Cops: Suspect in FRC shooting volunteered at Washington LGBT center

posted at 8:42 pm on August 15, 2012 by Mary Katharine Ham

The other post was getting mighty heavy, so I’m adding new updates here.

We’re learning more about the suspected shooter, Floyd Corkins II, of Herndon, Va.:

(AP) WASHINGTON – A man suspected of shooting and wounding a security guard in the lobby of a Christian lobbying group had been volunteering at a community center for gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender people.

A law enforcement official has identified the suspect arrested in Wednesday’s shooting as Floyd Corkins II of Herndon, Va. Investigators were interviewing his neighbors.

Another official says the shooter made a negative reference about the work of the Family Research Council before opening fire. The officials spoke anonymously because they were not authorized to discuss the ongoing investigation.

David Mariner is executive director of The DC Center for the LGBT Community. He says Corkins had been volunteering at the center for about the past 6 months. Mariner describes Corkins as “kind, gentle and unassuming.”

A group of gay rights groups released a statement condemning the shooting:

We were saddened to hear news of the shooting this morning at the offices of the Family Research Council. Our hearts go out to the shooting victim, his family, and his co-workers.

The motivation and circumstances behind today’s tragedy are still unknown, but regardless of what emerges as the reason for this shooting, we utterly reject and condemn such violence. We wish for a swift and complete recovery for the victim of this terrible incident.

I avoided getting into the possible motivations of the suspect early on, as everyone should do in the confusing wake of a shooting. This time, when it bothered to cover the shooting at all, the media did the same. It is instructive, though, to remember how a total absence of evidence that Jared Loughner was a conservative nonetheless led to immediate and sustained coverage of how right-leaning political rhetoric had somehow caused the shooting. In this case, the shooter had a political target, there are reports of his yelling about his opposition to FRC during the attack and carrying a Chick-fil-A bag, and now there’s a leftish-leaning political affiliation in the form of his volunteerism. And yet, Brian Ross managed to stay away from Google today.

CNN managed to stay away from the story entirely for more than two hours despite the fact that FRC’s offices are less than a mile from their D.C. bureau. The Huffington Post‘s afternoon e-mailed Capitol Hill report mentioned nary a word about the shooting. The Washington Post noted the suspected shooter “expressed disagreement” with the organization’s positions.

Talking Points Memo, a left-leaning reported blog, should be commended for staying with the story all day long, thoroughly and doggedly. Ryan J. Reilly was the reporter on this, and his headline goes further than any I’ve seen in addressing the shooter’s possible motivations: “Family Research Council shooter allegedly motivated by group’s anti-gay stances”

Frankly, if the media covered all these shootings with a modicum of the circumspection it showed today, I’d be happy. Gabriel Malor has a list of all the times the media has blamed violence on the right and turned out to be wrong. It’s not pretty. Unfortunately, that circumspection seems to be reserved for people shooting up conservative organizations and people yelling “Allahu Akbar,” whose motives cannot possibly be divined.

To illustrate the double standard, all you have to do is replace one letter of this story. FRC becomes HRC, the Human Rights Campaign. Please tell me CNN would have missed that story for several hours or that the media would studiously have noted, over and over, that police had no clues as to the motive of the shooter.

Conservatives should certainly point out this double standard, but I’d caution us not to go down the same road the Left has. For instance, the Southern Poverty Law Center, in all its idiocy, labels Family Research Council a “hate” group, which is ludicrous and intolerant. But that didn’t cause a probably crazy person to shoot up an advocacy group. They should be pressed to live by their own rhetoric rules— new tone!— but I get nervous when anyone starts saying political speech is responsible for any subsequent physical violence.

Obama finally reacted to the shooting this evening, through Press Secretary Jay Carney reporting to the press pool. He used what appears to be the subject line from Mitt Romney’s 2:14 p.m. e-mailed statement on the incident.

Romney subject line: MITT ROMNEY: THERE IS NO PLACE FOR VIOLENCE IN OUR SOCIETY

Obama: “this type of violence has no place in our society,” per a pool report.

The sentence is pretty standard fare for what is becoming a far-too-frequent occasion, but it’s odd, isn’t it? Especially when the president found time to give a pretty thorough defense of Vice President Joe Biden’s “chains” comments to People Magazine today. Speaking of Biden, per the press pool report, he stopped at a memorial for the Va. Tech massacre today at 2:20 p.m., several hours after news of the FRC shooting had broken. He was asked what the memorial meant to him, but not about today’s shooting.

Again, replace FRC with HRC, and imagine that.

There are conflicting reports as to whether this has been classified as “domestic terrorism.” The FBI was on the scene all day and interviewing associates, suggesting it might be. Domestic terrorism implies a political motive. Authorities are now interviewing the suspect’s neighbors in Herndon, Va., according to WTOP.

Again, this is a photo of the alleged shooter, apparently taken by a witness at the scene.


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libfreeordie on August 15, 2012 at 9:03 PM

Regurgitating your old talking points, huh? Figures…

Moose Drool on August 15, 2012 at 9:24 PM

What do the shootings in DC and WI have in common?

The victims were in a place that openly did not approve of gay marriage.

mankai on August 15, 2012 at 9:00 PM

We need a word for people who hate those who don’t approve of gay marriage.

Paul-Cincy on August 15, 2012 at 9:24 PM

I was shocked Diane Sawyer led with and reported on this story…

OmahaConservative on August 15, 2012 at 9:24 PM

gryphon202 on August 15, 2012 at 9:01 PM

Ewwww!

Cindy Munford on August 15, 2012 at 9:23 PM

What?! What’d I say?

gryphon202 on August 15, 2012 at 9:25 PM

For sure, this shooter was most likely pushed over the edge based on hearing those militant leftist gay groups and their own brand of “hate”. But this guy acted on his own as well…and made the decision to pull the trigger himself.

JetBoy on August 15, 2012 at 9:13 PM

Except he didn’t HEAR the militant leftist gay group. He was IN the militant leftist gay group. He was one of the people putting out that brand of hate.

And we don’t know that he acted alone. Others may have known what he was planning to do.

Ronnie on August 15, 2012 at 9:25 PM

Intrepid reporter Brian Ross is on it!

Mary Katharine Ham on August 15, 2012 at 8:50 PM

…his ‘google’ went on the fritz one minute after the shooting…may not be up for a few days!

KOOLAID2 on August 15, 2012 at 9:25 PM

NBC will be disappointed to learn this. Oh heck, they could just ignore the truth and air a Tea Party connection anyway. It would just be a teensy little lie, and who would ever notice??

joecollins on August 15, 2012 at 9:25 PM

What do you call someone who hates those who think homosexuality is abnormal or unacceptable? There’s a word for everything else. Why not a word for that? And don’t say “a liberal”. That’s too easy.

Paul-Cincy on August 15, 2012 at 9:23 PM

Occupy Where The Sun Don’t Shine…

Electrongod on August 15, 2012 at 9:26 PM

If Zero calls for a summit for this I sure as hell don’t want to know any details.

viking01 on August 15, 2012 at 9:27 PM

I’m sure this guy got the idea to shoot up this place from leftist hate mongering; but I’m not sure why volunteering at the LGBT place is relevant.

lorien1973 on August 15, 2012 at 9:27 PM

I might point out that a commenter in the other thread called this… because of the huge statement putout by the LGBT. that they knew something. I guess he was right. They knew right away… How? Were they warned? Did they tell anyone?
Kaptain Amerika on August 15, 2012 at 9:07 PM

I expect the word went through fast that he worked for the militant homosexual groups. Hence the major damage control. Also, perhaps other homosexual activists may have known it was going down ahead of time, so they had notice beforehand.

whatcat on August 15, 2012 at 9:27 PM

libfreeordie on August 15, 2012

…it’s Hot Airs Joe Biden!…STAND UP JOE! Biteme!…Take a bow!

KOOLAID2 on August 15, 2012 at 9:27 PM

I’m sure this guy got the idea to shoot up this place from leftist hate mongering; but I’m not sure why volunteering at the LGBT place is relevant.

lorien1973 on August 15, 2012 at 9:27 PM

Really?

CW on August 15, 2012 at 9:28 PM

MKH link to the statement:

http://www.glaad.org/blog/lgbt-organizations-release-joint-statement-regarding-shooting-family-research-council-frc

Look at what is also at their site as part of a long list of people who are in their “Commentator Accountability Project”:

http://www.glaad.org/cap/tony-perkins

- President, Family Research Council, which the Southern Poverty Law Center listed as an anti-gay hate group in 2010.

Now if they were serious, then they need to take down the SPLC’s description of FRC as an anti-gay hate group. Otherwise, today’s statement is only cover for the propaganda they perpetrate.

INC on August 15, 2012 at 9:29 PM

one of the symptoms of privilege.

libfreeordie on August 15, 2012 at 9:10 PM

Define “privilege”

(Starts stopwatch)

Del Dolemonte on August 15, 2012 at 9:29 PM

I was shocked Diane Sawyer led with and reported on this story…

OmahaConservative on August 15, 2012 at 9:24 PM

Why? They’ll just play up the “guns are bad” part, and downplay the gay part. Easy peasy, when you run the entire media.

squint on August 15, 2012 at 9:29 PM

so?

Pragmatic on August 15, 2012 at 9:30 PM

…” Jeeze, give it a rest for once.

Dongemaharu on August 15, 2012 at 9:09 PM

As soon as the ABR nutballs knock it off, there will be no reason to poke them. Until then, game on.

cozmo on August 15, 2012 at 9:32 PM

I’m sure this guy got the idea to shoot up this place from leftist hate mongering; but I’m not sure why volunteering at the LGBT place is relevant.

lorien1973 on August 15, 2012 at 9:27 PM

Wow

Ronnie on August 15, 2012 at 9:32 PM

I’m sure this guy got the idea to shoot up this place from leftist hate mongering; but I’m not sure why volunteering at the LGBT place is relevant.

lorien1973 on August 15, 2012 at 9:27 PM

Obvious gay frustration, for being unable to get by popular vote their demands.

I’m saying that LGBT groups demonstrated a self-reflexivity…

libfreeordie on August 15, 2012 at 9:10 PM

‘Nuff said in evidence there, from a fervent liberal?

Liam on August 15, 2012 at 9:32 PM

The Tone,of UnCivil Rhetric was set in 2008!

By Hopey!

canopfor on August 15, 2012 at 9:32 PM

Cops: Suspect in FRC shooting volunteered at Washington LGBT center

Ah in other words, a typical right-wing nut job TEA Partier, I thought as much.

JFKY on August 15, 2012 at 9:34 PM

Romney subject line: MITT ROMNEY: THERE IS NO PLACE FOR VIOLENCE IN OUR SOCIETY

Obama: “this type of violence has no place in our society,” per a pool report.

My emphasis.

Hmmmmm. What type of violence does have a place in our society?

Or is this yet another off the cuff, non-thoughtful comment tossed out there?

kim roy on August 15, 2012 at 9:34 PM

Define “privilege”

(Starts stopwatch)

Del Dolemonte on August 15, 2012 at 9:29 PM

You presume liblets can tell time. Their ideas still lurk, though disproven, in the 19th Century.

Liam on August 15, 2012 at 9:34 PM

BTW, ernesto nailed this one.
 
Got to give him credit. He hit it out of the park. Good call, ernesto.

rogerb on August 15, 2012 at 9:34 PM

When lone gunman attacks like this happen, it is wrong to conjecture about motive. Whether the shooter can be connected to the left or right is completely irrelevant, though it seems most come from the left. What we’re dealing with, at base, are extremely disturbed individuals who don’t care who they hurt or kill, and whose political identity is secondary at best.

In contrast, when the shooter/bomber is acting out of ideology, as in a religious belief that his targets must be wiped from the face of the earth, that’s an entirely different thing. These are not “disturbed” individuals but enemies and combatants, whose motives are quite relevant, and who must be treated as such.

TXUS on August 15, 2012 at 9:35 PM

Again, replace FRC with HRC, and imagine that.

From a HRC blog post yesterday:

Paul Ryan Speaking at Hate Group’s Annual Conference

The FRC has been labeled a hate group by the Southern Poverty Law Center. It’s a group that has advocated for the criminalization of homosexuality, called for LGBT people to be exported from the U.S., and has pushed dangerous lies trying to link being gay to pedophilia.

And yet – despite this – the Values Voter Summit is a draw for conservatives, and it’s where the GOP’s Vice Presidential candidate will be speaking next month. No word yet on whether Mitt Romney – who spoke at the event last year – will return to speak again.

Flora Duh on August 15, 2012 at 9:35 PM

‘Nuff said in evidence there, from a fervent liberal?

Liam on August 15, 2012 at 9:32 PM

Well of course, libfree was just as open minded when her fellow leftys were blaming the right for previous shootings.

Right libfree?

cozmo on August 15, 2012 at 9:35 PM

so?

Pragmatic on August 15, 2012 at 9:30 PM

Always the tard.

I’m sure this guy got the idea to shoot up this place from leftist hate mongering; but I’m not sure why volunteering at the LGBT place is relevant.

lorien1973 on August 15, 2012 at 9:27 PM

Wow

Ronnie on August 15, 2012 at 9:32 PM

Yes Ronnie he would not have in no way been affected by his time volunteering…no way.
/sarc.

CW on August 15, 2012 at 9:35 PM

What do you call someone who hates those who think homosexuality is abnormal or unacceptable? There’s a word for everything else. Why not a word for that? And don’t say “a liberal”. That’s too easy.

Paul-Cincy on August 15, 2012 at 9:23 PM

Intolerant?

Dongemaharu on August 15, 2012 at 9:35 PM

slickwillie2001 on August 15, 2012 at 9:24 PM

Wow! This is not your father’s SPLC…race hustling for profit…perfect description.

d1carter on August 15, 2012 at 9:36 PM

Really?

CW on August 15, 2012 at 9:28 PM

Yes, i think the conclusion you want to jump to is wrong.

The situation has an overall climate of leftwing hate that pretty much guaranteed something violent was going to happen at some point; but that doesn’t imply that volunteering at this place was the spark.

lorien1973 on August 15, 2012 at 9:36 PM

GAY ACTIVIST SHOOTS UP FAMILY RESEARCH COUNCIL

Paul-Cincy on August 15, 2012 at 9:37 PM

When lone gunman attacks like this happen, it is wrong to conjecture about motive.

TXUS on August 15, 2012 at 9:35 PM

OK, but when he walks from a LGBT center to a Chick-fil-A to the FRC, I think we can go ahead and get that conjecture ball rolling.

Ronnie on August 15, 2012 at 9:37 PM

you must agree with anal marriage or the left will kill you, and the HRC has blood on their hands.

tm11999 on August 15, 2012 at 9:37 PM

SPLC is certainly a hate group, but it’s primarily a money-making race hustling organization for Morris Dees: Southern ‘Poverty’ Law Center Cayman Island Bank Account

slickwillie2001 on August 15, 2012 at 9:24 PM

Wow ! just wow ! and the taxpayers are funding SPLC, what a shame .

burrata on August 15, 2012 at 9:37 PM

I’m sure this guy got the idea to shoot up this place from leftist hate mongering; but I’m not sure why volunteering at the LGBT place is relevant.
lorien1973 on August 15, 2012 at 9:27 PM

Your answer is in your own puzzlement; the homosexual groups are the source of leftist hate mongering.

whatcat on August 15, 2012 at 9:37 PM

A HateWatch Staff…..WF-WTH!!???

So,all the LeftySphere are denouncing it,ah,just for today
I bet,and yet,no word from OMama Obama,or Hopey,or Pelosi,or Fluke,
or…….

Southern Law Poverty Centre
—————————–

SPLC Statement on Shooting at Family Research Council
Posted in Hate Crime by Hatewatch Staff on August 15, 2012

We’ve seen news of the shooting of a security guard today at the Family Research Council office in Washington, D.C., and are getting media inquiries about it. There are unconfirmed reports that the shooting was ideologically motivated. We condemn all acts of violence and are following the story closely.
=================================================

http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/08/15/splc-statement-on-shooting-at-family-research-council/

canopfor on August 15, 2012 at 6:17 PM

canopfor on August 15, 2012 at 9:38 PM

Hate on the plate pate.

de rigueur on August 15, 2012 at 9:38 PM

Long time no see:)

For sure, this shooter was most likely pushed over the edge based on hearing those militant leftist gay groups and their own brand of “hate”. But this guy acted on his own as well…and made the decision to pull the trigger himself.

We didn’t like the way the media portrayed that shooter in Fla who killed Trayvon Martin because it quickly became a racial thing. Calling out gays in general is simply ridiculous.

My prayers go out to the victim and his family.

JetBoy on August 15, 2012 at 9:13 PM

In a way these groups aren’t so much gay, they are militant left wing activist groups picking “issues” to demagogue to usurp power.

the_nile on August 15, 2012 at 9:39 PM

but that doesn’t imply that volunteering at this place was the spark.

lorien1973 on August 15, 2012 at 9:36 PM

Well it sure is newsworthy.

CW on August 15, 2012 at 9:39 PM

For instance, the Southern Poverty Law Center, in all its idiocy, labels Family Research Council a “hate” group, which is ludicrous and intolerant.

I don’t think ‘ludicrous‘ and ‘intolerant‘ go quite far enough. When a group starts labeling people they disagree with politically as “hate groups”, haven’t they crossed the line to become a hate group themselves.

I think we need to treat the SPLC as a hate group until they learn some restraint.

Besides, if you know the history of the SPLC, they’ve always been very hateful to Christians.

tom on August 15, 2012 at 9:39 PM

The situation has an overall climate of leftwing hate that pretty much guaranteed something violent was going to happen at some point; but that doesn’t imply that volunteering at this place was the spark.

lorien1973 on August 15, 2012 at 9:36 PM

It doesn’t have to be a spark. But did it have a hand in the influence of his actions? Which came first–the chicken or the egg; the gay of the shooter or the need to identify with the group to which he belonged, and maybe try to impress?

Liam on August 15, 2012 at 9:40 PM

Family Research Council shooting suspect held on assault with a deadly weapon charge – @TPMLiveWire

1 min ago from livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com by editor

9:33 PM EDT, Wednesday August 15, 2012
http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/family-research-council-shooting-suspect-held-on-assault

canopfor on August 15, 2012 at 9:40 PM

Yes Ronnie he would not have in no way been affected by his time volunteering…no way.
/sarc.

CW on August 15, 2012 at 9:35 PM

I agree. Lets feed into the leftist idea that because you volunteer for the military, you are more prone to going psycho and killing people.

Is this the road you want to start walking down? That every psycho is analyzed by where he volunteers as motivation?

His ideology put along side the leftists’ climate of hate against chick fila and FRC is more than sufficient.

lorien1973 on August 15, 2012 at 9:40 PM

I wonder if theres a “center” for my sexual hang-ups? Just wondering.

bernverdnardo1 on August 15, 2012 at 9:41 PM

ABC News led with this story, prefacing “Family Research Council” with “powerful”, the same way they talk about the NRA. “Powerful gun lobby”. Do they ever call such left-wing groups “powerful”? Or are they always considered underdogs, grass roots, “of the people”, or “left” *cough* “out”?

Paul-Cincy on August 15, 2012 at 9:41 PM

Your answer is in your own puzzlement; the homosexual groups are the source of leftist hate mongering.

whatcat on August 15, 2012 at 9:37 PM

In this case, the source of the hate was the mayors of Boston and Chicago wasn’t it? Then SLPC kicked in and called FRC a hate group.

lorien1973 on August 15, 2012 at 9:42 PM

OK, but when he walks from a LGBT center to a Chick-fil-A to the FRC, I think we can go ahead and get that conjecture ball rolling.

Ronnie on August 15, 2012 at 9:37 PM

Conjecture, on second thought, was the wrong word. What I should’ve said was that a discussion of motive or political affiliation is irrelevant when dealing with these lone gunman attacks. Thanks for catching that.

TXUS on August 15, 2012 at 9:42 PM

I wonder if theres a “center” for my sexual hang-ups? Just wondering.

bernverdnardo1 on August 15, 2012 at 9:41 PM

Las Vegas?

the_nile on August 15, 2012 at 9:42 PM

nope, no luck

bernverdnardo1 on August 15, 2012 at 9:43 PM

A delusional (possibly gay.. don’t have to be one to support/volunteer on behalf of the cause) dude is convinced that he’s threatened, takes it out on who he believes is the enemy, and he represents all gays?
Nope. Don’t believe that. Ain’t going there.
Because he doesn’t.
Hypocrisy in media ?? I’d wager that’s one of the biggest sparks behind alot of ‘our’ rage in return. Sure fosters a sense of helplessness, when we all know so many DELUDED lefties that just refuse to see the truth, and ‘hate’ us for attempting to help them see.
Sigh.
My 2c.

pambi on August 15, 2012 at 9:43 PM

GAY ACTIVIST SHOOTS UP [PEACEFUL] FAMILY RESEARCH COUNCIL ORIENTED RELIGIOUS PEOPLE

Paul-Cincy on August 15, 2012 at 9:37 PM

NEWS the MSM would never find fit to print.

Liam on August 15, 2012 at 9:43 PM

Why shouldn’t the lefty media ignore the story. The lefties thrive on accusing others with whom they disagree and “hate groups”. They believe it gives them ‘the moral high ground’. In reality, it merely shows their bigotry when it comes to espousing ‘tolerance and diversity’. Yeah, as long as it’s THEIR tolerance and diversity.

But folks are beginning to push back. They’re not buying the crap any longer. (Just look at the Chic-fil-a Buy-athon). The lefties in all their victim-hood are no longer getting a free pass.

They’ve maxed out the “Hate” card and the “Race” card.

GarandFan on August 15, 2012 at 9:44 PM

Exactly. I’m incredibly proud of the LGBT movement today, they demonstrated that there’s no shame in condemning violence that may even have the vaguest appearance of being related to their political cause.
libfreeordie on August 15, 2012 at 9:03 PM

Yes, because it takes an incredible amount of courage to offer up a “violence is bad, mmmkay” CYA statement in the wake of a shooting that seems to be politically motivated.

Meanwhile, “conservative” groups that promote “anti-Muslim sentiment” (which groups would those be, exactly? The Cato Institute? Focus on the Family?) should apologize for an attack on non-Muslim, non-Arab Sihks.

Amazing.

Good Solid B-Plus on August 15, 2012 at 9:13 PM

What this clown is trying to say and saying it extremely poorly is that we (conservatives, especially white ones) should be apologizing for everything because if we were as enlightened as doof here then the skies would be filled with love and unicorns.

What else can one say about a “person” who would toss this off:

I’m saying that LGBT groups demonstrated a self-reflexivity that consistently eludes the right. Its not your fault, its one of the symptoms of privilege.

libfreeordie on August 15, 2012 at 9:10 PM

This is what they think folks. There’s no compromise here, just our defeat and destruction, because, well, we’re inferior and unenlightened.

kim roy on August 15, 2012 at 9:46 PM

Is anyone else noticing a strong trend amongst these shootings?

All done by the left and the dregs of its largely lunatic, batsh*t crazy fringe.

Yet, the leftist media will try its best to tie itself into pretzels to try and create a positive out of this. For their protected species’ benefactors and their disgusting agenda.

Jack Deth on August 15, 2012 at 9:47 PM

Lorien- where did I say it was his motivation but to not think it is newsworthy and quite possibly played a role is just silly.

Just read the lefties comments….the faux left wing condemnations ring silent on me ears.

http://twitchy.com/2012/08/15/crosshairs-left-calls-family-research-council-hate-group-reacts-to-shooting-shooter-yelled-about-frcs-values/

CW on August 15, 2012 at 9:47 PM

The difference between AA and gay groups:

AA–We’re all drunks who screwed up royally and we want to help each other stay sober.

Gay Groups: Embrace your appetites! And remember, Christian groups want us all dead so we need to fight!

Liam on August 15, 2012 at 9:47 PM

How will this affect 0bama’s stance toward gay marriage in the election?

OmahaConservative on August 15, 2012 at 8:56 PM

..bending over and grabbing his ankles?

The War Planner on August 15, 2012 at 9:47 PM

Still waiting for libfree to answer either of my questions. Anyone have a Snickers bar? I have a feeling I’m not going anywhere for a while.

Good Solid B-Plus on August 15, 2012 at 9:49 PM

The use of the hate meme serves to dehumanize. Well big surprise.

CW on August 15, 2012 at 9:49 PM

But all teh ghey leaders spoke out against it…

So we’re all cool now… right?

As if.

Own it, azzclowns.

CPT. Charles on August 15, 2012 at 8:50 PM

What an intelligent and perspicacious statement. So when a straight dude shoots people, I’d assume you say “Own it, heteros”.

JetBoy on August 15, 2012 at 8:57 PM

Logic fail. The vast majority of people are straight, so it hardly works to try to treat them as a fringe group.

You need to give up on these false equivalencies between “homo” and “hetero.” They’re two groups which have almost nothing in common except being human. You can’t just take something said about one group and apply it to the other. The analogies are generally flawed by the very nature of the two dissimilar groups.

That would be as illogical as insisting that HIV is no more common among homosexuals than among the general populace.

In fact, for several years we heard confident predictions that AIDS would become a “heterosexual disease,” as if there were no differences between homosexual behavior and general culture that could explain why HIV might be more commn among homosexuals.

Just because you can classify people as “homosexual” and “heterosexual” does not mean that both groups must be equivalent.

tom on August 15, 2012 at 9:49 PM

So,lets review:

We are into only a few days,since Ryan VP announcement,

and Biden/Obama have used words such as,

“Severe”

“Extreme”

“Un-Hinged”

“Irresponsible”………

……um,who again,has demonstrated UnCivility!!!!!!!!!!!!

canopfor on August 15, 2012 at 9:49 PM

Conjecture, on second thought, was the wrong word. What I should’ve said was that a discussion of motive or political affiliation is irrelevant when dealing with these lone gunman attacks. Thanks for catching that.

TXUS on August 15, 2012 at 9:42 PM

Speaking of conjecture, I hadn’t heard that he planned this or carried it out alone. We have no idea who knew what was coming or who else may have been a fake intern plant at FRC. But maybe we can all just discuss whatever we like and we’ll find out if your and my assumptions turn out to be relevant or not in the coming days.

Ronnie on August 15, 2012 at 9:49 PM

In this case, the source of the hate was the mayors of Boston and Chicago wasn’t it? Then SLPC kicked in and called FRC a hate group.

lorien1973 on August 15, 2012 at 9:42 PM

Rahm said something like “Show em Chicago values” , and now someone got shot…

the_nile on August 15, 2012 at 9:50 PM

libfreeordie on August 15, 2012 at 9:10 PM

I think he got scared and ran away, but suffice it to comment that his “logic” had more holes than a 10 lb. block of Swiss cheese.

22044 on August 15, 2012 at 9:50 PM

Intrepid reporter Brian Ross is on it!

Mary Katharine Ham on August 15, 2012 at 8:50 PM

After his obligatory cookie and glass of milk, followed by a nice bedtime story.

Myron Falwell on August 15, 2012 at 9:52 PM

I wonder if theres a “center” for my sexual hang-ups? Just wondering.

bernverdnardo1 on August 15, 2012 at 9:41 PM

Well, there might be, depending on what they are. Years ago, some friends and I founded the Center for Lesbians Imprisoned in Male Bodies, or CLIMB. It’s mission is to stop discrimination against individuals with our genetic affliction, almost half of the USA population, to be exact.

TXUS on August 15, 2012 at 9:52 PM

I have assume that this guy saw everyone at Chic-Fil-A appreciation day as someone who hated him and all that he believes. The Left has only themselves to blame when the blame shooting incidents on the Right and label every difference as hate. People are allowed to disagree.

Cindy Munford on August 15, 2012 at 9:52 PM

Let’s make no mistake.

What Corkins did in willfully packing a backpack with a loaded weapon and extra clips, which indicates intent to shoot several people, walking into that building, actually shooting a security guard, is INDEFENSIBLE short of an insanity plea.

For those on this thread who are apparently bereft of decency, let me make that clear:

There is NO DEFENSE for Corkins’ actions, unless he is judged by medical experts and a court of law to be clinically and criminally insane.

There is virtually no evidence to suggest that he was engaged in self defense. There is no evidence available to suggest that he was engaged in the physical defense of another who was under imminent threat of death.

thatsafactjack on August 15, 2012 at 9:52 PM

If they can hang Tucson on some pic’s of cross hairs on a map then we can lay this squarely at the feet of the Assless Chaps Brigade…

Tim Zank on August 15, 2012 at 9:53 PM

I think he got scared and ran away, but suffice it to comment that his “logic” had more holes than a 10 lb. block of Swiss cheese.

22044 on August 15, 2012 at 9:50 PM

What he wanted to do was post the typical “educated”(aka brainwashed) talking points so he could feel all superior and pompous and then flee giggling all the way like the little wanker he is.

CW on August 15, 2012 at 9:53 PM

This story is mentioned exactly once on the CNN website halfway down the page and not at all on MSNBC.

Complete and utter hypocrites.

WisCon on August 15, 2012 at 9:54 PM

Funny I haven’t heard the phrase “left-wing extremist” in conjunction with this story…wait, I guess I’ve never heard the lamestream media say those three words together…well…ever.

miConsevative on August 15, 2012 at 9:54 PM

sociopaths are sociopaths. period. they should be defined by the line they personally opted on their own to cross over not by their choice of victims or implied personal political leanings.( save of course if their political associations specifically advocate killing other humans and criminality to advance their cause- then they’re a hive of sociopaths like the black panthers and the weather underdouches, radical islamists who advocate killing heathens and jews.).

the fact remains- the majority of mass murderers in american history share a few traits- they are majority male, majority white and rarely are they homosexual. loner angry straight white dude looking to take out his personal frustrations on someone.

timmy mcveigh was clearly coming from the right-his motivation was supposedly a response to Waco. it’s always more complicated than blanket statements by those who even vaguely see themselves aligned or slightly associated with either the perpetrator or the victims in these incidents. mass murderers are serial killers, nearly everyone with a personality disorder based in either narcissism, paranoia or a combination of both. they are seeking revenge- and underneath their perceived crusades and ideological leanings is always a highly personal, psychologically bent reason that is all about themselves.

at the extremes one always finds the most damaged people capable of the most outrageous interpersonal crimes- that’s why the radical left is full of serial bombers and cop killers and the real (not democrat demonized average law abiding republican or christian) radical right too has its mcveighs and abortion doctor killers. the great unsaid truth is that historically there are far more incidents of left wing radical violence no matter what big sister says. and the greatest mass murder on american soil remains 9/11-by this administration’s most sacred, untouchable and dangerous of pets.

mittens on August 15, 2012 at 9:55 PM

Jack Deth on August 15, 2012 at 9:47 PM

I don’t think you can call the killings in Arizona and Aurora Lefties but I think “lunatic, batsh*t crazy” probably covers it nicely.

Cindy Munford on August 15, 2012 at 9:55 PM

If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun,” Obama

CW on August 15, 2012 at 9:57 PM

Your answer is in your own puzzlement; the homosexual groups are the source of leftist hate mongering.
whatcat on August 15, 2012 at 9:37 PM

In this case, the source of the hate was the mayors of Boston and Chicago wasn’t it? Then SLPC kicked in and called FRC a hate group.
lorien1973 on August 15, 2012 at 9:42 PM

In the direct causal relationship you were wondering about – his affiliation with whatever homosexual groups – the first link would be those homosexual groups he is involved with. The others you mentioned just stoked the fire of hatred – so they are part of the chain and share in the guilt.
This guy might evoke the influence of SPLC, GLAAD, and misc militant homosexual groups in his trial as being the element that sent him over the edge if he want’s to cop to an insanity plea.

whatcat on August 15, 2012 at 9:58 PM

thatsafactjack on August 15, 2012 at 9:52 PM

That he walked in there with a backpack with clips and had the forethought to bring Chick-Fil-A, given recent events, will make an insanity plea very difficult to sustain. The issue in such a plea is whether the actor could discern right from wrong at the time of the crime, and the facts noted above show a clear premeditation, which almost always defeats an insanity defense.

TXUS on August 15, 2012 at 9:58 PM

In this case, the source of the hate was the mayors of Boston and Chicago wasn’t it? Then SLPC kicked in and called FRC a hate group.

lorien1973 on August 15, 2012 at 9:42 PM

The SLPC labeled FRC a “hate group” in 2011, long before the Chick-Fil-A issue arose.

Flora Duh on August 15, 2012 at 9:59 PM

That he walked in there with a backpack with clips

TXUS on August 15, 2012 at 9:58 PM

Once more with feeling…Magazines.

Be better than the newsies.

cozmo on August 15, 2012 at 10:00 PM

I have assume that this guy saw everyone at Chic-Fil-A appreciation day as someone who hated him and all that he believes.
Cindy Munford on August 15, 2012 at 9:52 PM

Maybe he watched Shep @ FNC

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/ken-shepherd/2012/08/01/subtle-dig-colleague-mike-huckabee-fncs-shep-smith-slams-chick-fil-app

burrata on August 15, 2012 at 10:00 PM

The media finally has a “teabagger” as they like to call us to hang blame for a shooting on and wont touch it.

Where is Brian Williams!

TroubledMonkey on August 15, 2012 at 10:01 PM

I have assume that this guy saw everyone at Chic-Fil-A appreciation day as someone who hated him and all that he believes. The Left has only themselves to blame when the blame shooting incidents on the Right and label every difference as hate. People are allowed to disagree.

Cindy Munford on August 15, 2012 at 9:52 PM

The libs should be forced to eat their own “standards”.

the_nile on August 15, 2012 at 10:01 PM

burrata on August 15, 2012 at 10:00 PM

Shep’s an azz.

Cindy Munford on August 15, 2012 at 10:01 PM

thatsafactjack on August 15, 2012 at 9:52 PM

But…but…what about his sense of alienation? I mean, he was obviously pro-gay which is a bad thing being black.

Plus, he’s black, which set much more against him for being pro-gay, and surly worse if he is gay.

Then, he’s a light-skinned black, which made everyone hate him; he had no place to fit among blacks or whites! And it’s sure that if there were Martians, they’d oppress him, too.

He’s overweight, too–another strike against him (how many is that now?)

Of course evil white Christian Conservative racist bigots upset him so much! So, as the HA moral compass and conscience called libfree says, “I’m saying that LGBT groups demonstrated a self-reflexivity…”

Case dismissed!

Liam on August 15, 2012 at 10:03 PM

miConsevative on August 15, 2012 at 9:54 PM

Because everyone knows there is no such thing.

Cindy Munford on August 15, 2012 at 10:03 PM

What he wanted to do was post the typical “educated”(aka brainwashed) talking points so he could feel all superior and pompous and then flee giggling all the way like the little wanker he is.

CW on August 15, 2012 at 9:53 PM

Too bad, I was waiting for him to explain why “sexual minorities” needed “liberating.” And we won’t get into why he said the LGBT response was “self-reflexive.” Good grief, he’s tedious.

Deanna on August 15, 2012 at 10:03 PM

Once more with feeling…Magazines.

Be better than the newsies.

cozmo on August 15, 2012 at 10:00 PM

As soon as I hit send and realized I’d used Jackie’s word, and not the correct word, I knew I’d get hell about it. In fact, I’m usually the one ranting about this very thing, drives me nuts. So, thanks for the correction, as I was about to do it myself, sua sponte.

TXUS on August 15, 2012 at 10:07 PM

The libs should be forced to eat their own “standards”.

the_nile on August 15, 2012 at 10:01 PM

Liberals have no use for solid standards. All they need are to mock ours generally, then use our own against us as they need at the moment.

Liam on August 15, 2012 at 10:08 PM

Because everyone knows there is no such thing.

Cindy Munford on August 15, 2012 at 10:03 PM

Oh yeah…I forgot –
–Left-wing extremists = imaginary
–Unicorns and Joe Biden’s brain = totally real

Hadn’t gotten to the bottom of my Kool-aid drink for the night.

miConsevative on August 15, 2012 at 10:08 PM

I hope I am wrong, but It’s seeming more and more these are the preliminary shots in the coming “Cultural Civil War”.

Lord God, Please let me be wrong.

-Wasteland Man.

WastelandMan on August 15, 2012 at 10:10 PM

I for the life of me can’t understand how 1% of the total population, derived so much political power. So we have 1% of the nation that are LGBT and yet they wield so much power. Isn’t this the reverse of the 1% cried over by the OWS crowd.

jainphx on August 15, 2012 at 10:11 PM

Even though LGBT rights groups bear no responsibility for Corkins actions, twenty five independent groups released statements condemning the actions. How many conservative groups who had participated in the anti-Muslim rhetoric that contributed to the Sikh shooting release any kind of statement after the Wisonsin shooting that left over half a dozen people dead? Exactly.

libfreeordie on August 15, 2012 at 9:03 PM

Yup.

You’re a complete and total liar and hypocrite, you worthless piece of racist crap.

And you just demonstrated it.

Too bad your lies finally were shown to the American public today when one of your fellow liberal gays tried to shoot and kill people.

You own this, trash. Your rhetoric caused it. You can choke on the medicine you’ve tried to feed others.

northdallasthirty on August 15, 2012 at 10:13 PM

I’m incredibly proud of the LGBT movement today, they demonstrated that there’s no shame in condemning violence that may even have the vaguest appearance of being related to their political cause.

libfreeordie on August 15, 2012 at 9:03 PM

And tomorrow they’ll be right back to inciting violence towards anyone who doesn’t support special rights for gays.

Wendya on August 15, 2012 at 10:13 PM

So people in a theater are gunned down and ABC, et al jump to the conclusion that the shooter is a Tea Party member. Reality: WRONG!

Someone enters the FRC HQ and opens fire, and we start off saying it’s an LGBT sympathizer. Reality: DINGDINGDING!!

AubieJon on August 15, 2012 at 10:15 PM

TXUS on August 15, 2012 at 9:58 PM

That would be my point, TXUS.

There is no defense for this individual based on the evidence we have at hand.

thatsafactjack on August 15, 2012 at 10:15 PM

TXUS on August 15, 2012 at 10:07 PM

I usually don’t get on folks for that. With TX in your handle though… He writes as he is filling up some clips of .223 for Saturday. It no fun taking time to load magazines at the range when as soon as you get them loaded they call a ceasefire.

cozmo on August 15, 2012 at 10:16 PM

I’m incredibly proud of the LGBT movement today, they demonstrated that there’s no shame in condemning violence that may even have the vaguest appearance of being related to their political cause.

libfreeordie on August 15, 2012 at 9:03 PM

Actually, by their own standards, their violent rhetoric directly caused this shooting.

They employed this shooter, they promoted this shooter, and they gave him the tools he needed. Therefore, according to their own rules, they are responsible.

Why do you want Christians dead, libfreeordie? Is that why you have the name you do — because you intend to kill anyone who isn’t a liberal, like your fellow black gay man tried to do today?

northdallasthirty on August 15, 2012 at 10:17 PM

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