Breaking: Guard shot at Family Research Council headquarters Update: Report shooter said ‘It was about what this place stands for.’ Update: Romney ‘appalled…There is no place for such violence.’ Update: Suspect ID’d as Floyd Corkins of Virginia Update: Found with Chick-fil-A materials? Update: Obama responds

posted at 12:15 pm on August 15, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

Simply horrible:

A security guard was shot in in the arm late Wednesday morning inside an office building near the heart of Chinatown in Northwest Washington, police say.

The shooting took place either near or at the offices of the Family Research Council, which is located at 801 G Street, about a block west of the Verizon Center. Police have a suspect in custody. ….

The guard is conscious and breathing.

LifeNews reports that another person was also shot:

Two people, including a security guard, were reportedly shot this morning at the headquarters of the pro-life group Family Research Council.

According to information provided to LifeNews from a Washington pro-life source, a man posing as an intern shot the guard at the FRC office located at 801 G Street, NW.

Family Research Council President Tony Perkins confirmed the security officer was shot and said in a statement, “The police are investigating this incident. Our first concern is with our colleague who was shot today. Our concern is for him and his family.”

No word yet on motive, but obviously we’ll be closely following this story.  Stay tuned for updates — and be careful about making assumptions.  We’ve seen the media do that too often in other cases only to have it turn out that the perpetrator is a random lunatic.

Update: From the same LifeNews link:

According to a Fox News report: “A suspect walked in and started yelling about things they (FRC) supported & opened fire.”

Just bear in mind that the first hour or so after an incident provides more confusion than clarity to everyone outside of the investigation.

Update II: From Politico, the police are not making any statements on motive, other than to say that they haven’t yet ascertained it:

Metropolitan Police Department spokesperson Officer Araz Alali confirmed to POLITICO that one security guard, an adult male, was shot in the arm at approximately 10:50 a.m. and was conscious and breathing after the shooting. He was transported to a local hospital.

Alali said one suspect is in custody in connection with the shooting and the investigation is ongoing. There is no motive in the case yet, Alali said.

The FBI is also investigation the shooting and an evidence response team is on the scene now, FBI public affairs specialist Rebecca Callahan told POLITICO. A suspect is in custody, she said, but while the investigation continues it is too early to determine the person’s connection with the FRC.

Update III: Fox News has that earlier report on line now.

Update (MKH): From the Washington Post, it looks like the security guard and several civilians worked together to subdue the shooter, thank God. The guard reportedly was shot in the arm, and is in stable condition.

A security guard at the Family Research Council was shot and wounded Wednesday morning after a scuffle in the lobby of the group’s headquarters in downtown Washington, authorities said.

D.C. Police Chief Cathy Lanier said the shooter walked into the lobby of the building at about 10:45 and was confronted by the security guard as if the guard was asking him where he was going.

The man then took out a gun and opened fire on the guard, Lanier said. The guard and others wrestled the man to the ground, disarmed him and waited for police, she said. The guard was then taken to the hospital and is in stable condition, the chief said.

The shooter is in FBI custody and has not yet been charged, authorities said.

“The security guard here is a hero, as far as I’m concerned,” Lanier said. ”He did his job. The person never made it past the front.”

James McJunkin, with the FBI, says they have little on the shooter:

“We don’t know enough about him or his circumstances to determine what his connection is to this group [the research council] or his mental state, or what he was doing or thinking of doing,” McJunkin said. “So we’re going to try to sort this all out, pull the evidence together, do all the interviews we can.”

Update (MKH): Todd Starnes of Fox News Radio tweets, “Just talked to FRC staffer inside building – says everyone is in state of shock — says they’ve had many threats over the years.”

Christianity Today reminds us a gunman took several hostage at FRC’s former parent group Focus on the Family in Colorado Springs in 1994.

Update (MKH): There is no mention of the shooting on either CNN’s Twitter feed or its website as of 1:52 p.m. EST. The bullpen at Townhall.com has been watching CNN coverage since the time of the shooting and has seen no mention of it. The shooting news is on MSNBC’s website.

Update (MKH): Fox News reports:

The suspect “made statements regarding their policies, and then opened fire with a gun striking a security guard,” a source told Fox News. WJLA-TV7 reported the suspect was also shot. Sources also said the gunman may have been carrying a bag from Chick-fil-A, the embattled fast-food restaurant whose president came under fire from gay activists after he said he did not agree with same-sex marriage.

Sources told Fox New that after guard took away his gun, the suspect said, “Don’t shoot me, it was not about you, it was what this place stands for.”

Update (MKH): Romney statement:

“I am appalled by the shooting today at the offices of the Family Research Council in our nation’s capital. There is no place for such violence in our society. My prayers go out to the wounded security guard and his family, as well as all the people at the Family Research Council whose sense of security has been shattered by today’s horrific events.”

Update (MKH): CNN “broke” the news of the shooting on its Twitter feed more than two hours after the shooting.

Update (MKH): WTOP reports police are searching a car in East Falls Church Metro station’s parking lot, where the suspect may have parked. That would mean he rode the Metro 10 stops before getting off near FRC’s office, at Gallery Place/Chinatown, if he parked there and came in via subway.

The man was taken into custody by the FBI and was being interviewed. Authorities haven’t released his name. WTOP confirmed the suspect may have parked at the East Falls Church Metro station.

FBI agents and Metro Police officers have blocked off part of the parking lot at East Falls Church with crime tape. Investigators are in the process of obtaining a warrant to search a car in the parking lot that they believe belongs to the shooting suspect, according to FBI Washington Field Office spokeswoman Rebecca Callahan.

Update (MKH): We have a name and age on the shooter. Brian Ross should stay far away from Google:

The suspect, a 28-year-old male from Virginia named Floyd Corkins, “made statements regarding their policies, and then opened fire with a gun striking a security guard,” a source told Fox News.

Update (MKH): The suspect “disagreed with Family Research Council.” Let the media criticism begin. The double standard is astounding.

Update (MKH): I had seen this rumor, but the NBC affiliate in Washington seems to have nailed it down:

Authorities found two loaded magazines with 15 rounds each in the suspect’s backpack, as well as Chik-Fil-A promotional materials, NBC4′s Jackie Bensen reported. The gun was purchased legally in Virginia five days ago, NBC News’s Pete Williams reported.

Also, this security guard is sounding even more badass as the day progresses. My prayers are with him:

The shooter entered the building at 801 G Street NW at around 10:45 a.m. Wednesday. He approached the front desk and said he was an intern. The guard questioned him, including asking what was in his backpack, which is when the shooter pulled a Sig Sauer 9 mm handgun from the backpack and fired at least one round, striking the guard in the arm.

Despite his injury, the guard gained control of the weapon and held it on the suspect. The security guard and others wrestled the shooter to the ground.

Update (MKH): This is the photo being cited by several blogs as a photo of Corkins, but I can’t find the original source, so a slight note of caution.

Update (MKH): Jake Tapper of ABC reports on Twitter, “i’m told the WH will have a statement on the FRC shooting, in the @PressSec gaggle.”

Update (MKH): Obama responds to FRC shooting. Press Secretary Jay Carney said he was notified of the event at 1:18 p.m.:

Obama expressed concern for a security guard that suffered a gunshot wound to the arm, professing his belief that “this type of violence has no place in our society,” per a pool report.

Which was the subject line of Mitt Romney’s 2:14 p.m. statement on this incident. Um, what he said?

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Republican Convention Releases Session Times

Tampa, Fla. – The Committee on Arrangements for the 2012 Republican National Convention has announced the official session times for the convention, to be held August 27-30 at the Tampa Bay Times Forum.

The official session times are:

Monday, August 27: 2:00 pm to 11:00 pm
Tuesday, August 28: 7:30 pm to 11:00 pm
Wednesday, August 29: 7:30 pm to 11:00 pm
Thursday, August 30: 7:30 pm to 11:00 pm

http://mentionedoncspan.tumblr.com/post/29477476272/republican-convention-releases-session-times

canopfor on August 15, 2012 at 7:14 PM

but I refuse to stoop down to the level of the people who take advantages of tragedies like this to condemn the people and organizations whom they dislike.

theoddmanout on August 15, 2012 at 7:10 PM

So you refuse to call yourself a Democrat now ?
Gooooody ;-)

burrata on August 15, 2012 at 7:16 PM

Once you declare a religious organization a ‘hate group’, you have already de-humanized them. The only thing left is murder.

1930s redux.

faraway on August 15, 2012 at 7:17 PM

Resist We Much on August 15, 2012 at 7:07 PM

The trolls where will surely say the overbearing pressure from the vast right-wing conspiracy drove those otherwise nice people to murder. I mean, as libfree postulated earlier, he/she (and by extension his/her kind) aren’t responsible for the killings by leftists, while Conservatives always are.

Liam on August 15, 2012 at 7:17 PM

If this guy was mainly motivated by the hatred of Chick-Fil-A, why did he not just go and shoot up a Chick-Fil-A?

theoddmanout on August 15, 2012 at 7:10 PM

Maybe because the odds were greater that several people there in line were armed?

Liam on August 15, 2012 at 7:19 PM

Ask the shooter if he feels a sense of entitlement. If he answers honestly he will admit that he does.

All Liberals do. That’s what makes them so dangerous.

viking01 on August 15, 2012 at 7:19 PM

From a HRC blog post yesterday:

Paul Ryan Speaking at Hate Group’s Annual Conference

The FRC has been labeled a hate group by the Southern Poverty Law Center. It’s a group that has advocated for the criminalization of homosexuality, called for LGBT people to be exported from the U.S., and has pushed dangerous lies trying to link being gay to pedophilia.

And yet – despite this – the Values Voter Summit is a draw for conservatives, and it’s where the GOP’s Vice Presidential candidate will be speaking next month. No word yet on whether Mitt Romney – who spoke at the event last year – will return to speak again.

Flora Duh on August 15, 2012 at 7:20 PM

No pistol that I’m aware of has a “clip”. MAGAZINE
SirGawain on August 15, 2012 at 4:07 PM

Maybe he had a Mauser C96.

Nah.

LegendHasIt on August 15, 2012 at 7:20 PM

It is absurd to claim that any person or organization is responsible for the shooting other than the shooter himself.

theoddmanout on August 15, 2012 at 6:47 PM

The common element in almost all of these shootings is mental illness. People try to blame guns, video games, political rhetoric, and so forth, but while it is true that these things may play a role, they don’t cause a stable, normal person to take action in this manner. That is the issue we need to deal with if we want this to stop.

McDuck on August 15, 2012 at 7:21 PM

From a HRC blog post yesterday:

Paul Ryan Speaking at Hate Group’s Annual Conference

The FRC has been labeled a hate group by the Southern Poverty Law Center. It’s a group that has advocated for the criminalization of homosexuality, called for LGBT people to be exported from the U.S., and has pushed dangerous lies trying to link being gay to pedophilia.

And yet – despite this – the Values Voter Summit is a draw for conservatives, and it’s where the GOP’s Vice Presidential candidate will be speaking next month. No word yet on whether Mitt Romney – who spoke at the event last year – will return to speak again.

Flora Duh on August 15, 2012 at 7:20 PM

OUCH! Looks like HRC has blood on its’ hands.

oceansidecon on August 15, 2012 at 7:22 PM

heh, HomoSupremacists

faraway on August 15, 2012 at 7:23 PM

OUCH! Looks like HRC has blood on its’ hands.

oceansidecon on August 15, 2012 at 7:22 PM

Dog Whistle?

Flora Duh on August 15, 2012 at 7:24 PM

LegendHasIt on August 15, 2012 at 7:20 PM

According to NBC he had a Sig Sauer 9 mm handgun with two fifteen round clips.

Cindy Munford on August 15, 2012 at 7:26 PM

The common element in almost all of these shootings is mental illness. People try to blame guns, video games, political rhetoric, and so forth, but while it is true that these things may play a role, they don’t cause a stable, normal person to take action in this manner. That is the issue we need to deal with if we want this to stop.

McDuck on August 15, 2012 at 7:21 PM

I agree, but that won’t stop people from trying to use shootings like this one as evidence that the thing that they don’t like is evil and is to blame. Remember back when the media tried to blame Marylin Manson for the Columbine shooting? Or when they tried to blame violent video games for the Virginia Tech shooting? As clearly evidenced by many people on this very thread, some people have no problem using tragedies like this one to their political advantage.

theoddmanout on August 15, 2012 at 7:26 PM

Dog Whistle?

Flora Duh on August 15, 2012 at 7:24 PM

Isn’t everything a Dog Whistle these days?

oceansidecon on August 15, 2012 at 7:27 PM

If this guy was mainly motivated by the hatred of Chick-Fil-A, why did he not just go and shoot up a Chick-Fil-A?

theoddmanout on August 15, 2012 at 7:10 PM

Maybe because the odds were greater that several people there in line were armed?

Liam on August 15, 2012 at 7:19 PM

Maybe he went to one and found it full of black folks just doing their jobs or eating lunch and realized how stupid it would be to blame them.

PS: the ‘literature’ he had was probably the weekly coupons that come in the mail, maybe with location information.

slickwillie2001 on August 15, 2012 at 7:29 PM

According to NBC he had a Sig Sauer 9 mm handgun with two fifteen round clips.

Cindy Munford on August 15, 2012 at 7:26 PM

It was a snark.

Auto loading firearms have magazines.

Clips hold the ammunition in pouches and make it easier to load the magazine.

Stripper clip

cozmo on August 15, 2012 at 7:29 PM

Romney Statement: “I am appalled by the shooting today at the offices of the Family Research Council in our nation’s capital. There is no place for such violence in our society. My prayers go out to the wounded security guard and his family, as well as all the people at the Family Research Council whose sense of security has been shattered by today’s horrific events.”

Obama Statement: Obama expressed concern for a security guard that suffered a gunshot wound to the arm, professing his belief that “this type of violence has no place in our society,” per a pool report.

Per Obama, apparently the people at FRC deserved what they got because they are pro-hate chicken or something. Seriously, these are Obama supporters that are out there gunning down innocents for no other reason than an organization (practicing its First Amendment rights) does not embrace the idea of sodomite marriage. Pretty disgusting you Obama supporters and shame for you keeping your silence against this type of violence.

Happy Nomad on August 15, 2012 at 7:30 PM

As clearly evidenced by many people on this very thread, some people have no problem using tragedies like this one to their political advantage.

theoddmanout on August 15, 2012 at 7:26 PM

But the only ones who need to stop what you decry are the Conservatives, right?

Liam on August 15, 2012 at 7:31 PM

Obama expressed concern for a security guard that suffered a gunshot wound to the arm

Nice narrow focus to divert from the larger issue of left-wing hate.

/trying to think like a liberal

Paul-Cincy on August 15, 2012 at 7:33 PM

Oh Boy,OUT OF THE DARK…INTO THE LIGHT!!
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Fmr. Obama Campaign Co-Chair Slams

Biden For Implying Conservative Principles Bear ‘Racial Viciousness’
video
5:55 pm, August 15th, 2012
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Former Democratic Congressman Artur Davis — who seconded President Barack Obama‘s nomination in 2008 (when he served as campaign co-chair) — has since switched his allegiance to Mitt Romney. On Wednesday, he took to CNN to denounce the “divisive” nature of Obama’s campaign and, in particular, address Vice President Joe Biden‘s recent headline-making remarks.

Davis began the interview by giving his take on the Paul Ryan pick. “I feel very comfortable with him,” he said, adding that he was also comfortable with Ryan when he worked alongside him as a Democrat.

The topic then turned to the president’s re-election campaign, with Davis accusing Obama of “divisive” tactics (in line with the language Romney used in his speech yesterday). Citing Biden’s controversial remark that Republicans are “going to put y’all back in chains,” Davis said the vice president “reached from the bottom of the deck” when he characterized “ordinary conservative principles as being essentially racial viciousness.” You can’t say something to one group of people and assumed nobody else heard you, he said.

“I know what Joe Biden was doing yesterday,” Davis said. “And every black person in that room knew who the y’all was. They knew what the chains were about. They knew what the metaphor was.”

But you can hear boos from the audience, he added, which “says something positive” about those people. Davis further asserted that Biden’s comment was “insulting” to African-Americans, and to Americans as a whole — and that “the president ought to be embarrassed by it” and “say it was wrong.”

Remembering 2008 Barack Obama, Davis called Biden’s comment an “insult to the legacy that he used to build up as an order who knew how to inspire people instead of strike fear in people’s

Betting it won’t be long before Republicans start citing Davis’ interview.

Watch the interview below, via CNN:
(More…)
VIDEO:
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http://www.mediaite.com/tv/fmr-obama-campaign-co-chair-slams-biden-for-implying-conservative-principles-bear-racial-viciousness/

canopfor on August 15, 2012 at 7:34 PM

But the only ones who need to stop what you decry are the Conservatives, right?

Liam on August 15, 2012 at 7:31 PM

What??? Have you not seen the several posts I have made on this thread where I have condemned the liberals who have attacked Sarah Palin for the Arizona shooting, and the liberals who have tried to blame the Tea Party for the Arizona and Colorado shootings? Can you not be bothered to go back one page and read my comments before you start of accusing me of something that isn’t true?

theoddmanout on August 15, 2012 at 7:38 PM

As clearly evidenced by many people on this very thread, some people have no problem using tragedies like this one to their political advantage.

theoddmanout on August 15, 2012 at 7:26 PM

You might want to focus your attention to your very own Huffington Post, openly advocating and cheering murder.

HUFFPOST SUPER USER, IHateTheGOP
You preach hate, and guess what you get?

mikevalentine00
Mmm, liberal shooters don’t rank well enough to get “above the fold” coverage. :-(

ciscoguy
“I feel good now, I feel purposeful.”

bubba lew
the only problem i have is they shot the wrong person lol

From HuffBlow (and these are the moderated/accepted comments)

HUFFPOST SUPER USER, IHateTheGOP
You preach hate, and guess what you get?

mikevalentine00
Mmm, liberal shooters don’t rank well enough to get “above the fold” coverage. :-(

ciscoguy
“I feel good now, I feel purposeful.”

bubba lew
the only problem i have is they shot the wrong person lol

Abso Lutely
The Family Research Council is a repulsive, bigoted hate organization. The Bible says you reap what you sow. The FRC sows hate, intolerance, and damage to people’s lives, and now that’s whay they’re getting back.

HUFFPOST SUPER USER, madmatt
Finally somebody shooting at the right people.

HUFFPOST SUPER USER
cameron d
Hurray for guns.

HUFFPOST SUPER USER, Hardyman1966
2917 Fans
Not that I think it should be taken out on a $12/hr security guard, but, to use their own words against them, you reap what you sew.

Corkins has plenty of company. They have dehumanized their opponents. Guns and violence is next.

faraway on August 15, 2012 at 7:39 PM

[T]his is the HotAir management’s site, to do with as they please. 2,000 comments isn’t all that many in terms of making a case with advertisers for high ad rates and lots of promised traffic to their ads. This site is trying to compete with sites like HuffPo, which already has three times as many comments on its story on this shooting than this site does. They routinely have 10,000-15,000 comments per story. That’s a helluva lot more interesting to advertisers than 568 comments is. If FB comments bring HotAir more traffic, then good on them. They’re in the business of generating traffic to their site. That is WHAT THEY DO to earn money. And if they find that it has the opposite effect, and slows traffic down, then they’ll make adjustments to address that. That’s what people who OWN BUSINESSES do — the look for the profits. I see folks here complaining all the time about pop-up ads. How in the hell do they think this site is paid for? It’s called free-market capitalism, and the folks who take the financial risk are the ones who get to decide how it goes. We should be applauding that and wishing them SUCCESS, not whining like a bunch of welfare queens or “non-profit administrators.” This is a business, with a payroll, not a “free” playground. Sheesh. Intellectual honesty, folks. Intellectual honesty.

Rational Thought on August 15, 2012 at 4:40 PM

You are perfectly correct to note that the management of Hot Air has the right to make this choice. But what’s wrong with making an informed choice (i.e., thread, poll etc.)? Furthermore, I also have the right to make choices. Facebook is never going to have me as a member – and if HA makes FB membership a condition of commenting here, that will not change my choice. FB is a crappy idea in today’s world – in addition to the reasons that others have already cited for avoiding Facebook, let me add this – in the Age of Identity Theft, voluntarily posting your personal data online for the entire world to see is lunacy. As the Greeks once understood, hubris is predictably followed by nemesis.

RedPepper on August 15, 2012 at 7:40 PM

cozmo on August 15, 2012 at 7:29 PM

Oh, thanks, just goes to show I don’t listen to The Husband since he talks that stuff all the time.

Cindy Munford on August 15, 2012 at 7:40 PM

Happy Nomad on August 15, 2012 at 7:30 PM

surprise?

jersey taxpayer on August 15, 2012 at 7:42 PM

Looks like NYT are behind a tad!

Suspect in Family Research Council shooting volunteered at The DC Center for the LGBT Community – @nytimes

6 mins ago from http://www.nytimes.com by editor

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2012/08/15/us/politics/ap-us-security-guard-shooting.html?_r=1

canopfor on August 15, 2012 at 7:44 PM

Cindy Munford on August 15, 2012 at 7:40 PM

Sometimes the husband is worth listening to.

cozmo on August 15, 2012 at 7:46 PM

Can you not be bothered to go back one page and read my comments before you start of accusing me of something that isn’t true?

theoddmanout on August 15, 2012 at 7:38 PM

When you slam liberals directly and on the spot, by name, for their horrid posts instead of painting with a broad brush, I’ll modify my view. When a site is top-laden with conservatives, and someone comes along using the term ‘people’, I see only one thing within those moral lectures you feel so obligated to impose.

Liam on August 15, 2012 at 7:46 PM

cozmo on August 15, 2012 at 7:46 PM

LOL! He is but he doesn’t want to hear about paint colors either.

Cindy Munford on August 15, 2012 at 7:48 PM

Well,there ya go,so much(Civility) from the POTUSA!

President Obama:
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No Apologies, No Scolding for Joe Biden’s Remark
08/15/2012 at 07:00 PM EDT
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Vice President Joe Biden may have sparked the latest war of words in the presidential campaign, but he’ll get no talking-to from the boss on this one. Just a small sigh – and a vote of confidence.

PEOPLE sat down with President Obama one day after Biden’s remark to voters in Virginia on Tuesday – that GOP running mates Gov. Mitt Romney and Rep. Paul Ryan are “going to put y’all back in chains” – and asked the President if he’d spoken to Biden about the controversial comment.

“Joe Biden has been an outstanding vice president. He is passionate about what’s happening in middle-class families,” he said. “So I will be talking to him a whole lot about the campaign generally.”

Biden’s comment sparked Romney to call the Obama campaign one of “division and hate and anger.” But Obama, speaking to PEOPLE in Dubuque, Iowa, seemed unrattled by the controversy. He said Biden’s words needed to be considered in context; that he was only saying “you, consumers, the American people, will be a lot worse off if we repeal these [Wall Street reform] laws as the other side is suggesting.”

“In no sense was he trying to connote something other than that,” Obama added.
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Pressed to say whether Biden’s wording was unfortunate or something he’s okay with, the president sighed. “The truth is that during the course of these campaigns, folks like to get obsessed with how something was phrased even if everybody personally understands that’s not how it was meant,” Obama said. “That’s sort of the nature of modern campaigns and modern coverage of campaigns. But I tell you, when I’m traveling around Iowa, that’s not what’s on people’s minds.”

http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20621447,00.html

canopfor on August 15, 2012 at 7:49 PM

Sometimes the husband is worth listening to.

cozmo on August 15, 2012 at 7:46 PM

Ha–precisely why I answered Nomad as I did–jeez, sometimes, even husbands curtail all else–imagine if they did for the likes of Cutter, et al ;)

Have a GREAT evening all. I know I will : )

jersey taxpayer on August 15, 2012 at 7:52 PM

“But I tell you, when I’m traveling around Iowa, that’s not what’s on people’s minds.””

canopfor on August 15, 2012 at 7:49 PM

Obamacare is proof Caliph Hussein doesn’t listen to or care about what people think.

Liam on August 15, 2012 at 7:52 PM

When you slam liberals directly and on the spot, by name, for their horrid posts instead of painting with a broad brush, I’ll modify my view. When a site is top-laden with conservatives, and someone comes along using the term ‘people’, I see only one thing within those moral lectures you feel so obligated to impose.

Liam on August 15, 2012 at 7:46 PM

Wow, looks like someone is a bit paranoid. Did I say that every single person on this thread is guilty of trying to use this tragedy to their advantage? No. I only said that certain people are. And I only said certain people because I didn’t want to name specific users and start a flame-war. But I guess disagreeing with anyone here for any reason now automatically makes you a liberal.

theoddmanout on August 15, 2012 at 7:53 PM

canopfor on August 15, 2012 at 7:49 PM

What a cowardice piece of no good he is. We cannot be rid of him soon enough; he is a disgrace to our country.

And thanks, canopfor, for all of your updates. :)

MustLoveBlogs on August 15, 2012 at 7:54 PM

You are perfectly correct to note that the management of Hot Air has the right to make this choice. But what’s wrong with making an informed choice (i.e., thread, poll etc.)? Furthermore, I also have the right to make choices. Facebook is never going to have me as a member – and if HA makes FB membership a condition of commenting here, that will not change my choice. FB is a crappy idea in today’s world – in addition to the reasons that others have already cited for avoiding Facebook, let me add this – in the Age of Identity Theft, voluntarily posting your personal data online for the entire world to see is lunacy. As the Greeks once understood, hubris is predictably followed by nemesis.

RedPepper on August 15, 2012 at 7:40 PM

I use facebook but you are right to fear this company. I have more than one account to keep gaming separate. This anal company seems to think they can limit people to a single account. Talk about attempting to take peoples freedom of speech away. Facebook routinely abuses it’s users by posting them in ads. It constantly puts words in peoples mouth and monitors people like the book 1984. They are having a difficult time being a public company and are changing for the worse. I am seriously thinking of just abandoning facebook.

Steveangell on August 15, 2012 at 7:54 PM

oddman, do you consider FRC as a ‘hate group’?

faraway on August 15, 2012 at 7:55 PM

But I guess disagreeing with anyone here for any reason now automatically makes you a liberal.

theoddmanout on August 15, 2012 at 7:53 PM

Are you paranoid, do you feel threatened now?

Liam on August 15, 2012 at 7:56 PM

surprise?

jersey taxpayer on August 15, 2012 at 7:42 PM

Not really, nor am I surprised the whole anti-traditional values aspect of the shooter is being glossed over.

Matthew Shepherd dies in a drug deal gone wrong and the media treats it like a random hate crime because of his sexual orientation and he becomes a cause. The left will spare no amount of effort trying to curtail the rights of those who show up in peaceful protest at the killing factories of Planned Parenthood. The left blamed conservatives for the OKC bombing, the guy who flew his plane into an IRS building, and the Gabbie Giffords shooting.

This guy is going to be portrayed as nothing but a “troubled soul.”

Happy Nomad on August 15, 2012 at 7:56 PM

LOL! He is but he doesn’t want to hear about paint colors either.

Cindy Munford on August 15, 2012 at 7:48 PM

My wife figured out how to get around that. Pay attention or your baby* will end up this color.
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*-1974 Vette 454 4-speed

cozmo on August 15, 2012 at 7:58 PM

As clearly evidenced by many people on this very thread, some people have no problem using tragedies like this one to their political advantage.

theoddmanout on August 15, 2012 at 7:26 PM

You mean like gay people and their supporters use the mythical suicide epidemic of gay youths as a chance to villify people who support traditional marriage..? Yep I see your point..

melle1228 on August 15, 2012 at 8:00 PM

Are you paranoid, do you feel threatened now?

Liam on August 15, 2012 at 7:56 PM

I find that comment extremely ironic coming from you.

theoddmanout on August 15, 2012 at 8:01 PM

I find that comment extremely ironic coming from you.

theoddmanout on August 15, 2012 at 8:01 PM

Ah, projection on your part there. The next step among those with a persecution complex.

Liam on August 15, 2012 at 8:03 PM

The Leftist lapdog media are very careful to only mention Giffords in the Tucson incident and are very careful to never mention the hero Conservative Judge Roll who died that day shielding others from the killers bullets with his body.

viking01 on August 15, 2012 at 8:04 PM

To be honest, I think that groups like the American Family Association, Focus On The Family, Americans For Truth About Homosexuality, and other vehemently anti-gay political groups are so extreme and out of touch, that they are actually driving moderates away from the anti-gay marriage movement.

These groups don’t simply stop at being against gay marriage, and disagreeing with homosexuality on a religious level, they go to the very extreme. They claim that anti-gay bullying programs at public schools are a mastermind plan to turn children gay, they claim that homosexuality is a mental disease, they claim that most homosexuals are pedophiles, they claim that gays can be turned straight by Christian “therapy”, so on and so forth.

So even if there are people out there who simply disagree with gay marriage and don’t hate homosexuals, whenever they hear these organizations spouting all of this other nonsense besides being against gay marriage, they get turned off to the movement, and either reconsider their position on gay marriage, or don’t vote at all.
theoddmanout on April 26, 2012 at 9:59 PM

melle1228 on August 15, 2012 at 8:04 PM

Family Research Council Shooter Worked at D.C. LGBT Center

Corkins, 28, had been volunteering recently at a community center for lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender people.

The Family Research Council strongly opposes gay marriage and abortion and says it advocates “faith, family and freedom in public policy and public opinion.”

Corkins made a negative comment about the organization before the shooting, but the reference was not specific, one of the law enforcement officials said.

TigerPaw on August 15, 2012 at 8:05 PM

Not that anyone would miss me, especially the management, but using facebook for the comment interface would definitely cost them at least hundred (or more) hits a day from me.

I can’t even ‘see’ anything from facebook. Like I did with google’s intrusiveness, I rewrote my HOSTS file to re-direct attempts to contact any facebook, or facebook subsidiary website into ‘nowhere’.

LegendHasIt on August 15, 2012 at 8:06 PM

Timeline:

10:45 shooting
….. waiting
….. waiting
3:20 GLAAD issues notice
4:22 shooter’s name released to public

LGBT organizations release joint statement

regarding the shooting at Family Research Council (FRC)
Wednesday, August 15, 2012 – 3:30pm by GLAAD

I want to see the FBI emails.

faraway on August 15, 2012 at 8:07 PM

oops, 3:30

faraway on August 15, 2012 at 8:10 PM

To be honest, I think that groups like the American Family Association, Focus On The Family, Americans For Truth About Homosexuality, and other vehemently anti-gay political groups are so extreme and out of touch, that they are actually driving moderates away from the anti-gay marriage movement.

These groups don’t simply stop at being against gay marriage, and disagreeing with homosexuality on a religious level, they go to the very extreme. They claim that anti-gay bullying programs at public schools are a mastermind plan to turn children gay, they claim that homosexuality is a mental disease, they claim that most homosexuals are pedophiles, they claim that gays can be turned straight by Christian “therapy”, so on and so forth.

So even if there are people out there who simply disagree with gay marriage and don’t hate homosexuals, whenever they hear these organizations spouting all of this other nonsense besides being against gay marriage, they get turned off to the movement, and either reconsider their position on gay marriage, or don’t vote at all.
theoddmanout on April 26, 2012 at 9:59 PM

melle1228 on August 15, 2012 at 8:04 PM

Oh noes! You caught me! You dug up a comment that shows…I don’t care for the FRC! The horror!

I am flattered though that you spent time digging through my comment history. But unless you can find a comment I made where I call for violence against the FRC or any other political organization, then nothing I have said in this thread contradicts with my past comments.

theoddmanout on August 15, 2012 at 8:11 PM

Oh noes! You caught me! You dug up a comment that shows…I don’t care for the FRC! The horror!

I am flattered though that you spent time digging through my comment history. But unless you can find a comment I made where I call for violence against the FRC or any other political organization, then nothing I have said in this thread contradicts with my past comments.

theoddmanout on August 15, 2012 at 8:11 PM

Nope, I find you a self-righteous hypocrit. You are scolding people because they are linking people to organization to further their political agenda.. All the while you demonize and generalize individuals and organizations that doesn’t fit YOUR agenda..

Pot meet kettle!

melle1228 on August 15, 2012 at 8:14 PM

I want to see the FBI emails.

faraway on August 15, 2012 at 8:07 PM

Not going to happen. Like with Holmes and that Nazi in WI, there is going to be an information blackout. These three events are political hot potatoes the Left don’t want exposed, expecially in an election year. I mean, realistically–the MSM already has its hands full with Biden yesterday and him making two more idiot comments today in the same speech.

Liam on August 15, 2012 at 8:15 PM

oddman, is the FRC a ‘hate group’?

faraway on August 15, 2012 at 8:16 PM

theoddmanout on August 15, 2012 at 8:11 PM

The importance of that quote having been posted by a poster simply indicates an additional component to your approach and agenda when calling yet another poster here merely expressing his views opposite your own as “paranoid.”

viking01 on August 15, 2012 at 8:18 PM

less than a day ago the Human Rights Campaign issued a statement calling FRC a ‘hate group’

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/08/15/groups-condemn-violence-after-labeling-family-research-council-a-hate-group/

faraway on August 15, 2012 at 8:22 PM

Nope, I find you a self-righteous hypocrit. You are scolding people because they are linking people to organization to further their political agenda.. All the while you demonize and generalize individuals and organizations that doesn’t fit YOUR agenda..

Pot meet kettle!

melle1228 on August 15, 2012 at 8:14 PM

I am scolding people because they are saying that LGBT organizations are responsible for this shooting. I think that they are morons. I also think that people who tried to blame the Tea Party for the Arizona shooting are morons too.

The only way I would be a hypocrite is if I, in the past, blamed a political party or organization for a mass shooting. Which, I have not.

oddman, is the FRC a ‘hate group’?

faraway on August 15, 2012 at 8:16 PM

I think that they have beliefs that are not grounded whatsoever in reality, and that they spread blatant lies about homosexuality to further their own agenda. I do not think that they are a “hate” group.

The importance of that quote having been posted by a poster simply indicates an additional component to your approach and agenda when calling yet another poster here merely expressing his views opposite your own as “paranoid.”

viking01 on August 15, 2012 at 8:18 PM

I am calling him paranoid because he believes that I am secretly a liberal, even though I pointed out to him that I have condemned liberals on this very thread several times.

theoddmanout on August 15, 2012 at 8:22 PM

I am scolding people because they are saying that LGBT organizations are responsible for this shooting. I think that they are morons. I also think that people who tried to blame the Tea Party for the Arizona shooting are morons too.

The only way I would be a hypocrite is if I, in the past, blamed a political party or organization for a mass shooting. Which, I have not.

Are you okay with gay groups linking traditional marriage supporters as responsible for gay youth’s suicides?

Are you okay listing the FRC as a hate group who encourages bullying of gay youths?

melle1228 on August 15, 2012 at 8:26 PM

I am calling him paranoid because he believes that I am secretly a liberal, even though I pointed out to him that I have condemned liberals on this very thread several times.

theoddmanout on August 15, 2012 at 8:22 PM

Then “paranoid” is an inappropriate word to express what you are claiming.

viking01 on August 15, 2012 at 8:26 PM

Obama expressed concern for a security guard that suffered a gunshot wound to the arm, professing his belief that “this type of violence has no place in our society,” per a pool report.

“As per pool report.”

In other words, he couldn’t be bothered to get in front of a teleprompter like if this event was at a mosque or a PP death mill, but instead issues a press release.

Got it…

Liam on August 15, 2012 at 8:26 PM

I am scolding people because they are saying that LGBT organizations are responsible for this shooting. I think that they are morons.

theoddmanout on August 15, 2012 at 8:22 PM

The shooter was a member of the DC LGBT group. Where did he get the idea that FRC was a hate group?

faraway on August 15, 2012 at 8:26 PM

I am scolding people because they are saying that LGBT organizations are responsible for this shooting.

theoddmanout on August 15, 2012 at 8:22 PM

Who has said that?

Flora Duh on August 15, 2012 at 8:27 PM

I am scolding people because they are saying that LGBT organizations are responsible for this shooting. I think that they are morons. I also think that people who tried to blame the Tea Party for the Arizona shooting are morons too.</blockquote>

BTW, you couldn’t link the Arizona killing to the tea party. THe Arizona killer had NO link to the tea party. You are comparing apples and oranges.

This killer volunteered at a LGBT center, and went after FRC, because they had been listed as a ‘hate group” against LGBT.

melle1228 on August 15, 2012 at 8:28 PM

Quote fail:

I am scolding people because they are saying that LGBT organizations are responsible for this shooting. I think that they are morons. I also think that people who tried to blame the Tea Party for the Arizona shooting are morons too.

BTW, you couldn’t link the Arizona killing to the tea party. THe Arizona killer had NO link to the tea party. You are comparing apples and oranges.

This killer volunteered at a LGBT center, and went after FRC, because they had been listed as a ‘hate group” against LGBT

Many of us are not saying the shooter was sanctioned by LGBT groups, but certainly the rage seen in those groups contributed to the atmosphere that made this possible. Traditional marriage supporters buy chicken sandwiches. LGBT vandalize chicken stores…

melle1228 on August 15, 2012 at 8:31 PM

GLAAD: “We have approved Chick-Fil-A stores in the camps”

faraway on August 15, 2012 at 8:34 PM

@theoddmanout on August 15, 2012 at 8:22 PM

I am scolding people because they are saying that LGBT organizations are responsible for this shooting.

It may not be that LGBT groups are directly responsible, but the climate created by such militant homo. rights groups misrepresent others who disagree with homosexuality (as you have done to some of these organizations in this thread) to such an extent that a crackpot loon who is already sympathetic with pro- LGBT views feels it’s his duty to shoot people who espouse traditional mores.

As for this old quote:

These groups don’t simply stop at being against gay marriage, and disagreeing with homosexuality on a religious level, they go to the very extreme. They claim that anti-gay bullying programs at public schools are a mastermind plan to turn children gay, they claim that homosexuality is a mental disease, they claim that most homosexuals are pedophiles, they claim that gays can be turned straight by Christian “therapy”, so on and so forth.

So even if there are people out there who simply disagree with gay marriage and don’t hate homosexuals, whenever they hear these organizations spouting all of this other nonsense besides being against gay marriage, they get turned off to the movement, and either reconsider their position on gay marriage, or don’t vote at all.
theoddmanout on April 26, 2012 at 9:59 PM

I don’t see any of that as being “extreme” or “hateful.”

I have indeed read various articles over the years that there is a higher percentage of pedophiles among homos. than among heteros.

Some people have claimed that they were able to leave their former homosexual lifestyle and desires behind due to becoming Christians.

As for this:

They claim that anti-gay bullying programs at public schools are a mastermind plan to turn children gay,

Homosexual rights groups sure as heck don’t try to enforce “anti gay bullying” lectures and materials into schools to teach tolerance and respect for people who object to homosexuality, due to traditional morality or biblical beliefs.

They most definitely seek to indoctrinate kids to see homosexuality in one way and one way only (i.e, it is natural and acceptable), and they obviously seek to have kids believe that anyone who disagrees with homosexuality is evil, mean, unfair, narrow minded, uneducated, or bigoted.

TigerPaw on August 15, 2012 at 8:35 PM

I am scolding people because they are saying that LGBT organizations are responsible for this shooting. I think that they are morons. I also think that people who tried to blame the Tea Party for the Arizona shooting are morons too.
theoddmanout on August 15, 2012 at 8:22 PM

The only problem with this post is that the shooter today actually DID have an affiliation with the LGBT but the Arizona shooter DID NOT have an affiliation with the Tea Party…
The lefty liars tying to tie the shoter in Arizona to the Tea Party was a “FALSE NARRATIVE”…people here tying the shooter in DC today to the LGBT (and the anti-Chick-Fil-A groups) was TRUE

Strike Hornet on August 15, 2012 at 8:35 PM

Despite his injury, the guard gained control of the weapon and held it on the suspect.

The shooter’s wrist was probably too limp to have fired straight or re-aim.

WhatSlushfund on August 15, 2012 at 8:36 PM

Go over to cnn.com. When an organization dedicated to the preservation of life is attacked, it’s called a “Conservative group”. So the headline is “Conservative group’s guard shot, helps subdue gunman”. When any other place is shot up, it’s a massacre, bloody, death, etc and it’s the main story. Today’s main story is something about the mach 6 aircraft experiment. Of course, the bottom line will be more gun control in the ensuing media blitz and little discussion on the “Conservative group” that was the target.

long_cat on August 15, 2012 at 8:41 PM

They most definitely seek to indoctrinate kids to see homosexuality in one way and one way only (i.e, it is natural and acceptable), and they obviously seek to have kids believe that anyone who disagrees with homosexuality is evil, mean, unfair, narrow minded, uneducated, or bigoted.

TigerPaw on August 15, 2012 at 8:35 PM

From Queerty.com entitled: Can We Please Just Start Admitting That We Do Actually Want To Indoctrinate Kids?

The battle over Tennessee’s “Don’t Say Gay Bill” has made this most apparent. Why would anybody get all up in arms about punishing teachers who mention queers in the classroom unless we wanted teachers to do just that? In response against the bill, FCKH8 hired some little girls to drop F-bombs in their online PSAs and gave out hundreds of “Don’t B H8N on the Homos” t-shirts, wristbands, pins and stickers to school children in front of TV cameras. Recruiting children? You bet we are.

Why would we push anti-bullying programs or social studies classes that teach kids about the historical contributions of famous queers unless we wanted to deliberately educate children to accept queer sexuality as normal

Full story here: http://www.queerty.com/can-we-please-just-start-admitting-that-we-do-actually-want-to-indoctrinate-kids-20110512/#ixzz23fJaPwGe

melle1228 on August 15, 2012 at 8:43 PM

I am scolding people because they are saying that LGBT organizations are responsible for this shooting.

theoddmanout on August 15, 2012 at 8:22 PM

OK then , release ALL the incoming+outgoing
e-mails, FB and twitter posts and everything else about this shooter, for the last 10 years,
and let the people decide.
Y’all and your goon has nothing to hide , right ?

burrata on August 15, 2012 at 8:44 PM

they go to the very extreme
heoddmanout on April 26, 2012 at 9:59 PM

I don’t see any of that as being “extreme” or “hateful.”
TigerPaw on August 15, 2012 at 8:35 PM

I suspect those who work themselves into such a frenzied tiz just pound wildly away at their “h8ter” and extreeeeme” macro keys. Pretty funny, actually. Even more funny – they have no idea how silly they sound.

whatcat on August 15, 2012 at 8:46 PM

They most definitely seek to indoctrinate kids to see homosexuality in one way and one way only (i.e, it is natural and acceptable), and they obviously seek to have kids believe that anyone who disagrees with homosexuality is evil, mean, unfair, narrow minded, uneducated, or bigoted.
TigerPaw on August 15, 2012 at 8:35 PM

Google “Fistgate”, for example.

whatcat on August 15, 2012 at 8:48 PM

Homosexual rights groups sure as heck don’t try to enforce “anti gay bullying” lectures and materials into schools to teach tolerance and respect for people who object to homosexuality, due to traditional morality or biblical beliefs.

They most definitely seek to indoctrinate kids to see homosexuality in one way and one way only (i.e, it is natural and acceptable), and they obviously seek to have kids believe that anyone who disagrees with homosexuality is evil, mean, unfair, narrow minded, uneducated, or bigoted.

TigerPaw on August 15, 2012 at 8:35 PM

THIS is what is turning more and more fair-minded people off to the gay marriage agenda…the extreme vitriolic tactics used by the gay activists are as bad or worse than any used by any bullies in the schools…
I’m sorry, but the only way gays win this argument (changing the traditional definition of “marriage”) is to win the hearts and minds of the majority of voters, not by demonizing and vilifying those that don’t agree with them …(cue the pro gay marriage people in 3….2….1 to tell me all about the “polls” that show gay-marriage is a eventuality because all the young kids want it, even though it has never passed on a state ballot including the most liberal states in the Union)…

Strike Hornet on August 15, 2012 at 8:50 PM

canopfor on August 15, 2012 at 7:49 PM

Obamacare is proof Caliph Hussein doesn’t listen to or care about what people think.

Liam on August 15, 2012 at 7:52 PM

Liam:Amen,simce 2008 me thinks!:)

canopfor on August 15, 2012 at 8:51 PM

The only problem with this post is that the shooter today actually DID have an affiliation with the LGBT but the Arizona shooter DID NOT have an affiliation with the Tea Party…
The lefty liars tying to tie the shoter in Arizona to the Tea Party was a “FALSE NARRATIVE”…people here tying the shooter in DC today to the LGBT (and the anti-Chick-Fil-A groups) was TRUE

Strike Hornet on August 15, 2012 at 8:35 PM

Ok, I CLEARLY cannot type on a iPad glass keyboard…LOL

Strike Hornet on August 15, 2012 at 8:53 PM

I am calling him paranoid because he believes that I am secretly a liberal, even though I pointed out to him that I have condemned liberals on this very thread several times.

theoddmanout on August 15, 2012 at 8:22 PM

Ummm…babykid? I never said you are a liberal in any sense, wise, or way.

What I said was, in my view, you lecture with a wide stroke; in my view your lectures are aimed more at conservatives than anyone else. I judge that by your own posts.

Read what is before you, without the filter of your innate nature.

If I thought you a liblet, I would have said so straight up, using the direct and exact term.

Liam on August 15, 2012 at 8:54 PM

I am scolding people because they are saying that LGBT organizations are responsible for this shooting.

theoddmanout on August 15, 2012 at 8:22 PM

Are you familiar with the pro-gay site, Queerty? One of their commenters had this to say about today’s shooting.

James M. Martin

This organization has been listed by the Southern Poverty Law Center as a hate group. If the shooter was gay, he missed the target: Tony Perkins (the PAC man, not the actor), possibly the most homophobic individual (after Phred Phelps) in the country. Violence is no answer to any problem, though it should hardly surprise anyone that a militant gay person might snap in exactly the same way that the skinhead Nazi did at the Sikh Church. I mean, it happens. It should not, but it does.

http://www.queerty.com/frc-shooting-20120815/#comment-683676

Flora Duh on August 15, 2012 at 8:57 PM

The shooter’s wrist was probably too limp to have fired straight or re-aim.

WhatSlushfund on August 15, 2012 at 8:36 PM

Thank you so much for that bit of levity.

MustLoveBlogs on August 15, 2012 at 8:58 PM

I am scolding people…

theoddmanout on August 15, 2012 at 8:22 PM

By what authority, except your pompous own, do you claim right to ‘scold’ adults like they are Kindergarteners and you’re their self-presumed ‘teacher’?

No matter side of the political aisle you fall, you just revealed yourself in all your vainglory.

Pffft!

Liam on August 15, 2012 at 9:00 PM

Cbs and every other network that labels these people hate groups have blood on their hands.

Mormontheman on August 15, 2012 at 9:04 PM

Cbs and every other network that labels these people hate groups have blood on their hands.

Mormontheman on August 15, 2012 at 9:04 PM

The troll libfree hinted that since no one died it’s not all that big a deal.

Liam on August 15, 2012 at 9:15 PM

To be honest, I think that groups like the American Family Association, Focus On The Family, Americans For Truth About Homosexuality, and other vehemently anti-gay political groups are so extreme and out of touch, that they are actually driving moderates away from the anti-gay marriage movement.

These groups don’t simply stop at being against gay marriage, and disagreeing with homosexuality on a religious level, they go to the very extreme. They claim that anti-gay bullying programs at public schools are a mastermind plan to turn children gay, they claim that homosexuality is a mental disease, they claim that most homosexuals are pedophiles, they claim that gays can be turned straight by Christian “therapy”, so on and so forth.

So even if there are people out there who simply disagree with gay marriage and don’t hate homosexuals, whenever they hear these organizations spouting all of this other nonsense besides being against gay marriage, they get turned off to the movement, and either reconsider their position on gay marriage, or don’t vote at all.
theoddmanout on April 26, 2012 at 9:59 PM

melle1228 on August 15, 2012 at 8:04 PM

Good find. That sounds very close to hate speech indeed. That is, it sounds like an attempt to paint everyone who disagrees with the homosexual activist agenda as extremists that should be shunned by the rest of us.

The claim that homosexuals are born that way and cannot change is simply not backed up by evidence. When Paul the Apostle wrote to the Corinthians that effeminate and abusers of themselves with mankind — among a long list of other sins — would not inherit the kingdom of God, he then followed up by saying, “And such were some of you.” Obviously, he was making reference to people they knew.

Also, there are definite links between homosexuals and pedophilia. That does not mean “most” homosexuals are pedophiles. But homosexual activists — like libfreeordie earlier — like to exaggerate that into a claim that the FRC believes all homosexuals or “most” homosexuals are pedophiles, which is inaccurate.

tom on August 15, 2012 at 9:20 PM

I can’t even ‘see’ anything from facebook. Like I did with google’s intrusiveness, I rewrote my HOSTS file to re-direct attempts to contact any facebook, or facebook subsidiary website into ‘nowhere’.

LegendHasIt on August 15, 2012 at 8:06 PM

Cool! I think I might like to do that. What OS are you running?

Mary in LA on August 15, 2012 at 9:22 PM

theoddmanout on August 15, 2012 at 8:22 PM

You should not be taken seriously. I’ve never seen you comment when leftists gleefully engaged in guilt-by-association tactics to smear conservatives/tea partiers/Christians/anyone who disagreed with them when some crazy nut when on a murdering rampage.

22044 on August 15, 2012 at 9:23 PM

Responsibility for this crime really needs to be laid at the feet of liberals. They stoke this anger, accuse their opponents of being not just wrong, but evil, and suggest that the ends justify the means. And eventually some unstable person eventually acts out accordingly. In a way the guy that berated the girl in the Chick-Fil-a drive-thru is just a more benign version of today’s shooter.

ghostwriter on August 15, 2012 at 10:03 PM

These groups don’t simply stop at being against gay marriage, and disagreeing with homosexuality on a religious level, they go to the very extreme. They claim that anti-gay bullying programs at public schools are a mastermind plan to turn children gay, they claim that homosexuality is a mental disease, they claim that most homosexuals are pedophiles, they claim that gays can be turned straight by Christian “therapy”, so on and so forth.

So even if there are people out there who simply disagree with gay marriage and don’t hate homosexuals, whenever they hear these organizations spouting all of this other nonsense besides being against gay marriage, they get turned off to the movement, and either reconsider their position on gay marriage, or don’t vote at all.

melle1228 on August 15, 2012 at 8:04 PM

Are you suggesting that FRC had it coming? Here’s the thing: You’re part of the pproblem. FRC has the right to believe as they wish, and to express their beliefs. They even have the right to tryy influencing the public discourse. People like you are the ones that try to legitimize their speech and beliefs by calling it “hate”. If they want to believe homosexuality is a sin, who are you to be calling them haters for it? Don’t you see the hypocrisy in your position? Rather than calling people like FRC “haters”, simply indicate that you disagree and the your reasons, and then walk away. There is no need to engage in character assasination.

ghostwriter on August 15, 2012 at 10:13 PM

canopfor on August 15, 2012 at 7:08 PM

This will get worse…much worse.

oceansidecon on August 15, 2012 at 7:13 PM

oceansidecon:Unfortunately,your right!!!

canopfor on August 15, 2012 at 10:24 PM

Are you suggesting that FRC had it coming? Here’s the thing: You’re part of the pproblem. FRC has the right to believe as they wish, and to express their beliefs. They even have the right to tryy influencing the public discourse. People like you are the ones that try to legitimize their speech and beliefs by calling it “hate”. If they want to believe homosexuality is a sin, who are you to be calling them haters for it? Don’t you see the hypocrisy in your position? Rather than calling people like FRC “haters”, simply indicate that you disagree and the your reasons, and then walk away. There is no need to engage in character assasination.

ghostwriter on August 15, 2012 at 10:13 PM

I didn’t say that. I was quoting theooddmanout..

melle1228 on August 15, 2012 at 10:55 PM

I didn’t say that. I was quoting theooddmanout..

melle1228 on August 15, 2012 at 10:55 PM

My bad. Sorry!

ghostwriter on August 15, 2012 at 11:04 PM

Mary in LA on August 15, 2012 at 9:22 PM

You can find instructions on how to do it at any search engine for any Windows product. I don’t know about Linux, Mac etc. but I assume they have a similar way to do it.

LegendHasIt on August 15, 2012 at 11:12 PM

We need more completely incompetent terrorists like this a$$clown.

profitsbeard on August 15, 2012 at 11:33 PM

Sorry I’m getting to this late, don’t want to interrupt the fighting and insults from the tolerant left and so on, but I do want to address this security officer.

He did exactly what he was supposed to do. The primary obligation of a security officer is the protection of the lives on his site. It’s not ‘to observe and report’, that’s a job for folks like Michelle Malkin. You know. REPORTERS. It’s to protect life. All the other things? Telling you you can’t park there, or asking you what your business on the property is? That’s incidental to the primary job. Security Officers are the true first responders to an incident because they are already there when it happens. The Police are minutes away, the SO is there. Yet, Security is extremely low paid; no one gives a damn about security until they need it. THEN you expect that guy who you call ‘rentacop’ and make comments like, “Hey, have a good sleep at work tonight? Must be nice to sit on your butt all day and get paid!” (which, btw, is utter nonsense) to leap to your defense.

Granted, far to many folks in Security are worthless; but that’s because the standards are kept so low, as is the pay. But there ARE a number of us who try to do the best damned job we can. If you run a business, hire GOOD officers, and pay them well. If you’re a manager, urge your CEO to do the same. Because one day the crap may hit the fan, and if it does you want someone like Leo Johnson there, a man who apparently knew something about survival stress and disarming techniques. Not some minimum wage hack who is just there for a paycheck because he sucks at everything. Anyone may be able to get a job as a Security Officer, but very few people can actually DO the job, and do it well.

wolfva on August 16, 2012 at 12:51 AM

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