Quotes of the day

posted at 8:01 pm on August 5, 2012 by Allahpundit

[T]hose who fall within the base of the Democratic Party tend not to bite quite as quickly on an unsubstantiated accusation [as Republicans do] — even when the charges are being proposed by their own side. It’s just not the way these folks play the political game and, if truth be told, they are embarrassed that their party has chosen to sign up for the event in the first place.

If you doubt this, good luck finding a Democratic leader willing to stand up for Harry Reid and his unproven accusations.

***

Obama campaign adviser David Axelrod on Sunday did not disavow claims made by Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) that Mitt Romney did not pay taxes for 10 years, although he didn’t indicate that the campaign had reason to believe the claims are true.

“I don’t know who Harry was talking to,” Axelrod told Chris Wallace on “Fox News Sunday.” “The point here, though, Chris, is the Romney campaign and Gov. Romney can resolve this in 10 seconds – they can release the tax returns.”…

“Why don’t they just put this to rest?” he said. “What is it that he’s hiding?”

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Democratic National Committee chair Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz, D-Fla., who appeared on “This Week” before Priebus, declined to criticize Reid and said that Romney could clear the air by releasing more returns.

“I do know that Mitt Romney could clear this up in 10 seconds by releasing the 23 years of tax returns that he gave to John McCain when he was being vetted for vice president. Or even 12 years of tax returns that his own father said were what was appropriate. Because one year of tax returns, like he’s released, could just be for show,” said Wasserman Schultz, who added that she does not know Reid’s source.”Like the overwhelming majority of voters believe, because the polls all show, that Mitt Romney owes us more than one year of tax returns. Owes us answers to questions about his overseas investments, owes us answers to questions about why he’s decided to invest in foreign countries, as opposed to investing in the United States.”

***

Schieffer compared the whole controversy with Reid and Romney to the days of Joe McCarthy.

“Isn’t this kind of like Joe McCarthy back in the era when he said, ‘I have in my hand the names of 400 people in the State Department who are communists’? It turns out he didn’t, and he was saying that the way to prove that they’re not is for them to come forward there. I mean, asking somebody to come forward just because there’s been an unsubstantiated charge, that’s a little thin to me.”

[Former Ohio Gov. Ted] Strickland insisted that the people “deserve to know” what is in Romney’s taxes, and defended Reid by saying that Romney’s lack of transparency on his returns “invites speculation.”

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Candy Crowley, CNN: To the propriety of the leader of the Democrats in the Senate accusing, based on a source, the Republican nominee of not paying any taxes for 10 years, is that something that Chicago has encouraged? Do you want him to stop?

Robert Gibbs: Let’s be clear, I don’t think anybody controls Harry Reid.

Crowley: But if you asked him to stop, he would.

Gibbs: Again, put the tax returns out. Put this whole thing to rest. Candy, have you ever seen anybody go to such great lengths to not put something out? And when you generally don’t put something out, isn’t it because you’re generally hiding something?

***

Robert Gibbs on CNN and David Axelrod on Fox in their own Sunday turns expertly avoided commenting on Reid’s tactics (although they were asked to repeatedly) and did their more-in-sadness-than-in-anger act suggesting that all Romney has to do is release more years and everything will be just fine.

But it is all status quo: Romney has no intention of releasing additional years; the media will keep demanding it; most Republicans will quietly gripe that Romney has handled this all badly; many Republicans will quietly argue that Romney should and will put out additional years; a few Republicans will continue to break ranks and publicly urge Romney to put out additional years; the Obama campaign and the White House will continue to laugh and laugh and laugh at how easily they have hijacked the debate, moved the spotlight off the economy, and put Romney on the defensive; and polls will show a mixed verdict on if the matter is hurting Romney or not.

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Via Mediaite.


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BTW, the reason these despicable lowlifes are alleging Mitt’s father George Romney would he’d be ashamed of Mitt is because his father is a stellar civil rights figure and an all around great man – and they can’t allow voters to think Mitt could be like his father or feel any such nostalgic emotions. Therefore they have to invent some disgusting theory that the great George Romney would be ashamed to see his son.

Oh well. O’s father is no doubt proud of him. He took his Communist ideology and penchant for lies and deception and ran with it.

Buy Danish on August 5, 2012 at 9:46 PM

kim roy on August 5, 2012 at 9:43 PM

My pleasure.

thatsafactjack on August 5, 2012 at 9:50 PM

Terrye on August 5, 2012 at 9:42 PM

Terry, you have a point that the Dems could possibly beat the dead horse of his tax returns until the cows come home, depending to some degree on what’s actually in them.
But so what is Mitt to do to get out of the fix? Does he have the character to bring the fight on and win it? If not, just release them now and quit the interminable chalkboard scratching. Or, as magicbeans has suggested, why not suggest O release his transcripts etc in exchange? I think Mitt’s transcripts, all of them, have been released. Not O’s!

anotherJoe on August 5, 2012 at 9:55 PM

Oh well. O’s father…………..

Frank?

PappyD61 on August 5, 2012 at 9:57 PM

“I do know that Mitt Romney could clear this up in 10 seconds by releasing the 23 years of tax returns that he gave to John McCain when he was being vetted for vice president. Or even 12 years of tax returns that his own father said were what was appropriate. Because one year of tax returns, like he’s released, could just be for show,” said Wasserman Schultz, who added that she does not know Reid’s source.”Like the overwhelming majority of voters believe, because the polls all show, that Mitt Romney owes us more than one year of tax returns. Owes us answers to questions about his overseas investments, owes us answers to questions about why he’s decided to invest in foreign countries, as opposed to investing in the United States.”

Ouch! Debbie Wasserman Shultz is a despicable person, but this time she’s right. People have a right to make an informed choice for President, do they not? I remember back in ’08 all of my Republican friends here would have agreed with me, and we were doing everything they could to try to inform people about Obama and expose his secrets. I agreed with them then, but now Republicans seem to have switched side and they are making Hope and Change arguments for Romney just like the arguments Obama supporters made back in ’08.

Sorry, but the more information people have about these candidates that run for office, the more likely we are to avoid mistakes like Obama, which is exactly what I think Romney is, too.

FloatingRock on August 5, 2012 at 10:00 PM

bluefox on August 5, 2012 at 9:29 PM

McCain has tried to say there is nothing there…but it is not as if the media is hanging on his every word.

Terrye on August 5, 2012 at 9:34 PM

Well, if McCain wanted to make a statement he could go on the floor of the Senate as Reid did. McCain had no problem attacking Bachmann from there regarding the Muslim Brotherhood issue.

bluefox on August 5, 2012 at 10:01 PM

Do we have all of Goofy Johnson’s tax returns?

slickwillie2001 on August 5, 2012 at 10:02 PM

Release your tax returns, Romney. Your father did, you should to. Don’t let the election devolve into this farce, take the high road like your father did and do the best thing for the country, or if you really are hiding something, then withdraw from the race.

FloatingRock on August 5, 2012 at 10:02 PM

Do we have all of Goofy Johnson’s tax returns?

slickwillie2001 on August 5, 2012 at 10:02 PM

I don’t know, maybe the “news” channels should ask him.

FloatingRock on August 5, 2012 at 10:03 PM

Release your tax returns, Romney. Your father did, you should to. Don’t let the election devolve into this farce, take the high road like your father did and do the best thing for the country, or if you really are hiding something, then withdraw from the race.

FloatingRock on August 5, 2012 at 10:02 PM

Useful idiot. Nice to see you join forces with dirty Harry..that tells us all who you really are.

Terrye on August 5, 2012 at 10:05 PM

I don’t want Gov. Romney to release his tax returns at this point. It’s a matter of principle. It might be good to take, say, around ten years and just announce the total of taxes he paid.

Cindy Munford on August 5, 2012 at 10:06 PM

FloatingRock on August 5, 2012 at 10:02 PM

Does Gov. Johnson were a toupee?

Cindy Munford on August 5, 2012 at 10:07 PM

Useful idiot. Nice to see you join forces with dirty Harry..that tells us all who you really are.

Terrye on August 5, 2012 at 10:05 PM

You’re the one espousing Hope and Change excuses for you candidate to keep secrets. If either of us is for Obama and the Democrats it’s you.

FloatingRock on August 5, 2012 at 10:07 PM

Mitt needs to give a speech and basically say I will not give into Chicago thug style threats and intimidation.

Then point out everything they are hiding.

Guy would pick up 10 points in a heartbeat.

gophergirl on August 5, 2012 at 8:52 PM

exactly, point to the mccarthyst tactics by the Dims, (I think Schieffer on CBS News already called them that), reason why he would not give in, considering the Solyndra and F & F missing docs, and let the public decide who’s hiding what from whom…I don’t understand why the Romney campaign doesn’t push this line of argument more aggressively…

jimver on August 5, 2012 at 10:08 PM

Mitt should also start saying that while the democrats are only focused on my tax return – I’m focused on improving the tax returns for millions of Americans.

gophergirl on August 5, 2012 at 8:56 PM

..GiGi, et al,

As some have conjectured, Romney could be preparing for the so-called “big snap-back”. You know, where he does release the taxes and they turn out to be a big nothing-burger. However, I don’t think so, because further feeding this vicious maw would draw out this drama further — and the resultant din could drown out and de-focus attention away from Obama’s pathetic record.

Romney’s about two weeks away from speeding up the burn on his campaign and one has to believe that internal polls are telling him he can keep his powder dry until then.

Probably also telling him that the people want a problem solver this time and the more whiny noises Obama makes the more it will fall on deaf ears.

The War Planner on August 5, 2012 at 10:10 PM

Floating Rock and Goofey Johnson. Like we don’t know what’s goin’ on with you.
Wolfmoon was right again. Maybe we should changed the subject so these folks who will essentially be delivering a vote for Obama don’t have a platform to spill their nonsense.

gracie on August 5, 2012 at 10:10 PM

You’re the one espousing Hope and Change excuses for you candidate to keep secrets. If either of us is for Obama and the Democrats it’s you.

FloatingRock on August 5, 2012 at 10:07 PM

Oh my, Gerald Johansen supporters employing alinsky.

tom daschle concerned on August 5, 2012 at 10:10 PM

You’re the one espousing Hope and Change excuses for you candidate to keep secrets. If either of us is for Obama and the Democrats it’s you.

FloatingRock on August 5, 2012 at 10:07 PM

Secrets? What secrets? He has turned over everything the law requires that he turn over…for a socalled libertarian you sure are into telling other people what to do.

Terrye on August 5, 2012 at 10:11 PM

I hear that Johnson is insane.so unless he releases all of his medical records ASAP I will just have to assume he is hiding something.

Terrye on August 5, 2012 at 10:12 PM

I don’t want Gov. Romney to release his tax returns at this point. It’s a matter of principle. It might be good to take, say, around ten years and just announce the total of taxes he paid.

Cindy Munford on August 5, 2012 at 10:06 PM

I don’t want him to either.

This is nothing but class warfare magnified 1000x.

gophergirl on August 5, 2012 at 10:12 PM

FloatingRock on August 5, 2012 at 10:00 PM

Your proposal that Romney release his tax returns…
confirms the truth that he shouldn’t.

22044 on August 5, 2012 at 10:13 PM

Does Gov. Johnson were a toupee?
Cindy Munford on August 5, 2012 at 10:07 PM

This is a very important question to research and answer. Thank you.

gracie on August 5, 2012 at 10:13 PM

You’re the one espousing Hope and Change excuses for you candidate to keep secrets. If either of us is for Obama and the Democrats it’s you.

FloatingRock on August 5, 2012 at 10:07 PM

there’s no ‘secret’, the law does not require him to release more than 1 year of tax returns, he conformed/complied, there’s no need for him to release anything else….do you volunteer information about yourself to the authorities or to strangers, that the law does not require you to?? do you put your tax returns on the internet for all the neighbors and colleagues to see that you have nothing to hide??? :-) yeah, I thought so…then why should he?? (and pls, don’t give me the public figure crap, he follows the law as a public figure, he put put one year of tax returns as the law requires, and that’s that, you cannot argue with that)…so, there…

jimver on August 5, 2012 at 10:14 PM

I just don’t see anyone walking into the voting booth thinking that they want to vote for Mitt or thinking they want to vote against the Light Bringer…but then saying I just can’t because Mitt only released two years of tax returns. Let the thugs be thugs.

d1carter on August 5, 2012 at 10:14 PM

Oh my, Gerald Johansen supporters employing alinsky.

tom daschle concerned on August 5, 2012 at 10:10 PM

*snap!*

..oh yeah, Godfrey Jamison! Wasn’t he running in the (R) primary along with Joseph Huntsman of something?

The War Planner on August 5, 2012 at 10:15 PM

Robert Gibbs: “Candy, have you ever seen anybody go to such great lengths to not put something out?”

WTF does that mean? Romney said he’s not releasing any more returns. In what way is that going to “such great lengths”? These guys are grasping at thin air. All “dirty liars”, if you ask me.

Paul-Cincy on August 5, 2012 at 10:15 PM

Oh my, Gerald Johansen supporters employing alinsky.

tom daschle concerned on August 5, 2012 at 10:10 PM

That didn’t take long.

22044 on August 5, 2012 at 10:15 PM

‘put out’ that is…

jimver on August 5, 2012 at 10:16 PM

[T]hose who fall within the base of the Democratic Party tend not to bite quite as quickly on an unsubstantiated accusation [as Republicans do] — even when the charges are being proposed by their own side. It’s just not the way these folks play the political game and, if truth be told, they are embarrassed that their party has chosen to sign up for the event in the first place.

Absolutely right. Wait, what? Forbes actually published something so demonstrably false that it doesn’t pass the giggle test, even at first glance?

Wasserman Schultz, Gibbs, and Axelrod don’t seem to be very embarrassed here.

Don’t bite on unsubstantiated accusations? Really? Let’s see, just off the top of my head:
1. Robert Bork and unsubstantiated accusations from Teddy Kennedy torpedoed his nomination to the Supreme Court.
2. They tried the same thing with Clarence Thomas but weren’t successful. Anybody else remember the pubic hair on my Coca Cola comment?
3. When trying to smear Reagan with the “secret SR-71 trip” by George Bush Sr., it wasn’t “the truth of the accusation, but the seriousness of the charge” that called for an investigation
4. What was it that they were trying to do to GW Bush and all they got was a trumped up process crime out of Scooter Libby?

Really? The media thinks people are such idiots that they won’t be laughing in the aisles for such a stupid opening paragraph? “don’t bite quickly indeed” what a crock

AZfederalist on August 5, 2012 at 10:16 PM

davidk on August 5, 2012 at 9:34 PM

davidk on August 5, 2012 at 9:36 PM

Thanks for both of those links. Just read them. So they want to reject what McCain had to say. In that case I’m with Romney, put up or shut up. Romney better not cave on this because they will pick those returns apart and it will be the topic now until doomsday.

bluefox on August 5, 2012 at 10:16 PM

gracie on August 5, 2012 at 10:13 PM

LOL! No it’s not. This guy might be our next Ross Perot.

Cindy Munford on August 5, 2012 at 10:17 PM

Does Gov. Johnson were a toupee?

Cindy Munford on August 5, 2012 at 10:07 PM

This is a very important question to research and answer. Thank you.

gracie on August 5, 2012 at 10:13 PM

..don’t all pederasts? Oh, wait! That was Harry Reid!

What? What? Harry Reid wears a rug?

The War Planner on August 5, 2012 at 10:17 PM

..oh yeah, Godfrey Jamison! Wasn’t he running in the (R) primary along with Joseph Huntsman of something?

The War Planner on August 5, 2012 at 10:15 PM

yeah, until he drowned in his own irrelevance and then he figured he was a libertarian :)…

jimver on August 5, 2012 at 10:17 PM

I don’t think the President graduated from college.

He could resolve all of this by releasing his transcripts.

Sgt Steve on August 5, 2012 at 10:18 PM

That this manufactured story lives on at all is proof that using distractions as a strategy, no matter how dirty and vile, work.

Difficultas_Est_Imperium on August 5, 2012 at 10:20 PM

gophergirl on August 5, 2012 at 10:12 PM

It could be an option if this doesn’t fade out. It is interesting how all the press remonstrations only seem to keep it front and center.

Cindy Munford on August 5, 2012 at 10:20 PM

The War Planner on August 5, 2012 at 10:17 PM

Naw, he’s just goofing looking on his own.

Cindy Munford on August 5, 2012 at 10:21 PM

2. They tried the same thing with Clarence Thomas but weren’t successful. Anybody else remember the pubic hair on my Coca Cola comment?

AZfederalist on August 5, 2012 at 10:16 PM

..that was an alleged comment. But I take your point, AZ.

The War Planner on August 5, 2012 at 10:21 PM

Sorry, but the more information people have about these candidates that run for office, the more likely we are to avoid mistakes like Obama, which is exactly what I think Romney is, too.

FloatingRock on August 5, 2012 at 10:00 PM

oh, really, then let the Dims ‘dug’ that info, let them leak Romney’s tax returns, will see how that goes with the public…but he has no obligation to put anything more out there…

jimver on August 5, 2012 at 10:22 PM

It could be an option if this doesn’t fade out. It is interesting how all the press remonstrations only seem to keep it front and center.

Cindy Munford on August 5, 2012 at 10:20 PM

That’s why I think he has to tell them to “pound sand” one more time.

Probably won’t happen but sure wish it would.

gophergirl on August 5, 2012 at 10:23 PM

..yeah, until he drowned in his own irrelevance and then he figured he was a libertarian :)…

jimver on August 5, 2012 at 10:17 PM

in all fairness, Jim, Johan Johnstone did come out with a pretty funny line about his dog producing more shovel-ready jobs than Obama’s stimulus.

The War Planner on August 5, 2012 at 10:24 PM

I don’t want Gov. Romney to release his tax returns at this point. It’s a matter of principle. It might be good to take, say, around ten years and just announce the total of taxes he paid.

Cindy Munford on August 5, 2012 at 10:06 PM

Exactly. I figure the number is between $30 and $60 million.

Buy Danish on August 5, 2012 at 10:28 PM

You’re the one espousing Hope and Change excuses for you candidate to keep secrets. If either of us is for Obama and the Democrats it’s you.

FloatingRock on August 5, 2012 at 10:07 PM

John McCain released precisely 2 years of tax returns in 2008, which is the same number that Mitt Romney will have released prior to the election. Did you demand 25 years of him?

Harry Reid said:

“The word’s out that he hasn’t (present tense) paid ANY taxes for 10 years. Let him prove that he has paid taxes, because he hasn’t.”

That’s a flat out lie…and one that is demonstrably so…

Romney paid $3,009,766 in Federal income taxes in 2010.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/documents/romney-2010-tax-return.html

He paid $3,226,623 in Federal income taxes in 2011.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/documents/romney-2011-estimated-1040.html

Further, the whole “investor” thing is ludicrous, too. What investor is privy to the individual tax returns or lack thereof of the ownership of an investment firm … especially when the alleged tax evader hasn’t been involved in the management of the company for more than a decade?

Lastly, after Reid made his accusation, the Salon.com writer Alex Seitz-Wald consulted several tax attorneys about its theoretical plausibility and determined that it was “nothing short of ludicrous.”

Resist We Much on August 5, 2012 at 10:29 PM

Buy Danish on August 5, 2012 at 10:28 PM

Somehow the media would conflate that figure to money stolen directly from the lower and middle class. I know it doesn’t make any sense, but with our media, it doesn’t have to.

Cindy Munford on August 5, 2012 at 10:32 PM

bluefox on August 5, 2012 at 9:29 PM

McCain has already said that there’s nothing there, but we shouldn’t expect the liberal media to give McCain’s statement much play. They are desperately fighting for little Bammie.

slickwillie2001 on August 5, 2012 at 9:45 PM

Yes, after reading those two articles that davidk linked to, I agree. There has to be a way to shut this down.

bluefox on August 5, 2012 at 10:37 PM

One of ‘ems my fave: Mia Love in Utah!

The War Planner on August 5, 2012 at 10:34 PM

I hope she pulls it off – LOVE her!

gophergirl on August 5, 2012 at 10:37 PM

I’ve owned stock in Apple, GE, Haliburton, Microsoft, etc., and I have never been privy to the individual tax returns of the members of the board and management of any of those companies.

Resist We Much on August 5, 2012 at 10:45 PM

..that was an alleged comment. But I take your point, AZ.

The War Planner on August 5, 2012 at 10:21 PM

Yes, that was my point. All of those alleged comments were given great weight and consideration. The dems jumped all over anything that would place a conservative in a bad light. Thus the silliness and fraud of the Forbes article. Completely 180 degrees out of phase with reality.

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canopfor on August 5, 2012 at 10:52 PM

Somehow the media would conflate that figure to money stolen directly from the lower and middle class. I know it doesn’t make any sense, but with our media, it doesn’t have to.

Cindy Munford on August 5, 2012 at 10:32 PM

Exactly, only Democrats consider obeying tax laws often written by and signed into law by other Democrats to be criminal and/or immoral…when Republicans do it.

When Democrats, like Tax Cheat Geithner, do not obey tax laws often written by and signed into law by other Democrats or Republicans, it is grounds for a promotion.

“Anyone may arrange his affairs so that his taxes shall be as low as possible; he is not bound to choose that pattern which best pays the treasury. There is not even a patriotic duty to increase one’s taxes.

Over and over again, the courts have said that there is nothing sinister in so arranging his affairs as to keep taxes as low as possible. Everyone does it, rich and poor alike and all do right, for nobody owes any public duty to pay more than the law demands.”

- Judge Learned Hand, a Progressive, who has been quoted more often than any other lower-court judge by legal scholars and by the Supreme Court of the United States in history

Resist We Much on August 5, 2012 at 10:53 PM

Dear Leader:
Please explain to us, in your own words, how you obtained a Connecticut SSN, when you have never lived there.

skeeterbite on August 5, 2012 at 10:57 PM

Where does it end?

Free throw % on the high school basketball team?
bowling scores?
Tony Rezko transactions?
SAT scores?
Number of step-cousins?
Number of terrorist friends?
Number of sons sired versus number of daughters?

This should keep the DNC busy until Election Day.

Drained Brain on August 5, 2012 at 11:00 PM

canopfor on August 5, 2012 at 10:52 PM

Huckabee? Doesn’t Mitt hate him?

KCB on August 5, 2012 at 11:00 PM

Anybody watch Army Wives on here?

Holy ending Batman.

gophergirl on August 5, 2012 at 11:03 PM

It’s really obvious Team O doesn’t care about the taxes Mitt has paid. They only want to harp on the money that he made and sheltered to pay those taxes. Makes for an exponential class warfare argument every year he releases. Hold on to them Mitt. Announce your VP pick next week and keep on distracting them with “you didn’t build that”, the increasing unemployment rate and anything else you can throw at them.

gracie on August 5, 2012 at 11:04 PM

canopfor on August 5, 2012 at 10:52 PM

Well we know who is out of the running for VP.

gophergirl on August 5, 2012 at 11:06 PM

gracie on August 5, 2012 at 11:04 PM

Exactly.

KCB on August 5, 2012 at 11:06 PM

canopfor on August 5, 2012 at 10:52 PM

Uh oh, didn’t see Sarah’s name there. Maybe she’s going to introduce Romney as someone said. They better find a spot for her, that’s all I have to say!!

Anyway, I can do without Huckabee and Haley.

My two cents:-)

bluefox on August 5, 2012 at 11:07 PM

Canopfor
Kasich has been a damn good governor for Ohio………..I’d take him for VP……..;-)

angrymike on August 5, 2012 at 11:08 PM

“You have the power to make this all stop. Just give us what we want and the pain ends.”

Words of a terrorist and a torturer.

Dirt McGirt on August 5, 2012 at 11:10 PM

canopfor on August 5, 2012 at 10:52 PM

Huckabee? Doesn’t Mitt hate him?

KCB on August 5, 2012 at 11:00 PM

KCB:Gawd only knows!

canopfor on August 5, 2012 at 11:11 PM

Canopfor
Kasich has been a damn good governor for Ohio………..I’d take him for VP……..;-)

angrymike on August 5, 2012 at 11:08 PM

No, you can’t have him:-)

bluefox on August 5, 2012 at 11:11 PM

canopfor on August 5, 2012 at 10:52 PM

Well we know who is out of the running for VP.

gophergirl on August 5, 2012 at 11:06 PM

gophergirl:

D*mmitt,I was hoping for Capt’n Queeg,of the Mc…Cains mutiny Repeat!
(sarc).

canopfor on August 5, 2012 at 11:12 PM

Canopfor
Kasich has been a damn good governor for Ohio………..I’d take him for VP……..;-)

angrymike on August 5, 2012 at 11:08 PM

angrymike:

Interesting,anybody other than GaffeBiden would be an
improvement!:)

canopfor on August 5, 2012 at 11:14 PM

no one should be making any excuses for Mitt. Reid’s allegation was patently absurd. If we let a bunch of smug, sanctimonious @ssholes dictate the conversation we lose. We shouldn’t even be talking about this. It’s freakin’ beyond stupid. Their gaffeappalooza stunt failed miserably so they reverted to the taxes.

idiots. all of them.

Slade73 on August 5, 2012 at 11:14 PM

Bluefish
I already got him, I live outside Cleveland ………..,.;-)

angrymike on August 5, 2012 at 11:16 PM

T-minus 2 Hrs and sumpin(13) minutes!

http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/index.html

canopfor on August 5, 2012 at 11:17 PM

what up angry motha effa

Slade73 on August 5, 2012 at 11:17 PM

Blue fox
I’m sorry, not bluefish, damn spell check……..;-)

angrymike on August 5, 2012 at 11:18 PM

Otay H/A Crew,I’m bailing out,

don’t forget,Mars Mission…”Curiosity”,in about two hours,
more linkys on the Mars Rover thread thingy!

Nite All,tomorrow is going to be an interesting day——–:)

canopfor on August 5, 2012 at 11:19 PM

Slade ski
how goes it? Still dating the big girl?¿????????

angrymike on August 5, 2012 at 11:21 PM

Anybody watch Army Wives on here?

Holy ending Batman.

gophergirl on August 5, 2012 at 11:03 PM

Indeed… and it was NOT the season ender. Though they did allude to who won’t be with us next week and it ain’t either one of the two who took a bullet.

Love that show. They really follow military (and specifically Army) protocol.

VietVet_Dave on August 5, 2012 at 11:22 PM

Goodnight Canada…………;-)

angrymike on August 5, 2012 at 11:24 PM

Hillary Clinton deploys UAV drone to keep track of Bill Clinton: Secretary of State Clinton Holds Small US-Made Drone

slickwillie2001 on August 5, 2012 at 11:24 PM

you know it Mike…I like ‘em large and in charge

Slade73 on August 5, 2012 at 11:27 PM

Blue fox
I’m sorry, not bluefish, damn spell check……..;-)

angrymike on August 5, 2012 at 11:18 PM

I saw that, LOL Don’t get me confused with that other “fish”!!

I’m in Ohio too and supported Kasich. So glad he was elected!
Right now we want Josh Mandel to rid us of Senator Brown!!!!

bluefox on August 5, 2012 at 11:27 PM

Indeed… and it was NOT the season ender. Though they did allude to who won’t be with us next week and it ain’t either one of the two who took a bullet.

Love that show. They really follow military (and specifically Army) protocol.

VietVet_Dave on August 5, 2012 at 11:22 PM

Four more shows to go thank goodness.

I love it too. I starting watching the second year so I missed the beginning of it. Haven’t missed it since.

gophergirl on August 5, 2012 at 11:30 PM

canopfor on August 5, 2012 at 11:19 PM

G’nite! Thanks for the heads up on the Convention Speakers.

Where is Sarah? :-)

bluefox on August 5, 2012 at 11:30 PM

o/t, but I just had this thought and wanted to share it from another thread..

OMG reports of a 40ish white supremacist-a tattooed US Army veteran. Please let this not be true….Please please please let it be somebody named Akbar.

MaiDee on August 5, 2012 at 11:00 PM

This “Blame The Tea Party, Christians, Conservatives, Libertarians, Right-Wing, etc.” game reminds me of something the IRA once wrote to Margaret Thatcher. Following an unsuccessful terrorist attack, the IRA sent a letter to the Prime Minister that ended with:

“Today we were unlucky, but remember we only have to be lucky once. You will have to be lucky always.”

It is not enough that we protest peacefully and lack the violent record of the Left from assassinations to the WTO riots to the rapes and other violence of OWS, we have to cross our fingers and hope that no one even closely resembling the media’s caricature of us acts violently — even if he or she has NOTHING to do with us. On the other hand, the Left only has to be lucky once and they get to smear us with the “hate brush” even though we have nothing to do with any of this.

And, they get to do it while calling themselves the purveyors of all that is good and holy.

Disgusting…just like Harry Reid’s antics.

Resist We Much on August 5, 2012 at 11:34 PM

Bluefox
The way the media is running Josh down and the fool’s war chest ( Brown) its gonna be tough.
But we will try…….
I do not compare anyone with that rotting fish, it was spell check, I would never hurt a real conservative’s feelings……;-)

angrymike on August 5, 2012 at 11:35 PM

Am I the only who thinks that voters aren’t going to care about whether Mitt has released 2 or 10 years worth of tax returns? I have never given any consideration to the volume of tax returns released when I was making a choice of who to vote for. Axelrod, DWS, Gibbs et al. can try to make everyone care about this….but in the end I’m having a hard time believing that they will.

lynncgb on August 5, 2012 at 11:36 PM

Candy, have you ever seen anybody go to such great lengths to not put something out? And when you generally don’t put something out, isn’t it because you’re generally hiding something?

Uh, yeah, we have.

Ball is in your court now, Barack!

herm2416 on August 5, 2012 at 11:41 PM

bluefox on August 5, 2012 at 9:16 PM

Earlier there was an article by Guy Benson in the headlines..in that article he mentioned that someone from the McCain campaign had said not only did Romney pay taxes, he paid more than he probably had to. The media did not much seem to care what he said.

Terrye on August 5, 2012 at 9:22 PM

Oh, really? Well if that is true, why wouldn’t McCain get that out?
I would think this would be something to pursue.

Thanks.

bluefox on August 5, 2012 at 9:29 PM

Actually, bluefox, if you look at Romney’s 2010 tax returns, you can see that he pays more than he has to in taxes. One main thing is that in 2010 he paid taxes on $1 million of phantom income. “Phantom income” is money you get credited for having but don’t actually have. There are usually 2 ways you have phantom income. The first, (which is what happened to Romney in 2010) is that the way the tax code is set up, certain investment income that you don’t actually receive is counted as if you did receive it. Like I wrote, in 2010, Romney had $1 million worth of this kind of “income” and he paid taxes on that, even though he didn’t actually receive that income. The second way (which is not what happened in Romney’s case) is debt forgiveness — say you have a credit card with a $5000 balance & you make a deal with the bank to pay 50% of it for them to “forgive” or write off the rest — you are credited under the tax code of having income of $2500 (the amount the bank forgave) & you have to pay taxes on that.

Also, since I’m on the subject, the reason Romney’s effective tax rate for 2010 was approximate 14.5% is largely due to the fact that he actually gave more to charity than he paid in taxes that year (same thing for 2011, btw). When you are giving almost $4 million to charity in a year, you are going to have a huge cut in your effective tax rate.

You know, I really don’t blame the average voter for not knowing all that I just wrote above — Romney’s tax returns are almost 270 pages all together & this is complex stuff that most people don’t deal with filing their personal returns. However, people in the Obama camp know all this & people in the MSM *should* know all this — the fact that they misrepresent it and/or don’t explain it properly to the average voter, I hold them totally responsible for. That is why I am 100% in the camp that Romney should not release more tax returns — if he did, TeamObama will just misrepresent & lie about what is in them as they are with the 2010 return & the MSM will let them get away with it, as they are doing with the 2010 return.

BTW – hi AZFederalist! I wasn’t here last night, but saw your nice mention of me in the QOTD thread this a.m.– the good conversation we had the night before was definitely the highlight of that yucky thread for me too!

Dark Star on August 5, 2012 at 11:42 PM

The War Planner on August 5, 2012 at 10:10 PM

Great points, or should I say, great analysis of the tax return issue. One thing, though, about whether the electorate is looking for “a problem solver.” I’ve been going over that in my head for weeks since you mentioned it. I wonder. Maybe some. But other people may have their own pet issues. Maybe they don’t want people flowing across the border en masse. Or Obamacare, they want that to be gone. Whatever. My point would be to track on multiple issues, and fear is big. If people don’t fear O’s second term, he’s probably going to get reelected.
Also, my latest pet peeve is that I’m upset that O gave the Chick Fil A supporters the shove, apparently. It’s not that I’m a homophobe, whatever that means, but I’m like most everyone else who doesn’t want that going to an extreme, where the militants start to publicly smear us, and dictate a radical cultural change that gives a lot of people pause. More importantly, this (in)action by Romney seems to be proving a serious pre-existing doubt about Romney, that he won’t take a stand on important issues (which you know from my blog I don’t like candidates like that, and it’s uncanny I think how you could parallel between Romney & Carly Fiorina [yes, Fiorina was a more serious case]); and, which was also a fear on many, Romney seems to be seriously dissing his own base. I don’t know, as a fellow Californian, I was thinking you might have the answer to calm my concerns.

anotherJoe on August 5, 2012 at 11:43 PM

It’s really obvious Team O doesn’t care about the taxes Mitt has paid. They only want to harp on the money that he made and sheltered to pay those taxes. Makes for an exponential class warfare argument every year he releases. Hold on to them Mitt. Announce your VP pick next week and keep on distracting them with “you didn’t build that”, the increasing unemployment rate and anything else you can throw at them.

gracie on August 5, 2012 at 11:04 PM

I am repeating myself because i think this is the real reason why Team O is doing this and why Romney doesn’t want to release them. May I have a show of hands how many people out there in cyberworld or on this blog paid $3,000,000 (that’s right, I said 3 million dollars) in taxes last year? ….I’m waiting..still waiting….thought so. Class warfare to the 10th power will ensue.

gracie on August 5, 2012 at 11:44 PM

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm?

South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley and New Mexico Gov. Susana Martinez, the first female governors of their states, are among party leaders slated to address the gathering that begins Aug. 27. Martinez has the additional distinction of being the first female Hispanic governor in the country.

Former Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, the first black female to hold that job, is also scheduled to speak.

[snip]

When someone is announced as keynote speaker that could indicate that Romney has decided against that person as a running mate.

Sen. Marco Rubio of Florida and Rep. Paul Ryan of Wisconsin are both big names in the party believed to be among those Romney is weighing for the vice presidential slot or for the keynote address. New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie, Sen. Kelly Ayotte of New Hampshire and Sen. Rob Portman of Ohio also were noticeably absent from the slate of announced speakers and may be contenders for running mate.

SouthernGent on August 5, 2012 at 11:48 PM

This is it. If people don’t recoil in disgust at the Dems this time out, we’ve lost all moral bearings and any basis for sound self government.

paul1149 on August 5, 2012 at 11:49 PM

Dark Star on August 5, 2012 at 11:42 PM

Greetings to you as well. Been on and off here tonight. Good analysis of the complexity of Romney’s returns. I agree with you, the only purpose releasing more returns would accomplish would be to give the opposition something to distort. Comply with the legal requirements, push the real message on the economy and let the dems gnash their teeth over wanting more returns.

AZfederalist on August 5, 2012 at 11:52 PM

SouthernGent on August 5, 2012 at 11:48 PM

They are also featuring women by design….and guess whose design it was in the first place with both Martinez and Haley? You got it…Sarah Palin. Neither one of those women would be governors today without her. No one has ever done for women in high political office like Sarah has in 4 short years.

gracie on August 5, 2012 at 11:57 PM

This is it. If people don’t recoil in disgust at the Dems this time out, we’ve lost all moral bearings and any basis for sound self government.

paul1149 on August 5, 2012 at 11:49 PM

Nice, succinct statement. I find it troubling that the current democrat party has nearly 50% appeal (if it did not, then it could not win elections). Given what they stand for and are now openly pushing, that is a scary thought. I certainly hope that thinking democrats realize how radically left their leadership has drifted and the profound impact upon individual liberty that those leftists will have if they remain in power.

AZfederalist on August 5, 2012 at 11:57 PM

Bluefox
The way the media is running Josh down and the fool’s war chest ( Brown) its gonna be tough.
But we will try…….
I do not compare anyone with that rotting fish, it was spell check, I would never hurt a real conservative’s feelings……;-)

angrymike on August 5, 2012 at 11:35 PM

Oh, I’ve seen your posts and know it was just an error, n.p:-)
I know those ads for Brown and the ones against Mandel are lies.
I’ve followed Brown and his votes & when Voinovich was still in the Senate, they voted the same 99% of the time.

I was hoping Kasich and Romney would endorse Mandel or at least speak for him. Jim DeMint has some time back. Maybe we need to contact Sarah for Mandel. It’s a Senate race, after all.

bluefox on August 5, 2012 at 11:58 PM

Anyway, I can do without Huckabee and Haley.

My two cents:-)

bluefox on August 5, 2012 at 11:07 PM

I’ll throw in another 2¢ on that.

INC on August 6, 2012 at 12:05 AM

FloatingRock on August 5, 2012 at 10:07 PM

Oh my, Gerald Johansen supporters employing alinsky.

tom daschle concerned on August 5, 2012 at 10:10 PM

A+++

Del Dolemonte on August 6, 2012 at 12:12 AM

and the White House will continue to laugh and laugh and laugh at how easily they have hijacked the debate,

Not for nothing, but this is one of the dumbest things that Time hack Halperin has written — the WH isn’t laughing about squat — they are sweating & praying that this sticks because so far they’ve blown through $100 million in negative ads & nothing else has. If they actually had anything on Romney the wouldn’t have had to use that 2 bit thug Reid to McCarthy-him on the Senate floor.

Dark Star on August 6, 2012 at 12:15 AM

ACK my eyes my eyes

Just checked my Facebook feed and what do I see – the Obama family picture. My friends have got to stop liking his posts or at least warn a girl.

Sweet dreams all :)

gophergirl on August 6, 2012 at 12:15 AM

Ann Coulter has it right…….
This entire tax thing has nothing to do with tax returns – it is normal Chicago thug politics fom Axledouche and company. Dig and smear – thats their m.o. Remember McCain and his rumored affair? Thats how Oliar ascended to the Senate in the first place – DIRTY TRICK PREZ!!!

Now thats a super pac ad dying to be made- Ocommie and his shyster thug political ” tactics” that got him to where he is today. Now that would be an eye opener. Who could trust the fraud in WH after learning what his TRUE political character is all about. Same ol shtick from these Chicago corruptocrats -we can expect this and more until November. Morally bankrupt magic men trying too create illusion and distraction.

Alinsky 101

Begin the counter attacks NOW – demand a fast and furious data release to the American people – and without invoking the 5th amendment you democrite creeps.

FlaMurph on August 6, 2012 at 12:15 AM

Dark Star on August 5, 2012 at 11:42 PM

Believe it or not, I followed all of that:-) I agree he shouldn’t release any more than he has done. I would think that most all members of Congress have Tax Attorneys to handle their taxes and don’t even understand the Tax Laws! The MSM, hmmm ,if they are big income producers probably do too. They want Romney’s returns so they can nit pick from now until the election. They don’t have anything else.

There are many other topics that Romney can campaign on other than his own tax returns. Making ads are ok, but he needs to get out there and talk to the people!!!

He messed up this week on the CFA issue, i.e. Free Speech. He needs to address Traditional Marriage also. And if he or his handlers can’t figure out why he needs to do this, ask the people!! They will tell him.

bluefox on August 6, 2012 at 12:15 AM

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tom daschle concerned on August 6, 2012 at 12:17 AM

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