Quotes of the day

posted at 10:41 pm on August 1, 2012 by Allahpundit

Ted Cruz’s stunning 14-percentage-point victory over Lt. Gov. David Dewhurst in Tuesday’s runoff for the Texas Republican Senate nomination gives the tea party explosive momentum heading into the remaining primaries nationwide and the November general elections…

“Anyone who wanted to question whether the tea party concept and ideals played out in 2010, I think you can argue they just got started in 2010,” said Chris Chocola, president of the Club for Growth, a fiscally conservative, free-market group. “And 2012 is a clear indication the tea party is alive and well and growing.”

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Cruz received critical endorsements and millions of dollars’ worth of contributions and other forms of support from the likes of Gov. Palin, who campaigned for him; Tea Party hero and fundraising powerhouse Sen. Jim DeMint, R-S.C.; the D.C.-based Tea Party group FreedomWorks, which is led by former House Majority Leader Dick Armey; the anti-tax, pro-free market group Club for Growth, whose top executive is former Rep. Chris Chocola, R-Pa.; conservative columnist and ABC News commentator George F. Will; and National Review, the venerated magazine founded by the late William F. Buckley, Jr.

Ted Cruz, in short, was an establishment candidate in his own right.

“It is time to think differently about the Tea Party,” said Darrell West, a political scientist at the Brookings Institution. “In the early days, the Tea Party was basically a grassroots movement, didn’t have a lot of prominent people behind them, didn’t have a lot of money. But now they have big money. They can bring outside resources into a state election, and prove to be very decisive. So they are getting institutionalized as a movement: They have major political figures who are behind them; they have money that is behind them. So they have emerged as a different type of ‘establishment’ organization.

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Cruz undoubtedly embraced the tea party movement, which rightly deserves a hearty share of the credit for his feat.

But Robert George, who taught Cruz constitutional law during Cruz’s undergraduate work at Princeton, said he would caution against simply branding him a pot-stirrer.

George sees Cruz more likely molding himself into a gray beard of sorts who sets out to accomplish big policy goals and is the point man on constitutional questions…

“Folks would say the tea party is rough about the edges. You can’t say that about Ted. He’s incredibly committed to the cause, but he’s smooth, polished and very articulate,” Elliott said. “It’s clear they’ve already identified him as someone who is going to join the leadership core in the U.S. Senate, perhaps for the next 20 or 30 years.”

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Original Tea Partiers, who remember the days mass rallies and colonial outfits, say they don’t miss that chaotic moment. The newer, more efficient movement fits their needs.

“I don’t look at it as institutionalization, I look at it as getting the job done,” said Amy Kremer of Tea Party Express. “All that matters is that Ted Cruz is victorious. All that matters in November is that we take the White House and the Senate.”…

For a movement that has prided itself for the three years of its lifespan on being anti-establishment, the Tea Party — thanks to the slick abilities and organization of groups like FreedomWorks — is becoming its own establishment, kind of a counter-establishment on the right.

“It’s all about the credibility too – because we take on the party, that gives us this credibility,” Brendan Steinhauser said, adding that “We’re not afraid to bloody up their noses.”

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“These guys [newly elected Tea Party candidates]” are going to force Romney to the right,” said Andrea Shell, a spokeswoman for Tea Party group Freedom Works. “That is our entire mission.”…

“If we can elect a really conservative House and Senate that will force Romney to go along with our bold conservative agenda,” Shell said. “He’s going to have to really, really go to the right. He’ll be working with guys in the House and Senate. He won’t be able to get away with too many middle of the road policies, especially on things like the deficit.”…

“It’s not going to be a Romney driven presidency,” Norman Orenstein, a researcher at the conservative think tank AEI recently told ABC News. “It’s going to be a Congressional, conservative, Republican driven presidency from Congress.”

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DeMint argues the more tea party movement-backed senators, the less gridlock.

“(When) Ted Cruz comes in … I think he can help empower some of the Democrats to make those hard decisions,” DeMint told CNN.

The South Carolina lawmaker believes the more staunch conservatives in the Senate, the more Democrats will be forced to compromise and come the GOP’s way.

“I think there are enough Democrats, if we have a strong mandate election, who will work with people like Ted Cruz and (Sen.) Marco Rubio and (Sen.) Pat Toomey and these senators here, in a sensible way to change the course of our country,” said DeMint. “The good news is this: because the rest of the world is in such bad shape, if we make a few hard decisions about fixing our tax code, fixing our entitlements so that we’re on a sustainable course, America could be the best place to do business overnight.”

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Some are already sensing a shift in the attitude of the Senate leadership.

“I notice that Mitch McConnell is speaking at a Tea Party rally soon,” Mr. Mourdock said in an interview on Wednesday. Mr. Mourdock campaigned with Mr. Cruz, who told him, he said, that he had taken his inspiration from Mr. Mourdock’s insurgent campaign in Indiana.

“Just the fact that the Republican leadership is willing to reach out to those folks is important,” Mr. Mourdock said. “If that kind of coalition comes together, on Day 1 it will be if not a literal majority a real large majority, and I think on Day 1 we will jump right into the frying pan.”

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A final point here: One of the most underreported stories of this presidential election is how the Republican brand is in FAR WORSE shape than the Democratic brand. In our most recent NBC/WSJ poll, the GOP’s fav/unfav was 34%-43% vs. the Democrats’ 40%-40%. Indeed, the GOP has had a worse fav/unfav than the Democrats in every single NBC/WSJ poll (that’s 14 of them!!!) since Jan. 2011, after Republicans won control of the House. So as the Tea Party/grassroots/anti-establishment conservative wing of the GOP has become MORE powerful, the GOP’s overall brand image has gone down, especially with indies. It is hard not to believe these two facts aren’t connected. And this raises the question: Will this be a drag on Romney? Or here’s another way to put it: How can this not be a drag on him? Help us out with this riddle: When was the last time a presidential candidate won when their party was viewed MORE unfavorably than the other side?

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Well, that’s it for me, too. Goodnight all. Its been a pleasure. Sleep well. See you soon!

thatsafactjack on August 2, 2012 at 3:08 AM

Axe on August 2, 2012 at 2:54 AM

I got that oe right..:)

PS..Remember the awesome movie scene!!

Dire Straits on August 2, 2012 at 3:09 AM

Thanks..Sorry..:)

Dire Straits on August 2, 2012 at 3:02 AM

Whoosh

Gohawgs on August 2, 2012 at 3:09 AM

thatsafactjack on August 2, 2012 at 3:08 AM

Later..Enjoyed it!..:

Dire Straits on August 2, 2012 at 3:10 AM

Yea, it’s spelled Inglewood, at one time it was practically the California definition of suburbia. A truly frightening place to this redneck…

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SWalker on August 2, 2012 at 3:01 AM

By way of contrast, this is where I live.

https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Ramona,+CA&hl=en&ll=32.991819,-116.84652&spn=0.005615,0.013078&sll=32.991225,-116.844342&sspn=0.011231,0.026157&oq=ramona+ca&t=h&hnear=Ramona,+San+Diego,+California&z=17

SWalker on August 2, 2012 at 3:10 AM

Check this out, this really p!sses me off!

Wouldn’t that be a shame to have less property tax revenue for those bureacrat pigs??

LevinFan on August 2, 2012 at 3:11 AM

PS..Remember the awesome movie scene!!

Dire Straits on August 2, 2012 at 3:09 AM

Do now. :) Ah, good times. :))

thatsafactjack on August 2, 2012 at 3:08 AM

Night Jackie!

Axe on August 2, 2012 at 3:13 AM

Gohawgs on August 2, 2012 at 3:09 AM

lolz..I got it..I thought you were poking me for misspeling her name..:):)

Dire Straits on August 2, 2012 at 3:13 AM

SWalker on August 2, 2012 at 3:10 AM

He’s in Irvine actually.

See that’s about an hour and 30 from you.

Are you a Chargers fan?

LevinFan on August 2, 2012 at 3:16 AM

Axe on August 2, 2012 at 3:13 AM

Phoebe Cates did wonders for that red bikini!..:)

Dire Straits on August 2, 2012 at 3:16 AM

Axe on August 2, 2012 at 2:54 AM

I got that one right..:)

PS..Remember the awesome movie scene!!

Dire Straits on August 2, 2012 at 3:09 AM

Sorry..:)

Dire Straits on August 2, 2012 at 3:17 AM

Are you a Chargers fan?

LevinFan on August 2, 2012 at 3:16 AM

Kind of. Been one one and off for about 40 years. Worst team in the History of football… ;)

SWalker on August 2, 2012 at 3:18 AM

I thought you were poking me for misspeling her name..:):)

Dire Straits on August 2, 2012 at 3:13 AM

I’ll leave that to JtL…

Gohawgs on August 2, 2012 at 3:18 AM

Scooting. Need to get a couple more hours of actual work out of tonight. :) Thanks Dire! Great night!

Night everyone!

Hope no one has a chicken hangover.

Axe on August 2, 2012 at 3:20 AM

sharrukin on August 2, 2012 at 3:03 AM

Romney worse than Bush?

Debatable.

Remember these gems:

1. No Child Left Behind

2. Pushing for amnesty – saving “family values don’t stop at the Rio Grande”

3. TARP “I abandoned free market principles to save the free market”

4. Medicare Part D

5. Spending more than any president in history before obama.

Look if Romney reduce the corporate income tax to 25% or even just simply maintains the status quo, it buys us time until 2016 to have a real conservative. If obama wins it’s over.

LevinFan on August 2, 2012 at 3:20 AM

Phoebe Cates did wonders for that red bikini!..:)

Dire Straits on August 2, 2012 at 3:16 AM

Gotta luv them front clasps…

Gohawgs on August 2, 2012 at 3:20 AM

He’s in Irvine actually.

See that’s about an hour and 30 from you.

LevinFan on August 2, 2012 at 3:16 AM

ROTFLMAO… and Irvine is even scarier than Inglewood… ;p Holy cow, man they pack people in Irvine like Sardines in a can. Give me the countryside man, I need me some open spaces… :)

SWalker on August 2, 2012 at 3:20 AM

until 2016 to have a real conservative. If obama wins it’s over.

LevinFan on August 2, 2012 at 3:20 AM

IF Mitt wins, no one will primary him in ’16. The hole will be exponentially deeper…

Gohawgs on August 2, 2012 at 3:22 AM

Kind of. Been one one and off for about 40 years. Worst team in the History of football… ;)

SWalker on August 2, 2012 at 3:18 AM

I’m a huge Peyton Manning fan so it looks like we’ll be going head to head at least twice this year.

One thing cool about the Chargers and Peyton though is they have their heads on straight!

LevinFan on August 2, 2012 at 3:25 AM

until 2016 to have a real conservative. If obama wins it’s over.

LevinFan on August 2, 2012 at 3:20 AM

IF Mitt wins, no one will primary him in ’16. The hole will be exponentially deeper…

Gohawgs on August 2, 2012 at 3:22 AM

That hole is going to be exponentially deeper no matter what. If Obama wins reelection, nothing that happens in 2016 will save America. What every Romney may be, he’s not a Marxist trying to turn America into a Marxist Utopia.

SWalker on August 2, 2012 at 3:26 AM

IF Mitt wins, no one will primary him in ’16. The hole will be exponentially deeper…

Gohawgs on August 2, 2012 at 3:22 AM

Maybe, maybe not.

No one thought the Tea Party would become as major of an influence as now is. Some were saying it was dead, now look at it. Who’s to say you don’t see a Rand Paul or someone challenge Romney.

Also, the bottom line is if obamacare is fully implemented in 2014 we’re stuck with it for life. Only shot we have at repeal is to keep the HOuse, take the Senate, and a Romney win.

LevinFan on August 2, 2012 at 3:28 AM

I’ll leave that to JtL…

Gohawgs on August 2, 2012 at 3:18 AM

LoLz..:)

Dire Straits on August 2, 2012 at 3:32 AM

Maybe, maybe not.

No one thought the Tea Party would become as major of an influence as now is. Some were saying it was dead, now look at it. Who’s to say you don’t see a Rand Paul or someone challenge Romney.

Also, the bottom line is if obamacare is fully implemented in 2014 we’re stuck with it for life. Only shot we have at repeal is to keep the HOuse, take the Senate, and a Romney win.

LevinFan on August 2, 2012 at 3:28 AM

Exactly, kill it before it becomes law, or we never kill it. Oh, and I honestly believe that Mitt Romney is going to turn out to be far more conservative than most people expect.

SWalker on August 2, 2012 at 3:33 AM

Gohawgs on August 2, 2012 at 3:20 AM

Thumbs up!..I hear you!..:)

Dire Straits on August 2, 2012 at 3:33 AM

All right, time for me to call it a day, ya’ll have a nice night…

SWalker on August 2, 2012 at 3:33 AM

Exactly, kill it before it becomes law, or we never kill it. Oh, and I honestly believe that Mitt Romney is going to turn out to be far more conservative than most people expect.

SWalker on August 2, 2012 at 3:33 AM

Well said. Good night.

LevinFan on August 2, 2012 at 3:36 AM

Romney worse than Bush?

Debatable.

Remember these gems:

1. No Child Left Behind

So I supported No Child Left Behind. I still do. I know there are a lot in my party that don’t like it, but I like testing in our schools. – Mitt Romney

2. Pushing for amnesty – saving “family values don’t stop at the Rio Grande”

In a November 2005 interview with the Globe, Romney described immigration proposals by McCain and others as “quite different” from amnesty, because they required illegal immigrants to register with the government, work for years, pay taxes, not take public benefits, and pay a fine before applying for citizenship.

“That’s very different than amnesty, where you literally say, ‘OK, everybody here gets to stay,’” Romney said in the interview. “It’s saying you could work your way into becoming a legal resident of the country by working here without taking benefits and then applying and then paying a fine.”

Romney did not specifically endorse McCain’s bill, saying he had not yet formulated a full position on immigration. But he did speak approvingly of efforts by McCain and Bush to solve the nation’s immigration crisis, calling them “reasonable proposals.”

3. TARP “I abandoned free market principles to save the free market”

Mitt Romney offered an unprompted defense of the 2008 Wall Street bailout on Wednesday, crediting President George W. Bush and the preceding administration for averting an economic depression.

Answering a question during a campaign event in Maryland, Romney both condemned the 2009 bailout of troubled automakers engineered by President Obama while praising the Troubled Asset Relief Program authorized in fall of 2008 to prop up the financial services industry.

4. Medicare Part D

Romneycare?

5. Spending more than any president in history before obama.

…[T]he state’s health insurance law…Cahill said, “has nearly bankrupted the state.”

Look if Romney reduce the corporate income tax to 25% or even just simply maintains the status quo, it buys us time until 2016 to have a real conservative. If obama wins it’s over.

LevinFan on August 2, 2012 at 3:20 AM

The GOP isn’t going to field a conservative in 2016 anymore than they fielded one in 2012, or 2008, or 2004, or 2000, or 1996, or 1992.

sharrukin on August 2, 2012 at 3:38 AM

Axe on August 2, 2012 at 3:20 AM

Later..Enjoyed it as always!..:)

Dire Straits on August 2, 2012 at 3:41 AM

LevinFan on August 2, 2012 at 3:28 AM

There will be no primary challenger to Mitt, even the stupid party is not that stupid. Now, if Mitt governs as a RINO instead of the CINO I believe him to be, then he probably will be primaried — resulting in a dem win that November. And, right back in that hole that the obamanation and his enablers dug us…

Gohawgs on August 2, 2012 at 3:42 AM

Countdown to GOP convention: 26 days
Countdown to Dem convention: 33 days
Countdown to 1st presidential debate: 63 days
Countdown to VP debate: 71 days
Countdown to 2nd presidential debate: 76 days
Countdown to 3rd presidential debate: 82 days
Countdown to Election Day: 97 days

Bmore on August 2, 2012 at 4:02 AM

sharrukin on August 2, 2012 at 3:38 AM

They look pretty similar.

Still what’s the other option? Give 4 more years to the worst potus in history??

Elect Romney and put pressure on him.

Who knows maybe he’ll be better than you think as SWalker said.

LevinFan on August 2, 2012 at 4:43 AM

They look pretty similar.

Yeah, but Bush at least had some whiff of conservatism about him. Romney has absolutely none.

Who knows maybe he’ll be better than you think as SWalker said.

LevinFan on August 2, 2012 at 4:43 AM

People tend to get worse in Washington DC, not better.

sharrukin on August 2, 2012 at 4:55 AM

How to you spell revolution: T E A P A R T Y, one election at a time.

Watch out Boehner, McConnell, Cheney, and your cozy with your friends across the aisle–true opposition to socialism is right behind you and gaining.

Don L on August 2, 2012 at 5:08 AM

One of the most underreported stories of this presidential election is how the Republican brand is in FAR WORSE shape than the Democratic brand.

If anyone was to compare the ability (and willingness0 of both parties, to bring home their message forcefully (propaganda) then the GOP would still be in diapers compared to the left’s giant well-honed message machine (including those freebies they get from their wings-Hollywood and the MSM.)

It’s far passed time for the GOP to drop the country-club stiffness, roll up your sleeves and engage in deep battle over the issues and their consequences for America. Without that, your message may as well be in a bottle floating around. Oh Yeah, take risks–tell the truth about liars and communists and family values.

Don L on August 2, 2012 at 5:22 AM

May I ask y’all a question?

While millions of Conservatives showed their appreciation for Chick-Fil-A yesterday, where was the presumed Republican Nominee for President?

For that matter, where was the GOP Leadership?

Were they still stunned from Cruz’s victory in Texas the night before?

My take.

kingsjester on August 2, 2012 at 6:36 AM

boy, the morning joe crew has NO CLUE who tea party people really are except for mike barnicle….

wow, truly no clue…

cmsinaz on August 2, 2012 at 6:43 AM

so fox news was the only one who reported on the AWESOME turnout at chik-fil-a….now on friday, it’ll be wall to wall coverage of the 5 people who show up for their kiss-in protest…

cmsinaz on August 2, 2012 at 6:44 AM

kingsjester on August 2, 2012 at 6:36 AM

Great post! It will be interesting to see what, if any, reaction there is after the fact.

Night Owl on August 2, 2012 at 6:45 AM

kingsjester on August 2, 2012 at 6:36 AM

great take KJ…

cmsinaz on August 2, 2012 at 6:47 AM

cmsinaz on August 2, 2012 at 6:43 AM

the little pipsqueak in the lower left corner pipes in and the tea party is pretty unpopular too! rofl

renalin on August 2, 2012 at 6:47 AM

so fox news was the only one who reported on the AWESOME turnout at chik-fil-a….now on friday, it’ll be wall to wall coverage of the 5 people who show up for their kiss-in protest…

cmsinaz on August 2, 2012 at 6:44 AM

I saw a little clip of Shep Smith calling it the day of intolerance. He sounded really butt hurt-LOL! I find it amazing that he couldn’t see that it wasn’t about gay rights so much as it was about first amendment rights and what Americans think about people who try to force their views using elected office. They really don’t get it.

Night Owl on August 2, 2012 at 6:50 AM

Night Owl on August 2, 2012 at 6:45 AM
cmsinaz on August 2, 2012 at 6:47 AM

Thanks, y’all! I gots ta know.

kingsjester on August 2, 2012 at 6:50 AM

renalin on August 2, 2012 at 6:47 AM

:)

They really don’t get it.

Night Owl on August 2, 2012 at 6:50 AM

truly do not…

cmsinaz on August 2, 2012 at 6:52 AM

Night Owl on August 2, 2012 at 6:50 AM

Now, you know why ussuns in Mississippi were so happy when ol’ Shep got his New York gig.

kingsjester on August 2, 2012 at 6:53 AM

Now, you know why ussuns in Mississippi were so happy when ol’ Shep got his New York gig.

kingsjester on August 2, 2012 at 6:53 AM

I don’t care if he’s gay, but that little rant was very unprofessional in my opinion. I don’t have cable anymore, so I don’t remember if his show is supposed to be news or opinion, but still…

Night Owl on August 2, 2012 at 7:01 AM

“And 2012 is a clear indication the tea party is alive and well and growing.”

The left assumed that just since the Tea Party Movement wasn’t acting like the OWS crowd (standing around with signs, throwing feces at police, setting up rape tents, pushing octogenerians down stairs, etc) that they had gone away. That was wishful thinking.

Happy Nomad on August 2, 2012 at 7:04 AM

Night Owl on August 2, 2012 at 7:01 AM

Both his shows are supposed to be news shows. We didn’t care in MS if he was gay, either. But, evidently, it’s a big deal to him.

kingsjester on August 2, 2012 at 7:04 AM

It’s not going to be a Romney driven presidency,” Norman Orenstein, a researcher at the conservative think tank AEI recently told ABC News. “It’s going to be a Congressional, conservative, Republican driven presidency from Congress.”

If more of these folks do not get behind Romney, it will be an Obama driven presidency….come on, first things first. I think Cruz is a really impressive young man with a great resume, he is certainly no Christine O’Donnell or Sharon Angle. He was Solicitor General, he has argued cases before the Supreme Court. Like Marco Rubio he is a rising young hispanic Republican. I think he could have won without Freedom Works.

A lot of Tea Party organizations have already endorsed Romney, but the last I herd Freedom Works has said they will not even endorse him.

I hope that has changed.

Terrye on August 2, 2012 at 7:05 AM

Terrye on August 2, 2012 at 7:05 AM

It’s a two-way street. Romney needs to support what happened yesterday. Big time.

kingsjester on August 2, 2012 at 7:08 AM

HA!

‘I don’t think you get it’
-Corburn talking to the MJ crew about tea party folk

cmsinaz on August 2, 2012 at 7:08 AM

I saw a little clip of Shep Smith calling it the day of intolerance. He sounded really butt hurt-LOL! I find it amazing that he couldn’t see that it wasn’t about gay rights so much as it was about first amendment rights and what Americans think about people who try to force their views using elected office. They really don’t get it.

Night Owl on August 2, 2012 at 6:50 AM

Shep Smith is a liberal tool known for his hissy fits. I lost all respect for him after a little rant in New Orleans he pulled during the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina. He went on for five minutes about how inadequate the rescue response was and how public officials were guilty of murder- etc. It was totally unprofessional and accomplished nothing. And of course, all he cared about were the stupid people who stayed in New Orleans against all advisories and were trapped and completely ignored the true magnitude of the storm from Lake Charles to Mobile

Happy Nomad on August 2, 2012 at 7:11 AM

Happy Nomad on August 2, 2012 at 7:11 AM

2nd that….i change the channel once bret bair signs off

cmsinaz on August 2, 2012 at 7:13 AM

…the anti-tax, pro-free market group Club for Growth, whose top executive is former Rep. Chris Chocola, R-Pa

I’ve never lived in PA but I remember voting for Chris Chocola for representative in my district about 325 miles west of PA. I wish these “journalists” would do their homework.

Extrafishy on August 2, 2012 at 7:14 AM

Help us out with this riddle: When was the last time a presidential candidate won when their party was viewed MORE unfavorably than the other side?

The answer is Bohner and his ilk are toast.

nicknack60 on August 2, 2012 at 7:18 AM

I’ve never lived in PA but I remember voting for Chris Chocola for representative in my district about 325 miles west of PA. I wish these “journalists” would do their homework.

Extrafishy on August 2, 2012 at 7:14 AM

LOL! Thanks! I do live in PA and I kept wondering why his name didn’t even ring a bell with me.

Night Owl on August 2, 2012 at 7:18 AM

so fox news was the only one who reported on the AWESOME turnout at chik-fil-a….now on friday, it’ll be wall to wall coverage of the 5 people who show up for their kiss-in protest…

cmsinaz on August 2, 2012 at 6:44 AM

I hate the media…a bunch of self satisfied little busy bodies…but you know what? By refusing to report on the news that a lot of people were buying chik-fil-a, that could just inspire more people to go out and buy chik-fil-a…they will think they need the help.

I live in Indiana and I heard that Terre Haute is trying to get a chik-fil-a.

Terrye on August 2, 2012 at 7:18 AM

Morning all.

Moaning Joe is actually a lot of fun this morning. Tom Coburn is really owning them! He shut up Lawrence O’Donnell and Huffington Post guy and that little black wimp from Washington Post when they spout their liberal talking points. Nice!

The opening segment is worth a repeated viewing too with them fretting over Ted Cruz and the Tea Party, and the Chick-Fil-A debacle (they know they haven’t just lost the argument, they’ve been slaughtered). Now they want Chick Fil A to go away.

Marcus on August 2, 2012 at 7:19 AM

Or I should say, they want the Chick Fil A STORY to go away. They know it’s a Dem loser.

Marcus on August 2, 2012 at 7:21 AM

Do note that Ted Cruz didn’t win because of MONEY.

He won because of commitment from individuals to support his campaign and to mail envelopes, place phone calls, and talk up his campaign with friends, co-workers and other like minded people. The stars of the Senate, Sarah Palin and the rest of the ‘leaders’ are only ‘leaders’ in the sense that the abolitionist movement had ‘leaders’: the movement set the tone, tenor and direction and a few were able to voice it better and help spur it on, but they in no way led the movement, itself.

This is the horrifying part to the two parties and the elite establishment. What the Tea Parties have done is coalesce, create leaderless organizations that are distributed, grass-roots and committed in a way that saves the most time to get the most results for the input given. Outspending a candidate isn’t going to change commitment for those who have had to go through the gauntlet of fire by the MFM and the simpatico elite establishment. You may not get a political ‘leader’ on the other side of that, but you do get an individual and a movement that is purified by fire in the crucible. Bring on more fire, pour it on, and the movement gets stronger as it winnows out the extras, those things that don’t fit and begins to concentrate on the pure beliefs of those involved. Then you reach out to those elements that remain unpurified, incorporate them and welcome THEM to the crucible. Not all will be allies, not all will be able to take the heat but the best from them will step forth to join with the larger movement.

In 2009 Statehouses started to change hands and not just into Republican hands but to those following the Tea Party – the beliefs of those elected were getting scrutiny and a number will be melted out by the fire.

By 2010 Scott Brown was a shot across the bow, followed up by many salvos against the elite establishment. This was not about winning elections, but to start the purification process on the elite politicians in the Republican party to start melting their power base away from the inside. You couldn’t win all those races, but you could win enough to prove the point and to establish the marker of the future.

In 2011 more Statehouses started to shift, and this was not just to Republicans but to an organized grass-roots that sought no leaders and, instead, welcomed spokesmen. By joining with other organizations and finding out what fit from them since the self-organization began, these other organizations found out that some of what is good from them gets incorporated into the larger movement, but that the movement is independent of them.

That gets you 2012 where a coalescing can get behind Ted Cruz and others, while Senators and Club for Growth now find itself against a FreedomWorks candidate in a run-off… spokesmen and ‘leaders’ are not blindly followed, and good citizens willing to risk the fire of derision and hatred spewed at them for their positions on smaller government and greater personal liberty get backed.

This is the horror to the elite establishment in both parties and the Left as a whole: the more they attack the more people come to understand those that they oppose and find them to be friends and neighbors with common-sense attitudes and simple involvement and understanding in politics that the complex fails on high, and the simple succeeds on low. Now Freedom Works reaches out to other Nations, Japan, Australia, Serbia, Israel, Italy, Greece, even into China to support those who see the rights of man as individual and personal liberty and freedom as the greatest force for good for all mankind. We will not always agree with our friends in other Nations and the venues they must choose for themselves: but we can reach out to support them in what they do.

This works.

Tyrants of the world, behold! The word of freedom and liberty with self-governance is now being whispered in the darkest corners of tyranny. And this time we vow never, ever, to forget these lessons and why freedom and liberty are the basis for the common good amongst men. The Tea Party was just the first ray of light on the horizon… soon the vast number of rays shall show the source of them and the powerful will tremble in fear.

ajacksonian on August 2, 2012 at 7:22 AM

Happy Nomad on August 2, 2012 at 7:11 AM

I did have cable back then, and I remember both him and Geraldo acting like babies. I guess it’s better they are where they are than in positions that require control under pressure, like doctors or police, or Chik-fil-A workers!

Night Owl on August 2, 2012 at 7:22 AM

HA!

‘I don’t think you get it’
-Corburn talking to the MJ crew about tea party folk

cmsinaz on August 2, 2012 at 7:08 AM

It’s amazing, but they really don’t. Now we know it’s not just our liberal trolls. It must be congenital.

Night Owl on August 2, 2012 at 7:24 AM

Terrye on August 2, 2012 at 7:05 AM

It’s a two-way street. Romney needs to support what happened yesterday. Big time.

kingsjester on August 2, 2012 at 7:08 AM

Well for one thing, Romney has been supportive of the Tea Party and a lot of Tea Party organizations have endorsed him. He even gave money and support to people like Christine O’Donnell.

My point was that the Freedom Works people {who last I heard had not endorsed Romney in the presidential election} are saying it will not be a Romney driven presidency, it will be driven by Congress..I was just saying that it will be driven by Obama if Romney does not win…so before they start talking about what kind of president Romney will or will not be,maybe they should concentrate on getting rid of Obama. That was my only point.

Terrye on August 2, 2012 at 7:26 AM

Terrye on August 2, 2012 at 7:18 AM

*crossing fingers* for Terre Haute

Marcus on August 2, 2012 at 7:21 AM

i missed the CFA portion, turned it on with donnie being the a$$ he is on who the tea party folk are…

cmsinaz on August 2, 2012 at 7:27 AM

Night Owl on August 2, 2012 at 7:24 AM

indeed

cmsinaz on August 2, 2012 at 7:28 AM

Oh, now that Moaning Joe got owned by Tom Coburn it’s 100% lib talk from here on out. Tom Coburn was a thing of beauty on the show, 5 or 6 versus 1, and he owned them.

Marcus on August 2, 2012 at 7:30 AM

Terrye on August 2, 2012 at 7:26 AM

Can you even imagine what kind of support he would have, if he had shown up at a Chick-Fil-A out in the Heartland, yesterday?

That’s what I’m talking about.

kingsjester on August 2, 2012 at 7:30 AM

My point was that the Freedom Works people {who last I heard had not endorsed Romney in the presidential election} are saying it will not be a Romney driven presidency, it will be driven by Congress..I was just saying that it will be driven by Obama if Romney does not win…so before they start talking about what kind of president Romney will or will not be,maybe they should concentrate on getting rid of Obama. That was my only point.

Terrye on August 2, 2012 at 7:26 AM

Freedom Works has said it doesn’t make it a practice to endorse any Presidential candidate but they did attack Romney during the primaries. That being said, I’m curious what these people demanding all sorts of assurances of a conservative leaning Romney administration are doing. Are they going to vote for Obama out of spite if they don’t get what they want?

The number one priority is to get Obama out of office and all these people making demands and saying truly stupid stuff like “there is no difference between Obama and Romney” are focused on the wrong things.

Happy Nomad on August 2, 2012 at 7:33 AM

Can you even imagine what kind of support he would have, if he had shown up at a Chick-Fil-A out in the Heartland, yesterday?

kingsjester on August 2, 2012 at 7:30 AM

I don’t think that would have been a very good idea. It would have merely fueled the lefties who were trying to make any support of CFA into some sort of anti-gay intolerance. Yesterday was all about the First Amendment and the Presidential candidates showing up in a photo-op would have made it political again.

Happy Nomad on August 2, 2012 at 7:36 AM

The opening segment is worth a repeated viewing too with them fretting over Ted Cruz and the Tea Party, and the Chick-Fil-A debacle (they know they haven’t just lost the argument, they’ve been slaughtered). Now they want Chick Fil A to go away.

Marcus on August 2, 2012 at 7:19 AM

I caught the tail end of that, and it was a hoot! Gail Collins, Donny Douche Deutsch, Jonathan Capehart and Mike Barnacle telling us all we need to know about the Tea Party. Oh, and Tham Thtein too–it wouldn’t be a Moaning Joe panel without at least one lisping leftist!

Naturally Curly on August 2, 2012 at 7:38 AM

Marcus on August 2, 2012 at 7:30 AM

oh yeah

cmsinaz on August 2, 2012 at 7:38 AM

Happy Nomad on August 2, 2012 at 7:36 AM

They could have, at least, supported that day.

kingsjester on August 2, 2012 at 7:38 AM

Yesterday was all about the First Amendment and the Presidential candidates showing up in a photo-op would have made it political again.

Happy Nomad on August 2, 2012 at 7:36 AM

The First Amendment isn’t “political”?

Extrafishy on August 2, 2012 at 7:47 AM

Bmore on August 2, 2012 at 1:53 AM

100 miles a day rt into Atlanta for my husband, so his commute is a nightmare and local traffic sucks too. The HOV lanes should be opened up as they are not utilized and one often gets stuck behind a bus so it doesn’t move faster than the other lanes.

Why would I have been mad at you for asking this question?

Buy Danish on August 2, 2012 at 7:50 AM

If the GOP had the same press the Democrats have, their approval ratings would be through the roof. As it is, it appears they’re going to win the election IN SPITE OF what the press is trying to do. Who on earth trusts the MSM any more? When you’re the MSM and you lose your credibility, what do you have left?

bflat879 on August 2, 2012 at 7:54 AM

The First Amendment isn’t “political”?

Extrafishy on August 2, 2012 at 7:47 AM

A Presidential candidate injecting himself into CFA Appreciation day would have made the whole thing into a political event or political statement.

Yesterday’s numbers were about supporting CFA from bully politician and the First Amendment rights of Dan Cathy to say what he did. Not everybody who showed up yesterday to buy “hate chicken” agrees with Cathy but they do support his right to say it.

That explanation clear enough to lower your snark level?

Happy Nomad on August 2, 2012 at 8:04 AM

Question: Am I alone in getting tired of having to read post after post by two or three people who are basically having a private conversation having nothing to do with the article? I like to read the comments because I find the posters here to be very intelligent and knowledgeable and enjoy their input on subjects, but I don’t like it when the conversation is turned into a private back and forth between two or three people on a topic that has nothing to do with the original conversation.

Are there others who feel this way, or am I wrong to feel this way.

texanpride on August 2, 2012 at 8:18 AM

texanpride on August 2, 2012 at 8:18 AM

I hate it, too, but it’s the way the “Quotes of the Day” runs.
If you hate comment boards turning into chat rooms, check out the Conservative site Lucianne.com. Very strict moderators there who keep people on subject and shut down chat immediately. They remove it. Like we’re doing.

Marcus on August 2, 2012 at 8:55 AM

Last week the Tea Party was dead and now it’s the “New Establishment.” F*ck the media.

rrpjr on August 2, 2012 at 9:20 AM

Are there others who feel this way, or am I wrong to feel this way.

texanpride on August 2, 2012 at 8:18 AM

It’s a problem without any cure but consideration.

swinia sutki on August 2, 2012 at 9:30 AM

Yesterday’s numbers were about supporting CFA from bully politician and the First Amendment rights of Dan Cathy to say what he did. Not everybody who showed up yesterday to buy “hate chicken” agrees with Cathy but they do support his right to say it.

That explanation clear enough to lower your snark level?

Happy Nomad on August 2, 2012 at 8:04 AM

No cause to be so touchy. The question was honest and the emboldened part of your post above appears to support that. The snark was assumed by you.

Extrafishy on August 2, 2012 at 9:40 AM

Question: Am I alone in getting tired of having to read post after post by two or three people who are basically having a private conversation having nothing to do with the article? I like to read the comments because I find the posters here to be very intelligent and knowledgeable and enjoy their input on subjects, but I don’t like it when the conversation is turned into a private back and forth between two or three people on a topic that has nothing to do with the original conversation.

Are there others who feel this way, or am I wrong to feel this way.

texanpride on August 2, 2012 at 8:18 AM

Hey look it’s the thread police!

LevinFan on August 2, 2012 at 9:56 AM

texanpride on August 2, 2012 at 8:18 AM

Thats just the nature of the beast (QOTD) and always has been…

OmahaConservative on August 2, 2012 at 11:05 AM

Do note that Ted Cruz didn’t win because of MONEY.

That gets you 2012 where a coalescing can get behind Ted Cruz and others, while Senators and Club for Growth now find itself against a FreedomWorks candidate in a run-off… spokesmen and ‘leaders’
ajacksonian on August 2, 2012 at 7:22 AM

A good assessment on the goals of the Tea Party movement and the effect it has had. Rome wasn’t built in a day, and political change for the better will not be either. It’s a start as you say and it’s growing. So true this runoff between Cruz & Dewhurst wasn’t about money. It was exactly as you’ve stated.

Nicely done.

I didn’t quite understand what FreedomWorks candidate you are speaking of.
Did they endorse Dewhurst?

Thanks ajacksonian.

bluefox on August 2, 2012 at 11:22 AM

Question: Am I alone in getting tired of having to read post after post by two or three people who are basically having a private conversation having nothing to do with the article? I like to read the comments because I find the posters here to be very intelligent and knowledgeable and enjoy their input on subjects, but I don’t like it when the conversation is turned into a private back and forth between two or three people on a topic that has nothing to do with the original conversation.

Are there others who feel this way, or am I wrong to feel this way.

texanpride on August 2, 2012 at 8:18 AM

I understand what you are saying, but think of the QOTD as an Open Thread. I enjoy their chit-chat:-) To me the QOTD is a place where everyone can wind down and have fun at the end of the day. The various discussions are never the same, so never boring:-)

bluefox on August 2, 2012 at 11:28 AM

Why would I have been mad at you for asking this question?

Buy Danish on August 2, 2012 at 7:50 AM

I don’t know really. I just figured you didn’t like me much so I figured the question may be to close to home so to speak. Plus I kind thought you just enjoyed getting mad at me. Seems like every time we have spoken thats how it ends up. You mad at me.

Fifty each way is a tough commute. It leads me to yet another question. Folks have always lived outside of the ATL generally siting better quality of life as the main reason. I was wondering if this was also the case for you and yours. When my better half and I are in town, we are literally down town, its nice not having to commute every day. Of course our preference is up in the hills. Less people, less expensive, cooler weather.

Anyway, hope you have a safe road trip today. Talk to you later. ; )

Bmore on August 2, 2012 at 12:30 PM

texanpride on August 2, 2012 at 8:18 AM

Marcus on August 2, 2012 at 8:55 AM

My take for what its worth is folks that spend the majority of their day posting here like to have a break at the end of the day. We know each other fairly well politically from arguing points on the threads all day. For many of us QOTD is a nice way to enjoy not only Allahs wonderful QOTD but to also take a load off so to speak and get to know each others interests. For me it really helps to lend prospective to the nature of folks and why they might have the views they take. Its good for morale to be friendly.

I went back and counted. Yesterday had 23 main threads on the front page here at HA. Thats about average. Unless I’m counting wrong there were 27 threads in the headline section to comment on. The Green room had 8, which seems a bit light for them. So the total threads available to comment on yesterday as with most days was 68. I was out yesterday, but normally I will average about 100 comments a day on some where around 25-30 threads.

My long winded point is QOTD is but one thread. We get there comment on whatever it is Allah has posted for a bit then we all seem to kick back and relax. Its my favorite thread here at HA. I love the comments. Generally folks are in pleasant moods and just glad to banter about with one another. Why don’t you join in sometime and see if it doesn’t start to make better sense to you as to why it is and has always been this way. It is or has been considered an Open Thread though not labeled as such. So come on in, the waters fine. One of us will generally offer you something nice to drink and play you a tune. Which reminds don’t forget to bring a tune. ; ) See you there?

Bmore on August 2, 2012 at 12:48 PM

I think I will keep my last comment just in case its needed again. That was a lot of typing for me. ; )

Bmore on August 2, 2012 at 12:50 PM

Allahpundit phrased a so-called riddle:

It is hard not to believe these two facts aren’t connected. And this raises the question: Will this be a drag on Romney? Or here’s another way to put it: How can this not be a drag on him? Help us out with this riddle: When was the last time a presidential candidate won when their party was viewed MORE unfavorably than the other side?

But it is not a riddle.

Ordinary conservatives are not rubes like what the MSM tries to tell us. We know the problem.

Our main problem is our core party leaders. GOP nolonger represent our values and principles. They may utter the cliches, but their actions are totally different from what they’re doing.

Nowadays, GOP-E is almost the same DP except in the name.

People know it. Indies are actually more conservative than being liberals. Thus, they tend to be more affected and upset by the failures of R, than by the Ds.

They have become Democrat-leaning in the past elections as a punishment to the establishment-entrenched, corrupt, power-playing, power-hungry Republicans secretly conniving to advance their personal agenda under the guise of “pro-market competition”, with total disregard of what they have promised to their constituents since the first time they have been elected.

So there.

Why Palin is loved by the grassroots? Simply because despite his failings, her records (if someone will just objectively analyze them) generally support what she’s been saying since 2008.

So it’s not a riddle. In fact, it’s a cliche. As the GOP-E continues to betray their constituents, the hate grows stronger and stronger everyday.

In fact, I bet 80% of the TP members and supporters would even choose to replace the name GOP with Tea Party if they have a choice. Choice? Oi! Why not?

TheAlamos on August 2, 2012 at 1:09 PM

Sorry for the grammar. Blame it to the whiskey! LOL!

TheAlamos on August 2, 2012 at 1:11 PM

Bmore on August 2, 2012 at 12:48 PM

Dr. Welby is waiting for permission from Daddy and Mommy Warbucks before discussing something besides the liberal Morning Joe show…

Gohawgs on August 2, 2012 at 4:39 PM

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