Obama now leads Romney by 11 among independents in new CNN and Fox News polls

posted at 8:01 pm on August 9, 2012 by Allahpundit

Don’t focus on the topline numbers since it’s hard to gauge how reliable they are. The Fox poll has O leading 49/40 based on a sample of D+9; last month he led 45/41 with a sample of just D+4. As for CNN, they’ve got Obama up 52/45 but provide no partisan breakdown with which to judge the sample.

What to do, then? Let’s focus on the indies. CNN:

The margin of error increases for a subsample, as you can see, but that’s a lot of cushion for the Unicorn Prince. No mystery where it’s coming from, either: According to CNN, 52 percent of indies have an unfavorable view of Romney now compared to just 40 percent who had one in May. Fox sees a similar overall margin:

Lots of undecideds there, obviously, but the trendlines in Romney’s favorables aren’t encouraging after a solid month of Bain-mania. CNN’s and Fox’s numbers, respectively:

Amazingly, The One’s not paying much of a price yet for negativity. When asked if Romney has attacked Obama unfairly, the response is 44/50 between “has” and “has not.” Obama’s numbers are almost identical at 45/49, suggesting that perceptions on this question are still breaking along predictable party lines. Maybe that’ll change in the next week or two; this poll was conducted over the last few days, before the sleaze-tastic steelworker ad really started buzzing.

I don’t like the looks of either of these numbers, though:

Of the last four elections, only Clinton in 1996 had more lopsided numbers on that last question. (On the other hand, by a margin of 52/37, voters expected Gore to defeat Bush as of mid-September 2000.) Here’s the key question: Given that Romney and the constellation of conservative Super PACs have yet to really unload on O, there’s obviously going to be some movement in his numbers down the line just as there’s been movement in Romney’s numbers now after the Bain attacks. But how much? The two sides aren’t similarly situated; Romney’s an unknown quantity for most while Obama’s been the most famous man on the planet for four years. Not only does that make it harder for the GOP to define him than it was for him to define Mitt, but it gives O a much simpler task with regard to the shrinking pool of undecideds. Those people are already wary of reelecting him (that’s why they’re undecided), so they’re essentially Romney persuadables. Romney needs to persuade them, but all Obama needs to do is keep Romney on the defensive and keep the campaign dumb and nasty so that those persuadables stop caring and stay home. It’s incredibly cynical but it’s his best bet. If you believe these two polls, it’s working okay so far.


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BS

Dingbat63 on August 9, 2012 at 8:02 PM

Lies, damned lies and statistics.

Rixon on August 9, 2012 at 8:02 PM

BS…its from Fox so it cannot be true…right Libs?

Dingbat63 on August 9, 2012 at 8:03 PM

What? No “Dude I’m Nervous” line?

wargamer6 on August 9, 2012 at 8:03 PM

Yeah yeah right!

I do not believe polls…

Scrumpy on August 9, 2012 at 8:04 PM

Que the ABRs and libtard trolls in 5..4..3..2..1..

wargamer6 on August 9, 2012 at 8:04 PM

meh… it’s still summer. Nobody is paying attention.

johnnyboy on August 9, 2012 at 8:04 PM

Eeyore flag is rising

Cripe

cmsinaz on August 9, 2012 at 8:05 PM

All these polls tell me is BS, that’s it.

bgibbs1000 on August 9, 2012 at 8:05 PM

The One’s not paying much of a price yet for negativity.

Yeah, Dewhurst was sayin’ the same thing. Even found some polls to back it up.

cozmo on August 9, 2012 at 8:05 PM

Polls are useless till the one that happens the first Tuesday in November.

njrob on August 9, 2012 at 8:05 PM

Clinton/Dole meet Obama/Romney!

You two elections have so much in common.

gumbyandpokey on August 9, 2012 at 8:06 PM

There can’t be that many stupid people…

PatriotRider on August 9, 2012 at 8:06 PM

“Polls are useless till the one that happens the first Tuesday in November.”

Says the losing side every single time, lol.

gumbyandpokey on August 9, 2012 at 8:06 PM

Let me know when Gallup starts moving significantly.

The Count on August 9, 2012 at 8:06 PM

True or not, AP’s gonna get a swirlie for this one.

abobo on August 9, 2012 at 8:07 PM

And AP, when you look at the leaners in the poll, it shows that all the Indy’s are really Dems in disguise. That’ll be the newest way these crooked polls will be rigged. Call Democrats that vote for Obama independents and oversample them and official Democrats.

njrob on August 9, 2012 at 8:07 PM

There can’t be that many stupid people…

PatriotRider on August 9, 2012 at 8:06 PM

52%

sharrukin on August 9, 2012 at 8:08 PM

I don’t buy it. I live in Illinois. From what I’ve seen, the enthusiasm for Obama just isn’t there this time around.

iceman1960 on August 9, 2012 at 8:08 PM

gumbyandpokey on August 9, 2012 at 8:06 PM

Troll boy, hope you have a brass set enough to come back here November 7th. I’ll look forward to it.

njrob on August 9, 2012 at 8:08 PM

“meh… it’s still summer. Nobody is paying attention.”

If nobody was paying attention, the numbers would have stayed the same, instead of Obama surging and Romney tanking. Some people are obviously paying attention to the attacks, just like they paid attention to Clinton attacking Dole and Kerry getting swiftboated.

gumbyandpokey on August 9, 2012 at 8:08 PM

Sorry, don’t believe it.

J.E. Dyer on August 9, 2012 at 8:09 PM

Andrea Saul has issued the Romney campaign response to these polls: “In Massachusetts all pollsters have health insurance thanks to Mitt Romney.”

Mark1971 on August 9, 2012 at 8:09 PM

So Obama’s gambit here may wind up helping him. Soptic’s wife was white and female (presumably as to the former, required by the then-existing laws for the latter). The sob story is deliberately chosen to turn white female undecided voters away from the election — they may despise Obama, especially after this ad, but they’ll still remember the lie, won’t they?

Obama’s strategy is to simply disgust all voters except for his hardest-core partisans and depress the vote of all groups except those reliable Obamabots.

Everything he does must be seen in this light — yes, he’s turning people off, but he’s turning people off from politics as a general matter, turning them off of voting, period.

Which is his only hope.

Fools will be fooled.

“Under me energy prices will necessarily sky rocket” or some such.

Enjoy being idiots, so-called indies. Nah, you are slaves and sheeple.

Schadenfreude on August 9, 2012 at 8:10 PM

It’s because Romney murders women.

faraway on August 9, 2012 at 8:10 PM

Romney and SuperPAC’s have an arsenal of ad money to unload, while Obama’s reserves are mostly depleted. I still don’t know what Obama is going to have to say for himself in the debates, which the whole country will be watching.

The Count on August 9, 2012 at 8:10 PM

Degenerate in Chief

Schadenfreude on August 9, 2012 at 8:10 PM

I’ve maintained that Romney’s shirking of the Chick Fil A issue has SERIOUSLY hurt him with Dem leaning independents, and Dems, not to mention the base. Mitt is also not scoring any points among Dem leaning independents by constantly evading (instead of highlighting) the illegal immigration issue.

anotherJoe on August 9, 2012 at 8:11 PM

Having accomplished nothing in the past two years, how would Obama accomplish anything in the next four after such a campaign?

Schadenfreude on August 9, 2012 at 8:11 PM

Andrea Saul has issued the Romney campaign response to these polls: “In Massachusetts all pollsters have health insurance thanks to Mitt Romney.”

Mark1971 on August 9, 2012 at 8:09 PM

**Snort**

Night Owl on August 9, 2012 at 8:12 PM

Sorry, but I have to be honest.

Anyone who thought Romney was going to be a good candidate is an idiot.

And anyone who thought Romney was going to win is an idiot.

The evidence is in and he’s a terrible candidate who is already getting slaughtered.

gumbyandpokey on August 9, 2012 at 8:12 PM

Do the “independents” who support Obama want a fascist at the helm? Obama wants to do for other manufacturers what he did to the auto industry, or so he says.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/08/09/obama_lets_repeat_auto_bailout_with_every_industry.html

onlineanalyst on August 9, 2012 at 8:12 PM

gumbyandpokey on August 9, 2012 at 8:06 PM

Troll boy, hope you have a brass set enough to come back here November 7th. I’ll look forward to it.

njrob on August 9, 2012 at 8:08 PM

Nah he won’t. His gumby is going to be sore from the severe pokey he took the night before.

arnold ziffel on August 9, 2012 at 8:12 PM

LOL. I have been getting at least two polling calls, 5-6 days a week for MONTHS, literally hundreds of calls since the beginning of the year. I have never answered – I don’t know anyone who answers these calls. Who are these magical people who respond to these polls?

Pork-Chop on August 9, 2012 at 8:12 PM

Hmmm. Today’s Rasmussen poll shows Romney with a 4% national lead.

honsy on August 9, 2012 at 8:12 PM

Snubbing the base is really working out for Romney with independents-I see. That’s what you get by putting aside loyal voters for fickle people..

melle1228 on August 9, 2012 at 8:12 PM

Independents.
Every four years, a different set of values.
It’s only August. They probably don’t even know who’s running yet.

AllahsNippleHair on August 9, 2012 at 8:12 PM

I’m telling you folks… I’m surrounded by Dems, and other than the hardcore libs, they just don’t have the fight in them this time around.

iceman1960 on August 9, 2012 at 8:14 PM

There can’t be that many stupid people…

PatriotRider on August 9, 2012 at 8:06 PM

Don’t bet on it.

clippermiami on August 9, 2012 at 8:14 PM

fox is no different from any other corp or the govt.(obama). The orders come from the top.Period! Fox is a tool of rupert a man who has papers running page six girls, shep on twice a day( I didn’t think anything would force me to watch reruns of Bonanza)and hacking accounts. He will do anything for ratings as will his main
POS orielly. And ratings for fox have not been good. If your eating at fox your being screwed. At least you know what your eating at MSNBC is crap. You notice Holder’s threat to expand the hacking investigation to the USA hasn’t materialized. Hmmm???

rik on August 9, 2012 at 8:14 PM

I’ve maintained that Romney’s shirking of the Chick Fil A issue has SERIOUSLY hurt him with Dem leaning independents, and Dems, not to mention the base. Mitt is also not scoring any points among Dem leaning independents by constantly evading (instead of highlighting) the illegal immigration issue.

anotherJoe on August 9, 2012 at 8:11 PM

Yep some of those are blue dogs who are conservative socially. And it certainly doesn’t help that Romney’s spokeperson is touting Romneycare.

melle1228 on August 9, 2012 at 8:14 PM

I still don’t know what Obama is going to have to say for himself in the debates, which the whole country will be watching.

The Count on August 9, 2012 at 8:10 PM

It’s all Bush’s fault! And Romney is just another Bush!

honsy on August 9, 2012 at 8:15 PM

A majority say the economy is the most important issue in this election, and trust Romney more than Obama to fix the economy, but the Fox poll still shows a lead for Obama? Sorry, the poll is obviously garbage.

eyedoc on August 9, 2012 at 8:15 PM

Sorry, but I have to be honest.

gumbyandpokey on August 9, 2012 at 8:12 PM

Why? You’ve never been that here before.

Oh, you weren’t this time either…you just lie about it.

Got it.

cozmo on August 9, 2012 at 8:15 PM

Can someone explain to me why Fox pollsters would use a partisan turnout model that favors Democrats more than in 2008? Suppress Obama fundraising? Goad Romney into a bolder VP pick?

The Count on August 9, 2012 at 8:15 PM

I’ve maintained that Romney’s shirking of the Chick Fil A issue has SERIOUSLY hurt him with Dem leaning independents, and Dems, not to mention the base. Mitt is also not scoring any points among Dem leaning independents by constantly evading (instead of highlighting) the illegal immigration issue.

anotherJoe on August 9, 2012 at 8:11 PM

This makes no sense..for one thing Obama did not say anything about it either and for another Obama supports gay marriage..I do not think it had any effect at all on either one of them. Most people have already forgotten about it. As for immigration..why are you talking about Democrats? Romney is more conservative on this issue than Obama is, that is already established.

I do not get what you are saying.

Terrye on August 9, 2012 at 8:16 PM

Chik-fil-A got jack to do with Romney.

It’s the economy, first and foremost.

The overwhelming sentiment in our little slice of entrepreneurial Heaven, whenever The Present is on the tube, is derision and scorn. To. A. One. It’s astonishing. Doesn’t matter if they’re a tourist or a local.

tree hugging sister on August 9, 2012 at 8:16 PM

I will not follow polls. I will not follow polls. I will not follow polls. I will not follow polls.

gophergirl on August 9, 2012 at 8:16 PM

If these numbers don’t light a fire under Romney, nothing will. I expect Romney to plod along to losing in November.

RedRedRice on August 9, 2012 at 8:16 PM

If obama somehow gets reelected the bar will have been set. You basically can have every indicator in the crapper and still win. I simply cant believe how any independent could vote for him. Boggles the mind.

lostinjrz on August 9, 2012 at 8:16 PM

I’m telling you folks… I’m surrounded by Dems, and other than the hardcore libs, they just don’t have the fight in them this time around.

iceman1960 on August 9, 2012 at 8:14 PM

They never have. If they had the the fight in them they wouldn’t be bum democraps

rik on August 9, 2012 at 8:17 PM

I maintain a healthy skepticism about these polls, but the constant drumbeat is somewhat troubling. Obama probably has forced some kind of movement with his carpet-bombing and in a close race, even a slight movement his way may prove decisive.

Romney’s not out of this — not by a long shot. The VP selection and the convention are golden opportunities to introduce himself to the public in a serious way.

I am starting to think, however, that Romney will need to offer some positive reasons to vote for him, rather than just concentrate on why Obama sucks.

Revenant on August 9, 2012 at 8:17 PM

Electable.

Stoic Patriot on August 9, 2012 at 8:17 PM

Can someone explain to me why Fox pollsters would use a partisan turnout model that favors Democrats more than in 2008? Suppress Obama fundraising? Goad Romney into a bolder VP pick?

The Count on August 9, 2012 at 8:15 PM

I think Fox is a bit too worried what “other” people think then being conservative.

They are still better than CNN and MSNBC but they’ve lost a lot of what used to make them great IMO.

gophergirl on August 9, 2012 at 8:17 PM

In LA, a Prius with a NObama bumper sticker. My (few) limo- liberal friends who no longer defend Obama and admit that Romney would not be a bad president. The enthusiasm of usually non-politically – active conservatives. These things tell me more than any polls.

LASue on August 9, 2012 at 8:17 PM

Iowahawk covered political polling and the BS of ‘margin of error’ definitively yesterday:

http://iowahawk.typepad.com/iowahawk/2008/10/balls-and-urns.html

Just a taste:

What if 40% of the balls have personally chosen to live in an urn that you legally can’t stick your hand into?
What if 50% of the balls who live in the legal urn explicitly refuse to let you select them?
What if the balls inside the urn are constantly interacting and talking and arguing with each other, and can decide to change their color on a whim?

It’s his brand of Humorous and Dead On.

#Iowahawk2012

GruntDoc on August 9, 2012 at 8:17 PM

This is what happens when your staff sits around in Boston pissing their pants and worrying how every little thing they say will be perceived.

Mark1971 on August 9, 2012 at 8:18 PM

There’s yet to be a debate and TFGRP won’t be able to have some lackey say “Romney killed someone”, he will have to answer and do so without a prompter.

The stuttering clusterfud is going to scare the shiznatch out of everyone watching when he inevitably says what’s really on his mind.

Bishop on August 9, 2012 at 8:18 PM

Can someone explain to me why Fox pollsters would use a partisan turnout model that favors Democrats more than in 2008? Suppress Obama fundraising? Goad Romney into a bolder VP pick?

The Count on August 9, 2012 at 8:15 PM

Tonight on Special Report Bret Baire had a statement from the people doing the poll and they claimed that they could not find enough Republicans…yep, that is what they said.

Funny, Rasmussen can…and Rasmussen has Romney 4 ahead.

I honestly do not know what to believe.

Terrye on August 9, 2012 at 8:18 PM

Polls are useless till the one that happens the first Tuesday in November.

njrob on August 9, 2012 at 8:05 PM

Lololol. It will be fun coming here on election night. I still remember the scene at the McCain 08 “victory party”. That scene was gold.

Uppereastside on August 9, 2012 at 8:18 PM

Meh. Not where he wants to be, but I’m pretty confident Romney’s gonna win in November. People still vote their pocketbooks. Always have; always will.

Rational Thought on August 9, 2012 at 8:18 PM

 
Bye Bye America – we’ll leave a light on for ya.
 

ignatzk on August 9, 2012 at 8:19 PM

I don’t buy it. I live in Illinois. From what I’ve seen, the enthusiasm for Obama just isn’t there this time around.

iceman1960 on August 9, 2012 at 8:08 PM

And I don’t think even IL is the slam-dunk for Obama that everyone thinks it is. The state went very red in 2010. It all depends on turnout everywhere.

stukinIL4now on August 9, 2012 at 8:19 PM

My gold standard for gauging the national election this far out has always been averaging the daily results of Gallup and Rasmussen. They’ve done this far longer and far more frequently than their competitors.

Statistical noise has made them bounce around alot, but in the past week, the average has been in between Obama +3 and Romney +2, so statistically a dead heat. I think that’s where we are. When they start showing these same patterns, I’ll take these others seriously.

LukeinNE on August 9, 2012 at 8:19 PM

They never have. If they had the the fight in them they wouldn’t be bum democraps

rik on August 9, 2012 at 8:17 PM

No, it’s different around here (Illinois). They were on fire and fired up in 2008. I’m telling you the thrill is gone.

iceman1960 on August 9, 2012 at 8:20 PM

Don’t focus on the topline numbers since it’s hard to gauge how reliable they are.
==================

True Dat!

Keep da Faith Everyone!

canopfor on August 9, 2012 at 8:20 PM

Tonight on Special Report Bret Baire had a statement from the people doing the poll and they claimed that they could not find enough Republicans…yep, that is what they said.

Funny, Rasmussen can…and Rasmussen has Romney 4 ahead.

I honestly do not know what to believe.

Terrye on August 9, 2012 at 8:18 PM

So basically the poll is a POS. Fox should have never published it.

Don’t believe polls period.

gophergirl on August 9, 2012 at 8:20 PM

Lololol. It will be fun coming here on election night.

Uppereastside on August 9, 2012 at 8:18 PM

Then be here, if you dare.

cozmo on August 9, 2012 at 8:20 PM

gumbyandpokey on August 9, 2012 at 8:12 PM

As usual, you spew completely unencumbered by facts. Do you get headaches with your stupidity?

AubieJon on August 9, 2012 at 8:20 PM

Can someone explain to me why Fox pollsters would use a partisan turnout model that favors Democrats more than in 2008? Suppress Obama fundraising? Goad Romney into a bolder VP pick?

The Count on August 9, 2012 at 8:15 PM

Traffic bait. Just like everyone else (ahem).

faraway on August 9, 2012 at 8:21 PM

The super-expensive and highly-targeted negative advertising saturation campaign isn’t hurting Romney they told us. The Bain issue is a non-starter that can only backfire on the Obamas they told us. Independents will gather beneath Romney’s standard they told us. Romney learned his lesson on Romneycare they told us even though his own campaign communication staff argue publicly that RomneyCare would have saved the life of some steelworker or something.

Hey, is it just possible that the entire Romney candidacy is a plot hatched in a conference room at the DNC headquarters?

casuist on August 9, 2012 at 8:21 PM

Lololol. It will be fun coming here on election night. I still remember the scene at the McCain 08 “victory party”. That scene was gold.

Uppereastside on August 9, 2012 at 8:18 PM

It is a while before election night. I do not know who is going to win…this is politics and 90 days can be a lifetime in politics.

I do know this..if Obama wins,America loses.

BTW, even CNN seems to be getting a tad disgusted with Obama’s tactics..things might just be looking different in a few months.

Terrye on August 9, 2012 at 8:21 PM

So basically the poll is a POS. Fox should have never published it.

Don’t believe polls period.

gophergirl

Nah. They’ve got to report what people tell them, so hey.

But the “never believe” part could be mostly true.

tree hugging sister on August 9, 2012 at 8:21 PM

Odd as Ras has ROMNEY up and by four!

VorDaj on August 9, 2012 at 8:22 PM

We’re all sitting her waiting for the great Romney campaign to kick in to full ass-kicking gear like Linus waiting for the great pumpkin.

Mark1971 on August 9, 2012 at 8:22 PM

I’m telling you the thrill is gone.

iceman1960 on August 9, 2012 at 8:20 PM

Being surrounded by them myself, I agree.

Another data point to add to Chick-fil-A day, Kiss-in day and Starbucks day.

cozmo on August 9, 2012 at 8:22 PM

Guys, there’s no veep, no Super PAC barrage, no debates, Convention, or fall economic data yet.

Three months is a long time in politics. But enough with the poll bashing. Seriously, you can’t keep discounting every poll that shows Obama ahead

YYZ on August 9, 2012 at 8:22 PM

Only new junkies are paying attention now. I’m in VA a “battleground” state and the ads are sparse and only Obama so far. At least in the southeast corner.

Cindy Munford on August 9, 2012 at 8:22 PM

Rasmussen has Romney 47, Obama 44, Gallup has Obama 47 Romney 45.

These two polls are more reliable than any of the others. I ignore the rest.

hachiban on August 9, 2012 at 8:22 PM

Polls are useless till the one that happens the first Tuesday in November.

njrob on August 9, 2012 at 8:05 PM

Lololol. It will be fun coming here on election night. I still remember the scene at the McCain 08 “victory party”. That scene was gold.

Uppereastside on August 9, 2012 at 8:18 PM

So, you can call us all racists when Obama loses?
Or, so we can all watch you have an online nervous breakdown. Oh, scratch that, you already did.

AllahsNippleHair on August 9, 2012 at 8:22 PM

Uppereastside on August 9, 2012 at 8:18 PM

So, Gallup has Obama +2, Ras Romney +4. Romney’s been building a nuclear warchest of advertising dollars, while Obama’s spent so much he won’t even reveal his cash on hand. And, Obama actually has to defend his record on a debate stage with 300 million Americans watching.

Something tells me you won’t be anywhere near this website on Nov 6, but have fun whistling past the graveyard.

The Count on August 9, 2012 at 8:22 PM

Meh. Not where he wants to be, but I’m pretty confident Romney’s gonna win in November. People still vote their pocketbooks. Always have; always will.

Rational Thought on August 9, 2012 at 8:18 PM

When 100 million pocetbooks are filled with Obama Money, Romney’s chances don’t look good.

RedRedRice on August 9, 2012 at 8:23 PM

gophergirl on August 9, 2012 at 8:17 PM

You are wrong. They are no different form any other outlet. They are to make money. They don’t care about anything else. If you think they do your dumb.

rik on August 9, 2012 at 8:23 PM

Uppereastside on August 9, 2012 at 8:18 PM

despite losing we were still better than you that night. we always will be. thats why you post. you love the pain of being punished, for being you.

it makes you feel good to be despised.

renalin on August 9, 2012 at 8:23 PM


This is what happens when your staff sits around in Boston pissing their pants and worrying how every little thing they say will be perceived.

They’re not worrying enough at the point that their communication staff are arguing publicly that RomneyCare would have saved the life of some steelworker’s wife or something. Idiots.

casuist on August 9, 2012 at 8:23 PM

In this economy? With this lying, anti-American scumbag in the White House? If the voters truly are as stupid as this poll indicates, then the country deserves to go down the drain.

Django on August 9, 2012 at 8:24 PM

Olympics bump?

SouthernGent on August 9, 2012 at 8:24 PM

Lololol. It will be fun coming here on election night. I still remember the scene at the McCain 08 “victory party”. That scene was gold.

Uppereastside on August 9, 2012 at 8:18 PM

You still hoping that Congressman “Tyrone” West gets beaten?

Bishop on August 9, 2012 at 8:25 PM

The super-expensive and highly-targeted negative advertising saturation campaign isn’t hurting Romney they told us. The Bain issue is a non-starter that can only backfire on the Obamas they told us. Independents will gather beneath Romney’s standard they told us. Romney learned his lesson on Romneycare they told us even though his own campaign communication staff argue publicly that RomneyCare would have saved the life of some steelworker or something.

Hey, is it just possible that the entire Romney candidacy is a plot hatched in a conference room at the DNC headquarters?

casuist on August 9, 2012 at 8:21 PM

Moby..and you pretend to be a conservative…what a hoot.

Terrye on August 9, 2012 at 8:25 PM

D+9 in the Fox poll and CNN reportedly polled adults. Give me a break. These pollsters are either in the tank or seriously believe this is still 2008. There’s only one guy out there surveying likely voters with a realistic sample and he has Romney up 4 today.

Doughboy on August 9, 2012 at 8:25 PM

You are wrong. They are no different form any other outlet. They are to make money. They don’t care about anything else. If you think they do your dumb.

rik on August 9, 2012 at 8:23 PM

Um that’s what I said.

gophergirl on August 9, 2012 at 8:25 PM

hachiban on August 9, 2012 at 8:22 PM
I tend to agree but remember that fool cannot learn from a wise man
but a wise man can learn from a fool.

rik on August 9, 2012 at 8:25 PM

If these polls are to be believed — that is other than the Rasmussen and Gallup polls — huge numbers of people have become Democrats since the 2010 election, and huge numbers of Independents have changed their minds and decided that reelecting the man behind Obamacare is the way to go.

I’m not buying it.

farsighted on August 9, 2012 at 8:26 PM

There can’t be that many stupid people…

PatriotRider on August 9, 2012 at 8:06 PM

There is. That’s why if Obama wins America loses – totally, completely, and forever – kaput – the game is over – the gig will be up – the fat lady will sing – Uncle Sam will put on a dress and morph into Nanny Samantha – the Great American Dream will become the Awful Never Ending Nightmare.

Other than that not much will change.

Rod on August 9, 2012 at 8:26 PM

The only lies were the propaganda fed by the gopE that Romney was the one who could beat Obama, when in reality Romney was the ONLY one who could not beat Obama.

Got fooled again by the “Ruling Class.”

It isn’t rocket science to figure out that Obama got just the right candidate he wanted to run against.

The stupid party strikes again.

Don’t worry all you CINO’s will settle for a Jebbie/Krispy Kreme ticket in 2016. Wall Street is banking on it.

Jayrae on August 9, 2012 at 8:26 PM

Romney is now saying that the Boy Scouts should allow gay scout leaders. What a disaster he is becoming.

Rose on August 9, 2012 at 8:27 PM

Sorry, but I have to be honest.

gumbyandpokey on August 9, 2012 at 8:12 PM

Lool :) like you have any credibility around here, cretin…an imbecilic scumbag hack ike you cannot be honest period.

jimver on August 9, 2012 at 8:27 PM

Lololol. It will be fun coming here on election night. I still remember the scene at the McCain 08 “victory party”. That scene was gold.

Uppereastside on August 9, 2012 at 8:18 PM

I dare you to be here. I remember the left Kerry victory websites in 2004.

aunursa on August 9, 2012 at 8:27 PM

Why would Fox do a poll last month with D+4
And this month with D+9?
There is no REPORTING of the NEWS anymore!

These Organs are trying to make the News!
Ratings, ratings, ratings, except for a couple of DNC wholly owned subsidiaries who have no ratings!

Time for Team Romney to threaten to send some thugs to Ailes and OREALLY and ShAnitys house!

What this tells me is Romney should pick some rich, out of touch with the folks, white guy for his running mate, maybe one from a swing state, Jeb! s/

ConcealedKerry on August 9, 2012 at 8:27 PM

Per Harry Enten:

Note, the reason Romney’s losing in CNN poll is 48 pt deficit among 18-34 year olds. Obama won them by 30-35 pts in 2008.

In a continuing tweet he suggested cell phones and small sample size as an explanation. He went on to have a discussion with Chuck Todd about the cell phone problems in current polls. The daily tracker at Gallup, Rasmussen in addition to YouGov polling show the race within a point. YouGov has shown Romney ahead for the most part. If you look at their track record they have a very high accuracy rate. These CNN and Fox polls are just not credible.

msmveritas on August 9, 2012 at 8:28 PM

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