Boss Emeritus to Romney: Nail Obama team for illegal coordination

posted at 12:41 pm on August 9, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

Our own Boss Emeritus made an appearance on Fox and Friends this morning to give vent to rising conservative frustration over Team Romney’s response to the ad called “despicable” by liberal commentator Brent Budowsky, “scurrilous” by Time’s Michael Crowley, and a violation of decency by Crowley’s colleague Mark Halperin and the Washington Post fact-checker Glenn Kessler. Noting that the core of the Priorities USA Action super-PAC ad is the same Joe Soptic that Barack Obama’s official campaign introduced in an ad of their own and a conference call arranged by the same Stephanie Cutter who tried playing “Mission Impossible” by disavowing any knowledge of Soptic yesterday, Michelle Malkin  urged Romney to start playing offense and initiate legal proceedings for the obvious and illegal coordination between Obama’s campaign and the super-PAC (via The Right Scoop):

Normally, I’d be leery about filing legal challenges in the middle of political campaigns, especially for Republicans.  They tend to drag on for a long time, and usually don’t come to any satisfactory conclusion at all, certainly not before the election in which they take place.  It usually ends up being a weak counter to whatever damage has been done by the ad.

This case, though, is unusual, for a couple of reasons.  First, the super-PAC issue has been owned by the Democrats, even while super-PAC funding will end up benefiting Republicans.  They have succeeded in large part in their attempt to paint super-PACs as eeeeevil shelters for eeeeevil Richie Riches who want to buy elections.  If the Obama campaign broke the law with the coordination on Soptic, it’s going to make Obama look bad for demanding more laws to restrict super-PACs while his campaign breaks laws that already limit super-PACs.  That’s a hypocrisy that goes right to the heart of their class-warfare strategy, especially in relation to super-PACS.

Next, we rarely see so much consensus on condemnation of an attack ad, and for that matter so much prima facie evidence of illegal coordination.  For Pete’s sake, they couldn’t even have Soptic wear a different shirt between the two interviews.  The implication in this ad is so outrageous, and the connections from Soptic to both the Obama campaign and Priorities USA Action are so obvious, that this practically begs to be used as a test case for enforcing laws against coordination between outside groups and official campaigns.  If this isn’t a case for investigation and prosecution, then the laws regarding coordination will never be enforced.  And we can thank Team Hopenchange if that’s the outcome.

Actually, I’m OK with that, too.  We need to get rid of outside groups in elections, but not with more ridiculous regulation and the direction of campaign-finance reform for the past four decades.  We need to end tax-free status for political organizations and rescind donation limits to candidates and political parties, married to a 48-hour time limit on full disclosure of donations and expenditures.  Make the campaign books entirely public, so we can see where the money originates and where it ends up.  That will make the candidates entirely responsible for the messaging, end the Byzantine structure that allows for these nonsense attacks, and obviate the need for spokespeople to pretend they don’t know someone they hosted on a conference call.


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Not to be picky, but shouldn’t that be Boss EmeritA? Similar to alumnus and alumna? Would really like to know. Thanks.

francesca on August 9, 2012 at 1:36 PM

Emiritus is correct, when used at the end of the title. Plural would be emiriti.

22044 on August 9, 2012 at 1:42 PM

What Else?

The Republican National Committee releases “What Else?” as President Obama’s campaign continues to lie about its relationship with the disgusting ad put out by President Obama’s Super PAC. After refusing to denounce the lies and distortion of the ad, the Obama campaign repeatedly claimed it had no idea about Joe Soptic’s story even though they had him tell the same story during an OFA conference call earlier this spring. So, their actions beg the question–what else are they lying about?

http://youtu.be/DSs9v2tUuXE

Flora Duh on August 9, 2012 at 1:44 PM

This is why Republicans lose – they have no b@lls or no desire to win bad enough to fight for it.

This is a glaring example of the Obama team violating election law. And yet people say – oh no we’d be accused of whining, oh no, it will do away with Super PACs, oh no nothing would happen in time to affect anything, oh no, oh no, So all that will happen is conservative blogs will go on about how terrible Obama’s campaign is, BO’s campaign staff will giggle because they got away with it and the general public -if they even hear about it won’t understand what the big deal is because “if it really was major they figure the GOP would have made an issue of it.”

Makes you wonder why we bother.

katiejane on August 9, 2012 at 1:30 PM

Let me tell you something. This would ALL be absolutely meaningless if people were sure of who Mitt Romney is and what he stands for.

ddrintn on August 9, 2012 at 1:44 PM

He did not respond to Chick-Fil-A. He did not respond to Ms. Saul. He did not respond to this ad.

How badly does he want the Presidency?

kingsjester on August 9, 2012 at 12:52 PM

About McCain level.

Steve Eggleston on August 9, 2012 at 1:06 PM

That’s for sure. The Mittbots have been telling us not to worry and that Romney will take his mittens off soon and come out swinging.

Seems like he has put another fluffy pair on to me.

If the Mittbots could only muster the level of aggression they reserve for Palin and other conservatives and direct that against Obama we might have a chance.

SparkPlug on August 9, 2012 at 1:47 PM

I think she’s a defender an champion of archaic thinking.

verbaluce on August 9, 2012 at 1:24 PM

You think?

Happy Nomad on August 9, 2012 at 1:50 PM

The D’s will counter-accuse and bring suit against the R’s for something similar. That action alone will offset any truth in the original suit. To the low-informed electorate, not that the MSM will even make mention, it will just look like another spit for spat.

In fact, don’t be surprised if the D’s bring suit first, thus making the R’s look like the big baby in the fight. The MSM will be complicit in bringing that news story to the low-informed electorate.

Carnac on August 9, 2012 at 1:50 PM

So-called conservatives complain about Romney, but they’ll be voting for him anyway.

Dante on August 9, 2012 at 1:50 PM

Let me tell you something. This would ALL be absolutely meaningless if people were sure of who Mitt Romney is and what he stands for.

ddrintn on August 9, 2012 at 1:44 PM

So if it were Santorum, Gingrich, Paul, or Bachman attacked in this way we wouldn’t be objecting to it?

weaselyone on August 9, 2012 at 1:52 PM

If the Mittbots could only muster the level of aggression they reserve for Palin and other conservatives and direct that against Obama we might have a chance.

SparkPlug on August 9, 2012 at 1:47 PM

That’s the moderate way, bud.

So if it were Santorum, Gingrich, Paul, or Bachman attacked in this way we wouldn’t be objecting to it?

weaselyone on August 9, 2012 at 1:52 PM

Object to it, of course. And all the above WERE treated in much the same way…by Team Romney and its minions. But as presidential candidates enough would be known about all the above without being afraid of being painted as something else by some Obama PAC.

ddrintn on August 9, 2012 at 1:55 PM

We need to get rid of outside groups in elections

I’m all for that, IF it includes getting rid of union cash donations, and union like-kind donations.

iurockhead on August 9, 2012 at 1:59 PM

It was about 6am and the fetching MM was wearing this open blouse. It made me think she was in her Jammie’s. Most distracting.

Jaibones on August 9, 2012 at 1:59 PM

We need to end tax-free status for political organizations and rescind donation limits to candidates and political parties, married to a 48-hour time limit on full disclosure of donations and expenditures. Make the campaign books entirely public, so we can see where the money originates and where it ends up.

Yes please.

lexhamfox on August 9, 2012 at 2:00 PM

Noting that the core of the Priorities USA Action super-PAC ad is the same Joe Soptic that Barack Obama’s official campaign introduced in an ad of their own and a conference call arranged by the same Stephanie Cutter who tried playing “Mission Impossible” by disavowing any knowledge of Soptic yesterday,

For Pete’s sake, they couldn’t even have Soptic wear a different shirt between the two interviews.

COL Nathan R. Jessup would quip, “Is this all that you’ve got counselor, phone records and foot lockers? Because if it is, I’m going back to my base at Gitmo.”

/loves me some movie quotes

ted c on August 9, 2012 at 2:00 PM

Honestly, though, after “Newt Gingrich resigned in disgrace” it’s kind of hard to get worked up about Romney getting some of his own medicine. Karma’s a b!tch.

ddrintn on August 9, 2012 at 2:02 PM

He won’t do it. There are several issues that, if Romney would just do it, he could shatter Obama’s teeth on them. But he won’t. Neither did McCain with Obama, nor Bush with Gore or Kerry, etc. etc. etc.

AubieJon on August 9, 2012 at 12:46 PM

We have a conservative republican out there that would have spiked Obama’s dome into the garbage can over this one.

We all know who she is too.

rightConcept on August 9, 2012 at 2:03 PM

Let me tell you something. This would ALL be absolutely meaningless if people were sure of who Mitt Romney is and what he stands for.

ddrintn on August 9, 2012 at 1:44 PM

Didn’t seem to stop the dems from voting en masse for Obama.

rightConcept on August 9, 2012 at 2:04 PM

ALINSKY RULE 8: “Keep the pressure on. Never let up.” Keep trying new things to keep the opposition off balance. As the opposition masters one approach, hit them from the flank with something new. (Attack, attack, attack from all sides, never giving the reeling organization a chance to rest, regroup, recover and re-strategize.)

faraway on August 9, 2012 at 1:13 PM

It’s gonna be this now to November unless Team Romney figures out how to beat it. He can’t beat it by ignoring it or by playing into their hands and staying on defense. If they pull a knife, he’s got to pull a gun. If they want to call Romney a job-killer, let’s talk about how many jobs Obama has killed … Delphi, rotten economy, unemployment blah blah blah. If they want to talk about Romney’s religion, let’s talk about Jeremiah Wright and Black Liberation Theology. If they want more of Romney’s tax returns, let’s see Obama’s college and law school applications, etc.

petefrt on August 9, 2012 at 2:07 PM

Honestly, though, after “Newt Gingrich resigned in disgrace” it’s kind of hard to get worked up about Romney getting some of his own medicine. Karma’s a b!tch.

ddrintn on August 9, 2012 at 2:02 PM

August is a time for b!tching and kvetching and lawsuit threats. Only the junkies are paying attention. Come September, Romney better set all that aside and just plow straight ahead.

John the Libertarian on August 9, 2012 at 2:08 PM

Del Dolemonte on August 9, 2012 at 1:35 PM

..I don’t get it.

The War Planner on August 9, 2012 at 1:40 PM

Dante frequently cites Cindy Sheehan’s boyfriend Lew Rockwell as a credible source in his posts.

Del Dolemonte on August 9, 2012 at 2:11 PM

MM is exactly right! Fight! Fight! Fight! With the truth on your side! Do not drown in shallow water! Go big or go home! Make some statements that will get you elected: Vow to repeal every Executive Order issued by O, Repeal Obamatax, Fire every czar, Reign in the EPA, Approve the pipeline, Disband the solar/wind boondoggle, Cut spending, Balance the budget, Restore our Military, Fire every attorney appointed by O, Drill for oil,gas and coal everywhere, reform the tax code, lower taxes and regulations of all kinds,Restore religious freedom, restore free speech, Prosecute lawlessness in the Federal govt.,Renounce dictatorship and agree to work with Congress, Remove the government from ownership of any business, Seal the borders and have a sensible immigration policy, Disavow racism, AND ..Honor American traditions and Liberty!

Marco on August 9, 2012 at 2:11 PM

Didn’t seem to stop the dems from voting en masse for Obama.

rightConcept on August 9, 2012 at 2:04 PM

Against McCain? Yeah, thanks for proving my point.

Come September, Romney better set all that aside and just plow straight ahead.

John the Libertarian on August 9, 2012 at 2:08 PM

Heh… *sigh* *shrug*

ddrintn on August 9, 2012 at 2:15 PM

Honestly, though, after “Newt Gingrich resigned in disgrace” it’s kind of hard to get worked up about Romney getting some of his own medicine. Karma’s a b!tch.

ddrintn on August 9, 2012 at 2:02 PM

I missed the part where Romney made a personal attack against Gingrich and called him a murderer. Romney didn’t even bring up Newt’s ex-wives, the MSM did. Do you think Obama or Priorities would not publish those ads against Newt? These are not even on the same level.

weaselyone on August 9, 2012 at 2:22 PM

So-called conservatives complain about Romney, but they’ll be voting for him anyway.

Dante on August 9, 2012 at 1:50 PM

Everyone would vote for Romney if they had a brain and good sense!!

bluefox on August 9, 2012 at 2:26 PM

Boss Emeritus to Romney: Nail Obama team for illegal coordination

The more I think about it…why? When pretty much the entire country already assumes there’s coordination going on, what would be the value in taking this detour? No one will be shocked or swayed. And you’ll be taking away from the other message, that obama is a despicable piece of s–t. Nail him on the absurd death charge and his Bain lies, not some technicality that will surprise nobody. And then there this – Romney is doing pretty well in the polls and has run a pretty effective campaign. He chooses his battles well. He hit a home run with his ‘You didn’t build that’ response. If he doesn’t think putting together ads about some conference call is worthwhile, I have to agree. He knows the voters would either yawn or have no idea there was even such a law to be violated.

Ronnie on August 9, 2012 at 2:31 PM

natasha333 on August 9, 2012 at 1:41 PM

Exactly.

scalleywag on August 9, 2012 at 2:35 PM

I missed the part where Romney made a personal attack against Gingrich and called him a murderer. Romney didn’t even bring up Newt’s ex-wives, the MSM did. Do you think Obama or Priorities would not publish those ads against Newt? These are not even on the same level.

weaselyone on August 9, 2012 at 2:22 PM

Seems like someone else was essentially called a murderer and the silence of Romney and most of his ‘bots was deafening. Except, of course, to b!tch when the accused tried to defend herself.

Gingrich was smeared, plain and simple. Team Romney’s m.o. for a while now has been to use smear tactics against Republicans. Live by the smear, die by it. Cue the violin music.

ddrintn on August 9, 2012 at 2:35 PM

I think she’s a defender an champion of archaic thinking.

verbaluce on August 9, 2012 at 1:24 PM

Nah, you never think.

Schadenfreude on August 9, 2012 at 2:37 PM

Romney/Malkin? I would vote for THAT!

DannoJyd on August 9, 2012 at 2:39 PM

What I can’t understand about Romney is that he was a fire-breathing dragon during the primaries and now is such a wimp that you almost get the impression he changed his mind about winning the presidency. Selecting a vice-president the mirror-image of his boring self should seal the deal.

MaiDee on August 9, 2012 at 2:45 PM

What I can’t understand about Romney is that he was a fire-breathing dragon during the primaries and now is such a wimp that you almost get the impression he changed his mind about winning the presidency.

MaiDee on August 9, 2012 at 2:45 PM

Could it be that he dislikes conservatives much more than he does liberals? Think about it.

DannoJyd on August 9, 2012 at 2:47 PM

What I can’t understand about Romney is that he was a fire-breathing dragon during the primaries and now is such a wimp that you almost get the impression he changed his mind about winning the presidency. Selecting a vice-president the mirror-image of his boring self should seal the deal.

MaiDee on August 9, 2012 at 2:45 PM

mittens milquetoast has NEVER been a fire-breathing dragon….NEVER!

America needs conservatives in charge for a change ….NOW!

Pragmatic on August 9, 2012 at 2:48 PM

America needs conservatives in charge for a change ….NOW!

Pragmatic on August 9, 2012 at 2:48 PM

Besides Michele Bachman do you know any that want the job?

Buttercup on August 9, 2012 at 2:52 PM

Everyone would vote for Romney if they had a brain and good sense!!

bluefox on August 9, 2012 at 2:26 PM

You’re confused. The opposite is true.

Dante on August 9, 2012 at 2:53 PM

Romney/Malkin? I would vote for THAT!

DannoJyd on August 9, 2012 at 2:39 PM

This might be the first time I’ve ever agreed with you.

Buttercup on August 9, 2012 at 2:53 PM

….and in Aug 2014 the FEC will report that there might have been some indications of campaign fraud but not enough to follow up on the allegations….ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZz

This is a non-starter folks, the system is rigged against honest Americans, get over it and concentrate on the goal; throwing Obama out of office

E9RET on August 9, 2012 at 2:54 PM

Forget it. Nobody has the balls to hold the first black president accountable for anything.

The Rogue Tomato on August 9, 2012 at 2:54 PM

What I can’t understand about Romney is that he was a fire-breathing dragon during the primaries and now is such a wimp that you almost get the impression he changed his mind about winning the presidency. Selecting a vice-president the mirror-image of his boring self should seal the deal.

MaiDee on August 9, 2012 at 2:45 PM

You can’t understand it? Well, think about this: McCain vs Obama; McCain vs J. D. Hayworth.

ddrintn on August 9, 2012 at 2:55 PM

Besides Michele Bachman do you know any that want the job?

Buttercup on August 9, 2012 at 2:52 PM

I do!

Even if he doesn’t win he is taking votes away from 0bama and that IS a good thing.

DannoJyd on August 9, 2012 at 3:10 PM

What I can’t understand about Romney is that he was a fire-breathing dragon during the primaries and now is such a wimp that you almost get the impression he changed his mind about winning the presidency. Selecting a vice-president the mirror-image of his boring self should seal the deal.

MaiDee on August 9, 2012 at 2:45 PM

For one thing,there have not been any debates yet and that is when Romney was his most aggressive during the debates..and also, he is not the nominee yet and he can not spend a lot of that money yet.

Romney has however managed to get under Obama’s skin in a big way with the welfare reform ad. I was surprised at how pissy Obama got about that.

Terrye on August 9, 2012 at 3:12 PM

You can’t understand it? Well, think about this: McCain vs Obama; McCain vs J. D. Hayworth.

ddrintn on August 9, 2012 at 2:55 PM

And yet Saint Sarah had no problem sullying herself by getting on the same ticket with McCain..in fact, she campaigned against with McCain when he was running against Hayworth.

The truth is you are just hateful and spiteful.

Terrye on August 9, 2012 at 3:14 PM

This might be the first time I’ve ever agreed with you.

Buttercup on August 9, 2012 at 2:53 PM

Thank you [I think].

IMHO, if you were capable of reading between the lines you would be in 100% agreement with me. I don’t blame you for that though. I have to be very careful when I post due to my elected position within the Republican Party [I again won with a landslide vote last Tuesday].

DannoJyd on August 9, 2012 at 3:14 PM

As far as illegal contacts between Obama and the super pac…it won’t amount to anything. Even if there is an investigation the only thing that will happen is a fine months from now. It won’t stop them. That is the problem when you are dealing with people who have no scruples and no ethics…they just do not care.

Terrye on August 9, 2012 at 3:17 PM

The truth is you are just hateful and spiteful.

Terrye on August 9, 2012 at 3:14 PM

That is how I’ve been seeing Romney supporters here at Hot Air because of their posts filled with hate, liberal filth, and spite. Maybe you are missing the bigger picture?

I’m Just Sayin!

DannoJyd on August 9, 2012 at 3:18 PM

Let me tell you something. This would ALL be absolutely meaningless if people were sure of who Mitt Romney is and what he stands for.

ddrintn on August 9, 2012 at 1:44 PM

And let me tell you something. You are still boring, tedious and predictable.

JPeterman on August 9, 2012 at 3:18 PM

Besides Michele Bachman do you know any that want the job?

Buttercup on August 9, 2012 at 2:52 PM
I do!

Even if he doesn’t win he is taking votes away from 0bama and that IS a good thing.

DannoJyd on August 9, 2012 at 3:10 PM

I said Conservative. Gay Marriage Johnson is not one.

Buttercup on August 9, 2012 at 3:19 PM

As far as illegal contacts between Obama and the super pac…it won’t amount to anything. Even if there is an investigation the only thing that will happen is a fine months from now. It won’t stop them. That is the problem when you are dealing with people who have no scruples and no ethics…they just do not care.

Terrye on August 9, 2012 at 3:17 PM

…mittens and his crew ‘have scruples and care’? ….this is politics!!….since when are scruples a prerequisite?????since when???

Pragmatic on August 9, 2012 at 3:20 PM

This is a non-starter folks, the system is rigged against honest Americans, get over it and concentrate on the goal; throwing Obama out of office

E9RET on August 9, 2012 at 2:54 PM

If only we had MORE people like you working at ther grass roots level… :(

DannoJyd on August 9, 2012 at 3:20 PM

I said Conservative. Gay Marriage Johnson is not one.

Buttercup on August 9, 2012 at 3:19 PM

Johnson’s views on HOMOsexual ‘Marriage’ comes from his desire to protect the Constitution:

“Unlike Mitt Romney or President Obama, Governor Johnson and I believe the right to marry who we choose is a constitutionally protected right,” Gray is quoted as saying in a statement released by Freedom to Marry Ohio. “”People of different faiths and different beliefs are free to follow those beliefs when it comes to embracing or opposing same-sex marriage within those faiths and beliefs. However, it should not be the purview of government to impose one set of beliefs over another.”

Read the entire article. That is about as Conservative as it gets.

DannoJyd on August 9, 2012 at 3:27 PM

Read the entire article. That is about as Conservative Libertarian as it gets.

DannoJyd on August 9, 2012 at 3:27 PM

FIFY

Buttercup on August 9, 2012 at 3:36 PM

FIFY

Buttercup on August 9, 2012 at 3:36 PM

IF the only party that stands for protecting the ideals within the American Constitution is the Libertarian Party then sign me up!!!

You’ve just made the case that the GOP is no different than the DNC. How does it feel? Do you enjoy supporting the anti-American parties that demand the right to rule instead of representing we Americans?

DannoJyd on August 9, 2012 at 3:41 PM

“0bamacare is not a tax.”

Romney Campaign.

DannoJyd on August 9, 2012 at 3:45 PM

E9RET on August 9, 2012 at 2:54 PM

If only we had MORE people like you working at ther grass roots level… :(

DannoJyd on August 9, 2012

Danno,
I’m very active in the Tea Party in North Texas, although to be truthful my wife’s the Pit Bull in both the Tea Party and the conservative women’s organization in our county.I’m more of a “fetch and carry” foot soldier, carrying out her directions ;-)

I understand your frustrations, I share them. I was just pointing out that any formal complaints of wrong doing by the Democrats, regardless of the outrageousness of their actions, are doomed to fail and there are other battles we can win. I’m ignoring everything except whatever I can do to get people to vote.

E9RET on August 9, 2012 at 3:46 PM

Let me tell you something. This would ALL be absolutely meaningless if people were sure of who Mitt Romney is and what he stands for.

ddrintn on August 9, 2012 at 1:44 PM

And let me tell you something. You are still boring, tedious and predictable.

JPeterman on August 9, 2012 at 3:18 PM

And right. I know, if only I would join in the ‘bot “Boo hiss Obama! Yayyyyyyy RED TEAM!!!” stuff, it’d be the acme of variety, wouldn’t it? Riiiiiiight. Aren’t there enough of you boring, predictable, tedious ‘bots already doing that here lately?

ddrintn on August 9, 2012 at 3:54 PM

Everyone would vote for Romney if they had a brain and good sense!!

bluefox on August 9, 2012 at 2:26 PM
You’re confused. The opposite is true.

Dante on August 9, 2012 at 2:53 PM

I know Dante, everyone is confused but you. Romney was my last choice in the Primaries; however I’ll vote for the R Nominee against B.O. That was my point.

bluefox on August 9, 2012 at 3:55 PM

I’m very active in the Tea Party in North Texas, although to be truthful my wife’s the Pit Bull in both the Tea Party and the conservative women’s organization in our county.I’m more of a “fetch and carry” foot soldier, carrying out her directions ;-)

E9RET on August 9, 2012 at 3:46 PM

You, Sir, are a great American Patriot, more so than I. I applaude your efforts, and you should not feel bad about being “a “fetch and carry” foot soldier”. That is how I started out 10 years ago with the GOP, and today I’ve become a @#$! elected delegate, an unpaid position.

Here in Michigan we’ve got dozens of men like you working in the TEA Party. Every one of them make a valuable contribution, just as you are doing today.

Republican voters can learn from your shining example.

DannoJyd on August 9, 2012 at 3:56 PM

IF the only party that stands for protecting the ideals within the American Constitution is the Libertarian Party then sign me up!!!

You’ve just made the case that the GOP is no different than the DNC. How does it feel? Do you enjoy supporting the anti-American parties that demand the right to rule instead of representing we Americans?

DannoJyd on August 9, 2012 at 3:41 PM

1.1%

That is the highest percentage of the vote in any presidential election for the Libertarian candidate. Who is demanding the right to rule?

Don’t get me wrong. There is a lot that I agree with Libertarians on. Just more that I agree with Republicans on.

weaselyone on August 9, 2012 at 3:57 PM

And yet Saint Sarah had no problem sullying herself by getting on the same ticket with McCain..in fact, she campaigned against with McCain when he was running against Hayworth.

The truth is you are just hateful and spiteful.

Terrye on August 9, 2012 at 3:14 PM

Why is that you ‘bots have this psychotic need to bring up Palin constantly? What does she have to do with it? Is it or is it not a fact that McCain campaigned in a much more vicious way against Hayworth than he did against Obama? Is it or is it not a fact that Team Romney was much more vicious toward Gingrich than it has been against Obama?

ddrintn on August 9, 2012 at 3:58 PM

Aren’t there enough of you boring, predictable, tedious ‘bots already doing that here lately?

ddrintn on August 9, 2012 at 3:54 PM

IMHO, that IS our problem because too many of them are doing nothing else, nothing of relevance. Not a single bloody thing.

At least you manage to be relevant. ;)

DannoJyd on August 9, 2012 at 3:59 PM

Don’t get me wrong. There is a lot that I agree with Libertarians on. Just more that I agree with Republicans on.

weaselyone on August 9, 2012 at 3:57 PM

Romneycare is Conservative
Fixing 0bamacare
Removing Ron Paul Delegates from the Convention
Demanding that Conservatives vote for Romney
Excluding Sarah Palin from the Convention

You agree with the Republican Establishment on all of those issues?

BTW, not that anyone is reporting this, but Gary Johnson is polling at 15% and 17% in a few states. HMM!

DannoJyd on August 9, 2012 at 4:03 PM

That is how I started out 10 years ago with the GOP, and today I’ve become a @#$! elected delegate, an unpaid position.

DannoJyd on August 9, 2012 at 3:56 PM

You’ve just made the case that the GOP is no different than the DNC. How does it feel? Do you enjoy supporting the anti-American parties that demand the right to rule instead of representing we Americans?

DannoJyd on August 9, 2012 at 3:41 PM

That’s bleeping golden. You’re the one who’s an @#$! elected delegate or so you claim. I think you have delusions of grandeur but regardless can you contradict yourself further?

Buttercup on August 9, 2012 at 4:05 PM

That’s bleeping golden. You’re the one who’s an @#$! elected delegate or so you claim. I think you have delusions of grandeur but regardless can you contradict yourself further?

Buttercup on August 9, 2012 at 4:05 PM

LMAO! I guess submiting to liberal idealism does damage the brain.

Just to remind you of your own response when I made the point about Governor Gary Johnson supporting the Constitution, here is your own belief set:

Read the entire article. That is about as Conservative Libertarian as it gets.

DannoJyd on August 9, 2012 at 3:27 PM

FIFY

Buttercup on August 9, 2012 at 3:36 PM

DannoJyd on August 9, 2012 at 4:13 PM

DannoJyd on August 9, 2012 at 4:13 PM

Are you a GOP delgate??..:)

Dire Straits on August 9, 2012 at 4:19 PM

BTW, not that anyone is reporting this, but Gary Johnson is polling at 15% and 17% in a few states. HMM!

Stop the presses.

weaselyone on August 9, 2012 at 4:21 PM

ddrintn on August 9, 2012 at 3:58 PM

Are you sure you didn’t bring up Palin first??..:)

Dire Straits on August 9, 2012 at 4:22 PM

The modern day Democrat party is one big Soptic tank.

ardenenoch on August 9, 2012 at 4:23 PM

DannoJyd on August 9, 2012 at 4:13 PM

Are you a GOP delegate??..:)

Dire Straits on August 9, 2012 at 4:19 PM

Sorry..Fixed!..:)

Dire Straits on August 9, 2012 at 4:24 PM

IF the only party that stands for protecting the ideals within the American Constitution is the Libertarian Party then sign me up!!!

DannoJyd on August 9, 2012 at 3:41 PM

You were already signed up now you’re acting like you just had a revelation. The Libertarian and Conservative parties aren’t the same especially when it comes to Christian values. Not sure why you’re always demanding Conservatism when you don’t share the ideology.
Gay Johnson will get some stoner votes and that’s about it and that’s if Barry doesn’t legalize it first. You think Teh gheys are going to vote for him because he supports gay marriage?

Don’t get me wrong I agree with a lot of Libertarian ideals (fiscally) but not a one can get elected because they’re inherently kooky only second to their supporters.

Buttercup on August 9, 2012 at 4:25 PM

DannoJyd on August 9, 2012 at 4:13 PM

No that was my response when you suggested GJ was a Conservative.
I corrected you and said he’s a libertarian because Conservatives do not support gay marriage. Sorry you can’t keep up. Go back and read it.

Buttercup on August 9, 2012 at 4:32 PM

BTW, not that anyone is reporting this, but Gary Johnson is polling at 15% and 17% in a few states. HMM!

He is polling 9% in Arizona, 7% in Colorado and New Hampshire, and 13% in New Mexico.

BTW I think he needs to poll over 15% in at least 3 states to be invited to the debates. I really do hope he qualifies for the debates. I think he may help Romney win Colorado, because he will draw the college/youth/marijuana vote from Obama.

weaselyone on August 9, 2012 at 4:33 PM

You’re confused. The opposite is true.

Dante on August 9, 2012 at 2:53 PM

You just proved the very point you’re arguing against. Self-imolation.

AubieJon on August 9, 2012 at 4:34 PM

Maybe Gary Johnson’s campaign could sue Obama for campaign finance law violations…

weaselyone on August 9, 2012 at 4:39 PM

You were already signed up now you’re acting like you just had a revelation. The Libertarian and Conservative parties aren’t the same especially when it comes to Christian values.

Buttercup on August 9, 2012 at 4:25 PM

You are sooo funny! This election is not about religion. It is about electing a person whose SOLE JOB is to protect the American Constitution.
You are the person who believes the GOP doesn’t care about the Constitution. Perhaps you are more liberal than you would like others to know?

Go right ahead and believe what you wish as to my being voted in as a Republican Delegate. When you continue to support your liberal ideals while keeping your chair toasty warm, I’ll be working at the second GOP Convention held at the DeVos Place in Grand Rapids on Sept. 7-8.

BTW, our local TEA Party leader got the most votes of the 5 who ran for delegate in his area of our county. TEAnami 2012, baby!

DannoJyd on August 9, 2012 at 4:40 PM

”People of different faiths and different beliefs are free to follow those beliefs when it comes to embracing or opposing same-sex marriage within those faiths and beliefs. However, it should not be the purview of government to impose one set of beliefs over another.”

Read the entire article. That is about as Conservative as it gets.

He is absolutely right that people are ALREADY free to follow their beliefs regarding marriage. And yet using force of government to VALIDATE “beliefs” about marriage for a whiny special interest group is exactly what he suggests we do.
That is about as UN-conservative as it gets.

Being conservative implies having a clue what you are talking about rather than accepting the liberal premise at face value. Secular marriage LICENSING has nothing to do with “beliefs”. It was instituted as a system of streamlining patriarchal inheritance pre-dna testing and designed to support nuclear families as a means of ensuring favorable opportunities for the most helpless: children. Formalizing the most logical and productive method of begetting future generations of well-raised responsible citizens, without compelling reproduction, nor creating ridiculous bureaucratic apparatuses to validate laundry lists of exceptions and qualifications to the licensing process (age, sterility, intention to have kids, true love, etc.) is just a practical non-intrusive means of providing for the general welfare. The legal obligations and responsibilities of marriage require surrender of certain amounts of freedom in order to secure intangible benefits for the progeny, so the licensing regimen is incentivised by various financial breaks, also intended for the benefit of un-compelled progeny. “Belief” doesn’t matter. Neither does sexual preference. Incentives cost, and there is no logic to handing out incentives for no return. If your teacher offers ice-cream to those who do extra-credit, you have the right not to do extra credit if you don’t like doing it; but you do not have the right to ice-cream anyway just because you like ice-cream. You can go buy your own ice cream.

Do many support the current system because it happens to align with their religious beliefs? Yes, but irrelevant. We don’t discard theft and murder laws because they happen to coincide with religious views of many on stealing and killing. Everyone has the right to apply for a marriage license and be judged by the SAME criteria that reasonably support the purpose of HAVING a license in the first place. Encouraging responsible child rearing is the purpose, ergo requiring application with the complementary gender is a reasonable criteria. Blind people have the right to apply for drivers licenses, they do not have the right to receive them.

There is no sense in the bureaucratic expense of administering dog licenses for cat owners. This does not impugn the value of cats nor dogs, nor anyone’s right to call their cat “spot” or “fido”. But demanding such a license just to force your dog owning neighbors to publicly acknowledge how lovable your chosen pet is (whether they voluntarily like cats or not) is vain, capricious, abusive, and totalitarian. Not a conservative thing about it.

People who want to get married can go get married. If they believe they’re married, they are. People who want the license need to qualify for the license, and that’s a separate issue. If that piece of paper is what validates your relationship, you need to take a seriously closer look at your relationship.

CapnObvious on August 9, 2012 at 4:49 PM

BTW I think he needs to poll over 15% in at least 3 states to be invited to the debates. I really do hope he qualifies for the debates. I think he may help Romney win Colorado, because he will draw the college/youth/marijuana vote from Obama.

weaselyone on August 9, 2012 at 4:33 PM

You aren’t the only one who wants him in the debates:

Former GOP Presidential Candidate Buddy Roemer Calls For Gary Johnson to Be Included in Romney and Obama’s Presidential Debates

DannoJyd on August 9, 2012 at 4:51 PM

Forget the courts. Romney needs this settled in the court of public opinion.

Romney and every RNC surrogate just needs to state, as a matter-of-fact, that Obama campaign is, and has been, illegally coordinating with his Super-PACs. If there are any objections, just point to this this ad as obvious proof, and challenge opponents to prove otherwise. Repeat it enough and it will stick.

That is afterall the DEM playbook.

AverageJoe on August 9, 2012 at 4:52 PM

Forget the courts. Romney needs this settled in the court of public opinion.

Romney and every RNC surrogate just needs to state, as a matter-of-fact, that Obama campaign is, and has been, illegally coordinating with his Super-PACs. If there are any objections, just point to this this ad as obvious proof, and challenge opponents to prove otherwise. Repeat it enough and it will stick.

That is afterall the DEM playbook.

AverageJoe on August 9, 2012 at 4:52 PM

Obama might guilty of a felony.

weaselyone on August 9, 2012 at 4:56 PM

Why does it have to be Rommney’s campaign to legally protest? Can’t the RNC do it?

elintex on August 9, 2012 at 4:57 PM

Former GOP Presidential Candidate Democrat Buddy Roemer Calls For Gary Johnson to Be Included in Romney and Obama’s Presidential Debates

DannoJyd on August 9, 2012 at 4:51 PM

weaselyone on August 9, 2012 at 4:58 PM

If this isn’t a case for investigation and prosecution, then the laws regarding coordination will never be enforced.

Which ought to free some hundred millions of US citizens to ignore federal law & do what they damn well please. Choom that, Obi-Wrong Baraki!

Olo_Burrows on August 9, 2012 at 4:59 PM

Why does it have to be Rommney’s campaign to legally protest? Can’t the RNC do it?

elintex on August 9, 2012 at 4:57 PM

Theoretically anyone should be able to bring it to the attention of the authorities. If this administration were not in charge, the investigation would already be under way.

weaselyone on August 9, 2012 at 5:00 PM

He is absolutely right that people are ALREADY free to follow their beliefs regarding marriage. And yet using force of government to VALIDATE “beliefs” about marriage for a whiny special interest group is exactly what he suggests we do.

CapnObvious on August 9, 2012 at 4:49 PM

Reading is fundamental:

People of different faiths and different beliefs are free to follow those beliefs when it comes to embracing or opposing same-sex marriage within those faiths and beliefs. However, it should not be the purview of government to impose one set of beliefs over another.”

If you followed politics you would already know that most Americans support giving HOMOsexuals the right to marry via civil unions and domestic partnerships. Call it what you will, but Americans understand the issue.

Let’s see 0bama and Romney defend their positions in the debates. Gary Johnson is very clear on his desire to protect the Constitutional rights of ALL Americans.

DannoJyd on August 9, 2012 at 5:00 PM

DannoJyd on August 9, 2012 at 4:40 PM

Okay..I see that you are referring to the MI GOP convention..:)

Dire Straits on August 9, 2012 at 5:01 PM

weaselyone on August 9, 2012 at 4:58 PM

YOU are a great 0bamaGandist. Did you learn how to misrepresent people at Moveon.org?

DannoJyd on August 9, 2012 at 5:02 PM

Okay..I see that you are referring to the MI GOP convention..:)

Dire Straits on August 9, 2012 at 5:01 PM

I’ve actually referred to both of them in this topic. I myself have no idea why we need two of the bloody things yet.

MIGOP Convention I was held in Detroit. MIGOP Convention II will be held in Grand Rapids.

DannoJyd on August 9, 2012 at 5:05 PM

If you followed politics you would already know that most Americans support giving HOMOsexuals the right to marry via civil unions and domestic partnerships. Call it what you will, but Americans understand the issue.

DannoJyd on August 9, 2012 at 5:00 PM

Call it what you will? Civil unions and domestic partnerships are not called Marriage. Can’t you understand that?
And if you followed politics you would know that gay “marriage” (not civil unions or partnerships) was voted down in all 32 states it was put on the ballot. As you say Americans understand the issue but somehow the concept escapes you.

Buttercup on August 9, 2012 at 5:33 PM

YOU are a great 0bamaGandist. Did you learn how to misrepresent people at Moveon.org?

DannoJyd on August 9, 2012 at 5:02 PM

Nice insult. Please stick to the arguments at hand. Personal attacks are disgusting. I will be voting for the person most likely to beat Obama, who will you be voting for?

weaselyone on August 9, 2012 at 5:33 PM

Reading is fundamental:

That’s about the only thing that you got right here, so why not follow your own advice?

See, when I say he’s “absolutely right” about that part, that implies I read that part and already agree with it. So you don’t need to twist into pretzels arguing against a disagreement I never had. Make sense?

The relevant part was the opposite of what you bolded. Read more carefully next time.

”People of different faiths and different beliefs are free to follow those beliefs when it comes to embracing or opposing same-sex marriage within those faiths and beliefs. However, it should not be the purview of government to impose one set of beliefs over another.

The problem is his policy positions are antithetical to those words. Gary Johnson very clearly FAILS to protect the Constitutional rights of ALL Americans by being deluded into the laughable pretense that licensing privileges are Constitutional rights. He advocates trampling REAL rights like equal protection in order to deliver those fictitious rights to a select few, resulting in “government [imposing] one set of beliefs over another.”

CapnObvious on August 9, 2012 at 5:46 PM

YOU are a great 0bamaGandist. Did you learn how to misrepresent people at Moveon.org?

DannoJyd on August 9, 2012 at 5:02 PM

Secondly, you attempted to represent Buddy Roemer as a former GOP Presidential Candidate. He only ran this election cycle. Your statement was an attempt to give him credibility with commenters when calling for Gary Johnson to be part of the debates. I simply pointed out that he was a former Democrat. In fact he was elected to Congress as a Democrat and governor of Louisiana as a Democrat.

As governor, he didn’t even make it out of the primaries after he switched to the GOP right before he was up for re-election. So who is really misrepresenting things?

The only relation Buddy has to the topic of this blog post is that his entire Presidential Candidacy this year revolved around campaign finance reform. If anything Buddy would be in favor of sueing Obama for breaking the current rules.

Keep talking about former Democrats, who are in favor of limiting free speech,to prove to us how conservative you are.

weaselyone on August 9, 2012 at 5:49 PM

There is no doubt Romneys team has screwed this up response wise royally. Acknowledge it and get to the job of field dressing 0. Get it together Team Romney!

Bmore on August 9, 2012 at 7:07 PM

Since when is “…a little while later…” equal to five years re: the timeframe between him losing his job and her getting cancer? The fact that HE made this statement shows that he’s just as culpable as the rest of them.

RMCS_USN on August 9, 2012 at 8:41 PM

We need to prosecute LIARS.

katablog.com on August 9, 2012 at 10:55 PM

Secondly, you attempted to represent Buddy Roemer as a former GOP Presidential Candidate. He only ran this election cycle. Your statement was an attempt to give him credibility with commenters when calling for Gary Johnson to be part of the debates.

weaselyone on August 9, 2012 at 5:49 PM

You whine and LIE like a liberal. My supposed ‘statement’ was a copy and paste of a NEWS REPORT!

Reading IS fundamental.

DannoJyd on August 10, 2012 at 12:10 PM

Nice insult. Please stick to the arguments at hand. Personal attacks are disgusting.

weaselyone on August 9, 2012 at 5:33 PM

PROVEN LIAR, go heal thyself.

DannoJyd on August 10, 2012 at 12:12 PM

Call it what you will? Civil unions and domestic partnerships are not called Marriage. Can’t you understand that?

Buttercup on August 9, 2012 at 5:33 PM

So will you now rename the black community as well?

I let these groups call themselves whatever they want. If the gays want to believe they are getting married who am I to argue against that?

DannoJyd on August 10, 2012 at 12:16 PM

So will you now rename the black community as well?

I let these groups call themselves whatever they want. If the gays want to believe they are getting married who am I to argue against that?

DannoJyd on August 10, 2012 at 12:16 PM

What the heck are you talking about? The black community what? Marriage is a group? Your synapses aren’t firing and I need my head examined for engaging you.
Best of luck with your Gary Johnstone campaign efforts. Smoke em if you got em.

Buttercup on August 10, 2012 at 3:28 PM

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