Super: Amazon & Wal-Mart team up to lobby for new online sales tax

posted at 3:07 pm on August 2, 2012 by Mary Katharine Ham

Keep your eye on the, ahem, “Marketplace Fairness Act” in Congress (S.1832). As Tim Carney of The Washington Examiner explains, we’ve all been ordering online for years with no sales tax because there is no federal sales tax, and a 1992 Supreme Court case ruled states can’t “collect sales taxes from a business [with] no physical presence in the state.”

Up until now, online sales tax bills have had a powerful opponent in Amazon, with the popular online retailer playing defense against efforts by powerful brick-and-mortar lobbyists working to get bigger government to handicap its new competitor. But now Amazon is switching sides.

You’ll never guess why:

In order to provide faster shipping, Amazon is building warehouses throughout the country. These warehouses constitute a “physical presence,” which requires them to collect sales taxes, in any event. So, if Amazon is going to have to collect sales taxes under the existing “physical presence” doctrine, it may as well try to expand online sales taxes to whack its smaller competitors who don’t have a 50-state network of giant warehouses.

The rest of the online retail industry remains on the anti-tax side. NetChoice, a coalition including other online retailers like eBay and Overstock.com, is fighting the “Marketplace Fairness” bill.

These are the typical battle lines in Washington: big business for big government, and smaller business for smaller government. And the bigs typically win.

Here’s Sen. Jim DeMint addressing Amazon’s change of heart at a hearing on the bill in the Senate Commerce Committee Wednesday. Key quote via Amanda Carpenter: “I’ve been here a long time and I’ve seen many businesses that used to be small, they grow. Then they use their political clout to come here, to advantage themselves and to erect barriers to entry for smaller companies.”

The deck was stacked against taxpayers at the hearing, with six tax supporters testifying and only one opponent on hand. But one of the tax’s supporters unwittingly offered the senators an object lesson in how difficult implementation of such a law might be:

Steven Bercu, CEO and co-owner of BookPeople book store in Austin, Texas, told the committee that he felt so strongly about collecting sales taxes that his business did so even for sales into states where he has no physical presence. He has no legal obligation to do so, but he likened it to a kind of civic obligation to support infrastructure and services in other states (nevermind the fact that shipping companies that help deliver his items already do plenty of that through income and gas tax burdens of their own).

The revelation of illegal tax collection came when Steve DelBianco, Executive Director of NetChoice, gave his testimony. In it, he presented a screenshot of a purchase he made on BookPeople’s website this morning which showed that he was charged what was purportedly Virginia state sales tax of 8.25%. There’s only one problem: Virginia’s sales tax is 5%. Mr. Bercu quickly proclaimed that a mistake had likely been made and that he’d look into it with the provider of the service that calculates sales tax collection for his business. It turns out that 8.25% is actually the prevailing sales tax rate in Austin, Texas, where BookPeople is physically located. In all likelihood, this is the source of the mix-up.

While it was somewhat amusing to uncover this mistake, it also suggests that the tax was illegally charged to DelBianco. If BookPeople collected and remitted on behalf of Virginia, they illegally overcharged him because no business can collect more than the legal sales tax rate. If they collected and remitted to Texas, they illegally charged DelBianco on a transaction which was not subject to sales tax. Under current law DelBianco has no sales or use tax obligation whatsoever in Texas and if BookPeople charged him one, that was just as illegal as a grocery store charging someone sales tax on something in a state where food is exempt from it.

As Andrew Moylan notes, “even the best of intentions can’t iron out mistakes resulting from the confusion of 9,600 taxing jurisdictions with different rules across the country.” The Senate’s bill is branded as an attempt to level the playing field for small businesses. I concede there are genuine concerns for small, brick-and-mortar stores, but this law will just burden small online businesses while big retailers will be able to devote resources to compliance and absorb the extra taxes. Complexity is a subsidy for those with the money for a better lawyer.

Jazz Shaw, who has covered this bill as it bubbled up, noted in April that two states have already struck down “Amazon tax” rules.


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…JugEars changes shorts!

KOOLAID2 on August 2, 2012 at 3:10 PM

…TWERP!……?
Do something!

KOOLAID2 on August 2, 2012 at 3:11 PM

Boycott Amazon and Wal-Mart.

Schadenfreude on August 2, 2012 at 3:11 PM

Fluke Obama for supporting this.

Fluke Amazon and Wal-Mart, and all who hate the internet freedom, and all not in a good way.

Schadenfreude on August 2, 2012 at 3:13 PM

…TWERP!……?

Do something!

KOOLAID2
on August 2, 2012 at 3:11 PM

.
: )

listens2glenn on August 2, 2012 at 3:14 PM

Unholy alliance. Isn’t Jamie gore lick at amazon on their board?

tom daschle concerned on August 2, 2012 at 3:16 PM

This is Nut’n But a Jackboot to squeeze the Millions of mom and pop’s out of business. Squash’n Competition…. HOW AMERICAN.

roflmao

donabernathy on August 2, 2012 at 3:16 PM

I’m pretty sure almost all states have use taxes you have to pay on online purchases. So the notion that you don’t have to pay something isn’t technically true.

I don’t really have a problem with the feds creating a system for consistent taxation across the interwebs. One that would charge a single rate for the whole country, and the states could collect it if they don’t try to tack on additional use taxes at any state/local level.

Archades on August 2, 2012 at 3:16 PM

No hate for Amazon or Wal-Mart, they’re just doing what’s advantageous for them.

It shouldn’t be possible for them to gain an advantage like this though.

John_Locke on August 2, 2012 at 3:16 PM

So, if Amazon is going to have to collect sales taxes under the existing “physical presence” doctrine, it may as well try to expand online sales taxes to whack its smaller competitors who don’t have a 50-state network of giant warehouses.

How idiotic! Many people shop at Amazon solely because they don’t have to pay sales tax.

Add sales tax to shipping and the entire cost-benefit analysis tilts away from purchasing online from Amazon and towards other online entities or bricks-and-mortar stores.

Resist We Much on August 2, 2012 at 3:18 PM

Crony capitalism. No small co. will be able to compete with them if this is passed.

aniptofar on August 2, 2012 at 3:19 PM

And the great pirating of E-books begins.

JPeterman on August 2, 2012 at 3:19 PM

Repeal sales taxes.

El_Terrible on August 2, 2012 at 3:21 PM

Obama Donor crushing the competition under regulatory burden.

DANEgerus on August 2, 2012 at 3:21 PM

And the great pirating of E-books begins.

JPeterman on August 2, 2012 at 3:19 PM

That’s been going on for a while already.

El_Terrible on August 2, 2012 at 3:21 PM

Solyndra’s CEO labeled President Barack Obama’s administration “The Bank of Washington.”

http://dailycaller.com/2012/08/02/obamas-bank-of-washington-applauded-by-solyndra-ceo-in-email/

Resist We Much on August 2, 2012 at 3:22 PM

It’s almost as if Amazon is begging me to stop buying from them.

OxyCon on August 2, 2012 at 3:22 PM

“I’ve been here a long time and I’ve seen many businesses that used to be small, they grow. Then they use their political clout to come here, to advantage themselves and to erect barriers to entry for smaller companies.”

I think we have found a major problem to change and gut when we take back control of this government…

… I would like to see K-street turned into a ghost town.

Seven Percent Solution on August 2, 2012 at 3:22 PM

This is the wages of corporatism. Watch as the 1% conspire to screw over American consumers and marvel as the right continues to believe all solutions to social problems can be found in corporate board rooms.

libfreeordie on August 2, 2012 at 3:23 PM

And Amazon supports homosexual marriage, and the gay militants, to the tune of $2.5 million just for starters.

I use amazon, but if there were a reasonable alternative I’d switch, just as I’d do if there were a google alternative. Figure out how to hit Amazon on this gay marriage thing, let alone that they push for this sales tax because the smaller competition would be at a disadvantage as far as keeping up with the red tape.

anotherJoe on August 2, 2012 at 3:23 PM

Amazon and Wal Mart have Chicago Values…

PatriotRider on August 2, 2012 at 3:24 PM

I think we have found a major problem to change and gut when we take back control of this government…

Considering that large corporations are funding GOP campaigns, how is it possible for you to live under the delusion that GOP control of government would end cronyism? I honestly want to know. Cause its a baffling opinion.

libfreeordie on August 2, 2012 at 3:24 PM

Quite a quandary for leftists. The franchise they love to hate for its example of the free market, Wal-mart, is now singing their song.

The Notorious G.O.P on August 2, 2012 at 3:24 PM

Amazon’s plan is to provide same day delivery from massive new warehouses located near large population centers.

Same day delivery. Something to think about.

Curtiss on August 2, 2012 at 3:24 PM

this is like wal-marts flip on Obamacare. someone there crunched the numbers and realized Obamacare would hurt them, but it would hurt target more. so wal-mart became pro obamacare.

bannor on August 2, 2012 at 3:25 PM

Of course they do. As giant operators they can bury small operators under the costs of compliance. It’s a small price to pay to reduce the competition.

NotCoach on August 2, 2012 at 3:26 PM

libfreeordie on August 2, 2012 at 3:24 PM

Perhaps you have heard of a small, little known organization called the Tea Party.

NotCoach on August 2, 2012 at 3:27 PM

This is the wages of corporatism. Watch as the 1% conspire to screw over American consumers and marvel as the right continues to believe all solutions to social problems can be found in corporate board rooms.

libfreeordie on August 2, 2012 at 3:23 PM

Um, Amazon and WalMart can’t do anything on taxes without the government, which you believe is the answer to every social problem. They can’t impose taxation on anyone. Only government can do that.

Resist We Much on August 2, 2012 at 3:27 PM

This is the wages of corporatism. Watch as the 1% conspire to screw over American consumers and marvel as the right continues to believe all solutions to social problems can be found in corporate board rooms.

libfreeordie on August 2, 2012 at 3:23 PM

What the hell does “social problems” have to do with this?

Bitter Clinger on August 2, 2012 at 3:30 PM

Perhaps you have heard of a small, little known organization called the Tea Party.

NotCoach on August 2, 2012 at 3:27 PM

And when Fox stops reporting on cronyism once the GOP comes into power (we can agree they are an arm of the GOP can’t we?) how will the tea party get their message out there? I think the tea party is going to find out what it’s like to go after *real* power if the GOP takes control of the government. You can go after establishment politicians, they are an easy target. But if you go after corporations relying on the government teat you’re going to figure out what the left learned years ago, that’s where power is in this country. I certainly wish you the best.

libfreeordie on August 2, 2012 at 3:30 PM

This is the wages of corporatism. Watch as the 1% conspire to screw over American consumers and marvel as the right continues to believe all solutions to social problems can be found in corporate board rooms.

libfreeordie on August 2, 2012 at 3:23 PM

And yet you support ObamaCare which is 800 pound gorilla cronyism on steroids. Inconsistent much? You seem to miss the forest for the trees as well. We want fewer regulations and taxes, thus forcing companies to compete without the government picking winners.

NotCoach on August 2, 2012 at 3:30 PM

How idiotic! Many people shop at Amazon solely because they don’t have to pay sales tax.

Exactly. I print out the Amazon page of any electronics I plan on purchasing and take it to a local store and ask them to match the price. If I have to pay Amazon a sales tax it’ll be the same price and I can have it that day instead of waiting 3-5 business days with free shipping. Also we purchase many household items from Amazon because the prices are lower for things like coffee, toilet paper, etc. Make me pay sales tax and I might as well just add those things to the shopping cart while grocery shopping.

icelandicfarmer on August 2, 2012 at 3:32 PM

And when Fox stops reporting on cronyism…

libfreeordie on August 2, 2012 at 3:30 PM

I don’t watch FOX. I get all of my news online. And stop confusing conservatives with leftist sheep. Tell us, how do you feel about executive orders or executive privilege?

NotCoach on August 2, 2012 at 3:32 PM

This, unlike healthcare, is where the govt. is actually supposed to regulate interstate commerce.

I’ve been paying sales tax using Amazon for a while now so don’t really see the fuss about having to do so. The convenience for me is that I don’t drive for 20 minutes and find out they are out of stock.

WitchDoctor on August 2, 2012 at 3:32 PM

Always sticking it to the little guy. Businesses like Wal-Mart and Amazon have the organization to carry this out while it will be a nightmare for a small online operator or somebody earning extra money on Ebay.

Southernblogger on August 2, 2012 at 3:32 PM

This is the wages of corporatism. Watch as the 1% conspire to screw over American consumers and marvel as the right continues to believe all solutions to social problems can be found in corporate board rooms.

libfreeordie on August 2, 2012 at 3:23 PM

Says the guy whose party thinks it’s a good idea for people to be forced to purchase products from huge multi national corporations.

LOL

lorien1973 on August 2, 2012 at 3:33 PM

Pure Schadenfreude!!!

Schadenfreude on August 2, 2012 at 3:34 PM

WitchDoctor on August 2, 2012 at 3:32 PM

The inconvenience is on the side of small internet operations.

Southernblogger on August 2, 2012 at 3:34 PM

This is the wages of corporatism

libfreeordie on August 2, 2012 at 3:23 PM

The kids is learning.

Schadenfreude on August 2, 2012 at 3:35 PM

libfreeordie on August 2, 2012 at 3:23 PM
What the hell does “social problems” have to do with this?

Bitter Clinger on August 2, 2012 at 3:30 PM

it’s a social problem!

KOOLAID2 on August 2, 2012 at 3:35 PM

The convenience for me is that I don’t drive for 20 minutes and find out they are out of stock.

WitchDoctor on August 2, 2012 at 3:32 PM

You could always ring the store up first and ask. :-)

Resist We Much on August 2, 2012 at 3:36 PM

Cause its a baffling opinion.

libfreeordie on August 2, 2012 at 3:24 PM

Ladies and gentlemen, this is a ‘professor’ at a so-called reputable university.

Schadenfreude on August 2, 2012 at 3:36 PM

This is the wages of corporatism. Watch as the 1% conspire to screw over American consumers and marvel as the right continues to believe all solutions to social problems can be found in corporate board rooms.

libfreeordie on August 2, 2012 at 3:23 PM

The usual liberal idiotic mating call. DOWN WITH TEH EBIL BIZNEZ.

You have a pension? RRSP? Where do you think your money is sitting right now? How do you think it increases every year?

A round of applause if you say “thos ebil biznez”.

Fool. Each and every one of your students (you’re the whiny professor, right? nice “sabbatical, eh?) deserves a refund for you being so monumentally stupid.

kim roy on August 2, 2012 at 3:37 PM

…TWERP!……?
Do something!

KOOLAID2 on August 2, 2012 at 3:11 PM

Only she can save us now. Bishop is gone fishing.

SparkPlug on August 2, 2012 at 3:38 PM

Wow. I shop with Amazon quite a bit. That will stop cold if they charge sales tax.

ElectricPhase on August 2, 2012 at 3:40 PM

Fool. Each and every one of your students (you’re the whiny professor, right? nice “sabbatical, eh?) deserves a refund for you being so monumentally stupid.

kim roy on August 2, 2012 at 3:37 PM

If you knew what university it serves at it would all make sense.

Think affirmative action.

tom daschle concerned on August 2, 2012 at 3:41 PM

Cause its a baffling opinion.

libfreeordie on August 2, 2012 at 3:24 PM

This idiot attempted last night to ‘teach’ me the meaning of my nom.

Schadenfreude on August 2, 2012 at 3:41 PM

libfreeordie on August 2, 2012 at 3:23 PM

This is the result of big-government crony capitalism. Big corporations using their money to buy legislation that benefits them, screws consumers, and squeezes out smaller competitors.

Kill the government beast, or at least cut it down to its appropriate size and function (as described in the Constitution), and this problem is greatly reduced.

Businesses, both those run by leftists (like Bezos at Amazon) and those run by conservatives, will continue to pursue their own interests, as that is the nature of businesses, and human beings in general. But big wealthy businesses will no longer be able to use government to obtain unfair advantages for themselves and distort market signals, as they currently do.

AZCoyote on August 2, 2012 at 3:42 PM

How idiotic! Many people shop at Amazon solely because they don’t have to pay sales tax.

Add sales tax to shipping and the entire cost-benefit analysis tilts away from purchasing online from Amazon and towards other online entities or bricks-and-mortar stores.

Resist We Much on August 2, 2012 at 3:18 PM

Indeed. What about those of us who live in states with no sales tax? The only reason I would have to stick with Amazon is item cost plus shipping and item availability. Anything within $10 difference means I buy local and save shipping time.

Sadly this is just more short term thinking by corporations dealing with insane governance on tax laws. The largely unregulated internet frontier has allowed this country to prosper despite many negative economic effects for the past 10-15 years.

oryguncon on August 2, 2012 at 3:42 PM

“corporate board rooms.”

May indeed lobby to that end. They do however not sign the bill. We lack honesty and loyalty to the American people in D.C.

Bmore on August 2, 2012 at 3:42 PM

Bishop is gone fishing.

SparkPlug on August 2, 2012 at 3:38 PM

…is he throwing fish in his pool again?
…the pool almost killed him yesterday!

KOOLAID2 on August 2, 2012 at 3:43 PM

If you knew what university it serves at it would all make sense.

Think affirmative action.

tom daschle concerned on August 2, 2012 at 3:41 PM

It doesn’t “serve”. It mooches, which it has done en entire life-time, based on latte hued azz, just like Obama.

They have never produced anything of substance, ever, just ripped off the producers, while demeaning them. However, the party is about to end. This is just the beginning. Yesterday taught a lot, but the media were most all blind.

Schadenfreude on August 2, 2012 at 3:44 PM

“I’ve been here a long time and I’ve seen many businesses that used to be small, they grow. Then they use their political clout to come here, to advantage themselves and to erect barriers to entry for smaller companies.”

A moment of clarity from Jim DeMint.

This is absolutely true. Large corporations LOVE them some overwhelming regulations like Sarbanes-Oxley, because it’s more painful for their smaller competitors to comply than it is for a big company with dozens of lawyers on their payroll.

Big government sucks, and crony capitalism sucks even worse.

UltimateBob on August 2, 2012 at 3:46 PM

Contact your representative and let them know how you feel. It’s the only way to stop this type of stupidity.

aniptofar on August 2, 2012 at 3:46 PM

And when Fox stops reporting on cronyism once the GOP comes into power (we can agree they are an arm of the GOP can’t we?) how will the tea party get their message out there?

No they aren’t. The Cruz victory was the work of the tea party and the GOP wanted Dewhurst.

What we might agree on is that the Democrats have become a socialist party and are largely a lost cause.

I think the tea party is going to find out what it’s like to go after *real* power if the GOP takes control of the government. You can go after establishment politicians, they are an easy target. But if you go after corporations relying on the government teat you’re going to figure out what the left learned years ago, that’s where power is in this country. I certainly wish you the best.

libfreeordie on August 2, 2012 at 3:30 PM

There is a certain amount of truth to what you say here, but the left is as much in the pocket of corporations as the GOP. Obama and crew were awfully generous to the banks that were to big to fail and seems to be a fan of throwing money at various corporations, particularly if it might gain him some votes.

sharrukin on August 2, 2012 at 3:46 PM

This is the wages of corporatism. Watch as the 1% conspire to screw over American consumers and marvel as the right continues to believe all solutions to social problems can be found in corporate board rooms.

libfreeordie on August 2, 2012 at 3:23 PM

I’m not really sure what you’re carrying on about. I’m not sure what this has to do with solving social problems or corporations screwing over consumers when it’s taxes imposed by the state that they’re collecting…

I’m not a big fan of sales tax anyway, and feel like it undermines economic traffic.

I suppose you prefer Obama’s alternative? Instead of simply taxing people for goods and services they utilize and consume, we should also tax them for the things they don’t?

BlueCollarAstronaut on August 2, 2012 at 3:47 PM

AZCoyote on August 2, 2012 at 3:42 PM

And the biggest Liar and Hypocrite is Obama. He has his pockets stuffed from them, while preaching against them to the dummy moochers. Such fools deserve to be squished like gnats.

Schadenfreude on August 2, 2012 at 3:47 PM

Well, I’ve done lots and lots of online purchases at Amazon…. That I didn’t have to pay them sales taxes to do so never entered into the equation that directed my purchases to them…..

But, them supporting that I have to pay sales taxes when I purchase from them will be the basis of why I will no longer purchase from them.

LegendHasIt on August 2, 2012 at 3:47 PM

Cause its a baffling opinion.

libfreeordie on August 2, 2012 at 3:24 PM

Ladies and gentlemen, this is a ‘professor’ at a so-called reputable university.

Schadenfreude on August 2, 2012 at 3:36 PM

A PhD in Post-Dada Lesbian Haiku is not exactly impressive creds.

slickwillie2001 on August 2, 2012 at 3:47 PM

Fool. Each and every one of your students (you’re the whiny professor, right? nice “sabbatical, eh?) deserves a refund for you being so monumentally stupid.

kim roy on August 2, 2012 at 3:37 PM

If you knew what university it serves at it would all make sense.

Think affirmative action.

tom daschle concerned on August 2, 2012 at 3:41 PM

Makes sense, especially with supposedly being “educated” yet knowing absolutely nothing about rudimentary economics.

Add in there acting like a teenaged girl and flouncing off only to return in what, two weeks? Actually, I apologize to teenaged girls. Even this would be too embarrassing for most of them.

kim roy on August 2, 2012 at 3:51 PM

kim roy on August 2, 2012 at 3:51 PM

It’s a ‘boy’.

Schadenfreude on August 2, 2012 at 3:52 PM

Regardless if this is “fair” or not, it’s going to be a new burden on business’ in a terrible economy. Why are some republicans supporting this?

jawkneemusic on August 2, 2012 at 3:54 PM

kim roy on August 2, 2012 at 3:51 PM

It’s a ‘boy’.

Schadenfreude on August 2, 2012 at 3:52 PM

Really? Urf.

That’s even more embarrassing to flounce off in a huff and then return a short period after, although not overly surprising since all liberals have as guidelines are their feelings, much like 13 year old girls.

GROW UP.

kim roy on August 2, 2012 at 3:57 PM

Hmmmph. I am an Amazon prime member and get tons of stuff from them. I will definitely write a letter — not sure it will do any good.

bitsy on August 2, 2012 at 4:02 PM

Why are some republicans supporting this?
jawkneemusic on August 2, 2012 at 3:54 PM

Because Democrats aren’t the only ‘tax and spenders’ that the fools elect.

LegendHasIt on August 2, 2012 at 4:04 PM

Not a bit surprised at Squall-Mart being up to their ears in this.

I think the tea party is going to find out what it’s like to go after *real* power if the GOP takes control of the government. You can go after establishment politicians, they are an easy target. But if you go after corporations relying on the government teat you’re going to figure out what the left learned years ago, that’s where power is in this country. I certainly wish you the best.

libfreeordie on August 2, 2012 at 3:30 PM

Wow…look out the window to see if pigs are flying, you nailed it. Corporatists are working hand-in-hand with big-gov’t socialists to screw us over. Thanks for the best wishes, because we are all gonna need a boatload of luck to take them down.

MelonCollie on August 2, 2012 at 4:06 PM

You would still be saving money w/ Amazon even with the tax.

Take FL for example:

If I purchase a textbook at the bookstore I will pay state and county tax for a total of 7.5 percent. FL has the base rate at 6 percent.

So if I can get it off Amazon for cheaper than at the store and have to pay a tax rate say of 6 percent for arguments sake, I am still paying LESS than I would at the store.

I am still winning with Amazon as I would most likely get same day shipping and be paying less tax.

So for those saying ” OMG I WONT SHOP AT AMAZON ANYMORE” be my guest and pay the 7.5 percent or w/e it is, the gas ,and your time to get to the store.

Amazon is not going to propose a 12 percent rate, it will be something nominal so that buying from Amazon one way or another will still be cheaper and more convenient than it would be at a store.

In short: We consumers will still be “winning,” just ” less winning” than before.’ Winning’ of any sort is always better than ‘losing’ IMO.

aebloo on August 2, 2012 at 4:09 PM

At least we don’t have to worry about paying taxes on the Olympic Medals that we may have dreamed about winning.

That is, unless the thought police have sister unit called the “Dream Police”

FlaMurph on August 2, 2012 at 4:10 PM

Well, I guess I’ll have to find somewhere else to buy mp3s from. I already avoid buying ebooks there if I can because of DRM. I’ve also been thinking about replacing the kindle, it may be a good idea to look into other companies readers instead of just the newer kindle models.

AndStatistics on August 2, 2012 at 4:12 PM

I have feet in both the online and Brick-n-Morter worlds. I’m getting tired of my retail colleagues calling for a tax on the internet to “level the playing field.”

“I’m getting my butt whooped by an online entity! Help me, Big Government!”

My response: Why don’t we combine forces to try and get the state sales tax repealed and help everybody. Let’s level the playing field in that manner.

Not going to happen, though. It’s easier to get the gov’t to punish your competitor rather than work to raise everybody’s opportunities.

Hey, Amazon! Be careful what you wish for….

Ace ODale on August 2, 2012 at 4:13 PM

Next up: the boom in New Hampshire-based email addresses for E-book sales.

DarthBrooks on August 2, 2012 at 4:14 PM

I think the tea party is going to find out what it’s like to go after *real* power if the GOP takes control of the government. You can go after establishment politicians, they are an easy target. But if you go after corporations relying on the government teat you’re going to figure out what the left learned years ago, that’s where power is in this country. I certainly wish you the best.

libfreeordie on August 2, 2012 at 3:30 PM

You are simply put one of the most confused posters on this site. Do you even read the crap you write?

Bmore on August 2, 2012 at 4:16 PM

Sam Walmart built a great company, and then he died.

Sad.

Fallon on August 2, 2012 at 4:17 PM

Ruh roh, I may soon be taking my Amazon business elsewhere.

petefrt on August 2, 2012 at 4:19 PM

Next up: the boom in New Hampshire-based email addresses for E-book sales.

DarthBrooks on August 2, 2012 at 4:14 PM

Ha. If it were that easy, I’d probably do it just to put a virtual thumb in their eye.

AndStatistics on August 2, 2012 at 4:20 PM

Cause its a baffling opinion.

libfreeordie on August 2, 2012 at 3:24 PM

Ladies and gentlemen, this is a ‘professor’ at a so-called reputable university.

Schadenfreude on August 2, 2012 at 3:36 PM

A PhD in Post-Dada Lesbian Haiku is not exactly impressive creds.

slickwillie2001 on August 2, 2012 at 3:47 PM

C’mon – you know she’s really just some second string TA at some third rate rural JuCo.

kjl291 on August 2, 2012 at 4:20 PM

Big government in bed with big business. But, somehow, the Democrats have fooled the people into thinking that the GOP is the party of big business.

besser tot als rot on August 2, 2012 at 4:21 PM

I think the tea party is going to find out what it’s like to go after *real* power if the GOP takes control of the government. You can go after establishment politicians, they are an easy target. But if you go after corporations relying on the government teat you’re going to figure out what the left learned years ago, that’s where power is in this country. I certainly wish you the best.

libfreeordie on August 2, 2012 at 3:30 PM

You are simply put one of the most confused posters on this site. Do you even read the crap you write?

Bmore on August 2, 2012 at 4:16 PM

Strike that, the irony will escape you. It always has.

Bmore on August 2, 2012 at 4:21 PM

Sam Walmart built a great company, and then he died.

Sad.

Fallon on August 2, 2012 at 4:17 PM

Kids!?!?!?

Bmore on August 2, 2012 at 4:22 PM

Considering that large corporations are funding GOP campaigns, how is it possible for you to live under the delusion that GOP control of government would end cronyism? I honestly want to know. Cause its a baffling opinion.

libfreeordie on August 2, 2012 at 3:24 PM

Typical libtard throwing out accusations with no factual basis.
So “large corporations” only fund Republicans?
ou mean like Microsoft, Berkshire-Hathaway, Apple, GE, much of Wall Street – who actually fund the Dems…
Buffett, Soros, … current/recent President of Bain Capital is one of Obama’s biggest bundlers…

The list goes on to prove you’re a liar and second string Dem hack.

dentarthurdent on August 2, 2012 at 4:23 PM

So, let’s get this straight. If I order something online, do I pay the sales tax to the state where I live, or the sales tax to the state where the seller’s warehouse is located?

If it’s the latter, won’t states try to lower their business property taxes to attract warehouses for online sales, then milk the out-of-state online customers with sales taxes?

A huge can of worms, no matter how you slice or dice it.

Steve Z on August 2, 2012 at 4:23 PM

I actually do very little shopping on the web. I’ve done some for auto parts from places like Summit Racing, Year One, etc, and I’ve found that the added cost of “shipping & handling”, and then more shipping to send it back if the part is wrong or faulty, makes it worthwhile for me to go to a local store and pay a slightly higher price and have the option and convenience of just taking it back to the store for a full refund or replacement.

dentarthurdent on August 2, 2012 at 4:27 PM

Sam Walmart built a great company, and then he died.

Sad.

Fallon on August 2, 2012 at 4:17 PM

Kids!?!?!?

Bmore on August 2, 2012 at 4:22 PM

I’m not sure what you two mean, but the way you make something and stand for something, then leave it to invariably go sideways at some point, is kinda sad. It’s not the dying. It’s what they do with what you built. :) It’s probably not all lost at Walmart …

Leaving Walmart to the side, I’ve been trying to get things moved away from Amazon for a while. If all things are equal, I’ve picked somewhere else.

Axe on August 2, 2012 at 4:28 PM

Repeal the sales taxes. Where are all those Tea Party members supposedly elected at “every level” in 2010? Blaming Amazon and Walmart is misplaced. The real culprits are all of us for letting our states enact sales taxes and then screwing over the mom and pop shops by getting our booty tax free online from the mega corps. Get mad and repeal the taxes. This helps the mega-corporations AND the mom & pop shops.

P.S. 999 = RIP

rhombus on August 2, 2012 at 4:32 PM

First of all – why is Mitch McConnell allowing this bill to even be debated seeing as how the Senate hasn’t passed a budget in four years?

Why hasn’t McConnell – FILIBUSTERED EVERYTHING – until a budget is passed?

Oh wait – that’s right, I forgot. Mitch has no BALLS.

Second …

Thus far, some of the bigger names reportedly backing the bill include Governors Bentley (R-Ala.), Branstad (R-Iowa), Christie (R-N.J.), Daniels (R-Ind.), Haley (R- S.C.), Haslam (R-Tenn.), LePage (R-Maine), Sandoval (R-Nev.) and Snyder (R-Mich.), former Governors Haley Barbour (R-Miss.) and Jeb Bush (R-Fla.), Senators Alexander, Enzi, Blunt (R-Mo.), Boozman (R-Ark.) and Corker (R-Tenn.), and Representative Renee Ellmers (R-N.C.). Representative Mike Pence (R-Ind.) has also made positive comments about action to deal with the online sales tax issue.

Hey, MKH – why isn’t GOP support for this bill an issue with HotAir?

HondaV65 on August 2, 2012 at 4:33 PM

Considering that large corporations are funding GOP campaigns, how is it possible for you to live under the delusion that GOP control of government would end cronyism? I honestly want to know. Cause its a baffling opinion.

libfreeordie on August 2, 2012 at 3:24 PM

Once in while you make a spot on point!

HondaV65 on August 2, 2012 at 4:35 PM

This is the wages of corporatism. Watch as the 1% conspire to screw over American consumers and marvel as the right continues to believe all solutions to social problems can be found in corporate board rooms.

libfreeordie on August 2, 2012 at 3:23 PM

Your ignorance knows no bounds.

Bezos is a major lefty, always has been.

He never went for the sales tax because he had the GOP Senate on his side as they passed moratorium after moratorium, planning on making it permanent law, until Reid took over.

Then, broke-ass Governors started suing, which made Bezos plan to move his operations to friendly states.

But, a funny thing happen on the way called Prog shaming. So he struck a deal, for the “civic duty” to collect taxes, and in return, he could set up as many distribution centers, under Amazon’s work policies, which every good Prog knows is akin to American slave labor.

So the Dems sold out the Brick-N-Mortar businesses they were claiming to protect, and the low-wage factory worker who will end up in the Amazon jobs.

Why? Because Lib, it’s the F’ing Chinese model that Dems politicians have been waxing poetic about since 2006.

Dems have been looking to tax online since Gore and ’99. It’s the Repubs who have stopped it, and are still trying to.

So go cry about corporatism and the 1%. Just realize it’s Barry and his crew who are in agreement on this tactic.

budfox on August 2, 2012 at 4:35 PM

rhombus on August 2, 2012 at 4:32 PM

I’m actually a fan of the national sales tax – IF we can totally eliminate all other taxes – income (individual and corporate), ssn, medicare, death, etc. – and get rid of the IRS in the process.

dentarthurdent on August 2, 2012 at 4:35 PM

These are the typical battle lines in Washington: big business for big government, and smaller business for smaller government. And the bigs typically win.

Hench 16 trillion in national debt, inflation, bailouts, cronyism, corruption, special interest tax code all leading to a declining middle class who’s children are being turned into debt slaves ruled by all the crooks and cronies at the top.

Rush Limbaugh is partly right, corporations can’t force you to buy their products but government can, therefor government is the bigger threat. What Rush conveniently forgets to mention is that when corporations own the government, then they can force you to buy their products, for example the Romneycare/Obamacare mandates.

FloatingRock on August 2, 2012 at 4:35 PM

He has no legal obligation to do so, but he likened it to a kind of civic obligation to support infrastructure and services in other states

If the reason for collecting sales taxes is to support spending on infrastructure and services, why don’t states just expand their base by requiring it be collected on all sale in the state. If they were to collect it on all food sales and on many of the services that are now sales tax exempt, they’d have no problem making up the shortfalls that they’re experiencing now.

Is the argument that sales taxes support their spending on infrastructure and services the one states agree with?

Dusty on August 2, 2012 at 4:37 PM

Where are all those Tea Party members supposedly elected at “every level” in 2010?

rhombus on August 2, 2012 at 4:32 PM

They’re serving tea to their masters on the porch of the GOP establishment – hoping that by being good little subservient, teamplaying minions – they’ll be freed one day.

Delusion.

HondaV65 on August 2, 2012 at 4:37 PM

budfox on August 2, 2012 at 4:35 PM

I just posted a whole list of names of GOP lawmakers who are FOR this bill – and your dissertation lays all the blame at the feet of the Dims.

Get your head out of the sand – it’s the fault of both parties!

HondaV65 on August 2, 2012 at 4:40 PM

So, let’s get this straight. If I order something online, do I pay the sales tax to the state where I live, or the sales tax to the state where the seller’s warehouse is located?

If it’s the latter, won’t states try to lower their business property taxes to attract warehouses for online sales, then milk the out-of-state online customers with sales taxes?

A huge can of worms, no matter how you slice or dice it.

Steve Z on August 2, 2012 at 4:23 PM

You would pay your state tax. So, logically, having no state sales tax would make a state a boon for this.

Except it’s almost a lock that other states are going to argue it’s an unfair advantage, like a loophole, since online shopping is virtual and the digital sales tax should be a separate entity not based on physical sales tax structures.

That’s where it’s heading. That’s what the UN has been pushing since 2000.

budfox on August 2, 2012 at 4:41 PM

What we have now is a government of They, the Corporations. Corporations are fine if they aren’t corrupting our government and economy, but what we need to get back to is a government of We, the People.

Gary Johnson for President!

FloatingRock on August 2, 2012 at 4:42 PM

We live in Texas and since Amazon made a deal with the state to collect sales tax, we have stopped shopping Amazon. The only advantage they is gone.

johnny reb on August 2, 2012 at 4:45 PM

The proper solution is, of course, to not have a sales tax. No, leftist lurkers, the close-sarcasm tag is not missing.

Steve Eggleston on August 2, 2012 at 4:46 PM

When was the last time you saw any politician give up any kind of tax?

johnny reb on August 2, 2012 at 4:52 PM

I think the tea party is going to find out what it’s like to go after *real* power if the GOP takes control of the government. You can go after establishment politicians, they are an easy target. But if you go after corporations relying on the government teat you’re going to figure out what the left learned years ago, that’s where power is in this country. I certainly wish you the best.

libfreeordie on August 2, 2012 at 3:30 PM

Thanks for admitting the Left has chosen which businesses to sleep with.

Steve Eggleston on August 2, 2012 at 5:03 PM

I don’t understand why Wmrt & Amz are playing footsie on this?
Wmrt is everywhere so most customers already pay a tax whenever they buy online from them.
Whereas Amz isn’t in every state and few customers are required to pay a tax.

I believe it would actually be more benificial for brick and mortar’s if online establishments were taxed.

Regardless, the States are the ones that have dropped the ball on this. Few states are collecting taxes for online sales. Instore inventories and selections have been falling pretty much in step was online sales rise.
To think that the federal government should add to inflation by giving them another avenue to tax it’s citizens is proposterous. I’m loving this country less & less every day.

kregg on August 2, 2012 at 5:05 PM

first – they could solve the problem really quick, treat the sale like any other sale, sales tax is levied at the point of sale, if the online store is located in Texas charge Texas sales tax, if the online store is located in Oregon charge Oregon sales tax

second – wait till they really want to level the playing field between online and brick and mortar stores.

RonK on August 2, 2012 at 5:09 PM

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