Oh, by the way, the Muslim Brotherhood just completed its takeover of Egypt

posted at 8:15 pm on August 13, 2012 by Allahpundit

Such is the power of Ryanmania that only now are we getting around to this story.

Remember how the military junta was going to keep Egypt’s new Islamist president on a tight leash?

Mohamed Morsi, Egypt’s president, has dismissed the head of the armed forces and defence minister, Field Marshal Mohamed Hussein Tantawi, according to the country’s state news agency…

Yasser Ali, the presidential spokesperson, said in a news conference aired on state TV on Sunday, that Morsi appointed a new defence minister, Abdel-Fattah el-Sissi.

Tantawi headed the military council that ruled Egypt for 17 months after Hosni Mubarak stepped down in February 2011…

Al Jazeera’s correspondent, Sherine Tadros, reporting from Cairo, said the president’s spokesperson made the surprising announcement on state television.

Morsi tried confronting the junta a month ago by calling parliament back into session after the Egyptian supreme court ruled that it had been unconstitutionally elected. That gambit was a test of strength, but it didn’t lead to any sustained push against the military by the MB so I thought Morsi had backed down and resigned himself to power-sharing for awhile. Wrong. Evidently, he was just lying low and picking his spots. That spot came last week when 16 Egyptian troops were killed by jihadis in the Sinai peninsula; that was Morsi’s pretext to fire the country’s intelligence chief, who was well regarded by U.S. and Israeli intelligence. And yes, needless to say, the fact that an Islamist president ended up benefiting politically from an attack by Islamist militants does indeed feel awfully convenient.

Having gotten away with dumping the intel chief, Morsi apparently decided it was time to play for the jackpot and dump Tantawi, the leader of the junta, too. Question: Er, how was he able to do that? Tantawi was the military’s supreme commander, which means either (a) he was willing to be removed and told his subordinates not to resist Morsi’s order or (b) he tried to resist but his subordinates sided with Morsi. The latter theory isn’t unthinkable: The junta is fantastically unpopular with the public and the Sinai attack was an embarrassment to Tantawi, so maybe the rest of the brass decided a shake-up was in order. Most of the commentary I’ve read today, though, agrees with the first theory, that Tantawi knew Egypt was descending into chaos and decided it was time to make a deal with the Brotherhood for a luxurious retirement. Rather than watch the country descend into a Syrian nightmare, with himself in the Assad role, Tantawi figured he was better off tossing Morsi the keys in return for the Brotherhood’s promise of immunity for crimes committed by the junta over the past 18 months. Either way, according to the AP, the army seems to be fine with Morsi’s move, possibly because some of the military officers newly elevated by Morsi are Islamist “sleepers” who’ve been waiting for the party to make a move like this on the generals.

The upshot, per Barry Rubin, means that we now have a de facto Islamist dictator in charge of the most important Sunni state in the Middle East:

Does he have a right to do this? Who knows? There’s no constitution. That means all we were told about not having to worry because the generals would restrain the Brotherhood was false. Moreover, the idea that the army, and hence the government, may fear to act lest they lose U.S. aid will also be false. There is no parliament at present. He is now the democratically elected dictator of Egypt. True, he picked another career officer but he has now put forward the principle: he decides who runs the army. The generals can still advise Mursi. He can choose to listen to them or not. But there is no more dual power in Egypt but only one leader. The Supreme Council of the Armed Forces which has run Egypt since February 2011 is gone. Only Mursi remains and Egypt is now at his mercy.

Oh and to put the icing on the cake, Mursi will apparently decide who will be on the commission that writes the new Constitution

This is a coup. Mursi is bound by no constitution. He can do as he pleases unless someone is going to stop him. And the only candidate–the military–is fading fast, far faster than even we pessimists would have predicted.

Morsi controls state media too, of course. And even if he decides not to rule as an absolute dictator, the Brotherhood-dominated parliament will end up acting as a rubber stamp. Near as I can tell, unless there’s some sort of new military power hiding behind the throne that approved of Tantawi’s dismissal and is prepared to pull the strings of government, there are only two real restraints on Morsi right now. One is money: The fact that his newly appointed defense minister is well known to the U.S. rather than some Islamist radical suggests that he’s willing to make some concessions to stay in the west’s good graces and keep the foreign aid flowing. The other is the judiciary. The supreme court opposed the Brotherhood once before by invalidating parliament. What happens if they turn around and decide that his firing of Tantawi and his attempt to appoint the new constitutional committee are both illegal? Possibly anticipating that, Morsi went ahead and named a top Egyptian judge his new vice president too, signaling to the judiciary that if they play ball with the Brotherhood’s new power grab, there’s something in it for them.

The last potential roadblock here is a popular backlash against the MB’s consolidation of power, but we heard lots of stories about that before the presidential election and Morsi won anyway. At the very least, I’d bet Egyptians are willing to give “democracy,” Islamist style, a shot for awhile before dreaming of a new junta. Exit question: Any reaction from the White House on this? If there’s been some strong objection, I missed it.


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Democratic Arab Spring?
Oh no!
MSM?

KOOLAID2 on August 13, 2012 at 8:17 PM

Right on schedule…
Take a bow Obama…

Electrongod on August 13, 2012 at 8:18 PM

Hillary?

KOOLAID2 on August 13, 2012 at 8:18 PM

This is the product of the Light Bringer’s work…

d1carter on August 13, 2012 at 8:18 PM

el-Sissi

Perfect name for an arab defense minister.

jaime on August 13, 2012 at 8:18 PM

SURPRISE! /

thatsafactjack on August 13, 2012 at 8:19 PM

One of their top agendas is to eradicate the Giza pyramids and the Sphinx.

nitzsche on August 13, 2012 at 8:19 PM

Cut off all U.S. aid to Egypt immediately and let their economy collapse. Better to have chaos in Egypt than Islamist dictators.

Lawdawg86 on August 13, 2012 at 8:22 PM

Obama’s other constituents..

PatriotRider on August 13, 2012 at 8:23 PM

If you put 100 monkeys wearing 3 piece suits in a room for a 100 days, what do you get? The new government of Egypt.

Bishop on August 13, 2012 at 8:24 PM

Ain’t Barry’s “Smart Diplomacy” just great?!

GarandFan on August 13, 2012 at 8:25 PM

Manchurian president. And what’s with Libya? Fighting a war for our enemy, and ticking off Russia and China for naught. And with Syria he’s starting to get involved in that hornets nest, again going to bat for our enemy. Stay out Syria, we need to make that warning clear before O tries to October Surprise it.

anotherJoe on August 13, 2012 at 8:25 PM

Exit question: Any reaction from the White House on this? If there’s been some strong objection, I missed it.

Obama encouraged this from his speech in Cairo..he fully supports this ‘democracy’ movement

Islamic spring at it’s finest( or worst)

sadsushi on August 13, 2012 at 8:25 PM

Oh, by the way, the Muslim Brotherhood just completed its takeover of Egypt

Maybe Lara Logan will do a special report on this topic ,
for 60 Minutes…..

burrata on August 13, 2012 at 8:25 PM

The last potential roadblock here is a popular backlash against the MB’s consolidation of power, but we heard lots of stories about that before the presidential election and Morsi won anyway.

Too many in the west listen to liberal Muslims and think that they are hearing something that runs deep in that society. It doesn’t any more than liberals understand, or represents the US.

sharrukin on August 13, 2012 at 8:25 PM

Exit question: Any reaction from the White House on this? If there’s been some strong objection, I missed it.

Wellll….
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/08/it-figures-huma-abedin-sits-with-muslim-brotherhood-leader-at-obamas-iftar-dinner/

burrata on August 13, 2012 at 8:27 PM

The trolls called us “dictator lovers” because we dared question the logic of forcing US friendly Mubarak to step down. Now, there is a US hating freaking radical Muslim dictator in charge! WE WERE RIGHT!
And, I feel sorry for all the young women that have been raped, murdered and raped after they were murdered. I didn’t vote for Zero.

txhsmom on August 13, 2012 at 8:28 PM

Cut off all U.S. aid to Egypt immediately and let their economy collapse. Better to have chaos in Egypt than Islamist dictators.

Lawdawg86 on August 13, 2012 at 8:22 PM

They borrowed money yesterday.

Qatar Grants Egypt $2 Billion Loan

JPeterman on August 13, 2012 at 8:28 PM

Exit question: Any reaction from the White House on this? If there’s been some strong objection, I missed it.

Why the crickets? This is exactly what Obama wants, another Islamist Fundamentalist dictatorial regime in the Mid-East. He will not rest until they all are such, and Israel is wiped from the face of the earth.

He’s one himself, after all.

TXUS on August 13, 2012 at 8:31 PM

Say goodbye to the Pyramids.

JPeterman on August 13, 2012 at 8:25 PM

Egyptians don’t care. The people who built the pyramids were neither arab nor muslim.

jaime on August 13, 2012 at 8:31 PM

She actually hyphenated her name to Huma Abedin-Weiner.

O_o

o_O

Bishop on August 13, 2012 at 8:31 PM

Any reaction from the White House on this? If there’s been some strong objection, I missed it.

Give Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s chief aid Huma Abedin a call and ask her. She’s got the inside scoop on everything

just ask the Muslim Brotherhood Egyptian President. He’ll vouch for her.

FlatFoot on August 13, 2012 at 8:33 PM

Thanks obama! Now, let the beheadings and forced clitoridectomies begin!

Pork-Chop on August 13, 2012 at 8:33 PM

OK, fine. What business is any of this of the United States? Our “aid” to Egypt is equally mindless. We should stop all aid of all types, and stay out of this nightmarish country. The Egyptians voted for what will shortly be an Islamic, misogynistic, totalitarian state, so they can enjoy it — without our money, of course. The US should stay out of Egypt with the proviso that we will expect full transit rights through the Suez Canal — which we have the military power to guaranty for ourselves. But other than this, Egypt has nothing to offer anyone. Nothing.

Nothing.

Rogervzv on August 13, 2012 at 8:33 PM

The system worked, and it’s a religion of peace.

SparkPlug on August 13, 2012 at 8:35 PM

Why would an American President…..support the overthrow of governments of pro U.S. Tunisia, Libya, Egypt, and encourage radical Islamic terror groups or terror friendly leaders to takeover?

Why would an American President support now the collapse of the Syrian government when he knows that EVEN MORE RADICAL Islamic terror loving group will take control?

Why would an American President vote “present” and allow Iranian freedom lovers like Neda be ground into dust by Mullahs in Iran?

Why would an American President allow Israel to be surrounded by even worse terror?

Why?

PappyD61 on August 13, 2012 at 8:36 PM

Any reaction from the White House on this? If there’s been some strong objection, I missed it.

probably approval, Obama is a big fan of the Muslim Brotherhood, as he has many of their operatives in his administration, but since we can’t talk about the Islamic boogyeman here on hotair for fear of being “politically incorrect” and have banned any bloggers such as atlasshrugs from posting here, then i guess some people might not know that

golembythehudson on August 13, 2012 at 8:36 PM

HEY BILL KRISTOL !

WHAT D’YA THINK OF THEM APPLES ?

( crickets chirping )

listens2glenn on August 13, 2012 at 8:37 PM

It’s a temporary move on the way to a full purge of the military. Morsi keeps some of the officer corps who’ve been working with the USA for decades to keep aid flowing.

Of course, if Obama is reelected, the aid won’t stop and he can do as he pleases. But if Romney wins, he may be able to play for time as the new President won’t want to immediately precipitate a foreign crisis when he will need to ride a mandate to fix our fiscal and economic problems at home.

Adjoran on August 13, 2012 at 8:38 PM

This is not going to end well.

rbj on August 13, 2012 at 8:39 PM

I suspect Morsi will consolidate power before he makes more moves. I think reinstating the parliament will come first. Eventually he will purge the officer corps but not right away. Israel still has time to strike Iran without Egypt entering into a Western front war with them.

KW64 on August 13, 2012 at 8:41 PM

That Cairo Speech, can you believe just how powerful it was? Man, Lincoln and MLK have nothing on TFGRP.

Bishop on August 13, 2012 at 8:42 PM

Mohamed Morsi, Egypt’s president, has dismissed the head of the armed forces and defence minister, Field Marshal Mohamed Hussein Tantawi, according to the country’s state news agency…
=========================================================

I do hope somebody is taking notes,I also wanna see,”SACKINGS”
of Democrats come November 6th!
(sarc).

canopfor on August 13, 2012 at 8:42 PM

One man, one vote.

One time.

And the one time is past.

Curtiss on August 13, 2012 at 8:43 PM

But other than this, Egypt has nothing to offer anyone. Nothing.

Nothing.

Rogervzv on August 13, 2012 at 8:33 PM

Except legalized sex-slavery: http://www.raymondibrahim.com/11952/egypt-sex-slave-marriage

pedestrian on August 13, 2012 at 8:43 PM

And yes, needless to say, the fact that an Islamist president ended up benefiting politically from an attack by Islamist militants does indeed feel awfully convenient.

They acted Fast and Furious, if you dont have a crisis to waste make one.

Morsi controls state media too,

Obama playbook.

the_nile on August 13, 2012 at 8:44 PM

Such is the power of Ryanmania that only now are we getting around
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Tell me about,the news feeds are in saturation news mode,
its been GOP VP Fixation OverLoad,not that there is anything wrong with that!!

canopfor on August 13, 2012 at 8:44 PM

I’m predicting right now, that Mr. Morsi will receive 95% of the vote in the next Egyptian presidential election. If there is one.

Curtiss on August 13, 2012 at 8:45 PM

Exit question: Any reaction from the White House on this? If there’s been some strong objection, I missed it.

Ah ha ha ha ha ha… cut it out man, you’re killin’ me. Hoo boy…

bofh on August 13, 2012 at 8:46 PM

Barack isn’t Spider Man, he’s the frikkin’ 12th Imam!

profitsbeard on August 13, 2012 at 8:46 PM

I do hope somebody is taking notes,I also wanna see,”SACKINGS”
of Democrats come November 6th!

No. I’d prefer jail time for these traitors – or lampposts.

honsy on August 13, 2012 at 8:47 PM

And who do we have to thank for The Muslim Brotherhood taking over in Egypt? None other than our own Muslim in chief, Obama, that’s who.

Who stabbed Mubarak in the back? Obama that’s who.

That was Obama’s imitation of Jimmy Carter stabbing the Shah of Iran in the back. The Shah was a friend and ally of America, but Carter let him go down over some silly accusations of brutality — like there has never been any brutality in the Middle East to keep those people from blowing each other up.

Of course now we have a man in charge of Iran that wants to nuke us and Israel too. Treason is what we always get from Democrats.

Axion on August 13, 2012 at 8:47 PM

liveturdordie…dumbpokeme…….BROTHERS!

KOOLAID2 on August 13, 2012 at 8:47 PM

Qatar Grants Egypt $2 Billion Loan

JPeterman on August 13, 2012 at 8:28 PM

In islamic world, it’s called –
” here is some money ,now let me and my family live for one more year”.
BTW, how do we know it is not US taxpayer money which Hussein+Hillary hawala-ed to the muziebros ?

burrata on August 13, 2012 at 8:48 PM

Civilian control of the military. Who could support that?

urban elitist on August 13, 2012 at 8:48 PM

Seems Obama, Romney, Hillary and McCain got what they wanted. Now everyone has to deal with the aftermath. Israel had better reinforce their missile defenses because Egypt does have a significant and accurate missile force that can strike any place in Israel. Egyptian military industries are building Abrams tanks, M270 MLRS rocket launchers and much more. Throw Turkey’s involvement in Syria into the mix and you have a potential for serious trouble.

A lot will depend on the nature of the men who are now in charge of Egypt.

sharrukin on August 13, 2012 at 8:48 PM

Say goodbye to the Pyramids.

JPeterman on August 13, 2012 at 8:25 PM

And Egypt’s only profitable industry, tourism.

I bet Mursi will opt not to destroy the Pyramids though, it will be his fig-leaf of moderation for the rest of the world. He may try to destroy Israel, but the pyramids will probably go unscathed for awhile.

Lawdawg86 on August 13, 2012 at 8:48 PM

That Cairo Speech, can you believe just how powerful it was? Man, Lincoln and MLK have nothing on TFGRP.

Bishop on August 13, 2012 at 8:42 PM

Bishop:

His voice was one of the sweetest heard on this earth!:)
(sarc).

canopfor on August 13, 2012 at 8:51 PM

I wasn’t really following it at the time, but I assume this site was cheerleading the so-called Arab Spring along w/ the rest? Mostly there’s been conspicuous silence ever since, so kudos for at least saying something.

HB3 on August 13, 2012 at 8:51 PM

Still, this was easily predictable.

HB3 on August 13, 2012 at 8:52 PM

Civilian Theocratic despotic control of the military. Who could support that?

urban elitist on August 13, 2012 at 8:48 PM

FIFY

profitsbeard on August 13, 2012 at 8:54 PM

Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm,me thinks the US needs to
eliminate all US M1-A1 Abrams,and US fighter Jets
that Egypt now posses’s,

and if they want to revert back to the 3RD Century,
soooooooooooooo be it!!!

canopfor on August 13, 2012 at 8:54 PM

Exit question: Any reaction from the White House on this?

Yes, Barry and Big Mo were seen “Fist Bumping” and burning an American Flag in celebration.

http://blogs.citypages.com/gop/obamacover.jpg

Pork-Chop on August 13, 2012 at 8:55 PM

And yes, needless to say, the fact that an Islamist president ended up benefiting politically from an attack by Islamist militants does indeed feel awfully convenient.

Sort of like their equivalent of a Reich stage fire or Serious Crisis?

Colbyjack on August 13, 2012 at 8:55 PM


One of their top agendas is to eradicate the Giza pyramids and the Sphinx.

nitzsche on August 13, 2012 at 8:19 PM

What is the point of those “Coexist” stickers anyway?

Colbyjack on August 13, 2012 at 8:56 PM

Those guys better not mess with the pyramids. They are part of the Biblical storyline and God takes a dim view of messing with His domain.

platypus on August 13, 2012 at 8:57 PM

Why US is worried about Egypt
Sunday January 30, 2011
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UNITED NATIONS (IPS) – Besieged Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak, a former air force officer whose 30-year old authoritarian regime is under attack, presides over a country described as one of the major military powers in the region, ranking next to Israel and Turkey.

Since it signed the U.S.-brokered Camp David Peace Treaty with Israel back in September 1978, Egypt has been the recipient of billions of dollars in U.S. military equipment, including state-of-the art fighter planes, warships, missiles, battle tanks and electronic equipment.
Egyptian soldiers stand guard in central Cairo yesterday. AFP

If the Mubarak regime collapses,
**********************************

will all this U.S. equipment fall into the “wrong hands”?
**********************************************************

Stephen Zunes, professor of politics and chair of Middle Eastern Studies at the University of San Francisco, told IPS the pro-democracy protests are primarily led by young people who are not only alienated from the ruling regime, but also from the traditional Islamist opposition and the aging Muslim Brotherhood leadership as well.
(More…)
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http://sundaytimes.lk/110130/Timestwo/t2_04.html

canopfor on August 13, 2012 at 8:58 PM

I guess we all owe Barack Hussein Obama a heartfelt thanks for his success in making the Middle East a better and safer place…what with his Cairo Speech, and that whole Arab Spring thing…And we are told again and again by Team Obama that the Moslem Brotherhood is nothing to worry about, just another political party in a new democracy…

Well, thank you, President Obama.

Thanks for screwing up everything you’ve touched since you entered the White House.

Sure hope you enjoy your eternal stay in the Ninth Circle.

Putz.

coldwarrior on August 13, 2012 at 8:59 PM

Those guys better not mess with the pyramids. They are part of the Biblical storyline and God takes a dim view of messing with His domain.

platypus on August 13, 2012 at 8:57 PM

platypus:

I think,another “Holy Crusade”,is coming up!
(sarc).

canopfor on August 13, 2012 at 9:00 PM

THE USA SHOULDN’T BE SENDING EGYPT ONE SINGLE SOLITARY PENNY.

reliapundit on August 13, 2012 at 9:01 PM

One of their top agendas is to eradicate the Giza pyramids and the Sphinx.

nitzsche on August 13, 2012 at 8:19 PM

What is the point of those “Coexist” stickers anyway?

Colbyjack on August 13, 2012 at 8:56 PM

They seal over eyes and lips nicely.

So you don’t have to see disagreeable things or hear complaints by the theocratically terrorized masses.

profitsbeard on August 13, 2012 at 9:02 PM

Muslim Brotherhood=Obama’s peeps.

tom daschle concerned on August 13, 2012 at 9:03 PM

Sure hope you enjoy your eternal stay in the Ninth Circle.

Putz.

coldwarrior on August 13, 2012 at 8:59 PM

coldwarrior:Amen,and I second that!:)

canopfor on August 13, 2012 at 9:04 PM

Exit question: Any reaction from the White House on this? If there’s been some strong objection, I missed it.

Why object? A democratically elected President doing his constitutional duty. I don’t remember anybody objecting to Obama dismissing Gen. McChrystal on constitutional grounds.
In a democracy we have a civilian rule over the military.

we now have a de facto Islamist dictator.

He’s as dictator as every American President is. You just can’t make this stuff up, just because you don’t like someone’s ideology or Party affiliation.

Salahuddin on August 13, 2012 at 9:04 PM

No problemo. Dear Leader’s adviser Clapper said the Bro’s were “largely secular”….even though Moooslim is in their title. I still haven’t reconciled that.

Dingbat63 on August 13, 2012 at 9:05 PM

Oops,I should of added this too,thank the ever helpful IMF,er FMF!!

As Isreal says,Egypt is more modern than they are!
===================================================

The weapons in the Egyptian military arsenal include:

F-16 fighter planes,

attack helicopters,

frigates,

advanced Sidewinder

and Hellfire missiles

and Abrams battle tanks

— purchased mostly with U.S. Foreign Military Financing (FMF).
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http://sundaytimes.lk/110130/Timestwo/t2_04.html

canopfor on August 13, 2012 at 9:08 PM

He’s as dictator as every American President is. You just can’t make this stuff up, just because you don’t like someone’s ideology or Party affiliation.

Salahuddin on August 13, 2012 at 9:04 PM

No, he’s a dictator because that is what the Muslim Brotherhood wants and fought for. We aren’t stupid enough to believe in Bush’s ‘Religion Of Peace’ nonsense. This isn’t our first rodeo.

sharrukin on August 13, 2012 at 9:09 PM

JPeterman on August 13, 2012 at 8:28 PM

It’s not enough… nowhere near enough.

This particular passion play is far from the final curtain.

Power plays aside… the issues at hand are still: energy, jobs, and food.

Yes, the SS Egypt has a new captain; however, that doesn’t change the fact the ship is listing, there’s smoke coming from the engine room, and the SS Egypt is heading straight for the rocks.

And no, I don’t think the Depart of State has a magic pile of O-bucks big enough to cover that tab…

What happens next will not be pretty.

CPT. Charles on August 13, 2012 at 9:10 PM

Mursi/Morsi is not going to be a dictator, he is not the leadership of the MB, he serves them.

At this moment Imadinnerjacket and the Sodomy Arabian King are in Mecca trying to see if Sunnis and Shia can make nice together and not precipitate each others destruction over Syria. Which really isn’t just about Syria, it is the fundamental test between Shia Islam and Sunni Islam for domination over all of Islam. The crazy Shia want to set off world chaos and welcome the Mahdi back, the Sunni don’t believe this and want to continue the silken stealth Jihad which is humming along tickety boo. In the big picture, probably a more important story than the election.

BL@KBIRD on August 13, 2012 at 9:11 PM

It will all come down to what orders they follow behind closed doors like always. Did the MB infiltrated the military and now has control the military or just bribed them and will still follow the previous leaders now ousted. Removing the face of leadership may not have removed the real leadership and they are still loyal to someone else who was not Tantawi or Morsi and the MB. A yet unknown faction who will not do anything to make sure they do not lose their power in the street.

tjexcite on August 13, 2012 at 9:12 PM

el-Sissi

Perfect name for an arab defense minister.

jaime on August 13, 2012 at 8:18 PM

Now, that’s funny..

DStreete on August 13, 2012 at 9:12 PM

So, I guess everyone here is in favor of democracy as long as foreign nationals elect the governments that American conservatives support, and the Army remains the de facto dictator?

urban elitist on August 13, 2012 at 9:15 PM

So, I guess everyone here is in favor of democracy as long as foreign nationals elect the governments that American conservatives support, and the Army remains the de facto dictator?

urban elitist on August 13, 2012 at 9:15 PM

Hamas got elected in Gaza. Adolf Hitler got elected in Germany, but I wouldn’t have been in favor of that.

What about you?

sharrukin on August 13, 2012 at 9:18 PM

…the country’s state news agency…

Say, that’s what this country needs, a state news…… Um, nevermind

socalcon on August 13, 2012 at 9:18 PM

Hamas got elected in Gaza. Adolf Hitler got elected in Germany, but I wouldn’t have been in favor of that.

What about you?

sharrukin on August 13, 2012 at 9:18 PM

Hitler actually got a minority of the vote in Germany, but stole the election.

While either task might be a fools errand, I would rather negotiate with a Hammas government that was supported by the majority of the electorate than with a puppet government that was not. Agreements reached with governments that don’t enjoy popular support are worthless in the long term.

urban elitist on August 13, 2012 at 9:21 PM

So, I guess everyone here is in favor of democracy as long as foreign nationals elect the governments that American conservatives support, and the Army remains the de facto dictator?

urban elitist on August 13, 2012 at 9:15 PM

I much prefer President Bark’s method: Condemning a nation which strives to keep its democratic laws intact by ousting a would-be dictator.

Bishop on August 13, 2012 at 9:23 PM

“Near as I can tell, unless there’s some sort of new military power hiding behind the throne that approved of Tantawi’s dismissal and is prepared to pull the strings of government, there are only two real restraints on Morsi right now. ”

This would be my bet. Unless as you conjecture there were enough sleeper generals in the military hierarchy. Seems unlikely to me. I smell the military allowing a figment of so called democracy to be erected ala Brotherhood for a front but keeping actual power to themselves in reserve.

They can reach out and kill 100,000 islamists at will.

nueces on August 13, 2012 at 9:25 PM

Yet John McCain, Lucy Graham, Mike Rogers and John Boehner attack Michele Bachmann because of her concern for the Muslim Brotherhood’s intrusion in the U.S. Government.

bw222 on August 13, 2012 at 9:26 PM

So has anybody interviewed the Muslim Brotherhood’s Sr. Attache to the U.S., Huma Wiener?… or will the Extreme Leftist Idealogue-in-Chief not allow it? While McCain & Boehner run to the Defense of the Muslim Brotherhood’s Sr. Attache, sigh..:0(<

God Bless America!

paratisi on August 13, 2012 at 9:26 PM

Stupid idea to let the islamists take root, take a look at Turkey to see how it grows.

Bishop on August 13, 2012 at 9:27 PM

Exit question: Any reaction from the White House on this? If there’s been some strong objection, I missed it.

They’re probably tickled pink. I don’t know how the Israelis move on Iran now that Islamists control the largest Arab military in the neighborhood as the Israelis rely on air power to blunt the massive ground-force advantage Egypt has.

Steve Eggleston on August 13, 2012 at 9:28 PM

Hitler actually got a minority of the vote in Germany, but stole the election.

He was legally elected and many democratically elected leaders in Europe today are elected by the same method.

He passed the Enabling Act through the legislature and von Hindenburg signed it. All legal.

Yahoo for democracy!! /

While either task might be a fools errand, I would rather negotiate with a Hammas government that was supported by the majority of the electorate than with a puppet government that was not. Agreements reached with governments that don’t enjoy popular support are worthless in the long term.

urban elitist on August 13, 2012 at 9:21 PM

More than a few treaties and agreements were signed with Soviet Russia and they were not a democracy.

sharrukin on August 13, 2012 at 9:29 PM

Egypt can’t feed itself. Does this suggest a point of vulnerability?

Mason on August 13, 2012 at 9:30 PM

And we’re stuck with the Moronic Brotherhood of obozo and the boob.

Flange on August 13, 2012 at 9:33 PM

nueces on August 13, 2012 at 9:25 PM

In the end, there’s nothing to indicate the Egyptian armed forces surrendered to Mursi their exclusive control of defense interests, internal security problems and military economic enterprises.

It is all cosmetics with no substance.

As I had stated earlier, he may have the power, but that doesn’t solve any of issues that brought about the unrest in the first place.

CPT. Charles on August 13, 2012 at 9:36 PM

Mason on August 13, 2012 at 9:30 PM

No, they can’t. Egypt imports almost half of the food they need.

And, they are running out of currency to buy that food.

CPT. Charles on August 13, 2012 at 9:39 PM

Pyramid demolition in 3…2..1.

lonestar1 on August 13, 2012 at 9:44 PM

How about zero US $ if we don’t like the regime? Somewhere I heard a proposal that suggested that regimes would have to come to us and state a business/political case to get one dime. But then, that is folly because our on regime advocates giving $ to folks that don’t want to work.

Dingbat63 on August 13, 2012 at 9:48 PM

Stupid idea to let the islamists take root, take a look at Turkey to see how it grows.

Bishop on August 13, 2012 at 9:27 PM

Hmmm Let’s see. Turkey is a democracy. They have the second largest standing armed force in NATO, after the U.S. Armed Forces. They are a major US ally. They have a capitalist free market economy. They have the world’s 15th largest economy. They are one of the G-20 major economies. Their GDP growth rate is about 8-9% – way more than the EU countries or the US.
What’s bad about that?! Unless you have a problem with them being Muslims.

Salahuddin on August 13, 2012 at 9:48 PM

Pray for the women of Egypt. It was bad enough under Mubarak. This will be absolute hell on earth for them.

Rational Thought on August 13, 2012 at 9:52 PM

THe AKP is anti-America and anti-Israel. They are radical islamists, and are hellbent on turning Turkey into another islamist hellhole.

But enough about Turkey, when the topic is the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt.

tom daschle concerned on August 13, 2012 at 9:57 PM

Hmmm Let’s see. Turkey is a democracy.

What’s bad about that?! Unless you have a problem with them being Muslims.

Salahuddin on August 13, 2012 at 9:48 PM

Turkey’s Democratic Dusk

When questioned recently about a constitutional law professor who was arrested for lecturing at an institute run by the country’s main pro-Kurdish political party, Turkey’s interior minister, Idris Naim Sahin, couldn’t hide his irritation: “I am having a hard time understanding those saying a professor should not be arrested while thousands of other people are being arrested in Turkey.”

For example, journalists have been imprisoned for producing articles and books at the behest of an alleged terrorist organization called “Ergenekon,” whose existence has yet to be confirmed, despite years of investigation.

Likewise, military officers have been charged on the basis of blatantly fraudulent – indeed, amateurishly produced – documents containing obvious anachronisms. A senior police commissioner is currently languishing in jail for allegedly collaborating with far-left militants he spent his entire career hunting down. These prosecutions have cast an ever-widening net, ensnaring scores of journalists, authors, and academics, hundreds of military officers, and thousands of Kurdish politicians and activists, among others.

It wasn’t long ago that Turkey appeared to be a bright beacon of democracy and moderation in a region accustomed to autocracy and radicalism. Now it looks more like a country heading towards authoritarianism at home and embracing adventurism abroad.

sharrukin on August 13, 2012 at 10:03 PM

Oh, by the way, the Muslim Brotherhood just completed its takeover of Egypt

This was always the only possible outcome – our foreign policy for 60 years put Egypt on this path. Throughout the cold war, our policy towards their military governments, particularly our insistence that they do anything to exterminate left wing political organizations (always fearing that next soviet coup). We (and Egypt’s military dictators) have been working diligently making this happen for over a century.

ernesto on August 13, 2012 at 10:05 PM

Hmm…again, my sense at the time was that American conservatives were cheering this on as much as everyone else. Was this not the case?

HB3 on August 13, 2012 at 10:05 PM

Was this not the case?

HB3 on August 13, 2012 at 10:05 PM

nope, just american leftists.

tom daschle concerned on August 13, 2012 at 10:07 PM

This was always the only possible outcome – our foreign policy for 60 years put Egypt on this path. Throughout the cold war, our policy towards their military governments, particularly our insistence that they do anything to exterminate left wing political organizations (always fearing that next soviet coup). We (and Egypt’s military dictators) have been working diligently making this happen for over a century.

ernesto on August 13, 2012 at 10:05 PM

They were a Soviet ally in the cold war. They became an American ally rather late in the game, 1979 or so.

You are inventing a fantasy history so you can blame the US for anything and everything.

sharrukin on August 13, 2012 at 10:08 PM

Jordan’s king can sleep well tonight though right?

I mean sure if Syria AND Jordan fell Israel would be COMPLETELY surrounded with nut job Huma Brotherhood folks but no worries.

Now if Jordan fell after Syria and then the EU would get a bit more Islamic then Israel might be surrounded even by sea (the Mediterranean) but why…..WHY would anyone want to surround Israel? They are just a tiny sliver of land in the desert.

Why?

PappyD61 on August 13, 2012 at 10:25 PM

The brotherhood ?
There just a bunch of secular guys who live in the neighborhood.

Pay no attention to that silly Glenn Beck, just trying to make trouble.

FlaMurph on August 13, 2012 at 10:33 PM

You’re talking about political power, but you should remember that the army in Egypt is just not an army, they own commerce and industry. Which means, they have other interests.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/money/2011/02/10/133501837/why-egypts-military-cares-about-home-appliances

The military would almost certainly go along with a successor, the cable’s author writes, if that successor didn’t interfere in the military’s business arrangements.

Phoenician on August 13, 2012 at 10:41 PM

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