Did Obama admin officials lie to Congress about Delphi pension termination?

posted at 10:01 am on August 7, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

I don’t know about you, but I’m beginning to detect a pattern from the Obama administration.  When called to testify before Congress, executive branch officials say, “No, no, no” … but their e-mails later say, “Yes, yes, yes“:

Emails obtained by The Daily Caller show that the U.S. Treasury Department, led by Timothy Geithner, was the driving force behind terminating the pensions of 20,000 salaried retirees at the Delphi auto parts manufacturing company.

The move, made in 2009 while the Obama administration implemented its auto bailout plan, appears to have been made solely because those retirees were not members of labor unions.

The internal government emails contradict sworn testimony, in federal court and before Congress, given by several Obama administration figures. They also indicate that the administration misled lawmakers and the courts about the sequence of events surrounding the termination of those non-union pensions, and that administration figures violated federal law.

Read through all of The DC’s report, but the key e-mail exchanges appear to be those between Pension Benefit Guaranty Corporation staffers Joseph House, Karen Morris, and Michael Rae.  The PBGC has the only statutory authority to close down a pension fund, and Obama administration officials have repeatedly claimed that the PBGC made the Delphi decision on the non-union pension independently.  However, the meeting called to determine the status of that pension didn’t include PBGC officials — who got disinvited from the event:

Morris had written earlier that day that the PBGC team would “probably get invited to the Monday meeting at tomorrow’s meeting,” and that the Monday meeting would involve “talks” on the GM and Delphi portions of the bailout plan. Those strategies, she wrote, including “pension issues,” would be “kicking off” that Monday.

But after the Friday meeting, House emailed PBGC staffers Karen Morris and John Menke. “We’ve been disinvited,” he wrote. “It’s for the best.”

“Who uninvited us?” Morris replied.

“Treasury,” House responded.

Treasury official Matt Feldman then starts coming into the picture as “a facilitator” of the Deplhi decision, to us the DC’s characterization:

In another series of emails between PBGC’s John Menke and Karen Morris, Feldman — an Obama administration official — emerges as the facilitator of the Delphi pension termination. Menke wrote of the need to obtain a “rubber stamp” from Treasury Department officials before the cutoff was finalized, and from others who were supposed to be excluded from the decision-making process.

Menke emailed Morris on July 14, 2009, laying out details of the final deal that was to deny 20,000 non-union Delphi workers most of hteir pension benefits.

“Terry [Deneen], Joe [House] and Greenhill seem inclined to tell Feldman that this does it for us,” Menke wrote. “Terry is taking it up to Board reps meeting this afternoon and expecting to get a head nod, which he will then have Greenhill convey to Treasury.”

Very obviously, Treasury was at least involved in the decision-making, if not the ultimate decider of the Delphi pension termination.  A Treasury spokesman insisted to the DC that the PBGC made the decision on its own, but it looks pretty clear that the PBGC was at least coordinating efforts with the Obama administration.  To the extent that any officials testified differently, we may be seeing more subpoenas and Congressional hearings in the near future.  One question in particular will be why the PBGC terminated the non-union pension while taxpayers absorbed the union pension obligations, and whether that outcome was coordinated all along by the White House.


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The question, “Did Obooba Administration lie…” may always be answered yes with great confidence.

Akzed on August 7, 2012 at 10:03 AM

Is the Pope Catholic?

You’d find it much easier to count if you highlight the number of truthful statements this administration has made. You will probably only need one hand.

iamsaved on August 7, 2012 at 10:04 AM

I don’t know about you, but I’m beginning to detect a pattern from the Obama administration.

You’re about 3.5 years late to the party.

The Rogue Tomato on August 7, 2012 at 10:05 AM

One question in particular will be why the PBGC terminated the non-union pension while taxpayers absorbed the union pension obligations, and whether that outcome was coordinated all along by the White House.

Like we don’t know the answer to that question already? Just ask the Chrysler bondholders and Boeing if you’ve developed amnesia.

Doughboy on August 7, 2012 at 10:06 AM

Did Obama admin officials lie to Congress about Delphi pension termination?

Yes.

Flora Duh on August 7, 2012 at 10:07 AM

Unless Romney’s willing to smack Obama with this, it won’t effect undecideds.

Romney has to say Obama authorized the killing of 20,000 non-union pensions and for the public to pay for the union ones.

Anything more complicated, forget it.

budfox on August 7, 2012 at 10:08 AM

Story sure smells like perjury, grand jury, charges, trial, and prison for some administration folks. Screwed bond holders will be next to sue if they haven’t already.

Amazingoly on August 7, 2012 at 10:09 AM

One question in particular will be why the PBGC terminated the non-union pension while taxpayers absorbed the union pension obligations, and whether that outcome was coordinated all along by the White House.

Gee, wonder why the Obama administration would choose to reward union members (with taxpayer money) and screw over non-union members?

Hmmmmmmmmm. Quite a mystery there.\

AZCoyote on August 7, 2012 at 10:10 AM

Ed, if you’re going to continue writing headlines like this you really need to add a comics page.

antipc on August 7, 2012 at 10:11 AM

Wait, am I to understand that someone from The Most Transparent Administration Ever said something that was not 100% truthful?

I am shocked. Shocked I tells ya. So shocked that you can knock me over with a 16 ton weight.

Wake me when someone from this regime tells the truth. Now that would be news.

rbj on August 7, 2012 at 10:11 AM

Did Obama admin officials lie to Congress about Delphi pension termination?

Oh hell, YES! And let’s remember that the e-mails contradict sworn testimony. Meaning Obama officials lied to Congress. Scooter Libby went to jail for less. The 20,000 non-union people who lost their pensions deserve an investigation and a full explanation.

Happy Nomad on August 7, 2012 at 10:12 AM

“Who uninvited us?” Morris replied.

“Treasury,” House responded.

uh oh.

ted c on August 7, 2012 at 10:12 AM

Did anyone’s wife die after these people lost out?

Man, sometimes I have a hard time really thinking about all the trash, criminality and outright treason emanating from this administration. In all seriousness, I wonder if German citizens had the same uneasy feeling as Hitler began his rise to power, as if they somehow knew that a shiitstorm was coming but just couldn’t quite define it.

Bishop on August 7, 2012 at 10:12 AM

What I can’t understand is how the Obama administration was just willing to cut-off those 20,000 people with the blink of an eye. I mean Obama is all about having everyone depend on government. Did they make some kind of assumption that all 20,000 were Republicans?

Bitter Clinger on August 7, 2012 at 10:12 AM

The Romney camp should find out how many of those 20,000 later got cancer and died because of President Obama and Timothy Geithner.

Let’s face it, a vote for Obama and Obamacare means immortality. Stop the hate.

Borgcube on August 7, 2012 at 10:13 AM

Rotten bastadges.

waterytart on August 7, 2012 at 10:13 AM

This is what happens when the govt gets involved in anything. The PBGC was created by the feds for this very purpose, to take over if a pension fund didn’t pay out. My husband gets a check every month from them for the very first job he ever had. They tracked us down and kept sending letters for several years, telling us we were entitled to this benefit, before I figured out they wanted to send us money each month. I’d never heard of this bunch. For some reason, Prezzy Can’t Let GM Fail, wanted to exact some punishment on the management at GM.

Kissmygrits on August 7, 2012 at 10:13 AM

Punish your enemies. (Non-union workers = enemies.) Then lie about it.

Scum of the earth.

petefrt on August 7, 2012 at 10:13 AM

Fabulous photo. The midget tax cheat and Tuten Dog Ramen staring down imperiously.

CorporatePiggy on August 7, 2012 at 10:14 AM

I know people here in central Indiana who lost these pensions.

esr1951 on August 7, 2012 at 10:16 AM

Y’all recall when I surmised way back that Obama lied to get a grant as a foreign student?

http://www.theblaze.com/contributions/obama’s-college-classmate-the-obama-scandal-is-at-columbia/

Obama is a liar and he is surrounded by like minded people. Those 20,000 former Delphi employees ought to be able to take everything these folks in his administration that were involved in this have.

Pound him Mitt. Take off the gloves and pound him. Geithner is an admitted tax cheat and needs to be exposed as a thief of felony proportions.

DanMan on August 7, 2012 at 10:16 AM

Unless Romney’s willing to smack Obama with this, it won’t effect undecideds.

Romney has to say Obama authorized the killing of 20,000 non-union pensions and for the public to pay for the union ones.

Anything more complicated, forget it.

budfox on August 7, 2012 at 10:08 AM

This

SteveInRTP on August 7, 2012 at 10:17 AM

Can the Romney camp find a few of the 20,000 that would swear the loss of their pension made them destitute? The ad would write itself. The Obama campaign would do it even if it wasn’t true.

dirtseller on August 7, 2012 at 10:17 AM

I understand there are penalties for lying under oath in front of congress…if you are a Republican.

right2bright on August 7, 2012 at 10:18 AM

This could be a game-changer in Ohio, where most of those Delphi employees and retirees live.

rockmom on August 7, 2012 at 10:18 AM

Romney has to say Obama authorized the killing of 20,000 non-union pensions and for the public to pay for the union ones.

Anything more complicated, forget it.

budfox on August 7, 2012 at 10:08 AM

Obama killed 20,000 non-union pensions through the PBGC and hundreds of Mexicans through Operation Fast and Furious. Obama has killed millions of jobs and driven millions out of the workforce. Romney has plenty of material to indict Obama during the debates and general campaign.

Happy Nomad on August 7, 2012 at 10:18 AM

One question in particular will be why the PBGC terminated the non-union pension while taxpayers absorbed the union pension obligations, and whether that outcome was coordinated all along by the White House.

We all know the answer to that. All the quid pro quo that’s going on in this administration and we think this is going to be any different? Reward your allies, punish your enemies. That’s been his stance his entire life.

ButterflyDragon on August 7, 2012 at 10:19 AM

I wonder if German citizens had the same uneasy feeling as Hitler began his rise to power, as if they somehow knew that a shiitstorm was coming but just couldn’t quite define it.
 
Bishop on August 7, 2012 at 10:12 AM

 

And, let’s be honest – we ALL knew Obama was for gay marriage the whole time! That’s why we were giving him a pass.
 
Forward ’12
 
inthemiddle on August 6, 2012 at 5:18 PM

rogerb on August 7, 2012 at 10:19 AM

Q: Did obama admin officials lie to Congress about (fill in the blank) ______________ ?

A: Yes

Pork-Chop on August 7, 2012 at 10:19 AM

Did they make some kind of assumption that all 20,000 were Republicans?

Bitter Clinger on August 7, 2012 at 10:12 AM

Punish the non-union workers…it was a message.

Join the union, or get nothing…

right2bright on August 7, 2012 at 10:19 AM

Can the Romney camp find a few of the 20,000 that would swear the loss of their pension made them destitute? The ad would write itself. The Obama campaign would do it even if it wasn’t true.

dirtseller on August 7, 2012 at 10:17 AM

I know I saw a few blog posts and news articles at the time about some of the Delphi folks who got shafted. It should not be that hard to find a few of them to put in an ad.

rockmom on August 7, 2012 at 10:19 AM

I feel a both parties coming on.

tomas on August 7, 2012 at 10:20 AM

This could be a game-changer in Ohio, where most of those Delphi employees and retirees live.

rockmom on August 7, 2012 at 10:18 AM

And Michigan.

Happy Nomad on August 7, 2012 at 10:20 AM

This could be a game-changer in Ohio, where most of those Delphi employees and retirees live.

rockmom on August 7, 2012 at 10:18 AM

Indeed. Many of them right here in the Dayton area.

Bitter Clinger on August 7, 2012 at 10:22 AM

absolutely Dayton Ohio which has swing potential was majority Delphi versus GM actual contracts…..

the UAW had bargained away those workers as second class citizens anyway….

this artillery especially if the paper trail can be waved in the displaced delphi workers face will be a devestating fire for effect arty strike…..

“steel on target”

harlekwin15 on August 7, 2012 at 10:22 AM

Punish the non-union workers…it was a message.

Join the union, or get nothing…

right2bright on August 7, 2012 at 10:19 AM

True. I didn’t think about that angle.

Bitter Clinger on August 7, 2012 at 10:23 AM

Did anyone’s wife die after these people lost out?

Man, sometimes I have a hard time really thinking about all the trash, criminality and outright treason emanating from this administration. In all seriousness, I wonder if German citizens had the same uneasy feeling as Hitler began his rise to power, as if they somehow knew that a shiitstorm was coming but just couldn’t quite define it.

Bishop on August 7, 2012 at 10:12 AM

Well, we have a nominee for the Presidency. The ball is in
Romney’s court. He can run a typical WASP campaign of
business as usual…OR he can grow a set, and come to the
realization (damn quick, after reading this article) that
the gloves absolutely have to come off, and go out there
and expose this THUG UGLY administration for what it is.
BECAUSE, as you point out in your last sentence, they knew
that a sh*tstorm was coming, but just couldn’t quite define it.
ROMNEY HAS TO DEFINE IT! What better way than to epxose all
this thuggery, and malfeasance. The man has plenty of money,
start running ads exposing this massive empire of corruption.
AFTER the convention, he can run ads promoting his agenda.

ToddPA on August 7, 2012 at 10:25 AM

Reward your allies, punish your enemies. That’s been his stance his entire life.

ButterflyDragon on August 7, 2012 at 10:19 AM

Except when it’s foreign policy. Then it’s the other way around.

The Rogue Tomato on August 7, 2012 at 10:25 AM

BTW, the head of the PBGC at that time was Charlie Millard, a Republican appointed by President Bush. He resigned in 2010 and Obama recess-appointed former Clinton apparatchik Josh Gotbaum to replace him. Would be interesting to see a reporter catch up with Millard and get his recollections about all of this, and whether it led to his resignation.

rockmom on August 7, 2012 at 10:25 AM

True. I didn’t think about that angle.

Bitter Clinger on August 7, 2012 at 10:23 AM

Yup, no it was known then and the workforce trying to play games with Delphi to catch up to the “chosen” GM workers is why there is no GM plants in Russia instead of Dayton

harlekwin15 on August 7, 2012 at 10:26 AM

Can the Romney camp find a few of the 20,000 that would swear the loss of their pension made them destitute? The ad would write itself. The Obama campaign would do it even if it wasn’t true.

dirtseller on August 7, 2012 at 10:17 AM

I remember when Romney was in Dayton back in March for the primary, he was asked a question about this very subject during the Q&A at his rally here. His campaign staff surely could track down that person.

Bitter Clinger on August 7, 2012 at 10:28 AM

we may be seeing more subpoenas and Congressional hearings in the near future

And?

docflash on August 7, 2012 at 10:31 AM

Expect a Holder DOJ to look the other way

J_Crater on August 7, 2012 at 10:31 AM

rather is why there ARE GM plants in Russia rather than Ohio….

yeah Team Ogabe wants to talk about “outsourcing” people you need to word of mouth that the Federal Government under Ogabe bankrolled GM and Chrysler building plants in Russia and China.

harlekwin15 on August 7, 2012 at 10:31 AM

Since2009

Ergo nothing will happen Dang it

cmsinaz on August 7, 2012 at 10:31 AM

Yup, no it was known then and the workforce trying to play games with Delphi to catch up to the “chosen” GM workers is why there is no GM plants in Russia instead of Dayton

harlekwin15 on August 7, 2012 at 10:26 AM

Boy, has Dayton taken it on the chin from the Delphi/GM fiascos. All 7 Delphi plants in town are shuttered and GM’s Moraine Truck Assembly was closed just weeks after Obama was elected in ’08.

Bitter Clinger on August 7, 2012 at 10:32 AM

For some reason, Prezzy Can’t Let GM Fail, wanted to exact some punishment on the management at GM.

Kissmygrits on August 7, 2012 at 10:13 AM

It wasn’t GM’s management that was punished, as much as it was U.S. taxpayers. We’re the ones who were really screwed when Obama “saved” the American auto industry. Of course, Obama didn’t actually “save” the “auto industry.” He temporarily kept two dysfunctional auto companies, GM and Chrysler, in business, at a cost of tens of billions of taxpayer dollars.

When companies like GM and Chrysler go through a bankruptcy, every party (e.g., the company, the unions, the suppliers, etc.) is supposed to take some losses. Instead, when the Obama administration “managed” GM and Chrysler’s bankruptcy proceedings, only certain parties were required to take losses. The bondholders, the non-union employees, and the Republican-owned dealerships were all hit hard. Remarkably, the unions came out of the bankruptcies in better shape than they went in. They came out with their inflated wages intact, their unaffordable pension benefits intact, and as a little added bonus, they were also handed a significant ownership stake in the companies.

The biggest loser was the U.S. taxpayer. The tens of billions of dollars of our money that the Obama administration poured into GM and Chrysler will never be paid back, and it’s just a matter of time before both companies are back before another bankruptcy judge, because the issues that led them to the brink of doom (inflated union wages, unaffordable union pensions, lousy products, etc.) are all still there.

AZCoyote on August 7, 2012 at 10:32 AM

When has the Obama regime told the truth?

jukin3 on August 7, 2012 at 10:33 AM

Let’s all be outraged for 24 or 48 hours, and it’s just another revelation of corruption. What is Congress going to do about it? NOTHING. Just like Fast & Furious. Make a few statements, slap a few hands and go on recess. Anyone who thinks Romney is going to clean up anything is also dillusional. There’s a reason he’s not getting close to any TEA Party or freedom groups. The corruption will continue.

lea on August 7, 2012 at 10:34 AM

What I can’t understand is how the Obama administration was just willing to cut-off those 20,000 people with the blink of an eye. I mean Obama is all about having everyone depend on government. Did they make some kind of assumption that all 20,000 were Republicans?

Bitter Clinger on August 7, 2012 at 10:12 AM

Unless employees are union employees they would be invisible to Obama.

Dasher on August 7, 2012 at 10:34 AM

Boy, has Dayton taken it on the chin from the Delphi/GM fiascos. All 7 Delphi plants in town are shuttered and GM’s Moraine Truck Assembly was closed just weeks after Obama was elected in ’08.

Bitter Clinger on August 7, 2012 at 10:32 AM

Our city was once a beautiful town that to use Dear readers’ favorite patronization of our allies “punched above its weight”….

a devil’s brew of labor greed, democrat rule of the Municipal government, and corporate “greed” in finding a better deal have me in the position of when I get to go home knowing without hesitation that my birthplace was better off when I was 5 years old than it ever will be again.

“new Detroit”….

//”Forward”

harlekwin15 on August 7, 2012 at 10:35 AM

Reward your allies, punish your enemies. That’s been his stance his entire life.

ButterflyDragon on August 7, 2012 at 10:19 AM

Except when it’s foreign policy. Then it’s the other way around.

The Rogue Tomato on August 7, 2012 at 10:25 AM

unless of course his allies are not your allies … then the axiom holds true.

Lost in Jersey on August 7, 2012 at 10:36 AM

We won’t see any Romney ads on this. His team is firmly ensconced in a cocoon of thought that believes he can coast into the WH without “going negative” because dear Barky is obviously so very very awful.

I hope someone with a dose of reality in the party can get to him before the convention and wake him up.

Difficultas_Est_Imperium on August 7, 2012 at 10:38 AM

I used to work for Delphi in Ohio.

The company went bankrupt years ago in large part because the unions destroyed it. I watched men sit on their asses all day and read the newspaper, and then they proudly showed me their W-2s saying they made $100k/year. They were paid not to work, courtesy of the unions.

Of COURSE the Obama administration would cut off the non-union pensions!!!! But those union slugs are still pulling theirs, all these years later… NO DOUBT

CambellBrown on August 7, 2012 at 10:38 AM

When are the gosh dang RINO’S gonna start holding this BS administration to the standards that the mighty Democrats hold Republicans? ?????? I am so sick and tired of this s**t that comes out daily………. Do something about it, don’t just talk about it …Sheesh…..>:-(

angrymike on August 7, 2012 at 10:39 AM

The biggest loser was the U.S. taxpayer. The tens of billions of dollars of our money that the Obama administration poured into GM and Chrysler will never be paid back, and it’s just a matter of time before both companies are back before another bankruptcy judge, because the issues that led them to the brink of doom (inflated union wages, unaffordable union pensions, lousy products, etc.) are all still there.

AZCoyote on August 7, 2012 at 10:32 AM

But…but…but they have the Chevy Volt. That’s such a great car and is going to be a big seller.
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Bitter Clinger on August 7, 2012 at 10:39 AM

To protect your pension be sure you have plenty of illegal aliens retire also. Obama wouldn’t cut the pension plan then. Of course if you are a citizen let’s hope for the best. Hitler had nothing on this ruthless SOB Obama & Co. If he gets a second term God help us all====revolution.

Herb on August 7, 2012 at 10:40 AM

Michelle Malkin has been screaming about this for two or three years, hasn’t she?

My point to independent voters is that they should feel free to vote for the guy who on too many occasions says screw the rule of law. After all, you’ll be able to tell your friends and acquaintances that you voted pro-sodomy–because that’s what’s important.

BuckeyeSam on August 7, 2012 at 10:40 AM

I used to work for Delphi in Ohio.

The company went bankrupt years ago in large part because the unions destroyed it. I watched men sit on their asses all day and read the newspaper, and then they proudly showed me their W-2s saying they made $100k/year. They were paid not to work, courtesy of the unions.

Of COURSE the Obama administration would cut off the non-union pensions!!!! But those union slugs are still pulling theirs, all these years later… NO DOUBT

CambellBrown on August 7, 2012 at 10:38 AM

I remember back in ’86 when the SOBs tried to get 15 minute paid coffee breaks per hour…..

I have never had a single ounce of sympathy one minute for any piece of UAW PR at all and union speak more mildly in general.

like Grandpa used to say “stupidity is its own reward”

harlekwin15 on August 7, 2012 at 10:43 AM

I hope someone with a dose of reality in the party can get to him before the convention and wake him up.

Difficultas_Est_Imperium on August 7, 2012 at 10:38 AM

Wait, patience, Mitt can’t even use most of the money available to him until after the convention. So he (PACs) have to pick and choose their ads.

After the convention, the onslaught will begin…Mitt, if nothing else, has shown he has no problem personally going after someone, just ask Newt and Rick P. and Rick S….

right2bright on August 7, 2012 at 10:43 AM

Did Obama admin officials lie to Congress about Delphi pension termination?

Does a bear crap in the woods?

visions on August 7, 2012 at 10:43 AM

You had me at ‘Did’

CitizenEgg on August 7, 2012 at 10:45 AM

My point to independent voters is that they should feel free to vote for the guy who on too many occasions says screw the rule of law. After all, you’ll be able to tell your friends and acquaintances that you voted pro-sodomy–because that’s what’s important.

BuckeyeSam on August 7, 2012 at 10:40 AM

There is no class of voters more stupid than “independents”…even liberals, at least they have a reason…but independents? They are like sheep, they wait for whomever is winning than that is the way they vote.
To rely on them, is like relying on a bunch of druggies, reality is beyond any of their thought processes.

right2bright on August 7, 2012 at 10:46 AM

Mitt, if nothing else, has shown he has no problem personally going after someone, just ask Newt and Rick P. and Rick S….

right2bright on August 7, 2012 at 10:43 AM

The fear is he is another John McCain bulldog when biting republicans and Poodle when biting Donks….

I get it moderates the mule tastes worse bite per bite but um they are in fact the enemy species…..

The only sensible fear and if he has researched it with targeted polling one that may in fact be sensible, is that he detects union rank and file voter apathy and he does not want them fired up and running to Obama….

of course maybe Mitt should do some research on what the unions did for Reagan in ’80 by Reagan speaking frankly to them.

harlekwin15 on August 7, 2012 at 10:46 AM

Bishop @ 10:12
Some knew what was coming and eather got out or were arrested, once it all started Hitler had his own little truth team and list of national socialists sent out so ppl could report the non believer’s ……….;-(

angrymike on August 7, 2012 at 10:48 AM

Boy, has Dayton taken it on the chin from the Delphi/GM fiascos. All 7 Delphi plants in town are shuttered and GM’s Moraine Truck Assembly was closed just weeks after Obama was elected in ’08.

Bitter Clinger on August 7, 2012 at 10:32 AM

Add to that, almost none of the properties in the “old GM” have been sold to pay off creditors as is supposed to happen in bankruptcy. Instead, the obama connected Racer Trust has been stripping them and tearing them down to generate just enough revenue to maintain the money stream to the trustee.

Animal60 on August 7, 2012 at 10:51 AM

bu..bu…but….. VALERIE PLAME was a way more serious an issue then this stuff !

FlaMurph on August 7, 2012 at 10:51 AM

Add to that, almost none of the properties in the “old GM” have been sold to pay off creditors as is supposed to happen in bankruptcy. Instead, the obama connected Racer Trust has been stripping them and tearing them down to generate just enough revenue to maintain the money stream to the trustee.

Animal60 on August 7, 2012 at 10:51 AM

anyone who drives northbound in Toledo can see that at the old Jeep plant….

yeah “forward”….

in a real life bankruptcy if nothing else the workers could have bought the building and started making solar powered Rickshaws….

but no “forward”

harlekwin15 on August 7, 2012 at 10:53 AM

I used to work for Delphi in Ohio.

The company went bankrupt years ago in large part because the unions destroyed it. I watched men sit on their asses all day and read the newspaper, and then they proudly showed me their W-2s saying they made $100k/year. They were paid not to work, courtesy of the unions.

Of COURSE the Obama administration would cut off the non-union pensions!!!! But those union slugs are still pulling theirs, all these years later… NO DOUBT

CambellBrown on August 7, 2012 at 10:38 AM

I used to do building surveys for GM. Reading newspapers? Cripes, most people would not believe the number of hidden “sleeping rooms” I found. Complete with queen size mattress.

Animal60 on August 7, 2012 at 10:54 AM

This administration has been the most deceitful in history since almost every time they say something it is a lie. Even Nixon told the truth much of the time and Clinton — well, he was a much better liar than Obama.

Christian Conservative on August 7, 2012 at 10:55 AM

So the administration runs on a catch us if you can MO and if you catch us what ya going to do about, nothing ? :(

Sandybourne on August 7, 2012 at 10:58 AM

Add to that, almost none of the properties in the “old GM” have been sold to pay off creditors as is supposed to happen in bankruptcy. Instead, the obama connected Racer Trust has been stripping them and tearing them down to generate just enough revenue to maintain the money stream to the trustee.

Animal60 on August 7, 2012 at 10:51 AM

My son worked for the metals dealer who bought, stripped out, and tore down the plant on Needmore Road where they have talked about putting the horse track.

I thought the Moraine Assembly had been sold to a California company that was going to split it up into smaller sites.

Bitter Clinger on August 7, 2012 at 11:00 AM

They’re going to have to build entire new prisons to house all the Obama Administration people who will get prosecuted over this, F&F, and numerous other scandals.

teke184 on August 7, 2012 at 11:03 AM

My son worked for the metals dealer who bought, stripped out, and tore down the plant on Needmore Road where they have talked about putting the horse track.

I thought the Moraine Assembly had been sold to a California company that was going to split it up into smaller sites.

Bitter Clinger on August 7, 2012 at 11:00 AM

I had toured the Needmore plant with a prospective buyer. The Moraine deal was done before Racer took over. But I recently heard that deal went south.
(That was a politically connected deal as well..on the other side of the aisle…..the original trustee had connections with the Bush admin. from what I heard)

Animal60 on August 7, 2012 at 11:06 AM

When you have Trumka visiting the White House every other day telling Obama to put pressure on nonunion workers and trying to get voter rules changed it’s hard not to believe the Obama administration was totally involved.

If this new report doesn’t hound Obama all the way to election day it would be disservice to the right to work community.

plutorocks on August 7, 2012 at 11:08 AM

Romney has to say Obama authorized the killing of 20,000 non-union pensions and for the public to pay for the union ones.
Anything more complicated, forget it.
budfox on August 7, 2012 at 10:08 AM

Change that to “Obama’s Administration” and you’ve got something. Even the fact checkers at the WaPo will be forced to do some reporting if Romney makes this a big enough issue. I see a sad situation for. 20,000 workers. And I see an issue that can be hammered over the head of BHO.

Team Mitt, take notes!

h a p f a t on August 7, 2012 at 11:09 AM

When called to testify before Congress, executive branch officials say, “No, no, no” … but their e-mails later say, “Yes, yes, yes“ and Republicans will later respond, “I see nothing…I hear nothing…”

Fixed for history.

MNHawk on August 7, 2012 at 11:10 AM

Man, sometimes I have a hard time really thinking about all the trash, criminality and outright treason emanating from this administration. In all seriousness, I wonder if German citizens had the same uneasy feeling as Hitler began his rise to power, as if they somehow knew that a shiitstorm was coming but just couldn’t quite define it.

Bishop on August 7, 2012 at 10:12 AM

Ditto for me too!! I have been in shock since the election returns were announced!! It gets worse with every headline about this Communist Muslim Terrorist in the white house!! Seriously, I think it is similar to PTSD that others have suffered!Our only hope is coming in November or it’s curtains for this country!

Marco on August 7, 2012 at 11:11 AM

Story sure smells like perjury, grand jury, charges, trial, and prison for some administration folks. Screwed bond holders will be next to sue if they haven’t already.

Amazingoly on August 7, 2012 at 10:09 AM

You are so right, especially regarding the “bondholder” issue. If there was any illegality, that was the first! I have been amazed at the complacency of those bondholders and their attorneys since day one!

tomshup on August 7, 2012 at 11:16 AM

…but independents? They are like sheep, they wait for whomever is winning than that is the way they vote.
To rely on them, is like relying on a bunch of druggies, reality is beyond any of their thought processes.

right2bright on August 7, 2012 at 10:46 AM

bub I said exactly this last weekend to a good buddy that likes to declare his purity as an independent, he votes about 99.9% the same as me and has for years. I honestly don’t think of them as independents either. Directionless, uninformed, non-commital maybe but that is not really a political notion. That is a human trait.

DanMan on August 7, 2012 at 11:17 AM

Never mind the patterns Ed, What about the never mentioned consequences? If they continue with their illegal boldness and the GOP continues with its continues fear of fighting back (using equally bold legal and/or political recourse in this case), where do we end up…Angola II?
Don’t answer…we all know where we are now with the GOP as protecter of our freedoms.

Don L on August 7, 2012 at 11:19 AM

I had toured the Needmore plant with a prospective buyer. The Moraine deal was done before Racer took over. But I recently heard that deal went south.
(That was a politically connected deal as well..on the other side of the aisle…..the original trustee had connections with the Bush admin. from what I heard)

Animal60 on August 7, 2012 at 11:06 AM

Didn’t know that.

Bitter Clinger on August 7, 2012 at 11:19 AM

What I can’t understand is how the Obama administration was just willing to cut-off those 20,000 people with the blink of an eye. I mean Obama is all about having everyone depend on government. Did they make some kind of assumption that all 20,000 were Republicans?

Bitter Clinger on August 7, 2012 at 10:12 AM

In their eyes:

Non-union = Management = Rich Enemies

It’s that simple. If you’re not union, you’re against unions.

CycloneCDB on August 7, 2012 at 11:22 AM

Boehner will get around to having a Congressional hearing on this in about 2020…

So many things that the Obama administration has done that are shady, yet they get away with it if someone does not take action and investigate.

#CongressFail

albill on August 7, 2012 at 11:23 AM

Idea for new Romney ad:

After I am elected President I will agree not to prosecute former President Obama, former VP Biden, his cabinet, his Czars and his staff as long as they agree to revoke their citizenship and leave the country immediately.

sdbatboy on August 7, 2012 at 11:23 AM

Hey, but he saved the auto industry that’s why he is winning and is going to win Ohio. It must be true I heard it on FOX news last night.

DDay on August 7, 2012 at 11:25 AM

Y’all recall when I surmised way back that Obama lied to get a grant as a foreign student?

http://www.theblaze.com/contributions/obama’s-college-classmate-the-obama-scandal-is-at-columbia/

Obama is a liar and he is surrounded by like minded people. Those 20,000 former Delphi employees ought to be able to take everything these folks in his administration that were involved in this have.

Pound him Mitt. Take off the gloves and pound him. Geithner is an admitted tax cheat and needs to be exposed as a thief of felony proportions.

DanMan on August 7, 2012 at 10:16 AM

That’s also how he evaded any inspection of his credentials, probably avoided taking SAT as well, because he was a foreign student and for them the quota is all that matters, any requirements or qualifications are waived.

slickwillie2001 on August 7, 2012 at 11:26 AM

I recall that early drafts of Obamacare had some special goodies hidden therein for UAW/any union employees, a kind of gross-up of medical benefits to keep them whole re health insurance in retirement. Anyone know if that survived in the final Obamacare?

slickwillie2001 on August 7, 2012 at 11:30 AM

Don’t even have to read the article. Most. Corrupt. Administration. Evah.

College Prof on August 7, 2012 at 11:36 AM

There is no class of voters more stupid than “independents”…even liberals, at least they have a reason…but independents? They are like sheep, they wait for whomever is winning than that is the way they vote.
To rely on them, is like relying on a bunch of druggies, reality is beyond any of their thought processes.

right2bright on August 7, 2012 at 10:46 AM

Pretty harsh statement don’t you think? Some Independents may live in areas where the only choice you have to vote in elections is Democrat. That is for the local elections and rather than register as a Democrat, they chose to remain Independents. I wouldn’t call these people stupid and compare them to drug addicts.

DDay on August 7, 2012 at 11:44 AM

Astounding that there are so many incredibly stupid (not ignorant) people that worship this corrupt, communist, America hating, SOB. Absolutely amazing. America has been “dumbed down” by liberals and the results are now coming to fruition.

Liberalism is a vicious, corrupting, cancer that is eating away at the Republic. Our founding fathers are rolling in their graves.

ultracon on August 7, 2012 at 11:47 AM

Geithner didn’t pay his taxes.

Geithner is at the center of the underreported Libor scandal.

Geithner owns this topic.

Plouffe…where is the 100,000 Plouffe story, media? Oh, we know. You can’t report it because you are overstuffed with Obama’s sh*t, which you once again mistook for Beluga caviar.

Schadenfreude on August 7, 2012 at 11:58 AM

I’d like to take away the pensions of everyone in the Obama Administration.

SmallGovtGuy on August 7, 2012 at 12:00 PM

“Did the administration lie?” Is the Pope Catholic?

Fuquay Steve on August 7, 2012 at 12:10 PM

So I go to the Dayton Daily News to see if any of this is being covered. Nope. A huge story basically assuring everyone that Obama said he has no plans to close Wright-Patterson and ending with Romney hasn’t addressed the issue.

http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/news/obama-administration-no-military-base-closings-in-/nQCGL/

The fourth estate proudly remains a fifth column.

DanMan on August 7, 2012 at 12:13 PM

“Your agenda has been my agenda in the US Senate” (3:10 mark)

“Imagine having a President who’s life work was your work” (4:00 mark)

faraway on August 7, 2012 at 12:13 PM

Did Obama admin officials lie to Congress about Delphi pension termination?

Hmmmm……………….
http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc85/Mamba1-0/frequently%20used/Bear.jpg

Solaratov on August 7, 2012 at 12:23 PM

Yeah Dayton is the new Detroit and I wouldn’t wipe my *ss with the Dayton Daily News. I used to work at the Delphi plant off 741 on the south side — trying to remember what that one was called. Not Needmore Rd. – it’s been 12 years so things are getting fuzzy

I work in South Carolina at a manufacturing plant. There are no unions here. The company is profitable, and people have jobs. Amazing.

(And if they are caught sleeping on the job they get fired — happened just last week. I know the owners are super scared about the unions taking over the in SC the way they did in OH and other places)

CambellBrown on August 7, 2012 at 12:40 PM

Delphi ran its business into the ground by incompetence. The PBGC is broke too. The last thing the government needs to do is start bailing out pensions. Big corporations made promises to employees and the government allowed them to underfund pensions and raid the funds during the dotcom bubble. Republicans + Dems equally to blame.

ZippyZ on August 7, 2012 at 12:54 PM

ZippyZ on August 7, 2012 at 12:54 PM

oh boy! look who woke up. Delphi ran its business into the ground and therefore pensioners should not get retirement.

GM does same and taxpayers must reward them by making their pensions whole, having the administration close viable dealerships of political opponents, destroy the value the bondholders held and kick the can down the road since none of the structural problems have been addressed.

mornin’ dumbshine!

DanMan on August 7, 2012 at 1:19 PM

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