CBS: House Oversight to sue Holder today on contempt citation

posted at 10:01 am on August 13, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

The Obama administration will have to answer in court for its refusal to release thousands of documents to Congress over Operation Fast and Furious as early as today.  CBS reports that the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee will file a lawsuit in federal court to enforce the House’s civil contempt citation.  The effort has little precedent — mainly because this is as far as most conflicts over executive privilege go before one side blinks:

CBS News has learned that the House Oversight Committee expects to file a civil contempt suit against Attorney General Eric Holder Monday. The lawsuit is to try to force Holder to release documents from the Fast and Furious gunwalking operation.

The Republican-led House of Representative voted to hold Holder in contempt on June 28 for failing to turn over thousands of pages of subpoenaed documents. The Justice Department has said it is withholding documents under White House executive privilege.

Seventeen Democrats voted with 238 Republicans in the 255-67 vote for contempt. Democratic leaders called the contempt vote a “political witch hunt.”

In a past subpoena dispute between Congress and the executive branch, a federal judge ordered the executive branch to turn over the disputed documents. However, before the executive branch could pursue an appeal, the two sides reached a compromise and certain documents were turned over.

In past disputes, the issues didn’t meet the same level of damage that a court ruling on executive privilege might do to one branch or the other.  Therefore, both sides had an incentive to step back from the brink before the courts had an opportunity to set a governing precedent.

This time, that may not be the case.  First, OF&F’s gunrunning has left hundreds of murder victims in its wake, including two US government agents, Border Patrol agent Brian Terry and ICE agent Jaime Zapata.  It’s likely that the guns trafficked by the ATF in 2009 will claim more victims.  Thus far, there is no indication that the Obama administration has done so much as demote anyone over the program.  Administration officials lied to Congress about the nature of the program and their knowledge of it, which is the proximate cause for the contempt citation.

If Congress can’t access documents to investigate executive-branch malfeasance of this scope, especially with the added dollop of perjury and obstruction of justice vis-a-vis the House Oversight Committee, then Congress will have no real ability to conduct oversight of executive-branch activities at all.  That plus the extremely shaky claim of executive privilege puts the Obama administration on course for a big loss, and a very large precedent on Congressional subpoenas that both parties will celebrate and have cause to regret in the future.

It would be more than a little ironic if a court had to impose the transparency that this administration likes to claim for itself, no?


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verbsgonewrong

Get your fingers out of your anus.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on August 13, 2012 at 11:51 AM

verb diarrhea
Your fingers must have contracted this diarrhea from your getting your hands in places and not washing them correct.
Good luck with your name calling…

APACHEWHOKNOWS on August 13, 2012 at 11:43 AM

Gross.
And good luck with your name calling, too.

verbaluce on August 13, 2012 at 11:52 AM

Wow.

verbaluce on August 13, 2012 at 11:38 AM

This Humanist, whom no belief constrained,
Grew so broad-minded he was scatter-brained.

Difficultas_Est_Imperium on August 13, 2012 at 11:55 AM

Man, get your nose out of the modem.
Now you also look ridiculous.

verbaluce on August 13, 2012 at 11:37 AM

Just curious..do you share a cubicle with brainfreeordie? OFA really needs to give you guys better material.

Also, find it curious that you aren’t capable of answering any of the questions asked of you. It tells me you aren’t serious about the deaths of two border agents nor the deaths of 300+ Mexican citizens. It seems you’re only worried about your prezzy and his pal Holder.

BTW..you look ridumbculous with every single comment you make.

HumpBot Salvation on August 13, 2012 at 11:55 AM

Shill? He’s from AZ, dipwad. Our lives were/are in danger over this crap. We want answers.

wolly4321 on August 13, 2012 at 11:56 AM

Seventeen Democrats voted with 238 Republicans in the 255-67 vote for contempt. Democratic leaders called the contempt vote a “political witch hunt.”

Ummmmmm Okaaaay …
So, it would NOT be a “political witch hunt” if more Democrats had the nerve to show up and vote? Is that what we call it these days?
*sigh*
~(Ä)~

Karl Magnus on August 13, 2012 at 11:57 AM

Has anyone suggested the program wasn’t flawed?
No.

verbaluce on August 13, 2012 at 11:50 AM

Deb, this is what you understand but won’t admit…why was it flawed?

Was it political, or just a gaffe, that is what internal documents will show.

If they did this, knowing that lives would be sacrificed, but they were more intent on their agenda, that is relevant…if it was a “gaffe” than the person ordering that has to be punished or held accountable.

You do realize, of course you do but you don’t care, that not one person has been held accountable, has been disciplined, has been noted as responsible for what you admit is a flawed (flawed to the p in point of hundreds of deaths, some “flaw”) policy.

Yet you don’t care…Like the Debbie Wasserman you are named after…the obvious is not important, protection their power is worth hundreds of deaths…but you don’t care.

right2bright on August 13, 2012 at 12:00 PM

It tells me you aren’t serious about the deaths of two border agents nor the deaths of 300+ Mexican citizens.

HumpBot Salvation on August 13, 2012 at 11:55 AM

What a cheap line.
I’d love for it to be a heck of a lot less easy for weapons to flow south. I’d love for there to be some way for a reasonable discussion of this. I’d love for the NRA not to be the ATF’s enemy.
I’d love for concerned citizens such as yourself not to be so dang selective when it comes to acknowledging the root cause of all this violence. I’d love for those who feel terrible about all the Mexican citizens dying in the drug war to not be so dismissive of Mexican president Calderon saying, this spring “The expiring of the assault weapons ban in the year 2004 coincided almost exactly with the beginning of the harshest — the harshest — period of violence we’ve ever seen”.

verbaluce on August 13, 2012 at 12:06 PM

You’re not gonna believe this, but I think you’re a shill.
Weird, huh?
Seriously, you’re confusing legitimate analysis, critique, and reform with what I am critical of.
And that is avoiding such in order to pursue a politically motivated witch hunt instead.
Has anyone suggested the program wasn’t flawed?
No.

verbaluce on August 13, 2012 at 11:50 AM

a) Given the flawed views you have expressed here and in the past, what you think of me bothers me not a whit.

b) You have been schooled multiple times on the two programs for which you try to generate moral equivalence. You show that you are incapable of learning. It’s not just that you hold a different point of view, it’s that you use fallacies to back up your positions.

c) This could all be cleared up if Holder would release the documents, then it could be positively verified that this was just a botched operation and not a politically motivated attempt to advance the cause of gun control. You know why they won’t do that? Because the documents already released have sufficient comments in them to verify that this was a gun control advancement program, not a legitimate crime fighting program. By the way, how much intelligence does it take to know that a program that is not going to inform the other government and not going to do anything to track the weapons once they cross the US border is “flawed”. That shouldn’t have gotten past the initial brainstorming session

AZfederalist on August 13, 2012 at 12:10 PM

knowing that lives would be sacrificed

right2bright on August 13, 2012 at 12:00 PM

You’re off the deep end.
With plenty of company, unfortunately.

verbaluce on August 13, 2012 at 12:10 PM

No,, the expiration of the AWB allowed me to be as well armed(almost) as the drug cartel holder arms.

You aren’t twisting the argument. Thanks for mentioning the NRA and fully exposing your strawman.

wolly4321 on August 13, 2012 at 12:13 PM

verbaluce on August 13, 2012 at 12:10 PM

Two page thread, several posters have asked you to explain or defend why, how, re F&F. You can’t and won’t. “Debbie” is an apt name for you as I watched her yesterday pull the same nonsense.

arnold ziffel on August 13, 2012 at 12:14 PM

You do realize, of course you do but you don’t care, that not one person has been held accountable, has been disciplined, has been noted as responsible for what you admit is a flawed (flawed to the p in point of hundreds of deaths, some “flaw”) policy.

right2bright on August 13, 2012 at 12:00 PM

Well, except for the whistleblowers that came forward with this information. They’ve been disciplined and punished.

AZfederalist on August 13, 2012 at 12:15 PM

Ot: Apachewhoknows- enjoy your posts. Went to the Tribal Reunion in Hon-Dah AZ. Wonderful event.

wolly4321 on August 13, 2012 at 12:17 PM

What a cheap line.
I’d love for it to be a heck of a lot less easy for weapons to flow south. I’d love for there to be some way for a reasonable discussion of this. I’d love for the NRA not to be the ATF’s enemy.
I’d love for concerned citizens such as yourself not to be so dang selective when it comes to acknowledging the root cause of all this violence. I’d love for those who feel terrible about all the Mexican citizens dying in the drug war to not be so dismissive of Mexican president Calderon saying, this spring “The expiring of the assault weapons ban in the year 2004 coincided almost exactly with the beginning of the harshest — the harshest — period of violence we’ve ever seen”.

verbaluce on August 13, 2012 at 12:06 PM

… and there we get to the core of it. This is all about gun control for you. You want the scary looking black guns ban re-instated, you want American citizens to lose more of their liberties and ability to defend themselves from armed criminals. Hey, as an exercise, ask yourself how well the citizens of Mexico can defend themselves against the drug cartel violence. Oh yeah, they can’t. Regular citizens in Mexico aren’t able to own weapons and those who can are severely restricted and regulated.

So yeah, we should totally do what Calderon says since gun violence in his country is so low with such strong gun laws while gun violence here is lower with private citizens able to own guns.

AZfederalist on August 13, 2012 at 12:19 PM

This could all be cleared up if Holder would release the documents, then it could be positively verified that this was just a botched operation and not a politically motivated attempt to advance the cause of gun control. You know why they won’t do that? Because the documents already released have sufficient comments in them to verify that this was a gun control advancement program, not a legitimate crime fighting program. By the way, how much intelligence does it take to know that a program that is not going to inform the other government and not going to do anything to track the weapons once they cross the US border is “flawed”. That shouldn’t have gotten past the initial brainstorming session

AZfederalist on August 13, 2012 at 12:10 PM

Right, the gun control conspiracy.
Take a moment and listen to yourself.
Do you see how you offer here ‘This could all be cleared up if Holder would release the documents, then it could be positively verified that this was just a botched operation and not a politically motivated attempt to advance the cause of gun control’, followed by ‘…the documents already released have sufficient comments in them to verify that this was a gun control advancement program…’.
You just know for a fact that this was ‘not a legitimate crime fighting program’.
This just proves that for folks like you, there is nothing that will ever convince you this indeed was ‘was just a botched operation’. So why do you pretend you want to see the ‘documents’ so that eveything could be ‘cleared up’?
You illuminate greatly everything I’ve been saying about the motivations behind this whole ‘investigation’.
Thanks.

verbaluce on August 13, 2012 at 12:20 PM

I know a guy who told me that Obama and Holder both committed impeachable offenses. Is that true? I’m not sure, but they should really respond to these serious charges.

ChrisL on August 13, 2012 at 10:27 AM

Article III Section 3 Clause 1 (US Constitution): Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.

I’m pretty sure that Mexican drug cartels are not our friends. And giving them aid…

dominigan on August 13, 2012 at 12:24 PM

Done with this troll. Game, set, match. It’s all just circular from here on out and a waste of time.

wolly4321 on August 13, 2012 at 12:27 PM

Right, the gun control conspiracy.
Take a moment and listen to yourself.
Do you see how you offer here ‘This could all be cleared up if Holder would release the documents, then it could be positively verified that this was just a botched operation and not a politically motivated attempt to advance the cause of gun control’, followed by ‘…the documents already released have sufficient comments in them to verify that this was a gun control advancement program…’.
You just know for a fact that this was ‘not a legitimate crime fighting program’.
This just proves that for folks like you, there is nothing that will ever convince you this indeed was ‘was just a botched operation’. So why do you pretend you want to see the ‘documents’ so that eveything could be ‘cleared up’?
You illuminate greatly everything I’ve been saying about the motivations behind this whole ‘investigation’.
Thanks.

verbaluce on August 13, 2012 at 12:20 PM

Riddle me this then batman;
Why don’t you want to see the documents?
Scared of the thruth?
?
?
?

D-fusit on August 13, 2012 at 12:29 PM

This is all about gun control for you.

AZfederalist on August 13, 2012 at 12:19 PM

Come on…you see the irony here?
Isn’t it ALL about gun control for you?
For me, I don’t know that I see that the AWB would solve the issue here. The reasonable discussion I would like to see take place would be to see how to stop the bulk sale and transport of the weapons.
Make AZ less attractive to the cartels to use vagrants to by 20 semis at a time and hand them off.
But as long as folks see ANY attempt to reduce the threat of gun violence as the exact same as a threat to their right to own a gun, then we are stuck. And Border Agents and Mexican citizens remain under the same threat of harm that resulted in Agent Terry’s death.

verbaluce on August 13, 2012 at 12:30 PM

You just know for a fact that this was ‘not a legitimate crime fighting program’.
This just proves that for folks like you, there is nothing that will ever convince you this indeed was ‘was just a botched operation’. So why do you pretend you want to see the ‘documents’ so that eveything could be ‘cleared up’?
You illuminate greatly everything I’ve been saying about the motivations behind this whole ‘investigation’.
Thanks.

verbaluce on August 13, 2012 at 12:20 PM

Absolutely this was not a legitimate crime fighting program.

The original program attempted to intercept the guns BEFORE they crossed the border. The original program used small GPS tracking devices embedded on the firearms (in the stock?) to accomplish the tracking. After one operation under the original program resulted in a few firearms crossing the border, the operation was shut down under Bush.

The Obama administration started up a new program, with no intended intervention before crossing the border, and without any tracking devices. How do you track firearms crossing an international border without GPS tracking?

Also, if you remember the timing… right around the time this was going on, there was a huge media blitz on how Mexican drug cartels were acquiring firearms from southern US gun shops. I DO remember those news reports, and thought them funny. Later, when F&F finally surfaced, I connected the dots. Obama’s comment to Brady’s wife about gun control “under the radar” was icing on the cake, validating my assumptions.

I strongly suspect that the documents confirm all of this which explains why President Obama, who previously said he nor his advisors had any knowledge of the operation, claimed Executive Privilege on the documents… which can only be claimed for confidential documents that either the President or his advisors used in making decisions.

Again, F&F was not about legitimate crime fighting.

dominigan on August 13, 2012 at 12:33 PM

Dipwad, listen close, M,kay? Gunshops get kinda leary when Someone walks in and wants 20 AK’s. Sometimes they think it’s a straw-purpose and call ATF.

RARELY does ATF as ordered by DOJ tell the gunstores,, yea,, go for it.

Comprende?

wolly4321 on August 13, 2012 at 12:37 PM

The reasonable discussion I would like to see take place would be to see how to stop the bulk sale and transport of the weapons.

verbaluce on August 13, 2012 at 12:30 PM

Easy. Here’s your answer: punish the government officials responsible for FORCING gun shops to bulk sell those types of weapons (which they did).

Gun shops wanted to NOT sell to them. F&F came out in the open because both gun shop owners and ATF agents complained about what was going on. They knew who the firearms were going to. Duhh. You don’t just walk into a shop and buy multiple heavy firearms and pay in cash.

The gun shops didn’t want to sell. The Feds forced them.

dominigan on August 13, 2012 at 12:39 PM

verbsarebad,

As of now each of the illegals who use the “drug cartel controled coyotes” to cross our borders must carry some of the drugs into the U.S.A. as part of the cost.

Holder/Obama do nothing to slow this “wage/vote slave traffic”.

So, we judge you, Holder, Obama and the Democrat Party by your actions. Your silly misdirection words are of no meaning to you or us.

Look inward for the solution to your misunderstanding of the facts.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on August 13, 2012 at 12:41 PM

wolly4321 on August 13, 2012 at 12:37 PM

Absolutely. I know a gun shop owner. He’s the father of one of my friends, and handled the receiving of my SKS. Very nice guy.

F&F APPALLED him! Blaming this on gun shop owners is laughable. They are some of the most responsible people I’ve ever met. They know what is going on. To imply that more laws are required because the Feds forced them to sell to people they knew were mules… is just wrong.

dominigan on August 13, 2012 at 12:42 PM

The gun shops didn’t want to sell. The Feds forced them.

dominigan on August 13, 2012 at 12:39 PM

So you think the only guns the cartels are getting out of US are the ones in the ATF program?

verbaluce on August 13, 2012 at 12:44 PM

You just know for a fact that this was ‘not a legitimate crime fighting program’.
This just proves that for folks like you, there is nothing that will ever convince you this indeed was ‘was just a botched operation’. So why do you pretend you want to see the ‘documents’ so that eveything could be ‘cleared up’?
You illuminate greatly everything I’ve been saying about the motivations behind this whole ‘investigation’.
Thanks.

verbaluce on August 13, 2012 at 12:20 PM

I’ll ask again, why would the DoJ and the WH need to hide the documents if this was in fact just a criminal investigation of gun running to Mexico?

D-fusit on August 13, 2012 at 12:47 PM

Easy. Here’s your answer: punish the government officials responsible for FORCING gun shops to bulk sell those types of weapons (which they did).

dominigan on August 13, 2012 at 12:39 PM

I agree with the spirit of what you’re saying there.
Whatever the motivation, ATF should not be encouraging/approving bulk sales.

verbaluce on August 13, 2012 at 12:50 PM

verbmisused does not answer questions, does not use facts, and is in fact your standard liberal Democrat.

All “but’ no action and fact free.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on August 13, 2012 at 12:52 PM

I’ll ask again, why would the DoJ and the WH need to hide the documents if this was in fact just a criminal investigation of gun running to Mexico?

D-fusit on August 13, 2012 at 12:47 PM

They dispute the scope of the request and and also which are responsive documents. As Ed notes in his post here, a not at all uncommon occurrence.
And as AZfederalist illustrates…sort of a moot point.
It would matter not to to the conspiracy theorists here what was or wasn’t found in any additional documents.

verbaluce on August 13, 2012 at 12:56 PM

Do you believe the only guns, or even most that the cartels have come from the US in the first place?

Here’s a newsflash for ya. They have a lot of full auto. Not from AZ gunshops fer’sure.

Apachewhoknows is correct. It’s your agenda that won’t let you see facts.

Holder shipped grenades, too. Can you direct me to that gunshop?

wolly4321 on August 13, 2012 at 12:56 PM

They dispute the scope of the request and and also which are responsive documents. As Ed notes in his post here, a not at all uncommon occurrence.
And as AZfederalist illustrates…sort of a moot point.
It would matter not to to the conspiracy theorists here what was or wasn’t found in any additional documents.

verbaluce on August 13, 2012 at 12:56 PM

But if this was just a criminal investigation into gun running and they shut it down, why hide the proof? Only criminals hide evidence or did you not learn from the whole Nixon administration.

The truth will come out, someday. I would perfer it sooner rather than later but it will see the light of day.

Holder will be held accoutable save a last minute pardon in January 2013.

D-fusit on August 13, 2012 at 1:02 PM

You’re off the deep end.
With plenty of company, unfortunately.

verbaluce on August 13, 2012 at 12:10 PM

Debbie, you have your head in the sand…first you say it’s a conspiracy circus…but you support Holder and Obama from releasing the data that would prove them and you right and us wrong.

Don’t you want to prove we are wrong? Aren’t you excited about proving that us conservatives are just a bunch of conspiracy nuts?

They have the proof to show us how wrong we are…now you must want them to release that so you can be proved to be right…am I correct?

Or do you want them not to release it because it would prove otherwise.

You aren’t even willing to take that gamble…because you know it’s not a gamble, it’s a sure thing. Holder and Obama created Fast and Furious for political reasons, without any regard for the human toll it took.

You are for releasing the public documents aren’t you?

right2bright on August 13, 2012 at 1:06 PM

Yea, it kinda would matter what’s in those docs. One way or the other.

50 miles south of me is a porous border with a drug war going on. Did, or did not the AG fascilitate them getting thousands of weapons? I want to know. Where do you live? I’ll make you a deal, okay? White republican AG ships thousands of arms to YOUR backyard?

I’ll DEMAND answers. Fair?

wolly4321 on August 13, 2012 at 1:10 PM

It would matter not to to the conspiracy theorists here what was or wasn’t found in any additional documents.

verbaluce on August 13, 2012 at 12:56 PM

But it would matter to the bi-partisan committee, and that is who Holder is responsible to.

Debbie, you are stretching, who cares what the “theorists” want, it’s your congress that is the people responsible, that have been hired to do exactly what they are doing…trying to find the truth.

And these documents are not “overreaching” they are germane to the direct timeline. The bi-partisan committee has made that point quite clear.

Holder doesn’t dictate the timeline, he is the one under investigation…it’s the bi-partisan committee that makes that request. Key word…bi-partisan…both the left and the right side of the aisle wants that information.

right2bright on August 13, 2012 at 1:11 PM

I agree with the spirit of what you’re saying there.
Whatever the motivation, ATF should not be encouraging/approving bulk sales.

verbaluce on August 13, 2012 at 12:50 PM

Given the displayed ignorance of the program you exhibit in your statement above, you are not sufficiently knowledgeable on this program to even be commenting on it. Go do some reading on F&F and the agents’ testimonies and get up to speed. It will keep you from looking like a darnedfool.

They dispute the scope of the request and and also which are responsive documents. As Ed notes in his post here, a not at all uncommon occurrence.
And as AZfederalist illustrates…sort of a moot point.
It would matter not to to the conspiracy theorists here what was or wasn’t found in any additional documents.

verbaluce on August 13, 2012 at 12:56 PM

Yeah, we’re all conspiracy theorists here. And the NBPP didn’t attempt voter intimidation either. Despite being caught on video. So, who are we to believe, you or our own lying eyes.

Wouldn’t be so bad if you could put up a reasonably coherent debate, you don’t have any facts on your side so you cannot.

AZfederalist on August 13, 2012 at 1:15 PM

OK, how about we conservatives change the subject.

What about the liberal Democrats loading up the debt fast and furious also.

What about the no no no to the Keystone Pipe line for more gas and oil to run in Goverment Motors cars.

What about checking into the waste of tax money in the “when the wind don’t blow wind mill of waste.

What about some jobs, what about some common sense.

Judgement will come for Holder and Obama in Nov. notwithstanding 10,000 lies from msm shills and blog knownothings.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on August 13, 2012 at 1:22 PM

I’ll leave it at this…

The guns have been traced to many crimes. Close to me. Don’t I have a right to know what happened? What went wrong? Don’t Brian Terry’s family members? Without answers, there is a continued threat unknown.

wolly4321 on August 13, 2012 at 1:42 PM

Have Obama and Holder proven that they haven’t committed any impeachable offenses yet?

Colbyjack on August 13, 2012 at 10:06 AM

You mean like when he committed an act of treason to the Russians? In exchange for a personal favor he promised to surrender a national defense asset.

Obama tells Russian PM “After Election I Have More Flexibilty” 3/26/2012

Yakko77 on August 13, 2012 at 1:53 PM

In any case, I want to see the filings and whether they are requesting any expedited action. There should be a preliminary ruling within a fairly short period of time if they did.

novaculus on August 13, 2012 at 10:26 AM

Whatever day they held the vote on contempt, the end of June, I think, Issa said that he was giving Holder and the White House till the day after the July 4th break to produce the documents. That means Issa was going to file this suit on July 9, 2012, so I’m wondering what the hold up was. At that time, he said that he would automatically get an expedited hearing due to the nature of the suit. So I think this could happen pretty fast, if that is true.

Night Owl on August 13, 2012 at 2:01 PM

Wouldn’t be so bad if you could put up a reasonably coherent debate, you don’t have any facts on your side so you cannot.

AZfederalist on August 13, 2012 at 1:15 PM

As you’ve been engaging me quite a bit, methinks you find what I say quite coherent.
Granted, you don’t like it.
But you are able to understand it.

verbaluce on August 13, 2012 at 2:06 PM

So you think the only guns the cartels are getting out of US are the ones in the ATF program?

verbaluce on August 13, 2012 at 12:44 PM

Hehe, troll veers onto the truth. You didn’t really want to do that did you?

WHY would a cartel send guys over the US border to buy AKs 1 (or 20) at a time AT RETAIL prices??? If I were a billion dollar cartel operation and one of my guys did that, I’d shoot him myself. Buy AKs from Africa, Malaysia, or Albania for $10 each BY THE CRATELOAD.

You will also notice that all the gory massacres have stopped since the story broke.

No theres more to this story than even we as yet know. And the documents are damming evidence, its why this guy bets the WHOLE thing on Exe Priviledge. His whole career, everything, is bet on this. Why would he run the stakes all the way up, if its just a simple “botched” operation tracking some guns???

orbitalair on August 13, 2012 at 3:02 PM

This line that they were oh so completely unrelated in any way is just b.s. How much more political could one be than to suggest there’s some firewall they went up Jan 20 2009 that fully absolves the Bush administration, but conveniently convict’s Obama’s.
Evan Issa had to drop that angle.

verbaluce on August 13, 2012 at 11:13 AM

Some firewall that went up Jan 20 2009? That makes no sense.

The Bush-era program was shut down 2 years before the Obama administration came up with their own program. That gap is what makes the two programs unrelated.

Obama didn’t continue a program that Bush started, as all you Dems like to claim. The Bush-era program was ended when they realized the people buying the guns had figured out how to remove the tracking devices.

Maybe that explains why Obama’s program didn’t even try to track the guns. But it doesn’t explain why the Obama program didn’t coordinate with the Mexican government, like the Bush program did.

Once again, a Democrat is guilty of everything that they falsely accused a Republican of doing.

tom on August 13, 2012 at 3:45 PM

What did the cannibal say to the Republican?

I’m trying to lower my cholesterol levels.
Just had a democrat for lunch.
After all they are Fact-free .

jpcpt03 on August 14, 2012 at 12:07 AM

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