Chris Matthews on Ryan: Hey, this guy could be worse than Dan Quayle

posted at 9:21 pm on August 14, 2012 by Allahpundit

Via Newsbusters, concern-trolling so lazy that it doesn’t make sense even on its own terms. His point, per this morning’s Politico piece on “the Republican Party’s Bedwetter Caucus,” is that Ryan could be poison for the GOP. Okay, then … why cite Quayle? Bush 41 won in a landslide, remember? When push came to shove, for all the jokes made about him, Quayle wasn’t a drag on the ticket. For that matter, why cite Tom Eagleton? How many states would McGovern have lost if the Eagleton thing had never happened? 48 instead of 49? If anything, he and Quayle stand for the proposition that a controversial VP pick just doesn’t matter much to the nominee’s chances.

Beyond that, you can practically see the lightbulb over his head go off as he tries to jumpstart a narrative that choosing Ryan undercuts Romney’s business record specifically. What kind of CEO, after all, would bet his business on such a risky investment? Possible answer: A CEO whose “business” was already struggling and who spotted a chance for a high reward in return for assuming a greater-than-anticipated risk. Ask yourself, how confident would you have felt about Romney’s chances if he had gone the safe route and chosen Pawlenty or Portman? Ryan’s a better retail politician than either of them and he brings a sense of purpose to the ticket that would have been utterly lacking otherwise. Without him, the entire remainder of the campaign would have been an exercise in killing time until election day and then hoping there are enough “anybody but Obama” votes floating around out there to deliver victory. That doesn’t feel like a winning dynamic. Ryan brings huge liabilities but huge assets too, and greatly boosts Romney’s chances of having a meaningful presidency. Why not roll the dice?

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PatriotGal2257 on August 14, 2012 at 10:41 PM

So completely un-American.
Get damned mad, people.

Nicely said PatriotGal2257, by virtue of Buy Danish.

None of these punks will last a minute. Don’t give up.

People are awakening. Remind them of the facts.

2010 was a blip.

Get out there and turn some ears, everywhere you go.
Do so, in a pleasant way. persuade them, convince them.

Passionate much, mickytx?
Hell, yes. If INC is here, this is what I mean.

mickytx on August 14, 2012 at 10:59 PM

The tingles on Chrissie’s legs these days are coming from fear-induced pants wetting.

Bruno Strozek on August 14, 2012 at 11:12 PM

Well all the 3 people who watch his show probably agree with Chrissie. So I guess we lost those votes, damn it.

Deanna on August 14, 2012 at 11:17 PM

Hey Chris…..

at least Danny didn’t wear his underwear outside his pants like Joe babe….

you follow me?

No no please at a distance….you smell like cat urine and flop sweat bud.

harlekwin15 on August 14, 2012 at 11:22 PM

A brief report from behind enemy lines:

I work just outside the lion’s den. I’m a high school teacher in south suburban Chicago, in Jesse Jackson’s Jr’s congressional district. At my school/workplace, Phase One is complete. Obama has now officially lost the Math department (which, oddly enough, is my department). English and Arts are still holding, but Science is waffling and Social Studies is beginning to crack (particularly US History and Economics). Will begin Phase Two shortly.

End Transmission.

;-)

JimLennon on August 14, 2012 at 11:37 PM

Do I really care what Tingles has to say?

NO. The whole cadre of MSNBC (now with less MS) crack addled dope heads can go pound sand…

David Block on August 15, 2012 at 12:31 AM

Hey there Chrissy with the warm tingly stream running down your leg. When we wake up after Nov 6th and find out that Romney/Ruan won all 50 states and then they interview you and Obama and Obama says, but I won the other 7 states. I would keep quiet about Quayle.

j bo on August 15, 2012 at 12:45 AM

This!!! And why Romney is an accomplished venture capitalist. While he was not my first or even third choice, his pick of Ryan shows true grit and a smart move, not on the craps table, mind you, but on the chess board.

The race might well have been won this past weekend.

TXUS on August 14, 2012 at 10:04 PM

I agree, and it’s not merely a leap of faith to believe this. There is empirical evidence in Mitt Romney’s record to suggest that he is both intelligent enough and methodical enough to plan out a winning strategy many moves in advance.

claudius on August 15, 2012 at 12:46 AM

Hey Chrissie…you messed up your meme.

In the national media narrative – perhaps best illustrated by the shorthand of Jay Leno’s monologue, which presumes that the audience has the barest-bone familiarity with national figures – every Republican figure is reduced to one of three things: Old, stupid, or evil.

George H.W. Bush: Old. Dan Quayle: Stupid. Newt Gingrich: Evil. Pat Buchanan: Evil. Bob Dole: Old. George W. Bush: Stupid. Dick Cheney: Old and evil. John McCain: Old. Sarah Palin: Stupid.

Remember: by process of elimination with Ryan it HAS to be Evil.

dont taze me bro on August 15, 2012 at 12:46 AM

Dude is sounding desparate. The Quayle meme ain’t going to stick especially when you have Vice President Gaffemaster outgaffing Quayle himself. Their only hope is dig up some hidden dirt from Ryan’s past. I’m thinking October surprise. Unless the floor starts to fall out from under President Wonderful, and even a D +20 poll can’t make up the gap, then they’ll roll it out right away.

Red Creek on August 15, 2012 at 1:27 AM

Chris Mathews hates white people.

The Notorious G.O.P on August 15, 2012 at 3:30 AM

Worse than Quayle? He may be right, seeing it from his position there on the Democrat cheerleader junior varsity. Could be much worse. Quayle only had one term. Matthews is looking at two terms of Ryan as VP, then perhaps two terms as prez.

curved space on August 15, 2012 at 5:39 AM

CM has this elaborate edifice he’s constructed in his head…

Paul-Cincy on August 14, 2012 at 9:26 PM

Well put. The edifice is like a Mt Rushmore-style monument with the heads of FDR, JFK and Harry Truman. In the fourth spot where all other habitual, hereditary Democrats have Bill Clinton, Matthews has Tip O’Neill.

curved space on August 15, 2012 at 6:05 AM

None of the libs can say anything positive about Obama…
Funny to watch them squirm and struggle to find negatives.

Wait until the Republican convention.
Take back America from socialist Obama.

The Dems are scared that Ryan is the Hope and Change.
Obama was the poser, the fraud.

albill on August 15, 2012 at 6:46 AM

The Dems are scared that Ryan is the Hope and Change.
Obama was the poser, the fraud.

albill on August 15, 2012 at 6:46 AM

Paul Ryan wants a lean US government with targeted benefits for those least able to take care of themselves and the competitiveness to get America back to work.

Barack Obama wants an America where the US government is the referee and the arbiter of everything from how much of all our money to gift his chosen businesses with to what kind of lettuce your child has to eat at school lunch.

I trust them man who limits his grasp to his reach.

harlekwin15 on August 15, 2012 at 6:51 AM

Worst merger since AOL/Time Warner? How about worst merger since MSDNC hired your sorry backside?

Hey Chrissie: Ever figure out what that six-letter capitol with St. Basil’s Cathedral is yet?

Happy Nomad on August 15, 2012 at 7:22 AM

Wait until the Republican convention.
Take back America from socialist Obama.

The Dems are scared that Ryan is the Hope and Change.
Obama was the poser, the fraud.

albill on August 15, 2012 at 6:46 AM

Make no mistake, the Dems are scared of both Romney and Ryan. And the fact that they’ve had no traction with the smear job they have done in lieu of substance they have attempted so far.

Happy Nomad on August 15, 2012 at 7:24 AM

Make no mistake, the Dems are scared of both Romney and Ryan. And the fact that they’ve had no traction with the smear job they have done in lieu of substance they have attempted so far.

Happy Nomad on August 15, 2012 at 7:24 AM

The Democrats understand they have failed with this approach and they already have a contingency in place: Smear harder.
As for Chrissy Legtingles…sometimes on my evening walks I have to step over or around a puddle of Matthews in the middle of the sidewalk. Man, I hate that.

Extrafishy on August 15, 2012 at 7:33 AM

The Democrats understand they have failed with this approach and they already have a contingency in place: Smear harder.

Extrafishy on August 15, 2012 at 7:33 AM

What else do they have? They can’t run on their record. Romney/Ryan are right that it is Obama that is looking to loot Medicare and put current recipients on the street as a way of paying down Obamacare. The economy has not improved. So….. We double down on comments about that one trip where Seamus the dog rode on the roof of the Romney stationwagon.

Happy Nomad on August 15, 2012 at 7:52 AM

So Chrissie, let’s see you go one on one with Ryan, that will be a joke…it won’t be “tingle” running down you leg when he gets done with you.

right2bright on August 15, 2012 at 8:00 AM

We double down on comments about that one trip where Seamus the dog rode on the roof of the Romney stationwagon.

Happy Nomad on August 15, 2012 at 7:52 AM

I, for one, hope they continue this meme. We’ve barely begun to reveal all the dog-eating jokes that may be out there. The ones I’ve read so far have been a hoot and I look forward to more.

swinia sutki on August 15, 2012 at 8:03 AM

Ryan brings huge liabilities

Fill me in AP. I must have missed something. What are these huge liabilities? I wasn’t a Ry an supporter. I do thinkthat it is a risk having an entire ticket from an econmically failed part of the country, but on a personal basis, what the heck are you talking about?

Old Country Boy on August 15, 2012 at 8:13 AM

In other news: Left shows it is scared senseless shitless over the Ryan pick over VP.

NickDeringer on August 14, 2012 at 9:30 PM

…I had to make it read better for me Nicky D!

KOOLAID2 on August 14, 2012 at 9:35 PM

Actually, KOOLAID2, what you say is true only if they open their mouths to speak and nothing comes out.

Old Country Boy on August 15, 2012 at 8:20 AM

It’s inevitable that Matthews would be blind to Ryan’s virtues because Matthews doesn’t even pretend to understand federal finances. He sees all budget debates in terms of rhetorical positioning — big guy, little guy, etc. He has no clue as to what current policies are running the debt into the stratosphere.

I remember in 2008 Fred Thompson came out with a proposal to re-index the initial Social Security benefit level to price growth rather than wage growth, which would go a long way toward restoring program solvency. That night Matthews led a panel discussion in which he misinterpreted the proposal as an adjustment to the Social Security COLA, a different issue entirely. The two proposals were completely different in their fiscal effects and in who they would affect. Matthews and his panelists couldn’t be bothered to even understand them — he just put it in his “monkeying with Social Security” pigeonhole and teed off on it.

There’s no way a guy like this is going to understand Ryan, whose entire public career is built on avoiding the coming fiscal meltdown.

Chuckles3 on August 15, 2012 at 8:27 AM

End Transmission.

;-)

JimLennon on August 14, 2012 at 11:37 PM

other posters may not understand how important your post is. But this is real life, if they begin to lose the most staunch, even shake the foundation of Chicago most liberal, you have to realize how the less entrenched are thinking.
I see it as I drive through the “black” neighborhoods, last election, signs everywhere, banners, citizen meetings, and daily marches in support of Obama, it was over the top…now, the only bumper stickers on those cars are left over from 4 years ago, and no signs, no banners and certainly no marches…it is so obvious the disappointment and the reality.

right2bright on August 15, 2012 at 8:48 AM

I wonder what both of Matthews’ viewers thought of his remarks!

cajunpatriot on August 15, 2012 at 8:48 AM

I do not get the notion that picking Ryan is “rolling the dice”.

Even Ryan’s allegedly notorious extreme radical budget does not balance the federal budget for 10-20 years depending on projected economic growth.

The Dems have no proposal at all to balance the budget and apparently do not care about it. The Democratic Party has become completely irresponsible about the future fiscal and economic health of the nation. But Ryan is a risky pick because he proposed a budget that does not balance the budget for about 15 years, while the President of the US proposed a budget that never balances the budget?

This is insane.

Have we really become a nation of irresponsible moronic math challenged children who believe this can go on indefinitely without dire and disastrous consequences?

farsighted on August 15, 2012 at 9:00 AM

I don’t think Chris gets a tingle up his leg for Paul, do you?

Fuquay Steve on August 15, 2012 at 9:02 AM

Give it up hyena. Run your own company into the ground.

nimrod on August 15, 2012 at 9:07 AM

And its important, because both MSNBC viewer agree with Chris.

clippermiami on August 14, 2012 at 9:25 PM

WHAT? They’ve doubled their audience? WOW. Next thing ya know, they’ll be getting sponsors. Ok, that’s a stretch I know.. I know.

44Magnum on August 15, 2012 at 9:07 AM

This is what we want liberals to think…so out of touch with the voting public that they tune them out.

As the shrill became louder regarding Ronald Reagan, people begin tuning out the journalist, and began listening to Reagan.

Every one states that Reagan “went to the people” for his message, and that is partly right, but because they were not getting the message from the MSM…so it will be with this ticket.

It takes a little longer, but the “curing” process is more lasting. The more Chrissie and others whine go over the top in denouncing the Republican’s, the more the people will turn to Romney/Ryan for their input.

So thank you Chrissie, Rachel, Piers, your extreme comments are a great help…no one takes you seriously.

right2bright on August 15, 2012 at 9:10 AM

Nobody can be this wacko. He’s being paid by a radical news outlet to be a radical news analyst. I don’t believe that if he was on CNN, he would be so far to the edge. That being said, he is definitely missing some screws.

michaelthomas on August 15, 2012 at 9:22 AM

Desperate times for desperate tinglers.

nico on August 15, 2012 at 9:32 AM

I’m taking off Nov. 7. Just so you’ll know.

Akzed on August 15, 2012 at 9:39 AM

Fear and panic on the left right now. It is impossible for people like Mathews to ignore the writing on the wall at this point as it is evident Obama will have to face actual issues and not rely on weekly absurd diversions to change the subject from his failed first term.

Ellis on August 15, 2012 at 10:21 AM

Paul Ryan is no Dan Quayle

they’re scared

Slade73 on August 14, 2012 at 9:23 PM

I agree, but not as you might think. Paul Ryan is less conservative than Dan Quayle, based purely on voting record. Dan Quayle was the more Reaganesque man on that ticket, and the treatment he got in the media was what, today, would be called Palinized. Go back and read the things Vice President Quayle actually said, and you’ll find a man the Tea Party would have embraced wholeheartedly.

Still, Matthews is an utter tool, and the “worse than Dan Quayle” line only works because there’s nobody to ask that he explain in any detail what that means.

Freelancer on August 15, 2012 at 10:38 AM

The worst merger is actually on PMSNBC: Mika and Joe. But seriously Chris–it must be really hard to be you.

pacard33 on August 15, 2012 at 10:38 AM

he tries to jumpstart a narrative that choosing Ryan undercuts Romney’s business record specifically. What kind of CEO, after all, would bet his business on such a risky investment?

Hmm, what kind of CEO would hire an accountant to work on a budget even when the accountant didn’t have the CEO experience at running the entire business?

Last I checked, pretty much all of them. Knowledge of every aspect of a business generally isn’t a requirement to get hired for a specific job. And given the VP job I expect Ryan to get (accounting/business training speeches for the US to explain what they’re doing) you don’t need a CEO.

You need a smart guy that people can listen to who gets the numbers.

gekkobear on August 15, 2012 at 11:17 AM

Ryan brings huge liabilities for the libs who failed to produce budget during an entire 4 year administration. Matthews is such a girl.

StevC on August 15, 2012 at 12:05 PM

It is enjoyable to see the liberal pundits tying themselves into knots over Ryan. Even the traitorous yet unnamed republican establishment is supposedly losing thier minds. Here is my theory as to why. The liberals concentrate in the large urban areas and establishment republicans rarely can see past the District of Columbia borders. Thus they fail to see the masses in fly over country are just looking for someone genuine who will tell them the truth. Ryans populism comes from being one of us, and can propel him to heights of support that the libs/establishment only dream of. The large portion of American that is center right is just looking for answers. Romney/Ryan are at least trying to solve some real problems rather than bloviate. I’m going to watch MSNBC on election day just to see them jumping off cliffs. What Fun!

buckeyerich on August 15, 2012 at 12:09 PM

Hey, ( I never said that) tingles, Quayle won!

rjoco1 on August 15, 2012 at 12:11 PM

Chris is so desperate and flailing that I felt this THRILL going up my leg! There’s nothing quite as satisfying as a panicking discredited propagandist. LOVE LOVE LOVE IT!

bob77 on August 15, 2012 at 12:19 PM

Matthews is a blathering Obama carrying fool. I can’t wait for Nov 6..liberal talking heads’ explosion…5-4-3-2-

If he read history, Quayle was VP….LOL

Redford on August 15, 2012 at 2:26 PM

The tingles on Chrissie’s legs these days are coming from fear-induced pants wetting.

Bruno Strozek on August 14, 2012 at 11:12 PM

Liberal version of “trickle down.”

chickasaw42 on August 15, 2012 at 4:47 PM

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