Book: Voter fraud is real and has consequences (just look at Sen. Al Franken)

posted at 1:21 pm on August 9, 2012 by Rob Bluey

You’ve probably never heard of Greene County, Alabama. Yet this small county of 9,000 people in western Alabama, about an hour from Tuscaloosa, was home to one of the biggest voter-fraud scandals in recent history. Corrupt incumbents devised an elaborate scheme to rig the election using absentee ballots. When they prevailed on Election Day, skeptical citizens began asking questions. A subsequent investigation and trial led to the convictions of 11 people involved in the plot.

It’s just one example cited by John Fund and Hans von Spakovsky in their new book, “Who’s Counting? How Fraudsters and Bureaucrats Put Your Vote at Risk.” It arrives in stores next week, just as voter ID laws have emerged as a major dispute before the 2012 election.

Two states, South Carolina and Texas, are already engaged in lawsuits with the Justice Department to halt their voter ID laws. Attorney General Eric Holder is currently probing Pennsylvania, which recently became the 11th state to enact a law since 2010.

All of these efforts seek to crack down on voter fraud by requiring a photo ID to vote. It’s as simple as that. Yet liberals have concocted a conspiracy that these laws disenfranchise minorities — an argument the Justice Department is now using in its lawsuits.

That’s why the case of Greene County is so significant. Blacks make up 81.5% of county residents. The median household income is $26,131, just above the federal poverty line. As a result, the county receives more than $80 million from the federal government, making elected leaders powerful figures. And in this case, also corrupt politicians.

Minority voters — the very people the Justice Department is claiming to protect in the current voter-ID cases — were the ones disenfranchised in Greene County. Yet two prominent civil-rights organizations, the NAACP and Southern Christian Leadership Conference, sided with the fraudsters instead of the voters.

Fund and von Spakovsky use other examples like this to debunk liberal myths about voter fraud. Reviewing the book for the Washington Examiner this week, Byron York identified the case of Democrat Sen. Al Franken’s election in Minnesota as one of the most consequential:

With 1,099 examples identified by Minnesota Majority, and with evidence suggesting that felons, when they do vote, strongly favor Democrats, it doesn’t require a leap to suggest there might one day be proof that Al Franken was elected on the strength of voter fraud.

And that’s just the question of voting by felons. Minnesota Majority also found all sorts of other irregularities that cast further doubt on the Senate results.

The election was particularly important because Franken’s victory gave Senate Democrats a 60th vote in favor of President Obama’s national health care proposal — the deciding vote to overcome a Republican filibuster. If Coleman had kept his seat, there would have been no 60th vote, and no Obamacare.

Voter fraud matters when contests are close. When an election is decided by a huge margin, no one can plausibly claim fraud made the difference. But the Minnesota race was excruciatingly close. And then, in the Obamacare debate, Democrats could not afford to lose even a single vote. So if there were any case that demonstrates that voter fraud both exists and has real consequences, it is Minnesota 2008.

Wes Vernon, writing for the Washington Times, points to another anti-ID argument cited by the left: It limits access to the polls. That’s simply not true based on data from two early adopters of voter ID:

The argument that it is racist or suppresses the vote is belied by figures showing no effect or, alternatively, an actual rise in voter participation where implemented.

Take Georgia and Indiana, the two states with the strictest voter ID laws in the country: In 2008, Georgia had its largest turnout in history, second-highest increase in the nation, including a huge boost in Democratic voters (compared to 2004). Indiana’s turnout was the fifth-largest increase nationwide, and there was a very large boost in Democratic voter participation in all 50 states.

Fund, a columnist for National Review, previously wrote “Stealing Elections: How Voter Fraud Threatens Our Democracy.” Von Spakovsky, a former member of the Federal Election Commission, now works at The Heritage Foundation. They spoke at The Bloggers Briefing (video below) about why they took on the project.

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Rob Bluey directs the Center for Media and Public Policy, an investigative journalism operation at The Heritage Foundation. Follow him on Twitter: @RobertBluey


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Just look at Al Franken…

Do I really have too???…

PatriotRider on August 9, 2012 at 1:24 PM

Voter fraud is real and has consequences

When there is any question about this, you know your side has lost.

faraway on August 9, 2012 at 1:26 PM

There has NEVER been a single case of voter fraud. NEVER. Voter ID laws are about racism.
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El_Terrible on August 9, 2012 at 1:27 PM

It’s just one example cited by John Fund and Hans von Spakovsky in their new book, “Who’s Counting? How Fraudsters and Bureaucrats Put Your Vote at Risk.” It arrives in stores next week, just as voter ID laws have emerged as a major dispute before the 2012 election.

Amazon already lists the book as in stock despite August 14 being the release date. Weird.

Doughboy on August 9, 2012 at 1:27 PM

You mean that the NAACP doesn’t have the best interests of black voters … oops, “colored” voters … in mind?

Say it ain’t so!

In fact, for as long as the New Black Panther Party is allowed to wield pipes, at black polling places … all is well.

We have only to trust Utopia.

OhEssYouCowboys on August 9, 2012 at 1:27 PM

Yet two prominent civil-rights organizations, the NAACP and Southern Christian Leadership Conference, sided with the fraudsters instead of the voters.

NAACP and SLC: Really looking out for their fellow blacks.

Bitter Clinger on August 9, 2012 at 1:30 PM

The only view I want to “look at” of Franken is that of his sorry butt leaving the Senate for the last time.

natasha333 on August 9, 2012 at 1:30 PM

From the book, re. “Senator” Stuart Smalley:

And so far, Fund and von Spakovsky report, 177 people have been convicted — not just accused, but convicted — of voting fraudulently in the Senate race. Another 66 are awaiting trial.

Nope, absolutely no such thing as Democrat Voter or Vote Fraud.

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Dems know they can’t win honestly-run elections. That’s why they have to Steal them.

Del Dolemonte on August 9, 2012 at 1:31 PM

Whatever happened to the guy Senator Franken beat? What was his name again?

Exactly.

inthemiddle on August 9, 2012 at 1:31 PM

But…but…but…voter ID laws discriminate against dead people, whose photos don’t look like their living relatives voting for them!!!

/ACORN off

Steve Z on August 9, 2012 at 1:31 PM

Franken didn’t win the recount. His lawyer did. He had a fantastic election lawyer. If Jared Loughner (the Tucson killer) had Franken’s lawyer, Loughner would probably be out of prison and running for Giffords’ House seat today.

RBMN on August 9, 2012 at 1:32 PM

Whatever happened to the guy Senator Franken beat? What was his name again?

Exactly.

inthemiddle on August 9, 2012 at 1:31 PM

You mean, former Senator Norm Coleman? What exactly is your point? That because Al Franken got away with it, no harm no foul?

Doughboy on August 9, 2012 at 1:34 PM

Whatever happened to the guy Senator Franken beat? What was his name again?

Exactly.

inthemiddle on August 9, 2012 at 1:31 PM

Norm Coleman. And what would be the point if someone didn’t know his name?

strictnein on August 9, 2012 at 1:34 PM

Do felons in jail and illegal aliens have photo ID’s?

If not, how are they supposed to vote?

acyl72 on August 9, 2012 at 1:35 PM

Stuart Smalley is such a national joke, he knows he’s a national joke, and I am always happy when someone comes along to remind us that he’s a national joke. And as God is my witness, if I ever get to meet the clown, I will tell him he is a national joke.

Rational Thought on August 9, 2012 at 1:37 PM

Senator Smirking Jumping Clown.

Bishop on August 9, 2012 at 1:38 PM

Same for unctuous Christine Gregoire and the Dimocrat who replaced Tiny Tom Daschle where they held out on the indian reservation returns until they knew how many votes they needed to manufacture.

viking01 on August 9, 2012 at 1:38 PM

Goody two-shoes know-it-alls like Al Franken think they are smarter than their own brethren. While over 40% of Americans characterize themselves as conservative, and only 20% as liberal, Franken and nearly the entire Dem camp now lines up with the leftist extreme, and indeed when our fragile country is in danger of being swamped and taken over by elements that are alien to us, Al “That’s Not Funny” Franken and his ilk (virtually all Dems!) fights for the other side.

anotherJoe on August 9, 2012 at 1:38 PM

Whatever happened to the guy Senator Franken beat? What was his name again?

Exactly.

inthemiddle on August 9, 2012 at 1:31 PM

A classic case of projection.. Someone is ignorant and they assume everyone else is.

melle1228 on August 9, 2012 at 1:38 PM

The best way to make the Dems embrace voter ID is to steal elections from Dems. Turn around, fair play. It would be unexpected, and could lead to reduced fraud in the future. The threat alone may be enough, as the Dems are vulnerable.

Game Theory notes that Tit for Tat is a hard strategy to beat.

NaCly dog on August 9, 2012 at 1:40 PM

The only reason Harry Reid won was that the SEIU serviced the voting machines with a wink and a nod.

John the Libertarian on August 9, 2012 at 1:42 PM

Less than 1,000 actual cases of voter fraud in a decade. Yup, crisis.

libfreeordie on August 9, 2012 at 1:42 PM

The thread picture of Franken perfectly captures the typical Obamuh voter.

This is the face of Utopia.

OhEssYouCowboys on August 9, 2012 at 1:42 PM

Whatever happened to the guy Senator Franken beat? What was his name again?

Exactly.

inthemiddle on August 9, 2012 at 1:31 PM

What’s your point? You enjoy fraud?

wargamer6 on August 9, 2012 at 1:42 PM

Whatever happened to the guy Senator Franken beat? What was his name again?

Exactly.

inthe?????? on August 9, 2012 at 1:31 PM

What was that poster’s name again?

Bitter Clinger on August 9, 2012 at 1:43 PM

Voter fraud dilutes each minority vote so that each real minority voter counts as…um… about 3/5s of a vote.

Plantation politics by the Democrats.

MichaelGabriel on August 9, 2012 at 1:43 PM

Why is it that whenever they “find” a box of uncounted ballots in the trunk of someone’s car or in a garage, they’re all Democrat votes?

John the Libertarian on August 9, 2012 at 1:44 PM

Less than 1,000 actual cases of voter fraud in a decade. Yup, crisis.

libfreeordie on August 9, 2012 at 1:42 PM

Yet you’d whine like a baby if Obama got beat by voter fraud.

Bitter Clinger on August 9, 2012 at 1:47 PM

Whatever happened to the guy Senator Franken beat? What was his name again?

Exactly.

inthemiddle on August 9, 2012 at 1:31 PM

What do you mean the guy (Coleman) that Senator Franken beat? You mean who fraudster clown Franken stole the election from. And btw, what’s the clown been up to lately because I’ve heard of absolutely nothing the clown has ever done in the Dooms deadbeat US Senate besides be a clown like his Reidiculous do-nothing, lying, obstructionist, voice-hearing-in-his-head Doom majority leader and doing only what he’s ordered to do by the do-nothing libturds.

stukinIL4now on August 9, 2012 at 1:48 PM

Forget the fraudulent votes – what about all the useful idiots who legitimately voted for this smirking jackass? No doubt they also found his pathetic comedy routines to be funny proving that they don’t have the brains that God gave an ameoba. In fact, if we did have voter eligibility test questions one of them ought to be “Do you think Al Franken is funny?” and if the answer is “yes” it should be an immediate disqualifier.

natasha333 on August 9, 2012 at 1:48 PM

Less than 1,000 actual cases of voter fraud in a decade. Yup, crisis.

libfreeordie on August 9, 2012 at 1:42 PM

So 100 fraudulent elections per year is a good thing in your little mind?

dentarthurdent on August 9, 2012 at 1:49 PM

This is one of the big reasons Artur Davis left the Democratic Party and left Alabama. He was approqched repeatedly by the fraud merchants and rejected their “help” for his Congressional races. He was expected to pony up campaign funds to help bribe voters and pay the fraudsters. He stood up against the NAACP in that Greene County case. As a result, he was ostracized by the Democratic Party and they backed a white candidate against him in the primary for governor.

rockmom on August 9, 2012 at 1:49 PM

Whatever happened to the guy Senator Franken beat? What was his name again?

Exactly.

inthemiddle on August 9, 2012 at 1:31 PM

That’s right. And hey, you guys got a lock on the murderer/rapist/child molester voting block, so woohoo!

tdpwells on August 9, 2012 at 1:50 PM

Less than 1,000 actual cases of voter fraud in a decade. Yup, crisis.

libfreeordie on August 9, 2012 at 1:42 PM

Considering today’s technology that’s even too much. You do realize that most of the civilized world requires ID? Even Socialist Canada requires ID to vote.

Does that mean that Socialist Canada are racists? Or just a little smarter than the people who take issue with having to show ID to vote?

kim roy on August 9, 2012 at 1:50 PM

So 100 fraudulent elections per year is a good thing in your little mind?

dentarthurdent on August 9, 2012 at 1:49 PM

Only when their side wins. Otherwise they scream DIEBOLD!!!!!11 from the rooftops.

tdpwells on August 9, 2012 at 1:51 PM

Less than 1,000 actual cases of voter fraud in a decade. Yup, crisis.

libfreeordie on August 9, 2012 at 1:42 PM

Yes, because people conducting federally criminal activity openly proclaim it to the world, dead people are very capable of coming forward and pointing out that someone else voted on their name, and Democrats have welcomed open examination of voter rolls and polling processes.

Guess you missed that video where a white guy walked right into a polling place and was invited to vote under the name of the Attorney General of the United States. Tell me, since no one questioned him at the booth, had they not been broadcasting this openly, how would you ever have known this event had ever taken place?

The Schaef on August 9, 2012 at 1:51 PM

Less than 1,000 actual cases of voter fraud in a decade. Yup, crisis.

libfreeordie on August 9, 2012 at 1:42 PM

Surprised to see a Dem even admit that there is Democrat voter fraud. Congratulations on admitting it.

A+

Just curious-I know it was before your parents were even born, but do you believe there was voter or vote fraud in Illinois and Texas in the 1960 Presidential election?

Del Dolemonte on August 9, 2012 at 1:52 PM

Whatever happened to the guy Senator Franken beat? What was his name again?

Exactly.

inthemiddle on August 9, 2012 at 1:31 PM

That would be Norm Coleman, exactly the sort of moderate, nice guy, thinking Republican that all you liberals say we don’t have enough of. The smears leveled at him by Franken and his supporters, many of which were blatantly anti-semitic, have been rivaled only by what we’re seeing now from team Obama.

rockmom on August 9, 2012 at 1:53 PM

You forget that Obowma has granted amnesty to over 40 million illegal aliens…

… and the Democrats are busily registering them to vote.

The only thing I have to say to the rest of you is…

… Welcome to California!

Have a nice day…!

Seven Percent Solution on August 9, 2012 at 1:53 PM

Surprised to see a Dem even admit that there is Democrat voter fraud. Congratulations on admitting it.

A+

Just curious-I know it was before your parents were even born, but do you believe there was voter or vote fraud in Illinois and Texas in the 1960 Presidential election?

Del Dolemonte on August 9, 2012 at 1:52 PM

Yes – interesting flip-flop – since the libtard trolls here have stated many times that there is NO voter fraud. But now that it has been proven, their answer is “oh well, not THAT much”. Nice try at sidestepping the fact that they are now proven liars (yet again).

dentarthurdent on August 9, 2012 at 1:55 PM

Considering today’s technology that’s even too much. You do realize that most of the civilized world requires ID? Even Socialist Canada requires ID to vote.

Does that mean that Socialist Canada are racists? Or just a little smarter than the people who take issue with having to show ID to vote?

kim roy on August 9, 2012 at 1:50 PM

I guess unions are racist, too, since they require ID for their elections.

Bitter Clinger on August 9, 2012 at 1:55 PM

Yet you’d whine like a baby if Obama got beat by voter fraud.

Bitter Clinger on August 9, 2012 at 1:47 PM

Not to worry “libby”, teh 1 would just executive order himself the winner

skeeterbite on August 9, 2012 at 1:57 PM

You mean that the NAACP doesn’t have the best interests of black voters … oops, “colored” voters … in mind?

OhEssYouCowboys on August 9, 2012 at 1:27 PM

When you talk about “colored”, I assume you’re talking about Caucasians. After all, only a Caucasian can turn green with envy, yellow when he’s a coward, pale when he is frightened, purple when he’s chocking, brown when he lays out in the sun to tan, red when he stays in the sun too long, blue when he is freezing, gray when he dies, black when his body rots.

timberline on August 9, 2012 at 1:57 PM

One has to show “valid photo ID” to cash a welfare check, apply for “Food Stamps”, buy beer or a pack of cigarettes or gain entrance to an Eric Holder speech…but for Voting? THAT’S RACIST!!!111!!!… LOL

Do these morons actually hear themselves?

Strike Hornet on August 9, 2012 at 1:59 PM

Stuart Smalley is such a national joke, he knows he’s a national joke, and I am always happy when someone comes along to remind us that he’s a national joke. And as God is my witness, if I ever get to meet the clown, I will tell him he is a national joke.

Rational Thought on August 9, 2012 at 1:37 PM

The joke was the 60th vote that gave us Obamacare.

slickwillie2001 on August 9, 2012 at 1:59 PM

Same for unctuous Christine Gregoire and the Dimocrat who replaced Tiny Tom Daschle where they held out on the indian reservation returns until they knew how many votes they needed to manufacture.

viking01 on August 9, 2012 at 1:38 PM

????
Daschle was beat by Senator John Thune (R-SD), who has been mentioned on-and-off as a potential VEEP pick.

However, I do agree that the Democrats run the reservations like they used to run plantations back in the day.

weaselyone on August 9, 2012 at 2:01 PM

Whoopi on the proven Voter Fraud:
But, c’mon, it wasn’t “rape, rape”….

Strike Hornet on August 9, 2012 at 2:01 PM

I found it shocking that being asked to confirm citizenship seemed to terrify Michigan voters. What are they hiding?

Voters Turned Away As Citizenship Box Creates Confusion At The Polls

This suggests that the known problem of illegal aliens voting may be MUCH greater than we ever suspected.

slickwillie2001 on August 9, 2012 at 2:02 PM

So the Left disenfranchises voters with fraud, then goes on to accuse conservatives of attempting to disenfranchise voters by trying to solve the problem.

Typical Lefty projection/admission of guilt. They accuse others of what they themselves are guilty of.

visions on August 9, 2012 at 2:04 PM

inthemiddle on August 9, 2012 at 1:31 PM

That would be Norm Coleman, exactly the sort of moderate, nice guy, thinking Republican that all you liberals say we don’t have enough of. The smears leveled at him by Franken and his supporters, many of which were blatantly anti-semitic, have been rivaled only by what we’re seeing now from team Obama.

rockmom on August 9, 2012 at 1:53 PM

Coleman is doing OK these days according to wiki

In April 2011, Coleman joined Hogan Lovells, an international legal practice, as senior government advisor in their Washington D.C. office. As of 2012, Coleman continues to serve on the board of directors to the Republican Jewish Coalition and as Chairman of the American Action Network. Coleman is also on the National Advisory Council for the US Global Leadership Coalition, a bipartisan committee that promotes interntational engagement, and includes every living former US Secretary of State.

Does anyone know what exactly Senator Stuart Smalley has “accomplished” legislatively as the Junior US Senator since the Democrat Activist Judges in Minnesota Stole the election for him?

Del Dolemonte on August 9, 2012 at 2:05 PM

The only reason Harry Reid won was that the SEIU serviced the voting machines with a wink and a nod.

John the Libertarian on August 9, 2012 at 1:42 PM

Dear John, you do know that prostitution is legal in Nevada so the SEIU stealing the election for Dingy Harry by servicing the voting machines was entirely legal in their view.

Kissmygrits on August 9, 2012 at 2:05 PM

Less than 1,000 actual cases of voter fraud in a decade. Yup, crisis.

libfreeordie on August 9, 2012 at 1:42 PM

That we know about. It’s a pretty safe bet that there have been a lot more fraudulent votes cast and/or counted in the last decade which we just don’t know about. I’d guess from what I’ve read that at least 1000 votes in the Gregoire vs. Rossi race in Washington weren’t legit. But by your reasoning, we shouldn’t worry, no one’s been charged, so no fraud happened.

LibraryGryffon on August 9, 2012 at 2:06 PM

Less than 1,000 actual cases of voter fraud in a decade. Yup, crisis.

libfreeordie on August 9, 2012 at 1:42 PM

Yet you’d whine like a baby if Obama got beat by voter fraud.

Bitter Clinger on August 9, 2012 at 1:47 PM

Then whine about “hanging chads” for…12 years.

ndanielson on August 9, 2012 at 2:06 PM

If you think this is bad, you should check out Lyndon Johnson’s first election to the senate. At least one ballot box was “lost” for a couple of days. After all other ballots were counted, Johnson was behind by a couple hundred votes. Then, providence provided. The “lost” box was “found”. It contained more ballots than the number of people who had voted. As one might expect, Johnson was elected.

burt on August 9, 2012 at 2:11 PM

A bit of sloppy arguement here…voter ID requirements don’t impact absentee voting fraud (like the Alabama cases), only in person voting

krome on August 9, 2012 at 2:11 PM

I voted for Norm Coleman, and he is ultimately the person I blame for Al Franken winning the Senate seat.

Once the votes were in, and the automatic recount was triggered, it was no secret that Al Franken’s team was going to challenge the validity of every single ballot. Franken had hired some guy from Washington state who did the exact same thing, which also changed the end result. This was no secret, there were articles written about it the very next day, and yet Norm Coleman went about business as usual. It wasn’t until it became clear that Coleman could actually lose that he began contesting the ballots, but by then he was too late.

So you can have the discussion about voter fraud, and whether or not Franken cheated, of which there are good arguments to make. However, I still feel that if Coleman had contested every ballot from day one like Franken did, that Coleman would have retained his seat.

publius75 on August 9, 2012 at 2:12 PM

Another dirty little question: how many down-ballot races are screwed by vote-stuffing?
I mean, opening a bagful of ballots with ONLY ONE RACE/NAME marked *should* look a bit suspicious! You can honestly say all those voters had no additional interest in a judge or sheriff or tax-millage question?
Get serious.

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CaveatEmpty on August 9, 2012 at 2:13 PM

The joke was the 60th vote that gave us Obamacare.

slickwillie2001 on August 9, 2012 at 1:59 PM

Wonder what old Stupak is up to these days.

tdpwells on August 9, 2012 at 2:14 PM

That America even knows what a “hanging chad” is, is proof that every honest vote counts. It is proof, further, that stealing that vote is worth their effort.

ndanielson on August 9, 2012 at 2:16 PM

A bit of sloppy arguement here…voter ID requirements don’t impact absentee voting fraud (like the Alabama cases), only in person voting

krome on August 9, 2012 at 2:11 PM

I casted an absentee ballot back home during college. The local elections folks sent out a mailing after I had sent in my ballot recommending that I send in a copy of my driver’s license to them because they knew the election was going to be close and that people were going to be challenging the absentee ballots.

Sounds like a simple fix to make into law. If you are voting by mail you must include a photo copy of a photo ID that people can later verify against government records in addition to a signature match.

weaselyone on August 9, 2012 at 2:17 PM

I guess unions are racist, too, since they require ID for their elections.

Bitter Clinger on August 9, 2012 at 1:55 PM

LOL! That’s to keep track of who voted what. They don’t care about “disenfranchising”. ;)

kim roy on August 9, 2012 at 2:19 PM

If you think this is bad, you should check out Lyndon Johnson’s first election to the senate. At least one ballot box was “lost” for a couple of days. After all other ballots were counted, Johnson was behind by a couple hundred votes. Then, providence provided. The “lost” box was “found”. It contained more ballots than the number of people who had voted. As one might expect, Johnson was elected.

burt on August 9, 2012 at 2:11 PM

…and forever after he was known as “Landslide Lyndon”.

slickwillie2001 on August 9, 2012 at 2:20 PM

Does anyone know what exactly Senator Stuart Smalley has “accomplished” legislatively as the Junior US Senator since the Democrat Activist Judges in Minnesota Stole the election for him?

Del Dolemonte on August 9, 2012 at 2:05 PM

He continues to accomplish the feat of cashing a government paycheck. I bet he even gets asked for ID on occasion.

kim roy on August 9, 2012 at 2:21 PM

Corrupt incumbents devised an elaborate scheme to rig the election using absentee ballots.

In other words, voter ID laws wouldn’t have prevented it.

red_herring on August 9, 2012 at 2:21 PM

Less than 1,000 actual cases of voter fraud in a decade. Yup, crisis.

libfreeordie on August 9, 2012 at 1:42 PM

Reminder: the winner of the 2000 presidential election was determined by 537 votes.

Kataklysmic on August 9, 2012 at 2:21 PM

Just a sample of what we may be up against with illegals voting in Florida: Florida Says 180,000 Non-Citizens May Be On Voter Rolls

slickwillie2001 on August 9, 2012 at 2:22 PM

In other words, voter ID laws wouldn’t have prevented it.

red_herring on August 9, 2012 at 2:21 PM

In other words, fraud is more likely to be used to disenfranchise the poor and minorities.

weaselyone on August 9, 2012 at 2:28 PM

I’ve long suspected the lizard people were undercounted in MN.

Happy Nomad on August 9, 2012 at 2:28 PM

All of these efforts seek to crack down on voter fraud by requiring a photo ID to vote. It’s as simple as that.

Voter ID laws discourage voters, whether it be because they shouldn’t legally vote or because they don’t want the bother. Both categories of people tend to vote more Democrat than Republican. Thus Democrats are against the laws and Republicans for them. It’s as simple as that. Neither side seeks to make elections more “fair” or “representative,” just more tilted toward their side. (That said, the one liberal friend I’ve discussed this with isn’t so partisan as to avoid thinking that Voter ID is just common sense. But that Overton window hasn’t quite shifted for everyone. If it does, voting sans ID might be lumped into slavery and bellbottoms in the “Why did we ever do that?” pile.)

If Coleman had kept his seat, there would have been no 60th vote, and no Obamacare.

If they found a way to get around Scott Brown, what makes you think they wouldn’t have done the same thing in the case of Coleman? Who would have stopped yet another reinterpretation of the filibuster rules?

calbear on August 9, 2012 at 2:30 PM

timberline on August 9, 2012 at 1:57 PM

Between the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, the Congressional Black Caucus and the United Negro College Fund, I’m really at a loss as to the appropriate terminology that is demande of me, for this year.

This “African-American” stuff is just adding fuel to the Orwellian fire.

It’s all about controlling what people say, and if you don’t say it, you’re a racist.

Orwell called it Newspeak.

And I don’t play the game.

OhEssYouCowboys on August 9, 2012 at 2:30 PM

Reminder: the winner of the 2000 presidential election was determined by 537 votes.

Kataklysmic on August 9, 2012 at 2:21 PM

Reminder: The winner of the 2000 Presidential election was determined by 5 votes. This is why Obama should not be permitted to make any more SCOTUS appointments.

Happy Nomad on August 9, 2012 at 2:38 PM

Less than 1,000 actual cases of voter fraud in a decade. Yup, crisis.

libfreeordie on August 9, 2012 at 1:42 PM

That we know about. It’s a pretty safe bet that there have been a lot more fraudulent votes cast and/or counted in the last decade which we just don’t know about. I’d guess from what I’ve read that at least 1000 votes in the Gregoire vs. Rossi race in Washington weren’t legit. But by your reasoning, we shouldn’t worry, no one’s been charged, so no fraud happened.

LibraryGryffon on August 9, 2012 at 2:06 PM

Hundreds of Democrats in Illinois were formally charged in the 1960 Presidential election fraud case. They were all “exonerated” by Activist Democrat Judges.

Del Dolemonte on August 9, 2012 at 2:42 PM

Reminder: the winner of the 2000 presidential election was determined by 537 votes.

Kataklysmic on August 9, 2012 at 2:21 PM

Reminder: The winner of the 2000 Presidential election was determined by 5 votes.

Happy Nomad on August 9, 2012 at 2:38 PM

Technically incorrect. The SCOTUS decision that made Bush President was 7-2. The second 5-4 ruling solely applied to the remedy.

The Left are the ones who ignore the actual 7-2 SCOTUS ruling and only mention the later “bitterly divided” 5-4 one.

Del Dolemonte on August 9, 2012 at 2:45 PM

The Left are the ones who ignore the actual 7-2 SCOTUS ruling and only mention the later “bitterly divided” 5-4 one.

Del Dolemonte on August 9, 2012 at 2:45 PM

Still too close a margin.

Happy Nomad on August 9, 2012 at 2:49 PM

The Franken case would make a good book: A lying liar and the felons who elected him..an autobiography.

HumpBot Salvation on August 9, 2012 at 2:51 PM

Reminder: The winner of the 2000 Presidential election was determined by 5 votes. This is why Obama should not be permitted to make any more SCOTUS appointments.

Happy Nomad on August 9, 2012 at 2:38 PM

I understand your point. I was referring to an observation made by the author of this book on the Michael Medved show yesterday. He waid that Bush won FL by 537 votes in 2000 and at least a couple hundred Democrats that he had located had voted for Gore in both NY and FL.

Kataklysmic on August 9, 2012 at 2:52 PM

All of these efforts seek to crack down on voter fraud by requiring a photo ID to vote.

Okay.

You’ve probably never heard of Greene County, Alabama. Yet this small county of 9,000 people in western Alabama, about an hour from Tuscaloosa, was home to one of the biggest voter-fraud scandals in recent history. Corrupt incumbents devised an elaborate scheme to rig the election using absentee ballots. When they prevailed on Election Day, skeptical citizens began asking questions. A subsequent investigation and trial led to the convictions of 11 people involved in the plot.

Voter ID would not have prevented this because they did not vote in person. So why should I support voter ID?

RanchTooth on August 9, 2012 at 2:53 PM

*said

Kataklysmic on August 9, 2012 at 2:53 PM

I hadn’t known the particulars of the 1960 election, a serious thank you for the info.

I had been simply addressing LFD’s assertion of less than 1000 over the last decade. I wonder now many LDF would admit to over the last half century? I would guess that the goal posts would change to “since no on was found guilty, it didn’t happen”.

LibraryGryffon on August 9, 2012 at 3:16 PM

Coleman is doing OK these days according to wiki

In April 2011, Coleman joined Hogan Lovells, an international legal practice, as senior government advisor in their Washington D.C. office. As of 2012, Coleman continues to serve on the board of directors to the Republican Jewish Coalition and as Chairman of the American Action Network. Coleman is also on the National Advisory Council for the US Global Leadership Coalition, a bipartisan committee that promotes interntational engagement, and includes every living former US Secretary of State.

Does anyone know what exactly Senator Stuart Smalley has “accomplished” legislatively as the Junior US Senator since the Democrat Activist Judges in Minnesota Stole the election for him?

Del Dolemonte on August 9, 2012 at 2:05 PM

Exactly

ccrosby on August 9, 2012 at 3:19 PM

Does anyone know what exactly Senator Stuart Smalley has “accomplished” legislatively as the Junior US Senator since the Democrat Activist Judges in Minnesota Stole the election for him?

Del Dolemonte on August 9, 2012 at 2:05 PM

Unfortunately, yes:

Franken’s victory gave Senate Democrats a 60th vote in favor of President Obama’s national health care proposal — the deciding vote to overcome a Republican filibuster. If Coleman had kept his seat, there would have been no 60th vote, and no Obamacare.

Kataklysmic on August 9, 2012 at 3:24 PM

Enough already with the “poor and minorities” shibboleth. Drive by any public assistance office and apply your keen sense of observation to what you’ll find. There will be lots of examples of “poor and minorities” who managed to find a way to get their “poor/minority” butts down to that office to sign up for their checks. 99.99% of them will be yammering away on their cell phones while they’re there, too. Unless the cell phone fairy dropped the phone off at their house, one can safely assume they made it to a store to purchase that phone. So we’re supposed to believe that there are hoardes of “poor and minorities” who can’t manage to find their way to the office that issues government identification? I call B.S.

natasha333 on August 9, 2012 at 3:25 PM

Does anyone know what exactly Senator Stuart Smalley has “accomplished” legislatively as the Junior US Senator since the Democrat Activist Judges in Minnesota Stole the election for him?

Del Dolemonte on August 9, 2012 at 2:05 PM

Unfortunately, yes:

Franken’s victory gave Senate Democrats a 60th vote in favor of President Obama’s national health care proposal — the deciding vote to overcome a Republican filibuster. If Coleman had kept his seat, there would have been no 60th vote, and no Obamacare.

Kataklysmic on August 9, 2012 at 3:24 PM

I was more interested in how many actual pieces of legislation bearing his name has he introduced and how many of them have been enacted into law?

Oh, and how many Post Offices has he gotten renamed?

Del Dolemonte on August 9, 2012 at 3:35 PM

When and if they ever find these people who were installed to office by fraud will we see any jail time or do they get a slap on the wrist? The double standard of our Government is outstanding but nothing changes because in order to change Congress must do it and they are the worst offenders of the double standard.

mixplix on August 9, 2012 at 3:40 PM

LibraryGryffon on August 9, 2012 at 2:06 PM

Hundreds of Democrats in Illinois were formally charged in the 1960 Presidential election fraud case. They were all “exonerated” by Activist Democrat Judges.

Del Dolemonte on August 9, 2012 at 2:42 PM

LibraryGryffon on August 9, 2012 at 3:16 PM

More:

Federal special prosecutor Morris Wexler conducted a quiet inquiry into 1960 Illinois election fraud and the evidence was pervasive. Mayor Richard J. Daley stole Illinois’ 27 Electoral College votes for fellow Democrat John F. Kennedy, denying Richard Nixon the presidency. Kennedy won the state by 8,858 of 4.7 million votes.

-snip-

Special prosecutor Wexler’s report, issued in April 1961, found “substantial” miscounts in the 1,367 precincts it examined, including unqualified voters, misread voting machines and math mistakes. In one precinct, voters asked where to deposit tickets for drawing for hams. In another, a precinct captain handed out slips of paper entitling voters to free lunches.

In many precincts, boarding house bums and vagrants were promised and given a shot of whiskey for a vote. There is substantial evidence that these fraudulent voters were shuttled from polling place to polling place and were “repeaters.” Wexler’s inquiry was hampered by the non-cooperation of Cook County officials and the Democratic machine, where Wexler was stonewalled. Wexler brought contempt charges against 667 election officials, but the cases were dismissed by a(n)(Activist)Democratic judge. Three people were convicted on criminal charges.

The evidence of voter fraud in Texas, where the Kennedy-Johnson ticket carried the state by a scant 50,000 votes was as widespread and odious as that of the daily machine in Chicago. Thousands of Texas ballots were thrown out on the technicality that all of those who went to the polls did not scratch out the names of the candidates for the presidency for whom they did not want to vote, as the law required. Republicans – who were not joined by Nixon, who was graceful in defeat, if privately furious, charged this had taken the state’s electoral vote away from the Vice President. The requirement was applied in some counties and not in others.

Lyndon Johnson’s vote stealing capabilities marred his first election to the Senate, where ballot boxes disappeared while others were stuffed, requiring a U.S. Supreme Court ruling, by which Johnson stole his U.S. Senate Seat from Conservative Democrat and former Governor “Coke” Stevenson.

-snip-

Unlike Illinois, Johnson left little to chance–45,000 disallowed ballots for the Nixon-Lodge ticket, in which voters had circled the Nixon-Lodge ticket, rather than cross out those candidates they did not want to vote for or burnt within 24 hours of the election in Democrat-dominated counties where election board authorities insisted they had no room for storage.

The shift of Illinois and Texas, where victory was indeed stolen from Richard Nixon, would have elected the vice president.

Del Dolemonte on August 9, 2012 at 3:42 PM

I was more interested in how many actual pieces of legislation bearing his name has he introduced and how many of them have been enacted into law?

Oh, and how many Post Offices has he gotten renamed?

Del Dolemonte on August 9, 2012 at 3:35 PM

Well, there was the Shrilly Bedwetter Act Franken sponsored which renamed a post office after Hilary and a local NAMBLA meethinghouse after Paul Krugman so he’s got his bases covered.

Kataklysmic on August 9, 2012 at 3:44 PM

I’m not a violent person but Al Franken makes me want to punch him in the face. Thats almost like a tingle in my leg no?

Buttercup on August 9, 2012 at 3:58 PM

Del Dolemonte on August 9, 2012 at 3:42 PM

When the Godfather of the Kennedy Crime Family, Joseph P. Kennedy, was asked why the election of 1960 was so close, he laughed and said “because I couldn’t afford a landslide!”

slickwillie2001 on August 9, 2012 at 4:10 PM

Less than 1,000 actual cases of voter fraud in a decade. Yup, crisis.

libfreeordie on August 9, 2012 at 1:42 PM

It’s like cockroaches. Those you see are only a small number of a larger infestation.

Mitoch55 on August 9, 2012 at 4:52 PM

Less than 1,000 actual cases of voter fraud in a decade. Yup, crisis.

libfreeordie on August 9, 2012 at 1:42 PM

So, in your mind, there needs to be a crisis before fraud is dealt with?

teh left is only against voter i.d. because it knows that the only way the left can win in most instances is voter fraud. Period, end of story.

there is no honest, rational, reasonable argument against requiring IDs to vote. Yes – the burned of needing the same thing you need to buy cigarettes, alcohol, enter a federal building, obtain federal entitlements (food stamps, welfare checks, SS, SSD, etc), rent a car, rent a video, get a library card, fly, enter a bar, buy a gun, cash a check, open a bank account, cross the border (legally), check in to a hotel, and do tons of everyday, ordinary things, is the same thing as DISENFRANCHISING VOTERS!!!!!!11!!

How does your complete and utter lack of morality, principal, values, ethics, or honesty not bother you?

Monkeytoe on August 9, 2012 at 4:53 PM

“burned” = burden

Monkeytoe on August 9, 2012 at 4:53 PM

How does your complete and utter lack of morality, principal, values, ethics, or honesty not bother you?

Monkeytoe on August 9, 2012 at 4:53 PM

You answered your own question.

Mitoch55 on August 9, 2012 at 4:56 PM

Del Dolemonte on August 9, 2012 at 3:42 PM

When the Godfather of the Kennedy Crime Family, Joseph P. Kennedy, was asked why the election of 1960 was so close, he laughed and said “because I couldn’t afford a landslide!”

slickwillie2001 on August 9, 2012 at 4:10 PM

From the same article I cite earlier:

The role of organized crime and the Chicago mob in both Kennedy’s earlier West Virginia Primary win and the effort to steal Illinois is undeniable. Special prosecutor Wexler’s report details voter intimidation as well as thugs ferrying “ghost voters” from polling place to polling place.

This, I believe, Ambassador Joseph P. Kennedy’s deal with the Chicago mob, would sow the seeds for John F. Kennedy’s assassination. According to Sam Giancana’s daughter, Ambassador Kennedy agreed to kill the Eisenhower Justice Department’s efforts to extradite Santo Trafficante and Carlos Marcello to prominent mob chieftans in return for the mob’s help in Chicago.

Ambassador Kennedy was traditionally closer to the New York mob where Frank Costello had been his partner in the bootlegging business. Some in the Chicago mob had actually provided funds for Nixon’s 1950 election to the U.S. Senate because the Chicago boys controlled the Los Angeles mob through LA Gangster Mickey Cohen.

Nonetheless, Ambassador Kennedy got $1 million for the Kennedy campaign coffers from the Chicago Mob, and made his deal for an election day steal.

After Bobby Kennedy became Attorney General and began pressing for the deportation of Trafficante, Giancana contacted Ambassador Kennedy. Kennedy demanded 50% of the action of the Cal-Neva Casino in Lake Tahoe, Nevada to keep up his side of the earlier bargain. Fifty percent of the share in Cal-Neva were transferred to singer, Morton Downey, Sr., a crony and straw man for Joe Kennedy.

When felled by a stroke, the old Ambassador was powerless to stop Bobby Kennedy from proceeding against the mob. That Giancana played some role in Kennedy’s assassination is likely. That an identified mob button-man Jack Ruby killed Oswald to silence him is not coincidence. The Warren Commission, by the way, says Ruby had “no known associations with organized crime,” which historians have conclusively disproved.

Del Dolemonte on August 9, 2012 at 5:06 PM

Less than 1,000 actual cases of voter fraud in a decade. Yup, crisis.

libfreeordie on August 9, 2012 at 1:42 PM

Are you really this slow or do you have absolutely no critical thinking skills? What US AG stopped a blowout of a voter intimidation case recently? It’s the same with voter fraud and it happens all the time. Unfortunately it is usually seen as unimportant or, as in a local case to me, our lawyers being lazy and/or complicit or it’s simply covered up as best as possible and never spoken of again.

roopster217 on August 9, 2012 at 5:16 PM

Del Dolemonte on August 9, 2012 at 5:06 PM

I always thought this. Texas votes used to be considered a joke. That is where the name Landslide Lyndon came from (before he got a real justification for the moniker).

Then we have Chicago, and votes in someone’s car in the Senator franker fiasco.

Yet MSNBC fights on and brings up the case of a 90 plus year old woman who marched with MLK but lacks photo ID.

What do you do about her?

IlikedAUH2O on August 9, 2012 at 5:36 PM

Buttercup on August 9, 2012 at 3:58 PM

No it isn’t. That impulse about President Obama can get you tossed in jail.

IlikedAUH2O on August 9, 2012 at 5:37 PM

Yet MSNBC fights on and brings up the case of a 90 plus year old woman who marched with MLK but lacks photo ID.

What do you do about her?

IlikedAUH2O on August 9, 2012 at 5:36 PM

Tell her to use the money she just got from msnbc to hire a limo to get her to wherever she needs to go to get an ID.

Oh wait, how can msnbc write her a check for the appearance when she does not have a bank account to cash it into? hmmm …. maybe the payday loan guys, err, naw, they want an id too …. oh heck, I guess she is a lieing sack of potatos!

Freddy on August 9, 2012 at 6:00 PM

OhEssYouCowboys on August 9, 2012 at 1:27 PM

It’s “Black” this year…we don’t say “Colored” until Romney is elected and then Progressives can say that Romney is trying to bring us back to Jim Crow laws.

/Black Sarc :o)

Less than 1,000 actual cases of voter fraud in a decade. Yup, crisis.

libfreeordie on August 9, 2012 at 1:42 PM

But…But i thought *all* votes counted!!!

Not to mention, the town has a majority of…well, minorities. That being the case if the majority (or whole) of those arrested politicians in the case are Black or White, don’t you think those they were supposed to represent should be able to seek Justice under the Law?

Or, more likely, because the majority of those politicians are more likely to be Democrats, that we should just sweep it under the rug?

Cuz you know, its JUST poor, Southern Black folk that got shafted? Not like they were like from somewhere important like NY or LA…

/

BlaxPac on August 9, 2012 at 6:08 PM

Whatever happened to the guy Senator Franken beat? What was his name again?

Exactly.

inthemiddle on August 9, 2012 at 1:31 PM

Norm Coleman you idiot piece of shit.

He was my mayor for about eight years and he’d be my Senator right now if the thugs in the DFL hadn’t found ballots just sitting around at polling places up in the Iron Range and lying in car trunks in Maplewood. Even voter ID can’t stop that kind of fraud although we’re still going to get voter id this year after it wins with 60%+ of the vote.

Atleast that way it’s a little more difficult for the DFL dipshits to steal elections.

letoile du nord on August 9, 2012 at 6:23 PM

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