Video: Erskine Bowles says Ryan budget “sensible … honest, serious”

posted at 8:41 am on August 13, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

Why is this important?  Erskine Bowles has a long pedigree as a Democratic budget thinker — and presidential adviser.  When Barack Obama needed to pick the co-chair for his deficit committee, which he roundly ignored in the end, he chose Bowles to represent his side on the panel.  Bowles served as Bill Clinton’s chief of staff, and earlier ran the Small Business Administration for Clinton.  Ezra Klein predicted on Friday that Bowles would be the front-runner for Tim Geithner’s job at Treasury if Obama wins a second term.

Bear in mind this while you watch this clip, found by our good friend Morgen Richmond over the weekend — the Ryan budget came as an answer of sorts to the budget recommendations from the deficit committee, on which Ryan served with Bowles.  Even though this is a competing plan, Bowles in September 2011 was impressed with it and with Ryan enough to call it “sensible,” “honest,” and “serious” — although Bowles still didn’t accept it as a substitute for the panel’s:

Remember this when you start to hear the Obama campaign rip the Ryan budget as an unserious attempt to kill Medicare and allow rich people to feast on the bones of the poor.  Bowles has his own issues with Ryan’s plan (which at one point in the video below he calls “radical”), but Bowles acknowledges this as a good-faith effort to fix the structural crisis in American finances.  That’s more respect than Bowles gave Obama’s budget, which he noted got voted down in the Senate 97-0, and for good reason.  Bowles even tweaks Obama for dishonestly attempting to evade a true comparison and for back-loading cuts in order to claim $4 trillion in reductions over 12 years.

One should not come away with the impression that Bowles supports the Ryan budget.  However, it’s clear that Bowles has a great deal more respect for Ryan’s efforts than he does for Barack Obama’s.

Update: Here’s the transcript of the shorter clip, courtesy of Resist We Much in the comments:

“Have any of you met Paul Ryan? We should get him to come to the university. I’m telling you this guy is amazing, uh. I always thought that I was OK with arithmetic, but this guy can run circles around me. And, he is honest. He is straightforward. He is sincere.

And, the budget that he came forward with is just like Paul Ryan. It is a sensible, straightforward, serious budget and it cut the budget deficit by $4 trillion…just like we did.

The President came out with his own plan and the President came out, as you will remember, with a budget and I don’t think anyone took that budget very seriously. Um, the Senate voted against it 97 to nothing. He, therefore, after a lot of pressure from folks like me, he came out with a new budget framework and, in the new budget framework, he cut the budget deficit by $4 trillion over 12 years. And, to be candid, this $4 trillion cut was very heavily back-end loaded. So, if you looked at it on a 10 year basis and compared apples-to-apples, it was about a $2.5 trillion cut.”


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Heh! ….a roundabout endorsement???/

ted c on August 13, 2012 at 8:45 AM

One should not come away with the impression that Bowles supports the Ryan budget. However, it’s clear that Bowles has a great deal more respect for Ryan’s efforts than he does for Barack Obama’s.
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excerpt: Ed Morrisey

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What kind of budget would Bowles support?

listens2glenn on August 13, 2012 at 8:47 AM

is this a comparison contrast? while depicting Ryan as sensible, honest and serious, what does that make Obama???? the opposite?

ted c on August 13, 2012 at 8:47 AM

Wait – that Erskine Bowles?

Wow.

juanito on August 13, 2012 at 8:47 AM

What kind of budget would Bowles support?

listens2glenn on August 13, 2012 at 8:47 AM

Presumably the one the Simpson-Bowles committee produced, which Obama ignored entirely.

Ed Morrissey on August 13, 2012 at 8:48 AM

For Progs:

If Ryan is an extreme right-winger and his proposals are so unpopular, how has he won election seven times in a Democratic district?

His lowest share of the vote was 57% — in his first race. He routinely wins over two-thirds of the vote.

When Obama swept the nation in 2008, he carried Ryan’s district by 4 points. But at the same time, Ryan won reelection with 65% of the vote, meaning that 20% of Obama voters also voted for Paul Ryan.

Resist We Much on August 13, 2012 at 8:49 AM

Keyword … “serious”. Time for this election to get out of the petty and into the consequential.

Lost in Jersey on August 13, 2012 at 8:50 AM

Bowles acknowledges this as a good-faith effort to fix the structural crisis in American finances

No one plan is going to be the perfect solution. What we need are good-faith efforts and serious discussion. Both Romney and Ryan have put forward such ideas.

Obama and the Dems? Well, let’s just talk about Sandra Fluke and Joe Soptic some more. Pundits are saying that the election dynamics just changed and I hope that is true but I fear we will have more of “Romney killed my wife” gutter talk because Obama has proven himself decidedly unserious with core constituency of takers who do not want to hear discussion of entitlement reform. But the reality is that we can not afford four more years of experimentation in socialism.

Happy Nomad on August 13, 2012 at 8:51 AM

Bowles pegged it. This is what we like about Ryan.

kelley in virginia on August 13, 2012 at 8:52 AM

i bet the VP debate will have ratings off the chart!

kelley in virginia on August 13, 2012 at 8:53 AM

Awesome. So Ryan votes along the lines of Obama and Biden (TARP, auto bailouts, CEO bonuses, raising the debt ceiling), and now he has Erskine Bowles praising his budget.

Yet no “conservative” will stop and think, “hmm… something is wrong here.”

Dante on August 13, 2012 at 8:53 AM

Hmmmmmmmmm. Maybe Erskine Bowles should start studying the undercarriages of buses. Sounds like he may be headed to be thrown under one.

pilamaye on August 13, 2012 at 8:54 AM

One should not come away with the impression that Bowles supports the Ryan budget. However, it’s clear that Bowles has a great deal more respect for Ryan’s efforts than he does for Barack Obama’s.

Then why would he even consider becoming Treasury Secretary, especially knowing that his ideas wouldn’t even get a hearing from the sh*t-stain in the Oval Office? Either he thinks the force of his will would overcome Obama’s or he’d just be padding his resume.

swinia sutki on August 13, 2012 at 8:55 AM

ed,
he “balances” the budget in 2053…..36 years after he leaves this job….no, its not a serious attempt at addressing our problems…
you can only do what you can do in four years. at the most. get real man.

standupandbecounted on August 13, 2012 at 8:55 AM

How long before Axelwad explains what Bowles really meant. Sure looks like a case of “out of context” to me.

RickinNH on August 13, 2012 at 8:56 AM

is this a comparison contrast? while depicting Ryan as sensible, honest and serious, what does that make Obama???? the opposite?

ted c on August 13, 2012 at 8:47 AM

Throwing some real softballs this morning ted!

The real question is whether or not the Obama campaign will get serious. They clearly are going to attack Ryan’s plan- they hadn’t even read it before they were out there attacking it. The key is going to be the responses put out by Romney’s surrogates and I fear that they aren’t as up to the task as they will need to be.

Happy Nomad on August 13, 2012 at 8:56 AM

Bowles even tweaks Obama for dishonestly attempting to evade a true comparison and for back-loading cuts in order to claim $4 trillion in reductions over 12 years.

Obama and his cronies are shameless lying scum.

petefrt on August 13, 2012 at 8:56 AM

Anything that allows the progressive evil of wealth transfer from one generation to another to continue is going to be viewed favorably. It is that evil that debasses the people and makes them more succeptable to more and more progressive ideas. Ryan is not on our side.

astonerii on August 13, 2012 at 8:57 AM

It is not even that painful or unbearable. The Ryan plan looks sensible and moderate compared to the Sequester Barack is wanting to use as a lever to get massive tax hikes after reelection. Budget making(well except for Harry reid) is not supposed to be a game of chicken, waiting until Barack doesn’t pay the US military for sh*ts and giggles to get his way…..

we are SUPPOSED to have plans and policy.

harlekwin15 on August 13, 2012 at 8:57 AM

Obama, Biden, and Bowles, would not support this plan

But vote for Ryan! Dems love him!

Dante on August 13, 2012 at 8:57 AM

How long before Axelwad explains what Bowles really meant. Sure looks like a case of “out of context” to me.

RickinNH on August 13, 2012 at 8:56 AM

Who cares about Bowles? You know Romney once might have been part of shaving some kids head and he put his dog on the roof of his car and he killed some steel mill worker’s wife etc.

Happy Nomad on August 13, 2012 at 8:57 AM

What kind of budget would Bowles support?

listens2glenn on August 13, 2012 at 8:47 AM

Presumably the one the Simpson-Bowles committee produced, which Obama ignored entirely.

Ed Morrissey on August 13, 2012 at 8:48 AM

In other words, one that takes just over 20% of GDP in revenues and spends 22% of GDP.

Steve Eggleston on August 13, 2012 at 8:58 AM

Anything that allows the progressive evil of wealth transfer from one generation to another to continue is going to be viewed favorably. It is that evil that debasses the people and makes them more succeptable to more and more progressive ideas. Ryan is not on our side.

astonerii on August 13, 2012 at 8:57 AM

Take what we can get, or get taken by them totally.

Barry, Harry, and Nan are not fooling around they get the bobsled course it is over this time…..

they will NOT wait since they grasp the people will punish them quickly at the voting booth.

Barack Obama just said he wants to do for every US business what he did for Detroit….

that is as scary as the impact of an EMP burst to me.

harlekwin15 on August 13, 2012 at 8:59 AM

No offense, but when CONGRESS and the RULING CLASS start living by the same rules, and feeling the same pain and dealing with the same crapola that we (the serfs) have to deal with…..

…..then I’ll listen to what they have to say about almost anything. Until then, you privileged ilk, enjoy your perks.

PappyD61 on August 13, 2012 at 8:59 AM

Wow. Well, Axelrod and company need to drag him into a room and flog him until he recants!

TarheelBen on August 13, 2012 at 8:59 AM

ed,
he “balances” the budget in 2053…..36 years after he leaves this job….no, its not a serious attempt at addressing our problems…
you can only do what you can do in four years. at the most. get real man.

standupandbecounted on August 13, 2012 at 8:55 AM

Based on 2009 numbers. WHen he gets around to actually writing up the new numbers, it will be 2153. It is worse than we thought. Remember the money that the House was going to cut from the budget when the Republicans were voted into power? It ended up actually bing an increase in spending, because well… well… um, LOOK A BIRDIE!

astonerii on August 13, 2012 at 8:59 AM

Q: What’s three really good reason to be excited about Paul Ryan?

A:

Obama, Biden, and Bowles, would not support this plan

Dante on August 13, 2012 at 8:57 AM

Happy Nomad on August 13, 2012 at 9:00 AM

In other words, one that takes just over 20% of GDP in revenues and spends 22% of GDP.

Steve Eggleston on August 13, 2012 at 8:58 AM

Do you prefer 168 billion dollar deficits or 1.7 trillion and rising deficits?

That is the realistic choice of what we can do right now.

Ryan wants to wean people off the $uper$tate

harlekwin15 on August 13, 2012 at 9:00 AM

oops format fail

harlekwin15 on August 13, 2012 at 9:01 AM

Anything that allows the progressive evil of wealth transfer from one generation to another to continue is going to be viewed favorably. It is that evil that debasses the people and makes them more succeptable to more and more progressive ideas. Ryan is not on our side.

astonerii on August 13, 2012 at 8:57 AM

Hey! Don’t you know that he’s a fiscal conservative and has an ‘R’ after his name! Of course he’s on our side!

Dante on August 13, 2012 at 9:01 AM

I see the Ronulans have gotten up early this morning.

Ed Morrissey on August 13, 2012 at 9:01 AM

What kind of budget would Bowles support?

listens2glenn on August 13, 2012 at 8:47 AM

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Presumably the one the Simpson-Bowles committee produced, which Obama ignored entirely.

Ed Morrissey on August 13, 2012 at 8:48 AM

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Okay. Obviously not a “conservative” budget (the way we would define it), but better than NO budget.

listens2glenn on August 13, 2012 at 9:02 AM

because well… well… um, LOOK A BIRDIE!

astonerii on August 13, 2012 at 8:59 AM

Yeah hey….I am a military spouse….

I like being paid thanks….also the American people evidently don’t mind the Searchlight Stalker not turning in his homework assignment enough to flip Congress…..

You are not bargaining with sane people.

harlekwin15 on August 13, 2012 at 9:02 AM

Okay. Obviously not a “conservative” budget (the way we would define it), but better than NO budget.

listens2glenn on August 13, 2012 at 9:02 AM

You got it, we need to take what we can get.

harlekwin15 on August 13, 2012 at 9:03 AM

Take what we can get, or get taken by them totally.

Barry, Harry, and Nan are not fooling around they get the bobsled course it is over this time…..

they will NOT wait since they grasp the people will punish them quickly at the voting booth.

Barack Obama just said he wants to do for every US business what he did for Detroit….

that is as scary as the impact of an EMP burst to me.

harlekwin15 on August 13, 2012 at 8:59 AM

Take what we can get… Pretty much sums up my argument. THanks.

The whole plan at this point by you and your kind is to put off the day of reckoning that MUST and WILL happen, and lay it upon the shoulders of someone else. That is EVIL.

astonerii on August 13, 2012 at 9:03 AM

For Progs:

If Ryan is an extreme right-winger and his proposals are so unpopular, how has he won election seven times in a Democratic district?

His lowest share of the vote was 57% — in his first race. He routinely wins over two-thirds of the vote.

When Obama swept the nation in 2008, he carried Ryan’s district by 4 points. But at the same time, Ryan won reelection with 65% of the vote, meaning that 20% of Obama voters also voted for Paul Ryan.

Resist We Much on August 13, 2012 at 8:49 AM

That’s excellent information. Couldn’t you attribute it to its source–at least when you copy it in almost verbatim?

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/313732/smart-democrats-should-be-worried-john-fund

From Fund’s post:

First, if Ryan is an extremist and his proposals are so unpopular, how has he won election seven times in a Democratic district? His lowest share of the vote was 57 percent — in his first race. He routinely wins over two-thirds of the vote. When Obama swept the nation in 2008, he carried Ryan’s district by four points. But at the same time, Ryan won reelection with 65 percent of the vote, meaning that a fifth of Obama voters also voted for him.

BuckeyeSam on August 13, 2012 at 9:03 AM

harlekwin15 on August 13, 2012 at 9:00 AM

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oops format fail

harlekwin15
on August 13, 2012 at 9:01 AM

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That just puts you in goooood company. : )

listens2glenn on August 13, 2012 at 9:04 AM

Extreme = 6 trillion in debt in four years
Extreme = Slashing 700 billion from Medicare and then rationing the
hell out of it with the 15-member IPAB board.
Extreme = Not passing an actual budget in over three years.

And on, and on . . .

TarheelBen on August 13, 2012 at 9:04 AM

Hey! Don’t you know that he’s a fiscal conservative and has an ‘R’ after his name! Of course he’s on our side!

Dante on August 13, 2012 at 9:01 AM

Ryan will also build fences to keep us all enslaved!

Bishop on August 13, 2012 at 9:05 AM

I have my own problems with the Simpson-Bowles plan but at least it was a plan that took the fiscal cliff seriously, rather than the Obama Whistle-Past-the Graveyard approach.

FuzzyLogic on August 13, 2012 at 9:05 AM

Erskine Bowles says Ryan budget “sensible … honest, serious”

GET OUT!!!

Well, que the Dems taking this guy to the woodshed!

ToddPA on August 13, 2012 at 9:05 AM

I see the Ronulans have gotten up early this morning.

Ed Morrissey on August 13, 2012 at 9:01 AM

I see you’re still carrying water for the establishment.

Dante on August 13, 2012 at 9:05 AM

I see the Ronulans have gotten up early this morning.

Ed Morrissey on August 13, 2012 at 9:01 AM

Yes it is Ed, this if anything is what will doom us into a Tunguska like impact economically. The Paulnuts and the Tru Cons demanding we fix things in a week. The US has been addicted to wealth transfers for about 70 years now…..undo that too quickly and we are liable to lurch left again as there are plenty of otherwise conservative moderates who feel by the hammering of time that we “must do something” and have this hooribly bloated Federal $uper$tate.

I don’t buy it, but I know that plenty in our caucus do.

You “end the fed” tomorrow types will further empower Barack.

Choose but stop lobbying us to follow you over the cliff.

harlekwin15 on August 13, 2012 at 9:06 AM

ed that arrogance and ignorance is what will doom the republican party. you are a bright guy who has yet to wake up…we told you not to run romney we told you not to run ryan. you are about to get what you deserve.

standupandbecounted on August 13, 2012 at 9:06 AM

You see, when a Democrat loses or throws out his daily Democratic talking points paper, he can actually perform a rare act – tell the truth.

Mr. Bowles will pay the price though. The purveyors of lies (MSM and Dem talking heads) will attack unmercifully or, Mr. Bowles will be explaining away his statement.

iamsaved on August 13, 2012 at 9:06 AM

Bush did the same thing that Ryan’s plan does. He saw that there was a bubble building in the housing market, and instead of cutting it off early when it would be only a mild irritant, it was politically expedient to just let it grow unmanageable. The housing burst was a tiny little spec compared to what will happen when the house of flimsy cards we are building up today finally collapses. If only we can not feel the pain today, save us Ryan, please make the day of reckoning come after I die!

astonerii on August 13, 2012 at 9:07 AM

OK, but what about Romney’s budget???
Make it -crystal- clear what the difference is, then run unapologetically, unabashedly on that. There is no reason for the voter to be confused. Don’t becloud the issues. Make this a choice election between left, and right. This we win. Don’t allow the election to migrate in non-ideological terms: that we are going to lose with Romney.

anotherJoe on August 13, 2012 at 9:08 AM

I have my own problems with the Simpson-Bowles plan but at least it was a plan that took the fiscal cliff seriously, rather than the Obama Whistle-Past-the Graveyard approach.

FuzzyLogic on August 13, 2012 at 9:05 AM

You’re being very very generous.

The Ogabe Searchlight Stalker method is Thelma and Louise…..

The House GOP simply will not ever throw the US military under the bus, and Barack threatens that every time he is called on hard to calm down on spending.

harlekwin15 on August 13, 2012 at 9:08 AM

Is the country really ready to entertain a serious debate? 52% voted for Oblamer, 95% of all blacks support him, 48% pay no Fed. Inc. taxes, 800K illegals been given a free ride, highest # of folks ever on some Federal program blessed by the Pres., 99 weeks of unempl benefits, “free” healthcare, etc.

“People vote their pocketbooks”–yup, the workers have filled up the moochers’ wallets.

I pray in earnest for a great awakening.

hillsoftx on August 13, 2012 at 9:08 AM

ed that arrogance and ignorance is what will doom the republican party. you are a bright guy who has yet to wake up…we told you not to run romney we told you not to run ryan. you are about to get what you deserve.

standupandbecounted on August 13, 2012 at 9:06 AM

If only we could run Ron Paul and George Washington….that’s win easily….

well except for one guy being a zombie and the Other being a man raised from the dead after what 220 years or so….

harlekwin15 on August 13, 2012 at 9:09 AM

we told you not to run romney we told you not to run ryan. you are about to get what you deserve.

standupandbecounted on August 13, 2012 at 9:06 AM

The primary’s over, and has been for four months. Wake up and get serious. I’m willing to take incremental improvement over rapid decline. If you’re not, then don’t be surprised when we don’t take you seriously.

Ed Morrissey on August 13, 2012 at 9:10 AM

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What kind of budget would Bowles support?

listens2glenn on August 13, 2012 at 8:47 AM

Probably one that retains Obamacare.

ghostwriter on August 13, 2012 at 9:10 AM

I pray in earnest for a great awakening.

hillsoftx on August 13, 2012 at 9:08 AM

You don’t roll out of bed and run a Marathon straight away at once your heart would explode….

I think we are waking up, let’s start walking before we start sprinting.

harlekwin15 on August 13, 2012 at 9:10 AM

standupandbecounted on August 13, 2012 at 9:06 AM

He doesn’t care. He’s endorsed Santorum, who bragged about funding Planned Parenthood. Now he’s gung ho over a big government, market interventionist ticket that voted for TARP, the bailouts, confiscating CEO bonuses, Medicare Part D, SCHIP expansion, stimulus, allowing presidential appointments without Senate confirmation, etc.

Dante on August 13, 2012 at 9:11 AM

Do you prefer 168 billion dollar deficits or 1.7 trillion and rising deficits?

That is the realistic choice of what we can do right now.

Ryan wants to wean people off the $uper$tate

harlekwin15 on August 13, 2012 at 9:00 AM

The other part of the various Ryan plans – get America nearly debt-free by the time he (and I) are old men.

Steve Eggleston on August 13, 2012 at 9:11 AM

The primary’s over, and has been for four months. Wake up and get serious. I’m willing to take incremental improvement over rapid decline. If you’re not, then don’t be surprised when we don’t take you seriously.

Ed Morrissey on August 13, 2012 at 9:10 AM

Indeed, you and I have our disagreements Cap’n but once the die is cast and the command is given it is time to follow one voice.

harlekwin15 on August 13, 2012 at 9:11 AM

hey dummy we could have run ron paul…silly neocon.

standupandbecounted on August 13, 2012 at 9:12 AM

The other part of the various Ryan plans – get America nearly debt-free by the time he (and I) are old men.

Steve Eggleston on August 13, 2012 at 9:11 AM

I WANT to fix it quick, but realize we probably lack the will in our own caucus let alone Barack’s…..

we didn’t get 220 trillion in the hole overnight, and we sure as hell do not want to get out of that hole overnight either.

harlekwin15 on August 13, 2012 at 9:13 AM

hey dummy we could have run ron paul…silly neocon.

standupandbecounted on August 13, 2012 at 9:12 AM

or LaRouche.

harlekwin15 on August 13, 2012 at 9:13 AM

The primary’s over, and has been for four months. Wake up and get serious. I’m willing to take incremental improvement over rapid decline. If you’re not, then don’t be surprised when we don’t take you seriously.

Ed Morrissey on August 13, 2012 at 9:10 AM

You aren’t offering any improvement, let alone incremental improvement. You are offering status quo. But go ahead and keep voting for Republicans and pretend they’re going to do anything different.

I’m the one who wishes to stop the direction we’ve been heading in and save the country. You are the one who continues to vote for the destroyers who have brought us to where we are today.

Your Republican administrations – every single one of them – have grown government; have increased spending; have increased the debt and deficits; have raised taxes; have given us Souter, Roberts, Obamacare, the TSA, the DHS, amnesty; unconstitutional wars; infringements on liberty; mafia-like extortion of the states. The list goes on and on, and none of it is limited, Constitutional government. None of it. Yet YOU want to keep voting for these destroyers. You think Romney and Ryan are going to do anything different than any Republican administration over the last, say, 60 years? Don’t make me laugh.

You tell me how voting for Romney/Ryan is going to stop the growth of Leviathan. You tell me how voting for Romney/Ryan is going to resotre our infringed rights and return us to limited government. You tell me how voting for Romney/Ryan is going to prevent something like Obamacare or Kelo or Sitz. You tell me how voting Republican is going to change ANYTHING, when I have nothing but history to throw in your face and prove otherwise.

Dante on August 13, 2012 at 9:15 AM

Yes, but Brad Plumer over at the Washington post says Ryan’s budget will “have planes falling from the sky” (sarc)

Back in March, I asked Third Way’s budget expert David Kendall if he could update some of his numbers for Ryan’s budget. Under Ryan’s plan, for instance, spending on transportation would be 26.1 percent lower in 2014 than it is today. If that size cut was applied to, say, air-traffic control programs, Kendall noted, “there would be 3,092 more flight cancellations and 68,683 delays annually. At the U.S. average of 49 passengers per flight, that’s enough to strand 151,503 more people at the gate and make 3,365,685 more people late every year.” link

Mr. Plumer forgot to mention that planes will literally fall from the sky. While this post creatively produces numbers, (by David Kendall) that claims what Paul Ryan’s budget “might do”, the Obama Budget, (that Mr. Plumer fails completely to define or articulate) was rejected three times by his controlled U.S. Senate—-once by a 97-0 vote. Why was it rejected? Because Obama’s budget produces uncontrollable spending that adds trillions to the debt and deficits, AND, shows no path to restraining the overall growth of the federal government. Oh, wait! If we tax the rich, all this will balance out and presto, no more deficits.

Rovin on August 13, 2012 at 9:15 AM

The other part of the various Ryan plans – get America nearly debt-free by the time he (and I) are old men.

Steve Eggleston on August 13, 2012 at 9:11 AM

He uses fairly conservative estimates for GDP growth. I suspect that his projections are pretty conservative. At any rate, the next 20 years, or so, are going to be tough because of the Baby Boomers’ retirements. There really isn’t anything that we can do about thier benefits.

ghostwriter on August 13, 2012 at 9:16 AM

Indeed, you and I have our disagreements Cap’n but once the die is cast and the command is given it is time to follow one voice.

harlekwin15 on August 13, 2012 at 9:11 AM

Wow. Here’s one who wishes to be “commanded,” who publically announces that he is unable and unwilling to think for himself. Your overlords have spoken; they have given their orders, and you must follow them.

Pathetic.

Dante on August 13, 2012 at 9:16 AM

Dante on August 13, 2012 at 9:05 AM

….takeAshitwillYa!

KOOLAID2 on August 13, 2012 at 9:18 AM

hey dummy we could have run ron paul…silly neocon.

standupandbecounted on August 13, 2012 at 9:12 AM

He ran, and he lost. Get over it.

Ed Morrissey on August 13, 2012 at 9:18 AM

You tell me how voting for Romney/Ryan is going to stop the growth of Leviathan. You tell me how voting for Romney/Ryan is going to resotre our infringed rights and return us to limited government. You tell me how voting for Romney/Ryan is going to prevent something like Obamacare or Kelo or Sitz. You tell me how voting Republican is going to change ANYTHING, when I have nothing but history to throw in your face and prove otherwise.

Dante on August 13, 2012 at 9:15 AM

Blah blah blah. The primary has been over for a long time. We have a choice in November between Romney and Obama. If you think there’s no difference between the two, you’ve spent the last four years in a cave.

For the other issues, I’d suggest focusing on Congressional races, which is where the actual problem lies.

Ed Morrissey on August 13, 2012 at 9:21 AM

He ran, and he lost. Get over it.

Ed Morrissey on August 13, 2012 at 9:18 AM

And you tell people to get serious as you toss out juvenile, playground retorts?

Dante on August 13, 2012 at 9:22 AM

Here’s the transcript, if anyone is interested:

“Have any of you met Paul Ryan? We should get him to come to the university. I’m telling you this guy is amazing, uh. I always thought that I was OK with arithmetic, but this guy can run circles around me. And, he is honest. He is straightforward. He is sincere.

And, the budget that he came forward with is just like Paul Ryan. It is a sensible, straightforward, serious budget and it cut the budget deficit by $4 trillion…just like we did.

The President came out with his own plan and the President came out, as you will remember,
with a budget and I don’t think anyone took that budget very seriously. Um, the Senate voted against it 97 to nothing. He, therefore, after a lot of pressure from folks like me, he came out with a new budget framework and, in the new budget framework, he cut the budget deficit by $4 trillion over 12 years. And, to be candid, this $4 trillion cut was very heavily back-end loaded. So, if you looked at it on a 10 year basis and compared apples-to-apples, it was about a $2.5 trillion cut.”

- Erskine Bowles, Democratic Chairperson of Obama’s National Commission on Fiscal Responsibility and Reform,White House Chief of Staff, Clinton’s Administrator of the Small Business Administration, President of the University of North Carolina, life-long Democrat, University of North Carolina, 8 September 2011

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=dbzpuqWo6yU

Resist We Much on August 13, 2012 at 9:23 AM

And you tell people to get serious as you toss out juvenile, playground retorts?

Dante on August 13, 2012 at 9:22 AM

Yes, I treated his “dummy” comment with all the seriousness it deserved, and with a lot more courtesy, too.

Ed Morrissey on August 13, 2012 at 9:23 AM

Blah blah blah. The primary has been over for a long time. We have a choice in November between Romney and Obama. If you think there’s no difference between the two, you’ve spent the last four years in a cave.

For the other issues, I’d suggest focusing on Congressional races, which is where the actual problem lies.

Ed Morrissey on August 13, 2012 at 9:21 AM

“Blah, blah, blah”? Is this more seriousness from someone who is embracing big government? Party over principle, and party over country and Constitution, that’s what you have?

Grow up, drop the either/or fallacies. Focus on ideas instead of people, then. Take some time to learn von Mises, Hoppe, Rothbard, Hazlitt.

Dante on August 13, 2012 at 9:25 AM

He didn’t lose, Ed. No convention yet.

Hey paultards,,,, he QUIT.

wolly4321 on August 13, 2012 at 9:26 AM

I see the Ronulans have gotten up early this morning.

Ed Morrissey on August 13, 2012 at 9:01 AM

Fortunately, with the dip in Obama enthusiasm, it wont matter when they pout on the sideline in November.

Say, you figure there’s still a floor fight @ the convention?

socalcon on August 13, 2012 at 9:26 AM

Pathetic.

Dante on August 13, 2012 at 9:16 AM

Hey Moby, you want to lead or “be first among equals” you get in there and get the nomination. The die is cast people like me last cycle that hated mcCain so much we held our full support ’til he threw us a bone in Sarah as a sign he took the right flank seriously at all left us vulnerable to the rage campaign levied at a job so easy Joe Biden could do it.

I want to win to at least slow the down the car enough we can turn it around.

At best you are a genuine Paulnut who will wind up helping barack purposefully take us over the cliff….

at worst I suspect you are a plant sent in to disrupt the right to let Ogabe take us over the cliff at light speed.

The die is cast stop trying to get us to undermine our caucus.

harlekwin15 on August 13, 2012 at 9:26 AM

hey dummy we could have run ron paul…silly neocon.

standupandbecounted on August 13, 2012 at 9:12 AM

Um….. The racist idiot did run and proved himself unable to win sufficient primary votes to even get the GOP nomination. What part of that FACT is so damned hard for you Paulbot morons to understand? The man would not win the general election because too many conservatives like me would never vote for a guy who is in favor of isolationism, legalizing drugs, and screwy ideas about the economy.

But here is the thing. The election just turned serious with some substantive issues begining to replace dogs on cars and the sex life of sluts at Georgetown Law. There really isn’t any place for the kind of nonsense you idiots are fomenting.

Happy Nomad on August 13, 2012 at 9:27 AM

Yes, I treated his “dummy” comment with all the seriousness it deserved, and with a lot more courtesy, too.

Ed Morrissey on August 13, 2012 at 9:23 AM

Oh, then it’s ok. So I get “blah, blah, blah” for asking you to tell me how voting for Romney/Ryan is going to stop the growth of Leviathan. For asking you tell me how voting for Romney/Ryan is going to resotre our infringed rights and return us to limited government. For asking you to tell me how voting for Romney/Ryan is going to prevent something like Obamacare or Kelo or Sitz. For asking you tell me how voting Republican is going to change ANYTHING, when I have nothing but history to throw in your face and prove otherwise.

Let’s hear it.

Dante on August 13, 2012 at 9:27 AM

Grow up, drop the either/or fallacies. Focus on ideas instead of people, then. Take some time to learn von Mises, Hoppe, Rothbard, Hazlitt.

Dante on August 13, 2012 at 9:25 AM

“Either/or fallacies”? Last I looked, von Mises, Hoppe, Rothbard, Hazlitt aren’t on the ballot. An election is a choice, and it’s usually either/or.

Want to sit on your hands this November, or vote for Gary Johnson? Go ahead. But if that’s the attitude that Paul backers have, don’t be surprised when no one takes you seriously the next time around, either. Taking your ball and going home is hardly “seriousness,” either, nor is calling me a dummy when I point out that the choice in November is going to be either Romney or four more years of Obama.

Ed Morrissey on August 13, 2012 at 9:29 AM

So everyone here is perfectly fine with means testing medicare?

Cuz that’s what Ryan wants to do – among other things.

HondaV65 on August 13, 2012 at 9:29 AM

Awesome. So Ryan votes along the lines of Obama and Biden (TARP, auto bailouts, CEO bonuses, raising the debt ceiling), and now he has Erskine Bowles praising his budget.

Yet no “conservative” will stop and think, “hmm… something is wrong here.”

Dante on August 13, 2012 at 8:53 AM

You know, I’m getting sick of people here trashing the candidate. Is Ryan perfect? No. But we’re not going to find a perfect candidate, and Ryan’s about as good as they come in the current field. Can we coalesce around a collection of good candidates and remove Obama from office, or are we going to stab each other in the back and die while the Dems take another four years?

RationalIcthus on August 13, 2012 at 9:29 AM

So I get “blah, blah, blah” for asking you to tell me how voting for Romney/Ryan is going to stop the growth of Leviathan. For asking you tell me how voting for Romney/Ryan is going to resotre our infringed rights and return us to limited government. For asking you to tell me how voting for Romney/Ryan is going to prevent something like Obamacare or Kelo or Sitz. For asking you tell me how voting Republican is going to change ANYTHING, when I have nothing but history to throw in your face and prove otherwise.

Let’s hear it.

Dante on August 13, 2012 at 9:27 AM

We had this debate in the primaries. You lost. It’s no longer the primaries, and we have the two options on the ballot. If you want to keep arguing over the primaries, then fine, but don’t be surprised if the rest of us keep focusing on reality and ignore you.

Ed Morrissey on August 13, 2012 at 9:31 AM

Taking your ball and going home is hardly “seriousness,” either, nor is calling me a dummy when I point out that the choice in November is going to be either Romney or four more years of Obama.

Ed Morrissey on August 13, 2012 at 9:29 AM

Not a Paulian here by any stretch of the imagination – but how is refusing to back a sorry candidate equate to “taking your ball and going home?”

I mean – if you want to smear people like that – it’s a good phrase. It hardly fits though.

I don’t remember anyone telling the Hillary folks who voted for McCain that they were a bunch of sore losers – I don’t remember you saying that Ed.

It appears you only reflect this on people who refuse to vote for your guy.

HondaV65 on August 13, 2012 at 9:31 AM

“Either/or fallacies”? Last I looked, von Mises, Hoppe, Rothbard, Hazlitt aren’t on the ballot. An election is a choice, and it’s usually either/or.

Want to sit on your hands this November, or vote for Gary Johnson? Go ahead. But if that’s the attitude that Paul backers have, don’t be surprised when no one takes you seriously the next time around, either. Taking your ball and going home is hardly “seriousness,” either, nor is calling me a dummy when I point out that the choice in November is going to be either Romney or four more years of Obama.

Ed Morrissey on August 13, 2012 at 9:29 AM

Yes, either/or fallacy, “We have a choice in November between Romney and Obama,” and now you’ve added a straw man. I didn’t say that those guys were on the ballot, but candidates other than Big Government R and Big Government D will be.

Perhaps you feel uncomfortable somewhere deep down in yourself, which is preventing you from answering my questions.

Tell me that you call youself a conservative, but you’re going to vote for a guy who voted for TARP, the bailouts, Medicare Part D, raising the debt ceiling. Tell me with a straight face that you’re a conservative and that you’re going to vote Romney/Ryan.

Dante on August 13, 2012 at 9:35 AM

BuckeyeSam on August 13, 2012 at 9:03 AM

Sorry, accidentally left off the link in the C&P:

Smart Democrats Should Be Worried

http://predicthistunpredictpast.blogspot.com/2012/08/smart-democrats-should-be-worried.html

M2RB: Judas Priest

As you will see, it says “By John Fund…”

Resist We Much on August 13, 2012 at 9:37 AM

So everyone here is perfectly fine with means testing medicare?

Cuz that’s what Ryan wants to do – among other things.

HondaV65 on August 13, 2012 at 9:29 AM

Nobody over 54 will be hit at worst…..

we CANNOT afford to meet the promises……

we need to phase out the “free money” and quit stealing it from our workers and trusting it to ANY politician what is so hard to grasp?

harlekwin15 on August 13, 2012 at 9:37 AM

Ed Morrissey on August 13, 2012 at 9:31 AM

Also – your arguments would hold a bit more weight if the Republicans had even remotely honored their promises to cut government for the last 50 years.

There’s a growing number of us out here, Ed – who are tired of the “promises” to cut government. Every election we’ve gone in and voted for the lesser of two evils and every time we’ve seen government get larger.

It’s a losing game as far as most of us are concerned – and if the GOP can’t field someone serious – then we’ll vote Obama until the sad sacks in the GOP get the message.

HondaV65 on August 13, 2012 at 9:37 AM

We had this debate in the primaries. You lost. It’s no longer the primaries, and we have the two options on the ballot. If you want to keep arguing over the primaries, then fine, but don’t be surprised if the rest of us keep focusing on reality and ignore you.

Ed Morrissey on August 13, 2012 at 9:31 AM

Channeling Obama’s “I won,” sprinkled with fallacies. You’ve really supported your position substantively.

Dante on August 13, 2012 at 9:38 AM

Wow. Here’s one who wishes to be “commanded,” who publically announces that he is unable and unwilling to think for himself. Your overlords have spoken; they have given their orders, and you must follow them.

Pathetic.

Dante on August 13, 2012 at 9:16 AM

Not exactly. Here’s one (myself, that is) who recognizes the political reality we face, despite my own personal disagreement with the candidates. We can unite behind Romney/Ryan, or we can stand in the corner with a poopy face, yelling that Mommy got me a red lollipop instead of a green one, to the eternal embarrassment of all around us, and to the joy of Barack Obama, who will see our split vote and raise us another four years.

RationalIcthus on August 13, 2012 at 9:39 AM

But here is the thing. The election just turned serious with some substantive issues begining to replace dogs on cars and the sex life of sluts at Georgetown Law. There really isn’t any place for the kind of nonsense you idiots are fomenting.

Happy Nomad on August 13, 2012 at 9:27 AM

They’d rather watch the republic burn than lose….

sort of like the true believer Obamabots and not the Hopium types….

we’ll find out where the nation is going this cycle….

plan accordingly.

harlekwin15 on August 13, 2012 at 9:39 AM

When Obama swept the nation in 2008, he carried Ryan’s district by 4 points. But at the same time, Ryan won reelection with 65% of the vote, meaning that 20% of Obama voters also voted for Paul Ryan.

Resist We Much on August 13, 2012 at 8:49 AM

RWM, you know what Mr. Romney knows. Landslide. Obama government buried under an avalanche.

texacalirose on August 13, 2012 at 9:39 AM

Nobody over 54 will be hit at worst…..

we CANNOT afford to meet the promises……

we need to phase out the “free money” and quit stealing it from our workers and trusting it to ANY politician what is so hard to grasp?

harlekwin15 on August 13, 2012 at 9:37 AM

So you’re going to cut Social Security and Medicare before you’ve defunded NPR and PBS and Planned Parenthood.

And yeah – I realize that those orgs get a minimum amount – I’m just wondering how you’re going to tell Conservatives their medicare is getting hit but you’re going to keep funding for those liberal orgs.

How ya gonna do dat?

HondaV65 on August 13, 2012 at 9:40 AM

You know, I’m getting sick of people here trashing the candidate. Is Ryan perfect? No. But we’re not going to find a perfect candidate, and Ryan’s about as good as they come in the current field. Can we coalesce around a collection of good candidates and remove Obama from office, or are we going to stab each other in the back and die while the Dems take another four years?

RationalIcthus on August 13, 2012 at 9:29 AM

I am well beyond sick of people excusing candidates progressive natures to continue to the debassing of the America I love and pushing it along the path to total destruction. I am sick of people who call themselves conservatives who have not a single clue of what conservative really is. The country is in a hole and the only thing people like you are concerned with is whether we can keep digging deeper and somehow avoid the bedrock that is absolutely 100% in our path.

astonerii on August 13, 2012 at 9:40 AM

Channeling Obama’s “I won,” sprinkled with fallacies. You’ve really supported your position substantively.

Dante on August 13, 2012 at 9:38 AM

Um, we have representative democracy for a reason champ and the 2 party system is the ONLY thing that saved us from being like EUrope where the workers’ destroyed the nation in the chase for 30 hour work weeks.

Go try to light firebreaks for Obama elsewhere Moby.

harlekwin15 on August 13, 2012 at 9:41 AM

Tell me that you call youself a conservative, but you’re going to vote for a guy who voted for TARP, the bailouts, Medicare Part D, raising the debt ceiling. Tell me with a straight face that you’re a conservative and that you’re going to vote Romney/Ryan.

Dante on August 13, 2012 at 9:35 AM

My face is very straight. I’m a conservative, and I’m going to vote for Romney/Ryan. What’s my alternative?

RationalIcthus on August 13, 2012 at 9:41 AM

Hey! Don’t you know that he’s a fiscal conservative and has an ‘R’ after his name! Of course he’s on our side!

Dante on August 13, 2012 at 9:01 AM

Well what’s the freaken alternative? Howard Johnson? What level of he!! are you on Dante?

Vince on August 13, 2012 at 9:42 AM

I am well beyond sick of people excusing candidates progressive natures to continue to the debassing of the America I love and pushing it along the path to total destruction. I am sick of people who call themselves conservatives who have not a single clue of what conservative really is. The country is in a hole and the only thing people like you are concerned with is whether we can keep digging deeper and somehow avoid the bedrock that is absolutely 100% in our path.

astonerii on August 13, 2012 at 9:40 AM

I hear you, but what’s the alternative to voting for Romney/Ryan? Help me understand.

RationalIcthus on August 13, 2012 at 9:43 AM

My face is very straight. I’m a conservative, and I’m going to vote for Romney/Ryan. What’s my alternative?

RationalIcthus on August 13, 2012 at 9:41 AM

That’s really what it comes down to – you have no other alternative do you?

Which is why – like a slave – you’ll continue to vote for the Ayatollahs of the GOP elite because, just like the last 20 years – they’ll ensure you have NO OTHER alternative but to vote for their soppy sad candidate – who will grow government when he gets in.

LET’S HERE IT FOR PATRIOTISM AND THOSE WHO VOTE!

Yay?

HondaV65 on August 13, 2012 at 9:44 AM

How ya gonna do dat?

HondaV65 on August 13, 2012 at 9:40 AM

We’ll spare those of you who cannot fight your way back up to self-sufficency the pain…..??

Or is “burn the house down as long as I GET MINE!!!! Okay as long as it is Soc Sec, and medicare?

We were ALL sold a con by FDR and LBJ but we cannot fix the cost of their sin overnight…..

I am 40 I will get screwed, but maybe my son will know before he is midway that the entire socialist superstate is a lie and plan accordingly…..and my grandson will have to read a history book to see an America that lied SO HARD to every man woman and child she shepherded…..

I’ll take what I can get not yell and soil myself for what I want.

harlekwin15 on August 13, 2012 at 9:44 AM

My face is very straight. I’m a conservative, and I’m going to vote for Romney/Ryan. What’s my alternative?

RationalIcthus on August 13, 2012 at 9:41 AM

Your alternative is to walk the walk instead of just talking the talk. Your alternative is to not vote for Big Government, whether it’s Obama/Biden or Romney/Ryan. Look at the other candidates. Inform yourself. Who would use the veto pen? Who would uphold the Constitution?

Dante on August 13, 2012 at 9:45 AM

That’s really what it comes down to – you have no other alternative do you?

Which is why – like a slave – you’ll continue to vote for the Ayatollahs of the GOP elite because, just like the last 20 years – they’ll ensure you have NO OTHER alternative but to vote for their soppy sad candidate – who will grow government when he gets in.

LET’S HERE IT FOR PATRIOTISM AND THOSE WHO VOTE!

Yay?

HondaV65 on August 13, 2012 at 9:44 AM

Honda, what serious alternative do I have?

RationalIcthus on August 13, 2012 at 9:46 AM

Your alternative is to walk the walk instead of just talking the talk. Your alternative is to not vote for Big Government, whether it’s Obama/Biden or Romney/Ryan. Look at the other candidates. Inform yourself. Who would use the veto pen? Who would uphold the Constitution?

Dante on August 13, 2012 at 9:45 AM

Let me rephrase the question. WHO is my alternative?

RationalIcthus on August 13, 2012 at 9:46 AM

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