Again, this is a photo of the alleged shooter, apparently taken by a witness at the scene.


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So what exactly did this Obama-goon do as a volunteer @ the LGBLTQRSTLMNOP Center ? Why did he volunteer there ?

burrata on August 15, 2012 at 10:17 PM

Even though Sarah Palin bore no responsibility for the Giffords shooting, we’re going to blame her anyway.

And, to forestall all attack on us for our genuine complicity in the attempted murders today against a peaceful but we-know-they’re-hateful Christian organization, twenty-five gay groups–all of which have never rejected NAMBLA–are going to cover our collective azz (politically only, not literally) and say it was a bad thing.

And, no–our champage bill tonight is none of your business!

libfreeordie on August 15, 2012 at 9:03 PM

Fixed all that for ya–truth in liberalism and all.

Liam on August 15, 2012 at 10:20 PM

So what exactly did this Obama-goon do as a volunteer @ the LGBLTQRSTLMNOP Center ? Why did he volunteer there ?

burrata on August 15, 2012 at 10:17 PM

NAMBLA liaison?

AubieJon on August 15, 2012 at 10:20 PM

Someone in Harry Reid’s inner circle has told me that the Senator was the mastermind for this attack. I hope Sen. Reid will quickly come out with evidence to the contrary.

I.M. Shatner on August 15, 2012 at 10:21 PM

libfreeordie on August 15, 2012

What century is this, Joe?

98ZJUSMC on August 15, 2012 at 10:21 PM

So what exactly did this Obama-goon do as a volunteer @ the LGBLTQRSTLMNOP Center ? Why did he volunteer there ?

burrata on August 15, 2012 at 10:17 PM

Scrubbing floors with a toothbrush and other jobs requiring being on his knees? What’s the vernacular–’on the down low’?

Liam on August 15, 2012 at 10:21 PM

According to FoxNews, after after guard took away Corkins’ gun, the suspect said, “Don’t shoot me, it was not about you, it was what this place stands for.”

So he is a coward to boot.

bayview on August 15, 2012 at 10:24 PM

I’m incredibly proud of the LGBT movement today, they demonstrated that there’s no shame in condemning violence that may even have the vaguest appearance of being related to their political cause. sent a low-brow easily-manipulated loon to try shooting up the office of a peaceful Christian organization.

libfreeordie on August 15, 2012 at 9:03 PM

FIFY–Truth in liberalism and all that.

Liam on August 15, 2012 at 10:24 PM

jainphx on August 15, 2012 at 10:11 PM

And it is based on who they “love”. The dog/cat division will be the end of the Republic.

Cindy Munford on August 15, 2012 at 10:26 PM

And it is based on who they “love”. The dog/cat division will be the end of the Republic.

Cindy Munford on August 15, 2012 at 10:26 PM

The first SSM couple legally married here in NY is divorcing after only eight months, the women separating in May.

Liam on August 15, 2012 at 10:28 PM

If everybody had a gun, nobody would shoot.

Symshady on August 15, 2012 at 10:28 PM

I for the life of me can’t understand how 1% of the total population, derived so much political power. So we have 1% of the nation that are LGBT and yet they wield so much power. Isn’t this the reverse of the 1% cried over by the OWS crowd.

jainphx on August 15, 2012 at 10:11 PM

Seems that most liberal causes rely almost entirely on guilting people into submission. A lot of people are really susceptible to that. Entertainment and the media magnify it.

Dongemaharu on August 15, 2012 at 10:30 PM

Tomorrow they will continue the work of advancing civil rights and liberation for sexual minorities. Bravo!

libfreeordie on August 15, 2012 at 9:03 PM

Man who claimed he was beaten for being gay admits he made it all up after police receive video of him hitting HIS OWN head after back-flipping off a curb

Joseph Baken, 22, initially told police he was beaten up because he is gay

His story was picked up by anti-homophobic websites and gained national attention

Days later, video emerged that showed the wounds were self-inflicted

Source

Flora Duh on August 15, 2012 at 10:31 PM

Liam on August 15, 2012 at 10:28 PM

Maybe we should outlaw divorce except in cases of physical abuse. That might change a desire or two.

Cindy Munford on August 15, 2012 at 10:33 PM

MKH,

I am pleased that you don’t blame the activists for the loon. That is the logical position which I wish all people would take when some crazy person does something like this. Mental illness and failure to deal with it is ultimately the reason for these events.. Putting the blame on political speech is not the way to go.

McDuck on August 15, 2012 at 10:33 PM

I’m incredibly proud of the LGBT movement today

libfreeordie on August 15, 2012 at 9:03 PM

It’s interesting. Earlier, on another thread, you refuse any responsibility for the shooting today by someone gay-affiliated, though you are a liberal.

Now, you somehow dare claim pride among gays for what you consider an accomplishment by them when you really have nothing to do with their statements.

Amazing…

Liam on August 15, 2012 at 10:35 PM

Maybe we should outlaw divorce except in cases of physical abuse. That might change a desire or two.

Cindy Munford on August 15, 2012 at 10:33 PM

Men and women marry for love in most cases. Gays marry for trend and politics, for the most part; it’s a standout at upper-crust cocktail parties in Hollywood and similar venues.

How about, instead of your idea, the one who initiates the divorce pays all legal fees and court costs for both parties. That’ll stop frivolous marriages before anyone gets to the frivolous divorce part.

Liam on August 15, 2012 at 10:41 PM

I’m incredibly proud of the LGBT movement today

libfreeordie on August 15, 2012 at 9:03 PM

You’re so liberal you can’t even keep your own personal stories straight.

Liam on August 15, 2012 at 10:44 PM

libfreeordie on August 15, 2012 at 9:03 PM

You’re an idiot, liveasaslaveanddie.

Solaratov on August 15, 2012 at 10:46 PM

Putting the blame on political speech is not the way to go.

McDuck on August 15, 2012 at 10:33 PM

Nobody is outting the blame on “political speech.” The blame lies with hate speech.

Deanna on August 15, 2012 at 10:48 PM

Has anyone noticed how the vitriol from the Presidential campaigns has somehow drifted into the general populace? I see it in the words here,
of the ignorant. I see it in the rationalization of people who believe that it is “ok” to harm others in the name of politics and ideology.

Clearly, the current WH resident doesn’t see the hate he’s generated from his own campaign. Who’d have thought they’d see the day when a Presidents desperation to be re-elected at any cost would result in the deaths of the general populace. This man is no leader. He’s a despotic, ill-mannered Chicago thug.

DevilsPrinciple on August 15, 2012 at 10:49 PM

Hate crime anyone?

Fuquay Steve on August 15, 2012 at 10:49 PM

We’ve got to get all these guns off the streets and out of the hands of LGBT community center volunteers!

ardenenoch on August 15, 2012 at 10:50 PM

Are you seriously trying to say that Conservatives and Conservative groups are responsible for the Sikh temple shooting? That is moronic, ignorant, and childish of you to say.

theoddmanout on August 15, 2012 at 9:06 PM

That’s because liveasaslaveanddie is an ignorant, childish moron.

Solaratov on August 15, 2012 at 10:50 PM

Liam on August 15, 2012 at 10:41 PM

I actually do believe divorce has harmed marriage quite a lot and I think your idea has merit. Neither marriage nor divorce should be taken lightly.

Cindy Munford on August 15, 2012 at 10:50 PM

JetBoy on August 15, 2012 at 8:57 PM

I remember the homosexual community’s reaction to Prop. 8… do you?

Threats, violence, intimidation, and thuggery.

And the price for their bad behavior was…? Little better than shrugs and winks.

“They’re just expressing their outrage at inequality.”

The leadership ‘deplores’ violence… while the rank and file rages on.

My tolerance for ‘in your face’ politics is diminishing, rapidly.

And suspect I’m not alone… incivility and bad behavior thrives because it’s ‘cost free’ for protected political classes, and their leadership.

Sorry JetBoy, the double standard is wearing thin with me.

CPT. Charles on August 15, 2012 at 10:52 PM

Oops…should say…putting the blame…not outting. Although that is kind of an interesting key slip.

Deanna on August 15, 2012 at 10:52 PM

I actually do believe divorce has harmed marriage quite a lot and I think your idea has merit. Neither marriage nor divorce should be taken lightly.

Cindy Munford on August 15, 2012 at 10:50 PM

Marriage, in my view, should be a well-thought decision and surety before the man asks a woman’s hand.

Divorce should be an even harder thing to do.

Liam on August 15, 2012 at 10:53 PM

How many conservative groups who had participated in the anti-Muslim rhetoric that contributed to the Sikh shooting release any kind of statement after the Wisonsin shooting that left over half a dozen people dead?

libfreeordie on August 15, 2012 at 9:03 PM

Looks as though liveasaslaveanddie still hasn’t managed to figure out that Sikhs are not muslims. S/he/it must not be very bright.

(I’ll bet the affirmative action committee feels pretty stupid about that hiring decision.)

Solaratov on August 15, 2012 at 10:58 PM

I get nervous when anyone starts saying political speech is responsible for any subsequent physical violence.

MKH,

Dehumanizing your opponents is not ‘political speech’.

If you think your opponent is sub-human, it softens you up for violence or atrocities against them.

Yesterday, the HRC classified the FRC as a ‘hate group’.

This is a spiral of no return for them. And it’s very, very dangerous.

faraway on August 15, 2012 at 10:59 PM

Liam on August 15, 2012 at 10:53 PM

Time helps. I bet I can think of a lot more good reasons to be married after 37 years than I could at 10.

Cindy Munford on August 15, 2012 at 11:00 PM

I actually do believe divorce has harmed marriage quite a lot and I think your idea has merit. Neither marriage nor divorce should be taken lightly.

Cindy Munford on August 15, 2012 at 10:50 PM

Totally agree. I’ve been saying for years that no-fault divorce has hurt the US greatly – not only harming marriage and the kids involved along with other moral issues, but contracts in general and the view that by entering into a contract, you are obligated to uphold your part not just get all you can and run. Many don’t see the connection though…

Much like Pope Paul VI predicting that the mindset wanting to say contraception was OK back in 1960 would lead to more divorce, promiscuity, abortions, single parenthood and homosexual issues. Everyone thought he was crazy.

That darn law of unintended consequences.

miConsevative on August 15, 2012 at 11:00 PM

They should be pressed to live by their own rhetoric rules— new tone!— but I get nervous when anyone starts saying political speech is responsible for any subsequent physical violence.

Dunno, I’m struggling with this.

I agree when it comes to clearly unrelated violence (e.g.: Loughtner, etc) – yet when the violence *is* directly tied to political speech/agendas (e.g.: Islamist shootings, gay guy shooting up FRC), um… I’m not quite so reluctant to call it what it so clearly and openly is.

I see a clear distinction between the scenarios, and don’t think that the same blanket ‘rules’ apply to all of the scenarios.

Is that wrong?

Midas on August 15, 2012 at 11:01 PM

They need to stop doing that or they’ll go blind.

squint on August 15, 2012 at 9:21 PM

Or grow hair on their palms.

Solaratov on August 15, 2012 at 11:05 PM

Looks as though liveasaslaveanddie still hasn’t managed to figure out that Sikhs are not muslims. S/he/it must not be very bright.

(I’ll bet the affirmative action committee feels pretty stupid about that hiring decision.)

Solaratov on August 15, 2012 at 10:58 PM

The liblet is of the sub-species of liberalism called ‘contrarian’.

If we Conservatives condemn a shooting, libfree can’t agree with us and leave it at that. He/she always feels need to say we haven’t done or said enough, so he/she needs to make further argument–usually in a left-handed way of playing defense for his/her own side.

Liam on August 15, 2012 at 11:06 PM

We need a word for people who hate those who don’t approve of gay marriage.

Paul-Cincy on August 15, 2012 at 9:24 PM

I saw on Twitter… HomoSupremacists

faraway on August 15, 2012 at 11:06 PM

I’m incredibly proud of the LGBT movement today

libfreeordie on August 15, 2012 at 9:03 PM

Question: were you equally proud when they were silent concerning the death of Jesse Dirkhising?

We are told, rightfully so, not to forget Matthew Shepard… so, who remembers Jesse?

CPT. Charles on August 15, 2012 at 11:07 PM

And suspect I’m not alone… incivility and bad behavior thrives because it’s ‘cost free’ for protected political classes, and their leadership.

Sorry JetBoy, the double standard is wearing thin with me.

CPT. Charles on August 15, 2012 at 10:52 PM

Bingo.

The screaming liberal bigot movement demanded that Sarah Palin be imprisoned and punished for crimes she didn’t commit.

Now the LGBT community is whining and squealing and squalling like a pig stuck in a gate that the rules they demanded of others not be applied to them?

Being polite and tolerant to these bigots has only gotten Christians harassed, their businesses vandalized, and now being shot at.

Gloves off. Liberal brats, especially these organizations and their puppets like libfreeordie, need to be choked with their own medicine.

northdallasthirty on August 15, 2012 at 11:08 PM

That darn law of unintended consequences.

miConsevative on August 15, 2012 at 11:00 PM

My kids hate when I mention the nose under the tent or the slippery slope but so often it is the case.

Cindy Munford on August 15, 2012 at 11:08 PM

Midas on August 15, 2012 at 11:01 PM

I think it is because ultimately the person is found to be mentally unsound. If that isn’t the case than you and faraway are correct and I don’t think we should hesitate to point it out.

Cindy Munford on August 15, 2012 at 11:11 PM

CPT. Charles on August 15, 2012 at 11:07 PM

There was also Dean Corll from the 60s and 70s. He even built his own ‘torture board’ for use with the boys he kidnapped.

Of course people like libfree can’t be expected to think about that, for their fear it might be somehow homophobic.

Liam on August 15, 2012 at 11:15 PM

I’m incredibly proud of the LGBT movement today

libfreeordie on August 15, 2012 at 9:03 PM

Wow. Just wow. An LGBT activist walks into a Christian ‘hate group’ as you call it, and starts shooting people… and you are proud.

faraway on August 15, 2012 at 11:16 PM

The first SSM couple legally married here in NY is divorcing after only eight months, the women separating in May.

Liam on August 15, 2012 at 10:28 PM

After the Chik Fil A business, the poll showing NYers support them, and this horrible news today, I really think if SSM was put to a vote in NY, it wouldn’t pass.

monalisa on August 15, 2012 at 11:16 PM

After the Chik Fil A business, the poll showing NYers support them, and this horrible news today, I really think if SSM was put to a vote in NY, it wouldn’t pass.

monalisa on August 15, 2012 at 11:16 PM

That’s why we don’t have direct ballots here. To keep it liberal, no threat to liberalism can be tolerated by allowing popular opinion to hold genuine sway.

Liam on August 15, 2012 at 11:19 PM

Yesterday the HRC (Human Rights campaign) called the FRC a ‘hate group’.

You’ve heard of ‘dog whistles’? This is a pack whistle.

faraway on August 15, 2012 at 11:20 PM

The LGBT community has the right to do their hearts desire when ever they choose, but not in public. here they seem to be fighting for us 99% to give them our blessings, and when we refuse they explode. I’m not in any way a Doctor, nor do I play one on TV, but this is just childish egocentric behavior. We want!!! WE want, and don’t much care what the rest of us think or feel, no it’s me me me.

jainphx on August 15, 2012 at 11:20 PM

I’m incredibly proud of the LGBT movement today

libfreeordie on August 15, 2012 at 9:03 PM

Wow. Just wow. An LGBT activist walks into a Christian ‘hate group’ as you call it, and starts shooting people… and you are proud.

faraway on August 15, 2012 at 11:16 PM

Yes and you can bet that if Jared Loughner or any of the other idiots who have shot up a place worked at a Sarah Palin headquarter, a tea party headquarter, or even FRC- they would be calling this rightwing, teaparty, anti-gay violence. But when you have a direct link to a progressive agenda- you can’t make the same link.

melle1228 on August 15, 2012 at 11:21 PM

Wow. Just wow. An LGBT activist walks into a Christian ‘hate group’ as you call it, and starts shooting people… and you are proud.

faraway on August 15, 2012 at 11:16 PM

This is libfree’s definition of ‘free speech’

Liam on August 15, 2012 at 11:21 PM

Political speech is the discussion on how to use the guns and force of the government. The lgbt gay agenda is to point a gun at anybody that talks bad about their behavior through government hate speech laws.

Mormontheman on August 15, 2012 at 11:22 PM

I’m saying that LGBT groups demonstrated a self-reflexivity…

libfreeordie on August 15, 2012 at 9:10 PM

Definition of REFLEXIVE…….

4
: characterized by habitual and unthinking behavior .

——————————————-

OK

Solaratov on August 15, 2012 at 11:25 PM

Political speech is the discussion on how to use the guns and force of the government. The lgbt gay agenda is to point a gun at anybody that talks bad about their behavior through government hate speech laws.

Mormontheman on August 15, 2012 at 11:22 PM

Yet, when I challenge ‘straight’ pro-gay liberals to go play gay if it’s okay, they freak and get insulted.

Go figure.

Liam on August 15, 2012 at 11:25 PM

faraway on August 15, 2012 at 11:20 PM

How do you get the job of deciding who is a hate group or person and is there money in it?

Cindy Munford on August 15, 2012 at 11:26 PM

This is libfree’s definition of ‘free speech’

Liam on August 15, 2012 at 11:21 PM

The perp was a dork, the Guard owned him with help.

Yeah once again the left gave in to violent impulses.

You’ll notice we don’t defend violence on our allies behalf rare though it is unless it is legitimate self-defense….?

Sides that are winning an argument don’t often think the body bags are a tool to make a point.

“just saying”

harlekwin15 on August 15, 2012 at 11:26 PM

when we refuse they explode.

jainphx on August 15, 2012 at 11:20 PM

Simple Alinsky…

Alinsky advised the radical activist to avoid the temptation to concede that his opponent was not “100 per cent devil,” or that he possessed certain admirable qualities such as being “a good churchgoing man, generous to charity, and a good husband.” Such qualifying remarks, Alinsky said, “dilut[e] the impact of the attack” and amount to sheer “political idiocy.”

Alinsky stressed the need for organizers to convince their followers that the chasm between the enemy and the members of the People’s Organization was vast and unbridgeable. “Before men can act,” he said, “an issue must be polarized. Men will act when they are convinced their cause is 100 percent on the side of the angels, and that the opposition are 100 percent on the side of the devil.

This is Obama’s Achille’s heel… if we would learn to use it to our advantage.

faraway on August 15, 2012 at 11:27 PM

How do you get the job of deciding who is a hate group or person and is there money in it?

Cindy Munford on August 15, 2012 at 11:26 PM

Faraday there is “JUDGE”!

Yeah lots of “advice” for Mitt…

oddly enough none helpful.

harlekwin15 on August 15, 2012 at 11:27 PM

Looks as though liveasaslaveanddie still hasn’t managed to figure out that Sikhs are not muslims. S/he/it must not be very bright.

(I’ll bet the affirmative action committee feels pretty stupid about that hiring decision.)

Solaratov on August 15, 2012 at 10:58 PM

Naah, they checked the box on the quota spreadsheet and moved on. It’s the poor students that get the shaft.

slickwillie2001 on August 15, 2012 at 11:27 PM

How do you get the job of deciding who is a hate group or person and is there money in it?

Cindy Munford on August 15, 2012 at 11:26 PM

I can answer that, if you like.

Liam on August 15, 2012 at 11:27 PM

According to FoxNews, after after guard took away Corkins’ gun, the suspect said, “Don’t shoot me, it was not about you, it was what this place stands for.”

So he is a coward to boot.

bayview on August 15, 2012 at 10:24 PM

Any sane person would not want to be shot. Generally when someone is holding a gun on you you cooperate which is what he was doing. That does not make him a coward.

Now going into a place where he probably thought he would not meet resistance with the intent to shot a bunch of people. That does.

But most likely we will find out he had extensive mental health issues.

But it is possible that he actually is a domestic terrorist. A lot of Occupy people got violent and there were some murders.

Steveangell on August 15, 2012 at 11:27 PM

It certainly mirrors the massive, flagrant intimidation that has become the trademark of the Left.

They run attack ad after attack ad, based on easily refutable lies (which the Associated Obama Press [formerly the AP] refuses to address); they unleash their SEIU/NEA/CPUSA thugs to violently assault GOP campaign events (even to the point of literally “charging” the speaker’s platform) they flood the media airways with “spokes people” who REFUSE to answer simple questions, and who serve no other function than to disseminate the straw-man arguments and bald-faced lies of the New Democrat/Obama Party, which has held the U.S. Senate for SIX years now, and the U.S. presidency (and House) for FOUR years — and which most definitely is not the Democrat Party that our parents and grandparents once knew. (Pardon the run-on.)

These people — The Left — cannot defend their smears against serious, substantive opposing candidates; and they cannot deflect the TRUTH about the gross mismanagement their nominees have inflicted upon the American people these past 4-6 years.

They have nothing positive to point to.

That’s the bottom line.

All they can do is DIVIDE the nation into ever-tighter, ever-angrier, “racial”/taxpayer-dependent interest groups, like the NAACP and SEIU (etc.); and demagogue (full bore) anything that threatens their “Hope” (Federal handouts for everyone!!!) and “Change” (Screw the U.S. Constitution, and the Declaration of Independence) mantra.

minnesoter on August 15, 2012 at 11:28 PM

They should be pressed to live by their own rhetoric rules— new tone!— but I get nervous when anyone starts saying political speech is responsible for any subsequent physical violence.

MKH, I’m surprised to see you saying this.

There’s political speech and then there’s political speech.

Historically, political speech has been responsible for violence, and many times, the words were deliberately meant to incite violence.

The gay mafia has been perpetrating violent rhetoric against people who disagreed with them for years–labeling those who disagree with them as hate groups, wanting certain crimes to be hate crimes. These are not words meant to calm people down. Why is it a surprise to see words spill over into violence?

Unions? Wisconsin? Proposition 8?

INC on August 15, 2012 at 11:28 PM

The left so wishes that an incident like this actually be by some one from a tea party, or christian anti abortion advocate. Hell they go out of their way to blame the right until their evil accusations are found to be wrong. They have to have some thing like this, it’s the reason for the Reichstoch fire. For their insane reasons they need to have a whipping boy to aim their hatred at and thus stir up these same feelings in the general public.

jainphx on August 15, 2012 at 11:28 PM

I’m incredibly proud of the LGBT movement today

libfreeordie on August 15, 2012 at 9:03 PM

So My question is can those of us that disagree with you and your immorality behave like you and your groups do? Ie this.. umm.. shooting? I mean if you all are something to aspire to.. how can you yell when we just say we don’t agree as opposed to your going out to shoot, or cut fingers off of, or beat up those you disagree with?

I don’t get you or your side of the Aisle and its blatant and disgusting hypocrisy.

I don’t believe in gayness or your lifestyle..and you can’t make me. There it is.. what are you going to do now..put out a hit on my head as a loving way to respond?

Noelie on August 15, 2012 at 11:29 PM

I want to see SOMEONE – Get On The Air and PUBLICLY accuse Chris Matthews and Andrea Mitchell for CAUSING this Violence by ENCOURAGING the Protest AGAINST Chick-Fil-A!!

NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

williamg on August 15, 2012 at 11:29 PM

harlekwin15 on August 15, 2012 at 11:26 PM

Since the perp is black, I’m waiting for the defense he’s gay, a black, a black gay, and that his civil rights were violated. After all, several people ganged up to take him down. That was unfair.

I see another budding Rodney King adventure with this, if not another Mumia.

Liam on August 15, 2012 at 11:30 PM

Is it Kristallnacht yet for the National Socialists?

/’cept this time the Scarlet Letter is a white cross instead of a yellow star

//Godwin can KMA. This is a leftist committing a political act of violence. It doesn’t get any more ‘nazi’.

rayra on August 15, 2012 at 11:31 PM

This is Obama’s Achille’s heel… if we would learn to use it to our advantage.

faraway on August 15, 2012 at 11:27 PM

We are using it sport.

Barry Choom is flailing and was expecting Mitt to go supine or nuts.

Mitt did neither he is using jabs to line up hammer blows…

Choom does not have a move on medicare, and the next set of attacks are either EPA, DOE, or Dodd Frank.

Barry cannot answer one simple question: why did you either lie about Obamacare being deficit neutral or raid social security?

Answer, “you want to put these people back in chains”

Okay champ….youi ready to be a big boy and tell the nice folks you fibbed and Harry Reid is sitting on farm relief scooter?

No, “typical”….

yeah Genius Mc Choom self-goaled in year 1 after Ogabe….

harlekwin15 on August 15, 2012 at 11:31 PM

Liam on August 15, 2012 at 11:27 PM

I’d love to hear how that gets decided.

Cindy Munford on August 15, 2012 at 11:31 PM

Any sane person would not want to be shot. Generally when someone is holding a gun on you you cooperate which is what he was doing. That does not make him a coward.
Steveangell on August 15, 2012 at 11:27 PM

Yes, it does. He was shit-hot with a gun, then fell emotionally crippled when his overblown ego was deflated by having his weapon taken away.

Take a Marine’s gun from him in combat, and you can expect him to throw his helmet at you. Then he’ll charge. That’s NOT a coward.

Today’s gay-volunteer IS.

Liam on August 15, 2012 at 11:34 PM

I don’t believe in gayness or your lifestyle..and you can’t make me. There it is.. what are you going to do now..put out a hit on my head as a loving way to respond?

Noelie on August 15, 2012 at 11:29 PM

sure they can try to make you “embrace them”….

these twits are the junior fascist league no fooling.

I back civil unions, support shifting all relationships between adults through marriage license to them legally and making “marriage” a religious ceremony….

and of course since I also find idiot activism suborning govt use of power to try to deny business access to the market based on private free speech I am a hater….

well “ok” moonbats you convinced me….

Just keep on keeping on…

They are hurting their own cause more than any “conservative” could….

harlekwin15 on August 15, 2012 at 11:35 PM

Hmmm….Who are the haters again?

Christian Conservative on August 15, 2012 at 11:35 PM

What hate filled people gay activists are. Why are we supposed to support them again? Carrying a CFA bag was a strong message to straights wasn’t it?

BL@KBIRD on August 15, 2012 at 11:37 PM

rayra on August 15, 2012 at 11:31 PM

a lot of 18 year old kids are gonna get hurt if they insist on trying to cast people who wish only to be left alone as “h8ers” and “designated targets” because their rage of outrageous rage training that the NEA started over their butthurt after Clinton got impeached has them walking into bad situations with malignant intentions and no training.

It breaks my heart, but not my will.

harlekwin15 on August 15, 2012 at 11:38 PM

Liam on August 15, 2012 at 11:34 PM

In this case I think we should thank God for small favors.

Cindy Munford on August 15, 2012 at 11:41 PM

I’d love to hear how that gets decided.

Cindy Munford on August 15, 2012 at 11:31 PM

Become a liberal group with your own webpage, using any subject you like. Add the names of a few friends and family to spice it up, then send a press release to a local news outlet (really good writing helps get their interest).

Go door to door for some sponsors to give you money, then stage a little rally in a prominent downtown place at lunch hour. Get more people involved, and inflate the numbers by 500%.

Then call the news outlets again.

Contact your local Dem politicians, again writing an exciting email to have one or two come down in support.

When the money starts rolling in, go to your local IRS office to become tax-exempt, then get higher in government to the couny level next. And do the same thing.

In a year or two, you could be raking in $100K a year in salary doing nothing but being on the phone looking for more handouts.

How do you think groups like PETA got started?

Liam on August 15, 2012 at 11:43 PM

The liberals did warn us it was just a matter of time , one day an extreme tea bagger would start to shoot people…

the_nile on August 15, 2012 at 9:22 PM

::golf clap::

oh well played

rayra on August 15, 2012 at 11:43 PM

In this case I think we should thank God for small favors.

Cindy Munford on August 15, 2012 at 11:41 PM

The Almighty is truly generous. This recent mess could have been a lot worse.

Liam on August 15, 2012 at 11:45 PM

Carrying a CFA bag was a strong message to straights wasn’t it?

BL@KBIRD on August 15, 2012 at 11:37 PM

He was carrying ‘CFA materials’.

This does not mean that it came from CFA.

What if it was ‘hate’ propaganda from his DC LGBT?

faraway on August 15, 2012 at 11:46 PM

What hate filled people gay activists are. Why are we supposed to support them again? Carrying a CFA bag was a strong message to straights wasn’t it?

BL@KBIRD on August 15, 2012 at 11:37 PM

A cheap try at cover. After all, I bet he and the other gays reasoned, who would suspect a black guy carrying a CFA bag to want to kill white Christian Conservatives?

This is how the gay left and libs in general view us.

Liam on August 15, 2012 at 11:47 PM

OK, I see now that Fox referred to it as a ‘CFA bag’. Politico says ‘gunman had Chick-fil-A materials’. hmmm…

faraway on August 15, 2012 at 11:50 PM

Liam on August 15, 2012 at 11:43 PM

You lost me at become a liberal. Group or singularly that sounds like too much trouble.

Cindy Munford on August 15, 2012 at 11:50 PM

What if it was ‘hate’ propaganda from his DC LGBT?

faraway on August 15, 2012 at 11:46 PM

That’s a very good question…

Time will tell, I suppose.

CPT. Charles on August 15, 2012 at 11:52 PM

So did we confirm that the gunman was a Tea Partier yet?

Stoic Patriot on August 15, 2012 at 8:47 PM

No but you can bet the MSM will either

1. report he was only to later retract it
or
2. find some way of blaming the Tea Party or Christians or conservatives anyway

I already saw some liberals on a few blogs blame this on conservatives/ Christians. They were saying that the shooter was actually a conservative/ Christian hired by other c/cs to shoot their own to “frame” LGBT groups. They were being serious.

It’s odd how liberals can never accept when one of their own commits an act of violence.

TigerPaw on August 15, 2012 at 11:54 PM

Generally when someone is holding a gun on you you cooperate

Steveangell on August 15, 2012 at 11:27 PM

If that were true, he’d still have his gun, but the security guard, who wasn’t a coward even after being shot, took it from him.

Ronnie on August 15, 2012 at 11:57 PM

You lost me at become a liberal. Group or singularly that sounds like too much trouble.

Cindy Munford on August 15, 2012 at 11:50 PM

Sorry I was unclear. All you need to do is act and sound like a liberal, and the money will flow.

Of course this won’t work among conservatives, so you have to appeal to the right audience.

But, what I described is how all these liblet groups pop up out of nowhere all the time to make themselves money. Well, for their ‘executives’, that is. Pick a lib group–PETA, NOW, PP, all of them–their heads make upwards of $120K a year. They form a ‘group’, then issue a press release to the right sympathetic reporter. Then they become a story and a name. After that, it’s just pure manipulation of the people and cultivated allies.

Liam on August 15, 2012 at 11:57 PM

Ya know, screw it. I’m happy with pointing the finger of blame at the left on this due to their open hate speech, which demonstrably ties this violence to them, as opposed to the feverish grasping/hoping at straw connections between other violent actions and “the right”.

Bullsqueeze – avoiding this as MKH suggests is simply more of the “nice” crap that Ed was perpetuating yesterday. There’s no reason to give them credit for being ‘nice’ sometimes, to give them the benefit of the doubt, to give them civility in the face of their open uncivil and violence-fomenting rhetoric.

In a month or so if/when we have New Black Panther folks, or people affiliated with them, killing white folks and using similar language to the NBP f@#$wit did in the vids posted today about killing white babies and skinning white people… will Ed and MKH be nervous about making the clear link between the rhetoric and the action? I suspect they will – but not sure why.

Midas on August 15, 2012 at 11:58 PM

The gay mafia has been perpetrating violent rhetoric against people who disagreed with them for years–labeling those who disagree with them as hate groups, wanting certain crimes to be hate crimes. These are not words meant to calm people down. Why is it a surprise to see words spill over into violence?

Unions? Wisconsin? Proposition 8?

INC on August 15, 2012 at 11:28 PM

I was quite troubled by to two forms of anti-democracy thuggery in the aftermath of the passage of Proposition 8. First came violent LGBT mob attacks and vandalism against Mormon temples in California and Utah. Then came organized LGBT retribution against financial backers of Proposition 8. There were even several instances of “acts of domestic terrorism” against Mormon temples and the Knights of Columbus.

Mike OMalley on August 16, 2012 at 12:01 AM


These extreme gay activist who call everyone promoting traditional marriage “haters” and “extremists” should own this.

the_nile on August 15, 2012 at 9:02 PM

Absolutely spot on. There’s a big difference.

JetBoy on August 15, 2012 at 9:05 PM I think that’s what most people mean on these threads, so I don’t get why you’re acting all offended by the posts.

It is a fact that there is a group of very militant homosexuals and their straight supporters who harass anyone who speaks out against homosexuality and/or the legalization of homosexual marriage, and who demonize conservative Christians who do not support homosexuality.

Homosexual Dan Savage appeared at a high school just a few months ago to talk about bullying, and proceeded to “bully” Christian teens in the audience for their Christian faith (for not giving homosexuality a stamp of approval).

Some homosexual rights groups had a fit over the Chick Fil A guy’s harmless statements (he supports traditional marriage, he said).

A lot of these homosexual people and groups claim they want “tolerance,” but they do not. They want anyone who disagrees with homosexuality to shut up, get fired from their jobs, or have their homes/ churches vandalized.

TigerPaw on August 16, 2012 at 12:04 AM

Our hearts go out to the shooting victim, his family, and his co-workers.

Not surprised that they didn’t offer prayers.

mkenorthshore on August 16, 2012 at 12:04 AM

Liam on August 15, 2012 at 11:57 PM

Wouldn’t it be fun to infiltrate those folks and expose them. Like Mr. O’Keefe.

Cindy Munford on August 16, 2012 at 12:05 AM

libfreeordie on August 15, 2012

Still not getting near budget threads.

itsspideyman on August 16, 2012 at 12:09 AM

Midas on August 15, 2012 at 11:58 PM

Liberals are only ‘nice’ when they fear repercussions (libfree’s ceaseless arguing and then running whenever caught in his endless lies, only to return another time with the same old shit, is a case in point), so never turn your back on a liberal. Never give them the benefit of the doubt; they give no quarter so neither should we.

My dad told me how, in WWII when fighting the SS in Italy, one would stand up in ‘surrender’. Soon as we Americans did also to capture him, a bunch of his buddies would open fire on our guys.

My dad needed to see that only once. Afterward, he never accepted the surrender or platitudes of an SS.

The same with liberals, far as I’m concerned. And, of course, rhetorically speaking.

Liam on August 16, 2012 at 12:10 AM

Brucie got his gun. This is what happens.

minnesoter on August 16, 2012 at 12:11 AM

Wouldn’t it be fun to infiltrate those folks and expose them. Like Mr. O’Keefe.

Cindy Munford on August 16, 2012 at 12:05 AM

Many people wouldn’t believe it, the MSM would never report it, and I’d need a shower with lye soap that lasted a week. *L*

Liam on August 16, 2012 at 12:12 AM

avoiding this as MKH suggests is simply more of the “nice” crap that Ed was perpetuating yesterday. There’s no reason to give them credit for being ‘nice’ sometimes, to give them the benefit of the doubt, to give them civility in the face of their open uncivil and violence-fomenting rhetoric.

Midas on August 15, 2012 at 11:58 PM

They are playing Ed for a fool.

Alinsky (again, sorry, it’s so easy… if you read it)

While Alinsky’s ultimate goal was nothing less than the “radicalization of the middle class,” he stressed the importance of “learning to talk the language of those with whom one is trying to converse.”

“Tactics must begin with the experience of the middle class,” he said, “accepting their aversion to rudeness, vulgarity, and conflict. Start them easy, don’t scare them off.”

To appeal to the middle class, Alinsky continued, “goals must be phrased in general terms like ‘Liberty, Equality, Fraternity’; ‘Of the Common Welfare’; ‘Pursuit of happiness’; or ‘Bread and Peace.’”

… He will view with strategic sensitivity the nature of middle-class behavior with its hang-ups over rudeness or aggressive, insulting, profane actions. All this and more must be grasped and used to radicalize parts of the middle class.”[66]

A related principle taught by Alinsky was that radical organizers must not only speak the language of the middle class, but that they also must dress their crusades in the vestments of morality.

faraway on August 16, 2012 at 12:23 AM

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