Weekly Standard: Christie now under “serious consideration” for VP?

posted at 4:51 pm on August 6, 2012 by Allahpundit

Bill Kristol’s been a Christie booster for ages so it’s tempting to dismiss this as wishful thinking, but I don’t know. Makes more sense now than it did three months ago.

Speaking of Christie: As of Friday, when we wrote the editorial [recommending Ryan or Rubio for VP], we’d been led to believe Christie wasn’t in serious consideration. We now have reason to think he may be. So to be clear: We’d certainly include him with Ryan and Rubio as potential gold medal finalists. As to choosing among the three of them? A photo finish. But choosing a VP candidate who will help Romney run a big, forward looking campaign—that is not a close call.

We’re three months out from election day and Romney’s favorables are still upside down. In Rasmussen’s daily tracking poll, Obama’s suddenly ahead for just the second time in two months. The last wispy chances of an economic recovery before election day evaporated long ago, yet according to Nate Silver’s statistical model of the electoral college, Obama would crack 300 EVs (barely) if the election were held today. If you believe Major Garrett, even Romney’s own advisors are worried that he’s been “too rich for too long” to put some undecideds at ease. And because political news today moves faster than it did 30 years ago, there’s no telling if the convention and the debates will shift votes as dramatically as they did for Reagan against Carter.

If, in other words, the campaign’s decided that it needs some oomph, who better than Christie to provide it? Arguably only Rubio would jolt the race more, but Rubio’s lack of experience would be a bigger problem for the ticket than Christie’s would for the simple, silly, superficial reason that Rubio looks so much younger than his age. People will look at him and be amazed that he’s 35, a bad reaction when you’re presenting him as the man you want one heartbeat away. Christie’s older and looks the part of a seasoned pol even though he’s only held major political office as long as Rubio has, so he’s easier (though necessarily easy) to sell in that role. Beyond that, Christie’s better suited to the campaign demands of the VP role than Rubio is: Romney needs an attack dog and that’s not really who Rubio is. He’s more of an uplift guy a la Obama 2004 than a streetfighter, whereas Christie’s the preeminent streetfighter in the GOP right now. And like Rubio and Paul Ryan and precious few others, Christie can deliver big-picture fiscal conservatism on the stump like few other politicians in America can.

The argument against picking him has always been that (a) he’ll overshadow Romney and (b) he’s enough of a loose cannon that he’ll say something damaging on the stump. As to the latter point, Christie’s been stumping for Romney for months without any miscues; in fact, he’s trusted enough that Romney chose him, among the Republican all-stars who were with him, to give the closing remarks at the big GOP confab in Colorado a few days ago. He’s not a dummy. He can rein himself in with the stakes this high. As to the former point, the more the election looks like it’s slipping away from Romney, the more I’d bet he’s willing to make peace with the idea of a larger-than-life VP if that guy can help him win. And Christie probably can help: Just four days ago, an FDU poll of the deep blue state of New Jersey found CC with a 55 percent approval rating there, including 65 percent approval among independents. Some conservatives would argue that that’s because Christie, apart from fiscal issues, is basically a centrist, but I doubt Romney cares about that either. If tea partiers are willing to line up behind the guy who signed off on RomneyCare in the interest of bouncing The One, adding a guy to the ticket who believes in global warming isn’t going to deter them. The question at this point is, simply, would Christie increase Romney’s chances of winning more than any of the other shortlisters? There’s an argument to be made that, yeah, he would. Risky, but potentially high reward.


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Just after Romney inexplicably wouldn’t take a stand in support of Chick Fil A, driving much of the conservative Republican base to fits, now having the uber-RINO Christie as VP would add a heavy insult to injury. Talk about a mass defection of conservatives.
“Strictly” conservative. Right. The case could easily be made that etch a sketch Romney’s position on gay marriage is effectively the same as Obama’s. Many voters are (seriously) starting to think that maybe sending a message to the Republican establishment is the right course. Get it right in 2016.

anotherJoe on August 6, 2012 at 6:39 PM

Romney is vain, so would he pick Jabba to make himself look comparitively healthier and more photogenic, or would he not pick Christie since he’ll detract from the overall campaign’s image?

Daikokuco on August 6, 2012 at 6:42 PM

Romney intends to run AGAINST Washington DC, so a current member of Congress won’t do.

Which brings us to a governor or former Governor – Jindal, McDonnell, Christie or Pawlenty.

I don’t see anything that Pawlenty brings to the table. He cannot deliver Minnesota and people in Iowa or Wisconsin have never heard of him. And he would be a lousy attack dog.

matthew8787 on August 6, 2012 at 6:38 PM

Jindall makes the most sense. He is a great communicator. Would just love to have him recount Obumbler’s handling of the BP mess.

oldroy on August 6, 2012 at 6:43 PM

I’d also love to see Jindal recounting Obumbles lack of help in rebuilding New Orleans. How the city has helped itself. How bubmles must hate Black people.

oldroy on August 6, 2012 at 6:45 PM

I like Christi on many levels.

I also dislike him on several positions that he’d taken publically such as support for the idea that humans are causing global warming when the science is still in dispute.

Still, I’d support him for VP.

But I think his biggest problem is his weight. He will be ridiculed as the poster child for the need for Obamacare and a nanny state to eliminate obesity as well as vilified as a “fat” cat Republican.

Personally, I would prefer Marko Rubio, Bobby Jindal, Nikki Haley, Paul Ryan, Jeb Bush, or even Sarah Palin (though that doesn’t have a snowball’s chance in Hades of happening.) There are other equally qualified stanch conservatives who would be great VP’s from the stand point of helping Mitt to implement a reductions of the federal goverment. But unfortunately the most important qualification is who will help him win votes.

Whoever it he/she needs to be articulate and agressive. And he/she needs to generate enthusiasm. Therefore, picks like Portman, Pawlenty, and other wet noodles would be a minus, not a plus.

Still, the election is based on the presidential nominee and not on the VP. But an aggressive VP who can wow the crowds would be a big plus. A VP who will put the crowds to sleep with their personalities would be a huge minus.

BMF on August 6, 2012 at 6:47 PM

If it’s an attack dog that’s needed, I’d rather have Allen West fill the position.

I still pine for Palin, but West would be a powerful addition to the ticket.

freedomfirst on August 6, 2012 at 6:49 PM

It’s simple math. If Christie helps Romney carry New Jersey, the rest of the country won’t have a reason to watch TV on election night.

joncoltonis on August 6, 2012 at 6:53 PM

I remember when Romney, smug as blazes, said that the base would get behind him in the end(they have no choice?)

If he pulls a Christie he’s making a big trade-off. I suspect that the RINO’s like Oromney have no idea how their base thinks.

Don L on August 6, 2012 at 7:05 PM

If he’s the VP candidate everyone will see Chris Christie for what he is: a moderate, fat, obnoxious loud-mouth from New Jersey – nothing more.

Mitt will soon learn that what passes for a leader in New Jersey makes people in “flyover country” puke.

bw222 on August 6, 2012 at 7:07 PM

If CC is the VP i may very well not vote in this election..he is the biggest dhimmi around..no pun intended..he seriously is worse than Bush when it comes to issues with Islam..Nominated a muslim judge who supports shariah law and called people crazy because shariah isn’t happening here..i will not support Romney for a VP like Chris Christie…he has 2 freaking first names for crying out loud..that’s stupid

sadsushi on August 6, 2012 at 7:10 PM

Allah

Even though I’m a Rubio Guy…

…Christie’s real strength?

He’s the funny fat guy.

Costello. Gleason. Flintstone. Belushi. Candy. Farley.

Half the dads in sitcoms. The character people can relate too.

From a policy standpoint, I don’t know what he brings to the ticket Mitt doesn’t have covered. I’m guessing he’s knowledge as an AG. That actually makes it interesting, because Christie is not a fan of Wall St. excess.

budfox on August 6, 2012 at 7:13 PM

If it’s an attack dog that’s needed, I’d rather have Allen West fill the position.

I still pine for Palin, but West would be a powerful addition to the ticket.

freedomfirst on August 6, 2012 at 6:49 PM

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Dittos.

I’m not saying there aren’t any other good choices, but West would be great.

listens2glenn on August 6, 2012 at 7:14 PM

Look at the unbelievable economic progress he has made in a Democratic stronghold. He can get his way and shift opinion with mastery.

dgarone on August 6, 2012 at 5:03 PM

You do realize that spending has actually increased under Christie and that the “Garden State’s” unemployment rate is a full percent higher than Michigan’s, don’t you?

http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2012/07/nj_unemployment_hits_96_percen.html

bw222 on August 6, 2012 at 7:16 PM

I remember when Romney, smug as blazes, said that the base would get behind him in the end (they have no choice?)

If he pulls a Christie he’s making a big trade-off. I suspect that the RINO’s like Oromney have no idea how their base thinks.

Don L on August 6, 2012 at 7:05 PM

Yes, to think that he abused the language, and insulted our intelligence to call himself “severely conservative” — this shows a severe problem. He’s got to do his best then to cover up the seeming fact that he’s a flaming NEastern Rockefeller R, or worse. Worse? I just can’t get over is dissing of conservatives on Chick Fil A. Many in the base are starting to dislike him enough to consider pushing the red button. At minimum, he needs to remedy the Chick Fil A misstep to stop the bleeding.

anotherJoe on August 6, 2012 at 7:19 PM

This look like a good place to put this link
chris-christie-backs-hamas-linked-judge-pick-blasts-crazies-after-appointing-muslim-judge-the-sharia

If this is just the tip of the recent iceburg. Big questions would have to be asked and you know the Media would if CC is on the ticket.

tjexcite on August 6, 2012 at 7:20 PM

Although I like Christie, I don’t think many people are fond of him.
This would not be a good move for Romney.

pastselldate on August 6, 2012 at 7:21 PM

That sound you heard was Ann Coulter re-enacting the restaurant scene from When Harry Met Sally.

Mr. Wednesday Night on August 6, 2012 at 5:31 PM

Now that right there is funny.

oldroy on August 6, 2012 at 5:34 PM

Yeah, she played Harry well enough that she might go Hollywood.

Don L on August 6, 2012 at 7:28 PM

freedomfirst on August 6, 2012 at 6:49 PM

Allen West is Joe the Plumber. He’s a mascot. He was notable for beating the rap on a court martial and parlayed it in to a political career. Don’t get me wrong, I think his interrogation tactics were perfectly justified, but they are no qualification for a seat in Congress, let along the WH!

MJBrutus on August 6, 2012 at 7:31 PM

Rubio or Jindal. Like it or not, we need some dark skin in the game.

mike_NC9 on August 6, 2012 at 7:33 PM

Here’s some info on the Illustrious Mr. Christie….

But if Mr. Glyn wants to make this about Christie’s record, fine. Let’s begin with the centerpiece of Glyn’s critique, which purports to address my complaints about what he gently calls “Christie’s differing views on Islam in America” — but what would more accurately be described as Christie’s Islamist sympathies.
I have to say Glyn “purports” to address my complaints because, although he correctly says they are my “main bone of contention,” he studiously avoids describing them. As Glyn must know — because it is linked to in my post — I have laid out my objections to Christie’s (literal) embrace of Islamic supremacists in exacting detail. To summarize, not only did Christie appoint to the state bench a lawyer named Sohail Mohammed, who, besides slandering the Justice Department’s prosecutions of (now convicted) jihadists, served as a board member of an Islamic-supremacist organization (the American Muslim Union); as U.S. attorney, Christie also personally championed a Hamas operative named Mohammed Qatanani and, more shockingly, put his federal office in the service of that operative, in opposition to the federal government’s worthy effort to deport him. Reportedly, U.S. Attorney Christie physically embraced Qatanani, praising him as “a man of great good will,” at an Islamic center in Passaic that was closely linked to the Holy Land Foundation Hamas-financing case — which the Bush Justice Department was prosecuting at that very time. (Indeed, Qatanani’s predecessor as imam of the mosque was one of the defendants convicted in the HLF case — and Qatananipraised and prayed for all those defendants while calling for the end of the “occupation” by Israel and the U.S. of, respectively, Palestine and Iraq.)

Read the whole thing, from Andy McCarthy…

http://www.nationalreview.com/

Polarbearpapa on August 6, 2012 at 7:37 PM

Rubio or Jindal. Like it or not, we need some dark skin in the game.

mike_NC9 on August 6, 2012 at 7:33 PM

I prefer Jindal. He has principles. Rubio is an opportunist. Besides he’s “white Hispanic.”

bw222 on August 6, 2012 at 7:37 PM

Why, so he can destroy suffocate the second amendment by sitting on it?

FloatingRock on August 6, 2012 at 4:58 PM

FIFY. XD

Myron Falwell on August 6, 2012 at 7:37 PM

This could be sold, if…IF…they let Sarah Palin introduce Chris Christie. VP pick from last time introduces this one. Makes sense to me. I know she’s do it, too, because the target is Barack Hussein Obama.

SouthernGent on August 6, 2012 at 7:44 PM

anotherJoe on August 6, 2012 at 7:19 PM

Got to be a Gary Johnson or Ron Paul follower.

You are not a conservative….

Barred on August 6, 2012 at 7:48 PM

Chris “Hamas” Christie? Please no.

As to Jindal and Rubio, in the eyes of many constitutional conservatives neither are natural born citizens, because at the time of their birth in the U.S. their parents were foreign nationals.

People can disagree, but in a close election every vote counts.

john.frank on August 6, 2012 at 7:51 PM

bw222 on August 6, 2012 at 7:37 PM

Okay… Jindal it is! Can’t wait for that Charlie Gibson interview.

mike_NC9 on August 6, 2012 at 7:52 PM

Chris Christie is a complete embarrasment.

He is in very poor health. Never gonna happen.

stenwin77 on August 6, 2012 at 7:53 PM

anotherJoe on August 6, 2012 at 7:19 PM

Dissing the base over Chick-Fil-A? How exactly? By not pandering to the so-called SoCons and needlessly alienating the much more important swing voters? So now, not jumping in with both feet on a fringe issue is disrespecting conservatives? My, but aren’t we sensitive.

MJBrutus on August 6, 2012 at 7:54 PM

This “Christie for VP” thing just has the feeling of being yet another trial balloon like the whole Condeleeza Rice stunt. Only in this case, it’s not just a trial balloon… it’s a 1930′s era dirigible.

My guess: Christie’s joining Team Mitt as a key surrogate on the campaign trail, and only that. Probably was assured a cabinet position (but not to raid it).

And you know what? He wouldn’t be bad as just a surrogate. Lord knows Mitt needs all the help he can get with messaging.

Myron Falwell on August 6, 2012 at 7:56 PM

SouthernGent on August 6, 2012 at 7:44 PM

Ronald Reagan could come back to life and introduce Chris Christie and I still wouldn’t buy it. There are two things that could cause me to vote third party – Chris Christie and Jeb Bush.

bw222 on August 6, 2012 at 7:59 PM

Okay… Jindal it is! Can’t wait for that Charlie Gibson interview.

mike_NC9 on August 6, 2012 at 7:52 PM

Not that I watch TV much, but Mitt and his VP candidate better only do live interviews because MSM will pick the worst of whatever they tape and the longer the interview the more “worst” things they have to choose from.

bw222 on August 6, 2012 at 8:05 PM

i don’t think it will make a huge diff. Romney is not likely to win regardless.

in 1980 the D party was torn apart by T Kennedy. In 2000 Nader lost it for them. They have learned their lessons.

Discipline, discipline, discipline. Plus, take no enemies. Brutal, ugly, but it works.

Also, in the early 90s, lots of moderates flipped to R party. I remember well the chortling that went on within the R party. I’ve come to think that that was a purge of the Dem party. The clinonists (early on) wanted them out…to purify the party.

Well, they got their purity. And they have all their transactional machines in place to buy 51 percent of the vote.

it you don’t believe me, look at the Rasmussen electoral college map. Grim. If mitt wins, it will be only by running the table on the toss up states…and even then, it will be by a thin margin

we’ll see..but at this point barry would win handily in the EV count (at least 290)

r keller on August 6, 2012 at 8:06 PM

i don’t think it will make a huge diff. Romney is not likely to win regardless.

we’ll see..but at this point barry would win handily in the EV count (at least 290)

r keller on August 6, 2012 at 8:06 PM

Just astounding. Absolutely mind-blowing. Mitt is in perfect position to win this election in a landslide and there is nothing that the One can do to change that.

MJBrutus on August 6, 2012 at 8:14 PM

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Akzed on August 6, 2012 at 8:20 PM

MJBrutus on August 6, 2012 at 8:14 PM

well, i hope you are right…but did you look at Rasmussen?

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/archive/2012_electoral_college_scoreboard

here’s the deal…there were a lot of people that were very much against FDR too, just as there are now against obama.

in many ways barry is trying to recreate FDR…disregard for state interests, centralization, using various tricks to get his way…pretty far left (2nd bill of rights)

FDR was very impactful for the country…and that’s barry’s dream. Bush=hoover, barry=fdr

r keller on August 6, 2012 at 8:21 PM

it you don’t believe me, look at the Rasmussen electoral college map. Grim. If mitt wins, it will be only by running the table on the toss up states…and even then, it will be by a thin margin

we’ll see..but at this point barry would win handily in the EV count (at least 290)

r keller on August 6, 2012 at 8:06 PM

Ohio is still listed as a toss-up state, but Obama has been in Lorain County and Cuyahoga County repeatedly over the past year. Those two counties are as Democrat-friendly and as union-friendly as you can get.

If that’s the definition of a “toss-up” state, then I have a bridge in Boise, ID to sell you.

While Rasmussen is the more reliable of the pollsters, he has his flaws. And if you’re looking at polls with samples fixed to goose up Dem numbers and panicking, you should just hit yourself in the head with a ball-peen hammer and wake up on November 6.

Myron Falwell on August 6, 2012 at 8:22 PM

If that’s the definition of a “toss-up” state, then I have a bridge in Boise, ID to sell you.

Myron Falwell on August 6, 2012 at 8:22 PM

Toss-up is being generous to Romney.

Ohio: Romney vs. Obama

RCP Average 7/9 – 7/30 Obama +4.8
CBS/NYT/Quinnipiac 7/24 – 7/30 Obama +6
WeAskAmerica* 7/24 – 7/24 Obama +8
Rasmussen Reports 7/18 – 7/18 Obama +2
Purple Strategies 7/9 – 7/13 Obama +3

sharrukin on August 6, 2012 at 8:31 PM

Harrumph.

J.E. Dyer on August 6, 2012 at 8:31 PM

Whoever Mitt picks it is unlikely to please the base he seems to rather like sticking it to the base. His primary enemy is the Republican Base…

Steveangell on August 6, 2012 at 5:46 PM

It works out that way, he may not intend it. The Chick Fil A thing is the shining example on the hill. Maybe Mitt just has a lot of affinity for the gay militants that have tried to smear CFA, but I think etch a sketch Mitt is just trying to play to the middle, or, in the CFA case, the left.
But with a disgruntled base, it will all fall apart. This odd lack of enthusiasm for our proffered candidate will rub off on the wider electorate, and to them Mitt will just look… odd. O will run away with it. Mitt has to quiet the CFA grumblings in order to prevent this from happening. We always knew that there was a risk that Mitt would end up seriously offending the base, but we thought we’d take that risk. Now we may end up paying the piper.

anotherJoe on August 6, 2012 at 8:32 PM

r keller on August 6, 2012 at 8:21 PM

And did you look at how that map was drawn a few months ago when the GOP primaries were concluding? The trends are clearly moving in Mitt’s favor.

This may be your first rodeo, so here are a few things you should know:

1. Incumbents lead early on. They are incumbents because most voters voted for them and people don’t like to admit that they were wrong. In a case like this year, the incumbent sucks and people know it. They don’t need to be convinced of that, but they need to be reassured that the alternative is acceptable and not nuts or otherwise worse. Mitt clears this hurdle easily.

2. Prior to the nominating convention the challenger is at a distinct disadvantage. The incumbent has a special song that is played in his honor whenever he enters a room. He can and usually does use his office to campaign and to set the agenda. The press treats him with extra special respect for the office that he holds.

3. Usually the incumbent has a large advantage in fund raising (remember Clintoon renting out the Lincoln BR?) for a hundred different reasons. Not so this time around. PBHO has been massively outspending Mitt, but hasn’t laid a glove on him. At the same time, Mitt is consistently raising much more money each month. His powder is dry.

I say hold your judgment for another month, if you have doubts about Mitt’s victory. At the convention the challenger, for the first time, is viewed on the same plane as the incumbent. Until then, the incumbent gets every break and every advantage. Even with those advantages, PBHO is no better than even with Mitt!

MJBrutus on August 6, 2012 at 8:33 PM

Just after Romney inexplicably wouldn’t take a stand in support of Chick Fil A, driving much of the conservative Republican base to fits, now having the uber-RINO Christie as VP would add a heavy insult to injury. Talk about a mass defection of conservatives.
“Strictly” conservative. Right. The case could easily be made that etch a sketch Romney’s position on gay marriage is effectively the same as Obama’s. Many voters are (seriously) starting to think that maybe sending a message to the Republican establishment is the right course. Get it right in 2016.

anotherJoe on August 6, 2012 at 6:39 PM

Religious freedom isn’t a part of his campaign.

JellyToast on August 6, 2012 at 8:34 PM

JellyToast on August 6, 2012 at 8:34 PM

It’s still the economy and we’re not stupid!

MJBrutus on August 6, 2012 at 8:35 PM

Cheney said he wasn’t ready…

Gohawgs on August 6, 2012 at 8:40 PM

Harrumph. J.E. Dyer on August 6, 2012 at 8:31 PM

Hear Hear!!

Akzed on August 6, 2012 at 8:41 PM

Chritie?…okay.Jindal?…okay.Ryan?…okay. Portman?…fine, whatever… Rubio (shudder)but okay if that’s what they feel is necessary. Fortuno…is anyone still talking about him? Well, fine if they are. I.Don’t.Care. who the heck they pick. I am voting against Obama. Period.

lynncgb on August 6, 2012 at 8:41 PM

Toss-up is being generous to Romney.

Ohio: Romney vs. Obama

RCP Average 7/9 – 7/30 Obama +4.8 Automatically invalid because it combines already flawed polls with goosed Dem affils.

CBS/NYT/Quinnipiac 7/24 – 7/30 Obama +6 Invalid out of the gate because of goosed Dem affils. Quinnipiac should be ashamed of themselves.

WeAskAmerica* 7/24 – 7/24 Obama +8 That Dem militants/anarchists like DU and Kos rip these people to shreds earns them my respect. Still, I’d have to see the exact results and amount of undecideds. And if Obama is at the 50% threshold… or not.

Rasmussen Reports 7/18 – 7/18 Obama +2 See earlier thoughts on Rasmussen.

Purple Strategies 7/9 – 7/13 Obama +3 Have to look into them more. And do they follow the same, or a similar, methodology to Rasmussen’s?

sharrukin on August 6, 2012 at 8:31 PM

And there you go.

Myron Falwell on August 6, 2012 at 8:51 PM

And there you go.

Myron Falwell on August 6, 2012 at 8:51 PM

Sure. Its all a plot against Romney. I heard this same crap in 2008 and how McCain was really ahead and the polls were understating Republicans and that Republicans were lying to the pollsters, and how the late breaking polls weren’t showing the trend. The independents were breaking for McCain 4-1 and McCain campaign internal polls showed he would win. Blah, blah, blah.

I don’t believe it anymore. Sure, some polls can and will be off, thats the nature of polling, but not all of them.

sharrukin on August 6, 2012 at 8:58 PM

sharrukin on August 6, 2012 at 8:31 PM

I think most poll samples are based on 2008 turnout which was high on the democrat side but total turn out was less than 60 percent. Ted Cruz and Chick-fil-A have me highly optimistic in spite of the polls.

mike_NC9 on August 6, 2012 at 9:00 PM

Christie would make it a no-vote on me. Christie actively supported the AWB. Mitt merely confirmed that he would sign the AWB back into law on Meet The Press in 2007, but it was under the assumption that the MA AWB was the same as the national Assault Weapons Ban, which it wasn’t.

Two anti-gunners on the GOP ticket, though? Not a f**king chance.

MadisonConservative on August 6, 2012 at 9:00 PM

I think most poll samples are based on 2008 turnout which was high on the democrat side but total turn out was less than 60 percent.

I don’t think they will get that kind of turnout, but Romney isn’t exactly a ‘light his hair on fire’ kind of guy either. Its a fight between who is going to be the lamest candidate.

Ted Cruz and Chick-fil-A have me highly optimistic in spite of the polls.

mike_NC9 on August 6, 2012 at 9:00 PM

That isn’t going to translate into Republican votes because Romney never took any stand on that and even many Democrats supported Chick-fil-A, but that doesn’t mean they are voting Republican.

sharrukin on August 6, 2012 at 9:05 PM

Sure. Its all a plot against Romney. I heard this same crap in 2008 and how McCain was really ahead and the polls were understating Republicans and that Republicans were lying to the pollsters, and how the late breaking polls weren’t showing the trend. The independents were breaking for McCain 4-1 and McCain campaign internal polls showed he would win. Blah, blah, blah.

I don’t believe it anymore. Sure, some polls can and will be off, thats the nature of polling, but not all of them.

sharrukin on August 6, 2012 at 8:58 PM

Um, the main-stream media is a part of those polls. They will do anything and everything to get their candidate of choice, Obama, re-elected. You and I know credibility means absolutely nothing to them.

Yes, that means deliberately lying in their own polls (by inflating the numbers to have it reflect a 2008-level turnout for Dems, that’s the equivalent to lying) to manufacture a news story AND to depress Republican enthusiasm.

And watch during the last few days of the campaign as the polls “magically tighten” to a “dead heat” right at the last few days.

I’m not stupid. I’m seeing this in black and white. There’s a lot of dishonesty going on here, and even when Nate Silver can figure it out, ANYONE can figure it out.

Myron Falwell on August 6, 2012 at 9:06 PM

Screw both of them.

Walker/Paul(Rand) 2016

KirknBurker on August 6, 2012 at 9:12 PM

a rich guy and a porker. we have really teed the ball up for the dems.

renalin on August 6, 2012 at 9:13 PM

Romney needs someone to appeal to Conservatives where he is very weak.

If Romney is stupid enough that he thinks he can pick a fellow liberal leaning “moderate” like Christie and win, he’s too stupid to be President.

RJL on August 6, 2012 at 9:14 PM

You and I know credibility means absolutely nothing to them.

Yes, that means deliberately lying in their own polls (by inflating the numbers to have it reflect a 2008-level turnout for Dems, that’s the equivalent to lying) to manufacture a news story AND to depress Republican enthusiasm.

Myron Falwell on August 6, 2012 at 9:06 PM

Yes we both know that they would sell their own children to a Peruvian brothel for Barack Obama.

That said, we need to avoid lying to ourselves in our enthusiasm for getting rid of Obama. The electoral votes do not show a favorable outcome for Romney. Maybe he can alter that in the coming months, but as of now, he would lose.

sharrukin on August 6, 2012 at 9:18 PM

That isn’t going to translate into Republican votes because Romney never took any stand on that and even many Democrats supported Chick-fil-A, but that doesn’t mean they are voting Republican.

sharrukin on August 6, 2012 at 9:05 PM

He really didn’t need to take a stand on either count. It wasn’t that necessary. The CFA issue was better served with the resounding grassroots response, and Ted Cruz had clear and present momentum following the first primary. Had Mitt said anything, it would have felt like Scrappy Doo opening his mouth.

And you can’t blame me for nominating Mitt. I voted for Santorum. :P

Myron Falwell on August 6, 2012 at 9:19 PM

MJBrutus on August 6, 2012 at 8:33 PM

well, no, this isn’t my first rodeo..i have a few scars as a result.

as I said originally, the 290+ is right now. Now the good news is that barry is under 50 in a lot of places, so i’ll grant that there’s room.

but barry is not going to be sitting on the sidelines. He and the press will be fighting tooth and nail. Number 1…get their base to gotv…number 2 (at least as important) get people to stay home if they are not sure of mitt.

Number 2 is the ‘shrink the electorate’ strategy….so this is pretty easy to predict, lots of lies spread lovingly by the press

so i don’t think this will be a landslide for mitt. He may squeak one out.

r keller on August 6, 2012 at 9:23 PM

He really didn’t need to take a stand on either count. It wasn’t that necessary.

It was necessary because Romney has a credibility issue with a lot of conservatives, and it would also have helped if he had been seen by independents taking a stand that they agreed with.

The CFA issue was better served with the resounding grassroots response, and Ted Cruz had clear and present momentum following the first primary. Had Mitt said anything, it would have felt like Scrappy Doo opening his mouth.

Cruz made the point about CFA and so did Palin.

Why couldn’t Romney?

And you can’t blame me for nominating Mitt. I voted for Santorum. :P

Myron Falwell on August 6, 2012 at 9:19 PM

Very few conservatives wanted Romney and the level of enthusiasm is fairly low. The only thing keeping Romney viable is Obama.

sharrukin on August 6, 2012 at 9:25 PM

sadsushi on August 6, 2012 at 7:10 PM

No on Christie! Just no. It’s bad enough New Jersey has to put up with his strange affinity for Islam; I sure don’t want it insinuating itself into Washington D.C. more than it already has.

PatriotGal2257 on August 6, 2012 at 9:34 PM

That said, we need to avoid lying to ourselves in our enthusiasm for getting rid of Obama. The electoral votes do not show a favorable outcome for Romney. Maybe he can alter that in the coming months, but as of now, he would lose.

sharrukin on August 6, 2012 at 9:18 PM

And that’s why we’re voting 90 days from now, not tomorrow. People really aren’t paying attention or have been turned off by Obama’s endless campaign ads Brown Noise Initiative.

Again, I do not trust the lies spewed by a group of people that are intent on carrying Obama through the finish line in any way, shape or form.

And you can’t blame me for nominating Mitt. I voted for Santorum. :P

Myron Falwell on August 6, 2012 at 9:19 PM

Very few conservatives wanted Romney and the level of enthusiasm is fairly low. The only thing keeping Romney viable is Obama.

sharrukin on August 6, 2012 at 9:25 PM

Had Rick Perry (who was my first choice) not utterly imploded upon himself, the race was his to lose. The candidates were not top-of-the-line after that, and that’s being a bit too generous.

As it is, Obama is not unbeatable. Even Ron Paul could have had a chance against Obama (cue milk snorting).

Myron Falwell on August 6, 2012 at 9:39 PM

Had Rick Perry (who was my first choice) not utterly imploded upon himself, the race was his to lose. The candidates were not top-of-the-line after that, and that’s being a bit too generous.

As it is, Obama is not unbeatable.

Myron Falwell on August 6, 2012 at 9:39 PM

He never was unbeatable, even in 2008 he could have been beaten but McCain refused to fight as Palin wanted. He attacked his own party and then joined hands with Obama in backing the bailouts and TARP along with Bush. Why would anyone want to vote for that sort of candidate?

Now we have the same problem with the names changed. Perry with his ‘heartless’ garbage, Gingrich playing footsies with leftists, Romney the liberal, Pawlenty who ran away early because he saw his shadow, Cain the circus clown, and Bachmann’s hysterics.

I mean, seriously, is this really the best that the GOP can put forward? In the midst of that clown circus Romney the wallflower gets selected because he essentially meant nothing to no one, and was the last man standing.

I am not filled with confidence that the GOP crew can actually make this happen. They agree too much with the Democratic agenda to really make much of a contrast with Obama, and they don’t want things to get ugly, when the Democrats don’t operate in any other gear, except ugly.

sharrukin on August 6, 2012 at 9:52 PM

I support Christie for VP. Yes I know he is some what of rhino, although not as bad as some make him out like he is better than Bush for instance, but so what. Why? Look we know what we are getting in Romney, who himself is some what of a rhino, and we also know the VP really don’t have a heck a lot of power, so I don’t think Romney picking Sara Palin or Ron Paul as vice president is going signal some kind of policy change on Romney’s part. Romney is still going to be Romney.

Romney is still much better than Obama. Obama has to be defeated because four more years of him and I don’t think Ronald Reagan coming back from the dead could save the country in 2016. Christie is a fighter and knows how to get into the gutter. He also knows how to talk to blue collar and middle class folks in Ohio, Pennsylvania, etc. He is comfortable going into a Walmart, which Romney is not. Christie also scares the media, they are intimidated by him. For the first time since Ronald Reagan, we will have a Republican who puts media folks on their heels, yet at the same time he is like catnip to them, which is a perfect combination.

No matter what you may think of Christie he is very important to republicans (and conservatism) in one major regard, stop being so scared of the media! We need a prosecuting attorney known for going after mobsters….

William Eaton on August 6, 2012 at 10:06 PM

Too bad.

Bmore on August 6, 2012 at 10:09 PM

Christie…….HAIR ON FIRE. always.

Not gonna happen.

PappyD61 on August 6, 2012 at 10:23 PM

No matter what you may think of Christie he is very important to republicans (and conservatism) in one major regard, stop being so scared of the media! We need a prosecuting attorney known for going after mobsters….

William Eaton on August 6, 2012 at 10:06 PM

It’s too bad Christie supports radical Islam. It’s a far greater threat to our future than mobsters.

bw222 on August 6, 2012 at 10:42 PM

Very few conservatives wanted Romney and the level of enthusiasm is fairly low. The only thing keeping Romney viable is Obama.

sharrukin on August 6, 2012 at 9:25 PM

+100. Romney needs to realize that he is not popular with conservatives. Selecting Christie as his VP candidate would be like giving up the finger and force enough of us to vote third party to get Zippy re-elected.

Mitt can push the “I’m not Obama so I can do whatever I want and you’ll still vote for me” meme only so far without it blowing up in his face.

bw222 on August 6, 2012 at 10:53 PM

Mitt can push the “I’m not Obama so I can do whatever I want and you’ll still vote for me” meme only so far without it blowing up in his face.

bw222 on August 6, 2012 at 10:53 PM

The problem with that strategy is that sooner or later something will break Obama’s way, or Romney will make a bad mistake and that muted dislike will erupt, as you say. He needed to shore up that conservative support and so far hasn’t done it.

sharrukin on August 6, 2012 at 10:59 PM

No, just no.

We’ve just started warming up to Romney, putting a RINO even more left than himself will be devastating.

AZfederalist on August 6, 2012 at 11:09 PM

The silk suited rino bastids are going to pick a scmuck like this guy and make certain they will be the party to have destroyed the United States. The worst political party EVAH! Wimpy, establishment, low lifes. Republican scumbag losers are giving our children’s lives to these devils.

frizzbee on August 6, 2012 at 11:20 PM

No way a safe boring guy like Romney is going to pick a loose cannon like Christie. He’s either going to pick Portman, Pawlenty, or Rubio.

SoulGlo on August 7, 2012 at 1:04 AM

Rubio
Jindal
Christie
Ryan

In that order, pretty please.

Christie would not be a bad choice at all IMO.

Mittens needs a media savvy attack dog. Christie fits the bill as well as anyone out there.

Just please don’t let it be Portman or Pawlentzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

thurman on August 7, 2012 at 1:49 AM

If tea partiers are willing to line up behind the guy who signed off on RomneyCare in the interest of bouncing The One, adding a guy to the ticket who believes in global warming isn’t going to deter them. The question at this point is, simply, would Christie increase Romney’s chances of winning more than any of the other shortlisters?

Believing in Global Warming is not the same as believing in Cap and Trade, or Amnesty, or Ground Zero mosques

Christie is in the ‘we cant send them back’ model while Romney followed the intent of immigration law in his State

That translates to Christie wanting to avoid standing law in the interest of his needs. Christie would deflate Romney’s image.

Romney has stayed out of the mindset that blew up McCain with Tea Party, while Christie is firmly documented to be in the Club. The Club’s condescending attitude towards Tea Party is toxic

To duplicate the McCain problem is foolish, because it would prove you are ignoring the Tea Party and therefore untrustworthy

entagor on August 7, 2012 at 1:49 AM

Some folks may consider withdrawing support. These two on a ticket is no good.

Bmore on August 7, 2012 at 2:07 AM

2 anti-gun republicans on the same ticket.

yeah, that’ll bring in the voters.

/sarc

warhorse_03826 on August 7, 2012 at 2:21 AM

Romney is a wimp who has no core and lacks the courage to stand for anything.

That’s why he needs to choose Paul Ryan.
The world will then know where he stands, and with whom … i.e. the 2010 GOP House.

mlindroo on August 7, 2012 at 5:10 AM

Very few things could keep me from voting for Romney. This is one.

swinia sutki on August 7, 2012 at 5:44 AM

Christie beats the crap out of Biden!

The VP is one thing Obama does not have going for him.

Sherman1864 on August 7, 2012 at 7:30 AM

Very few things could keep me from voting for Romney. This is one.
swinia sutki on August 7, 2012 at 5:44 AM

Apparently many things could stop you from voting for Romney. Witness your other post(s) and you know it.

Perhaps the fact you are actually a dem campaign-worker plant might be another reason??

Sherman1864 on August 7, 2012 at 7:34 AM

Apologies swinia! I completely confused you with another commenter! I retract my comment completely!!

Sherman1864 on August 7, 2012 at 7:40 AM

Apologies swinia! I completely confused you with another commenter! I retract my comment completely!!

Sherman1864 on August 7, 2012 at 7:40 AM

Maybe it would help if your retraction had come with one of these, : ) or maybe one of these, Lol!

Bmore on August 7, 2012 at 9:16 AM

Mittens needs a media savvy attack dog. Christie fits the bill as well as anyone out there.

Just please don’t let it be Portman or Pawlentzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

thurman on August 7, 2012 at 1:49 AM

He can bark at the bad guys from the neighbors lawn. I don’t trust him in my yard. Attack dogs often do grave harm to their owners. Be careful what you wish for. He has shown signs of great unreliability to the conservative cause — thinking he is the master.
We have enough misplaced arrogance in the White House now.

Don L on August 7, 2012 at 9:22 AM

No matter what you may think of Christie he is very important to republicans (and conservatism) in one major regard, stop being so scared of the media! We need a prosecuting attorney known for going after mobsters….

William Eaton on August 6, 2012 at 10:06 PM

It’s really hard to see why anyone thinks Christie is important as a VP because of his experience as a prosecuting attorney. sheesh – when did the VP job relocate to the DOJ?

Christie isn’t going to do anything for the parts of the base where Romney needs help. Much of what he’s done in NJ is bluster – more smoke than fire. Of curse he did just get a bill making tenure approval 4 years vice 3 for teachers. So if he “quits” on NJ at least we wil have gotten something from Mr. I’m going to finish what I started.

If anything he may be more of a squish than Mitt on social issues. Why give poor Mitt that big of load to carry – he needs help to balance the ticket and appeal to the voters that Mitt doesn’.

katiejane on August 7, 2012 at 9:26 AM

Know them by their deeds.

Not one of the evil things the commie thug Democrats have done to our Constitution, freedom and liberty, from LBJ to Carter to Clinton to Obama could have been done without some vote or two or three of the go along enableing RINO’s and moderate Republicans.

Without moderate aka RINO’s the Democrats do not have enough Americans behind them and do not have enough votes in the House and Senate.

We have a problem, we know what the problem is, why in the hell would we enable another moderate into a position of power.

We do know them by their actions and deeds.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on August 7, 2012 at 10:07 AM

Allen West is dead to me until he denounces and quits the Congressional Black Caucus. His rhetoric against the CBC is strong, but his continued membership in the racist organization speaks to his ranking the color of his skin over the content of his character.

I’d quit the KKK myself, but I look really good in white. /s

texacalirose on August 7, 2012 at 10:16 AM

Nonstop Fat Jokes in every media outlet in the known Universe until November and as long after as memory exists. Perfect.

SurferDoc on August 7, 2012 at 10:45 AM

I’m sticking with Condi Rice

Old eagle on August 7, 2012 at 10:52 AM

Can’t we just leave the VP spot open or go with the old darts at the phone book trick? We might at least get a real conservative by accident.

Don L on August 7, 2012 at 11:01 AM

Christie isn’t going to do anything for the parts of the base where Romney needs help.

katiejane on August 7, 2012 at 9:26 AM

He doesn’t have to … in case you haven’t noticed here – Willard and his campaign DO NOT care about the base – they care about independents and putting a gun control advocate on the ticket covers a particular part of the spectrum of indies who support gun control laws.

See – it’s like this. We TEND to think that those who vote Dimmocrit are mindless drones while GOP voters are “thinking” people. The case is quite the opposite though. The voting base of the Dimmocritic party is FOR big government and they have historically voted FOR people who’ve actually DELIVERED on the promise of big government. In short – if you don’t perform to the standards the base expects you to perform to in the Dimmocritic party – you lose your job and you’re replaced.

Not so in the GOP. The GOP has promised smaller government for 50 years and never once delivered on it. When the GOP had complete control of the government (2000-2006) they gave us the TSA, No Child Left Behind, Medicare Part D (unfunded – the biggest expansion of government since LBJ), a FAILED Freddie and Fannie Mae which they knew was broken but did nothing about, and attempted to pass an amnesty bill which was only defeated when guys like Rush Limbaugh and Levin made a white knuckle on air campaign to defeat.

And yet …

Conservative Slaves continue to go to the polls like zombies to cast a glassy-eyed vote for GOP Ayatollahs that lie to them.

“They’re better than the Dems” … this is the only rationale they can give. They’ve been saying this for over 20 years since Reagan and it hasn’t produced smaller government – it’s only kept the GOP Ayatollahs in power.

One day they’ll wake up and realize that you cannot save the nation until you cut the cancer out of the Republican party. And you can’t do that by continuing to elect these B-tards.

HondaV65 on August 7, 2012 at 11:04 AM

Whatever!

To all Republicans in MO … please don’t forget to vote for Sarah Steelman!

TheAlamos on August 7, 2012 at 11:06 AM

HondaV65 on August 7, 2012 at 11:04 AM

Well said, and the cure is replacement, replacement, replacement. Don’t let them ever not fear the footsteps behind them with the pitchforks and torches.

Which is why they so fear Sarah Palin–one of the few lweaders who dared to take on her own party (and is paying the price for it)

Don L on August 7, 2012 at 11:12 AM

It’s too bad Christie supports radical Islam. It’s a far greater threat to our future than mobsters.

bw222 on August 6, 2012 at 10:42 PM

He does not support “radical Islam” (whatever the hell that is, Islam is Islam), but he is ignorant on the subject of Islam and danger it represents, no doubt about that. However, I can put that aside for now. If we don’t retake the presidency Obama will have destroyed this country so fully that it won’t matter. I am willing to gamble on Christie (and Romney for that matter) and hope they come to their senses on that subject.

Plus Christie is no worse than all the other “VP candidates” that are floating out there, with the exception of Jindal and maybe Ryan, when it comes to understanding Islam. Portman is a bigger problem than Christie…he is a Dick Cheney groupie!

William Eaton on August 7, 2012 at 11:24 AM

Nonstop Fat Jokes in every media outlet in the known Universe until November and as long after as memory exists. Perfect.

SurferDoc on August 7, 2012 at 10:45 AM

Fat jokes would help Romney/Christie….

There are a lots of “fat” Americans out there…

William Eaton on August 7, 2012 at 11:27 AM

The only edge Romney has on Obama is the “ABO” crowd who
are mostly conservatives.

Therefore, to come to an obvious conclusion, Romney needs to
pick a conservative VP in order to encourage those that dislike
him to varying degrees to come out to vote.

Conservatives are infuriated over the treatment of Palin by
the rino crowd, aren’t enamored over Romney’s record as well
as the rinos in congress, and are extremely pissed off.

Romney Mittbotts can talk about the “independents” all they want,
however, it is the conservatives they need to pay attention to.

Amjean on August 7, 2012 at 11:30 AM

Seriously-attack him on the issues-not his weight.

annoyinglittletwerp on August 6, 2012 at 5:52 PM

Yeah, the way you’ve always attacked Sarah Palin, strictly on the issues. Right.

Anyway, looks like Mitt’s having some problems in the polls recently. Even trailing in the Rasmussen daily. That had better be one heck of a GOP convention later this month.

ddrintn on August 7, 2012 at 11:33 AM

Amjean on August 7, 2012 at 11:30 AM

Spot on.

Romney should be running away with the polls.

kingsjester on August 7, 2012 at 11:36 AM

We’re three months out from election day and Romney’s favorables are still upside down.

Shocka!!!, by the way. Given all the pro-Romney bleating over the past three years, I would’ve thought that at least 75% of the country were going to love them some Mitt. I mean, there was no down-side to nominating the guy. Lead-pipe cinch.

ddrintn on August 7, 2012 at 11:39 AM

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