Romney campaign: $7.4 million raised online since Ryan was named VP

posted at 6:01 pm on August 14, 2012 by Allahpundit

Enthusiasm, to the tune of $100,000+ per hour:

It’s a testament to the phenomenal excitement that greeted Palin’s selection in 2008 that Team McCain raised $8.8 million in just 48 hours after she was named VP. As for Ryan, Ed noted on Sunday that Team Mitt collected $3.5 million on 41,000 donations during the first day after he was introduced, which tells us two things. One: As you might expect, the bigger donations from more ardent Ryan fans came flooding in right away. Over the first 24 hours, the average contribution was north of 85 bucks. Two: Although it took them two more days to raise just a bit more money than they did on day one, they’re still averaging 30,000 donations per day over the last 48 hours. That’s the smaller-money donors flowing in now to show their support too, which has driven the average contribution down to a shade above $73.

But never mind all that; given the huge sums being spent this year on both sides, this is pocket change. The real money is in Republican Super PACs. Anyone seen any reports on how they’re doing this week? I’d be awfully curious to know whose side the GOP’s megabucks donors are on with respect to Ryan’s selection. Are they in sync with the base, which is thrilled to see Romney show such balls on an issue as momentous as entitlement reform? Or are they in sync with the pessimistic strategists who are already in “Game Change II” mode for Politico?

In more than three dozen interviews with Republican strategists and campaign operatives — old hands and rising next-generation conservatives alike — the most common reactions to Ryan ranged from gnawing apprehension to hair-on-fire anger that Romney has practically ceded the election…

They’re worried about inviting Medicare — usually death for Republicans — into the campaign. They’re worried it sidetracks the jobs issue. They’re worried he’ll expose the fact that Romney doesn’t have a budget plan. Most of all, they’re worried that Romney was on track to lose anyway — and now that feels all but certain…

“He just doesn’t seem like he can step into the job on Day One,” said [one] strategist, who professed himself a Ryan fan…

“This is the day the music died,” one Republican operative involved in 2012 races said after the rollout. The operative said that every House candidate now is racing to get ahead of this issue.

Another strategist emailed midway through Romney and Ryan’s first joint event Saturday: “The good news is that this ticket now has a vision. The bad news is that vision is basically just a chart of numbers used to justify policies that are extremely unpopular.”

Good lord. I see some potential pitfalls in the pick too but I don’t remotely believe that “Romney has practically ceded the election.” A terrifying thought, my friends: Not only are there people out there who are considerably more eeyorish than I am, but they’re apparently all working for the GOP. Terrific.

Here’s Stewart and “The Daily Show” with a cute segment on how confident each side is that Ryan’s going to win them the election. Pessimistic exit question: What’s ultimately a bigger liability for Romney’s new VP, the Medicare debate — or this?


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Oh yeah.

terryannonline on August 14, 2012 at 6:04 PM

First Ryan interview, with Hume, on right now.

Schadenfreude on August 14, 2012 at 6:04 PM

Whhooot I’m in!

ConcealedKerry on August 14, 2012 at 6:05 PM

Romney campaign: $7.4 million raised online since Ryan was named VP

Didn’t Romney raise $100 million+ in each of the previous two months? That’s roughly $3 million per day.

If he has raised $7.4 million since Ryan was named VP (4 days ago); that’s actually LESS than his average fundrasing this summer.

Meh.

Norwegian on August 14, 2012 at 6:06 PM

That’s just about the amount of lost sales when Obama shuts down a beer tent.

carl todd hand on August 14, 2012 at 6:07 PM

I’ll admit I threw some cash at R2.

Kataklysmic on August 14, 2012 at 6:08 PM

If he has raised $7.4 million since Ryan was named VP (4 days ago); that’s actually LESS than his average fundrasing this summer.

Meh.

Norwegian on August 14, 2012 at 6:06 PM

I think this is just online donations, I might be wrong.

Corporal Tunnel on August 14, 2012 at 6:08 PM

A H*lluva good/great start!

canopfor on August 14, 2012 at 6:08 PM

A terrifying thought, my friends: Not only are there people out there who are considerably more eeyorish than I am, but they’re apparently all working for the GOP. Terrific.

Not only are they eeyorish like you, they won’t give out their real names either!

Night Owl on August 14, 2012 at 6:08 PM

The Dems are trying their hardest to feign excitement about the Ryan pick but it’s tediously transparent.

Go RBNY on August 14, 2012 at 6:09 PM

“Not only are there people out there who are considerably more eeyorish than I am, but they’re apparently all working for the GOP. Terrific.”

They are part of the political elite ruling class that have gotten us into this mess…

… and the the thought of Conservatives taking power would expose them and they would be out of a job.

We can’t have THAT now, can we…?

Seven Percent Solution on August 14, 2012 at 6:09 PM

Does this mean when we have a weak nom for President, a strong VP is necessary to strengthen the ticket? Twice in a row with the weak nom thing, twice in a row with the perceived strong VP selection. Is that right?

Bmore on August 14, 2012 at 6:09 PM

Why not just get a strong nom for President straight out of the gate in the first place?

Bmore on August 14, 2012 at 6:11 PM

Those unnamed sources sure no a lot that no one else seems to know…

right2bright on August 14, 2012 at 6:11 PM

I thought folks didn’t cast their votes based on the VP.

Bmore on August 14, 2012 at 6:11 PM

Are we doing this process wrong?

Bmore on August 14, 2012 at 6:11 PM

Just online donations too. That means there is likely a lot more than that from those seniors that, despite all disbelief from the left, like the guy after all…

Gingotts on August 14, 2012 at 6:12 PM

Much, much more is on the way too. The more desperate ocommie and crew get, the more stupid crap they say, the more people donate to Mitt & Co.

I can’t wait to see the various colors of verbal diarrhea that spews from ocommie’s mouth between now and November. I’ll have to buy extra medical tape to wrap around my ribs they make me laugh so hard.

Wolfmoon on August 14, 2012 at 6:12 PM

If we are doing it wrong who corrects it?

Bmore on August 14, 2012 at 6:12 PM

Pessimistic exit question: What’s ultimately a bigger liability for Romney’s new VP, the Medicare debate — or this?
===============================================

The sneaky DemORats are trying to connect,er,tether,
Ryan to Congress,

and its Congress…that road-blocked Obama’s sinister
plans for the Bars n’ Stars!!

So,Congreess is bad,evil…etc to infinity~,and ergo,
that must mean,Ryan too is…….

canopfor on August 14, 2012 at 6:13 PM

If he has raised $7.4 million since Ryan was named VP (4 days ago); that’s actually LESS than his average fundrasing this summer.

Meh.

Norwegian on August 14, 2012 at 6:06 PM

The flip side is this, though, –this past weekend is one of the last weekends before summer ends vis a vis kids going back to college and k-12 and donors were STILL paying attention and hauling themselves to the campaign website and donating.

Ryan is with Hume and hitting it out of the park–clear, concise answers.

herm2416 on August 14, 2012 at 6:13 PM

Why not just get a strong nom for President straight out of the gate in the first place?

Bmore on August 14, 2012 at 6:11 PM

I can’t verify it of course, but I think Romney has been playing rope-a-dope with ocommie for quite a while now, and ocommie and crew fall for it every time it seems.

Wolfmoon on August 14, 2012 at 6:14 PM

In 72 hours, @MittRomney & @PaulRyanVP raised $7.4 million online with over 101,000 donations

Yeah, Ms. Saul, but how many people died because they didn’t have RomneyCare?

BobMbx on August 14, 2012 at 6:14 PM

I thought folks didn’t cast their votes based on the VP.

Bmore on August 14, 2012 at 6:11 PM

I would say I was resigned to voting for Romney, but I feel a little better about it with Ryan along for the ride.

Night Owl on August 14, 2012 at 6:14 PM

Norwegian on August 14, 2012 at 6:06 PM
Romney campaign: $7.4 million raised online since Ryan was named VP
Online donations are typically small private individual donations not Big donor or corporate donors.

ConcealedKerry on August 14, 2012 at 6:14 PM

I’m voting for VP

it’s feels better than voting ABO

Slade73 on August 14, 2012 at 6:14 PM

Enthusiasm, to the tune of $100,000+ per hour:
===============================================

Hmmmmmm………

canopfor on August 14, 2012 at 6:14 PM

So that would be R2 versus D2?

Which would make Gary Johnson C3PO.

profitsbeard on August 14, 2012 at 6:14 PM

The Ryan – Biden debate.

(Boy do I crack myself up!)

Akzed on August 14, 2012 at 6:16 PM

Not only are they eeyorish like you, they won’t give out their real names either!

Night Owl on August 14, 2012 at 6:08 PM

Allah doesn’t give out his name because if he did, an easy google search would reveal he is a registered Democrat. That would kill any credibility he has here(if he even has some).

The Notorious G.O.P on August 14, 2012 at 6:16 PM

Ryan is the only one out there telling the truth and we are not stupid. He will save Romney and the republican party!

bopbottle on August 14, 2012 at 6:17 PM

It’s a testament to the phenomenal excitement that greeted Palin’s selection in 2008 that Team McCain raised $8.8 million in just 48 hours after she was named VP.

I think it’s more a testament to the fact that, after 3+ years of Obamanomics, people are hella poor these days.

AUINSC on August 14, 2012 at 6:17 PM

I remember when Trump was on Greta talking about how this country was being royally screwed by so many different people.

I wanted him to run because no one else was talking how he was talking.

Paul Ryan has been on Greta’s show a few times, and every time he was a very strong interview. Never saw him as a POTUS candidate, but he was always impressive.

No question he’ll do great in any interview. Doesn’t matter what network stooge does it.

B Man on August 14, 2012 at 6:17 PM

ABRs hardest hurt.

wargamer6 on August 14, 2012 at 6:19 PM

So,Congreess is bad,evil…etc to infinity~,and ergo,
that must mean,Ryan too is…….

canopfor on August 14, 2012 at 6:13 PM

Of course ocommie and crew conveniently leave out the fact that the SENATE IS HALF OF CONGRESS and that’s what’s democrap controlled, and is the REAL reason for gridlock.

I’m not seeing this explained enough to people, just more disinformation from the communist in chief.

Wolfmoon on August 14, 2012 at 6:20 PM

No question he’ll do great in any interview. Doesn’t matter what network stooge does it.

B Man on August 14, 2012 at 6:17 PM

Oh, he’ll do great in interviews and the stooges will slice and dice the tape and leave the good stuff on the editing floor.

See “60 Minutes” for further details.

JPeterman on August 14, 2012 at 6:21 PM

Sarah was solid gold in 2008 – SHE was the reason I gave BIG money then, and RYAN is the reason I am thrilled to give BIG money this time around.

Pork-Chop on August 14, 2012 at 6:21 PM

bgibbs1000 hardest hit.

beatcanvas on August 14, 2012 at 6:22 PM

A terrifying thought, my friends: Not only are there people out there who are considerably more eeyorish than I am, but they’re apparently all working for the GOP. Terrific.

This is news to you?

Uh-oh.

Bruno Strozek on August 14, 2012 at 6:22 PM

Akzed on August 14, 2012 at 6:16 PM

Awesome how do I copy that pic

ConcealedKerry on August 14, 2012 at 6:23 PM

Pessimistic exit question: What’s ultimately a bigger liability for Romney’s new VP, the Medicare debate — or this?

Low congressional approval didn’t seem to affect Biden in ’08 at all. Of course, I know Dems are held to a different standard, but I don’t think it’s going to matter much. Everyone hates Congress, but they usually re-elect their own, so that can like Ryan while still disliking Congress overall.

And those GOP strategists need to be canned, pronto. Too bad they were too gutless to go on the record. Handing talking points to the Dems is just dumb.

changer1701 on August 14, 2012 at 6:24 PM

Why not just get a strong nom for President straight out of the gate in the first place?

Bmore on August 14, 2012 at 6:11 PM

No one very strong ran this time. Also many Republican primary voters still allow their votes to be influenced by the media who will always push for the most moderate candidate. It’s much easier to wind up with a VP who is conservative because that person isn’t selected by millions of primary voters, many of whom may be ill informed and/or rinos.

Kataklysmic on August 14, 2012 at 6:25 PM

Why, this is just a nothing burger. Why does Hot Air and the HotArians even comment on this. Obama raises more. Why don’t we talk about how Romney introduced Ryan as the next “president” and indulge in extreme hyperbole about how Republicans are going to throw seniors off cliffs.

Verbaluce/

hawkdriver on August 14, 2012 at 6:26 PM

“Romney has practically ceded the election.”

Yeah, from the same ‘experts’ who gave us McCain.

GarandFan on August 14, 2012 at 6:27 PM

Good lord. I see some potential pitfalls in the pick too but I don’t remotely believe that “Romney has practically ceded the election.” A terrifying thought, my friends: Not only are there people out there who are considerably more eeyorish than I am, but they’re apparently all working for the GOP. Terrific.

Maybe. I have to admit I wonder if half of these people even exists…it seems that the Politico and Harry Reid are getting an earful from people who shall not be named. That always makes me wonder.

Ryan’s budget was popular in the House with the GOP. I doubt that the rest of the GOP is scared of the guy. No doubt there are people who were hoping for someone else to be picked, but I would be surprised if they were all Republican or if there were really that many of them.

Terrye on August 14, 2012 at 6:28 PM

The GOP SuperPAC money will flow big time when the polls start showing Ryan helping Romney.

The money probably is flowing already, but when those first polls show up….

B Man on August 14, 2012 at 6:28 PM

Not the conventional thinking. Will the establishment please take notes on growing a pair and being honest and true to conservative priciples.

Semiteconservative on August 14, 2012 at 6:28 PM

Steve Schmidt, Nicole Wallace…?

Another strategist emailed midway through Romney and Ryan’s first joint event Saturday: “The good news is that this ticket now has a vision. The bad news is that vision is basically just a chart of numbers used to justify policies that are extremely unpopular.

That is gobsmackingly wrong. Did he/she miss all the stuff about America being an “idea”? It’s been a very inspirational, positive campaign so far which will have great appeal to the heartland, to Independents, Seniors – to anyone who is not a captive of the garbage spewed out on a daily basis by the demagogues who run the Democrat-Socialist Propaganda Machine.

When Obama says God Bless America it’s not authentic; When Ryan and Romney talk about how great this country is you know it’s from the heart, not something fake they’ve been told to say by David Axelrod or Jim Messina. I betcha polls next week will show R&R are winning people over.

Buy Danish on August 14, 2012 at 6:29 PM

Why do the comments not load half the time?

hawkdriver on August 14, 2012 at 6:30 PM

Pessimistic exit question: What’s ultimately a bigger liability for Romney’s new VP, the Medicare debate — or this?

It’s clear that Romney is ready for the Medicare slugfest and is confident (as well as I am) that he’ll come out on top of that. The fact that Obama’s going for the “congressional appvl rating angle” is really pathetic. Remember, we’re looking to change the mind of the “low information” voter. Do you really think that they’ll be swayed with obscure connections between congressional polling numbers and a guy that most don’t even know about. The congressional appvl. rating thing reeks of desperation, and tells me that they are loosing ground in what they thought was a sure thing: Medicare (which is why 60 Mins. left Ryan’s answer on the cutting room floo). So now they’re grasping at the only thing they can and that’s the approval rating of the entire lower chamber of our House of Representatives. Again, weak.

Weight of Glory on August 14, 2012 at 6:33 PM

Didn’t Romney raise $100 million+ in each of the previous two months? That’s roughly $3 million per day.

If he has raised $7.4 million since Ryan was named VP (4 days ago); that’s actually LESS than his average fundrasing this summer.

Meh.

Norwegian on August 14, 2012 at 6:06 PM

$100 million is with the RNC. Not sure, but this 7.4 million may be to Romney’s campaign only and that is quite significant. Even if I’m in error on that one point, most of the donations for Romney and the RNC are not done online. Online donations are tiny by comparison to the full amount raised in a month. So in 3 days, Romney has been able to get 7% of 100 million in online donations alone. That is quite a significant amount.

MrX on August 14, 2012 at 6:35 PM

Why do the comments not load half the time?

hawkdriver on August 14, 2012 at 6:30 PM

I think its because they are tinkering with adding more ads and FB. Just a theory, it seems to coincide, others are also having that issue. Its java script more than likely.

Bmore on August 14, 2012 at 6:36 PM

One more point: I betcha today’s seniors are not as gullible and easily manipulated by Mediscare ads than they were a decade ago (or even 4 years ago). The new media has changed the playing field. Fox, for example, must have a huge audience of boomer and seniors – hence the volume of ads geared towards people who need canes and pills to fix their ailing prostrates.

Buy Danish on August 14, 2012 at 6:38 PM

The Ryan – Biden debate.

(Boy do I crack myself up!)

Akzed on August 14, 2012 at 6:16 PM

Akzed:

Haha nice one,I wonder if Ryan ever went bird hunting with Cheney!

canopfor on August 14, 2012 at 6:41 PM

I think this is just online donations, I might be wrong.

Corporal Tunnel on August 14, 2012 at 6:08 PM

You are correct.

taternuggets on August 14, 2012 at 6:41 PM

Buy Danish on August 14, 2012 at 6:29 PM

100% agree

Or are they in sync with the pessimistic strategists who are already in “Game Change II” mode for Politico?

Those strategists are addicted to the idea of contrarianism, they think it’s cool. Obama is a lot like them, that’s why their arguments ooze with hypocrisy.

Also they probably realize that their stock is diminishing. Because the reality is that Romney is his own man and he is running this campaign, not them. It’s what real leaders do.

sheryl on August 14, 2012 at 6:41 PM

Didn’t Romney raise $100 million+ in each of the previous two months? That’s roughly $3 million per day.

If he has raised $7.4 million since Ryan was named VP (4 days ago); that’s actually LESS than his average fundrasing this summer.

Meh.

Norwegian on August 14, 2012 at 6:06 PM

As it indicated in the HEADLINE, this figure is for online donations only, to Romney/Ryan only. Based on the last two months, this would therefore represent, at a minimum, an incremental $2 million per day in additional funds. In addition, given the relatively low average donation size, these are people who are not maxed out and may keep giving. A very good sign indeed, which I certainly understand you would be trying to downplay or present in the most negative possible light.

HTL on August 14, 2012 at 6:42 PM

Why do the comments not load half the time?

hawkdriver on August 14, 2012 at 6:30 PM

..are they being glitched by the ads reformatting in your browser?

The War Planner on August 14, 2012 at 6:43 PM

When the Republican pundits (of the Frum ilk and all) are bashing Romney for his pick and warning about election loss, it’s a good indication that we are doing great….

jimver on August 14, 2012 at 6:44 PM

canopfor on August 14, 2012 at 6:13 PM

Of course ocommie and crew conveniently leave out the fact that the SENATE IS HALF OF CONGRESS and that’s what’s democrap controlled, and is the REAL reason for gridlock.

I’m not seeing this explained enough to people, just more disinformation from the communist in chief.

Wolfmoon on August 14, 2012 at 6:20 PM

Wolfmoon:Yup,in Obama’s first two years,the Dems had complete
control!!

canopfor on August 14, 2012 at 6:44 PM

So now they’re grasping at the only thing they can and that’s the approval rating of the entire lower chamber of our House of Representatives. Again, weak.

Weight of Glory on August 14, 2012 at 6:33 PM

And I would add the low rating is probably connected more to Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid than anyone else.

sheryl on August 14, 2012 at 6:45 PM

Why do the comments not load half the time?

hawkdriver on August 14, 2012 at 6:30 PM

FYI, using Firefox browser plus Ads Block and Ads Block Plus add-ons fixed all the problems I was having on this site some time ago and I’ve had no problems today or recently. Hope this helps.

TXUS on August 14, 2012 at 6:46 PM

Back to Reality!!!! 24 hours (2012)….Ryan surge raises 3.5 million – 24 hours (2008)….Palin surge raises 7.0 million so 4 days 7.4 million and in 24 hrs Palin 7.0 million.

Chitown2424 on August 14, 2012 at 6:46 PM

what? No drawing for a dinner with the candidates? No campaign asking supporters to fork over their wedding gifts?

How did they accomplish this?

ramrants on August 14, 2012 at 6:47 PM

bgibbs1000 hardest hit.

beatcanvas on August 14, 2012 at 6:22 PM

One of the Palin zealots who crowed Ryan only raised 3.5 while Sarah raised 7? If it’s not, excuse me.

Marcus on August 14, 2012 at 6:47 PM

Didn’t Romney raise $100 million+ in each of the previous two months? That’s roughly $3 million per day.

If he has raised $7.4 million since Ryan was named VP (4 days ago); that’s actually LESS than his average fundrasing this summer.

Meh.

Norwegian on August 14, 2012 at 6:06 PM

Aww, crunchi g numbers thee and hoping it fits your narrative :)….you forget other GOP orgs who fundraise at the same time, the Rep Comiittee, etc..those were not included in the count….

jimver on August 14, 2012 at 6:49 PM

***ALERT******

Report: Virginia government officials say state agencies saved enough money to give employees year-end bonuses – @AP

AP sources: McDonnell to announce agency savings that would allow 3 percent state worker bonus
Tuesday, August 14, 6:19 PM

http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/ap-sources-mcdonnell-to-announce-agency-savings-that-would-allow-3-percent-state-worker-bonus/2012/08/14/1fa8f4c0-e65e-11e1-9739-eef99c5fb285_story.html

canopfor on August 14, 2012 at 6:49 PM

Back to Reality!!!! 24 hours (2012)….Ryan surge raises 3.5 million – 24 hours (2008)….Palin surge raises 7.0 million so 4 days 7.4 million and in 24 hrs Palin 7.0 million.

Chitown2424 on August 14, 2012 at 6:46 PM

And that didn’t help her ticket much, did it now…

jimver on August 14, 2012 at 6:51 PM

Back to Reality!!!! 24 hours (2012)….Ryan surge raises 3.5 million – 24 hours (2008)….Palin surge raises 7.0 million so 4 days 7.4 million and in 24 hrs Palin 7.0 million.

Chitown2424 on August 14, 2012 at 6:46 PM

Who freaking cares! This isn’t a popularity contest between Palin and Ryan. They are on the same side.

I don’t care how much Palin raised – I care how much R&R are raising and right now it’s pretty damn good in a recession.

gophergirl on August 14, 2012 at 6:54 PM

Could it be we are doing this wrong intentionally? What I mean by that is, we aren’t really doing it, we are being persuaded to do it. Not to sound the conspiracy horn or anything. But is it being planned out this way by the party? It seems very odd to me that not all that many folks were jazzed by McCain or Romney, yet here we are. Nightowl suggests its because we ran weak candidates that we end up with a less than desirable outcome. Was it predetermined that this would be the result?

Bmore on August 14, 2012 at 6:54 PM

How did they accomplish this?

ramrants on August 14, 2012 at 6:47 PM

ramrants:

Me thinks,they passed around the golf-cart,at all
of the Dirty Filthy Rotten Rich….”CountryClubs”!!!!!!!

(snark)

canopfor on August 14, 2012 at 6:55 PM

As I was saying^^^^:

But Ryan also made a positive appeal to Americans’ aspirational spirit, which he claims Obama is intent on discouraging. He chided the president for acting as if Americans are creatures without agency, acted upon by forces they can’t control, capable only of being delivered by the benevolent hand of federal government.

“When I was growing up, flipping burgers at McDonald’s or…washing dishes, I never felt like I was stuck in some station in life,” Ryan said. “I thought to myself: I’m the American dream.”

Buy Danish on August 14, 2012 at 6:56 PM

The new media has changed the playing field. Fox, for example, must have a huge audience of boomer and seniors – hence the volume of ads geared towards people who need canes and pills to fix their ailing prostrates.

Buy Danish on August 14, 2012 at 6:38 PM

…and all thise those commercials for life alert devices for seniors …I thought it was just me, but I see other people noticed the abundance of Fox ads targetting medicare age people…and I don’t even wtach much TV…..

jimver on August 14, 2012 at 6:58 PM

Why do the comments not load half the time?

hawkdriver on August 14, 2012 at 6:30 PM

hawkdriver:Try bumping up your distributor a few degrees!
(kidding ya Hawk):)

canopfor on August 14, 2012 at 7:02 PM

Could it be we are doing this wrong intentionally? What I mean by that is, we aren’t really doing it, we are being persuaded to do it. Not to sound the conspiracy horn or anything. But is it being planned out this way by the party? It seems very odd to me that not all that many folks were jazzed by McCain or Romney, yet here we are. Nightowl suggests its because we ran weak candidates that we end up with a less than desirable outcome. Was it predetermined that this would be the result?

Bmore on August 14, 2012 at 6:54 PM

Bit outlandish that…

jimver on August 14, 2012 at 7:02 PM

Bit outlandish that…

jimver on August 14, 2012 at 7:02 PM

Yeah that’s what I think, yet here we are again.

Bmore on August 14, 2012 at 7:04 PM

Could it be we are doing this wrong intentionally? What I mean by that is, we aren’t really doing it, we are being persuaded to do it. Not to sound the conspiracy horn or anything. But is it being planned out this way by the party? It seems very odd to me that not all that many folks were jazzed by McCain or Romney, yet here we are. Nightowl suggests its because we ran weak candidates that we end up with a less than desirable outcome. Was it predetermined that this would be the result?

Bmore on August 14, 2012 at 6:54 PM

Hmm… Interesting theory, but I disagree. If Romney wanted to throw the election, he would’ve chosen a complete loser like Portman as his VP.

While I think Ryan is a decent VP pick, I don’t think he will make much of a difference. Maybe a few points in GOP turnout, but that’s about it. If Romney really wants to win this thing, he needs to go hard negative against Obama and do so fairly soon.

Norwegian on August 14, 2012 at 7:06 PM

First Ryan interview, with Hume, on right now.

Schadenfreude on August 14, 2012 at 6:04 PM

I thought he did pretty well. Avoided giving some detail that Hume was asking for and lapsed back into generalized campaignspeak. He’ll learn how to finesse that a little better as he goes. Other than that, he sounded good.

a capella on August 14, 2012 at 7:08 PM

As I was saying^^^^:

But Ryan also made a positive appeal to Americans’ aspirational spirit, which he claims Obama is intent on discouraging. He chided the president for acting as if Americans are creatures without agency, acted upon by forces they can’t control, capable only of being delivered by the benevolent hand of federal government.

“When I was growing up, flipping burgers at McDonald’s or…washing dishes, I never felt like I was stuck in some station in life,” Ryan said. “I thought to myself: I’m the American dream.”

Buy Danish on August 14, 2012 at 6:56 PM

Uh-oh, someone worked in a minimum-wage fast-food service job and actually turned out quite well-off. Won’t this send the proggies into a panic?

slickwillie2001 on August 14, 2012 at 7:14 PM

hawkdriver on August 14, 2012 at 6:30 PM

FYI, using Firefox browser plus Ads Block and Ads Block Plus add-ons fixed all the problems I was having on this site some time ago and I’ve had no problems today or recently. Hope this helps.

TXUS on August 14, 2012 at 6:46 PM

I do. But I lose a few features with Foxfire. Thanks.

hawkdriver on August 14, 2012 at 7:17 PM

First Ryan interview, with Hume, on right now.

Schadenfreude on August 14, 2012 at 6:04 PM

I thought he did pretty well. Avoided giving some detail that Hume was asking for and lapsed back into generalized campaignspeak. He’ll learn how to finesse that a little better as he goes. Other than that, he sounded good.

a capella on August 14, 2012 at 7:08 PM

He is always going to be asked about “his plan, his budget” and he has to simply bounce those questions. When someone signs onto a ticket as VP candidate, he takes the platform of the top of the ticket, not the other way around. That’s just how it works.

slickwillie2001 on August 14, 2012 at 7:20 PM

Norwegian on August 14, 2012 at 7:06 PM

No, I didn’t mean to say Romney wants to lose. I think he wants to win. My question is more a bounce off of what Allah eluded to. Seems like we end up with a weak nom this and last time, followed by trying to sure up stronger support through the VP selection. My question is more to, how do we keep ended up with such weak noms? I worry that the process is both corrupted and broken to the point where it is need of repair. I compared vote totals amongst the various candidates during the primary run. Interesting how our nom scored at best a mediocre vote total when compared to the total vote count. Yet he is the nom. Perhaps we are running too many during the process, for example, this time round the process had been made longer. Did the change help to aggravate the eventual outcome? Something is wrong with the process when twice in a row we have nominated weak Presidential candidates. Maybe its as good as the process ever gets. I was just trying to get some input on it from other folks here. I trust the opinions of most of our commenters here even if I don’t agree with them. Guess they don’t feel like taking the issue up. It is a hard question to think about , admittedly, it requires a certain suspicion of the very process we rely on. Folks often find that awkward and uncomfortable to consider.

Bmore on August 14, 2012 at 7:21 PM

Does this mean when we have a weak nom for President, a strong VP is necessary to strengthen the ticket? Twice in a row with the weak nom thing, twice in a row with the perceived strong VP selection. Is that right?

Bmore

Well, it doesn’t hurt.

Why not just get a strong nom for President straight out of the gate in the first place?

Bmore

Gee, why didn’t anyone else think of that? ;) A strong candidate has to actually run for the job first. If only weak candidates run, you’re going to get a weak candidate.

xblade on August 14, 2012 at 7:24 PM

If only weak candidates run, you’re going to get a weak candidate.

xblade on August 14, 2012 at 7:24 PM

Good point of course, just seems like there are better folks available, or maybe not. Really who would want the job anyway. Doesn’t pay well and the people end up hating you. We always hate the Boss. Lol! ; )

Bmore on August 14, 2012 at 7:36 PM

Bmore on August 14, 2012 at 6:54 PM

But didn’t we have a couple of good candidates running that no one voted for?

People keep saying how did we end up with this candidate but he got the votes.

Barred on August 14, 2012 at 7:43 PM

Why not just get a strong nom for President straight out of the gate in the first place. Bmore on August 14, 2012 at 6:11 PM

If you were a whole lot smarter you would realize – as does a man who is a whole lot smarter than you, namely the next Vice President – that we have the strongest possible nominee for President.

We have a man of of decency and character, a man of remarkable industry, high intelligence (and the marks to prove it) outstanding success in the private sector and significant accomplishment in government service. Romney has picked the best possible man to help him reform the government. He will be a great President – as will Ryan after him.

Basilsbest on August 14, 2012 at 7:47 PM

I did my small part!

RedNewEnglander on August 14, 2012 at 7:56 PM

Basilsbest on August 14, 2012 at 7:47 PM

Spoken like the party man you have shown yourself to be on more than one occasion. God forbid anyone question the party or the system. You are smart enough to have missed the very essence of my question and point. I’m sure since you are the party smart guy you and you alone are correct in all you assert. Missing the point is something you do have a talent for. Perhaps with your head so far up the ass of the establishment you have difficulty seeing. Continue towing the line for a party which is partially responsible for the predicament we find ours selves in at this very point in history. History is bound to repeat and you antiquated thinking will fit in perfectly. It must do some harm to your sensibilities to think outside of that small confining box you inhabit. Thin skinned smart party friend.

Bmore on August 14, 2012 at 8:05 PM

you=you’re

Bmore on August 14, 2012 at 8:10 PM

Bmore on August 14, 2012 at 8:05 PM

You have no idea who I am. Your rage against the party shtick is infantile. It is either our party or the party of the socialist Obama.

You have nothing. Except more than your fair share of cluelessness.

Basilsbest on August 14, 2012 at 8:15 PM

“It’s a testament to the phenomenal excitement that greeted Palin’s selection in 2008 that Team McCain raised $8.8 million in just 48 hours after she was named VP.”

But Team McCain never cleared 100 mil in a month. I’d rather have a higher average than a better quickshot.

Zaggs on August 14, 2012 at 8:20 PM

…this will be the second time I’m voting for the VP

KOOLAID2 on August 14, 2012 at 8:36 PM

No, I didn’t mean to say Romney wants to lose. I think he wants to win. My question is more a bounce off of what Allah eluded to. Seems like we end up with a weak nom this and last time, followed by trying to sure up stronger support through the VP selection. My question is more to, how do we keep ended up with such weak noms? I worry that the process is both corrupted and broken to the point where it is need of repair. I compared vote totals amongst the various candidates during the primary run. Interesting how our nom scored at best a mediocre vote total when compared to the total vote count. Yet he is the nom. Perhaps we are running too many during the process, for example, this time round the process had been made longer. Did the change help to aggravate the eventual outcome? Something is wrong with the process when twice in a row we have nominated weak Presidential candidates. Maybe its as good as the process ever gets. I was just trying to get some input on it from other folks here. I trust the opinions of most of our commenters here even if I don’t agree with them. Guess they don’t feel like taking the issue up. It is a hard question to think about , admittedly, it requires a certain suspicion of the very process we rely on. Folks often find that awkward and uncomfortable to consider.

Bmore on August 14, 2012 at 7:21 PM

I think the primaries should be held nationwide on the same day, and the Party should no longer sanction caucuses.

Dr. ZhivBlago on August 14, 2012 at 8:40 PM

Why not just get a strong nom for President straight out of the gate in the first place.

Bmore on August 14, 2012 at 6:11 PM

I think we do have a strong nominee. Conservatives were just never convinced about which side of center Mitt would ultimately govern from which is why so many of us never flocked to him, no? IMO, that’s why everyone kept candidate jumping and why he never ran away with the win during the primaries. I don’t think that makes him a weak candidate, just one that the base is unsure of. Perhaps the Ryan pick somewhat helps to prove where Romney intends to take us. I think he has impeccable credentials and will have exceptional appeal to moderates and independents. Ryan’s conservative credibility on the other hand, is much more convincing to many, and again in IMO, conservatives are able to have more trust about what they’re going to get with him. That’s why he comes across as the “star” around these parts. Trust is what makes all the difference.

My two cents.

lynncgb on August 14, 2012 at 9:08 PM

Bmore

You’re desperately needed on Allahpundit’s 8:01 thread. Most everyone over there is pretty excited by the latest ad from our weak nom. Perhaps a concern troll knob like you can add some balance.

Basilsbest on August 14, 2012 at 9:13 PM

You have no idea who I am. Your rage against the party shtick is infantile. It is either our party or the party of the socialist Obama.

You have nothing. Except more than your fair share of cluelessness.

Basilsbest on August 14, 2012 at 8:15 PM

Pathetic. You have no response. I don’t care who you are. You cannot entertain any concept foreign to your own small world view. That’s all I know of you. You protect party first and foremost. You cannot reconcile the fact that both party’s are responsible for the mess. I have not said anything which leads you to protect something which is no more yours than anyone else’s. I never compared a choice. My point had nothing to do with that. As I said earlier you miss the point. There can be no discussion when you insist on being a protectionist party toy. All hail the party. It has and can do now wrong. No thanks. Its not what the founders had in mind. IMHO. Think Whigs if you will. I run lockstep with no one, no party, no politician. All politicians are of a party. My initial concern is about process. The only reason party is involved is because it is the problem, in my view.

You’re desperately needed on Allahpundit’s 8:01 thread. Most everyone over there is pretty excited by the latest ad from our weak nom. Perhaps a concern troll knob like you can add some balance.

Basilsbest on August 14, 2012 at 9:13 PM

Again you have missed the point. Have you no inkling of observation? No creative awareness? Lockstep is your style. A follower, never a visionary or leader. You manufacture things you think I have said to manage your own intellectual ineptness. I am quite happy for everyone who is happy. I need to take nothing from another to have my own mind. You seem intent on suggesting otherwise, yet it is only your projection toward me that you have. No intelligent observations of your own. You seem happy to be the smart party man. I congratulate you. Carry on. Never questioning that which you are told to think.

Bmore on August 14, 2012 at 9:21 PM

I think the primaries should be held nationwide on the same day, and the Party should no longer sanction caucuses.

Dr. ZhivBlago on August 14, 2012 at 8:40 PM

I think that is an excellent idea. Similarly I never before had believed in term limits either. I am coming around to thinking the basic structural change may be necessary also. I am one who does not believe modifications to the process or system are a partisan concept. I would actually like to improve what we have, rather than start all over. I just feel as though something is wanting in the system we are currently using. Not sure what, which is why I posed the question. Thanks for actually considering it. Its why I come here. Otherwise I’d just go to Townhall. Lol! ; )

Bmore on August 14, 2012 at 9:26 PM

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