Obama now leads Romney by 11 among independents in new CNN and Fox News polls

posted at 8:01 pm on August 9, 2012 by Allahpundit

Don’t focus on the topline numbers since it’s hard to gauge how reliable they are. The Fox poll has O leading 49/40 based on a sample of D+9; last month he led 45/41 with a sample of just D+4. As for CNN, they’ve got Obama up 52/45 but provide no partisan breakdown with which to judge the sample.

What to do, then? Let’s focus on the indies. CNN:

The margin of error increases for a subsample, as you can see, but that’s a lot of cushion for the Unicorn Prince. No mystery where it’s coming from, either: According to CNN, 52 percent of indies have an unfavorable view of Romney now compared to just 40 percent who had one in May. Fox sees a similar overall margin:

Lots of undecideds there, obviously, but the trendlines in Romney’s favorables aren’t encouraging after a solid month of Bain-mania. CNN’s and Fox’s numbers, respectively:

Amazingly, The One’s not paying much of a price yet for negativity. When asked if Romney has attacked Obama unfairly, the response is 44/50 between “has” and “has not.” Obama’s numbers are almost identical at 45/49, suggesting that perceptions on this question are still breaking along predictable party lines. Maybe that’ll change in the next week or two; this poll was conducted over the last few days, before the sleaze-tastic steelworker ad really started buzzing.

I don’t like the looks of either of these numbers, though:

Of the last four elections, only Clinton in 1996 had more lopsided numbers on that last question. (On the other hand, by a margin of 52/37, voters expected Gore to defeat Bush as of mid-September 2000.) Here’s the key question: Given that Romney and the constellation of conservative Super PACs have yet to really unload on O, there’s obviously going to be some movement in his numbers down the line just as there’s been movement in Romney’s numbers now after the Bain attacks. But how much? The two sides aren’t similarly situated; Romney’s an unknown quantity for most while Obama’s been the most famous man on the planet for four years. Not only does that make it harder for the GOP to define him than it was for him to define Mitt, but it gives O a much simpler task with regard to the shrinking pool of undecideds. Those people are already wary of reelecting him (that’s why they’re undecided), so they’re essentially Romney persuadables. Romney needs to persuade them, but all Obama needs to do is keep Romney on the defensive and keep the campaign dumb and nasty so that those persuadables stop caring and stay home. It’s incredibly cynical but it’s his best bet. If you believe these two polls, it’s working okay so far.


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Why aren’t Rasmussen or Gallup picking up this trend in their daily, rolling-average polls?

Reno_Dave on August 9, 2012 at 10:42 PM

They have picked this up…

During July, 34.9% of Americans considered themselves Republicans. That’s down from 35.4% in June and from 35.7% in May.

sharrukin on August 9, 2012 at 10:49 PM

A point difference is within statistical noise range. True, thats a very slow very subtle trend in the wrong direction, but thats also taken at a time when Romney has been outspent drastically in one of the biggest demonizing campaigns ever.

By months end the spending will be about even up, which is likely to at least stop said very subtle trend, and is almost as likely to reverse it.

Also, you didn’t specific if you were talking Rassmussen or Gallop, the two occasionally disagree on this number.

WolvenOne on August 9, 2012 at 10:55 PM

Wolves one +1

I spend a good time at the news sites including yahoo and find an average of 4 to 1 negative to positive comments against Obama. The informed citizens are not buying what they are selling. So sadly these polls do represent the idiocy of our country. I expect informed voters to outnumber the dolts 2 to 1 in November as the uniformed don’t think voting is important.

Bensonofben on August 9, 2012 at 10:56 PM

Hey conservatives – THIS is why I call it ‘Faux News’.

MelonCollie on August 9, 2012 at 10:57 PM

To: ccrosby

mittens is a spineless coward with a bucketful of sons, none of whom saw fit to serve their country in the military…i don’t want a commander in chief who rasied a houseful of wusses..do you? .. ..and obambi sux too!

Sarah Palin has more cojones than mittens EVER will!

Pragmatic on August 9, 2012 at 10:59 PM

Also, you didn’t specific if you were talking Rassmussen or Gallop, the two occasionally disagree on this number.

WolvenOne on August 9, 2012 at 10:55 PM

Rassmussen

sharrukin on August 9, 2012 at 11:00 PM

Women will be the difference in the election and they will vote overwhelmingly for Obama. Thanks ladies. I guess most of you are looking for the ultimate sugar daddy and just love that nanny state stuff.

Doomsday on August 9, 2012 at 11:00 PM

Palin didn’t run.

wargamer6 on August 9, 2012 at 9:11 PM

No, she didn’t. Of course the polls — which were sacred gospel way back when — showed that 79.99% of Republicans didn’t want her to run.

ddrintn on August 9, 2012 at 9:21 PM

Do you think if she had been in the first Republican debate that by the end of the series of debates that “79.99%” of Republicans wouldn’t have wanted her to run? Gee imagine Palin in the 1st debate. The 2nd debate. The 3rd debate. The 4th debate. The 5th debate. The 6th debate.

As I recall reading in her first gubernatorial debate in Alaska she polled near the bottom if not dead last. But in between books and reality shows, she forgot her own playbook, didn’t she.

So low and behold when they’re practically over and people are voting left and right and she didn’t bother to attend one, “79.99%” tell her No, thanks. Big surprise.

Marcus on August 9, 2012 at 11:01 PM

mitt is a twit and a nitwit

Pragmatic on August 9, 2012 at 10:55 PM

Unlike Team MENSA in place now?

BlaxPac on August 9, 2012 at 11:01 PM

If Romney wins in Nov, I know its only the beginning. It’s up to the Party rank and file to hold him & the Leadership accountable for every day they “don’t” fulfill our wishes…

BlaxPac on August 9, 2012 at 10:12 PM

If it’s the same Romney who thinks that statist solutions like Romneycare are good ideas, it the beginning all right. The beginning of the end of the GOP and the end of any chance we have to stop before we go off the fiscal cliff.

The question is: who is Romney? Nobody knows. Would we be better off 10 years from now if we elect in 2012 a statist Romney who destroys the only party that supposedly stands for free enterprise, or if we elect a statist Obama checked by the GOP in congress (which would likely further revitalize the GOP and lead to an actual limited government, free enterprise candidate in 2016)? I don’t think the answer to that question is as simply as you would have us believe. I’m not voting for Obama, but I’m finding it difficult to find any reason to vote for or otherwise support Romney.

besser tot als rot on August 9, 2012 at 11:02 PM

Hey conservatives – THIS is why I call it ‘Faux News’.

MelonCollie on August 9, 2012 at 10:57 PM

That doesn’t make sense, since “faux” isn’t pronounced like “fox”.

“Faux” rhymes with “slow”, which is a fitting descriptor for the libs who use it, thinking they’re disparaging Fox News.

Reno_Dave on August 9, 2012 at 11:02 PM

How far have the loon commie Democrats of the Clinton/Obama type sunk American Pride?

google this

Hilary Clinton does the butt f in africa

That is about a low as it goes, just that they have such low morals.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on August 9, 2012 at 11:02 PM

He will continue to live his fantasy of Palin 2016.

bayview on August 9, 2012 at 10:51 PM

And Palin 2020 after that, and Palin 2024 after that.

MelonCollie on August 9, 2012 at 10:55 PM

Wouldn’t that be something!

And I honestly don’t mean that derogatorliy.

ccrosby on August 9, 2012 at 11:02 PM

Unlike Team MENSA in place now?

BlaxPac on August 9, 2012 at 11:01 PM

Lenin was bad. Stalin was worse. Hope and Change is not the answer. As everyone should have learned by now.

besser tot als rot on August 9, 2012 at 11:05 PM

Sarah Palin has more cojones than mittens EVER will!

Pragmatic on August 9, 2012 at 10:59 PM

So many cojones that she’s running for POTUS after quitting her governorship!

Oh wait, she isn’t. She’s gleefully traded her political career for a cheerleader position to FlyoverLand, while her trainwreck of a daughter is starring in a reality show.

Chances of Romney being elected and changing things for the better: shaky.
Chance of Little Miss “evil Obama death panels! (tee hee hee)” being elected and changing things for the better: ZERO

MelonCollie on August 9, 2012 at 11:05 PM

Wouldn’t that be something!

And I honestly don’t mean that derogatorliy.

ccrosby on August 9, 2012 at 11:02 PM

It would, but it’s not going to happen. And frankly if it did I’d doubt the ability of anyone short of Jesus to fix the nation at that point.

MelonCollie on August 9, 2012 at 11:06 PM

while her trainwreck of a daughter is starring in a reality show.

Cancelled. Off the schedule due to no ratings. Replaced with “Dancing Moms” even if they have to run the same episode 3 times in a row.

Marcus on August 9, 2012 at 11:06 PM

Hey conservatives – THIS is why I call it ‘Faux News’.

MelonCollie on August 9, 2012 at 10:57 PM

That doesn’t make sense, since “faux” isn’t pronounced like “fox”.

“Faux” rhymes with “slow”, which is a fitting descriptor for the libs who use it, thinking they’re disparaging Fox News.

Reno_Dave on August 9, 2012 at 11:02 PM

Isn’t this about the 15th polling firm that Fox has used in the last 2 weeks? (Hyperbole – but, seriously, they change polling firms a lot.)

besser tot als rot on August 9, 2012 at 11:07 PM

What is being done is you America are being tested.

How much will you take for your life as you know it.

Will you stand up for your liberity, freedom and constitution along with your right to your personal property.

Or will you trade the safety net for your freedom?

They will force you to chose.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on August 9, 2012 at 11:07 PM

TO: MelonCollie

Mittens milquetoast sux and Sarah Palin doesn’t…deal with it!

Pragmatic on August 9, 2012 at 11:07 PM

Cancelled. Off the schedule due to no ratings. Replaced with “Dancing Moms” even if they have to run the same episode 3 times in a row.

Marcus on August 9, 2012 at 11:06 PM

Are you serious??? Really and truly serious? LOL! I have one heck of an imagination…but I couldn’t make this stuff up if I tried!

MelonCollie on August 9, 2012 at 11:09 PM

Mittens is running for POTUS and Sarah Palin is a Pied Piper ditzoid for the right…and I can’t deal with it!

Pragmatic on August 9, 2012 at 11:07 PM

FTFY.

MelonCollie on August 9, 2012 at 11:10 PM

Sorry, but I could care less about this media driven crap!

ccrosby on August 9, 2012 at 10:53 PM

nor I but the fact of the matter is it WAS important to Many people. People that went out took time off from work, spent their hard earned money to send a message not only to the dems but also to the gop. and this people if they did that will also more than likely show up to vote. The message was not recived and the part that was was dismissed by Mitt and his staff. That is not how you make a big tent.

then the Mitt supporters come on places like hotair and call them fatso. It is a perfect example of what I was referring too. Mitt needs to care and resepect what his potential voters care about. I doubt that Obama gioves a rat’s as@ about gay marriage but he knows his voters do so he [pushes it. He does these things to give the people a reason to vote for him to get them out to the polls. Obama unlike Mitt understands this will be a base election. If Obama tamps donw turnout on the GOP side and gets his people to the polls he wins. Mitt seems to want to tamp down conservative votes and give them no reason but their dislike of Obama to go to the polls come Nov. From my own experience watching campaigns for 30 odd years that isn’t good enough. It will depress turnout and in that environment Obama wins.

unseen on August 9, 2012 at 11:11 PM

OT – Greta is interviewing store owners who have been used in Obama campaign ads, they’re not really happy about it…

This is the most corrupt, deceitful, POS adminstration this country has ever seen!

On that note, I have to go make dinner…

Give it the good fight!

ccrosby on August 9, 2012 at 11:11 PM

I the Apachewhoknows sees the unseen.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on August 9, 2012 at 11:13 PM

MelonCollie

re: Jesus only one that can fix things…

have you asked Him to?

2 Chronicles 7:14

avgjo on August 9, 2012 at 11:15 PM

Mitt Romney is a disaster. He’s the first Republican nominee in modern history to have higher negatives than positives (not even Bob Dole had that distinction). His every interaction with regular Americans (and heads of state, for that matter) has ended in an insult. He was a bully when he was younger, and he’s a bully now. Except that instead of shearing off people’s wrong-sized hair, he fires them.

Pragmatic on August 9, 2012 at 11:15 PM

unseen on August 9, 2012 at 11:11 PM

I understand where you’re coming from, but I don’t understand why the “President of the United States” need to comment about every issue the American people find themselves facing.

Obama has set that precident, and I don’t think it’s a good one.

ccrosby on August 9, 2012 at 11:16 PM

while her trainwreck of a daughter is starring in a reality show.

oh so you also believe Mitt murdered that steelworker’s wife?

the same people that attacked and maligned Palin and her family are doing the same thing to Mitt now. guess what it will work because people like you continue to spread the crap that has been force fed to you over years of MSM rotgut. By the time the MSM and the dems are done with Mitt he will be seen as a rich fat cat wall streeter that would walk over the poor and let them die in the gutter.

unseen on August 9, 2012 at 11:18 PM

understand where you’re coming from, but I don’t understand why the “President of the United States” need to comment about every issue the American people find themselves facing.

Obama has set that precident, and I don’t think it’s a good one.

ccrosby on August 9, 2012 at 11:16 PM

POTUs shoudl comment. Candidate/nominee searching for votes should.

unseen on August 9, 2012 at 11:19 PM

Mr. President, although I don’t support you I toast you and your political staff with a frosty, cold mug of Melena. You drink first. Bottoms up!

Mason on August 9, 2012 at 11:19 PM

Lenin was bad. Stalin was worse. Hope and Change is not the answer. As everyone should have learned by now.

besser tot als rot on August 9, 2012 at 11:05 PM

And as much as Romney is NOT the Caped Conservative Crusader some would want at least we can say his policies didn’t kill over 300 Mexican nations 2 USG agents, or even preside over “Kill Lists” in NYT Sunday spreads.

Using that logic, yup still gonna vote for Romney.

BlaxPac on August 9, 2012 at 11:20 PM

POTUs shoudl comment. Candidate/nominee searching for votes should.

unseen on August 9, 2012 at 11:19 PM

should be:

POTUS shouldn’t comment.

Getting late typos are getting bad think I’ll call it a night.

unseen on August 9, 2012 at 11:22 PM

Mitt Romney is a disaster. He’s the first Republican nominee in modern history to have higher negatives than positives (not even Bob Dole had that distinction). His every interaction with regular Americans (and heads of state, for that matter) has ended in an insult. He was a bully when he was younger, and he’s a bully now. Except that instead of shearing off people’s wrong-sized hair, he fires them.
Pragmatic on August 9, 2012 at 11:15 PM

For the love of everything Holy, just shut up.

jawkneemusic on August 9, 2012 at 11:28 PM

Cancelled. Off the schedule due to no ratings. Replaced with “Dancing Moms” even if they have to run the same episode 3 times in a row.

Marcus on August 9, 2012 at 11:06 PM

Are you serious??? Really and truly serious? LOL! I have one heck of an imagination…but I couldn’t make this stuff up if I tried!

MelonCollie on August 9, 2012 at 11:09 PM

What don’t you believe? “Dancing Moms” isn’t that bad a show. I love the big instructor woman. One of the girls wanted to do a flip last night while the group was waiting in a hotel area. The instructor said “Don’t do it, there is cement under this carpet.” So the girl does it (her mom said go ahead) and she broke her foot. Instructor doesn’t flinch, doesn’t move from her chair and says “Told ya not to do that.”

Marcus on August 9, 2012 at 11:29 PM

Mitt Romney is a disaster.

No, Earthquakes are diasaters. He’s a candidate.

He’s the first Republican nominee in modern history to have higher negatives than positives (not even Bob Dole had that distinction).

Okay, because I am ready to turn in…why dont you share that link that shows those numbers, please?

His every interaction with regular Americans (and heads of state, for that matter) has ended in an insult.

Oh wow. So that should be easy to find and post right? Which head of state? Iran? Wazeristan? Newark?

He was a bully when he was younger, and he’s a bully now.

So, he’s a wimpy RINO bully? Come on, pick one at least.

Except that instead of shearing off people’s wrong-sized hair, he fires them.

Pragmatic on August 9, 2012 at 11:15 PM

Yes, because I can’t remember the last time he actually grabbed someone shaved their head and THEN fired them…unless they were on welfare…yeah!

He stole their hair, their job AND the last can of beans they had in the kitchen….that meany!

C’mon, if your trying to go for cute, you’ve barely reached “amusing” after passing “mediocre”.

BlaxPac on August 9, 2012 at 11:29 PM

Mitt is not a fighter. He has shown some signs of fighting back and I have thought that he would make an excellent candidate. But, the crap keeps coming at him and he hardly ever responds. He has to fight back and make his own remarks on offense. Then, people are saying that there is a boatload of money to spend on ads by superpacs after the convention. Spend some of that money now. Also, has that bimbo been fired yet?

The polls, who knows if they make sense or not. But, if NObama wins, we as a country are done. NObama has done so much damage, I don’t know if we can ever get back to being a great nation again.

Mirimichi on August 9, 2012 at 11:29 PM

For the love of everything Holy, just shut up.

jawkneemusic on August 9, 2012 at 11:28 PM

SHUT UP she explained!

Who’s the liberal?

sharrukin on August 9, 2012 at 11:31 PM

understand where you’re coming from, but I don’t understand why the “President of the United States” need to comment about every issue the American people find themselves facing.

Obama has set that precident, and I don’t think it’s a good one.

ccrosby on August 9, 2012 at 11:16 PM

POTUs shoudl comment. Candidate/nominee searching for votes should.

unseen on August 9, 2012 at 11:19 PM

Alrighty then, the President of the United States (or presumptive) should waste his time thinking, commenting about, and come to a some kind of conclusion about an event that was completely driven by a media (who at first WOULD NOT cover it in the first place).

Face it Romney will not get good reviews no matter what he does. And I don’t just mean lib’s when saying this.

ccrosby on August 9, 2012 at 11:33 PM

As of tonight, we are losing. Big time. Will MItt EVER start campaigning? This silly constant speculation about who will be the vp. He needs to get a strong vp candidate who will get out there and FIGHT and get on with it!

AnnaS on August 9, 2012 at 11:34 PM

SHUT UP she explained!

Who’s the liberal?

sharrukin on August 9, 2012 at 11:31 PM

Pragmatic is the liberal, which you’d know if you had the reading comprehension of a 3rd-grader and the IQ of Rush Limbaugh. And he is being told to SHUT UP because he is doing nothing but spouting inane BS.

MelonCollie on August 9, 2012 at 11:34 PM

Pragmatic is the liberal, which you’d know if you had the reading comprehension of a 3rd-grader and the IQ of Rush Limbaugh. And he is being told to SHUT UP because he is doing nothing but spouting inane BS.

MelonCollie on August 9, 2012 at 11:34 PM

Stomp your feet and scream some more. Its very convincing as an argument.

sharrukin on August 9, 2012 at 11:39 PM

SHUT UP she explained!
Who’s the liberal?
sharrukin on August 9, 2012 at 11:31 PM

Whoa! You got me. I am a flaming liberal because I told an obnoxious moron to shut up. You’re uncanny in your ability to determine who the real closet liberals are.

You’re spot on in guessing gender too!

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jawkneemusic on August 9, 2012 at 11:39 PM

Stomp your feet and scream some more. Its very convincing as an argument.

sharrukin on August 9, 2012 at 11:39 PM

You’ve been talking to Dante lately?

MelonCollie on August 9, 2012 at 11:39 PM

You’ve been talking to Dante lately?

MelonCollie on August 9, 2012 at 11:39 PM

If arguing is considered talking then I guess so.

sharrukin on August 9, 2012 at 11:43 PM

As of tonight, we are losing. Big time. Will MItt EVER start campaigning? This silly constant speculation about who will be the vp. He needs to get a strong vp candidate who will get out there and FIGHT and get on with it!
AnnaS on August 9, 2012 at 11:34 PM

No we’re not. You’re falling for the liberal media’s bs.

jawkneemusic on August 9, 2012 at 11:44 PM

Democrats plus 9.

republicans will come out at least equal to democrats

gerrym51 on August 9, 2012 at 11:45 PM

If arguing is considered talking then I guess so.

sharrukin on August 9, 2012 at 11:43 PM

Dante ‘argues’ like a petulant child.

MelonCollie on August 9, 2012 at 11:46 PM

AnnaS on August 9, 2012 at 11:34 PM

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No we’re not. You’re falling for the liberal media’s bs.

jawkneemusic on August 9, 2012 at 11:44 PM

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Thanks. I was starting to panic, after reading the headline.

: )

listens2glenn on August 9, 2012 at 11:49 PM

Dante ‘argues’ like a petulant child.

MelonCollie on August 9, 2012 at 11:46 PM

True. He also likes to play semantic games and to redefine the meaning of words as it suits him.

sharrukin on August 9, 2012 at 11:49 PM

If arguing is considered talking then I guess so.

sharrukin on August 9, 2012 at 11:43 PM

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Dante ‘argues’ like a petulant child.

MelonCollie on August 9, 2012 at 11:46 PM

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Oh, c’mon now … Dante‘s one of the best atheist commenters here.
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Oops . . . . . I guess that doesn’t say much, does it?

listens2glenn on August 9, 2012 at 11:53 PM

Oh, c’mon now … Dante‘s one of the best atheist commenters here.

listens2glenn on August 9, 2012 at 11:53 PM

The best atheist commentators here, are the ones you don’t know are atheists.

sharrukin on August 9, 2012 at 11:57 PM

Surprised to see Fox News oversample Dems by 9. I assume this means our resident Leftists will regard them as a Credible News Source.

As for CNN, they also told us that America bombed Laos with nerve gas.

Del Dolemonte on August 9, 2012 at 11:59 PM

Oh, c’mon now … Dante‘s one of the best atheist commenters here.
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Oops . . . . . I guess that doesn’t say much, does it?

listens2glenn on August 9, 2012 at 11:53 PM

No, not really. That’s about like saying you beat a 6th-grade Sped student in a competition for admission to MENSA.

sharrukin does have a point – the best atheist commentators are the ones who don’t shove it in everyone’s faces. Not unlike gays, IMO.

MelonCollie on August 10, 2012 at 12:02 AM

Now Fox is liberal media?

Politricks on August 10, 2012 at 12:05 AM

Now those people standing in line at Chickfila were most likely a vast majority of potential Mitt voters…
unseen on August 9, 2012 at 10:41 PM

Yes, to diss these people, HIS supporters, which included a huge number of independents and Democrats, it was impossible to understand, inexplicable. And since he did that on Friday most all of the polls show him dropping sharply, especially, we surmise, among independents.

anotherJoe on August 10, 2012 at 12:05 AM

sharrukin on August 9, 2012 at 11:57 PM

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MelonCollie on August 10, 2012 at 12:02 AM

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You’re both exactly right, I should have worded that better.

I have all the respect in the world for Allah’, and wouldn’t even know about his atheism, if others here didn’t mention it.

It’s always the “militant activists” that give the rest of any demographic a bad name.

listens2glenn on August 10, 2012 at 12:10 AM

I’m seeing way too many shades of McCain ’08 in Romney. He has to give the voters a reason to support him over Obama or he’s toast. “The economy sucks, blame Obama” isn’t going to do it.

The Romneycare train wreck was the worst possible omen that reaffirmed every conservative’s worst fears about Romney and Co. (at best, he has no consistent principles, at worst, he’s statism lite). I still want him to win (Supreme Court, gotta keep Obama away from it, Roberts notwithstanding) but dammit, he needs to stop playing defense, stop being a squish, figure it out, and FIGHT. Or it’s 2008 all over again.

Hawkins1701 on August 10, 2012 at 12:10 AM

It’s always the “militant activists” that give the rest of any demographic a bad name.

listens2glenn on August 10, 2012 at 12:10 AM

Yup, and unfortunately there seem to be more of them all the time. They worry me because they are obviously looking for something to believe even as they disparage Christians.

sharrukin on August 10, 2012 at 12:14 AM

Another issue with the CNN poll. If you look at their July poll and compare it to this most recent poll, there is an 18 point swing among independents.

This, is not, feasible. If there were really such a huge swing over the course of July, we would’ve seen a consistent decay among Romney in each and every poll consistently, without exception.

The fact that we do NOT see a consistent drop like this, suggests a major outlier among independents. I mean really, I could name at least three polls at the top of my head that don’t indicate anything remotely like this sort of shift.

WolvenOne on August 10, 2012 at 12:29 AM

My Dad thinks that Mitt will take the mittens off after the Convention. He better come out swinging like Rocky Graziano!

MCGIRV on August 10, 2012 at 12:31 AM

There are many venal idiots in this country – let’s hope they stay home in November.

disa on August 10, 2012 at 12:43 AM

Sarah Palin has more cojones than mittens EVER will!

Pragmatic

Then why didn’t the cajones queen sack up and get in the race like all the other candidates did, Mitt included?

xblade on August 10, 2012 at 12:43 AM

mittens is a spineless coward with a bucketful of sons, none of whom saw fit to serve their country in the military…i don’t want a commander in chief who rasied a houseful of wusses..do you? .. ..and obambi sux too!

Pragmatic

Some lucky village is still missing its idiot, lol.

xblade on August 10, 2012 at 12:45 AM

Some lucky village is still missing its idiot, lol.

xblade on August 10, 2012 at 12:45 AM

He makes you look like Einstein, and that’s not counting the spelling/grammar errors that suggests he flunked out of 6th grade at Freddy Higgenbottom Elementary.

MelonCollie on August 10, 2012 at 12:48 AM

Mittens milquetoast sux and Sarah Palin doesn’t…deal with it!

Pragmatic

Sucks for Todd then.

Ba ZING.

xblade on August 10, 2012 at 12:58 AM

He makes you look like Einstein, and that’s not counting the spelling/grammar errors that suggests he flunked out of 6th grade at Freddy Higgenbottom Elementary.

MelonCollie

Make it two lucky villages.

xblade on August 10, 2012 at 12:58 AM

Make it two lucky villages.

xblade on August 10, 2012 at 12:58 AM

Eh, three, he’s dumb enough for all of ‘em.

Just had a funny vision of Granny Clampett scolding him…

MelonCollie on August 10, 2012 at 1:03 AM

1 Obama’s team unleashed a blitz of televised lies and slanders.
2 Romney decided not to get “down and dirty” and fight back.
3 By not launching a counter-attack Romney has successfully been DEFINED in the minds of certain American voters as a heartless, uncaring, murdering creep. (He is a creep but all the rest is untrue)
4 This is a skilled team of Chicago character assassins who did the same thing to both Clintons, McCain and Palin. Palin’s reputation hasn’t recovered yet.
5 These slanders, deceptions, falsehoods and distortions go completely unchallenged by a MSM totally enamored of Obama. Without this acquiescence on the part of the MSM, such thuggery would be impossible.
6 Meanwhile during his first four years of incompetence OBAMA HAS ACTUALLY INCREASED HIS VOTING BASE with now about 50% of the populace paying NO income taxes and over 100 million on some kind of welfare (including 34 million on Medicaid and 54 million collecting food stampss-with Obama advertising for even more handouts! Thus the more Obama f____ up the bigger his voting base becomes. A King Midas in reverse.
7 The ONLY chance an utterly boring Romney has is to select a VP candidate with a larger personality than a paper weight. The only two I can think of are Rubio and Jindal— and get somebody like Dick Morris to manage his campaign.

MaiDee on August 10, 2012 at 1:28 AM

The only information in the CNN poll of 1011 adults (911 registered, nearly 15% higher than the national rate of eligibles) is that the questions for the party people included “419 Republicans AND Republican-leaning independents.” So you can bet that sample is skewed, too.

The historical correlation between polls before the conventions (and before the challenger has named a running mate) and election results are rather low. If this stuff worries you, lay in the big supply of Depends for the fall.

Adjoran on August 10, 2012 at 1:42 AM

How far have the loon commie Democrats of the Clinton/Obama type sunk American Pride?

google this

Hilary Clinton does the butt f in africa

That is about a low as it goes, just that they have such low morals.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on August 9, 2012 at 11:02 PM

That is pretty bad, and I hate those Mao jackets she wears.

Alana on August 10, 2012 at 2:11 AM

Don’t focus on the topline numbers since it’s hard to gauge how reliable they are.

Yes, let’s also ignore the idea that the GOP candidate sucks. Since we all think Obama’s a disaster, naturally everyone else should realize that.

Doesn’t work that way. McCain the Second needs to get his act together.

Dr. ZhivBlago on August 10, 2012 at 2:52 AM

It’s hopeless, this once great Republic is lost . . . they want a Marxist regime in power and they want to be wards of the government, so let’s stop wasting time and money on this fruitless political process and let them have it. Take your share before its gone. Sad but true.

rplat on August 10, 2012 at 3:19 AM

Ether Fox news poll is lying or Rasmussen is lying.What has changed from Fox last poll Dem +4 to now Dem +9?Did i miss something ?Rasmussen has the party affiliation Rep just under 35% and the Dems just under 34%.For Fox to give the Dems a +4 much less now a +9 is just plain dishonest.Just about ever poll out there gives Obama around 38% to 40% approval on his handling of the economy the number one issue in this election .Yet we are supposed to believe 50% of the voters will vote to give him a second term.PS Rasmussen polls has not had Obama approval rating above 47% or 48% in over a year.As i said someone is lying.

logman1 on August 10, 2012 at 6:43 AM

Ugh. Well folks. Both of these poll are hopelessly skewed left. FoxNews polling has always oversampled Democrats so nothing new there.

mitchellvii on August 10, 2012 at 6:44 AM

I try to keep a positive thought but I still believe that 2012 is just about our last chance for a peaceful transition of power. Mitt may be the last Republican I’d ever want for a candidate but Obama is the political equivalent of the anti-Christ and is bent on bringing destruction to a country I love and a Constitution I have vowed to protect and defend. If you believe as I do and still refuse to vote for Romney, all I can say is Whisky-Tango-Foxtrot, dude. I don’t understand you, not even a little.

SKYFOX on August 10, 2012 at 7:29 AM

I try to keep a positive thought but I still believe that 2012 is just about our last chance for a peaceful transition of power.

SKYFOX on August 10, 2012 at 7:29 AM

Yep, last chance… at least until the bottom falls out.

petefrt on August 10, 2012 at 7:43 AM

Amazingly, The One’s not paying much of a price yet for negativity

It’s not at all amazing. The nation’s entire moral base could be stuffed into a…well, a Volt.

The commies being smarter at taking down America than our GOP is in protecting it, long ago decide that our strength was in our family values and in our religion (goodness and truth), our character and our eagerness to succeed.

They didn’t attack through economics as much as they brought in the evil of envy (those rich) hedonism, sexual excess, the culture of death, single parenthood is government power, and permissiveness, sloth as a reward for race victimization, and set us against each other in every possible way.

It worked. The Majority of Catholics will vote for the man who is 180 degrees opposed to their faith and their God (Nature’s God)and is tearing their religion apart. Social issues are their weapon while our GOP money folks don’t wish to hear a word about where the real battle is/has taking place.
The GOP could care (until Romney saw the poll numbers on “religious”(huh)people who would still vote for evil. His new ad is just a desperate sort of a mea culpa for his pro gay stances.

The socialist Dems, Satanic as they are, saw our weak underbelly and propagandized all of us for decade now, from the rebellious Sixties on, to become morally corrupt, offering a steady diet of sex, pornography, guilt free slaughter of any innocent offspring, and earthly comfort, coupled with sloth and free lunches (one of three on government welfare of some type) if we just vote for them.

They infiltrated churches and schools to do this as part of the plan. They are patient.

Folks it was “social issues”(God and values) that made this nation great and it was failing to realize that in favor of the money gods, that we now stand to lose it.

Don L on August 10, 2012 at 8:13 AM

Don L on August 10, 2012 at 8:13 AM

Amen, Don L. Amen 1000+!

avagreen on August 10, 2012 at 8:25 AM

TO: Don L

Does mittens worship the money god?

Pragmatic on August 10, 2012 at 8:42 AM

Don’t focus on the topline numbers since it’s hard to gauge how reliable they are. The Fox poll has O leading 49/40 based on a sample of D+9; last month he led 45/41 with a sample of just D+4. As for CNN, they’ve got Obama up 52/45 but provide no partisan breakdown with which to judge the sample.

Allah, you could have stopped right there. D+9 in one and no breakdown given in the other? Garbage. And the crosstabs are as garbagey as the toplines.

Missy on August 10, 2012 at 8:49 AM

None has said it better, Don L.

This election should be a slam dunk for Anybody But Obama. With the degradation and the dependency culture that has developed, it scares the crap out of me. Takers vs. makers, selfish vs. selfless, sense vs. senseless, clothed vs. naked… Even the Republicans are split between conservatives and opportunists. Is it really 50-50? Other than impressions from personal interaction, the media covers it well making anyone on the conservative side seem to be in a very small box.

ironked on August 10, 2012 at 8:58 AM

This is why Romney needs to pick Rand Paul. He will pick up libertarians, independents, even some democrats, and a few conservatives who consider Rand (Kentucky) to be more palatable than Romney. We need to win this! And though Paul Ryan is my favorite, and essential to the team, I think putting him in as VP is silly, because the VP position is toothless compared to what he is doing right now. That is where he can help restore this country!

Peggy Snow Cahill on August 10, 2012 at 9:11 AM

The fact that a obvious Marxist/Communist outed by Joe The Plumber and Gawd Dam America Jeremiah Wright was elected is all the proof one needs to see that America is just one step away from being transformed into a stinking Communist state. Thank you John McCain, you useless POS. And like it or not, the useless Republican party has contibuted to be a big part of our demise. The RINO party did nothing to stop the Mexicanization of our country by 40 million illegals who have not and will not assimilate into our culture or become loyal to the USA. It also took millions of low income taxpayers off the rolls of those paying taxes, thus taking them out of having skin in the game, while cutting taxes for the wealthy, thus giving more Gov’t. dependents a reason to vote democratic. Instead of having a conservative agenda of smaller government, less spending, and stressing individual freedom and responsibility, the RINO party kissed the ass of big spending,and big government liberals and went along to get along, all the while caring only about getting reelected.

Pubs suck and always have. They have never been a conservative party other than in words to con the conservative voters into voting for them. Romney is no better than Obama. Why waste time voting when it’s a choice between an ass clown and a clown?

they lie on August 10, 2012 at 9:14 AM

Rasmussen today still has Romney up 4 over barack, 47-43. That’s likely voters.

Rational Thought on August 10, 2012 at 9:40 AM

CNN won’t release their partisan breakowns, but this guy does some math and finds the CNN poll is D +17. That’s right. D +17. Damn it’s nice to have media pollsters in the tank for you, huh?

Rational Thought on August 10, 2012 at 9:45 AM

Don L on August 10, 2012 at 8:13 AM

I couldn’t agree more.

Also: God help us all. :-(

Grace_is_sufficient on August 10, 2012 at 9:50 AM

CNN won’t release their partisan breakowns, but this guy does some math and finds the CNN poll is D +17. That’s right. D +17. Damn it’s nice to have media pollsters in the tank for you, huh?

Rational Thought on August 10, 2012 at 9:45 AM

This needs to be broadcast far and wide….but only among conservatives. Let the low-information voters think it’s a slam-dunk for Obama and stay home to watch reruns of The Housewives of Beverly Hills on television.

Grace_is_sufficient on August 10, 2012 at 9:56 AM

Ether Fox news poll is lying or Rasmussen is lying.What has changed from Fox last poll Dem +4 to now Dem +9?Did i miss something ?Rasmussen has the party affiliation Rep just under 35% and the Dems just under 34%.For Fox to give the Dems a +4 much less now a +9 is just plain dishonest.Just about ever poll out there gives Obama around 38% to 40% approval on his handling of the economy the number one issue in this election .Yet we are supposed to believe 50% of the voters will vote to give him a second term.PS Rasmussen polls has not had Obama approval rating above 47% or 48% in over a year.As i said someone is lying.

logman1 on August 10, 2012 at 6:43 AM

The D/R/I for the Fox News poll is 44/35/14, with 7% who “Refused” to give party affiliation. Given that liberals hate Fox News, those who “Refused” are probably liberals afraid that Fox News would hang up on them if they said they were Democrats. So in a sample that likely contains 51% Democrats and liberals, Obama got “only” 49%.

Rasmussen’s “tracking poll” over the past year has shown percentages of voters who “Strongly Disapprove” of Obama’s job performance in the low 40′s, and those who “Strongly Approve” in the mid to upper 20′s. Strong Disapprovers will turn out in force for Romney to get rid of Obama, while Strong Approvers will vote for Obama. This leaves about 30% who don’t feel strongly either way, and Romney only needs about 1/3 of them to vote for him to win the election.

Steve Z on August 10, 2012 at 9:57 AM

Hmmm. Today’s Rasmussen poll shows Romney with a 4% national lead.

honsy on August 9, 2012 at 8:12 PM

This is all you need to know.

bob77 on August 10, 2012 at 10:07 AM

Fox Poll is Barry 49, and Romney 40.

All morning , the talking heads were lazily repeating the meme Barry’s lead increased and Romney slipped compared to the poll in July. Barry lead increased by 4, and Romney slipped by 1, and the attack ads had worked. Please look at it more closely.

The party breakdown is D 44 R 35 I 14 Refused to Identify 6.
for a +9 for Dem on first glance.

But the breakdown from the in July was
D 42 R 38 I 18 and Refused 3

There were more Dem (+2) surveyed and fewer Republicans (-3)in August sampled compared to poll July. When one takes into account the sample change and MOE, there may actually be no change whatsoever, in the marginal difference between the last poll and this new one.

The number of people who refused to answer party ID has also increased by 3%, who knows how many of those were actually Dems.

I am really ticked off at statistic noises being taken by professional statisticians as trends, and the ignorant but mouthy talking heads just repeating the without even taking a deeper look.

bayview on August 10, 2012 at 10:15 AM

CNN won’t release their partisan breakowns, but this guy does some math and finds the CNN poll is D +17. That’s right. D +17. Damn it’s nice to have media pollsters in the tank for you, huh?

Rational Thought on August 10, 2012 at 9:45 AM

I pointed those pointed out yesterday. You do have to take out maybe 5% undecided. There may be a +12 Dems overweight in that CNN poll. CNN never reports the internals of its poll, but the Republican sample slipped out in an subset analyzed.

bayview on August 10, 2012 at 10:23 AM

As Obama was pandering to women yesterday, I saw signs that stated something to the effect of “women’s health issues”. Can anyone explain what the means, and why there’s no such thing as “men’s health issues”?

Also, maybe a lady out there could explain why women tend to vote for “American Idols” instead of someone to run the country instead of running it into the ground.

cajunpatriot on August 10, 2012 at 10:55 AM

I’ve heard Dick Morris point this out several times and while it would seem to go against the polling it makes sense, at least to me.
1.) Republican and republican leaning voters are more motivated this year than in ’08.
2.) Of those that voted McCain in ’08 none are likely to have switched their thinking to the Obama camp this time.
3.) A great many that voted Hope-n-change in ’08 are unhappy with the results and either aren’t voting Obama or aren’t voting at all.

In the small sampling that is my world I don’t know anyone that has historically been Rubulican that has switshed loyalties to the Dems. I do know a few that have switch to Ind. or NPA but they will still vote Romney when the time comes. Even my neighbor that claims to have written in Ron Paul last time has said he will vote for Romney as his “principled” vote for Paul is wasted and is almost the same as a vote for Obama. I know several Dems and while many are still going to support Obama many will not.
In short Romney will do better than McCain did and Obama will not do as well. Will it be enough? I hope so!

conservativecaveman on August 10, 2012 at 10:57 AM

CNN won’t release their partisan breakowns, but this guy does some math and finds the CNN poll is D +17. That’s right. D +17. Damn it’s nice to have media pollsters in the tank for you, huh?

Rational Thought on August 10, 2012 at 9:45 AM

I did the math for the CNN poll based on the overall intentions to vote, and intentions by Democrats, Republicans, and Independents. Assuming that Democrats + Republicans + Indies = 100%, I got 44.5% D, 37.0% R, and 18.5% I.

One problem here is when the Indie split is very close to the overall vote, the denominator is very close to zero, so that any round-off error in the percentages translates to a huge difference in a “back-calculated” partisan split in the sample, unless it is actually given by the pollster.

It’s not D+17, but there’s no way the overall electorate will have anywhere near 44% Democrats, and the Indies are badly under-sampled, which is also true of the Fox News poll.

If the internals of the CNN poll are applied to a more “reasonable” electorate of 35%D / 35%R / 30%I, the overall result would be Obama 49.5, Romney 47.3. Romney still needs to work to win the Independent vote.

Steve Z on August 10, 2012 at 10:57 AM

Hmmm. Today’s Rasmussen poll shows Romney with a 4% national lead.

honsy on August 9, 2012 at 8:12 PM

Yep. Carter led Reagan all the way into October, and then was clobbered in a landslide.

labrat on August 10, 2012 at 11:07 AM

If enthusiasm means anything, the Republicans have it. In Oakland County during Michigan’s recent primary, (with a total turnout of almost 26%, abysmal, I agree) Republicans numbered 124,554 while Democrats numbered 98,127. Not a huge difference, but it’s something. I know I sound like a cockeyed optimist, but I can’t believe Americans are going to go for another four years of divisive, dismissive, incompetence from this administration. If they do, I’m moving to Canada.

totherightofthem on August 10, 2012 at 11:12 AM

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