Flashback to 2005: Where’s the Medicare reform instead of Social Security reform, asks Senate backbencher

posted at 2:01 pm on August 14, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

As Barack Obama and his allies unleash their full Mediscaring fury, perhaps it’s helpful to recall this moment in 2005.  George W. Bush proclaimed a mandate to fix Social Security after the 2004 election, which had Democrats insisting even then that Social Security didn’t need reform, and that it was safe for another 20 years.  One Democrat in particular questioned the reform priorities of Bush, joining a few Republicans who had the same concern.  Why not tackle Medicare reform instead, as it was by far the largest driver of unfunded and irrational future liabilities?  Buzzfeed’s Andrew Kaczynski makes the find:

Democrats, let by Harry Reid, successfully demagogued Bush on Social Security reform — and seven years later, the SSA funds are running in the red.  Meanwhile, that backbencher won the next presidential election.  Did he offer Medicare reform to deal with the massive liabilities building up in the system?  Why, no — and now he’s demonizing Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan for daring to propose specific plans for reform.

The positions change, but the demagoguery remains the same.


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2008 Debates, Obama said: We all know how to fix Social Security.

This was a brush off of McCain’s point that Social Security was turning into a big fiscal fiasco.

Yet, oddly, no fix was incoming.

lorien1973 on August 14, 2012 at 2:04 PM

…in an anal cavity?

KOOLAID2 on August 14, 2012 at 2:04 PM

If we can’t defeat this POS, or if the country is determined to re-elect him, then the country deserves it’s fate.

aquaviva on August 14, 2012 at 2:04 PM

But… he got his ‘signature achievement’… and doubled down on expanding entitlements. I guess he has his priorities.

thatsafactjack on August 14, 2012 at 2:05 PM

“We tried our plan – and it worked.”

Bitter Clinger on August 14, 2012 at 2:05 PM

Democrats: “THAT NEVER HAPPENED.”

It just goes to show how most politicians say one thing and do another. What’s even more ironic and comical is how the guy supposed to change the climate of Washington is the mascot for this type of behavior.

Aizen on August 14, 2012 at 2:05 PM

He evolves. Situational awareness. We’re taught that in CCW class.

a capella on August 14, 2012 at 2:05 PM

Heck, I’d settle for welfare reform.

wait…what?

Lost in Jersey on August 14, 2012 at 2:05 PM

Obama 2005 vs Obama 2012

It reminds me of this cartoon… Kerry vs Kerry

aunursa on August 14, 2012 at 2:06 PM

Except according to Sununu he cut $700 billion from Medicare. Isn’t that reform?

red_herring on August 14, 2012 at 2:07 PM

This is a critical point. The third rail of politics gave them a fast track to cronyism and total corruption. Time to drain the swamp.
Back to Rush

mike_NC9 on August 14, 2012 at 2:07 PM

Aw, even DickDurbin was there!

SouthernGent on August 14, 2012 at 2:08 PM

Obama 2005 vs Obama 2012

It reminds me of this cartoon… Kerry vs Kerry

aunursa on August 14, 2012 at 2:06 PM

He was for Medicare reform before he was against it.

Bitter Clinger on August 14, 2012 at 2:08 PM

Why aren’t the RNC and GOP on this? Where are the ads?

The Romans had a term for those unfit to fight: “imbeciles.”

rrpjr on August 14, 2012 at 2:09 PM

This is being taken out of context.

SouthernGent on August 14, 2012 at 2:09 PM

C’mon, it’s far too much to ask a Senator who rode affirmative action all the way to Harvard … and beyonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnd … to actually do something in the Senate.

Isn’t it enough, that he filled a seat in the Senate – and wasn’t white?

OhEssYouCowboys on August 14, 2012 at 2:09 PM

Except according to Sununu he cut $700 billion from Medicare. Isn’t that reform?

red_herring on August 14, 2012 at 2:07 PM

King Obama cut the $700 billion to fund ObamaCare. How is that reform?

JPeterman on August 14, 2012 at 2:10 PM

Except according to Sununu he cut $700 billion from Medicare. Isn’t that reform?

red_herring on August 14, 2012 at 2:07 PM

When you send $500 on the lottery instead of at the casino, is that really cutting your gambling down?

lorien1973 on August 14, 2012 at 2:12 PM

Except according to Sununu he cut $700 billion from Medicare. Isn’t that reform?

red_herring on August 14, 2012 at 2:07 PM

When you send $500 on the lottery instead of at the cas1no, is that really cutting your gambl1ng down?

lorien1973 on August 14, 2012 at 2:12 PM

How dare you, you know just as well that this is taken out of context

s/

Erikimmigrant on August 14, 2012 at 2:13 PM

This is being taken out of context.

SouthernGent on August 14, 2012 at 2:09 PM

“And it’s even worse when taken in context”-some politician dude…

SWalker on August 14, 2012 at 2:13 PM

Except according to Sununu he cut $700 billion from Medicare. Isn’t that reform?
red_herring on August 14, 2012 at 2:07 PM

Taking money for one piggy bank to spend on another is NOT CUTTING SPENDING!

Pay attention.

jawkneemusic on August 14, 2012 at 2:16 PM

Except according to Sununu he cut $700 billion from Medicare. Isn’t that reform?

red_herring on August 14, 2012 at 2:07 PM

LOL, you’re kidding, right? Please tell me you’re not that dense.

Midas on August 14, 2012 at 2:16 PM

Except according to Sununu he cut $700 billion from Medicare. Isn’t that reform?

red_herring on August 14, 2012 at 2:07 PM

that’s according to the CBO

Slade73 on August 14, 2012 at 2:17 PM

…we’re eating our peas!

KOOLAID2 on August 14, 2012 at 2:17 PM

Except according to Sununu he cut $700 billion from Medicare. Isn’t that reform?

red_herring on August 14, 2012 at 2:07 PM

Does it save the program? Then it isn’t reform.

magicbeans on August 14, 2012 at 2:18 PM

now we know Obama is Kenyan and spineless

Slade73 on August 14, 2012 at 2:19 PM

In the video he looks clean but has the gangsta lean on the podium.

docflash on August 14, 2012 at 2:21 PM

I DID Reform Medicare, I invested 716 billion from Medicare into Obamacare and set up Medicare as a slushfund to hide Obamacare’s true cost.

//Choom King

harlekwin15 on August 14, 2012 at 2:23 PM

Before I turn it over to Dick.

Ben Hur on August 14, 2012 at 2:23 PM

MITT ROMNEY KILLED MY GAY WOMAN CANCER DOG!@41!@$!!!

Good Lt on August 14, 2012 at 2:23 PM

Does it save the program? Then it isn’t reform.

magicbeans on August 14, 2012 at 2:18 PM

Well it is reform an awful lot like say Bernie Madoff reformed his investors’ portfolios.

harlekwin15 on August 14, 2012 at 2:24 PM

Except according to Sununu he cut $700 billion from Medicare. Isn’t that reform?

red_herring on August 14, 2012 at 2:07 PM

Open letter to management:

Can we please upgrade our troll crew? I mean this isn’t even entertaining it’s so inane. Perhaps a signing bonus or some other incentive to attract individuals who can at least string together a few coherent thoughts.

Thx

Lost in Jersey on August 14, 2012 at 2:27 PM

All you have under Obama are Starnesvilles, on purpose.

Did you know the weather services are now arming themselves? What are they protecting themselves from?

Schadenfreude on August 14, 2012 at 2:27 PM

Obama was elected to talk, not act.

Acting is for little people.

NoDonkey on August 14, 2012 at 2:27 PM

Just one more reason Mitt Romney will lose this election.

The Republicans are starting to make a big deal out of the huge 700 billion in cuts on Medicare. But the message is very muddled. Sometimes they even say millions in stead of billions. They are totally ignoring that the Democrats are making out like Ryans plan does not start till 2015 at the earliest and that under Obamas plan Medicare would have gone bankrupt by then where are the Medicare went bankrupt because Obama did nothing ads or responses. Come on at least try to fight for Americans Establishment Republicans. You completely control the convention. You have locked out the Conservative Base. So at least fight this fight. Tell the truth. Ryan will save Medicare Obama will Bankrupt it. With Ryan you get health insurance with Obama you get nothing. Obama really does want to kill you literally with his death panels that deny coverage for Hip Replacements that means you die within a year just like in England. Educate Americans to what the ultimate plan is under Universal Health Care.

But no. Establishment Republicans do not want anything different in reality than Obama. Establishment Republicans only want to enrich different people. Sometimes it seems that they really want the Democrats to have control like this year when no real attempt is made to win the election.

Steveangell on August 14, 2012 at 2:28 PM

if they don’t make an ad out of this, they have no chance…

peachaeo on August 14, 2012 at 2:28 PM

Does it save the program? Then it isn’t reform.

magicbeans on August 14, 2012 at 2:18 PM

Ryan and Obama both cap growth at 0.5%. You can argue that the number is impossible to get under Obama’s proposal, but if it were to work (again, it’s highly debatable) it’d have the same effect as Ryan’s plan. I don’t see how you can claim that’s not reform.

red_herring on August 14, 2012 at 2:29 PM

…we’re eating our peas!

KOOLAID2 on August 14, 2012 at 2:17 PM

i’m eating an egg Mcmuffin while giving Michelle my belle and the entire world a one finger salute!

GhoulAid on August 14, 2012 at 2:31 PM

Typical lefty behavior .
Always asking ” why are you doing this , instead of that ?”
but never doing anything themselves

burrata on August 14, 2012 at 2:31 PM

If we can’t defeat this POS, or if the country is determined to re-elect him, then the country deserves it’s fate.

aquaviva on August 14, 2012 at 2:04 PM

My thoughts exactly. If this guy gets re-elected, I will be burying my retirement funds in the backyard because he will be coming after them. Let the idiots that vote for him pay for his follies.

bopbottle on August 14, 2012 at 2:31 PM

O’s a scuzz. But more than ever imo in this case we have to concentrate on the actual issue of the proposed Medicare reform, not so much on O’s bad character. Sure, talk about O’s character and deceptions, but don’t concentrate on that as far as Medicare goes. And I say again if you haven’t seen it already watch and share and promote via your blogs this 4 minute video where Ryan lays the issue down in very Republican friendly terms: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJIC7kEq6kw&info=RyanMedicare
A very interesting point about that video, those “red bureaucrats” as far as I can tell represent the Obamacare intervention. We have the grand “theory of everything” potential to tie Obamacare inextricably up with Ryan’s proposal. The question: is it Ryan’s reform, or a govt takeover and lines for inferior service and govt $ being skewed more and more into substandard Medicaid… as Medicare shrivels?

anotherJoe on August 14, 2012 at 2:34 PM

But no. Establishment Republicans do not want anything different in reality than Obama. Establishment Republicans only want to enrich different people. Sometimes it seems that they really want the Democrats to have control like this year when no real attempt is made to win the election.

Steveangell on August 14, 2012 at 2:28 PM

Yeah well Mediscare is a tool tiger and Barry’s a real fan of “make the live up to their own rules”…

I plan to make him pay for his lies you can join in, get out of the way, or help the democrats….

harlekwin15 on August 14, 2012 at 2:37 PM

red_herring isn’t very bright

I’ll admit though that if Mitt would stop killing Hispanic Gay Woman Cancer stricken dogs, it might attract the independents

Slade73 on August 14, 2012 at 2:38 PM

red_herring on August 14, 2012 at 2:29 PM

Because most of us aren’t interested in engaging in an argument about ‘reform’ simply for the sake of saying that something was altered, and thus, calling it ‘reformed’.

We are arguing for MEANINGFUL, sensible, effective, QUALITY, reform.

Reform that lowers the cost of health care insurance AND lowers the cost of health care SERVICES… thus making more AFFORDABLE health care insurance AND health care services available to more people.

We argue that doing this WHILE saving the safety net programs for future generations is imperative.

We argue that making these changes through free market reforms that drive up competition while driving down costs…thus increasing accessibility to everyone…. and lowering the cost to, and involvement of, the federal government is vital.

Simply saying that something has been changed and calling it reform isn’t good enough.

thatsafactjack on August 14, 2012 at 2:40 PM

or help the democrats….

harlekwin15 on August 14, 2012 at 2:37 PM

He has been doing his “Bless his heart” best to do that for months now… I think he deserves one of those little plastic “I showed up” trophies, don’t you?

SWalker on August 14, 2012 at 2:41 PM

The positions change, but the demagoguery remains the same.

And this, to me, seems to be the depressing reality of politics now-a-days.

Paul Ryan’s budget increases spending every year (except ’13 and ’14..wooooo). This is after the 800 billion stimuls got worked into the budget in ’09.

In other words, this “hyper-extremist” budget doesn’t even begin to address the fiscal crisis. We can’t promise jobs and economic recovery when government will continue to siphon all of the growth potential from the private sector. We will only see another burgeoning middle-class when the lion’s share of profit stays with its citizens, and that’s not happening.

When the Republican’s big talking point is that it’s actually preserving government spending, you know it’s lost.

hisfrogness on August 14, 2012 at 2:42 PM

Cheer up.

Cheer up.

:)))))))

MontanaMmmm on August 14, 2012 at 2:42 PM

Did he offer Medicare reform to deal with the massive liabilities building up in the system? Why, no….

Actually, he did. It’s called 0bamacare, and it guts Medicare funding.

If that’s not reform, I don’t know what is. /sarc

UltimateBob on August 14, 2012 at 2:44 PM

:D

Slade73 on August 14, 2012 at 2:44 PM

MontanaMmmm on August 14, 2012 at 2:42 PM

Thanks, Montana! :)

thatsafactjack on August 14, 2012 at 2:45 PM

this debate is flummoxing Debbie Wasserman

that cheers me up

Slade73 on August 14, 2012 at 2:46 PM

Because most of us aren’t interested in engaging in an argument about ‘reform’ simply for the sake of saying that something was altered, and thus, calling it ‘reformed’.

We are arguing for MEANINGFUL, sensible, effective, QUALITY, reform.

Reform that lowers the cost of health care insurance AND lowers the cost of health care SERVICES… thus making more AFFORDABLE health care insurance AND health care services available to more people.

We argue that doing this WHILE saving the safety net programs for future generations is imperative.

We argue that making these changes through free market reforms that drive up competition while driving down costs…thus increasing accessibility to everyone…. and lowering the cost to, and involvement of, the federal government is vital.

Simply saying that something has been changed and calling it reform isn’t good enough.

thatsafactjack on August 14, 2012 at 2:40 PM

Fair point. But I don’t think you can deny that he made major changes to Medicare in an effort to make it more sustainable. The entitlement system as a whole is a different matter, but again, Obama and the democrats actually believe that Ocare will make them more sustainable. They did reform Medicare and entitlements. Whether they will work is a wholly different matter.

red_herring on August 14, 2012 at 2:50 PM

He has been doing his “Bless his heart” best to do that for months now… I think he deserves one of those little plastic “I showed up” trophies, don’t you?

SWalker on August 14, 2012 at 2:41 PM

they KNOW they are cornered they are reduced to trying to bray “but BOTH SIDES ARE THE SAME!” well no we’re not the GOP never took 716 billion and rising from a sliding scale to hide the true costs of Obamacare….

We didn’t build that democrats YOU DID!

so yeah SWalker this is it it is time to peel off the union worker maybe and time to speak to EVERY American about this problem and have something almost all can agree on-politicians cannot be trusted not to steal that 25% of your check they call “retirement planning”….

and the other fella is now an official operator on ST”O” and “Operation Good Job”….

harlekwin15 on August 14, 2012 at 2:51 PM

shut up red_herring

Slade73 on August 14, 2012 at 2:53 PM

Fair point. But I don’t think you can deny that he made major changes to Medicare in an effort to make it more sustainable. The entitlement system as a whole is a different matter, but again, Obama and the democrats actually believe that Ocare will make them more sustainable. They did reform Medicare and entitlements. Whether they will work is a wholly different matter.

red_herring on August 14, 2012 at 2:50 PM

Taking 716 Billion from funding for future liabilities in a program that is funded by involuntary withholding to fund a new program that further penalizes and coerces Americans into enriching private businesses in a mad dash effort to HIDE the true cost of Obamacare is theft plain and simple.

Ogabe has entwined the two programs to the point Medicare a program all have paid into their whole working lives is a defacto piggybank for GoofwadCare, you want to make the argument that magical “potential future savings” is worth putting the current and near future coverage of the people who were taxed at 25% of their wage is a good idea YOU TRY TO MAKE THAT SALE.

My Reply is why Obarka is terrified and it shows…

in 1967 democrats said by 1990 Medicare would cost 9 billion, the cost was 63 billion…..

what happened to “savings exerted by government control of Senior care”?

Yeah exactly….everyone knows politicians broke the two main programs but hey RH trust him “I figured it out THIS TIME IT WILL WORK!”

Obama took a stupid move by politicians leaving IOU in Medicare and Social Security and made it a matter of course to shift funds from an already damaged piggybank.

My ground is solid sooner or later you lose…

you may eke this one out but people my age and lower ALREADY hate SS and medicare….just wait until the tax penalties from Ocare hit….

if you guys are having your marxist revolution and eke out a win you better get to work because the pushback to your idiocy will flatten your power for 12-20 years when EVERYONE is HURT BY YOUR FRAUD.

harlekwin15 on August 14, 2012 at 2:58 PM

shut up red_herring

Slade73 on August 14, 2012 at 2:53 PM

No slade let him jaw.

he is either a talking points Axelbot or he is a deluded and brainwashed moonbat or a borderline commie….

I will happily show why they lost this fight to all 3…..and exhibits a-z are the newsies and their own candidates’ panic….

they are so scared they are reduced to pretending Mitt is a slaver now….

so keep firing RH your coalition will die.

harlekwin15 on August 14, 2012 at 3:00 PM

go ahead, red_herring. Truth Team it up.

I might only remind you that Paul Ryan is invincible now, and dreamy.

Slade73 on August 14, 2012 at 3:04 PM

red_herring on August 14, 2012 at 2:50 PM

I absolutely can argue that he did NOT make those changes to ‘make Medicare more sustainable’.

Obama’s plan from start to finish was to put an end to Medicare and implement a single payer system. Even his own people admit this to be the case and hailed Obamacare as ‘as first step toward single payer’.

IF you don’t understand that, you are poorly informed. If you do understand that, and trying to argue the point anyway, you’re simply trying to harangue people with pointless argument.

In any case, just keep walking.

thatsafactjack on August 14, 2012 at 3:04 PM

Tell me this.

How is Mitt supposed to win when he is out on the trail with his Plan.

Ryan is out on the trail with his plan that is different.

Do we have a choice to vote for Ryan or Romney?

Am I missing something?

Clip after clip Romney people saying their plan was not Ryans plan but they were also touting Ryans plan.

Talk about a mixed message. What am I supposed to take from this? Is Romney trying to confuse Americans?

I have never seen such a disaster of a campaign in my life.

Steveangell on August 14, 2012 at 3:06 PM

Slade73 on August 14, 2012 at 2:53 PM

No slade let him jaw.

he is either a talking points Axelbot or he is a deluded and brainwashed moonbat or a borderline commie….

I will happily show why they lost this fight to all 3…..and exhibits a-z are the newsies and their own candidates’ panic….

they are so scared they are reduced to pretending Mitt is a slaver now….

so keep firing RH your coalition will die.

harlekwin15 on August 14, 2012 at 3:00 PM

More likely a angry choomed out Ronulan furiously venting his angst from his mother’s basement that his messiah Herr Doktor was so roundly rejected by the majority of “Conservative” in America.

SWalker on August 14, 2012 at 3:07 PM

Am I missing something?

Steveangell on August 14, 2012 at 3:06 PM

Yes… About 100mg of Clozapine…

SWalker on August 14, 2012 at 3:09 PM

CBO ups the cost of ObamaTax every other day now.

Slade73 on August 14, 2012 at 3:09 PM

The democRATS will never and I mean never vote for any kind of a reform on SS and Medicare.
Ryans plan gives younger people a chance to GET THE MONEY (Vouchers)and buy their own healthcare or stay on Medicare which GOV.doles out.
Bushs plan was to allow younger people to control their own payments to SS under their own name, good plan.
Now here’s the kicker with these plans THE DEMS. WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO GET THEIR STICKY FINGERS ON THESE FUNDS THAT NOW BELONG TO THE TAXPAYER.
Don’t forget it was the DEMS, either Kennedy or Johnson that took the SS trustfund and made it part of the General Fund to be spend on any thing. Giving the trustfund worthless IOUs
A very simple explaination.

concernedsenior on August 14, 2012 at 3:11 PM

57% want OTax repealed

I’d say we have a chance to win

Slade73 on August 14, 2012 at 3:11 PM

Romney/Ryan ad on how Medicare
was ripped off to pay for Obamacare

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4gPvToKTWU&feature=youtube_gdata_player

redguy on August 14, 2012 at 3:12 PM

Cheer up.

Cheer up.

:)))))))

MontanaMmmm on August 14, 2012 at 2:42 PM

One more for the road…Cheers!

MontanaMmmm on August 14, 2012 at 3:14 PM

Those words spoken by the one expired when he left the room.

tommer74 on August 14, 2012 at 3:15 PM

redguy on August 14, 2012 at 3:12 PM

:)

MontanaMmmm on August 14, 2012 at 3:15 PM

Yes… About 100mg of Clozapine…

SWalker on August 14, 2012 at 3:09 PM

I am serious. Do not know how many times it was said Ryan also cuts that 711 billion. Response was Mitt has a different plan.

Well why are they not united on one plan?

It is probably not to late for Mitt to actually produce a solid plan that could win this election. But so far he has been all over the place. If he has a way to save entitlements he should come out with it. The baby boomers understand that they will never see Social Security unless this is fixed. Those younger never expect to see a penny of Social Security.

Obamas plan is Universal Care like in England and the EU. Cradle to grave entitlements. He has no way to pay for it.

What is Romneys Plan? I simply have no idea.

So I am left with this.

Obama will bankrupt America.

Romney will bankrupt America.

Because there is no plan by either that will save it.

Steveangell on August 14, 2012 at 3:16 PM

Maybe I missed it? How does 700+ billion move from one program to the other without a House vote?

wolly4321 on August 14, 2012 at 3:18 PM

CBO ups the cost of ObamaTax every other day now.

Slade73 on August 14, 2012 at 3:09 PM

That is because it is a trap that Kos and friends were told is a trap to make single payer inevitable….which America does not want.

We win, if the donks eke out a win they better enjoy it because they broke faith.

harlekwin15 on August 14, 2012 at 3:18 PM

So I am left with this.

Obama will bankrupt America.

Romney will bankrupt America.

Because there is no plan by either that will save it.

Steveangell on August 14, 2012 at 3:16 PM

So therefore we need to vote for Obama so we can impeach him, right? Isn’t that your argument?

changer1701 on August 14, 2012 at 3:20 PM

Maybe I missed it? How does 700+ billion move from one program to the other without a House vote?

wolly4321 on August 14, 2012 at 3:18 PM

Obama Care vote. Both houses passed it.

Steveangell on August 14, 2012 at 3:20 PM

Maybe I missed it? How does 700+ billion move from one program to the other without a House vote?

wolly4321 on August 14, 2012 at 3:18 PM

Granny McRictus and Harry reid and Obama baked it into the cake binding future Congressional sessions….

they changed Medicare’s rules

THAT is why they are freaking out they got cute with their projections….

let me put it another way…..

NOBODY KNOWS HOW MUCH OBAMA STOLE BECAUSE IT IS A SLIDING NUMBER

Oh and he wants to add 20 million more uninsured to his new system with amnesty which will rob Medicare even more….

yeah “change”….

come on Bark let’s have this chat correct us.

harlekwin15 on August 14, 2012 at 3:20 PM

So therefore we need to vote for Obama so we can impeach him, right? Isn’t that your argument?

changer1701 on August 14, 2012 at 3:20 PM

Yes we need to impeach Obama.

So far the Republicans have wimped out and done almost nothing to try to admonish this wana be Dictator. I figure they will have to in a second term.

But Romney sure has given me no reason to vote for him. Now he says he is not for the Ryan Plan. So we have a VP with a different plan than the President. Insane. They should have hashed this out before the announcement.

Steveangell on August 14, 2012 at 3:24 PM

57% want OTax repealed

I’d say we have a chance to win

Slade73 on August 14, 2012 at 3:11 PM

Exactly and that number will ONLY go up.

Bark intoduced another retarded captive pool to the system only he enslaved us to private companies this time under penalty of tax.

Why do you think I had a laugh for about 6 hours when I figured out Romney’s angle?

BOOM you know those disaffected kids you sold the idea you gave FREE care to?

Yeah Democrats I am gonna have them to when they have to start paying in in this economy or suffer YOU taxing ‘em…..

These college kids working in 20,000 a year jobs are gonna be angry at the penalty and I am gonna laugh my butt off at watching you dance about how forcing a 23 year old kid to carry insurance so your aids patient buddies can get their pills cheaper was “brilliant”….

BOOM!

harlekwin15 on August 14, 2012 at 3:26 PM

Barry HAS A PLAN. It’s right here “…………………”

GarandFan on August 14, 2012 at 3:27 PM

Obama Care vote. Both houses passed it.

Steveangell on August 14, 2012 at 3:20 PM

R e c o n c i l i a t i o n

Slade73 on August 14, 2012 at 3:28 PM

R e c o n c i l i a t i o n

Slade73 on August 14, 2012 at 3:28 PM

but remember we need a Constitutional convention to end it or so they say…

they KNOW this will flip the nation if we get the word out it is why Dr. Hope has CHANGED to Chairman Soetoro in his rhetoric

harlekwin15 on August 14, 2012 at 3:31 PM

So therefore we need to vote for Obama so we can impeach him, right? Isn’t that your argument?

changer1701 on August 14, 2012 at 3:20 PM

Yep that one is insane.

tom daschle concerned on August 14, 2012 at 3:34 PM

Soetoro is a legal Connecticut resident

full disclosure

Slade73 on August 14, 2012 at 3:37 PM

R e c o n c i l i a t i o n

Slade73 on August 14, 2012 at 3:28 PM

That was part 2.

In part 1 the House passed the exact same bill the Senate passed.

Then the Senate passed the Reconciliation as well.

Was unconstitutional but hey the Supreme Court of losers could care less what the Constitutions says. Roberts even thinks that a tax is not a tax when it makes Obama Care law. He is a joke.

Steveangell on August 14, 2012 at 3:38 PM

Soetoro is a legal Connecticut resident

full disclosure

Slade73 on August 14, 2012 at 3:37 PM

Full disclosure would be actually stating the fact.

Barry Soetero is an illegal immigrant in America posing under the Muslim name Barack Hussine Obama Jr. He is a citizen of Indonesia.

But the Supreme Court of losers will never do anything about it. We have no real law in America. It changes based on your bank account and political friends.

Steveangell on August 14, 2012 at 3:41 PM

Hey, Dems, Why Don’t You Tell Us How You Really Feel About Paul Ryan?

http://predicthistunpredictpast.blogspot.com/2012/08/hey-dems-why-dont-you-tell-us-how-you.html

M2RB: KISS, live at Rock Am Ring 2010

Resist We Much on August 14, 2012 at 3:48 PM

First… there is only ONE HOUSE in our legislature ( congress). That is the HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES.

We have a BICAMERAL legislative branch. Bicameral means two chambers.
NOT two ‘houses’.

When the Obamacare vote was forced through, in the dead of night on Christmas Eve, the measure had been passed in the Senate and sent to the HOUSE of REPRESENTATIVES for a vote.

The reason that the legislation passed was because THE DEMOCRATS HAD A MAJORITY IN THE SENATE AND IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES.

Obamacare only got one Republican vote. Total.

The Democrats used RECONCILIATION in the Senate to pass Obamacare, thus shattering the BYRD RULE regarding the use of reconciliation for anything other than tax and budgetary matters.

In the House of Representatives, Pelosi dredged up every arcane and nefarious tactic she could to make sure that the Democrats voted lock-step for Obamacare. The “Pro life Democrats’ were hold outs. Many of the Blue Dogs were hold outs. She twisted arms to the point of breaking to force them to vote with the majority.

She even threatened to use ‘The Slaughter Solution’ named for Representative Louise Slaughter, whereby a bill was DEEMED as passed, without a vote of the entire chamber, if the majority ( in this case and at that time, the Democrats) decided that it was passed. This tactic was also known as ‘Deem and Pass’. The GOP referred to it as “DEMON PASS”.

The public outcry was so strong that Pelosi lost her nerve and didn’t use it. Instead, she leaned on the ‘Pro life Democrats’ and the ‘Blue Dog Democrats’ until they caved and voted with the majority. It was said you could hear their arms breaking throughout D.C.

In the 2010 elections, the Blue Dog Democrats became extinct. The “Pro life Democrats” had been proven to have never existed in the first place and now we hear nothing of them at all. Moderate Democrats also took a beating. The GOP took a historic number of House seats. Over 60, and with them, the majority in the House of Representatives.

thatsafactjack on August 14, 2012 at 3:53 PM

Looks like Choom Man is doing a “How-To” on finishing off a roach without burning your fingers in the video screen shot. Awesome………

JohnnyMojo on August 14, 2012 at 4:13 PM

thatsafactjack on August 14, 2012 at 3:53 PM

Good sumation but you are missing a few facts.

It is common to say both houses even though you are right one is the Senate one is the House.

The Senate took a different bill and completely changed it into the ACA bill. They passed it but then Scott Brown won. Plan had been for the House to pass a bill then combine the two but that would no longer work.

Poloski came up with the idea to Deem it having passed and pass a bill to get it done. But gave up on that plan.

She then did as you said sort of. She got the House to pass the Senate bill in total no changes. Thus ACA became law but the House still wanted their changes so they abused reconcillation and passed a bill under that which the Senate then passed. Obama Signed two different bills to make ACA the law we now have.

You missed Obamas EO on Abortion which was a farce and as you said led to the last few Bluedog Democrats being voted out.

Steveangell on August 14, 2012 at 5:26 PM

What was Durbin there for?

Hold his binky?

98ZJUSMC on August 14, 2012 at 5:33 PM

Fair point. But I don’t think you can deny that he made major changes to Medicare in an effort to make it more sustainable. The entitlement system as a whole is a different matter, but again, Obama and the democrats actually believe that Ocare will make them more sustainable. They did reform Medicare and entitlements. Whether they will work is a wholly different matter.

red_herring on August 14, 2012 at 2:50 PM

You’ve got that zombie walk down pretty good.

Congrats….

98ZJUSMC on August 14, 2012 at 5:37 PM

Steveangell on August 14, 2012 at 5:26 PM

I posted that summary for YOUR benefit. You’re the one who was saying ‘both houses’ and suggesting that the GOP had something to do with passing Obamacare.

You really are bereft.

thatsafactjack on August 14, 2012 at 9:40 PM