Energy on the campaign trail: Romney talks coal, Obama chases wind

posted at 8:41 pm on August 14, 2012 by Erika Johnsen

President Obama has been making a concentrated swing through Iowa the past couple of days, and one of his biggest talking points while touring the undecided state has been about extending wind energy tax credits.

“My opponent and I disagree when it comes to homegrown energy like wind,” Obama said Monday in Boone, Iowa. “Wind power is creating new jobs all across Iowa. But Governor Romney says he wants to end the tax credit for wind energy producers.

“America generates more than twice as much electricity from wind than when I took office. That’s right. The wind industry supports about 7,000 jobs right here in Iowa. Without these wind energy tax credits, those jobs are at risk, 37,000 jobs across the country would be at risk.

Yes, overlooking the jobs that the wind industry has also lost in recent years, perhaps it does support 37,000 jobs — but those jobs are in turn supported by the federal government, a.k.a. the taxpayer. That’s why the wind lobby is flipping out so much about extending the production tax credit — wind is dependent on federal assistance for its survival. No idea that is as awesomely efficient and productive as green groups claim wind is should need the persistent lifelines that wind receives — all subsidies are always and necessarily meant to distort free-market signals, which means that they come at the cost of greater prosperity.

Mitt Romney also talked about energy on the campaign trail today, but focused his comments on supporting the coal industry in Ohio.

Talk about the magnificent promise of wind all you want, Mr. President — but the fact of the matter is that wind accounts for barely a fraction of our electricity consumption (and partly because utility companies are so often mandated to use a certain portion of renewable energy these days) while coal continues to provide for just about half of our nation’s electricity needs. You can’t force coal to go away just because it’s politically inconvenient for appealing to your environmental base. Perhaps that’s why the United Mine Workers of America has yet to offer its support for President Obama this time around?

The nation’s largest coal miners union has yet to make an endorsement for the upcoming presidential election after giving President Obama its full and early support four years ago — hinting it may sit out the race.

The UMWA says it will make an endorsement — or not — based on recommendations of its state councils, most of which will hold meetings in the next few weeks. The process likely will conclude by mid-September, said UMWA Communications Director Phil Smith.

The UMWA has a history of backing Democratic presidential candidates, but “it’s certainly an option that there could be no endorsement” this year, the spokesman said.


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Romney talks coal. Obama breaks wind.

Gingotts on August 14, 2012 at 8:43 PM

Z’OMG!! There’s a guy behind Romney (on our right) in blackface!!!!!

SouthernGent on August 14, 2012 at 8:44 PM

Wind or ethanol, Iowa seems to feel entitled to have their hands in our pockets.

ThePrez on August 14, 2012 at 8:44 PM

Obama breaks wind

…that S O B is pharting out of both ends!

KOOLAID2 on August 14, 2012 at 8:45 PM

Romney talks coal. Obama breaks wind.

Gingotts on August 14, 2012 at 8:43 PM

..let’s stop this thread right here. No topping this!

The War Planner on August 14, 2012 at 8:45 PM

“America generates more than twice as much electricity from wind than when I took office.

Or as I like to put it, “Enough power to run an air mattress pump.”

Bishop on August 14, 2012 at 8:46 PM

Romney talks coal. Obama breaks wind.

Gingotts on August 14, 2012 at 8:43 PM

You stole my line, man!

CherryBombsBigBrownBeaver on August 14, 2012 at 8:48 PM

Romney talks coal.

Obama talks dog. (twice today)

He must be hungry

aquaviva on August 14, 2012 at 8:48 PM

“America generates more than twice as much electricity from wind than when I took office.

Coming from a BlowHard..
I am not surprised.

Electrongod on August 14, 2012 at 8:49 PM

Am I asking too much for Team R&R to remind voters that it takes a 350 pound battery to move an electric car the same distance as a 6 pound gallon of gasoline? And that it would take a solar farm the size of Arizona to keep the lights on in NYC?

The Count on August 14, 2012 at 8:51 PM

Romney talks coal. Obama breaks wind.

Gingotts on August 14, 2012 at 8:43 PM

..let’s stop this thread right here. No topping this!

The War Planner on August 14, 2012 at 8:45 PM

OBAMA: “Hey, America! Pull my finger!”

turfmann on August 14, 2012 at 8:51 PM

Super Mitt shoulda ran down the Solyndra list, one by one. Your average liberal dem Joe on the street DOES NOT KNOW what the green energy fail/ boondoggle is all about.

They need to be educated on this crony obamaloney crap is all about, since the media refuses to report on it.

FlaMurph on August 14, 2012 at 8:51 PM

I learned long ago that whenever Dear Leader talks about energy, he’s just using misdirection for some kind of scam where billions of dollars are being siphoned off by his overlords.

Same for “infrastructure”.

Small towns and certain sparsely-populated counties could, I believe, make a go of wind and solar. Local business people might find the idea of cheaper energy an attractive investment. Of course, they’d have to have the good sense not to cut themselves off from the regular power grid.

Dr. ZhivBlago on August 14, 2012 at 8:52 PM

‘Obama chases wind’. Is that the same thing as ‘Obama sniffs his own farts’?

/giving him the same level of respect he’s given this nation, the marxist POS.

rayra on August 14, 2012 at 8:52 PM

When do we start erecting those windmills off Hyannisport, a place considered perfect to generate such energy.

Bishop on August 14, 2012 at 8:53 PM

“America generates more than twice as much electricity from wind than when I took office. That’s right…..”

So, whats that make it 2kw now? Failed ideology propping up not ready for primetime technology…ugh.

NY Conservative on August 14, 2012 at 8:53 PM

Wind or ethanol, Iowa seems to feel entitled to have their hands in our pockets.

ThePrez on August 14, 2012 at 8:44 PM

Plus they always HAVE to be first for primaries. Just how many electoral votes do they have anyway?

Night Owl on August 14, 2012 at 8:53 PM

Am I asking too much for Team R&R to remind voters that it takes a 350 pound battery to move an electric car the same distance as a 6 pound gallon of gasoline? And that it would take a solar farm the size of Arizona to keep the lights on in NYC?

The Count on August 14, 2012 at 8:51 PM

And that the Good Lord Almighty has seen fit to concentrate the net proceeds of ancient photosynthesis into a magical fluid called crude oil, and a magical gas called natural gas and a magical rock called coal to propel our society in the modern era.

Obama, go back to your cave.

turfmann on August 14, 2012 at 8:55 PM

Wind and solar are just ways for Obama to pay off campaign contributors. As to supplying the energy needs of America, they, like Obama himself, are just a joke.

VorDaj on August 14, 2012 at 8:55 PM

Wind or ethanol, Iowa seems to feel entitled to have their hands in our pockets.

ThePrez on August 14, 2012 at 8:44 PM

Indeed. This state is sucking on the taxpayer teat as much as any.

Bitter Clinger on August 14, 2012 at 8:55 PM

There will not be a new coal fired power plant built in the US in our lifetime. The largest utilities in the US have exactly zero new plants scheduled in the next decade. Fracking has caused natural gas to be cheap and abundant. The utilities love the cheap and clean power source. It’s a win-win-win for consumers, power producers, and the environment. Anybody talking about coal is a ignorant tool pandering for the coal industry. It no longer makes economic and environmental sense to consider coal. The free market is a beautiful thing.

ZippyZ on August 14, 2012 at 8:56 PM

The UMWA has a history of backing Democratic presidential candidates, but “it’s certainly an option that there could be no endorsement” this year, the spokesman said.

Funny how they won’t even consider backing the ticket that actually supports their own industry.

changer1701 on August 14, 2012 at 8:57 PM

Oblowhard gasbag breaks wind. That pretty much sums it up for the next 84 days.

stukinIL4now on August 14, 2012 at 8:57 PM

I know some coal miners here in Indiana..and they are not fans of the Obama administration. Not even a little bit.

Terrye on August 14, 2012 at 8:58 PM

Ohio Mitt crowd pic

YOWZA

gophergirl on August 14, 2012 at 8:58 PM

It no longer makes economic and environmental sense to consider coal. The free market is a beautiful thing.

ZippyZ on August 14, 2012 at 8:56 PM

It does when you ship it to China.

cozmo on August 14, 2012 at 8:59 PM

Natural gas plants will be the norm.However it will not be because the federal government picks winners by subsidising them.

gerrym51 on August 14, 2012 at 9:00 PM

Obama promotes the wanton destruction of endangered birds!

They call the wind Mortician.

profitsbeard on August 14, 2012 at 9:00 PM

***ALERT..Oh Sh*T****

8:41 p.m. Tuesday, August 14, 2012
McMahon beats Shays in Conn. Senate GOP primary
************************************************

http://www.ajc.com/news/nation-world/mcmahon-beats-shays-in-1499641.html

canopfor on August 14, 2012 at 9:00 PM

There will not be a new coal fired power plant built in the US in our lifetime. The largest utilities in the US have exactly zero new plants scheduled in the next decade. Fracking has caused natural gas to be cheap and abundant. The utilities love the cheap and clean power source. It’s a win-win-win for consumers, power producers, and the environment. Anybody talking about coal is a ignorant tool pandering for the coal industry. It no longer makes economic and environmental sense to consider coal. The free market is a beautiful thing.

ZippyZ on August 14, 2012 at 8:56 PM

Yet, strangely, Obama focuses on wind and algae and solar. Plus his EPA is trying to stop fracking in PA. Go figure.

Night Owl on August 14, 2012 at 9:00 PM

Don’t know much about history
Don’t know much about producing energy
Don’t know much about an economics book
Don’t know much about the constitutional law I took
But I do know that I would love imposing Marxism on you
And I know that if you would just love Lenin too
What a wonderful socialist country this would be

La ta ta ta ta ta ta (History)
Ooh ooh ooh ooh ooh ooh (Producing energy)
La ta ta ta ta ta ta (Economics book)
Ooh ooh ooh ooh ooh ooh (Constitutional law I took)
But I do know that I would love imposing Marxism on you
And I know that if you would just love Lenin too
What a wonderful socialist country this would be

Cheshire Cat on August 14, 2012 at 9:00 PM

Obama is like a teenager on a $5 trillion shopping spree.

faraway on August 14, 2012 at 9:01 PM

Wind or ethanol, Iowa seems to feel entitled to have their hands in our pockets.

ThePrez on August 14, 2012 at 8:44 PM

Well we do humor them with that absurd “first in the nation” caucus nonsense. All that pandering and pretending to love Iowans gives them an inflated sense of their place in this world. Throw in the farm subsidies and these worthless give-away program and it is small wonder that Obama is doing so much campaigning in Iowa. They are the epitome of a welfare culture.

Happy Nomad on August 14, 2012 at 9:01 PM

What will it take for these “stupid” union heads, to abandon Obama? he promised to break the coal companies by taxing them out of existence, and yet they are not sure who to endorse. That is insanity.

jainphx on August 14, 2012 at 9:03 PM

Yet, strangely, Obama focuses on wind and algae and solar.

Night Owl on August 14, 2012 at 9:00 PM

Algae as an energy source is my favorite, because we would still have the world’s largest resources. It’s the DC swamp. Drain that, and we’re in high cotton. Oh, that was Pelosi’s promise, wasn’t it!

Cody1991 on August 14, 2012 at 9:06 PM

Ohio Mitt crowd pic

YOWZA

gophergirl on August 14, 2012 at 8:58 PM

Holy cow!

JPeterman on August 14, 2012 at 9:07 PM

Check out this photo from Ohio/coal country.

BTW, when Obama tried to mock Romney today in Iowas for saying, “You can’t put a windmill on a car” my reaction was, “Yes that’s true! And your point is?” I have a feeling I wasn’t the only one who had a “Huh?” reaction to the Great Communicator.

Buy Danish on August 14, 2012 at 9:08 PM

Oops, I see Gopher Girl beat me to it. That photo is officially viral:)

Buy Danish on August 14, 2012 at 9:09 PM

“Subsidies” is a bad word according to liberals, except when it suits their purposes.

Too bad we can’t have the greenies mandate that ALL their energy needs come from wind and solar. We’ll see how long they survive.

GarandFan on August 14, 2012 at 9:10 PM

Continued union support of Democrats is just plain stupid. How many examples of hostility toward blue collar industrial jobs do these guys need before they get it that the environmental lobby, their enemies, are bigger contributors than they are?

The effete, elitist left HATE blue collar industry and workers.

Charlemagne on August 14, 2012 at 9:14 PM

Obama SCREWED the Coal Industry,me thinks,they won’t get burn’t
a second time!!!

canopfor on August 14, 2012 at 9:15 PM

Make that: “America loses twice as much money generating electricity from wind than when I took office.”

paul1149 on August 14, 2012 at 9:15 PM

Oops, I see Gopher Girl beat me to it. That photo is officially viral:)

Buy Danish on August 14, 2012 at 9:09 PM

I love that twitter feed. He has the best pictures and you can count on them not to be edited in anyway.

Glad it’s gone viral – it should.

gophergirl on August 14, 2012 at 9:15 PM

Energy on the campaign trail: Romney talks coal, Obama chases wind

Obama Chases Wind… Or breaks Wind…

SWalker on August 14, 2012 at 9:16 PM

Perhaps a petty issue, but when I hear someone say “The fact of the matter is…” almost every time what follows is an opinion, not a fact. Why is that? The same goes for those in print. This expression is massively misused. If you are going to give a fact, just say the fact. Prefacing it with the above just seems like a conditional that is both unnecessary and wordy.

Weebork on August 14, 2012 at 9:16 PM

Energy on the campaign trail: Romney talks coal, Obama chases wind

With that, POTUS takes the phrase Full of Hot Air to a whole new level.

rukiddingme on August 14, 2012 at 9:17 PM

SWalker on August 14, 2012 at 9:16 PM

Drats… Should have read the very first comment before posting…

SWalker on August 14, 2012 at 9:18 PM

Ohio Mitt crowd pic

YOWZA

gophergirl on August 14, 2012 at 8:58 PM

gophergirl:

Excellent Intell(Image)Grab,that is WOW!T

The Rallys aren’t charged,they are Super-Charged!:)

canopfor on August 14, 2012 at 9:18 PM

I’m going out on a limb here and saying……….

The coal mining industry will cost Obama the states of Ohio, Virginia and West Virginia. In fact, Pennsylvania itself could flip over it.

Bitter clingers love their coal.

PappyD61 on August 14, 2012 at 9:18 PM

Well we do humor them with that absurd “first in the nation” caucus nonsense. All that pandering and pretending to love Iowans gives them an inflated sense of their place in this world. Throw in the farm subsidies and these worthless give-away program and it is small wonder that Obama is doing so much campaigning in Iowa. They are the epitome of a welfare culture.

Happy Nomad on August 14, 2012 at 9:01 PM

The only reason ethanol even exists is for the outlandish corn subsidy that mostly Iowa benefits from (and Archer Daniels Midland, of course). It is certainly not for scientific or environmental reasons, and the only reason that Iowa so benefits is because of the caucus nonsense to which you referred.

If the Republicans were smart, yep I’m a dreamer, they would declare once and for all complete non-participation in the Iowa caucuses. The caucuses are an anachronism, perfect for when the nation was mostly rural and farming, completely out of step today.

That said, I got no brief against Iowa, actually a pretty state with great folks, but I’m so tired of Iowa and New Hampshire having so much say in the primaries.

TXUS on August 14, 2012 at 9:20 PM

MeanWhile…….TEAM BLUE states………

***************** UN-HINGED ***************************

Obama campaign: Romney seemed ‘unhinged’
8/14/12 8:58 PM EDT
*********************

http://www.politico.com/politico44/2012/08/obama-campaign-romney-seemed-unhinged-132138.html

canopfor on August 14, 2012 at 9:20 PM

Excellent Intell(Image)Grab,that is WOW!T

The Rallys aren’t charged,they are Super-Charged!:)

canopfor on August 14, 2012 at 9:18 PM

Can you find the link to the Rudy interview on CNBC? Supposedly he just ate Biden for dinner.

gophergirl on August 14, 2012 at 9:20 PM

Glad it’s gone viral – it should.

gophergirl on August 14, 2012 at 9:15 PM

I can see slow Joe retweeting it, saying: “Those eeeeevil people want to put people in chains!”

PS: Sorry I misspelled your name.

Buy Danish on August 14, 2012 at 9:21 PM

Energy on the campaign trail: Romney talks coal, Obama chases wind
===================================================================

And the Sh*t Winds are calling Hopey,

the Sh*t Winds are stirring!!
(sarc).

canopfor on August 14, 2012 at 9:22 PM

Wind: If you break it, you own it.

faraway on August 14, 2012 at 9:23 PM

PS: Sorry I misspelled your name.

Buy Danish on August 14, 2012 at 9:21 PM

You did? As you can tell it really bothered me a lot. So much so I didn’t even notice it.

gophergirl on August 14, 2012 at 9:25 PM

gophergirl on August 14, 2012 at 9:25 PM

I put a space between gopher and girl and capitalized the Gs.

Buy Danish on August 14, 2012 at 9:27 PM

andddddd, here’s another photo. What a heartless meanie that Mitt Romney is!

Buy Danish on August 14, 2012 at 9:29 PM

andddddd, here’s another photo. What a heartless meanie that Mitt Romney is!

Buy Danish on August 14, 2012 at 9:29 PM

Oh that made me tear up.

gophergirl on August 14, 2012 at 9:31 PM

andddddd, here’s another photo. What a heartless meanie that Mitt Romney is!

Buy Danish on August 14, 2012 at 9:29 PM

Wow. That is a wonderful photo!

Cody1991 on August 14, 2012 at 9:34 PM

Romney slams Obama in tough new speech
By Emily Goodin and Justin Sink – 08/14/12 08:16 PM ET
Tweet

Mitt Romney used a tough new campaign speech to personally blast the Obama campaign on Tuesday, saying comments earlier in the day from Vice President Biden are “what an angry and desperate Presidency looks like.”

“Mr. President, take your campaign of division and anger and hate back to Chicago,” Romney said while campaigning in Ohio.

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/243697-romney-comes-out-swinging-against-obama-in-tough-new-speech

Damned right!!

Must find the video.

Cody1991 on August 14, 2012 at 9:37 PM

I’m going out on a limb here and saying……….

The coal mining industry will cost Obama the states of Ohio, Virginia and West Virginia. In fact, Pennsylvania itself could flip over it.

Bitter clingers love their coal.

PappyD61 on August 14, 2012 at 9:18 PM

In my part of PA (southwestern), Obama is causing five coal fired power plants to close within the year. The contracts for 2015 are out and electricity rates are going to be eight times higher than they are now. My average bill – $50.00 will go to $400.00. So, yeah, he could lose PA.

Night Owl on August 14, 2012 at 9:40 PM

PappyD61 on August 14, 2012 at 9:18 PM

And Indiana. After the summer we have had, our electric rates are going up because of coal plant closures. Don’t know what will happen next summer.

esr1951 on August 14, 2012 at 9:42 PM

Oh that made me tear up.

gophergirl on August 14, 2012 at 9:31 PM

gophergirl:

I have tried 4 times to post the linky
on(Giuliani Fears Biden Doesn’t Have ‘Mental Capacity’ to Be President)!:)

canopfor on August 14, 2012 at 9:49 PM

I have tried 4 times to post the linky
on(Giuliani Fears Biden Doesn’t Have ‘Mental Capacity’ to Be President)!:)

canopfor on August 14, 2012 at 9:49 PM

Thanks for trying

gophergirl on August 14, 2012 at 9:55 PM

Obama is touting “home grown wind”??? Under your feet, dear lad are plenty of natural resources just begging to be used to power us up, coal being just one of them.

Obama, I have to say that when it come to wind, you DID blow that.

onlineanalyst on August 14, 2012 at 9:57 PM

canopfor on August 14, 2012 at 9:49 PM

Thanks for trying

gophergirl on August 14, 2012 at 9:55 PM

gophergirl:Google search,go two down,its there:)
================================================

http://www.google.ca/#hl=en&output=search&sclient=psy-ab&q=Rudy+interview+on+CNBC%3F+&oq=Rudy+interview+on+CNBC%3F+&gs_l=hp.12…10251.10251.1.12063.1.1.0.0.0.0.553.553.5-1.1.0…0.0…1c.V2qx4D2MvXw&psj=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&fp=8c67ee93f45e31b8&biw=1440&bih=781

canopfor on August 14, 2012 at 10:01 PM

I have tried 4 times to post the linky…

canopfor on August 14, 2012 at 9:49 PM

I’m thinkin’ QOTD material. Biden had a few good ones today.

Instead of google, Drudge has had the link for a while.

cozmo on August 14, 2012 at 10:04 PM

obama is a gasbag so why wouldn’t he talk about something he knows.

crosshugger on August 14, 2012 at 10:21 PM

Obama created wind.

Schadenfreude on August 14, 2012 at 11:26 PM

(and partly because utility companies are so often mandated to use a certain portion of renewable energy these days)

KCP&L (Kansas City Power & Light) just informed us that we will be receiving a 13% rate increase on Jan 1, 2013, because of “…state & federal renewable energy & emissions control mandates.”
http://www.kcpl.com/about/pr/KS_2012_Rate_request.pdf

This is on top of rate increases of 4%-14% increases in 4 of the last 6 yrs:
http://www.kcpl.com/about/historytable.html

Ouch, it stings – but at least we’re saving the earth! Yeah!

mdenis39 on August 15, 2012 at 12:26 AM

OK, here is where Romney missed today. Obama is claiming he is “saving” 37,000 Wind jobs. But how many coal related jobs have been lost because of his suffocating EPA and other regulation mandates? Romney, you need to get the number and compare it to the 37,000 taxpayer subsidized jobs “saved”.

karenhasfreedom on August 15, 2012 at 3:17 AM

@gophergirl on August 14, 2012 at 9:20 PM

http://www.nationalreview.com/media/video/314019

A bit late maybe…but a great vid

OldWeaselKeeper on August 15, 2012 at 6:37 AM

Boy, Ms Johnsen, you really botched your headline lede. You should have led with: “Energy on the Campaign Trail, Romney talks coal, Obama passes wind.”

Old Country Boy on August 15, 2012 at 8:04 AM

Unlike their members, the UMWA are a bunch of cowards.

Proof that many of these union organizations are Democrat Party front organizations fed with forced donations from members.

This President and his administrations have devastated the coal industry costing it jobs and mandating less coal usage. That is against the interest of the members, something the union is supposed to represent, no matter how you slice it.

Republicans and Mr. Romney have done nothing but support the industry and its members, yet we have tepid support from the union as they perhaps hold out for some type of concession from Democrats? Really? Like what- restoring all the jobs lost, reversing environmental and green mandates that have stomped on the industry.

Talk about a lack of principles and courage.

Marcus Traianus on August 15, 2012 at 8:28 AM

Zippy – I would agree with you except that the pres is forcing the end of coal and we have been through these natural gas swings before – and then ended up with a bunch of nat gas plants that are expensive. I’m all for allowing the technology go where it wants. But there is a place for coal. And once the EPA kills coal, they will go after nat gas. Make the EPA a department within the interior dept – no cabinet head, and get them out of the energy regulation business completely. If their environmental concerns touch energy production in any way, they cannot rule on it. Period.

Zomcon JEM on August 15, 2012 at 9:14 AM

Coal is king. Five hundred years worth and you can’t figure a better way to burn it or reprocess it, BULLS___!
UMWA, friggin wake up, Dicky Trumka will kill your families faster than a mine collapse.

nimrod on August 15, 2012 at 9:26 AM

and when the windmills are not turning they are siphoning electricity generated by coal to keep them viable.
the dam things take electricity, and can only generate in narrow parameters.

dmacleo on August 15, 2012 at 9:30 AM

Coal production in thousand tons by year

2000 1,073,612.00
2001 1,127,689.00
2002 1,094,283.00
2003 1,071,753.00
2004 1,112,099.00
2005 1,131,498.00
2006 1,162,750.00
2007 1,146,635.00
2008 1,171,809.00
2009 1,074,923.00
2010 1,085,281.00

The United States exported 107 million short tons of coal last year, up 31 percent from 2010 and the most since 1991, according to EIA. U.S. exports of steam coal, used mainly to fuel power plants, were an estimated 37 million short tons in 2011—the highest since 2008. Metallurgical coal exports reached record levels of roughly 70 million short tons.

Forcing coal to go away? Idiocy.

plewis on August 15, 2012 at 9:39 AM