Cops: Suspect in FRC shooting volunteered at Washington LGBT center

posted at 8:42 pm on August 15, 2012 by Mary Katharine Ham

The other post was getting mighty heavy, so I’m adding new updates here.

We’re learning more about the suspected shooter, Floyd Corkins II, of Herndon, Va.:

(AP) WASHINGTON – A man suspected of shooting and wounding a security guard in the lobby of a Christian lobbying group had been volunteering at a community center for gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender people.

A law enforcement official has identified the suspect arrested in Wednesday’s shooting as Floyd Corkins II of Herndon, Va. Investigators were interviewing his neighbors.

Another official says the shooter made a negative reference about the work of the Family Research Council before opening fire. The officials spoke anonymously because they were not authorized to discuss the ongoing investigation.

David Mariner is executive director of The DC Center for the LGBT Community. He says Corkins had been volunteering at the center for about the past 6 months. Mariner describes Corkins as “kind, gentle and unassuming.”

A group of gay rights groups released a statement condemning the shooting:

We were saddened to hear news of the shooting this morning at the offices of the Family Research Council. Our hearts go out to the shooting victim, his family, and his co-workers.

The motivation and circumstances behind today’s tragedy are still unknown, but regardless of what emerges as the reason for this shooting, we utterly reject and condemn such violence. We wish for a swift and complete recovery for the victim of this terrible incident.

I avoided getting into the possible motivations of the suspect early on, as everyone should do in the confusing wake of a shooting. This time, when it bothered to cover the shooting at all, the media did the same. It is instructive, though, to remember how a total absence of evidence that Jared Loughner was a conservative nonetheless led to immediate and sustained coverage of how right-leaning political rhetoric had somehow caused the shooting. In this case, the shooter had a political target, there are reports of his yelling about his opposition to FRC during the attack and carrying a Chick-fil-A bag, and now there’s a leftish-leaning political affiliation in the form of his volunteerism. And yet, Brian Ross managed to stay away from Google today.

CNN managed to stay away from the story entirely for more than two hours despite the fact that FRC’s offices are less than a mile from their D.C. bureau. The Huffington Post‘s afternoon e-mailed Capitol Hill report mentioned nary a word about the shooting. The Washington Post noted the suspected shooter “expressed disagreement” with the organization’s positions.

Talking Points Memo, a left-leaning reported blog, should be commended for staying with the story all day long, thoroughly and doggedly. Ryan J. Reilly was the reporter on this, and his headline goes further than any I’ve seen in addressing the shooter’s possible motivations: “Family Research Council shooter allegedly motivated by group’s anti-gay stances”

Frankly, if the media covered all these shootings with a modicum of the circumspection it showed today, I’d be happy. Gabriel Malor has a list of all the times the media has blamed violence on the right and turned out to be wrong. It’s not pretty. Unfortunately, that circumspection seems to be reserved for people shooting up conservative organizations and people yelling “Allahu Akbar,” whose motives cannot possibly be divined.

To illustrate the double standard, all you have to do is replace one letter of this story. FRC becomes HRC, the Human Rights Campaign. Please tell me CNN would have missed that story for several hours or that the media would studiously have noted, over and over, that police had no clues as to the motive of the shooter.

Conservatives should certainly point out this double standard, but I’d caution us not to go down the same road the Left has. For instance, the Southern Poverty Law Center, in all its idiocy, labels Family Research Council a “hate” group, which is ludicrous and intolerant. But that didn’t cause a probably crazy person to shoot up an advocacy group. They should be pressed to live by their own rhetoric rules— new tone!— but I get nervous when anyone starts saying political speech is responsible for any subsequent physical violence.

Obama finally reacted to the shooting this evening, through Press Secretary Jay Carney reporting to the press pool. He used what appears to be the subject line from Mitt Romney’s 2:14 p.m. e-mailed statement on the incident.

Romney subject line: MITT ROMNEY: THERE IS NO PLACE FOR VIOLENCE IN OUR SOCIETY

Obama: “this type of violence has no place in our society,” per a pool report.

The sentence is pretty standard fare for what is becoming a far-too-frequent occasion, but it’s odd, isn’t it? Especially when the president found time to give a pretty thorough defense of Vice President Joe Biden’s “chains” comments to People Magazine today. Speaking of Biden, per the press pool report, he stopped at a memorial for the Va. Tech massacre today at 2:20 p.m., several hours after news of the FRC shooting had broken. He was asked what the memorial meant to him, but not about today’s shooting.

Again, replace FRC with HRC, and imagine that.

There are conflicting reports as to whether this has been classified as “domestic terrorism.” The FBI was on the scene all day and interviewing associates, suggesting it might be. Domestic terrorism implies a political motive. Authorities are now interviewing the suspect’s neighbors in Herndon, Va., according to WTOP.

Again, this is a photo of the alleged shooter, apparently taken by a witness at the scene.


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Person with unknown political associations shoots people: Media wants so bad to blame conservative hate they jump to it until they can’t. Even after he is shown to be just a whack job, it’s conservatives spewing hate that are poisoning the debate.

Person with known liberal agenda shoots up a conservative organization: Media can barely contain their assertions that the conservative group had it coming to them.

PastorJon on August 16, 2012 at 12:28 AM

faraway on August 16, 2012 at 12:23 AM

Curious, isn’t it, that modern liblets are too puerile to even listen to the ones they follow?

I bet if Marx, Lenin, Mao, and Alinsky told them to never stick their hands in a fire, hospital burn units would be overflowed.

Liam on August 16, 2012 at 12:31 AM

I’m sure this guy got the idea to shoot up this place from leftist hate mongering; but I’m not sure why volunteering at the LGBT place is relevant.

lorien1973 on August 15, 2012 at 9:27 PM

You don’t? You honestly don’t?

TigerPaw on August 16, 2012 at 12:37 AM

For instance, the Southern Poverty Law Center, in all its idiocy, labels Family Research Council a “hate” group, which is ludicrous and intolerant. But that didn’t cause a probably crazy person to shoot up an advocacy group.

Oh really? How do you know this?

At this time we have no idea what caused them to do this. It’s very possible with all the talk of FRC and Tony Perkins being the next Nazi movement during the Chick Fil A debacle that someone nutcase did decide to go into terrorist mode.

Every single person I got into a debate with over the Chick Fil A episode said the same exact thing: Chick Fil A was funding “hate groups”. And a couple of them mentioned the Family Research Council by name when I asked them to name these so-called “hate groups”.

There’s an LGBT site they were all linking to with this information.

So as prevalent as the “hate group” talk was during that time, I don’t find it very difficult to see someone that is half-cocked go full militant.

ButterflyDragon on August 16, 2012 at 12:43 AM

Guys, I don’t think MKH is blind to the possibilities or the probabilities, I think she is suggesting that we not take the early reports as gospel. Although usually we have the guy’s facebook page by now.

Cindy Munford on August 16, 2012 at 12:48 AM

I beside myself. Libfreeordie aka deathtomediahacks, you should self ban yourself permanently. In the dictionary, right next to the word hypocrite is your picture.

Let me get this striaght. You argued for weeks that the motive for Zimmerman shooting Martin was racism. (Without a shred of evidendence)

You almost demanded that Conservatives here all take at least partial credit for a shooting at an Indian place of worship becasue it was commited by a skinhead and we “sowed seeds of hate” against Muslims (sic).

But a guy directly affiliated with the Gay Rights Movement going into the FRC ranting about the Gay Movement carrying a Chick-Fil-A bag and you say this …

Even though LGBT rights groups bear no responsibility for Corkins actions, twenty five independent groups released statements condemning the actions. How many conservative groups who had participated in the anti-Muslim rhetoric that contributed to the Sikh shooting release any kind of statement after the Wisonsin shooting that left over half a dozen people dead? Exactly.

libfreeordie on August 15, 2012 at 9:03 PM

Just ban yourself again. You won’t be happy untill shooting Christians is okay as long as they’re in season. You’re pathetic and your whole twisted view of the world is pathetic.

hawkdriver on August 16, 2012 at 12:49 AM

I’m …

hawkdriver on August 16, 2012 at 12:49 AM

Guys, I don’t think MKH is blind to the possibilities or the probabilities, I think she is suggesting that we not take the early reports as gospel. Although usually we have the guy’s facebook page by now.

Cindy Munford on August 16, 2012 at 12:48 AM

While I understand what you mean, we don’t have any more refutations of the news already available. Agreed, there is more to come. But at this stage, it’s reasonable to conclude the current run isn’t going to be somehow and suddenly reversed. About the most the left can get here is to have a judge put a gag order on further details, like in the case of Holmes.

Or, like in WI, the police stopped revealing further information.

Liam on August 16, 2012 at 12:53 AM

hawkdriver on August 16, 2012 at 12:49 AM

libfree can’t even keep his own head straight. First he denies blame for the attack, then takes pride that gays are finally standing up for themselves when he had nothing to do with it.

But, to the logical conclusion, if he takes pride among the gays of which the shooter is a part when they ‘stand up for themselves’, then libfree is partly responsible for the attempted murders today.

Fun when liblets put themselves in a no-win situation, isn’t it?

Liam on August 16, 2012 at 1:00 AM

Liam on August 16, 2012 at 1:00 AM

The stretch that you have to make to come to his conclusions boggles my mind. He and his ilk, his movement, is either mentally deranged to not be able to see the harm they do or they’re fully aware and just the most deceitful group that ever existed. Either way, what little understanding they garnered before should not be afforded to them.

hawkdriver on August 16, 2012 at 1:09 AM

Liam on August 16, 2012 at 12:53 AM

I noticed the silence on the Temple shooting, I imagine it is because it has been classified as domestic terrorism. To soon to say about this one.

Cindy Munford on August 16, 2012 at 1:12 AM

The stretch that you have to make to come to his conclusions boggles my mind. He and his ilk, his movement, is either mentally deranged to not be able to see the harm they do or they’re fully aware and just the most deceitful group that ever existed. Either way, what little understanding they garnered before should not be afforded to them.

hawkdriver on August 16, 2012 at 1:09 AM

libfree is the kind of sub-species among the classification of liberals that I have: a contrarian.

I don’t believe liberals are part of any currently-defined psychological classification. They need a new one all their own. libfree is a sub-set, as I defined.

Contrarians debate anything put out before them by their decided-upon enemies. Even if those enemies agree with the contrarian that a particular event is awful, the contrarian cannot stop at the limits of the event. He has to push more, needing to somehow make it worse.

This becomes an imperative if the contrarian faces an occasion perpetrated by one of his own select or kind. Then, the contrarian has to deflect so seriously that, over time, his opinions will expand so widely that they lose all cognition and unity with each other, becoming polar opposites but with both conditions held as true within the mind of the contrarian, at the same time.

Liberalism isn’t a mental disorder. It’s a whole new field of psychology and understanding.

Liam on August 16, 2012 at 1:22 AM

I noticed the silence on the Temple shooting, I imagine it is because it has been classified as domestic terrorism. To soon to say about this one.

Cindy Munford on August 16, 2012 at 1:12 AM

Police stopped releasing more information on the shooter. We know more about JFK’s trysts with Marylin Monroe than we do about the Temple shooter.

I wonder why.

Liam on August 16, 2012 at 1:25 AM

Liam on August 16, 2012 at 1:22 AM

They’re sick people.

hawkdriver on August 16, 2012 at 1:26 AM

Liam on August 16, 2012 at 1:25 AM

I don’t know why, I assume it is in case there are more people involved. It took us a long time to find out about JFK and we probably aren’t don’t learning yet. I was kind of surprised we didn’t hear more about community support but maybe that is a more local story.

Cindy Munford on August 16, 2012 at 1:28 AM

They’re sick people.

hawkdriver on August 16, 2012 at 1:26 AM

I find them to be worse than that. They’re liberals, and sunk fully into liberalism and what it means to be liberal.

I don’t know, hawkdriver. The closest I can get to grasping them is like a person who gets into being beaten bloody for sexual gratification. And I don’t fully understand those kinds of people, either!

Liam on August 16, 2012 at 1:34 AM

I don’t know why, I assume it is in case there are more people involved. It took us a long time to find out about JFK and we probably aren’t don’t learning yet. I was kind of surprised we didn’t hear more about community support but maybe that is a more local story.

Cindy Munford on August 16, 2012 at 1:28 AM

libfree griped that HA didn’t do more stories on the healing and all after the Temple shooting, but CNN and MSNBC didn’t make a big deal, either. The MSM still has large control, too much in my book.

But news is a business nowadays, not a part of the overall expenses that used to be counted from the networks. The news shows are about the celebrity anchors when, in my day, we had the 6:00 News to 6:15. Then, back to our featured program.

It’s also not news that the Temple shooter is dead now. With the blackout on further details of him, it’s, “Hey! That Ryan guy is so radical he can’t get his budget passed!…Harry Reid explains it all!…News at eleven!”

Liam on August 16, 2012 at 1:40 AM

Liam on August 16, 2012 at 1:40 AM

The only thing I heard about those poor folks after the shooting was that they had fixed and repainted but left one bullet hole as a memorial. Never would I want those people to think they are unsafe because of their skin color or religion. So un-American. I’m calling it a night, it has been great discussing this with you.

Cindy Munford on August 16, 2012 at 1:51 AM

I’m calling it a night
Cindy Munford on August 16, 2012 at 1:51 AM

Pretty dreams!

Liam on August 16, 2012 at 1:54 AM

Doctor Zero sums it up:

We’re also still waiting for the media to spring into action and treat this incident the way they’ve attempted to politicize the Tucson and Colorado shootings – especially since, unlike those incidents, the FRC attacker actually did express some political motivations.

Liberals routinely refer to the FRC as a “hate group” – the Southern Poverty Law Center officially describes it that way – so we should quickly receive a hyperventilating column from Paul Krugman of the New York Times, denouncing the “climate of hate” that led this individual to perpetrate a violent attack on his demonized ideological enemies. Hateful liberal talk-show hosts should be duly indicted for their role in creating this “climate of hate.”

Once the name of the shooter is released, ABC News should promptly Google it, and inform viewers whether any member of a liberal group anywhere in the District of Columbia has a similar name. That’s how they handled the Colorado killer, after a 30-second web search revealed a member of a local Tea Party group had a similar name.

And of course, we’ll need some tortured explanations for how a lack of gun control laws somehow led to this attack, even though Washington, D.C. already has some of the strictest gun control laws in the nation.

Or… maybe we could hold this one individual wholly responsible for his actions, and refuse to grant him a “psychopath’s veto” over people of good faith who happen to take the same side of a major social debate. Maybe we could respectfully disagree with competing arguments, and reserve condemnations of “hatred” for the people who are actually pointing weapons at the people they hate.

“Psychopath’s veto” is a great phrase. Even as the Left jumps to blame, the Right can jump to avoiding placing responsibility squarely on the shoulders of those who do evil. People can choose and do evil because they want to do so, and not because they have a mental illness divorcing them from reality.

GLAAD et al., may have made a statement about what happened, but when will they condemn the Southern Poverty Law Center for categorizing Family Research Center and others as hate groups? When will they condemn the use of intimidation tactics by gays? That might give their statement more credibility.

INC on August 16, 2012 at 2:33 AM

I forgot the link to Doctor Zero (John Hayward).

INC on August 16, 2012 at 2:36 AM

GLAAD et al., may have made a statement about what happened, but when will they condemn the Southern Poverty Law Center for categorizing Family Research Center and others as hate groups? When will they condemn the use of intimidation tactics by gays?

Never.

Liberals never call their own kind on the merits and morality of themselves. To do that of any liberal group is, in essence, to call all of liberalism into question.

Liam on August 16, 2012 at 2:39 AM

Liam on August 16, 2012 at 2:39 AM

I agree. They would have to disband or individuals who realized that needed to be done would have to leave.

INC on August 16, 2012 at 2:45 AM

It seems like there are a lot of shootings nowadays. Is it just because I haven’t been around long enough? (I’m 23)

Donald Draper on August 15, 2012 at 9:05 PM

Yes, there really isn’t any more mass killings per capita then there was lets say 20 years ago. As a matter of fact, between 1986-1993 there was a total of 5 Post office shootings in which a total of 27 people were killed. The term “going postal” was created from those killings. And thats just post office killings involving disgruntled workers. I think there was 3 famous Fast Food killings around the same time that involved many, many deaths. This kind of a thing isn’t anything new. Only how its covered.

KMav on August 16, 2012 at 2:49 AM

I agree. They would have to disband or individuals who realized that needed to be done would have to leave.

INC on August 16, 2012 at 2:45 AM

Liberals never question liberalism, no matter what, yet they refuse to indulge in a lot of their own areas. Liberals are just a lot of gibber-gabber.

For example, why won’t a ‘straight’ lib do some gay when gay is supposedly all kinds of okay?

I mean, I’m all for guns so I’ll buy guns. But if libs think gay is okay, why won’t they play that way? Is there something about it that bugs them, disgusts them, maybe?

All their excuses tell me they’re more homophobic than Conservatives, given how they freak when I pose this question.

Liam on August 16, 2012 at 2:52 AM

Even though LGBT rights groups bear no responsibility for Corkins actions, twenty five independent groups released statements condemning the actions. How many conservative groups who had participated in the anti-Muslim rhetoric that contributed to the Sikh shooting release any kind of statement after the Wisonsin shooting that left over half a dozen people dead? Exactly.

libfreeordie on August 15, 2012 at 9:03 PM

It’s your boy up there killing Muslims with drones and special forces…so I take it that it’s OK to kill certain Muslims, but not OK to say bad things about them?

Dr. ZhivBlago on August 16, 2012 at 4:48 AM

It’s your boy up there killing Muslims with drones and special forces…so I take it that it’s OK to kill certain Muslims, but not OK to say bad things about them?

Dr. ZhivBlago on August 16, 2012 at 4:48 AM

If liblets like libfree can’t find cause or place to condemn Conservatives, it’s all okay with them; it didn’t happen.

Liam on August 16, 2012 at 4:56 AM

For example, why won’t a ‘straight’ lib do some gay when gay is supposedly all kinds of okay?

I mean, I’m all for guns so I’ll buy guns. But if libs think gay is okay, why won’t they play that way? Is there something about it that bugs them, disgusts them, maybe?

All their excuses tell me they’re more homophobic than Conservatives, given how they freak when I pose this question.

People ignore you when you ask this question because it’s a stupid question. “Hey Atheist, you don’t a problem with Christians so why don’t you pray to God, since being Christian is supposedly all kinds of okay?” Just a stupid ass question.

StoneKrab on August 16, 2012 at 6:31 AM

My take.

kingsjester on August 16, 2012 at 6:32 AM

Chicago Values™

tom daschle concerned on August 16, 2012 at 6:39 AM

Ummm, there must be some mistake in this story. How could there be an FRC shooting when DC bans concealed carry, with some of the strictest gun control laws in the nation?

petefrt on August 16, 2012 at 7:30 AM

Being polite and tolerant to these bigots has only gotten Christians harassed, their businesses vandalized, and now being shot at.

Gloves off. Liberal brats, especially these organizations and their puppets like libfreeordie, need to be choked with their own medicine.

northdallasthirty on August 15, 2012 at 11:08 PM

No mercy, they are going to get to pay the same price for their actions they make us pay.

“Nice” is going to allow one of these darlings who takes the time to learn to use a weapon well and puts people in the ground whose only “sin” is the temerity to feel differently that the ABC Afterschool Special “I AM OUTRAGED!” protected class of the week’s undermining of normalcy.

If we do not forcefully at a minimum point out politelly the inherent double standard the blood from their next temper tantrum will be on the hands of those who do not force the media to the role of impartial chronicle of the events of the day rather than edito of one side’s “narrative”.

You will note that the Sikh Temple shooter spit be upon him is no longer in the news. We know this shooter was in bed with a liberal activist organization and now there is a data embargo from LE. There is a data embargo from LE with regards to the shooter in Wisconsin, and that is in all likelihood because he was OWS.

By politely playing along with “lone psycho” as the narrative without pointing out the evil hypocrisy of the press when the next event happens that ties in any possible way to right wing culpability happens our pointing out this incident has a weaker impact.

People rewarded the left’s biased game with total power in 2008-2010 until we confront the fact that their idiocy works we will never beat it.

harlekwin15 on August 16, 2012 at 8:18 AM

Ummm, there must be some mistake in this story. How could there be an FRC shooting when DC bans concealed carry, with some of the strictest gun control laws in the nation?

petefrt on August 16, 2012 at 7:30 AM

He didn’t use a gun he used his mind.

Kind of like the moonbats and the president think Mitt Romney uses X-rays from his eyes to give people cancer.

harlekwin15 on August 16, 2012 at 8:19 AM

“Hate group! Hate group! Hate group! Hate group!”

– LGBT activists for weeks before the shooting rampage at an organization that disagrees with them by a shooter claiming he did it because they are haters.

“Hey, don’t try blame us for this.”

– LGBT activists within hours after the shooting rampage at an organization that disagrees with them by a shooter claiming he did it because they are haters.

farsighted on August 16, 2012 at 8:30 AM

Contrarians debate anything put out before them by their decided-upon enemies. Even if those enemies agree with the contrarian that a particular event is awful, the contrarian cannot stop at the limits of the event. He has to push more, needing to somehow make it worse.

This becomes an imperative if the contrarian faces an occasion perpetrated by one of his own select or kind. Then, the contrarian has to deflect so seriously that, over time, his opinions will expand so widely that they lose all cognition and unity with each other, becoming polar opposites but with both conditions held as true within the mind of the contrarian, at the same time.

Liam on August 16, 2012 at 1:22 AM

What you call contrarian, I call attention-seeking and needy.

Contrarians, IMO, actually relish the debate and like to provoke with thoughtful arguments. I don’t see much of that among the HA liberals.

Happy Nomad on August 16, 2012 at 8:38 AM

I don’t see much of that among the HA liberals.

Happy Nomad on August 16, 2012 at 8:38 AM

All I see from HA liberals is blatant trolling, desperate attention seeking, and regurgitation of DNC slogans, talking points and propaganda.

farsighted on August 16, 2012 at 8:49 AM

By politely playing along with “lone psycho” as the narrative without pointing out the evil hypocrisy of the press when the next event happens that ties in any possible way to right wing culpability happens our pointing out this incident has a weaker impact.

harlekwin15 on August 16, 2012 at 8:18 AM

I don’t believe there is any such thing as a “lone psycho.” It’s a device used by people seeking to shift blame away from themselves and their influence. Everyone, good or bad, is influenced by their past and environment. They can choose how to utilize what they have taken in but they are still aided and abetted by these factors.
Think about this last example. The LGBT encourages hate speech about a company and an organization. They ignore the more violent rhetoric or excuse/justify it. Someone takes them at their word and acts upon it. Then the LGBT pseudo-apologize after the fact, making them in their minds free of guilt, even by association. Suddenly the hate rhetoric and ‘wink wink’ approval of violence ceases to exist or was simply misunderstood by a “lone psycho.” We are decried as wrong and bigotted to assuage their guilt and to attempt to prove their innocence.
Interestingly, Conservatives are often the opposite. We accept guilt and condemn those who acted as well as those who have used the rhetoric. We would be the first to admit our rhetoric could have been a contributing factor if a relationship is discovered. Even those who condemn the LGBT for their rhetoric are willing to admit when they use similar rhetoric.
So it isn’t the rhetoric, which will always be there, it’s the failure to accept its role in the act that is worthy of condemnation.

Deanna on August 16, 2012 at 9:25 AM

All I see from HA liberals is blatant trolling, desperate attention seeking, and regurgitation of DNC slogans, talking points and propaganda.

farsighted on August 16, 2012 at 8:49 AM

Well what we get from so many HA ‘conservatives’ is rank hypocrisy.
I’m sure it’s a wild conspiracy that shooting at the Sikh temple got so much more coverage in ‘the media’. (Worth noting it didn’t get much here.) Of course maybe the fact that 7 people were killed had just a little something to do with the level of coverage.
And now you want to suggest that ‘this kind of LGBT on social-con violence just doesn’t get the attention it derserves!!’ – when it’s a freakin’ anomaly – and the fact remains that people who work at family planning clinics are MUCH more at risk of being shot at or killed or attacked or harassed that those at D.C. based eligious right advocacy organizations.
But reality just doesn’t fit into the non-stop whining and b.s. feelings of victimization that now just dominate the right’s echo chambers – especially surrounding events like these.

verbaluce on August 16, 2012 at 9:31 AM

All I see from HA liberals is blatant trolling, desperate attention seeking, and regurgitation of DNC slogans, talking points and propaganda.

farsighted on August 16, 2012 at 8:49 AM

verbaluce on August 16, 2012 at 9:31 AM

Did you even respond to farsighted’d points? You in fact proved him/her right.

CW on August 16, 2012 at 9:36 AM

when it’s a freakin’ anomaly

verbaluce on August 16, 2012 at 9:31 AM

The hateful rhetoric from your movement is no anomaly. How many times during the Chick-Fil-A propped up media feeding frenzy did we hear the movement call them hateful. Hate chicken. Hateful Christians. And you go read the comments where this story is being covered. Your side’s common theme, they had it coming.

Your entire existence is pathetic and hypocritical.

hawkdriver on August 16, 2012 at 9:38 AM

Just like with any other grouping of people as all the same, when you say “Gays are going too far”. This shooter went too far, to put it mildly. And you and others here simply dismiss the condemnation of this crime coming from gay-centric organizations. I just do not get it.

JetBoy on August 15, 2012 at 9:01 PM

Meh don’t sweat it. But good to call him out.
I have found that almost every homosexual I’ve ever met was pretty passive & peaceful.
There’s nutbags on every side.
Thankfully, they’re not the majority.

Badger40 on August 16, 2012 at 9:45 AM

Sometimes this gets to be utter silliness.

Just like with any other grouping of people as all the same, when you say “Gays are going too far”. This shooter went too far, to put it mildly. And you and others here simply dismiss the condemnation of this crime coming from gay-centric organizations. I just do not get it.

JetBoy on August 15, 2012 at 9:01 PM

Meh don’t sweat it. But good to call him out.
I have found that almost every homosexual I’ve ever met was pretty passive & peaceful.
There’s nutbags on every side.
Thankfully, they’re not the majority.

Badger40 on August 16, 2012 at 9:45 AM

when it’s a freakin’ anomaly

verbaluce on August 16, 2012 at 9:31 AM

The hateful rhetoric from your movement is no anomaly. How many times during the Chick-Fil-A propped up media feeding frenzy did we hear the movement call them hateful. Hate chicken. Hateful Christians. And you go read the comments where this story is being covered. Your side’s common theme, they had it coming.

Your entire existence is pathetic and hypocritical.

hawkdriver on August 16, 2012 at 9:38 AM

CW on August 16, 2012 at 9:47 AM

a community center for gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender people.

A what? What the hell is a community center for LGBT people? What on earth goes on in such a place?

In the real world, we call them bars.

The LGBT community is now to be tarred as a hate group for all time, and all their defenders in the straight community are enablers and accessories to (at least) attempted murder.

I mean, really, if the FRC can be painted with that brush for simply being pro-traditional marriage (not anti gay, as the constantly thrown out there lie goes) then surely we can all agree that someone who actually shoots at FRC folks is hateful, right? Surely he didn’t do this out of love, right?

The feds need to investigate the entire LGBT community as a domestic terrorist group. If this action doesn’t fit the definition, nothing does.

What? Don’t think it’s fair to lump them all in together? Why not? They do it to us all the time, and in fact have never done anything different. Own it.

runawayyyy on August 16, 2012 at 9:48 AM

Badger and Jet….I will reiterate Hawkdriver’s point about reading the comments at the lefty sites. I dare ya.

Quit being naive.

CW on August 16, 2012 at 9:49 AM

America has been fighting a culture war for a while now. As traditional families seem to be dwindling, and God is taken out of our schools, our homes, and our American culture, we find that His grace has been replaced by an egocentric vulgarity of spirit in many of our citizens.

More and more, this “Shining City on a Hill”, founded on a Solid Rock…finds itself resting on shifting sands.

Hatred has no Political Ideology.

kingsjester on August 16, 2012 at 9:52 AM

I’m sure this guy got the idea to shoot up this place from leftist hate mongering; but I’m not sure why volunteering at the LGBT place is relevant.

lorien1973 on August 15, 2012 at 9:27 PM

He had a Chik-filet bag/connection.

I can certainly add.
I’m surprised you can’t do this in this situation.
And it isn’t playing by leftist standards.
Call the spade the spade, friend.

Badger40 on August 16, 2012 at 9:55 AM

CW on August 16, 2012 at 9:47 AM

I’m not being naive.
I am the last person to agree that homosexuality is an acceptable behavior.
But my personal experience with them living in SoCal & across the US meeting them is that the majority I’ve met don’t think militantly.
If that’s what you choose to assume, that’s your problem.
I’m talking from my personal experience.

Badger40 on August 16, 2012 at 9:58 AM

So it isn’t the rhetoric, which will always be there, it’s the failure to accept its role in the act that is worthy of condemnation.

Deanna on August 16, 2012 at 9:25 AM

The media in trying to defend those “rhetoric generators” that match its preference cascade of causes are emboldening further and further pushes against the “designated villains” that are the opponents of those effectively “licensed” actors.

Fox News was buying into the narrative fig leaf of “gay rights” versus “hate” in the CFA story than to Shempf Smiff and Megyn Kelly.

The best the right can ever hope for is that an idiot who uses a weapon to do harm is not in a use of blood libel tied directly to our political class let alone our activist groups.

I am not a racist for believing “equal” means “equal” not “equal plus”.

Yet the media implies that any white supremacist is a straight ticket Republican which is a lie. It is a demonstrable lie, Zombie shows the alliance between skinheads and OWS constantly. The KKK was a democrat organization.

Yet *somehow* when the Media shows OWS on the march they leave out the Swastikas shown not to say YOU GOPers are the Nazis but proudly saying Death to Israel.

Coincidence?

Yeah and I am pretty sure I won the powerball last night.

The NEA has turned out a lot of people who are not sophisticated enough to analyze politics and are programmed to hate traditional American values with rage in the 25 and under category.

The anti-CFA crowd are the preschool Fascist Marching brigades.

Thank God the pushback was so hard against their attempted use of the mechanisms of government to violate CFA’s right to do business, and attempted denial of Cathy with his freedom of speech.

I support civil unions, I want all adult relationships cast as civil unions in the legal sense and marriage to be a religious ceremony to protect the Churches from predation by these fascists.

The gay marriage thing is a distraction, they want the power to control the minds and words of their fellow man, and I refuse to give fascists or lunatics a “psycho veto”.

harlekwin15 on August 16, 2012 at 9:59 AM

CW on August 16, 2012 at 9:47 AM

And dude, comments on lefty sites are hardly indicative of an entire group of people.
Geebus.
Not all homosexuals comment on lefty sites.
Like not all conservatives do.
In fact, it takes a special group of people to comment on political blogs in of itself.
So when I read comments on blogs, I take them with a grain of salt.
I much prefer talking with the public I come in contact with in order to draw my conclusions, whenever possible.

Badger40 on August 16, 2012 at 10:01 AM

If that’s what you choose to assume, that’s your problem.
I’m talking from my personal experience.

Badger40 on August 16, 2012 at 9:58 AM

I found it interesting you posted your comments RIGHT after Hawkdriver made some excellent points. You acted as though he never wrote them.

I have found that almost every homosexual I’ve ever met was pretty passive & peaceful.

Badger40 on August 16, 2012 at 9:45 AM

So they’ve said about just about any crime of this nature. How many times do you see the neighbors and family interviewed and they tell the reporter about how nice and quiet the guy was. Naive.

CW on August 16, 2012 at 10:02 AM

I’m sure this guy got the idea to shoot up this place from leftist hate mongering; but I’m not sure why volunteering at the LGBT place is relevant.

lorien1973 on August 15, 2012 at 9:27 PM

Lor if the guy were a Church going opponent of the LGBT agenda and walked into GLAAD and opened fire there is no way that would be the narrative.

This is not even about the shooting, this is about the climate of creeping fascism these activists are testing the waters for.

They lobbied mayors to use the mechanism of state against an opponent openly and flagrantly.

These people are not American in the sense of wanting to win by argument and convincing a majority they are the “by any means necessary” mindset and this is heading to an unhappy place no decent American wants it to go.

That mindset will lead to a lot of unhappy families at some point.

harlekwin15 on August 16, 2012 at 10:02 AM

OH and Badger did you go read the posts at some of the lefty sites on this subject? Weirdly you IGNORED that part of Hawk’s post as well…I wonder why?????

CW on August 16, 2012 at 10:03 AM

There was a gun in his hand.

He used a finger to pull the trigger.

That finger is connected by nerves to his brain.

His brain had him pull the trigger.

His mental structure is in his brain, which is in his body and he is held to account for his actions.

As far as is known he is not: a contract killer, someone sent by a group to do its bidding, someone making war on his lonesome. His culpability will be found only if he can distinguish between right and wrong, sees his fellow citizens as humans, and recognizes that so long as they are not physically attacking him nor threatening him with violence, they deserve to be left to their beliefs and their speech.

There are hatfeful people who speak: there is no speech that happens on its own, thus no ‘hate speech’. As you are a moral actor in your own life, so is this man and he must be able to demonstrate that he knows the difference between right and wrong and can distinguish between such actions no matter what speech was used. For all the speeches of all the tyrants, it is the people who agree with it, go with it and carry out actions for it that are responsible for enacting it. That is why German citizens were put to work in the death camps to bury the dead that they had not spoken up about. They could see the insignia of the death camp guards hear their motto of ‘Long Live Death’ and yet did nothing against it because so many had turned to barbarism and coercion that society was no longer civilized.

The antidote for hateful speakers are other speakers who point out the error of the philosophy that leads to hate, that leads to coveting what is not yours and that leads to wanting to enforce your will on your fellow man. The results of encouraging such actions must be shown so that those espousing them can see the end results of their beliefs that they speak about.

That is the failure of the MFM: it is colluding in barbarism by inaction, by not reporting, by not showing society the ill of hatred when carried out for any subject save self-defense. Worse it derides the very need for self-defense, which invites barbarism through passivity and submission to it. We the people, with our liberty and rights to run a free press will replace this worn out old media as it no longer serves society large or small and seeks to espouse its destruction through non-reporting and encouraging people to be defenseless in face of man gone barbaric. Any organ of society that cannot condemn this type of activity is not serving the people nor society.

To the wounded I send my sympathy, my love of my fellow countrymen, and my fondest hopes for a swift and complete recovery.

To those standing quiet in the face of evil: I condemn you no end.

ajacksonian on August 16, 2012 at 10:03 AM

The gay marriage thing is a distraction, they want the power to control the minds and words of their fellow man, and I refuse to give fascists or lunatics a “psycho veto”.

harlekwin15 on August 16, 2012 at 9:59 AM

And IMO I believe it is likely liberals have hijacked some of the homosexuals into thinking we want to destroy them bcs we’re against gay marriage.
When you get down to it, homosexuals aren’t really being denied the ‘right’ to get with their partners. or leave them their stuff, etc.
It is a smokescreen for power usurpation.

Badger40 on August 16, 2012 at 10:04 AM

I have found that almost every homosexual I’ve ever met was pretty passive & peaceful.

Badger40 on August 16, 2012 at 9:45 AM

Yeah? I agree in person they may well be. The problem is not the individual fella the problem is that the CFA rage machine mass engaged in Fascist use of attempted terror to try to use government resources as an agent for their agenda. This is ahuge problem because whatever force is guiding these demonstrations has bought into William Ayers’ style 1960s BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY! thinking.

Baracks’ buddy Bill has some interesting “rhetorical florishes” concerning political opponents.

No media personality would ever dream of calling Barack on that realtionship in a way that had say Bush the elder been openly David Duke’s pal they would never have quit.

Why?

The preference cascade granting license.

It’s okay Obama’s political mentor called for the murder of 25 million because hey that is just Bill being Bill…..

that cover and gap gives them the room to go further and further.

harlekwin15 on August 16, 2012 at 10:06 AM

OH and Badger did you go read the posts at some of the lefty sites on this subject? Weirdly you IGNORED that part of Hawk’s post as well…I wonder why?????

CW on August 16, 2012 at 10:03 AM

You know, I really try & give you the benefit of the doubt.
But you make it hard when you act like such a raving d!ck to everybody who doesn’t tow your line.
I’m not ignoring his post, & I don’t find it necessary to read hateful comments from lefties regarding this bcs I’ve read them before in other instances.
And I’m not assuming all lefties and homosexuals feel like that.
In fact, most liberals I know are just ignorant, well meaning people.
They’re not evil.
So stop stalking me for my opinion on this matter bcs I’ve weighed the evidence over the years & on this matter & I’m not ignoring anything.
It’s my f%^&ing opinion & if you don’t like it, FO, as you often tell so many around here on a regular basis who don’t want to lick your a$$.

Badger40 on August 16, 2012 at 10:08 AM

OH and Badger did you go read the posts at some of the lefty sites on this subject? Weirdly you IGNORED that part of Hawk’s post as well…I wonder why?????

CW on August 16, 2012 at 10:03 AM

CW, we’re all friends here. There isn’t a more solid Conservative than you or Badger40. I’m sure he knows what they’re commenting.

hawkdriver on August 16, 2012 at 10:08 AM

And IMO I believe it is likely liberals have hijacked some of the homosexuals into thinking we want to destroy them bcs we’re against gay marriage.
When you get down to it, homosexuals aren’t really being denied the ‘right’ to get with their partners. or leave them their stuff, etc.
It is a smokescreen for power usurpation.

Badger40 on August 16, 2012 at 10:04 AM

I have fought my entire political life as a Republican to try to reach a consensus that would protect Churches and acknowledge gays right to have lawful recognition of their partner and it is “not enough”.

That mob that was heckling that street preacher for adhering to his beliefs would walk right over me despite the fact I worked with Log Cabins from my first days as a young Republican in high school to find a way to fix this to everyone’s satisfaction.

BECAUSE IT IS NOT ABOUT GAY MARRIAGE ANYMORE it is about forcing acceptance and celebration.

and I draw the line there.

not yelling at you BTW nice points….

this whole thing was a test to see how far they can go and the ONLY reason Rahm and friends backed down was it is an election year.

harlekwin15 on August 16, 2012 at 10:10 AM

I’m not being naive.
I am the last person to agree that homosexuality is an acceptable behavior.
But my personal experience with them living in SoCal & across the US meeting them is that the majority I’ve met don’t think militantly.
If that’s what you choose to assume, that’s your problem.
I’m talking from my personal experience.

Badger40 on August 16, 2012 at 9:58 AM

Until the Gay community is willing to push back against their own hateful rhetoric they will continue to lose what aceptance they feel they have received. And I don’t mean after the fact either. They seem to be afraid of the more violent rhetoric speakers and more in-your-face activists. They need to realize that thie hurts their cause more than anything anyone else says or does.

Deanna on August 16, 2012 at 10:11 AM

I agree in person they may well be. The problem is not the individual fella the problem is that the CFA rage machine mass engaged in Fascist use of attempted terror to try to use government resources as an agent for their agenda. This is ahuge problem because whatever force is guiding these demonstrations has bought into William Ayers’ style 1960s BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY! thinking.

harlekwin15 on August 16, 2012 at 10:06 AM

I agree with the groups being problems.
But friend, the homosexuals I know & have dealt with don’t belong to these groups or espouse or live their values.
Just my opinion & if you don’t agree, well whatever.
It’s like I said above. I also don’t think most liberals in general are raving evil ba$tards.
It’s the few rotten apples making the stink in public.
I find most people are reasonable when presented with evidence.
But the ones that aren’t are very vocal & they make themselves seem more numerous just bcs their antics are covered in the media.
Again MY OPINION.

Badger40 on August 16, 2012 at 10:11 AM

CW, we’re all friends here. There isn’t a more solid Conservative than you or Badger40. I’m sure he knows what they’re commenting.

hawkdriver on August 16, 2012 at 10:08 AM

Correct. Look we are not saying to get sidetracked into only focusing on this matter or whining all the time. It is just important not to lose sight of what is going on or what the stakes are.

The media is helping very bad people see how far they can go.

The bad people are not “all gays”, it is not even a good portion of the crowds of idiots who are acting as the junior fascist league, it is the mayors and the lever pullers behind the scenes that a 120 years ago a press would have tried to prove are in collusion but nowadays even “arch conservative” Foxnews takes at face value.

There is an open conspiracy hatching.

harlekwin15 on August 16, 2012 at 10:13 AM

So when I read comments on blogs, I take them with a grain of salt.

Badger40 on August 16, 2012 at 10:01 AM

Glad you feel that way.

Read the lefty comments. See how many of them are condemning their fellow leftists for making such comments. Then wake up. These people are shooting now, and as long as the media continues to excuse them, it will only get worse. Do you think there could possibly be a different outcome?

runawayyyy on August 16, 2012 at 10:14 AM

Until the Gay community is willing to push back against their own hateful rhetoric they will continue to lose what aceptance they feel they have received. And I don’t mean after the fact either. They seem to be afraid of the more violent rhetoric speakers and more in-your-face activists. They need to realize that thie hurts their cause more than anything anyone else says or does.

Deanna on August 16, 2012 at 10:11 AM

Considering how many true homosexuals exist in most natural human populations-what like 5-10%?- I’m thinking they are like most of America.
They just want to be left the eff alone.
How many conservatives do you know who rise up & call out their RINOs?
Not as many as there are conservatives.

Yeah in general ALL people ought to call out & denounce bad stuff.
But they don’t.
I have found most people are damned cowards & when the tough times roll around, they’re strangely absent.

Badger40 on August 16, 2012 at 10:14 AM

Badger -just a couple of nuggets from twitchy…..

*Please* stop shooting up Family Research Council. No need to turn these horrible, bigoted people into victims. Thanks!
15 Aug 12

f+ck The Family Research Council, and it’s hatred and intolerance toward the LGBT community. Maybe they just needed some more Chic-Fil-A..

CW on August 16, 2012 at 10:14 AM

But the ones that aren’t are very vocal & they make themselves seem more numerous just bcs their antics are covered in the media.
Again MY OPINION.

Badger40 on August 16, 2012 at 10:11 AM

They ARE evil.

We ALL have a duty as good citizens of this mexican standoff we call democracy to make sure our ALLIES are respectful of the system and the rights of people we do not agree with.

The average liberal is far more tolerant of the idiots who ape their values holding real power in their caucus than we are.

I gave an example.

Ask a democrat if they have a problem with a person who said “we have to kill probably 25 million American union members to get the point across that collectivism is wrong.” being George W. Bush’s friend and advisor.

Then pull the Folgers’ switcheroo and SHOW them where Barack Obama’s friend said exactly the inverse at Prairie Fire and watch the fun begin…..

the cognitive dissonance is horrifying and real.

harlekwin15 on August 16, 2012 at 10:17 AM

Listen folks, I’ve got religious ‘friends’ who mock the LDS church right in my face & I mostly just state the facts & let them go.
I’ve got ‘conservative friends’ who rage against big gov & then take govt assistance when it’s offered & available to them.
I’ve got ‘liberal friends’ who go nutbag on me about politics & I just calmly state the facts & walk away.

I’m all for debate.
But don’t ever f%^&ing tell me I’m mistaken for refusing to paint all homosexuals & all liberals & all RINOs into the evil corner.
Bcs I’m not.
I am more Libertarian than anything else with conservative leanings.
I will only paint a group in general like some of you are when the whole overwhelming number of the group is evil.
I can even be friendly with muslims, but I abhor their ‘religion’.
But I’m not going to paint them all as evil.
Ignorance is the problem.
And I’d like to get on the path of being positive towards most of humanity & try & be uplifting to help draw more people into action.
So bite my f%^&ing a$$ if you don’t agree with my stance.
Bcs this is what it is.

Badger40 on August 16, 2012 at 10:20 AM

Considering how many true homosexuals exist in most natural human populations-what like 5-10%?- I’m thinking they are like most of America.
They just want to be left the eff alone.
How many conservatives do you know who rise up & call out their RINOs?
Not as many as there are conservatives.

Yeah in general ALL people ought to call out & denounce bad stuff.
But they don’t.
I have found most people are damned cowards & when the tough times roll around, they’re strangely absent.

Badger40 on August 16, 2012 at 10:14 AM

True, but it is much more important the smaller the group. My Gay friends all complain privately about Gay Pride parades, other over the top demonstrations. NAMBLA. etc. They have no problem complaining loudly and publically about what they perceive as discrimination against them though. When I point this out to them they become silent and afraid.
Silence is acceptance…whether we like it or not. And it doesn’t matter that others do it, only when we do it. No matter who we are.

Deanna on August 16, 2012 at 10:23 AM

I know and converse with many people who are leftist and/or LGBT and every single one of them thinks the FRC is a hate group. I know this, because they were all very vocal about it right up until the moment when the news of this incident broke. Then? Crickets.

Why? Because every one of them knew they had no choice but to own this nut or be called the hypocrites they were. So they chose to own him. And they agree with both his sentiments and his tactics.

Stick your head in the sand (again) all you like. They won’t stop with shooting one security guard. They never do. They never have. Denying reality won’t stop it from happening.

runawayyyy on August 16, 2012 at 10:23 AM

So bite my f%^&ing a$$ if you don’t agree with my stance.
Bcs this is what it is.

Badger40 on August 16, 2012 at 10:20 AM

so your stance is that because those on the right or allied with the right are not perfect actors we should just shrug at the open licensing of liberal rage?

A person not in the “equal plus” demographic is taught their entire life that they are not supposed to misuse imaginary “extra power” they have beginning in grade school, they are warned repeatedly by media condemnation that they have to suppress “violent tendency in their point of view”.

This is not about “there are good gays” badger AT ALL.

This is about one side being allowed to portray itself at all times as being justified in whatever they do in rhetoric and the other being watched like a drunk watches the last bottle of hooch for any deviation towards violent imagery at all.

So you are kind and magnanimous enough to “see the good in humanity”…..

and I am free to cast a wary eye at a media, politicians, and activists who told some borderline crazy anyway dork that hangs around their cause celebre “those h8ers want to put gays in camps that is the chicken of hate and it is those stupid God people who are the agents of hate and I cannot believ the h8ers are allowed to do business” as well.

One of us is liable to be caught flat footed and it ain’t me.

harlekwin15 on August 16, 2012 at 10:28 AM

Stick your head in the sand (again) all you like. They won’t stop with shooting one security guard. They never do. They never have. Denying reality won’t stop it from happening.

runawayyyy on August 16, 2012 at 10:23 AM

Correct the President of the United States is a political ally with a man who called for 25,000,000 American capitalists to be put in death camps to get the point across,” and has not been called on it once with that rhetoric brought up to his face as part of a question.

Yet I am held by the same “good liberals” you speak of to be responsible for a racist loser who walks into a Sikh house of worship and murders innocent people because:

1) I am also a white male

2) I am not a liberal of course we don’t know that he was indeed NOT allied with the worst aspects of the very good liberal who hates me’s caucus.

I am tired of the rigged game.

harlekwin15 on August 16, 2012 at 10:31 AM

Silence is acceptance…whether we like it or not. And it doesn’t matter that others do it, only when we do it. No matter who we are.

Deanna on August 16, 2012 at 10:23 AM

The difference boils down to this.

Ed Morrisey is a decent enough citizen with enough conscience to ban at once any dork who says he is a conservative who would have had the temerity to say “well the Sikhs sorta had it coming I mean after all they sorta look like Arabs and they wear Turbans this is America” and would have heard from the majority of our side “Thank God Ed that guy is a thorn in the side of our movement and should not be tolerated” vocally.

From the licensed to rage side?

Exactly.

Nobody is saying their willful silence in the face of their worst actors should be copied, we are saying their silence should be noted.

harlekwin15 on August 16, 2012 at 10:35 AM

And I’d like to get on the path of being positive towards most of humanity & try & be uplifting to help draw more people into action.
So bite my f%^&ing a$$ if you don’t agree with my stance.
Bcs this is what it is.

Badger40 on August 16, 2012 at 10:20 AM

This is funny.

cptacek on August 16, 2012 at 10:43 AM

This is funny.

cptacek on August 16, 2012 at 10:43 AM

Ironic, at a minimum.

Haters of haters are allowed to hate because they are good haters or YOU are a hater.

harlekwin15 on August 16, 2012 at 10:45 AM

The issue here is holding the left and LGBT activist groups to the same standards of culpability they hold the right to.

The left and LGBT activist groups have been for weeks pointing their fingers at and screeching “hate group” at organizations like FRC. In the midst of this a guy walks into and opens fire in an FRC office. He states frankly he is doing it because of their political positions and their hatred.

Brain Ross blatantly, but unsuccessfully, tried to connect the Colorado shooter to the Tea Party within hours after the incident on the flimsiest of evidence. That flimsy charge was broadcast on national TV hours after the shooting.

Now change some of the words in my second paragraph to flip it around to an attack on a liberal organization by a shooter claiming it is because of their political positions. And imagine the shooting took place after weeks of conservatives verbally attacking such organizations as hateful. What would Brian Ross do? What would the MSM do? And what would liberals be doing? Without hesitation they would be blaming the shooting on the hate rhetoric spouted by conservatives.

What aren’t they now blaming this shooting on the hate rhetoric spouted by liberals and LGBT activists? We all know the answer to that question. And that is the point and the issue.

farsighted on August 16, 2012 at 11:15 AM

I’m not being naive.
I am the last person to agree that homosexuality is an acceptable behavior.
But my personal experience with them living in SoCal & across the US meeting them is that the majority I’ve met don’t think militantly.
If that’s what you choose to assume, that’s your problem.
I’m talking from my personal experience.

Badger40 on August 16, 2012 at 9:58 AM

Actually, you bring up a good point. I’ve thought on this topic for a while now, and I think I have an explanation…

Liberals hate conservatives. But the reason for it runs deep. Most conservatives are Christians who believe that we owe our existence to God, and that we need to follow His Word. Liberals want independence from God, and that brings out the anger against those who follow Him. Much of that stems from an inferiority complex that assumes we think we are better than them (when in reality, true Christians realize we are just as bad, but that we have repented and now trust in Him).

The Bible condemns homosexuality in both the Old and New Testaments. God’s people are called to respect and follow His Word in hating the sin, but loving the sinner. To liberals, this is salt in a wound.

The real issue in the culture war is that liberals are using homosexuality to attack Christian conservatives for their belief in God. Liberals are using homosexuals. Because homosexuals seek acceptance, they are fine with liberals using them.

Since the basis of liberal thought is anger against God, it is not a surprise that real violence springs from a group built on hate. Liberals also have a strong elitism streak, which manifests itself not only an “I know best” attitude, but also a guilt reaction to their violent thoughts. This guilt reaction results in manufacturing charges of similar thought by accusing their “enemies” of the same hate that they feel. They mentally justify their actions as merely reacting to the (imaginary) hatred from the other side.

It is no surprise that a mentality based on anger toward God and his followers would result in violent action against his followers.

I’m sure I’ll get blasted for these statements. [flame shield up!]

dominigan on August 16, 2012 at 11:19 AM

I wouldn’t doubt it if this terrorist was pushed over the edge by Dan Savage’s “anti-bullying” rhetoric.

OxyCon on August 16, 2012 at 12:14 PM

” You people are going to accept our strange way of life or we will kill you”
Sound familiar Radical Islam, Black Panthers, Communists, Marxists

Hang on people we are in for a very bumpy ride, one I never expected to see in my lifetime, this is what lack of oversight breeds.

We took our eye off the ball and trusted our politicians, bad move.

concernedsenior on August 16, 2012 at 1:02 PM

So bite my f%^&ing a$$ if you don’t agree with my stance.
Bcs this is what it is.

Badger40 on August 16, 2012 at 10:20 AM

Unhinged….You sound like the pro SSM side. Poor boy.

CW on August 16, 2012 at 1:10 PM

Considering how many true homosexuals exist in most natural human populations-what like 5-10%?….
Badger40 on August 16, 2012 at 10:14 AM

Try 2-3%

CW on August 16, 2012 at 1:16 PM

Honestly, unless they were accomplices I don’t care where he volunteered at. I don’t care if he was a Vet. I don’t care if he shopped at WalMart. I don’t care what books he read, what newspapers he bought, what kind of candy he was eating while he was shooting or what music he liked. They do this with all of these murdering idiots. Hey what kind of jeans did he wear? Why leave that out?

JellyToast on August 16, 2012 at 4:09 PM

…I get nervous when anyone starts saying political speech is responsible for any subsequent physical violence.

Don’t let the Left plays the naivety of the Right Alinsky-style:

A Literal War On Religion?

It’s easy to brush aside this incident as one act of a crazy man until you consider the past two weeks. The Family Research Council is affiliated with Chick-Fil-A. Chick-Fil-A came under fire due to the free speech of CEO Dan Cathy by militant anti-Christian and anti-free speech activists. They further attacked Chick-Fil-A, accusing them of supporting Ugandan gay-killing via a resolution they claimed the FRC had lobbied to kill….

As a result we saw the vandalism of various Chick-Fil-A restaurants, city governments promising to ban the business from their areas, bomb threats, and abuse of the company’s employees. Vicious anti-religion bloggers perpetuated the falsehood regarding FRC and the Uganda resolution in an effort to incite further anger towards Chick-Fil-A. It’s a culture of hate, not disagreement, for people who are already ruled by emotion over logic.

Corkins alone pulled the trigger, but for two weeks many people did rotten things out of bigotry towards the faith of FRC and Cathy.

INC on August 16, 2012 at 8:27 PM

Media decide no ‘national dialogue’ on civility needed after FRC shooting; WaPo calls it a ‘scuffle,’ ideology ignored; Update: Media embargoes shooting

Today during his press conference on the FRC shooting yesterday, Tony Perkins said that the shooter was responsible, but that rhetoric used by outlets like Southern Poverty Law Center gave him license. He said he offered to debate the use of labels like “hate group” with SPLC, and they declined. Why won’t they discuss it?

INC on August 16, 2012 at 8:28 PM

Hypocrisy is Not the Word

How do you think the media would react if someone walked into the most prominent gay rights political organization with a Ben and Jerry’s bag (to make a statement) and said “Don’t shoot me, it was not about you, it was what this place stands for?” It would be headline news for a week and there would be calls to tamp down conservative political speech and activities. Yet, in this case, there is barely any reporting on the incident outside of Fox News and conservative media outlets.

Unlike in previous shootings, this one was clearly motivated, in part, by political convictions. Will anyone blame the Democrat politicians and media for stirring up hatred towards Chick-Fil-A and clearly inspiring this shooter to some extent? Will anyone blame the extremist defamatory Southern Poverty Law[less] Center for recently labeling FRC as a hate group? Just today, a gay rights website (I won’t link to it) posted the names of those who signed the Maryland marriage referendum petition along with their addresses. In light of the vitriolic behavior of the homosexual mafia, should we have reason for concern?

And if anyone in Maryland has their home or business vandalized or is shot, will we then be able to recognize that vitriolic political speech bears a responsibility for vitriolic behavior?

INC on August 16, 2012 at 8:32 PM

I’m sure this guy got the idea to shoot up this place from leftist hate mongering; but I’m not sure why volunteering at the LGBT place is relevant. lorien1973 on August 15, 2012 at 9:27 PM

I think it speaks to his level of commitment to the cause.

Akzed on August 17, 2012 at 11:58 AM

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