California launches website to straighten out climate-change “deniers”

posted at 4:01 pm on August 14, 2012 by Erika Johnsen

Oh, California. The Golden State consistently receives some of the nation’s lowest marks on their business climate, unemployment rate, tax burden, utility costs, regulatory environment, and etcetera, not to mention some of the highest rates of state and local spending per capita and the biggest total state debt by a long shot. On top of that, the state government has pretty drastically overestimated their tax revenues of late (maybe all those businesspeople fleeing the state could have something to do with that, hmm?), contributing even more to their debt problems.

With all of these very serious fiscal problems plaguing the world’s ninth-largest economy, what ranks highly on the state government‘s to-do list? Climate change go bwahh!

Gov. Jerry Brown said today that “humanity is getting dangerously close to the point of no return” on climate change, and he launched a website criticizing conservatives who dispute its significance.

The website “Climate Change: Just the Facts,” is hosted by Brown’s Office of Planning and Research. It devotes one page to “the denialists” and another to rebutting “common denialist arguments.” …

“Global warming’s impact on Lake Tahoe is well documented. It is just one example of how, after decades of pumping greenhouse gases into the atmosphere, humanity is getting dangerously close to the point of no return,” Brown said in a prepared statement. “Those who still deny global warming’s existence should wake up and honestly face the facts.”

By all means, please just go right ahead and keep devoting your state’s resources to denigrating climate “deniers,” it’s not like you haven’t got a nickel to spare or anything.

For pity’s sake, there is no such thing as a serious person who is also a climate-change “denier” (the species is about as fictional as Man-Bear-Pig, if you will). Pretty much everybody acknowledges that climate change is a real thing, and that the planet has been going through cyclical changes of heating and cooling since time immemorial. But yes, a very large body of scientific evidence provides plentiful reason to believe that humanity is not contributing to the process at quite the catastrophic and unsustainable pace at which the highly politicized liberal scientific sects would have us believe.

But no, California is going to keep requiring more green energy standards in their economy, forcibly raising their utility costs and public debt, and then turn around and lecture the rest of us on how we should be doing the same. The mind reels.


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Kaisersoze on August 14, 2012 at 4:39 PM

From your link:

Clouds are a complex piece of the climate system. They may have either a cooling or warming effect, either reflecting sunlight away from the earth (cooling) or trapping heat close to the planet and preventing it from escaping to space (warming). As the earth begins to warm, the amount and properties of clouds could change. The nature of this change is still uncertain. While the effect of clouds on the climate is genuinely an area where more research is needed, there does not appear to be much evidence that we will be saved by clouds.

Uh, clouds are hard to study so we just ignore them in the calculation. Even though we know they have some effect.

Favorite claim is one made based on tree rings from old trees in the Pacific Northwest used to adjust the temperature record in South America. No, seriously….its accurate…I’m a climate scientist.

BobMbx on August 14, 2012 at 5:44 PM

So this is what they’re going to spend their last dollar on? Good work.

Ward Cleaver on August 14, 2012 at 5:48 PM

Irony alert hit the red zone today when I saw this quote on facebook. It was posted by someone who is very frequently posting climate change talking points and loves to ridicule skeptics as “flat-earthers” and the like.

When someone says ‘I have these two crystals if you rub them together you’ll get healthy.’ Rather than just discount it—because that’s as lazy as accepting it, both of those are just lazy brain—what you should do is inquire. So do you know how to inquire? Every scientist would know how to start that conversation. They would say ‘Well where did you get these? What kinds of ailments does it cure? How does it work? What does it cost? Can you demonstrate that it works?’ And you go through this… And at the end the person is in tears because they weren’t prepared for that level of questioning. So science literacy is vaccine against charlatans of the world that would exploit your ignorance of the forces of nature.
-Neil de Grasse Tyson

Scrappy on August 14, 2012 at 5:51 PM

Climate Change is very real. Fight it by holding your breath. I’ll tell you when its safe to breath.

Bmore on August 14, 2012 at 5:52 PM

breath=breathe

Bmore on August 14, 2012 at 5:53 PM

Gov. Jerry Brown said today that “humanity is getting dangerously close to the point of no return” on climate change

You’ll have to pardon Governor Senile. He can only keep one thought in his head at one time.

But not to worry. Jerry’s gonna have a ‘Bullet Train’ to welcome all those people who will be MOVING TO Kalifornia. It will be powered by carbon-free, rainbow colored Unicorn farts.

Given the “flex alerts” the last few days – pleading for lower electrical usage between 11am-6pm, those folks “moving to Kaliforia” had better be bringing their electricity with them.

GarandFan on August 14, 2012 at 5:53 PM

So this is what they’re going to spend their last dollar on? Good work.

Ward Cleaver on August 14, 2012 at 5:48 PM

Al Gore and his ilk are going broke; they will stop at nothing to see cap&trade passed so that they can reline their pockets with cash.

DDay on August 14, 2012 at 5:56 PM

Our electricity prices in California are increasing like crazy, seems like 10% a month lately. For those of you elsewhere: Do not follow our example!

Here’s some background:

http://open.salon.com/blog/richard_rider/2012/05/11/californias_sky-high_residential_electricity_rates

theCork on August 14, 2012 at 6:03 PM

That must be a really big “point”, we’ve been dangerously close to passing it for about 30 years now….

Cyhort on August 14, 2012 at 6:03 PM

CAGWers usually understand very little about the science. In fact, they seem to hate science.

blink on August 14, 2012 at 5:58 PM

Science is now just a euphemism now for atheism or humanism. Do not question their pseudo-religion or you are unscientific.

pedestrian on August 14, 2012 at 6:10 PM

“Global warming’s impact on Lake Tahoe is well documented.”


This statement happens to be absolutely true. Simply click over to “Watts Up With That” (WUWT) for all the details. Unfortunately for Governor Moonbeam, being documented and being accurate are two entirely separate things. It seems one of the main Lake Tahoe recording stations is sited approximately 5 feet from a burn facility, or to put it more directly a 55 gallon drum used to incinerate documents. On the other hand it’s all off 50 feet from an asphalt covered parking lot. So, yes, official records show Lake Tahoe, or at least it’s burn facilities, have been getting hotter and hotter over the last few years. If that’s not reason enough to spend hundreds of billions of dollars the state doesn’t have turning California into a 16th century paradise I simply don’t know what is.

Fred 2 on August 14, 2012 at 6:12 PM

We can laugh at California, but the EPA uses the CARB as a basis for imposing its idiocy on the rest of us. See emission standards for combines, leaf blowers, and lawn mowers.

FirelandsO3 on August 14, 2012 at 6:15 PM

When will we be over the brink and not on the brink?

Guessing when there’s no more money to spend on this hokum.

itsspideyman on August 14, 2012 at 6:18 PM

Silly Walks have been proven to increase health. How long will it be before California has “The Department of Silly Walks”

Monty Python Ministry of Silly Walks

maddmatt on August 14, 2012 at 6:18 PM

“Global warming’s impact on Lake Tahoe is well documented. It is just one example of how, after decades of pumping greenhouse gases into the atmosphere, humanity is getting dangerously close to the point of no return,”

Coincidentally, the temperature measuring station at Lake Tahoe is one of the worst in the country. Have a look here.

The overestimation of temperatures from that station is probably 2-5 degrees, due to the poor siting, which by the way, comes no where close to meeting standards. It’s next to a freaking burn-barrel!

iurockhead on August 14, 2012 at 6:24 PM

I’m certain we can High Speed Rail out way out of this one. Now, let’s get out there and pour gravel all over that Imperial Valley!

DarthBrooks on August 14, 2012 at 6:35 PM

When panic takes hold, reason is abandoned – this is why people sometimes end up outside burning houses with an alarm clock in their hands and no idea why.

mojo on August 14, 2012 at 6:36 PM

With all of these very serious fiscal problems plaguing the world’s ninth-largest economy, what ranks highly on the state government‘s to-do list?

It is worth noting that not too long ago, CA was the 7th largest economy. I hadn’t heard that we had fallen to 9th place but this is a good example of how we got there.

JackOfClubs on August 14, 2012 at 6:38 PM

Og the Neanderthal -circa 56,000 B.C.- looked at fire and said: “Humanity is getting close to the point of no return.”

profitsbeard on August 14, 2012 at 6:48 PM

I have to wonder,
Why does California care?
They will be long gone…

Haiku Guy on August 14, 2012 at 4:44 PM

Why do they care, Guy?
Their burden is righteousness.
They are our betters.

trigon on August 14, 2012 at 6:48 PM

The overestimation of temperatures from that station is probably 2-5 degrees, due to the poor siting, which by the way, comes no where close to meeting standards. It’s next to a freaking burn-barrel!

iurockhead on August 14, 2012 at 6:24 PM

At least she is honest on her own site.

Social Science for Climate Change

And how do we change ourselves, our practices and institutions

Starting a sentence with “and”. Idiot.

But she is honest here. How do we change others. How do we force others to change to our belief system would be better wording. This fake “science” is how.

This is not science at all. It is simply religion. They follow no scientific standards. They ignore the big players in the climate like water vapor and clouds. They only talk about the ones their religion wants to talk about. Not Methane that has a big influence no CO2 that has little influence and is a lagging indicator anyway.

Sure we are warming I would hope we were. I would not really like it if we were going into an Ice Age. But hey there used to be dinosaurs in Siberia the planet was doing very well then thank you very much.

When you have a tropical Siberia again I will pay attention LOL.

Steveangell on August 14, 2012 at 6:57 PM

Tuesday, here in California, they have announced a ‘Power flex alert’! The purpose of this is to conserve power as they are failing to make enough available. One of todays key provisions is to turn everyones AC to 79 degrees. Electric home appliances, excluding refridgerators, is also to be limited to off peak hours in the middle of the night.

California is about to go the full monty and move directly to the THIRD WORLD! Jerry Brown is simply trying to find cover from what is going to happen WHEN they start shutting off electricity around the state.

Seems like many think we are going to become more like Europe with these socialist policies when they should be looking at the southern part of this hemisphere for where we are headed!

Freddy on August 14, 2012 at 6:58 PM

It is worth noting that not too long ago, CA was the 7th largest economy. I hadn’t heard that we had fallen to 9th place but this is a good example of how we got there.

JackOfClubs on August 14, 2012 at 6:38 PM

It’my understanding California once had the 2nd largest economy, second only to the entire US! My how far they’ve come, the commie liberal/progs must be so proud of their success!

In my opinion Cali is a test bed for liberal/progs on how to destroy a prosperous state and turn it into a 3rd world crap hole! Unfortunately now that they know how its done they are trying to do it to the rest of the US and Obummer is living proof of that! Liberalism/progressivism is a virus that needs to be eradicated before it’s too late!

Liberty or Death on August 14, 2012 at 6:59 PM

So the CRU emails, just went poof?

It’s a hoax, fir the warm swadling blanket around the equator …. that all the computer models use to initialize, that weather balloons can’t seem to find.

The latest liberal lies.

tarpon on August 14, 2012 at 7:06 PM

liberal scientific sects

I like that!

MNHawk on August 14, 2012 at 7:22 PM

If you noticed that these nut-cases went from calling it “global warming” to “climate change” and you didn’t question their veracity, I have some lakefront property in Florida you might like.

RedCrow on August 14, 2012 at 7:34 PM

Here is a “tin foil hat” conspiracy theory from left field. Is it possible that climate change is actually intentional? Is it possible that aircraft have been spraying something into the skies (“chemtrails”), with the intention of increasing temperatures, thus making it easier to push Agenda 21?

eaglescout_1998 on August 14, 2012 at 7:53 PM

Gov. Jerry Brown said today that “humanity is getting dangerously close to the point of no return” on climate change, and he launched a website criticizing conservatives who dispute its significance.

.
Gov. Brown, you sir are “getting dangerously close to the point of no return” to the Gates Of Hell.
And they’re more real than your allegations of “irreversible global climate destruction” caused by mankind’s industrial apparatus.

listens2glenn on August 14, 2012 at 8:13 PM

eaglescout_1998 on August 14, 2012 at 7:53 PM

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I wouldn’t put anything past the “One World Government” pushers.

Whatever they believe will help advance their agenda, they’ll do it.

I personally find it hard to believe that the activity you described would be able to increase the temperature average of the entire earth’s atmosphere. But I’m not a scientist, either.

listens2glenn on August 14, 2012 at 8:26 PM

I have found that AGW types have become more strident and even less willing to listen to counter arguments. This generally is a result of knowing that they’re losing.

my argument goes like this.

High C02 levels have never prevented the cooling at the end of a heat age, nor has Low C02 levels prevented the warming at the end of an ice age.

Slowburn on August 14, 2012 at 8:40 PM

Not sure why I chose this thread. The dems, progs, commies, statists are officially unhinged.
I am sure that we will put the full blooded America in the hate, the loathing, the win.

The tenor couldn’t be more clear.
Our very future. Don’t be bashful over persuasion of dim-will-be-voters.

Ummm, thinking of the word. Unabashed azz whoopin.

Get ready for the dirtiest piece of crap. Oh, that would be our pResident, wouldn’t it?
Get out there and convince, if you will.

The part of it that I don’t understand is, who are these people, cheering?
A smaller and smaller ‘crowd’.

I need a new word as, loathe, ain’t cuttin’ it anymore.

Romney/Ryan.

Nothing better than a good offense.
Grind to grist…

I don’t feel better after that, but I’ll be doing my part…

mickytx on August 14, 2012 at 9:38 PM

I have found that AGW types have become more strident and even less willing to listen to counter arguments. This generally is a result of knowing that they’re losing.

my argument goes like this.

High C02 levels have never prevented the cooling at the end of a heat age, nor has Low C02 levels prevented the warming at the end of an ice age.

Slowburn on August 14, 2012 at 8:40 PM

I had a confrontation with one the other day – The guy was a vile, intolerant and patronizing piece of work who had all the IPCC talking points down pat, and treated everyone who disagreed with him as if they were non-sentient one-celled organisms. A perfect little brown-shirted jackass if there ever was one – No doubt he ‘ll be one of the first in line to volunteer to man the guard towers for the coming AGW re-education camps.

JFS61 on August 14, 2012 at 10:46 PM

JFS61 on August 14, 2012 at 10:46 PM

The kind of person who would rather kill for what they know to be a lie than admit to themselves that they had been fooled.

Slowburn on August 14, 2012 at 11:41 PM

Except there’s a major problem with it.

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/08/13/apparently-goverenor-brown-youve-never-visited-the-weather-station-at-lake-tahoe/

The lake tahoe temperature rise they feature is caused by a tennis court next to the monitoring station.

crosspatch on August 14, 2012 at 4:07 PM

The one fact you won’t see there.

With all the windmills it’s a wonder there are still living birds.

TerryW on August 15, 2012 at 9:18 AM

The deniers page consists of two ad hominen arguments: Deniers aren’t specialist climate scientists and deniers work for the bad guys.
This is intellectual dishonesty. If that’s all the web site can do, then it admits it cannot argue the facts, so it tries to discredit the people who disagree.

As a society, we stink at thinking. We seem not to be able to argue intelligently at all.

Write Jerry Brown and demand he take this waste of money down and to stick to legitimate state concerns.

billrowe on August 15, 2012 at 2:31 PM

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