California launches website to straighten out climate-change “deniers”

posted at 4:01 pm on August 14, 2012 by Erika Johnsen

Oh, California. The Golden State consistently receives some of the nation’s lowest marks on their business climate, unemployment rate, tax burden, utility costs, regulatory environment, and etcetera, not to mention some of the highest rates of state and local spending per capita and the biggest total state debt by a long shot. On top of that, the state government has pretty drastically overestimated their tax revenues of late (maybe all those businesspeople fleeing the state could have something to do with that, hmm?), contributing even more to their debt problems.

With all of these very serious fiscal problems plaguing the world’s ninth-largest economy, what ranks highly on the state government‘s to-do list? Climate change go bwahh!

Gov. Jerry Brown said today that “humanity is getting dangerously close to the point of no return” on climate change, and he launched a website criticizing conservatives who dispute its significance.

The website “Climate Change: Just the Facts,” is hosted by Brown’s Office of Planning and Research. It devotes one page to “the denialists” and another to rebutting “common denialist arguments.” …

“Global warming’s impact on Lake Tahoe is well documented. It is just one example of how, after decades of pumping greenhouse gases into the atmosphere, humanity is getting dangerously close to the point of no return,” Brown said in a prepared statement. “Those who still deny global warming’s existence should wake up and honestly face the facts.”

By all means, please just go right ahead and keep devoting your state’s resources to denigrating climate “deniers,” it’s not like you haven’t got a nickel to spare or anything.

For pity’s sake, there is no such thing as a serious person who is also a climate-change “denier” (the species is about as fictional as Man-Bear-Pig, if you will). Pretty much everybody acknowledges that climate change is a real thing, and that the planet has been going through cyclical changes of heating and cooling since time immemorial. But yes, a very large body of scientific evidence provides plentiful reason to believe that humanity is not contributing to the process at quite the catastrophic and unsustainable pace at which the highly politicized liberal scientific sects would have us believe.

But no, California is going to keep requiring more green energy standards in their economy, forcibly raising their utility costs and public debt, and then turn around and lecture the rest of us on how we should be doing the same. The mind reels.


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“California is a great place to live if you’re an orange.” -Fred Allen

Archivarix on August 14, 2012 at 4:03 PM

The real deniers are in Sacramento. Pitchfork them.

Schadenfreude on August 14, 2012 at 4:03 PM

Climate changes.

That is what it does.

Joe Mama on August 14, 2012 at 4:04 PM

Chickens…… once again, hardest hit.

ted c on August 14, 2012 at 4:06 PM

Except there’s a major problem with it.

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/08/13/apparently-goverenor-brown-youve-never-visited-the-weather-station-at-lake-tahoe/

The lake tahoe temperature rise they feature is caused by a tennis court next to the monitoring station.

crosspatch on August 14, 2012 at 4:07 PM

Maybe California should stop running all those “Come to California” tourism commercials. I’m guessing at least 95% of their visitors fly in from other places, creating all sorts of greenhouse gases. It’s not like they need the revenue from tourism anyway.

BuzzCrutcher on August 14, 2012 at 4:08 PM

Neanderthal muscle cars ended the last Ice Age.

Brian1972 on August 14, 2012 at 4:08 PM

Gov. Jerry Brown said today that “humanity is getting dangerously close to the point of no return” on climate change

After being informed that world climate has changed quite regularly and even dramatically at times throughout the Earth’s nearly 4.5 billion-year history, Brown followed-up with no details on what he actually meant by “close to the point of no return.”

Good Lt on August 14, 2012 at 4:08 PM

I thought we had separation of Church and State.

J_Crater on August 14, 2012 at 4:09 PM

The last time that I saw Lake Tahoe was in ’79.

It makes me so sad that the lake has boiled away, and is now a dry gulch.

I guess I would’ve known this, had I just read a Cali first grader’s schoolbook.

OhEssYouCowboys on August 14, 2012 at 4:10 PM

Gov. Jerry Brown said today that “humanity Kalifornia is getting dangerously close to the point of no return”

Ummm…yeah. Maybe an adult could take over and fix that?

AubieJon on August 14, 2012 at 4:10 PM

Maybe California should stop running all those “Come to California” tourism commercials. I’m guessing at least 95% of their visitors fly in from other places, creating all sorts of greenhouse gases. It’s not like they need the revenue from tourism anyway.

BuzzCrutcher on August 14, 2012 at 4:08 PM

Haven’t seen them lately in my neck of the woods. They were in quite heavy rotation last year.

22044 on August 14, 2012 at 4:10 PM

These climate nuts in CA don’t have two brain cells to rub together. Yes, the earth goes through cycles of heating and cooling; no man cannot be proven to have anything to do with it. Just look at the new record high average temp. 75.2 after this hot July. That is only .2 degrees higher than in 1933 when it was 75 degrees. There were far fewer people, cars, factories, coal plants, etc. etc. in 1933 then there are now–One would be hard pressed to say the .2 increase is due to manmade sources.

cpasherry on August 14, 2012 at 4:10 PM

The only “climate change” is all the hot air in Sacramento…

22044 on August 14, 2012 at 4:11 PM

Hmm, shouldn’t California be trying to fix other major issues facing that state, like solvency? The Big One?

the new aesthetic on August 14, 2012 at 4:11 PM

The website “Climate Change: Just the Facts,” is hosted by Brown’s Office of Planning and Research.

So will we finally get to see the raw data ( out of CRU) on which the global warming AGW climate change hysteria is based ?

burrata on August 14, 2012 at 4:12 PM

By the time the loons are finished, California will only be populated with fruits, flakes and nuts…along with 33% of ALL of the welfare recipients in the United States.

California spends 5% of its economy on wealth-transfer programmes, compared with the national average of 4.6% UNDER OBAMA and that is saying something.

Resist We Much on August 14, 2012 at 4:12 PM

Gov. Jerry Brown said today that “humanity is getting dangerously close to the point of no return”

Perhaps Jerry means that California is going to tip into the ocean under the weight of all the BS he and the dems shovel.

cpasherry on August 14, 2012 at 4:12 PM

On the other hand, Gov. Brown is perfectly happy to dump California Environmental Quality Act requirements to get his bullet train built.

de rigueur on August 14, 2012 at 4:12 PM

Gov. Jerry Brown said today that “humanity is getting dangerously close to the point of no return” on climate change…

What exactly are they afraid of?

Co2 in the late Triassic was 3,000 ppm, while today it has not yet reached 400 ppm.

Much higher levels of atmospheric co2 levels in the past did not bring about the apocalypse so what ‘point of no return‘ are they babbling about?

sharrukin on August 14, 2012 at 4:13 PM

…they need to send governor moonbeam to the moon

KOOLAID2 on August 14, 2012 at 4:13 PM

Which will destroy California first:
Climate Change?
Earthquake?
Debt?

gwelf on August 14, 2012 at 4:14 PM

With all of these very serious fiscal problems plaguing the world’s ninth-largest economy, what ranks highly on the state government‘s to-do list? Climate change go bwahh!
=====================================

Inexplicably Perplexing me thinks!!!

canopfor on August 14, 2012 at 4:15 PM

What they need is a business climate change.

That won’t come until there is a political climate change.

There are so many denialists that refuse to look at the scientific facts of business closures and migrations from California that base their ideas on age old records that just don’t carry over into modern times.

They are worried about the wrong kind of climate change… and this will kill California. Will the last member of the First World population leaving California please shut down the borders on their way out?

ajacksonian on August 14, 2012 at 4:15 PM

“Deniers”….

NOBODY EXPECTS THE SPANISH INQUISITION!

Seriously, they would lock us all up for crimes against humanity if they could. It’s their religion.

hisfrogness on August 14, 2012 at 4:15 PM

Next California web site page to be added:

STOP CONTINENTAL DRIFT!!!

And phooey on those “deniers” who think we can’t stop it!

fred5678 on August 14, 2012 at 4:16 PM

ATTTTTTAAAAAAAAAACCCCCCCKKKKKK WAAAAAATTTTTTTCCCCCCCHHHHH!

..the Golden State Edition.

The War Planner on August 14, 2012 at 4:16 PM

Moonbeam Brown strikes again… Sometimes I am so embarrassed that I live in California… Hey Jerry Brown, I hear Joe Biden is looking for a dancing partner who can sing and clap

SWalker on August 14, 2012 at 4:16 PM

I thought we had separation of Church and State.

J_Crater on August 14, 2012 at 4:09 PM

+1000

Thread winner!

rockmom on August 14, 2012 at 4:18 PM

California loon liberal commie Democrats near the vanishing point of rational thought.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on August 14, 2012 at 4:19 PM

CA can always lead the way by turning off air conditioners at government buildings (including the governor’s mansion), banning those big-engined stretch limos for politicians and celebrities, close LAX and other major airports for 16 hours a day, forbid swimming pools larger than twenty gallons, and tax celebrities at 80% for the next 50 years for indulging all those things they have the previous half century.

Liam on August 14, 2012 at 4:19 PM

We are witnessig the systematic collapse of a
“civilized society?

Seriously, just shut the entire state government down,
and let everyone there fend for themselves for the next 3 years.
Then go examine the results…bet the state is in a hell of
a lot better shape than now….

ToddPA on August 14, 2012 at 4:19 PM

Had to get a smog test this morning and I was talking to the garage owner. He was telling me how the state is just screwing him tax wise. He says they expect him to charge significantly more and pass the costs to his customers. He says he can’t do that without losing customers. Also, by not being able to hire more people he can’t do more work.

Blake on August 14, 2012 at 4:20 PM

Jerry Brown also wants more of his fellow citizens to move inland as he has evidence that the state might tip over into the Deed Blue Sea….!

APACHEWHOKNOWS on August 14, 2012 at 4:21 PM

“Is there anything Jerry Brown doesn’t know?” –Homer Simpson

Akzed on August 14, 2012 at 4:22 PM

Even if the science behind man-made climate change were irrefutably solid, I would not be looking to the governor of a state, or any politician for that matter, to be telling me about it. Someone needs to remind these people that the fact you get elected to office does not immediately make you an expert on everything.

What Governor Jerry Brown says about climate change carries no more weight or significance than what any commenter here says about climate change. He is the elected governor of a state, not a scientist.

Shump on August 14, 2012 at 4:22 PM

Glad to have California…it makes Illinois less stupid looking

krome on August 14, 2012 at 4:22 PM

Yes, by all means, let’s ignore the the problems that are within our means to correct like the economy, and focus like a laser on environmental regulations that the rest of the world not only ignore but laugh at.

antipc on August 14, 2012 at 4:22 PM

“Is there anything Jerry Brown doesn’t know?” –Homer Simpson

Akzed on August 14, 2012 at 4:22 PM

Ya, the difference between his a$$ and a hole in the ground…

SWalker on August 14, 2012 at 4:23 PM

+1000

Thread winner!

rockmom on August 14, 2012 at 4:18 PM

Glad to have California…it makes Illinois less stupid looking

krome on August 14, 2012 at 4:22 PM

Good point rockmom, but I think this one’s a good entry too!

22044 on August 14, 2012 at 4:24 PM

Straight from the website:

Many of the deniers share some traits:

Many have little or no expertise in climate science. While some have some science background, their training often is unrelated to climate science and they have not published “peer-reviewed” scientific work in climate or atmospheric science.

Many receive funding for their efforts from industries with a financial interest in ignoring climate change. Oil companies, coal-burning electric utilities, and other companies that make their profits from burning fossil fuels have funded denier organizations and scientists, just as tobacco companies funded people who claimed that second-hand smoke was safe.

So….All these “deniers” are just like the enviro movement: No scientific knowledge and feed at the public trough.

hisfrogness on August 14, 2012 at 4:25 PM

Yes, by all means, let’s ignore the the problems that are within our means to correct like the economy, and focus like a laser on environmental regulations that the rest of the world not only ignore but laugh at.

antipc on August 14, 2012 at 4:22 PM

Hey, at least California didn’t turn off the water to one of the most productive produce producing area’s on earth…. Oh…. Wait…. Yes they did… Never mind….

SWalker on August 14, 2012 at 4:25 PM

Jerry be choomin’.

Pork-Chop on August 14, 2012 at 4:26 PM

Which will destroy California first:
Climate Change?
Earthquake?
Debt?

gwelf on August 14, 2012 at 4:14 PM

Perfect.

magicbeans on August 14, 2012 at 4:29 PM

Jerry be choomin’.

Pork-Chop on August 14, 2012 at 4:26 PM

Wouldn’t be the first time… where do you think he got his nickname Moonbeam Brown?

SWalker on August 14, 2012 at 4:31 PM

…of course, it’s a one-way proposition. There’s no place on the site for you to post comments or rebuttals.

The War Planner on August 14, 2012 at 4:31 PM

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canopfor on August 14, 2012 at 4:32 PM

OK, I’m all fixed now. Being an American with free will I choose……..the Owens Valley for EVERYONE!

Limerick on August 14, 2012 at 4:32 PM

b’gawk! The climate is changing the climate is changing, let’s bankrupt ourselves into oblivion because of it. cluck cluck goes chicken little.

jake49 on August 14, 2012 at 4:32 PM

That site looks like it was put up as a high-school internet project.

1) Don’t tell me that your computer models know what the temperature was 400 years ago. That’s a crock of ****.

2) Don’t tell me that 400 ppm of ANYTHING is dangerous.

3) The earth has been warming SINCE THE LAST FREAKING ICE AGE, FOR GOD’S SAKE.

Liberals.

MikeinPRCA on August 14, 2012 at 4:33 PM

If climate didn’t change, maybe my local weather man could actually get something right for a change.

search4truth on August 14, 2012 at 4:33 PM

The real reason democrats in CA are pushing this so much is they are hoping to get billions from the new cap and trade market they are going to open up to fund their Union handlers and employees.

JeffinSac on August 14, 2012 at 4:35 PM

And last, but not least, the costs and chances for altering the changing climate for the betterment of mankind are inversely related, to put it kindly…. Better to put money into a nice condo in Rekjavik.

FerdtheMoonCat on August 14, 2012 at 4:35 PM

Lead by example kooks. Shut off the lights and outlaw the internal combustion engine.

tom daschle concerned on August 14, 2012 at 4:36 PM

Mexico… you can have it back. Just take it. Please.

Yakko77 on August 14, 2012 at 4:37 PM

Californian hangs head in shame, humiliation, despondency and despair.

Xasprtr on August 14, 2012 at 4:38 PM

Here is the truth about CA’s serious research projects about the environment :

In addition, the complaint argues that he exposed the fact that the lead author of the key CARB Report used to justify the diesel regulations did not have the UC Davis Ph.D. degree that he claimed. Instead, according to the suit, this “scientist” bought a fake Ph.D. for $1,000 from a fictional “Thornhill University.”

http://reason.com/blog/2012/06/14/ucla-professor-sues-for-firing-over-dies
Facts don’t matter to Brown

burrata on August 14, 2012 at 4:38 PM

Seriously, this web site is freaking hilarious. Go check out the link and read the link called “Common Denier Arguments”:

http://www.opr.ca.gov/s_commondenierarguments.php

This is my fav –

“The Climategate scandal showed that scientists have manipulated data to invent the climate problem.”

“Climategate” was coined to refer to a series of hacked emails from climate researchers at the University of East Anglia in 2009. No evidence of scientific wrongdoing was ever found. No fewer than seven committees, including bodies from the U.S. and British governments, looked into the emails and all reached the conclusion that the scientists committed no research misconduct, their results were accurate, and nothing in the emails refuted the overwhelming evidence
of climate change.

(House of Commons Science and Technology Committee, March 24, 2010; University of East Anglia, April 12, 2010; Pennsylvania State University, June 4, 2010; The Independent Climate Change Emails Review, July 2010; U.S. Environmental Protection Agency, July 29, 2010; U.S. Department of Commerce, February 24, 2011; National Science Foundation, August 15, 2011)

Kaisersoze on August 14, 2012 at 4:39 PM

What’s with that rainbow logo, anyway? Are they trying to link gay with climate or something?

Liam on August 14, 2012 at 4:40 PM

Much higher levels of atmospheric co2 levels in the past did not bring about the apocalypse so what ‘point of no return‘ are they babbling about?

sharrukin on August 14, 2012 at 4:13 PM

DENIER!!!
All of the dinosaurs that were alive then are dead now!!!
How can you possibly say there was no apocalypse?!?!? /

dentarthurdent on August 14, 2012 at 4:41 PM

In the old days, they had a way of truly straightening out deniers of the popular ‘truths’…
Like :
“The Earth is the Center of the Universe”.
“The Earth is flat.”

It was called The Rack.

And I Bet AlGore and Moonbeam Brown would just love to bring it back.

LegendHasIt on August 14, 2012 at 4:43 PM

If you say something loud enough, often enough………..

FlaMurph on August 14, 2012 at 4:44 PM

I have to wonder,
Why does California care?
They will be long gone…

Haiku Guy on August 14, 2012 at 4:44 PM

Kaisersoze on August 14, 2012 at 4:39 PM

Thanks, Kaisersoze. That was a thigh-slapper. They even have the hockey-stick graph!

J.E. Dyer on August 14, 2012 at 4:45 PM

All of the dinosaurs that were alive then are dead now!!!
How can you possibly say there was no apocalypse?!?!? /

dentarthurdent on August 14, 2012 at 4:41 PM

Wow! You’re right. I never thought of that. If we don’t stop this co2 stuff, then someday we might die too? /

sharrukin on August 14, 2012 at 4:46 PM

OK, I’m all fixed now. Being an American with free will I choose……..the Owens Valley for EVERYONE!

Limerick on August 14, 2012 at 4:32 PM

Limerick:Is it scenic,haha!:)

canopfor on August 14, 2012 at 4:46 PM

22044 on August 14, 2012 at 4:24 PM

Gotta go with the Rockmom vote for J_Carter. Chicago has a jewish mayor to whom the Chick-fil-a owners fail the “values” test, but Calypso Louie is good to go. We can compete with anyone on the stupid front.

wolfsDad on August 14, 2012 at 4:49 PM

Even if the science behind man-made climate change were irrefutably solid, I would not be looking to the governor of a state, or any politician for that matter, to be telling me about it. Someone needs to remind these people that the fact you get elected to office does not immediately make you an expert on everything.
Shump on August 14, 2012 at 4:22 PM

Except that these are the people responsible for that warning label on nearly every product I buy that says “The state of California has determined that this product causes cancer.”
I don’t believe they have that level of expertise either….

dentarthurdent on August 14, 2012 at 4:51 PM

Gov. Jerry Brown said today that “humanity California is getting dangerously close to the point of no return” and the proof is in the fact the morons of California elected me again!

Fixed it for moonbeam! Very fitting really as this is what came to mind when I learned California elected moonbeam again after his disasterous first stint as the guv!

Seriously, you know the old saying “fool me once, shame on you…fool me twice shame on me!” What the hell are the people in Cali thinking bringing this buffoon in as guv again! Don’t feel sorry for them one bit, they made their bed now they can sleep in it as their state sinks into oblivion!

Liberty or Death on August 14, 2012 at 4:52 PM

Wow! You’re right. I never thought of that. If we don’t stop this co2 stuff, then someday we might die too? /

sharrukin on August 14, 2012 at 4:46 PM

Darn right – if we don’t act now, we’ll all be dead in 100 million years….

dentarthurdent on August 14, 2012 at 4:53 PM

What exactly are they afraid of?

Co2 in the late Triassic was 3,000 ppm, while today it has not yet reached 400 ppm.

Much higher levels of atmospheric co2 levels in the past did not bring about the apocalypse so what ‘point of no return‘ are they babbling about?

sharrukin on August 14, 2012 at 4:13 PM

I am given to understand that the archosaurs and prosauropods had quite the Industrial Revolution during the Carnian Period of the Late Triassic… factories and refineries and pollution everywhere!

gravityman on August 14, 2012 at 4:53 PM

This is all fine and dandy Gov. Brown…

… but what are we going to do about that big ol’ ball of burning gas up there in the sky?

Solar flare activity continues to increase
Scientists say sun’s volative behavior could cause problems on Earth

Oh, wait…!

Seven Percent Solution on August 14, 2012 at 4:53 PM

I am given to understand that the archosaurs and prosauropods had quite the Industrial Revolution during the Carnian Period of the Late Triassic… factories and refineries and pollution everywhere!

gravityman on August 14, 2012 at 4:53 PM

But did they drive SUVs? Those things are REEEEALLY evil…..

dentarthurdent on August 14, 2012 at 4:56 PM

Mexico… you can have it back. Just take it. Please.

Yakko77 on August 14, 2012 at 4:37 PM

They already have…

Seven Percent Solution on August 14, 2012 at 4:56 PM

Maybe California should stop running all those “Come to California” tourism commercials. I’m guessing at least 95% of their visitors fly in from other places, creating all sorts of greenhouse gases. It’s not like they need the revenue from tourism anyway.

BuzzCrutcher on August 14, 2012 at 4:08 PM

If you actually did come to California, you wouldn’t see any more of those ads. You’d see “Flex Alert” ads warning you to be ready to cease using any and all electric appliances because the whole grid (such as it is – last power plant in CA probably built when Jerry Brown’s dad was governor) is about to go down.

peski on August 14, 2012 at 4:57 PM

We’ve been thru this before.

Gwillie on August 14, 2012 at 4:58 PM

Thanks, Kaisersoze. That was a thigh-slapper. They even have the hockey-stick graph!

J.E. Dyer on August 14, 2012 at 4:45 PM

Yup, complete with the self-parody of citing a Penn State internal investigation as proof that no wrong-doing occurred.

Kaisersoze on August 14, 2012 at 5:00 PM

The real reason democrats in CA are pushing this so much is they are hoping to get billions from the new cap and trade market they are going to open up to fund their Union handlers and employees.

JeffinSac on August 14, 2012 at 4:35 PM

CARB is already finding out that they’ll need to issue more carbon credits to avoid losing more businesses to other states or shutting down altogether.

antipc on August 14, 2012 at 5:02 PM

What exactly are they afraid of?

Co2 in the late Triassic was 3,000 ppm, while today it has not yet reached 400 ppm.

Much higher levels of atmospheric co2 levels in the past did not bring about the apocalypse so what ‘point of no return‘ are they babbling about?

sharrukin on August 14, 2012 at 4:13 PM

I am given to understand that the archosaurs and prosauropods had quite the Industrial Revolution during the Carnian Period of the Late Triassic… factories and refineries and pollution everywhere!

gravityman on August 14, 2012 at 4:53 PM

I don’t care who you are…that there is some funny chit! But be careful gravityman, lib-progs will probably take what you say as fact and start using it in their climate change propaganda and claiming the information came from sound and undeniable scientific research!

Liberty or Death on August 14, 2012 at 5:03 PM

“Now, what are we gonna use to change climate deniers’ little flat-earther minds? I know! A NEW WEBSITE!! Yeah, that oughta work!”

- Brownies (Like Despicable Me minions, but brown-colored. Don’t call them turds!)

Marcola on August 14, 2012 at 5:04 PM

Thanks, Kaisersoze. That was a thigh-slapper. They even have the hockey-stick graph!

J.E. Dyer on August 14, 2012 at 4:45 PM

Yup, complete with the self-parody of citing a Penn State internal investigation as proof that no wrong-doing occurred.

Kaisersoze on August 14, 2012 at 5:00 PM

Ya… The exact same investigator panel that cleared Jerry Sandusky also cleared Dr. “Check out my fake hockey stick” Mann. Nothing to see here, move along…

SWalker on August 14, 2012 at 5:04 PM

Yup, complete with the self-parody of citing a Penn State internal investigation as proof that no wrong-doing occurred.

Kaisersoze on August 14, 2012 at 5:00 PM

Are you saying Penn State’s ethics are questionable and that they might actually cover up wrongdoing by one of their employees?
How could you think such a thing, now that we know about Sandusky…. oh um…

dentarthurdent on August 14, 2012 at 5:04 PM

Sorry for the strike through your quote sharrukin, it was supposed to be quoted! Aaarrgh, preview is your friend!

Liberty or Death on August 14, 2012 at 5:05 PM

Good Lord that man is such an idiot. I lived in California through his first term as governor and blessed the day that he vacated that office. When he was re-elected after the Arnold debacle, I closed my business, sold my house, and fled to Texas. Yes, that was one of my primary motivations to take such drastic measures, and I have been proven correct. But this climate change BS is just a minor annoyance with Brown. If you really look under the hood at what’s going on with the legislature it will make your skin crawl. California truly is doomed.

NOMOBO on August 14, 2012 at 5:11 PM

I thought we had separation of Church and State.

J_Crater on August 14, 2012 at 4:09 PM

+1000

Thread winner!

rockmom on August 14, 2012 at 4:18 PM

Seriously, we need to think about attacking Gaiaism, or Warmism, from this angle. It has all the components needed that define a religion.

slickwillie2001 on August 14, 2012 at 5:11 PM

Straight from the website:

Many of the deniers share some traits:

Many have little or no expertise in climate science. While some have some science background, their training often is unrelated to climate science and they have not published “peer-reviewed” scientific work in climate or atmospheric science.

Many receive funding for their efforts from industries with a financial interest in ignoring climate change. Oil companies, coal-burning electric utilities, and other companies that make their profits from burning fossil fuels have funded denier organizations and scientists, just as tobacco companies funded people who claimed that second-hand smoke was safe.

So….All these “deniers” are just like the enviro movement: No scientific knowledge and feed at the public trough.

hisfrogness on August 14, 2012 at 4:25 PM

On the other hand, many Warmists receive funding for their efforts from Big Green, -the filthy rich environmentalism multinationals that spend hundreds of millions paying off politicians and getting government grants in return. Money also flows through these corrupt relationships to industrial facades like Solyndra.

slickwillie2001 on August 14, 2012 at 5:15 PM

Climate change –> the newest shiny object!!

Please don’t look at your tax bill or the state deficit. Our (almost) bullet train from nowhere to nowhere and back will solve everything! Maybe a $.20/mile toll on all highways within 50 miles of San Franciso, LA and San Diego would balance the budget and reduce greenhouse gases — a two fer!

KenInIL on August 14, 2012 at 5:16 PM

Glad to have California…it makes Illinois less stupid looking

krome on August 14, 2012 at 4:22 PM

Okay krome, you damn near made me choke to death on my deit coke laughing at that one

Wallythedog on August 14, 2012 at 5:16 PM

Glad to have California…it makes Illinois less stupid looking

krome on August 14, 2012 at 4:22 PM

Okay krome, you damn near made me choke to death on my deit coke laughing at that one

Wallythedog on August 14, 2012 at 5:16 PM

see, I may have had a mini stroke and misspelled diet!

Wallythedog on August 14, 2012 at 5:19 PM

Gov. Jerry Brown said today that “humanity is getting dangerously close to the point of no return” on climate change

Good. Does that mean they’ll finally leave us alone?

The Count on August 14, 2012 at 5:20 PM

I am given to understand that the archosaurs and prosauropods had quite the Industrial Revolution during the Carnian Period of the Late Triassic… factories and refineries and pollution everywhere!

gravityman on August 14, 2012 at 4:53 PM

It’s an embarrassment that paleontologists don’t like to mention. There’s talk of re-naming the era “the Bourgeoiszoic.”

de rigueur on August 14, 2012 at 5:23 PM

The lake tahoe temperature rise they feature is caused by a tennis court next to the monitoring station.

crosspatch on August 14, 2012 at 4:07 PM

That’s a switch. Usually the stations are over air conditioner exhausts.

petefrt on August 14, 2012 at 5:23 PM

It’s an embarrassment that paleontologists don’t like to mention. There’s talk of re-naming the era “the Bourgeoiszoic.”

de rigueur on August 14, 2012 at 5:23 PM

Now YOU owe me a new keyboard also….

dentarthurdent on August 14, 2012 at 5:27 PM

Its very simple. The progressives running California believe they can go ahead with ridiculous legislation, taxes, and spending, to achieve their ‘vision’ of utopia… and then STICK THE OTHER 49 STATES WITH THE TAB.

They believe they are ‘too big to fail’ and that the rest of the nation, through the auspices of the federal government, will use federal revenues… you know…. your tax dollars… to bail them out… and that you will be glad to KEEP bailing them out, too.

thatsafactjack on August 14, 2012 at 5:28 PM

Seriously, we need to think about attacking Gaiaism, or Warmism, from this angle. It has all the components needed that define a religion.
slickwillie2001 on August 14, 2012 at 5:11 PM

If it can’t be questioned, it most definitely is not science.

Global Warmingology is not even not science; it’s not even a scientific theory. Not only has it never been stated as a testable hypothesis; it’s never even been stated as a coherent hypothesis AT ALL.

All its priests offer are incredibly vague predictions that something bad may happen in precisely 20-200 years. And the only “solution” they’ve ever proferred involves essentially liquidating all free societies and giving all the proceeds to Communist ones.

And, even as religions go, this one is way beyond flaky. I have absolutely no problem whatsoever believing that my ancestors may come back as farm animals; or that a wrongly executed man returned from the grave 2,000 years ago in order to forgive his murderers.

But Global Warming? Sorry, no. I will respect anyone’s sincere belief in miracles – regardless of whether any actual proof is available. What I catagorically reject are CONVENIENT miracles, especially ones that “happen” to hurt millions of innocent people and profit those who have ALWAYS lied about EVERYTHING in the past. That particular brand of snake oil is never anything but pure poison.

logis on August 14, 2012 at 5:30 PM

I really wish we could move past the “Is it happening” question and move with all deliberate speed to “can we stop it” and “can we afford to do the things necessary to stop it”.

The correct answers, btw, are “probably not” and “no”.

alwaysfiredup on August 14, 2012 at 5:31 PM

How come the wind don’t blow when ya need it most?

California has issued a call for customers to conserve power to avoid outages.

The alert will be in effect Tuesday between 11 a.m. and 6 p.m. During that time, customers are asked to keep thermostats at 78 degrees or higher, to turn off air conditioning when not at home, to turn off unnecessary lights and appliances, and to restrict the use of major appliances to the morning and late evening.

How’re those windmills working out for you, Jerry?

petefrt on August 14, 2012 at 5:34 PM

I’m sure it’s just a coincidence, but today I saw a commercial about deniers on TV produced by world wildlife foundation.

Yeah, right.

But never fear, CA is going to give industry free carbon credits to usher in their new carbon trading scheme! (See CalWatchDog.com)

No GOPers need apply?

PattyJ on August 14, 2012 at 5:37 PM

“Deniers”….

NOBODY EXPECTS THE SPANISH INQUISITION!

hisfrogness on August 14, 2012 at 4:15 PM

LOL.

MessesWithTexas on August 14, 2012 at 5:37 PM

We live approximately 20 miles from Sacramento and all I can say is that we are planning our move to Texas by early Spring of 2013.

ImageSniper on August 14, 2012 at 5:37 PM

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