WaPo/ABC poll shows Romney favorability plateaued, Obama dropping among registered voters

posted at 8:41 am on August 8, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

Today’s Washington Post/ABC News poll gives a little bit of good news to Barack Obama — and therefore some bad news for Mitt Romney.  In an advance look at the overall poll results, Obama leads Romney on favorability.  However, the gap narrows when the poll reports only from registered voters, which the Post and ABC fail to mention:

Although 40 percent of voters now say they hold a favorable opinion of the former Massachusetts governor — virtually unchanged from May — those holding negative views of him ticked higher in the new survey, from 45 percent to 49 percent.

Meanwhile, President Obama remained in positive territory on that measure, with 53 percent of voters reporting favorable opinions of him. Only 43 percent say they feel unfavorably toward him.

To find the favorability gap among registered voters, one has to look at the report from the pollster, provided by ABC News.  Among RVs, Obama leads in favorability 49/42.  That represents a tie for the Obama low in this poll for 2012 (also 49% in February), while Romney’s 42% is the second-highest report for him since the primaries started in January.  Dropping three points in a month isn’t exactly great news for Romney, but it’s also not as bad as Obama’s drift as an incumbent — especially an incumbent who has spent well into nine figures this spring and summer trying to destroy Romney’s credibility through harshly negative advertising.

Of course, we have a lot of problems in the WaPo/ABC poll series with sampling. In these advance results reports, the sampling data is not usually included, and today’s report is no exception.  We can’t evaluate these results fully until we determine how well the modeling of the sample data matches that of the electorate in 2012.  That doesn’t mean that the information is entirely useless, however, especially within party-affiliation demographics.  Those results are a mixed bag for both candidates, too:

INDEPENDENTS – Obama’s gained back ground he’d lost among independents, customarily swing voters in national elections. In late May he fell numerically underwater among independents for the first time since December (45-52 percent favorable-unfavorable). He’s now back far in front of Romney in this group, largely because of gains among independent women.

Among all independents, Obama’s favorability rating is now 16 points higher than Romney’s (53 percent vs. 37 percent). At the same time, that narrows among independents who are registered to vote – 46 percent favorable for Obama, 38 percent for Romney – indicating, among other factors, the potential importance of voter registration drives in the few months ahead.

That’s an eight-point swing among independents between general-population adults and registered voters — which sounds a little odd to me.  I’d expect to see some difference, but eight points is pretty large.  Still, this isn’t good news for Romney, who needs to beat Obama’s seven-point win in 2008 among unaffiliated voters.

However, Romney has some good news on the Republican-unity front:

Among partisans, Romney’s caught up with Obama in popularity within his own party; 83 percent of Republicans rate Romney positively, as do 84 percent of Democrats for Obama. That’s Romney’s best-ever rating with the party faithful, up 25 points since mid-March.

Romney’s rated favorably by fewer conservatives, 65 percent, though this, too, is a new high.

That’s not a bad development, nor is Romney in desperate straits as we roll toward the conventions.  Team Obama still hasn’t scored a knockout, and they’re three weeks away from getting seriously outpunched in the general election.  Having an incumbent at 49% favorability among registered voters suggest that it’s probably lower among likely voters — and both are bad numbers for the candidate looking for re-election.

Update: Yes, I meant to say three weeks – or to be very precise, three weeks and two days.  Romney can start spending general-election cash once he accepts the nomination at the convention, and that is the official start of the general election.


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It’s a damn shame low information voters exist.

Corporal Tunnel on August 8, 2012 at 8:44 AM

Team Obama still hasn’t scored a knockout, and they’re three weeks away from getting seriously outpunched in the general election

August 29?

Akzed on August 8, 2012 at 8:46 AM

Just show jive acts and pimp roll can carry you still.

bayview on August 8, 2012 at 8:46 AM

PPP on the other hand….

HotAirian on August 8, 2012 at 8:47 AM

Team Socialism has been carpet bombing TV with its “Romney is an evil greedy selfish uncaring capitalist and represents all that is wrong with America” Marx inspired attack ads.

I’ve even seen them on the History Channel.

Little wonder Romney’s favorability might seem to be “plateauing”.

Romney needs to start countering this campaign soon.

farsighted on August 8, 2012 at 8:49 AM

Voters lie to pollsters. Pollsters manipulate results to enhance their income.

meci on August 8, 2012 at 8:49 AM

August 29?

Akzed on August 8, 2012 at 8:46 AM

He’s on a roll.

VegasRick on August 8, 2012 at 8:50 AM

That’s not a bad development, nor is Romney in desperate straits as we roll toward the conventions.

I don’t want anybody who wants to get rid of this administration to become complacent. And Obama is too busy dragging out vulture capitalism messages and having surrogates call Romney a felon and murderer to get around to defending his record. The one time he went off script and tried, we ended up with the “you didn’t build that” theme.

The debates will be very interesting when the jug-eared Kenyan is pinned down to talk about his record. Or at least allowing Romney to talk about Obama’s record with the filthy lying coward on the same stage. Also, I predict that the GOP convention will be one of unity while the Dem convention will be a giant debacle absent much of the Obama love of 2008.

Happy Nomad on August 8, 2012 at 8:51 AM

August 29?

Akzed on August 8, 2012 at 8:46 AM

I didn’t get it, either. (Had to read it three times. Nuthin’.)

RedCrow on August 8, 2012 at 8:51 AM

I dint have a favorable opinion of Romney or Obama. But in the end I’ll hold my nose and vote for the douche bag Romney – depending on how the establishment treats Ron Paul. Romney’s supreme court picks will be less horrible compared to Obama I guess. But other than that, these crooks are pretty much the same welfare/warfare/debt.

MoreLiberty on August 8, 2012 at 8:51 AM

did you mean “three months” in your last paragraph ed.

ted c on August 8, 2012 at 8:52 AM

OT:

Why all the coverage of the Texas primaries last week and zero of Missouri’s last night?
McCaskill’s opponent has been chosen (it wasn’t Palin’s choice) and Russ Carnahan (“Obama’s health care plan will actually result in a surplus” at the town hall where he got laughed at by the audience and was the first viral town hall video) got tossed from politics last night.

Marcus on August 8, 2012 at 8:53 AM

By registered voters does that mean the illegal immigrants, the dead Democrats, or the dogs and cats that have received the paperwork to fill out to vote? The Chicago way——-f*** the Chicago way………..

angrymike on August 8, 2012 at 8:53 AM

August 29?

Akzed on August 8, 2012 at 8:46 AM

Romney will become the nominee and will be able to start spending the General election money he has been collecting since his opposition dropped out.

0bama wasn’t challenged for the dem nomination and can spend all his money now.

cozmo on August 8, 2012 at 8:54 AM

Although 40 percent of voters now say they hold a favorable opinion of the former Massachusetts governor — virtually unchanged from May — those holding negative views of him ticked higher in the new survey, from 45 percent to 49 percent.

LOL, I thought Romney was going to be basking in crucial indie and moderate love by now.

If his favorability has “plateaued”, forget about it.

ddrintn on August 8, 2012 at 8:54 AM

Are “weeks” and “months” now synonyms?

hillsoftx on August 8, 2012 at 8:54 AM

I didn’t get it, either. (Had to read it three times. Nuthin’.)

RedCrow on August 8, 2012 at 8:51 AM

Three months.

VegasRick on August 8, 2012 at 8:54 AM

August 29?

Akzed on August 8, 2012 at 8:46 AM

Maybe Ed’s saying that the VP pick will deliver such a great speech at the convention that that will register a knockout punch.

Doughboy on August 8, 2012 at 8:54 AM

August 29?

Akzed on August 8, 2012 at 8:46 AM

Post RNC convention, when Romney officially becomes the nominee and he’s then freed up to use the cash advantage he’s been building over Team Obama on ads, in the same way Barck’s people have been carpet-bombing the swing states for the past few months.

jon1979 on August 8, 2012 at 8:54 AM

We’re gonna lose this – and that means the country is lost – unless Romney’s team starts fighting back in a serious way.

We’ve seen that Obama’s people will do or say anything – and I’m starting to wonder if Romney has the stomach for this fight. What a tragedy for this nation :(

TarheelBen on August 8, 2012 at 8:55 AM

I’m sure those negative attack ads and lies are doing wonders for maintaining O’s likeability…..

ted c on August 8, 2012 at 8:55 AM

Romney will become the nominee and will be able to start spending the General election money he has been collecting since his opposition dropped out.

0bama wasn’t challenged for the dem nomination and can spend all his money now.

cozmo on August 8, 2012 at 8:54 AM

What’s Romney going to do, get a charisma transplant with all that money? Obama sucks. We get it. No amount of negative ads from Romney is going to make any difference. That game only works against the likes of Newt Gingrich.

ddrintn on August 8, 2012 at 8:56 AM

We’re gonna lose this – and that means the country is lost – unless Romney’s team starts fighting back in a serious way.

We’ve seen that Obama’s people will do or say anything – and I’m starting to wonder if Romney has the stomach for this fight. What a tragedy for this nation :(

TarheelBen on August 8, 2012 at 8:55 AM

It’s not a question of “fighting back”. It’s a question of giving people a reason to vote for Romney beyond “the other guy’s worse”.

ddrintn on August 8, 2012 at 8:57 AM

ddrintn on August 8, 2012 at 8:56 AM

That made no sense except to allow you to restart your old, tired ABR nonsense.

cozmo on August 8, 2012 at 8:57 AM

LOL, I thought Romney was going to be basking in crucial indie and moderate love by now.

If his favorability has “plateaued”, forget about it.

ddrintn on August 8, 2012 at 8:54 AM

It’s plateaued because there’s not much he can do right now to counter all the smears from the Democrat/media complex and frankly we’re still not at the point where people are really paying attention. In the next few weeks, Romney will unveil his VP selection, deliver his acceptance speech at the convention, and start to spend that $170 million in cash he has on hand. He’ll get a huge boost from all of that.

Doughboy on August 8, 2012 at 8:57 AM

0bama wasn’t challenged for the dem nomination and can spend all his money now.

cozmo on August 8, 2012 at 8:54 AM

Thanks. (Also to those who answered after you.)

Still,

Team Obama still hasn’t scored a knockout, and they’re three weeks away from getting seriously outpunched in the general election.

…dunno. Gonna have some more coffee.

RedCrow on August 8, 2012 at 8:58 AM

LOL, I thought Romney was going to be basking in crucial indie and moderate love by now.

If his favorability has “plateaued”, forget about it.

ddrintn on August 8, 2012 at 8:54 AM

This election isn’t going to be about Romney. They’re trying to make it about Romney, but in the end Obama’s soft support is going to be a no-show.

forest on August 8, 2012 at 8:58 AM

ABC/WaPo poll included no internals, would that be another +14 Dem sample?

CBS/NYT/Quinnipiac of swing states from today

Virginia: Obama 49, Romney 45 Obama +4
Colorado: Obama 45, Romney 50 Romney +5
Wisconsin: Obama 51, Romney 45 Obama +6

Party breakdown is

CO
R 32 D 27 I 37
R +5

VA
R 23 D 30 I 40
D +7

WI
R 27 D 34 I 33
D +7

There is an oversampling for Republicans in CO, but basically, the poll says it is very close in all 3 states.

bayview on August 8, 2012 at 8:58 AM

I’m sure those negative attack ads and lies are doing wonders for maintaining O’s likeability…..

ted c on August 8, 2012 at 8:55 AM

It’s the first quarter and team obambi is throwing Hail Mary’s everytime they have the ball. I like our chances.

VegasRick on August 8, 2012 at 8:59 AM

Patience…wait until the conventions, the GOP VP pick, the debates…the Romney advertising…

Romney is still working under Primary election rules…

albill on August 8, 2012 at 8:59 AM

This election isn’t going to be about Romney. They’re trying to make it about Romney, but in the end Obama’s soft support is going to be a no-show.

forest on August 8, 2012 at 8:58 AM

If it’s not going to be about Romney, and if the only thing you think is going to save Romney is a depressed Dem turnout, you have lost.

ddrintn on August 8, 2012 at 8:59 AM

We’ve seen that Obama’s people will do or say anything – and I’m starting to wonder if Romney has the stomach for this fight. What a tragedy for this nation :(

TarheelBen on August 8, 2012 at 8:55 AM

Hard to get your message out when you’ve got a media intent on re-electing the jug-eared Kenyan. Yesterday’s CNN report on the fact that Romney didn’t, in fact, kill that douchebag’s wife was a rare enough occurance to be noteable. Actually the claim was so over the top that the leftist media had no choice but to refute the ad.

Happy Nomad on August 8, 2012 at 9:00 AM

Patience…wait until the conventions, the GOP VP pick, the debates…the Romney advertising…

Romney is still working under Primary election rules…

albill on August 8, 2012 at 8:59 AM

Right, and in February it was “patience…wait until Romney doesn’t have top worry about defeating GOP primary rivals…”

ddrintn on August 8, 2012 at 9:01 AM

How the Fluke do people still like Obama? I’m losing faith in my fellow countrymen.

We’re doomed if this man is re-elected.

Doomed.

Defenestratus on August 8, 2012 at 9:01 AM

JUST WAIT ’til after the convention…we’ll show them then!!!!
I hope…but I doubt it. Yes Romney runs an effective ad occasionally but not often. This week he was called a murderer and did SQUAT.
I fear what you see is what you get…

winston on August 8, 2012 at 9:01 AM

ROMNEY MUST DO BETTER.

Until Obama is underwater on even the most insane polling samples there is cause for concern.

The economic destroyer is 6 points up in the PPP poll in Colorado this morning.


FIGHT MITT, FIGHT.

(or just rollover and just admit you’re losing on purpose like McCain did in 2008).

PappyD61 on August 8, 2012 at 9:02 AM

Voters lie to pollsters. Pollsters manipulate results to enhance their income.

meci on August 8, 2012 at 8:49 AM

Then how do they seem to be right all the time? I am really growing disheartened at how commenters are willing to dismiss bad news.

What would it take to convince some of you that this race can be lost?

ChrisL on August 8, 2012 at 9:02 AM

Bad news, too, in the new Quinnipiac/NYT state polls in WI (which I’ve always said was out of play), Virginia and Colorado.

gumbyandpokey on August 8, 2012 at 9:03 AM

The “likability” nonsense is ALL barack has in his arsenal. This is it, all there is. That is GOOD NEWS for Romney. By continuing to do these silly likability polls, the media arm of the barack campaign is showing the campaign’s cards. Likability is all the little fella has left, and it’s hanging by a thread. Carpet bomb his ass with ads after the convention, poke a stick in his eye at the debates, and it all comes crashing down. The obama “Romney gave my wife cancer” ad is turning into a DISASTER for barack, as is dirty harry’s slander, they are backpedaling everywhere. Likability is all he’s got left, and it won’t be enough.

Rational Thought on August 8, 2012 at 9:03 AM

ABC/WaPo poll included no internals, would that be another +14 Dem sample?

CBS/NYT/Quinnipiac of swing states from today

Virginia: Obama 49, Romney 45 Obama +4
Colorado: Obama 45, Romney 50 Romney +5
Wisconsin: Obama 51, Romney 45 Obama +6

Party breakdown is

CO
R 32 D 27 I 37
R +5

VA
R 23 D 30 I 40
D +7

WI
R 27 D 34 I 33
D +7

There is an oversampling for Republicans in CO, but basically, the poll says it is very close in all 3 states.

bayview on August 8, 2012 at 8:58 AM

Huh? That Colorado sample looks a little too favorable for the GOP while Virginia and Wisconsin….well, someone will have to help me out on those. Is Virginia really a D+7 state? I fail to see how McDonnell would’ve won the governor’s race by nearly 18 points back in 2009 under those circumstances(unless he absolutely dominated with independents). And as for Wisconsin, I know the state leans blue, but D+7 seems a little hard to believe there as well considering what Walker’s pulled off twice.

Doughboy on August 8, 2012 at 9:03 AM

I really don’t understand the wailing and gnashing of teeth, Obama is vulnerable, the past 3 years have seen GOP wins that would be described as groundbreaking, the base is fired up to vote, Democrats have dropped any pretense of deceny, and Romney is essentially even with the President who was going make the “Oceans Recede”. Chill out people.

rob verdi on August 8, 2012 at 9:03 AM

Obama is such an economic disasater that if…..

….the pathetic gop was doing it’s job and had someone that could get through the noise Obama would be 10 points behind in every freaking poll.


Message to gop………..you suck.

PappyD61 on August 8, 2012 at 9:03 AM

If it’s not going to be about Romney, and if the only thing you think is going to save Romney is a depressed Dem turnout, you have lost.

ddrintn on August 8, 2012 at 8:59 AM

Sorry but almost four years of dismal failure is going to do more than depress a bunch of commies who probably don’t pay taxes in the first place, have never held a decent job, and rejoice everytime Obama tells them what free stuff they are going to get (as if the US government is an extended version of Oprah or something).

Happy Nomad on August 8, 2012 at 9:03 AM

The economic destroyer is 6 points up in the PPP poll in Colorado this morning.

FIGHT MITT, FIGHT.
(or just rollover and just admit you’re losing on purpose like McCain did in 2008).

PappyD61 on August 8, 2012 at 9:02 AM

Romney seems to be slipping in the overall RCP average as well. I think it began when he punted on the Chick-fil-A issue.

ddrintn on August 8, 2012 at 9:04 AM

…dunno. Gonna have some more coffee.

RedCrow on August 8, 2012 at 8:58 AM

Relax with that coffee. Kick back, put your feet up and enjoy the silliness. Olympics are going on, kids are out of school, August recess is keeping most congress critters out of the news,, pennant races are getting exciting, training camps are opening and lots of other things to do that are keeping Joe Sixpack minds off the bad economy.

Labor day is the traditional kickoff for the general. Except for political junkies and the folks chomping at the bit to vote 0bama out. Time is running short for the rabid ABR’s, and they know it.

cozmo on August 8, 2012 at 9:04 AM

This election isn’t going to be about Romney. They’re trying to make it about Romney, but in the end Obama’s soft support is going to be a no-show.

forest on August 8, 2012 at 8:58 AM

Never assume Obama can’t pull out some legislative (read: “Executive Order”) viagra to stiffen his support.

swinia sutki on August 8, 2012 at 9:04 AM

LOL, I thought Romney was going to be basking in crucial indie and moderate love by now.

If his favorability has “plateaued”, forget about it.

ddrintn on August 8, 2012 at 8:54 AM

Look, I normally enjoy seeing Palin-fans hate on Romney, its a good sign that maybe y’all will stay home this November. But come the frack on. Any of the other candidates, Gingrich, Santorum or even Palin would be absolutely sunk at this point. You think Obama went in on Romney’s Bain record? Please. Can you *imagine* what he’d be doing with Santorum’s statements that homosexuality is the same as bestaility or pedophilia, what he’d be doing with Newt Gingrich’s affairs and other weird statements and what he’d be doing with the Palin-reality show empire? It wouldn’t. be. pretty. Mitt Romney was the only candidate who actually ran for office who has a chance of beating the President (which is why I started out this campaign pretty nervous, though things are looking up). You really need to just get over it. However far behind Romney is now, everyone else would be two times as far back.

libfreeordie on August 8, 2012 at 9:06 AM

Sorry but almost four years of dismal failure is going to do more than depress a bunch of commies who probably don’t pay taxes in the first place, have never held a decent job, and rejoice everytime Obama tells them what free stuff they are going to get (as if the US government is an extended version of Oprah or something).

Happy Nomad on August 8, 2012 at 9:03 AM

If that were true there would be more polls reflecting it.

ddrintn on August 8, 2012 at 9:06 AM

Is Virginia really a D+7 state?

It was D+6 in 2008.

Jon0815 on August 8, 2012 at 9:06 AM

Doughboy on August 8, 2012 at 9:03 AM

Virginia has a large black population who will vote for Obama no matter what. It has a bunch of liberals in Northern Virginia (we call them carpetbaggers). Plus lots of illegals and other “immigrants.” I think plus 8 is off but it will be a close one with the sequestration of all those government contractors a possible game changer.

Happy Nomad on August 8, 2012 at 9:06 AM

Right, and in February it was “patience…wait until Romney doesn’t have top worry about defeating GOP primary rivals…”

ddrintn on August 8, 2012 at 9:01 AM

Stop whining for once.

wargamer6 on August 8, 2012 at 9:07 AM

Romney seems to be slipping in the overall RCP average as well.
ddrintn on August 8, 2012 at 9:04 AM

That is from inclusions of some garbage polls in the averaging. But if false math gives you thrills, knock yourself out.

bayview on August 8, 2012 at 9:08 AM

libfreeordie on August 8, 2012 at 9:06 AM

We’re not staying home, perfesser. This little socialist experiment is over. Your anti-American President needs to tell Mooch to start packing up the warddrobe she bought with our money right now.

kingsjester on August 8, 2012 at 9:08 AM

The obama “Romney gave my wife cancer” ad is turning into a DISASTER for barack, as is dirty harry’s slander…

Rational Thought on August 8, 2012 at 9:03 AM

What “disaster”? Obama leads by 3.5 in the RCP average.

ddrintn on August 8, 2012 at 9:08 AM

Yawn! another poll.

gerry-mittbot-eyes glazing over

gerrym51 on August 8, 2012 at 9:09 AM

How the Fluke do people still like Obama? I’m losing faith in my fellow countrymen.

We’re doomed if this man is re-elected.

Doomed.

Defenestratus on August 8, 2012 at 9:01 AM

Two reasons. First, he’s black and people are still too afraid to say anything negative about him(at least on a personal basis). And secondly, how bad can his likeability be when he has the media acting as his PR firm for over 4 years running?

Doughboy on August 8, 2012 at 9:10 AM

“Romney is essentially even with the President who was going make the “Oceans Recede”. Chill out people.”

No, Romney is not “essentially even.”

gumbyandpokey on August 8, 2012 at 9:10 AM

Stop whining for once.

wargamer6 on August 8, 2012 at 9:07 AM

Ha…good luck. It doesn’t know how to do anything else.

How anyone can hold a favorable opinion of Obama is beyond me, but it’s clear the fact Romney can’t spend his money until he’s the actual nominee has hurt him a little.

changer1701 on August 8, 2012 at 9:10 AM

“The obama “Romney gave my wife cancer” ad is turning into a DISASTER for barack, as is dirty harry’s slander…”

What evidence do you have that the attacks are a “disaster” for Obama? His rising poll numbers? Romney’s falling poll numbers?

gumbyandpokey on August 8, 2012 at 9:11 AM

really don’t understand the wailing and gnashing of teeth, Obama is vulnerable, the past 3 years have seen GOP wins that would be described as groundbreaking, the base is fired up to vote, Democrats have dropped any pretense of deceny, and Romney is essentially even with the President who was going make the “Oceans Recede”. Chill out people.

rob verdi on August 8, 2012 at 9:03 AM

I agree. I would much prefer us heading into November with the O-bots thinking barack has it in the bag, so, you know, they don’t really need to put the bong down and go vote. As it gets close to election day, we’re going to see barack begging his voters to show up at the polls, which will tell us what their internal polls really tell them. He’ll be on his knees, begging and pleading. As I wrote earlier, I live in a basically socialist town in a deep blue state, and Obama’s campaign CAME TO MY DOOR to make sure my college-age kid would be showing up to vote for barack. She’s showing up, all right, but she won’t be voting for barack!

Rational Thought on August 8, 2012 at 9:11 AM

Virginia has a large black population who will vote for Obama no matter what. It has a bunch of liberals in Northern Virginia (we call them carpetbaggers). Plus lots of illegals and other “immigrants.” I think plus 8 is off but it will be a close one with the sequestration of all those government contractors a possible game changer.

Happy Nomad on August 8, 2012 at 9:06 AM

Then how did McDonnell win by 18 points back in 2009? It may not have been the Presidential election, but the governor’s race is fairly high profile and the Dems got absolutely crushed.

Doughboy on August 8, 2012 at 9:11 AM

PPP on the other hand….

HotAirian on August 8, 2012 at 8:47 AM

Yes. That CO result is upsetting.

earlgrey133 on August 8, 2012 at 9:11 AM

Right, and in February it was “patience…wait until Romney doesn’t have top worry about defeating GOP primary rivals…”

ddrintn on August 8, 2012 at 9:01 AM

Stop whining for once.

wargamer6 on August 8, 2012 at 9:07 AM

“Whining”? That’s the ‘bot preserve. (“Bad sample!!!! Lying to pollsterzzzzzzz!!!!!!”) I’m just pointing out what was said.

Romney seems to be slipping in the overall RCP average as well.
ddrintn on August 8, 2012 at 9:04 AM

That is from inclusions of some garbage polls in the averaging. But if false math gives you thrills, knock yourself out.

bayview on August 8, 2012 at 9:08 AM

LOL, anything not showing Romney in the lead or at least poised to take the lead is a “garbage poll”. Strange how Romney supporters weren’t all that finicky about polls when they were used as gospel truth evidence of Mitt’s ultra-electability.

ddrintn on August 8, 2012 at 9:12 AM

Sort of OT ~ I hope Romney picks a good VP and hires a better ad agency/graphic design team to redo his logo. I keep getting wimpy ribbony “R”-omney bumper stickers in the fundraising mailers and there is no way I’d put one of those ugly things on my car, even if I liked Romney.

C’mon, spend some money Mitt and get a good strong logo. Rant over…

Fallon on August 8, 2012 at 9:12 AM

Yawn! another poll.

gerry-mittbot-eyes glazing over

gerrym51 on August 8, 2012 at 9:09 AM

With about 90 days left HA has plenty of room and time for 222,000 more.

Limerick on August 8, 2012 at 9:12 AM

“The obama “Romney gave my wife cancer” ad is turning into a DISASTER for barack, as is dirty harry’s slander…”

What evidence do you have that the attacks are a “disaster” for Obama? His rising poll numbers? Romney’s falling poll numbers?

gumbyandpokey on August 8, 2012 at 9:11 AM

The fact that your trolling is becoming more desperate and laughable with each passing day.

Doughboy on August 8, 2012 at 9:12 AM

Shouldn’t “You Didn’t Build That” have hurt the President by now if it was going to?

libfreeordie on August 8, 2012 at 9:13 AM

Romney seems handcuffed until the convention.

One thing Newt did well during primary was bash the media. The media is allowing Obama et al. to get away with murder. I think Romney should huddle with Newt, Santorum, Palin, and any others who know how to go for the jugular and start bashing Obama for the Reid nonsense, the Bain nonsense, the Romney-kills-steelworkers’-wives nonsense. Romney needs a response without having to tie himself and his closer surrogates with that response. Sununu isn’t bad, but we need some serious bashing. I’d argue that the GOP needs a fullcourt press on Obama so that he’s challenged on every issue ALL THE TIME. Suck up the oxygen so that all the low information people hear about is unemployment rates, no budgets, no plans for entitlement reform, Keystone pipeling, gutting welfare reform, Fast & Furious, the list is endless.

BuckeyeSam on August 8, 2012 at 9:14 AM

Let’s face it, Obama is successfully defining Romney now and no amount of ads in September and October are going to rehabilitate his image. I’ll be surprised if Romney can turn it around but it’s looking less and less likely.

RedRedRice on August 8, 2012 at 9:15 AM

I’m sure those negative attack ads and lies are doing wonders for maintaining O’s likeability…..

ted c on August 8, 2012 at 8:55 AM

A new dog is kind of fun for a while, but in the end one eventually tires of it running around in circles barking and crapping on the living room floor……..

Tenwheeler on August 8, 2012 at 9:16 AM

“Whining”? That’s the ‘bot preserve. (“Bad sample!!!! Lying to pollsterzzzzzzz!!!!!!”) I’m just pointing out what was said.

Romney seems to be slipping in the overall RCP average as well.
ddrintn on August 8, 2012 at 9:04 AM

That is from inclusions of some garbage polls in the averaging. But if false math gives you thrills, knock yourself out.

bayview on August 8, 2012 at 9:08 AM

LOL, anything not showing Romney in the lead or at least poised to take the lead is a “garbage poll”. Strange how Romney supporters weren’t all that finicky about polls when they were used as gospel truth evidence of Mitt’s ultra-electability.

Bot preserve? All you’ve been doing for months is moaning and whining.

wargamer6 on August 8, 2012 at 9:16 AM

LOL, anything not showing Romney in the lead or at least poised to take the lead is a “garbage poll”. Strange how Romney supporters weren’t all that finicky about polls when they were used as gospel truth evidence of Mitt’s ultra-electability.

ddrintn on August 8, 2012 at 9:12 AM

Your trolling is getting more and more pathetic. Your Chosen One didn’t run…get over it already.

changer1701 on August 8, 2012 at 9:16 AM

“The fact that your trolling is becoming more desperate and laughable with each passing day.”

And you guys trying to ignore disastrous poll after disastrous poll is even more laughable.

What happened to the “you didn’t build that” attack? That idiotic remark hasn’t hurt Obama AT ALL. He’s only gained ground since then.

This is truly Bob Dole 96 all over again when he was defined in the summer and didn’t fight back and an image was created in the public’s mind and it would not change.

gumbyandpokey on August 8, 2012 at 9:17 AM

ddrintn on August 8, 2012 at 9:12 AM

No, a poll that polled RV and has a +14 oversample for Dem is garbage, that is something that anyone other than a dishonest Palinasta with an agenda would admit.

bayview on August 8, 2012 at 9:17 AM

It was D+6 in 2008.

Jon0815 on August 8, 2012 at 9:06 AM

And in 2010?

BuckeyeSam on August 8, 2012 at 9:18 AM

Let’s face it, Obama is successfully defining Romney now and no amount of ads in September and October are going to rehabilitate his image. I’ll be surprised if Romney can turn it around but it’s looking less and less likely.

RedRedRice on August 8, 2012 at 9:15 AM

Indeed, Romney’s cash advantage isn’t going to be able to translate into changed minds as much as people around here think. Is he going to come up with anything new about Obama? We’ve heard all the anti-Obama attacks. As much as the conservative blogosphere would like to pretend otherwise CNN and MSNBC viewers are privvy to conservative attacks (though on MSNBC they get a twisted version of them) and people who watch Fox, well they are the most familiar with them of all. There’s simply no where new for Romney to go, which is why he latched onto “You Didnt’ Build That.”

Btw, is Hot Air *ever* going to talk about the Tsx Policy Center’s review of Romney’s tax plan and the tax increases on the middle class therein? If Obama had released such a plan things around here would be hopping.

libfreeordie on August 8, 2012 at 9:18 AM

“The obama “Romney gave my wife cancer” ad is turning into a DISASTER for barack, as is dirty harry’s slander…”

What evidence do you have that the attacks are a “disaster” for Obama? His rising poll numbers? Romney’s falling poll numbers?

gumbyandpokey on August 8, 2012 at 9:11 AM

The fact that your trolling is becoming more desperate and laughable with each passing day.

Doughboy on August 8, 2012 at 9:12 AM

Calling the questioner a troll doesn’t remove the legitimacy of the question. What IS the evidence? The Romney campaign seems to be devolving into sitting around waiting to gain traction on this or that Obama gaffe.

ddrintn on August 8, 2012 at 9:18 AM

“Romney seems handcuffed until the convention.”

Romney could have actively defended himself even if he can’t use his funds instead of going jet skiing and going on his disastrous overseas trip.

And the PAC money spending could have been ramped up.

To think this was some sort of brilliant rope-a-dope is idiotic. Romney got knocked out taking punch after punch without responding.

This was the all too typically passive Republican campaign for President.

gumbyandpokey on August 8, 2012 at 9:21 AM

LOL, anything not showing Romney in the lead or at least poised to take the lead is a “garbage poll”. Strange how Romney supporters weren’t all that finicky about polls when they were used as gospel truth evidence of Mitt’s ultra-electability.

ddrintn on August 8, 2012 at 9:12 AM

Your trolling is getting more and more pathetic. ….

changer1701 on August 8, 2012 at 9:16 AM

Yeah, right. Anything other than “Romney’s kicking ASSSSSSSS!!!!!!! And he’s really leading every poll by eleventyone!!!1111!!!!” is “trolling” in ‘Bot World.

ddrintn on August 8, 2012 at 9:21 AM

With the media advantage barack has, the absurd democrat advantages they give him in their polls, he cannot get to 50%. That means more than 50% of American voters know this president, and more than 50% of American voters will not be voting for him. That means he loses.

Rational Thought on August 8, 2012 at 9:23 AM

Bot preserve? All you’ve been doing for months is moaning and whining.

wargamer6 on August 8, 2012 at 9:16 AM

“Whining”? I’ve been doing no such thing. I’ve been pointing out ‘bot idiocy and their carefully constructed chop-logic, and then step back to watch THEIR whining.

ddrintn on August 8, 2012 at 9:23 AM

With the media advantage barack has, the absurd democrat advantages they give him in their polls, he cannot get to 50%. That means more than 50% of American voters know this president, and more than 50% of American voters will not be voting for him. That means he loses.

Rational Thought on August 8, 2012 at 9:23 AM

On the other hand, we have Romney at 40% favorability.

ddrintn on August 8, 2012 at 9:25 AM

Look, I normally enjoy seeing Palin-fans hate on Romney, its a good sign that maybe y’all will stay home this November. But come the frack on. Any of the other candidates, Gingrich, Santorum or even Palin would be absolutely sunk at this point. You think Obama went in on Romney’s Bain record? Please. Can you *imagine* what he’d be doing with Santorum’s statements that homosexuality is the same as bestaility or pedophilia, what he’d be doing with Newt Gingrich’s affairs and other weird statements and what he’d be doing with the Palin-reality show empire? It wouldn’t. be. pretty. Mitt Romney was the only candidate who actually ran for office who has a chance of beating the President (which is why I started out this campaign pretty nervous, though things are looking up). You really need to just get over it. However far behind Romney is now, everyone else would be two times as far back.
libfreeordie on August 8, 2012 at 9:06 AM

Haha! The liberals don’t want you either, ddrintin!

Chuck Schick on August 8, 2012 at 9:26 AM

Romney needs to start countering this campaign soon.

farsighted on August 8, 2012 at 8:49 AM

How about using the words of a former (D) president, 2 current (D) senators, one a former presidential candidate, and the current VP against the boy king?

The Rise And Fall Of Welfare Reform

Not as “punch in the gut” as I’d like, but its a pretty good ad.

Flora Duh on August 8, 2012 at 9:27 AM

Yeah, right. Anything other than “Romney’s kicking ASSSSSSSS!!!!!!! And he’s really leading every poll by eleventyone!!!1111!!!!” is “trolling” in ‘Bot World.

ddrintn on August 8, 2012 at 9:21 AM

And dollars to donuts they’ll be whining about ‘biased polls’ from the ‘liberal media’ the next time an unfavorable one comes out. So not only are they whiners, they’re hypocrites with the IQ of a fencepost.

MelonCollie on August 8, 2012 at 9:27 AM

It’s a tag-team troll extravaganza in here this morning!!

taternuggets on August 8, 2012 at 9:27 AM

And you guys trying to ignore disastrous poll after disastrous poll is even more laughable.

What happened to the “you didn’t build that” attack? That idiotic remark hasn’t hurt Obama AT ALL. He’s only gained ground since then.

This is truly Bob Dole 96 all over again when he was defined in the summer and didn’t fight back and an image was created in the public’s mind and it would not change.

gumbyandpokey on August 8, 2012 at 9:17 AM

What disastrous polls? The ones that oversample Dems, often times by double digits? Find me a swing state or national poll that has an accurate sample of likely voters that shows Obama dominating Romney and then I’ll start to panic. Until you can provide one, you’re just trolling.

And enough with the Bob Dole comparison. You post the exact same thing in every thread. In case you were in a coma in 1996, the economy was roaring back to life, the world as at peace, the incumbent President was above 50% in popularity, and the GOP candidate was an old, tired, decrepit nominee. None of those are the case this time around. The economy sucks and has been that way for 3 1/2 years, the Middle East is in shambles and Iran’s on the verge of getting a nuke, Obama is below 50% in 37 states, and Romney while perhaps uninspiring is far better in interviews and on the stump than Bob Dole ever was.

So stop with the 1996 parallel. It’s a comparison that is in no way accurate.

Doughboy on August 8, 2012 at 9:28 AM

ddrintn on August 8, 2012 at 8:56 AM

That made no sense except to allow you to restart your old, tired ABR nonsense.

cozmo on August 8, 2012 at 8:57 AM

When you don’t have an answer, mumble some ad hominem or “that makes no sense”. Tired tactic.

Look, I normally enjoy seeing Palin-fans hate on Romney, its a good sign that maybe y’all will stay home this November. But come the frack on. Any of the other candidates, Gingrich, Santorum or even Palin would be absolutely sunk at this point. You think Obama went in on Romney’s Bain record? Please. Can you *imagine* what he’d be doing with Santorum’s statements that homosexuality is the same as bestaility or pedophilia, what he’d be doing with Newt Gingrich’s affairs and other weird statements and what he’d be doing with the Palin-reality show empire? It wouldn’t. be. pretty. Mitt Romney was the only candidate who actually ran for office who has a chance of beating the President (which is why I started out this campaign pretty nervous, though things are looking up). You really need to just get over it. However far behind Romney is now, everyone else would be two times as far back.
libfreeordie on August 8, 2012 at 9:06 AM

Haha! The liberals don’t want you either, ddrintin!

Chuck Schick on August 8, 2012 at 9:26 AM

I’ve never said Palin would win if she had run. I will say she’d be doing no worse than Romney, and that with having to run against the Dems AND the GOP. I couldn’t care less what libs think. Or ‘bots either, for that matter, though I repeat myself.

ddrintn on August 8, 2012 at 9:30 AM

Shouldn’t “You Didn’t Build That” have hurt the President by now if it was going to?

libfreeordie on August 8, 2012 at 9:13 AM

That phrase is like nails on a chalkboard to entrepreneurs and business owners. But, apparently, those on the dole agree with it ’cause Barry said to them they worked hard and were just as smart as those successful people. And, they ate it up. “Yeah, I’m a victim of their success.”

All The Woulda-Coulda-Shouldas
Layin’ In The Sun,
Talkin’ ‘Bout The Things
They Woulda-Coulda-Shoulda Done…

But All Those Woulda-Coulda-Shouldas
All Ran Away And Hid
From One Little Did.

~ Shel Silverstein

Fallon on August 8, 2012 at 9:30 AM

The obama “Romney gave my wife cancer” ad is turning into a DISASTER for barack, as is dirty harry’s slander…

Rational Thought on August 8, 2012 at 9:03 AM

Pretty bad when even the media calls it what it is.

Lapdog Media Calls Newest Obama Ad Lies

Flora Duh on August 8, 2012 at 9:31 AM

Yeah, right. Anything other than “Romney’s kicking ASSSSSSSS!!!!!!! And he’s really leading every poll by eleventyone!!!1111!!!!” is “trolling” in ‘Bot World.

ddrintn on August 8, 2012 at 9:21 AM

There’s nothing about your criticism that is constructive. You’re just a bitter ‘nista that simply cannot accept the fact that she wasn’t the nominee, so you’ve elected to dump on the person that will be at every opportunity. That’s trolling, and it makes you no different from the libs continuing to post here. Get over it already.

changer1701 on August 8, 2012 at 9:31 AM

Let’s face it, Obama is successfully defining Romney now and no amount of ads in September and October are going to rehabilitate his image. I’ll be surprised if Romney can turn it around but it’s looking less and less likely.

RedRedRice on August 8, 2012 at 9:15 AM

I don’t want to be that pessimistic, and I don’t give credit to Obama & Co. Rather, I’m getting tired of Romney’s fumbles. To be sure, his campaign doesn’t seem as inept as McCain’s, but Romney still does some inexplicably stupid stuff. For example, being critical of Britain was just stupid. Candor wasn’t needed in that instance. Why was Romney so squishy with Chick-fil-A? Obama has 3,700 black pastors joining together to rag on him about SSM, and Romney comes across as not much more forceful on the issue. On the tax returns, what’s the problem? Screw 10 years, but I can’t understand why he didn’t get this behind him months ago. Okay, he’s rich. What else? This way, he’s rich, and he’s hiding something. And while I thought Obama’s horse ad was childish, why in the heck did Romney enter that damn horse in the Olympics? All it did was reinforce the meme? I’ll bet Reagan Democrats love hearing how Romney drops more on that damn horse in a year than they make all year. As we asked with McCain, does Romney really want to win? I’m just reminded of the LaJolla car elevator. If you’re running for president and you’re loaded, do you have to build that thing during your campaign. These are all unforced errors.

It makes worry that he’ll conclude that Pawlenty is the VP candidate to put him over the top.

BuckeyeSam on August 8, 2012 at 9:32 AM

Romney could have actively defended himself even if he can’t use his funds instead of going jet skiing and going on his disastrous overseas trip.

And the PAC money spending could have been ramped up.

To think this was some sort of brilliant rope-a-dope is idiotic. Romney got knocked out taking punch after punch without responding.

This was the all too typically passive Republican campaign for President.

gumbyandpokey on August 8, 2012 at 9:21 AM

YUP! The saber rattling in Jerusalem didn’t help and adding Dan Senor to the team just makes it worse. The media had fun reintroducing the country to our former man in Baghdad and how Romney is being tugged around by the neoconservatives on foreign policy.

Romney should have came out swinging, kept the economy as the central theme, distanced himself from any and all associated with the Bush administration, and should have stayed home. Why he went overseas is beyond me and it obviously didn’t do anything to boost him in the latest polls. Add to that Barry and the media’s onslaught that is depicting Romney as cold, awkward, and greedy. Romney better step it up, start spending some $$$, and develop a personality that connects with voters.

I’m really starting to question if Romney is ready for prime time. :-(

Punchenko on August 8, 2012 at 9:32 AM

That phrase is like nails on a chalkboard to entrepreneurs and business owners. But, apparently, those on the dole agree with it ’cause Barry said to them they worked hard and were just as smart as those successful people.

Is your argument that the nation is divided between entrepeneurs and those “on the dole.” I think there are dozens of millions of non-owner employees who would disagree with you. But your contempt for the political beliefs of the employed is telling. Perhaps some of those voters aren’t responding to the ego-driven silliness of those entrepeneurs who are upset by Obama’s speech (assuming they heard the entire thing).

libfreeordie on August 8, 2012 at 9:33 AM

I’ve never said Palin would win if she had run. I will say she’d be doing no worse than Romney, and that with having to run against the Dems AND the GOP. I couldn’t care less what libs think. Or ‘bots either, for that matter, though I repeat myself.
ddrintn on August 8, 2012 at 9:30 AM

Do you want Romney or Obama to be your next president?

Chuck Schick on August 8, 2012 at 9:33 AM

Romney is going to have to be less an Elitist and more of a Populist, if he is going to get those poll numbers up. He does not have to sacrifice his dignity. Reagan didn’t. He should have stood with Americans on the Chick-Fil-A Aprreciation Day. Aloofness does not win elections.

kingsjester on August 8, 2012 at 9:35 AM

There’s nothing about your criticism that is constructive.

changer1701 on August 8, 2012 at 9:31 AM

There isn’t? “Romney has to give people a reason to vote for him” isn’t constructive, but yet sitting around in a ‘bot self-delusional haze saying that Romney’s really in the lead and you just wait til he pours on the fire against Obama in March April July after Labor Day October is.

ddrintn on August 8, 2012 at 9:36 AM

Who are these people?

obsessedinga on August 8, 2012 at 9:36 AM

How sad that the meme of Ed’s post is: Well, Romney hasn’t been knocked out yet.

Well, hip hip hooray.

We got the biggest disaster of a president in my lifetime (I am 45) and we are supposed to be jacked and pumped that Romney is still in the game.

If we had another candidate who fought the Chicago thug and his corrupt media allies s/he would be up 10 points.

kevinkristy on August 8, 2012 at 9:37 AM

Romney is going to have to be less an Elitist and more of a Populist, if he is going to get those poll numbers up.

kingsjester on August 8, 2012 at 9:35 AM

Forget it. You’re asking and expecting Romney to be someone other than the GOPe favorite, expecting Romney to be someone other than Romney. Too late.

ddrintn on August 8, 2012 at 9:38 AM

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