Palin on Cheney’s VP comments: You’ve bought the media’s false narrative about me

posted at 7:16 pm on August 1, 2012 by Allahpundit

Via Mediaite, an obligatory rejoinder to Cheney’s dig at her over the weekend. The reference to “misfiring” is, I trust, no accident.

The irony of this flap is that I’m not sure his dig was really aimed at her. Maybe I misunderstood but I didn’t take his comments to be a criticism of Palin the person or the politician, as is typically the case in “lamestream media” coverage. His point, I thought, was broader: If you have just two years of national or gubernatorial experience, then you’re not qualified to be VP. Full stop. I doubt he’d say that outright about Rubio or Christie or Kelly Ayotte, all of whom are in the same boat, as it’d be awkward for an elder statesman to be ruling out candidates who are still in the mix. My sense, though, is that he was trying to say that about them in a backhanded way by using Palin as an example. And why would he do that? Well, possibly because he’s rooting for Bush/Cheney alum Rob Portman. They’re old friends, I take it; Portman, in fact, was tapped to play the role of Joe Lieberman and John Edwards in mock debates with Cheney in 2000 and 2004. He has the most federal experience of all the shortlisters by a wide margin. By dismissing Palin as too green in 2008, Cheney’s framing the VP criteria to his advantage.

Don’t fret for Sarah, though. Given Ted Cruz’s and Deb Fischer’s big wins and the fact that no Republican pol in America is running on Bush’s record, she has more currency on the right than even DC does. Watch to the end to see her frame this, understandably, as an “establishment vs. populist” dispute.


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The whole “Dick” thing she does at the beginning is completely juvenile. And the bottom line is, Cheney’s point was that he didn’t feel someone who had served just 2 years as governor was ready to be President on Day One. What does that have to do with what the media has said? What false narrative is he buying into?

She likes to pull that ‘victim of the lamestream media’ card a bit too often.

changer1701 on August 1, 2012 at 9:11 PM

There’s no doubt in my mind that he knew exactly what he was doing. Not sure of the reason, tho.

kim roy on August 1, 2012 at 8:26 PM

My opinion is that what he did was a dig for screwing up Dewhurst’s chances in Texas. The party establishment hates her. And, I’m pretty sure she’d be happy to see them all drinking Ripple in an alley somewhere.

trigon on August 1, 2012 at 9:12 PM

SWalker on August 1, 2012 at 8:39 PM

That’s pretty disturbing right there.

JPeterman on August 1, 2012 at 9:02 PM

Until you have witnessed first hand what heroin, cocaine or Crystal-meth do to people and their families you do not have a clue what disturbing is. Disturbing is that anyone alive thinks it’s ok to traffic in that level of personal destruction and slavery.

SWalker on August 1, 2012 at 9:12 PM

Going to try this one more time: I’m not posting this, or anything else, for the page views. FYI, sneaking a peek at our numbers right at this moment, this post is only the fifth-most visited on the front page, which is very poor for a new one. The Jon Lovitz/Dana Carvey has fully twice as many readers on it. I expected all of that to be the case. I posted this because we posted Cheney’s comments on Sunday and wanted readers to see the rebuttal. You just have some sort of grudge against me for not being as much to the right as you’d prefer and this is your way of venting it. That’s fine, but let’s not pretend it’s anything else.

Allahpundit on August 1, 2012 at 8:04 PM

Allahpundit:

Oh boy,the grief your getting,now I might feel bad,that
I sent it to you late last night,but I“m going to have
another cup of tea,and reflect upon it!!————-:)

sent it to you last night,

canopfor on August 1, 2012 at 9:12 PM

She served 2 1 /2 years, Now Cheney should have wondered how he was down to 9%, at the end of the term, the Anchorage Daily News (local
paper) turned on her on Aug 30th, as soon as she was picked, and most
of the local conservative stations, were tied to the old Establishment that she had deposed.

narciso on August 1, 2012 at 9:13 PM

The reason I wrote above…Palin is Obama. They have the same persona. Eliminate their political differences, they are the same.

Redford on August 1, 2012 at 8:23 PM

YES. This is so true.

There are vastly more impressive up-and-coming conservatives who are a lot more deserving of national attention than Sarah Palin.

bluegill on August 1, 2012 at 9:14 PM

CCRWM on August 1, 2012 at 9:04 PM

Yep, time to destroy the crony capital that DC has become. To return our govt to the people not the powerful and politically connected.
Part of me thinks Palin would be better served to Join the Ron Paul campaign across the street and their push for a return to our constitution and an end of war fighting to win hearts and minds.

The real conservatives are not the Good Old Boys who spent us into a ballooning deficit and never ending entitlements.

I still believe, like the LA Times writer that McLame would likely have been worse for the country than Obama.
Romney would do well to pick Palin as his veep if he wants to really reform DC.

ConcealedKerry on August 1, 2012 at 9:14 PM

She likes to pull that ‘victim of the lamestream media’ card a bit too often.

changer1701 on August 1, 2012 at 9:11 PM

Yea, likeI would take any comment from a Mittwit seriously…LOL

idesign on August 1, 2012 at 9:15 PM

Until you have witnessed first hand what heroin, cocaine or Crystal-meth do to people and their families you do not have a clue what disturbing is. Disturbing is that anyone alive thinks it’s ok to traffic in that level of personal destruction and slavery.My emotions are more important than anyone’s rights.

SWalker on August 1, 2012 at 9:12 PM

MadisonConservative on August 1, 2012 at 9:17 PM

Yea, likeI would take any comment from a Mittwit seriously…LOL

idesign on August 1, 2012 at 9:15 PM

You can’t take anything that isn’t a glowing endorsement of everything thing she says/does seriously.

changer1701 on August 1, 2012 at 9:17 PM

She likes to pull that ‘victim of the lamestream media’ card a bit too often.

changer1701 on August 1, 2012 at 9:11 PM

She’s just giving her fans what they want, and they want to hear the hits.

Go RBNY on August 1, 2012 at 9:18 PM

If Sarah was smart, she wouldn’t blame all of her problems on the mainstream media constantly.

The savvy answer was to say…”I respect VP Cheney but I thoroughly disagree! At the same time President Obama was making his VP selection, he was seriously considering the former governor of Virgina, Tim Kaine, who had been governor for the about the same time as me and who had none of the demonstrable accomplishments I had in Alaska.”

I have said this to friends when trying to defend her…but her incessant whining about the media doesn’t make it any easier.

monalisa on August 1, 2012 at 9:19 PM

Romney gave us MassCare, a carbon trading scheme, the likes of Gina McCarthy, (although she started under Weld) he was wrong on the GM
management sacking, the Egyptian Revolution, maybe he should study up, get a clue,

narciso on August 1, 2012 at 9:20 PM

Romney would do well to pick Palin as his veep if he wants to really reform DC.

ConcealedKerry on August 1, 2012 at 9:14 PM

I can’t figure out which is more unlikely. That Romney would choose Palin, or that he would try to reform DC. Romney is all about the establishment republicans getting another turn at the trough. Nothing else.

trigon on August 1, 2012 at 9:20 PM

It may be weak tea to you, but it’s coming from the last conservative guy to hold the position she was running for. If we can’t respect his opinion of Palin, then sorry, you’ve declared Palin out of bounds of criticism, and that’s cultist behavior.

MadisonConservative on August 1, 2012 at 7:43 PM

Oh, come on. You can “respect” Cheney’s opinion, but that doesn’t mean that everything that comes out of his mouth is absolute truth, and it doesn’t mean that calling Cheney out when he’s wrong is “cultist” behavior in the least.

Palin is Obama. They have the same persona. Eliminate their political differences, they are the same.

Redford on August 1, 2012 at 8:23 PM

No, Palin’s the anti-Obama. She’s an open book. What has she hidden? Let’s try your quote another way:

Palin Romney is Obama John Kerry. They have the same persona. Eliminate their political differences, they are the same.”

ddrintn on August 1, 2012 at 9:20 PM

Bush has been keeping a very low profile. Cheney should follow his lead. Of course, Obama would prefer otherwise.

VorDaj on August 1, 2012 at 9:21 PM

She likes to pull that ‘victim of the lamestream media’ card a bit too often.

changer1701 on August 1, 2012 at 9:11 PM

She’s just giving her fans what they want, and they want to hear the hits.

Go RBNY on August 1, 2012 at 9:18 PM

Says the ‘bots who went around with their indignant panties in a wad for two weeks over Hilary Rosen and dogs on roofs.

ddrintn on August 1, 2012 at 9:22 PM

SWalker on August 1, 2012 at 9:12 PM

MadisonConservative on August 1, 2012 at 9:17 PM

Are you honestly this big of a douche bag, or do you just ham it up for the audience?

SWalker on August 1, 2012 at 9:23 PM

bluegill, if u don’t knock off your vitriol re:SP, I’ gonna vote for Obama and cancel out your measly vote for Mittens. What the hell is wrong with you??

gracie on August 1, 2012 at 9:24 PM

Until you have witnessed first hand what heroin, cocaine or Crystal-meth do to people and their families you do not have a clue what disturbing is. Disturbing is that anyone alive thinks it’s ok to traffic in that level of personal destruction and slavery.

SWalker on August 1, 2012 at 9:12 PM

We are not a third world country where we shoot even our citizens on the spot without due process. I think you may be letting your personal experiences cloud your judgement.

JPeterman on August 1, 2012 at 9:24 PM

trigon on August 1, 2012 at 9:20 PM

Won Can dream can’t they? Dream and hope one of the RINO herd sees the light at the end of the tunnel is the Tea Party barreling full speed ahead and gearing up to run over any who dare to steal our health, our wealth, our freedoms of speech, religion and right to bear arms.
Won could HOPE Romney would see that the Bushs’ the Cheneys, the McLames, Boehners, Mconnells are the dogs that don’t hunt and soon all will be consigned to sitting under the porch and barking!

You woke me up from my Dream Dammit!

ConcealedKerry on August 1, 2012 at 9:26 PM

The whole “Dick” thing she does at the beginning is completely juvenile. And the bottom line is, Cheney’s point was that he didn’t feel someone who had served just 2 years as governor was ready to be President on Day One. What does that have to do with what the media has said? What false narrative is he buying into?

She likes to pull that ‘victim of the lamestream media’ card a bit too often.

changer1701 on August 1, 2012 at 9:11 PM

Firstly, the former VP’s first name is Dick. If he doesn’t like that, he can be called something else. Secondly, how much executive/governmental experience did Abe Lincoln have before becoming president? I’ll tell you another VP who became nominee after serving as governor for only 2 years: Calvin Coolidge.

The thing is, it’s a sort of ex post facto standard. Two years is not enough experience because…Palin only had two years’ experience as governor.

ddrintn on August 1, 2012 at 9:27 PM

There’s no doubt in my mind that he knew exactly what he was doing. Not sure of the reason, tho.

kim roy on August 1, 2012 at 8:26 PM

This is an excerpt from a good explanation:

http://gulagbound.com/32171/only-one-adequate-explanation-for-the-cheney-bush-attacks-of-sarah-palin/#.UBgGLY6ayKJ

Classic cases in point are their collaborations in attacking and undercutting those Republicans who would yet stand for the Declaration principle of unadulterated sovereignty, in the face of their two versions of subversion and treason. Witness the case of Dick Cheney (as well as certain of the Bush family and so many others) in ceaselessly attacking Sarah Palin, as we now see via ABC News and The Hill.

Dick Cheney is a Rothschild/Rockefeller globalist, as are the Bushes (who historically, have been heavily involved in transnational finance, including grandfather Prescott Bush, who financed Nazis for what seems just as long as he could get away with it). In fact, a severely duped “America first” version of globalism has been a steadily developing theme of every Republican presidency at least since Nixon, if not Eisenhower. (Do you recall as do I, President Harding being ridiculed by elitists as one of the worst presidents in U.S. history? He ended the League of Nations scam.)

Dick Cheney is, in fact, a past director of the CFR. His quipping about that has become famous among patriots, as the video below shows. But before we go there, did you catch something in the video above about Cheney and the Rothschild complex’s Rockefeller family? Cheney led the effort to name a vice president for Gerald Ford. It was the hideous subversive, Nelson Rockefeller. This video spells out the connection of Cheney to the infamous David Rockefeller and his cause of enslaving mankind to one-world authoritarianism served by gradualist trade agreements, which break down national sovereignty and establish transnational governance, as well as the redistributive destruction of American livelihoods.

Fallon on August 1, 2012 at 9:27 PM

butterflies and puppies on August 1, 2012 at 8:47 PM

You’re right. I went back and rewatched the video, and I think you’ve accurately described it.

INC on August 1, 2012 at 9:27 PM

She likes to pull that ‘victim of the lamestream media’ card a bit too often.

changer1701 on August 1, 2012 at 9:11 PM

It’s her typical excuse. Yes, that and, “they just don’t like me because I’m going against the good ol’ boy establishment types”. Yadda, Yadda. She uses these tired excuses even when they’re not appropriate.

Her groupies gobble this stuff up

She suggests that anyone who doesn’t worship her must either be a RINO (not a “true” conservative) or someone who is upset that she’s supposedly trying to “shake up the establishment” blah blah blah.

Sorry, Sarah, but it is your incompetence, petty attitude and lack of qualifications that causes many conservatives to not want you as the face of conservatism or the Republican Party.

.

bluegill on August 1, 2012 at 9:27 PM

Fallon on August 1, 2012 at 9:27 PM

You forgot to mention the illuminati.

Buy Danish on August 1, 2012 at 9:30 PM

And the bottom line is, Cheney’s point was that he didn’t feel someone who had served just 2 years as governor was ready to be President on Day One.

changer1701 on August 1, 2012 at 9:11 PM

Is it? Does Cheney think that Cheney was qualifed to be VP? He had 0 years as governor.

besser tot als rot on August 1, 2012 at 9:30 PM

bluegill, if u don’t knock off your vitriol re:SP, I’ gonna vote for Obama and cancel out your measly vote for Mittens. What the hell is wrong with you??

gracie on August 1, 2012 at 9:24 PM

Oh, grow up. What would Sarah Palin say about that kind of attitude? I doubt she’d be very pleased.

Sarah Palin is a fine and patriotic person, but let’s quit pretending like she’s more than what she is. Cheney was right. Choosing her as VP nominee was a mistake and wasn’t the most responsible move.

bluegill on August 1, 2012 at 9:31 PM

There’s no doubt in my mind that he knew exactly what he was doing. Not sure of the reason, tho.

kim roy on August 1, 2012 at 8:26 PM

A couple of reasons: paving the way for some boring snoozer of a VP choice, and paving the way for Jeb ’16.

ddrintn on August 1, 2012 at 9:31 PM

You woke me up from my Dream Dammit!

ConcealedKerry on August 1, 2012 at 9:26 PM

Sorry, dude. There are times I like to just pretend this all isn’t happening, myself.

trigon on August 1, 2012 at 9:32 PM

And the bottom line is, Cheney’s point was that he didn’t feel someone who had served just 2 years as governor was ready to be President on Day One.

changer1701 on August 1, 2012 at 9:11 PM

Is it? Does Cheney think that Cheney was qualifed to be VP? He had 0 years as governor.

besser tot als rot on August 1, 2012 at 9:30 PM

LOL, ouch.

ddrintn on August 1, 2012 at 9:32 PM

Bush has been keeping a very low profile. Cheney should follow his lead. Of course, Obama would prefer otherwise.

VorDaj on August 1, 2012 at 9:21 PM

Cheney is helping Obama right now. Not sure why Obama would prefer otherwise.

besser tot als rot on August 1, 2012 at 9:33 PM

You forgot to mention the illuminati.

Buy Danish on August 1, 2012 at 9:30 PM

You didn’t read the linked article.

Fallon on August 1, 2012 at 9:34 PM

Choosing her as VP nominee was a mistake and wasn’t the most responsible move.

bluegill on August 1, 2012 at 9:31 PM

Which means of course that nominating Romney was an absolute catastrophe.

ddrintn on August 1, 2012 at 9:34 PM

She is not “tough.” She is a wimp.

Go RBNY on August 1, 2012 at 8:58 PM

And what bravado is on your resume, oh Fearless One?

RavingLunatic on August 1, 2012 at 9:34 PM

ddrintn on August 1, 2012 at 9:34 PM

(spit)

MJBrutus on August 1, 2012 at 9:36 PM

Sarah Palin sure makes the Mittwits go bonkers…:)

She has the same effect on the libs…LOL

idesign on August 1, 2012 at 9:37 PM

Worked like a charm, it did.

kim roy on August 1, 2012 at 8:27 PM

Limp dick effort.

the_nile on August 1, 2012 at 8:34 PM

Nice. *bows*

kim roy on August 1, 2012 at 9:37 PM

A couple of reasons: paving the way for some boring snoozer of a VP choice, and paving the way for Jeb ’16.

ddrintn on August 1, 2012 at 9:31 PM

Ha! Just because you fantasize of a Palin ’16 ticket doesn’t mean Cheney thinks we can and should endure 4 more years of Zero because Jeb Bush will ride in to the rescue the republic from its death throes.

Buy Danish on August 1, 2012 at 9:37 PM

Regardless if Allah’s interpretation is accurate or not. VP Cheney should never have said it. After the damage that he and President Bush did to the Republican brand, he has no place whatsoever denigrating the selection of Gov. Palin. At the time of her selection, she had the highest approval rating of any Republican in the country by their constituents. VP Cheney’s dig at Gov. Palin was totally gratuitous and completely unnecessary. Obviously, due to pride, he’d never own up and claim the damage caused by the Bush administration, but to place the blame for the 08 loss on the selection of Palin is deserving of him being referred to by his first name because that was truly a “his first name” move. For those that claim he’s intelligent and shrewd, there was a much better answer available to him: “When I was part of the selection process for Pres. Bush, I suggested that it should be someone who could be President on Day One. I still feel that way.” Discussing Palin’s selection was not shrewd or intelligent; all it got him was his own daughter debunking him.

rmel80 on August 1, 2012 at 9:37 PM

Palin has a thin skin. She really is obama in a skirt. Of course she wasn’t ready to be VP, she proved even the job of governor of Alaska got too hot for her. But she is living in this bubble where the only people who think she is unqualified are liberals living in lala land. The reality is that even the people in Alaska don’t much care for her, nor do independents, nor do most of the right-wingers. It isn’t the lamestream media, sarah, it’s America in general, right down to that infamous left-wing liberal hack, Dick Cheney.

keep the change on August 1, 2012 at 8:35 PM

You’ve filled your quota of talking points and can go home now?

kim roy on August 1, 2012 at 9:38 PM

bluegill on August 1, 2012 at 9:31 PM

no. u grow up little beast. you’re disgusting and driving people away from engaging in reasonable conversation on this site.

gracie on August 1, 2012 at 9:38 PM

She is not “tough.” She is a wimp.

Go RBNY on August 1, 2012 at 8:58 PM

And what bravado is on your resume, oh Fearless One?

RavingLunatic on August 1, 2012 at 9:34 PM

Swiping at anti-Mitts who dare to criticize the gutsiest governor ever to get rolled by a lib legislature, that’s what.

ddrintn on August 1, 2012 at 9:38 PM

Which current politician or Palin detractor on these threads could withstand the Presstitutes devotion of 12 full time scrubbers combing through 35,000 emails?

As Palin endorsed candidates time after time knock off the repunk Establishment picks she quietly goes on with life, until one of those Repunk Establishment types seeks to diminish her.

Cheney and Bush should have pushed back when they had the power, demanded a stop to the commie push that was Fannie and Freddie, reigned in the agencies and left No Chile Left Behind in the dumpster, that he barks now indicates he has very little bite, he has transferred that to the Obama clan and he has resorted to barking at the new comers here to clean up his mess from under the porch.

Old DC pols are the problem, Palin and the Tea Party are the solution!

ConcealedKerry on August 1, 2012 at 9:38 PM

Oh sure, Dick Cheney didn’t notice that mediocrities like Katie Couric and Charles Gibson made Sarah Palin look uninformed.

Dick Cheney didn’t notice that Palin knows so little about presidential elections that she pushed for an Open Convention – apparently not realizing that an Open Convention would hand the election to Obama.

Dick Cheney didn’t notice that Palin endorsed the unelectable Freddie Mac Gingrich – without being forthright enough to actually come out and endorse him, but instead she sent her husband out to endorse him.

No doubt Dick Cheney hasn’t noticed that Palin has begun speeches by saying: “I’m glad to get to be here” – which frankly makes her sound like a rube.

Mr. Cheney hasn’t noticed that her choice of VP is the stalwart patriot Allen West who is nonetheless not only unqualified by experience but is also prone to making undisciplined statements which make him polarizing, easy to ridicule.

No. Mr. Cheney hasn’t notice that in an election contest between Barack Obama and Mitt Romney, Sarah Palin can’t bring herself to endorse Romney.

For 8 years Dick Cheney was forced to endure daily outrages from our dishonest and biased liberal media, yet according to Sarah Palin, when it comes to assessing her, he doesn’t rely upon his experience and intelligence, he swallows the Media’s crap whole.

I think Palin has demonstrated yet again that she still isn’t ready.

Basilsbest on August 1, 2012 at 9:39 PM

She stood up for the Administration’s interrogation policies, consistently since her nomination speech, she warned about our dependency on foreign oil, and how a flashpoint at Abquaiq or Caracas, would make us vulnerable, she gave a better accounting
of McCain, then he could or frankly deserved,

narciso on August 1, 2012 at 9:39 PM

Which means of course that nominating Romney was an absolute catastrophe.

ddrintn on August 1, 2012 at 9:34 PM

Ddrintn, we know that you are a jilted Palin superfan-turned-Obama supporter, but can you refrain from your unhinged Mitt-bashing for just one day? Give it a try.

Seriously, this thread is about Palin’s angry response to Cheney for stating that experience should be valued when selecting a VP nominee.

You and your fellow Obama supporters will have plenty of time after election day (when Mitt defeats Obama) to stomp your feet and show your silly hatred for Mitt.

bluegill on August 1, 2012 at 9:39 PM

Let’s face it. If executive bureaucratic experience is what it takes to be qualified for President, Cheney should be endorsing Obama because he has 4 years as president of the USA, whereas Romney has 4 years as governor of some po’ dunk state (where, to hear it from Romney’s supporters, Romney had essentially no control over what happened because the legislature is 85% Democratic).

besser tot als rot on August 1, 2012 at 9:40 PM

You didn’t read the linked article.

Fallon on August 1, 2012 at 9:34 PM

I don’t need to. I’ve read quite enough about the Rothchilds/Bush/Nazis to know crazy when I see it.

Buy Danish on August 1, 2012 at 9:40 PM

Ha! Just because you fantasize of a Palin ’16 ticket doesn’t mean Cheney thinks we can and should endure 4 more years of Zero because Jeb Bush will ride in to the rescue the republic from its death throes.

Buy Danish on August 1, 2012 at 9:37 PM

Oh, come on. Put Cheney under truth serum and he’d tell you he thinks Romney’s a lost cause.

ddrintn on August 1, 2012 at 9:40 PM

Firstly, the former VP’s first name is Dick. If he doesn’t like that, he can be called something else. Secondly, how much executive/governmental experience did Abe Lincoln have before becoming president? I’ll tell you another VP who became nominee after serving as governor for only 2 years: Calvin Coolidge.

The thing is, it’s a sort of ex post facto standard. Two years is not enough experience because…Palin only had two years’ experience as governor.

ddrintn on August 1, 2012 at 9:27 PM

It’s Richard, actually…he goes by Dick, but anyone can tell watching that she meant it as a perjorative. It was juvenile.

Secondly, that’s all well and good about Lincoln and Coolidge, but so what? Cheney can’t think it’s not enough experience because of those two? They turned out OK, but that doesn’t mean that having 2 years of such experience is necessarily ideal.

I still don’t know what any of that has to do with the lamestream media. Is she not responsible for ANY of the perceptions of her at all?

changer1701 on August 1, 2012 at 9:40 PM

Jeb Bush will ride in to the rescue the republic from its death throes.

Buy Danish on August 1, 2012 at 9:37 PM

Please….LOL

idesign on August 1, 2012 at 9:42 PM

Let’s face it. If executive bureaucratic experience is what it takes to be qualified for President, Cheney should be endorsing Obama because he has 4 years as president of the USA, whereas Romney has 4 years as governor of some po’ dunk state (where, to hear it from Romney’s supporters, Romney had essentially no control over what happened because the legislature is 85% Democratic).

besser tot als rot on August 1, 2012 at 9:40 PM

B-b-b-but he saved the Olympics!!! And he saved something like 77.9 million jobs while at Bain!

ddrintn on August 1, 2012 at 9:42 PM

Is it? Does Cheney think that Cheney was qualifed to be VP? He had 0 years as governor.

besser tot als rot on August 1, 2012 at 9:30 PM

You want to compare Cheney’s resume prior to his selection as veep to that of Palin’s, go ahead. Why is it that NO ONE questioned that Cheney could’ve served as President, but doubts persisted about Palin’s readiness? All the media’s fault I guess?

changer1701 on August 1, 2012 at 9:43 PM

SWalker on August 1, 2012 at 9:12 PM

We are not a third world country where we shoot even our citizens on the spot without due process. I think you may be letting your personal experiences cloud your judgement.

JPeterman on August 1, 2012 at 9:24 PM

Well, I honestly pray that you never have to watch a child or sibling suffer through narcotics addiction. When it happens, you cannot close your eyes and pretend it’s not really a serious problem, you can’t be emotionally detached. Yes, I do have personal experience with it, and it is without a doubt clouding my judgement.

SWalker on August 1, 2012 at 9:43 PM

It’s Richard, actually…he goes by Dick, but anyone can tell watching that she meant it as a perjorative. It was juvenile.

Well, let him go by Richard if he doesn’t like sharing a name with a sexual euphemism.

Secondly, that’s all well and good about Lincoln and Coolidge, but so what? Cheney can’t think it’s not enough experience because of those two?

changer1701 on August 1, 2012 at 9:40 PM

So, to go back to besser’s comment above, when was Cheney’s experience as governor? When was he responsible for a state’s budget? So was he disqualified by his own standards? Palin had two more years’ executive experience than he did.

ddrintn on August 1, 2012 at 9:45 PM

Please….LOL

idesign on August 1, 2012 at 9:42 PM

Aw, having a little reading comprehension problem? Oh well, perhaps DDRNTN can help you out. Cheney scheming for Jeb Bush ’16 is his theory, not mine.

Buy Danish on August 1, 2012 at 9:47 PM

It’s like they don’t learn from the previous 8 years, Cheney had on balance, better instincts then W, on defense policy, energy policy, economic policy, but they didn’t challenge more readily the media’s often apocryphal attacks from the likes of Paul O’Neil, (really ghosted by Ron Susskind, by Powell and the like,

narciso on August 1, 2012 at 9:48 PM

I don’t need to.

Buy Danish on August 1, 2012 at 9:40 PM

Gotcha. Stay ignorant.

Fallon on August 1, 2012 at 9:48 PM

Palin-hate reminds me of Chick-Fil-A hate

faraway on August 1, 2012 at 9:03 PM

How funny, because Sarah Palin groupies bashing anyone who doesn’t kneel before Queen Sarah reminds me of the activists who want to prevent people like Chick-Fil-A’s president from voicing opposing views on same-sex marriage.

bluegill on August 1, 2012 at 9:09 PM

And your complaints remind me of the whiny liberal ones. Boo hoo my feelings. Someone hurt my feelings. She’s prettier and smarter and getting more attention than me. BOO HOO HOO.

If you actually came up with more than just catty name calling – like perhaps honest policy talk or like the chap who said she isn’t reading up like she should (which is an opinion, but a valid one and note he hasn’t been flamed to heck and gone) and were still getting beat up then, well, you might have a point.

As it is, you are just another one of those catty, jealous women who somehow feel threatened by someone who is doing better than you are.

And you aren’t helping Romney at all.

kim roy on August 1, 2012 at 9:49 PM

You want to compare Cheney’s resume prior to his selection as veep to that of Palin’s, go ahead. Why is it that NO ONE questioned that Cheney could’ve served as President, but doubts persisted about Palin’s readiness? All the media’s fault I guess?

changer1701 on August 1, 2012 at 9:43 PM

In terms of executive experience, Palin was far ahead of Cheney.

You’re going from some vague standard of having more than two years’ worth of executive experience to public perceptions based on media presentation…which vindicates what Palin said. Good job.

ddrintn on August 1, 2012 at 9:50 PM

So, to go back to besser’s comment above, when was Cheney’s experience as governor? When was he responsible for a state’s budget? So was he disqualified by his own standards? Palin had two more years’ executive experience than he did.

ddrintn on August 1, 2012 at 9:45 PM

He was White House Chief of Staff. He was the Secretary of Defense. He served in the House. He was CEO of Halliburton. Are you honestly arguing that he was somehow less prepared than Palin because he wasn’t governor for 2 years?

changer1701 on August 1, 2012 at 9:50 PM

Well, I honestly pray that you never have to watch a child or sibling suffer through narcotics addiction. When it happens, you cannot close your eyes and pretend it’s not really a serious problem, you can’t be emotionally detached. Yes, I do have personal experience with it, and it is without a doubt clouding my judgement.

SWalker on August 1, 2012 at 9:43 PM

The first step is admitting you have a problem. Good for you.

Go RBNY on August 1, 2012 at 9:51 PM

Steelman Surge BBQ and Picnic with Governor Sarah Palin
August 1, 2012
Campaign Release

Kansas City, MO- Governor Sarah Palin will be coming into the Show-Me State to help Sarah Steelman finish the final days of the primary with a “Steelman Surge” BBQ and Picnic.

Steelman, who received the endorsement of Governor Palin on July 17th will show Governor Palin just how much the Show-Me state is ready to get rid of the status quo:

“I am so grateful to have Governor Palin’s support and very excited to say she will be coming into Missouri to participate in this BBQ. I know she will excite folks to come out and take a strong stand against the status quo. I thank Governor Palin for conservative leadership she always shows and I want to thank each and every individual for the help they have given to me over the course of this campaign,” said Steelman, “The Steelman Surge is underway and I invite everyone to attend this event and help to continue our tidal wave of momentum.”

The BBQ is set to start at 6:00 pm and will be held at The Berry Patch, a “you pick” blueberry farm just south of Kansas City. Steelman and Palin will be serving the food as a way of saying thank you for all the support and encouraging people to get out and vote. Accompanied with the food will be refreshments, live music and several other local candidates.

“This is a way of saying thank you for all the folks who have been supportive of me and also to remind them that this battle isn’t over, we have to buckle down for the finish,” Steelman concluded.

idesign on August 1, 2012 at 9:51 PM

So, to go back to besser’s comment above, when was Cheney’s experience as governor? When was he responsible for a state’s budget? So was he disqualified by his own standards? Palin had two more years’ executive experience than he did.
ddrintn on August 1, 2012 at 9:45 PM

Dick Cheney. This is what experience looks like. Like him or hate him, by any objective measure he’s more experienced than Palin. You do realize that Chief of Staff is an executive position? Oh wait. Maybe not.

Buy Danish on August 1, 2012 at 9:53 PM

Congrats on the Cruz win Sarah, Nice assist. beautiful what team work can accomplish. Go Team!!!

Bmore on August 1, 2012 at 9:54 PM

Seriously, this thread is about Palin’s angry response to Cheney for stating that experience should be valued when selecting a VP nominee.

bluegill on August 1, 2012 at 9:39 PM

I seem to remember that he had glowing words for Hillary CLinton’s competence and experience and steady hand as well. Sorry, Cheney’s judgement is apparently sometimes as faulty as his marksmanship.

Look, Bush-Cheney left office with an approval rating headed for the single digits, and with Democrats poised to take over all aspects of DC. I’m not really in awe of Bush Inc’s political acumen.

ddrintn on August 1, 2012 at 9:55 PM

I’m more inclined to believe that VP Cheney said it to allow Liz the opportunity to disagree, respectfully, garnering support and respect from the conservative/Tea Party branch of the Republican Party. I think a run for office is in her near future.

Cindy Munford on August 1, 2012 at 9:56 PM

What’s the explosive part of that argument that I’m missing?

Allahpundit on August 1, 2012 at 7:39 PM

The word MISTAKE Allahpundit. BOOM! Explosion. The headline becomes….”Sarah Palin a mistake” according to former VP. Dick Cheney is arguably the most calculating guy I have ever seen in politics when he talks. His every word is released from clenched teeth and with carefull thought and he knew this question was coming in this interview. He wanted mistake to be the headline. Not Cheney says “experience is hugely important in VP choice” or “she wouldn’t have been my top choice because I think a lot of experience is so important”. Instead he said mistake.

I agree that Portman was a factor in his point. I think he had many reasons for saying what he said. It wouldn’t surprise me if this was a trial baloon for an explanation for why Palin isn’t invited to the convention. But denying that he wasn’t also trying to belittle Palin is naive. His only compliment to Palin was that she was an “attractive candidate”. I bet the use of the word attractive wasn’t by chance either. Cheney full well knew how the media would handle this interview. He probably didn’t realise how the conservative blogosphere would handle it however…hence his daughter coming out early to save her political future by disagreeing with daddy.

KMav on August 1, 2012 at 9:56 PM

(where, to hear it from Romney’s supporters, Romney had essentially no control over what happened because the legislature is 85% Democratic).

besser tot als rot on August 1, 2012 at 9:40 PM

B-b-b-but he saved the Olympics!!! And he saved something like 77.9 million jobs while at Bain!

ddrintn on August 1, 2012 at 9:42 PM

Yes he tries to have it both ways.

Mitt was stuck in DC on 9/11. He came back to Utah with an extra 60 Million in federal funds for the Olympics. He saved them alright on the backs of taxpayers. I never got the Olympics they make millions for NBC or whoever gets the rights but taxpayers pay for the games. Why are we paying to make NBC rich?

Mitt wants credit for being an effective Governor while claiming he was “Conservative” but with 85% Democrats what does that mean. He was a “Conservative Democrat”. I mean had he stuck with Republican principals he would have gotten nothing done. Fact is he got a lot done but with full cooperation from the Democrats who mostly loved what he was doing. He also moved very late (too late for primaries) from Utah to run in liberal Mass. Thus he should get no credit for being “forced” to run in Mass as it was purely a personal choice.

Steveangell on August 1, 2012 at 9:57 PM

Dick Cheney. This is what experience looks like. Like him or hate him, by any objective measure he’s more experienced than Palin. You do realize that Chief of Staff is an executive position? Oh wait. Maybe not.

Buy Danish on August 1, 2012 at 9:53 PM

CoS is a functionary. Not an executive position. Palin had more executive experience than Dick Cheney. Period.

ddrintn on August 1, 2012 at 9:57 PM

So, by this standard, he would have disqualified Teddy Roosevelt, who was Gov. of NY by even less time.

narciso on August 1, 2012 at 9:57 PM

Gotcha. Stay ignorant.

Fallon on August 1, 2012 at 9:48 PM

I already told you I’m all too familiar with these conspiracy theories. Would you like me to recommend some exciting 9/11 Truther websites?

Buy Danish on August 1, 2012 at 9:57 PM

Look, Bush-Cheney left office with an approval rating headed for the single digits, and with Democrats poised to take over all aspects of DC. I’m not really in awe of Bush Inc’s political acumen.

ddrintn on August 1, 2012 at 9:55 PM

On that I can completely agree with you lol

Go RBNY on August 1, 2012 at 9:58 PM

He was White House Chief of Staff. He was the Secretary of Defense. He served in the House. He was CEO of Halliburton. Are you honestly arguing that he was somehow less prepared than Palin because he wasn’t governor for 2 years?

changer1701 on August 1, 2012 at 9:50 PM

Yes, I am. What state’s budget was his reponsibility?

ddrintn on August 1, 2012 at 9:59 PM

I’m more inclined to believe that VP Cheney said it to allow Liz the opportunity to disagree, respectfully, garnering support and respect from the conservative/Tea Party branch of the Republican Party. I think a run for office is in her near future.

Cindy Munford on August 1, 2012 at 9:56 PM

A very smart take indeed Cindy. ; )

Bmore on August 1, 2012 at 10:01 PM

So, by this standard, he would have disqualified Teddy Roosevelt, who was Gov. of NY by even less time.

narciso on August 1, 2012 at 9:57 PM

But he was Sec of the Navy!!! That’s an executive position…and he had lots of money to manage, so that’s executive experience also!

Look, if Palin had been governor for 16 years it wouldn’t have mattered to the PDS crowd.

ddrintn on August 1, 2012 at 10:01 PM

Yes, I am. What state’s budget was his reponsibility?

ddrintn on August 1, 2012 at 9:59 PM

Then you’ve officially jumped the shark. What was the Pentagon’s budget while he led that, compared to Alaska’s?

changer1701 on August 1, 2012 at 10:02 PM

I’m more inclined to believe that VP Cheney said it to allow Liz the opportunity to disagree, respectfully, garnering support and respect from the conservative/Tea Party branch of the Republican Party. I think a run for office is in her near future.

Cindy Munford on August 1, 2012 at 9:56 PM

I think you are spot-on…

OmahaConservative on August 1, 2012 at 10:04 PM

Would you like me to recommend some exciting 9/11 Truther websites?

Buy Danish on August 1, 2012 at 9:57 PM

Why on earth would you hang out on Truther sites? That’s Paulbot fan territory, not Mitten mavens.

Fallon on August 1, 2012 at 10:06 PM

You want to compare Cheney’s resume prior to his selection as veep to that of Palin’s, go ahead. Why is it that NO ONE questioned that Cheney could’ve served as President, but doubts persisted about Palin’s readiness? All the media’s fault I guess?

changer1701 on August 1, 2012 at 9:43 PM

I’m not comparing their records at all. I’m just illustrating how nonsensical your argument is for what Cheney’s point was. At least now you appear to be at least implicitly admitting that Cheney’s point wasn’t what you argued that his point was before.

besser tot als rot on August 1, 2012 at 10:08 PM

I’m more inclined to believe that VP Cheney said it to allow Liz the opportunity to disagree, respectfully, garnering support and respect from the conservative/Tea Party branch of the Republican Party. I think a run for office is in her near future.

Cindy Munford on August 1, 2012 at 9:56 PM

I would think this more a afterthought. I can not imagine he would do this just to help his daughter as it could backfire were that the case and it was ever discovered.

Furthermore

Cheney’s sister Mary Cheney is quoted as saying, “I think you’d be hard-pressed to find any daylight at all between Liz’s and my father’s views. It’s not because she’s been indoctrinated. It’s because he’s right.”

Steveangell on August 1, 2012 at 10:09 PM

Then you’ve officially jumped the shark. What was the Pentagon’s budget while he led that, compared to Alaska’s?

changer1701 on August 1, 2012 at 10:02 PM

Congress holds the purse strings..:)

idesign on August 1, 2012 at 10:09 PM

CoS is a functionary. Not an executive position. Palin had more executive experience than Dick Cheney. Period.

ddrintn on August 1, 2012 at 9:57 PM

Wrongo. Isn’t it time for you to take your nightly Unicorn ride?

So, by this standard, he would have disqualified Teddy Roosevelt, who was Gov. of NY by even less time.
narciso on August 1, 2012 at 9:57 PM

Er, no. TR’s resume’ was a bit rounder than Mayor of Wasilla.

Why on earth would you hang out on Truther sites? That’s Paulbot fan territory, not Mitten mavens.

Fallon on August 1, 2012 at 10:06 PM

Well, that clearly went over your head.

Buy Danish on August 1, 2012 at 10:10 PM

Cheney would not comment on what he told Romney and Myers, but he was harsh in his assessment of McCain’s decision to pick Palin.

“That one,” Cheney said, “I don’t think was well handled.”

“The test to get on that small list has to be, ‘Is this person capable of being president of the United States?’”

Cheney believes Sarah Palin failed that test.

“I like Governor Palin. I’ve met her. I know her. She’s an attractive candidate. But based on her background, she’d only been governor for, what, two years. I don’t think she passed that test…of being ready to take over. And I think that was a mistake.”

Cheney did not call Palin a mistake; he called the choice of her for VP a mistake. Since Palin did not choose herself, the criticism is not of her.

Cheney is clearly criticizing McCain, and his team, not Palin, and goes out of his way in the interview to speak well of her. Believe it or not, it is possible to think well of Palin, and yet think that she was not ready to be President in 2008.

Palin’s response misses the boat. Contrary to her assertion, Cheney does not buy any of the “lamestream media’s” narrative. Cheney did not say the choice of Palin was bad because she was emotionally unstable, or a rube, or too conservative, or dumb, or polarizing, or whatever else the Palin haters use to denigrate her. He just doesn’t think she was ready. Period.

We can debate whether her use of Cheney’s first name was intended to be smarmy or not. But her twice repeated use of the term “misfire” was crude and ungracious, suitable for some anonymous Kos Kid, but not for a leading figure in the conservative movement.

Mr. Arkadin on August 1, 2012 at 10:13 PM

Why on earth would you hang out on Truther sites? That’s Paulbot fan territory, not Mitten mavens.

Fallon on August 1, 2012 at 10:06 PM

LOL! ; )

Bmore on August 1, 2012 at 10:14 PM

I’m not comparing their records at all.
besser tot als rot on August 1, 2012 at 10:08 PM

It’s rather difficult to parse what Cheney meant without comparing their records.

Buy Danish on August 1, 2012 at 10:15 PM

I love Sarah.
I’m tired of her, though.

John the Libertarian on August 1, 2012 at 10:16 PM

Congress holds the purse strings..:)

idesign on August 1, 2012 at 10:09 PM

And Alaska’s legislature had no say in the same? What’s your point?

changer1701 on August 1, 2012 at 10:18 PM

LOL! ; )

Bmore on August 1, 2012 at 10:14 PM

What category do you put conspiracy theories about Bush/Nazis/Rothschilds? I’m struggling to understand how 9/11 Trutherism isn’t remarkably similar to in the kook fringiness of it all.

Buy Danish on August 1, 2012 at 10:19 PM

Well, that clearly went over your head.

Buy Danish on August 1, 2012 at 10:10 PM

Keep telling yourself that.

Fallon on August 1, 2012 at 10:19 PM

For those who have been misinformed over the past fifteen years, or who have fallen for the media narrative, Cheney is NOT a conservative. He’s perhaps a couple of degrees to the right of center, but it is less than Bush. To believe that his comments are not an attack on Palin, but only a vehicle to obliquely reference avoiding “inexperienced” candidates, is intellectually dishonest. He is a smart man, and reading the text of his speeches and other words shows that he knows how to craft a message with more than one objective. These comments stand alone as a direct claim that selecting Gov. Palin was a mistake, but he can use the syntax and context to make the claims which AP has made for him, that such was not his direct intent. Don’t drink that Kool-aid.

I would have Palin as President or Vice President over Dick Cheney any time and every time. She believes in the Constitution first, and in the ability of Americans to keep the nation great if left to their devices. Cheney believes in politics as usual, and the art of power-trading.

Freelancer on August 1, 2012 at 10:20 PM

I’m not comparing their records at all. I’m just illustrating how nonsensical your argument is for what Cheney’s point was. At least now you appear to be at least implicitly admitting that Cheney’s point wasn’t what you argued that his point was before.

besser tot als rot on August 1, 2012 at 10:08 PM

Um, no…the “someone” I referred to was Palin. Here is what Cheney said: ““But based on her background, she had only been governor for, what, two years? I don’t think she passed that test of being ready to take over.”

And you were comparing records, which is silly to do in this case. There are far better examples than Dick Cheney’s resume.

changer1701 on August 1, 2012 at 10:22 PM

He didn’t say the names of Schmidt and Wallace (who have been welcomed to ABC) to spout their lies about how they ‘deepsixed’
the campaign, and blamed her for it. they in turn were the problem, they were enabled by current staff, do I need to link the Jones memo,

narciso on August 1, 2012 at 10:23 PM

What category do you put conspiracy theories about Bush/Nazis/Rothschilds? I’m struggling to understand how 9/11 Trutherism isn’t remarkably similar to in the kook fringiness of it all.

Buy Danish on August 1, 2012 at 10:19 PM

Sorry Buy Danish, my comment was not meant to offend anyone. I just got in a bit ago, I have no idea what you are talking about. I just thought Fallons comment was funny. I love Fallon, she’s good peeps. Bye.

Bmore on August 1, 2012 at 10:25 PM

Steveangell on August 1, 2012 at 10:09 PM

I am on record as thinking this was a calculated statement. I couldn’t figure out the reason since it seemed unnecessary at the time. Just an opinion, something everyone has.

Cindy Munford on August 1, 2012 at 10:25 PM

We can debate whether her use of Cheney’s first name was intended to be smarmy or not. But her twice repeated use of the term “misfire” was crude and ungracious, suitable for some anonymous Kos Kid, but not for a leading figure in the conservative movement.

Mr. Arkadin on August 1, 2012 at 10:13 PM

Oh please get over yourself… She is Sarah Palin not Saint Sarah of AK… The only perfect person died on a cross you know…

CCRWM on August 1, 2012 at 10:26 PM

Keep telling yourself that.

Fallon on August 1, 2012 at 10:19 PM

9/11 Truthers and the crackpot website you linked to = 2 peas in a pod:

Similarly, the perverse behavior of many Republicans is not to be explained, unless the explanation is their being the globalist neo-fascists and political spawn of tycoon tyrants of the Rockefeller ilk, who, with their Jacobin rivals, are financed by the same global network of central banks and their mammon-based overlords.

Clearly hyperbolic language appears totally normal to you.

Buy Danish on August 1, 2012 at 10:28 PM

Buy Danish on August 1, 2012 at 10:19 PM

Oh, Buy Danish for what its worth, I think you may want to talk to this guy, Steveangell. Trust me on this. You’ll quickly realize why. ; )

Bmore on August 1, 2012 at 10:29 PM

Sorry Buy Danish, my comment was not meant to offend anyone.
Bmore on August 1, 2012 at 10:25 PM

I wasn’t offended.

Buy Danish on August 1, 2012 at 10:30 PM

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