Does Obama have any idea what defense cuts are in his budget?

posted at 7:56 pm on August 1, 2012 by Mary Katharine Ham

This morning, President Obama landed in Mansfield, Ohio at an Air National Guard base he wants closed, according to his latest budget. The White House seemed unaware that the C-27 aircraft was even on its chopping block.

It’s not the first time the president has been confused about what defense cuts are in his budget.

In a July 15 interview during his trip to the military-heavy Hampton Roads area of swing-state Virginia:

Q: Do you support another BRAC closing bases, possibly hurting Hampton Roads?

President Obama: “You know, I don’t think now is the time for BRAC, we just went through some base closings and the strategy that we have does not call for that.”

From his own budget, page 81 (emphasis mine):

Reassesses Base Structure.The force structure that emerges from the new defense strategy will require a properly aligned infrastructure from which to operate, deploy, and train. The Budget requests the authority for DOD to commence two additional rounds of base realignment and closure (BRAC) and to establish an independent Commission that will provide an objective, thorough, and non-partisan review and analysis of DOD’s recommendations. While this is a difficult process, additional rounds of BRAC will enable DOD to align infrastructure to meet the needs of a leaner, more agile, and flexible force.

BRAC budget

Two rounds of BRAC is what his budget calls for. Laying aside whether each individual cut has merit, shouldn’t he at least know which ones he’s advocating in his own budget? Or, is this just an attempt to ignore what’s in his budget when it doesn’t please the crowd he happens to be addressing?

The aircraft at issue in Ohio is identified by name in the president’s budget at WhiteHouse.gov, bullet-pointed under “Funding Highlights” on the first page of the Department of Defense section: (emphasis mine)

Reprioritizes investments in weapons programs to reflect the new strategy, provide service members with state of the art equipment, and maintain the industrial base. This includes making investments in high-priority programs, such as unmanned surveillance aircraft and upgraded tactical vehicles, while terminating unnecessary and lower-priority programs such as the C-27 airlift aircraft and a new weather satellite and maintaining programs such as the Joint Strike Fighter at a reduced level.

Defense cuts C-27

President Obama has now promised to find a “mission” for the air base in Mansfield that does not involve the C-27J, according to ABC’s Ann Compton.

“As part of national security strategy, the president has supported cuts,” press secretary Jay Carney told reporters on Air Force One as it landed at the threatened guard base in Mansfield, Ohio. “There is a redundancy in terms of the aircraft that this National Guard air base is home to, but the president is committed to finding another mission for the National Guard unit at this particular air base.”

He could also reread his 2013 budget and figure out whether he believes in the defense cuts he’s proposed instead of flying around like some military Münchausen-by-proxy parent promising to save communities from the cuts he wants to implement.

President Obama, do you feel that your gaffes have overshadowed your swing-state trips??!


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…JugEars doesn’t know his azz from his mouth!

KOOLAID2 on August 1, 2012 at 7:58 PM

Does Obama have any idea

No. No he does not.

Left Coast Right Mind on August 1, 2012 at 7:59 PM

The budget that was voted down by the Senate 99-0? Nope…

Gohawgs on August 1, 2012 at 7:59 PM

…if it’s not on the teleprompter!…

KOOLAID2 on August 1, 2012 at 7:59 PM

Clearly, this is a man who does not believe in DOING HIS HOMEWORK!!!

JohnGalt23 on August 1, 2012 at 7:59 PM

If it’s not on the TOTUS, Downgrade don’t know about it.

Chip on August 1, 2012 at 8:00 PM

C’mon, be fair to The Whine. Knowing what’s in his budget would interfere with his golfing, fund raising and demagoging.

rbj on August 1, 2012 at 8:01 PM

He doesn’t care what cuts there are……

Duh, he’s already told Medvedev that’s he’s going to disarm after the election.

He is the DOTUS!!!!

PappyD61 on August 1, 2012 at 8:02 PM

Obama: Hmmm… Is that sh1t or Shinola?

The Rogue Tomato on August 1, 2012 at 8:03 PM

Valerie Jarret: “Sir, we’ll have to get rid of the entire Navy.”

President Obama: “Brilliant!”

hawkdriver on August 1, 2012 at 8:06 PM

“I will go line by line through the budget and…”

right2bright on August 1, 2012 at 8:06 PM

Does Obama have any idea what defense cuts are in his budget?

No, of course not. He only cares that our defense is decimated, the rest is just bureaucratic detail, something for his plebes to deal with.

TXUS on August 1, 2012 at 8:06 PM

…what’s this thing…” budget ” you speak of?

KOOLAID2 on August 1, 2012 at 8:07 PM

Nor does he care.

catmman on August 1, 2012 at 8:07 PM

Obama’s concept of ‘national defense’ is the MSM doing everything it can, no matter what, to get him re-elected.

Liam on August 1, 2012 at 8:07 PM

He knows arugula. That’s about it.

What an insult to those who work at the base in Mansfield.

Philly on August 1, 2012 at 8:08 PM

Does Obama have any idea what defense cuts are in his budget?

That would be the budget that applies to all the 57 states, right ?

burrata on August 1, 2012 at 8:09 PM

“Finding another mission” for a base costs tons of money.

If you’re going to “find another mission” for the base just to keep it open, how ’bout just keeping the mission they already have?

Effin moronic azzbags…

catmman on August 1, 2012 at 8:11 PM

Obama can’t support our troops, but he’s going to support Syrian “rebels” (cough). Send lawyers, guns and money.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/08/01/us-usa-syria-obama-order-idUSBRE8701OK20120801

Philly on August 1, 2012 at 8:11 PM

Obama is too busy doing “secret” things that everyone seems to know about to care what’s in his budget. He’ll just issue a secret order later to change it anyway.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/08/01/us-usa-syria-obama-order-idUSBRE8701OK20120801

Rocks on August 1, 2012 at 8:12 PM

He could care less. He’s a puppet of China, Russia and other enemies of the USA. Dumb as rocks, and just as hard-hearted.

bobcalco on August 1, 2012 at 8:13 PM

Does Obama have any idea what defense cuts are in his budget?

I’d be shocked silly if Obama had any idea what was in any of his budgets. Does he even know what a budget is?

kim roy on August 1, 2012 at 8:13 PM

The only military we need is the putz who said this:

“I killed Osama.”

Why waste any money on troops and armaments with Superman in the White House?

fogw on August 1, 2012 at 8:19 PM

I’d be shocked silly if Obama had any idea what was in any of his budgets. Does he even know what a budget is?

kim roy on August 1, 2012 at 8:13 PM

Does the government even have a bona fide budget?

Liam on August 1, 2012 at 8:20 PM

Again a lame question whose premise starts with Obama being incompetent, that all the deconstruction is happenstance or mistake and not the DELIBERATE RESULT.

rayra on August 1, 2012 at 8:23 PM

The bald truth of it is, the Dems and this Admin have very little to care about the DoD budget.

We are doubling down and slashing both manpower and programs at rather alarming rate…at least, we should be alarmed if the MSM reported it more, instead of puff hit job pieces on Romney s tax returns..

We are losing manpower and not raising pay. We have yet to standardize our Navy/AF wings with a Next Gen strike/attack capabilities…and we cant even pull old airframes out of mothballs because planes like the F-14 have been scrapped…literally.

We are giving away the millions & billions we’ve spent during the 80′s to build a cutting edge military and we’re letting it take unnecessary hits in the wrong areas.

BlaxPac on August 1, 2012 at 8:24 PM

Oh come on! Can’t a guy eat his waffle? Obama has so many things on his mind, what with fundraising eleventy trilliony brillony dollars for his campaign. He doesn’t have time to keep tract of all these minor distractions. Hollywood is calling, ya know, and, and, and, we have to figure out another smear we cast on Mitt.

Little Nell on August 1, 2012 at 8:27 PM

He can’t even keep track of which day Michelle hold his nuts or Valerie. And he probably thinks “budget” is pronounced “bu-jay” and is some kind of fancy gourmet lettuce.

natasha333 on August 1, 2012 at 8:27 PM

Remember that scene from Stripes when the company commander walks outside with his non-commissioned officer and points to a group of soldiers and asks, “Are these my men??!” The NCO rolls his eyes then turns the captain towards another platoon and quips, “No sir, these men over here are your men…” to which the captain retorts, “Oh yes, of course! And such fine soldiers they are !!”

ted c on August 1, 2012 at 8:29 PM

Wait, wait, wait.
Has he even had a budget that’s made it beyond the Senate?
Yeh, I didn’t think so.
So technically, because his budget didn’t go anywhere, he’s not really for BRAC or against the C27s.
See? Not having a budget relieves him from having to take a principled stand one way or the other.
Very convenient.

Hill60 on August 1, 2012 at 8:29 PM

Obama doesn’t care one whit what military reductions are deliberate, triggered or accidental byproducts. He wants it ALL cut. Everything he says to the contrary, every mil-pandering action he or ME-chelle stage are quite simply lies. The National Socialist Dictator in Chief called for a ‘civilian force as strong as the military’. He’ll elevate his purple people beaters and black block goons, while simultaneously chopping down the military in any way possible. Gay policy, weapons defunding, ruinous budget cutting, quality of life issues that drive vets out, a string of new ships named after civil/social douchebags, ‘idling’ sole-source factories to scatter their highly skilled workforces (just as was done with NASA), Pentagon panel after panel making ridiculous and ruinous social-engineering policies to insert female troops where they traditionally do not belong and generally cannot hack the performance requirements. Queering Tri-Care so servicemen have to pay more for service-inflicted conditions. Changing the medial deal on military retirees yet again.

Not a bit of it is accident or ‘can’t be helped’. Just like Obama’s promise to Medyedev to destroy our nukes AFTER [Obama] gets re-elected.

rayra on August 1, 2012 at 8:31 PM

Panetta et-al ruling that somehow troops marching in gay pride events IN uniform is NOT ‘political speech’, which is otherwise banned.

/spit

rayra on August 1, 2012 at 8:35 PM

It’s not just defense cuts – he doesn’t have a clue about anything in the budget.

exhelodrvr on August 1, 2012 at 8:36 PM

navy seal hack
 
Uppereastside on July 18, 2012 at 7:29 PM

rogerb on August 1, 2012 at 8:39 PM

Rocks on August 1, 2012 at 8:12 PM

I wonder how fat a check the MB cut for him.

CPT. Charles on August 1, 2012 at 8:42 PM

Bumblin‘…Stumblin’….Fumblin’

does someone tie barry’s shoes?

DiabloAzure on August 1, 2012 at 8:44 PM

Obama did not even know the year. The economic illiterate can’t tell you what is in his pants pockets. Of course that is just another data point to show how super scary smart 0bama is.

jukin3 on August 1, 2012 at 8:44 PM

…what’s this thing…” budget ” you speak of?

KOOLAID2 on August 1, 2012 at 8:07 PM

+2

ProfShadow on August 1, 2012 at 8:48 PM

I just find it hard to believe that the people of Mansfield went to that liar’s campaign stop and cheered at every lie out of his mouth. He has to be paying some seiu members to sit in the audience and shout ‘right’ and ‘yeah’ when ever he says Romney wants to cut taxes for the rich and tax the poor. Now he’s come out with a promise to save the air field to placate the voters there. Is there anyone in that town that really believes his cr*p.

Kissmygrits on August 1, 2012 at 8:50 PM

Long ago he stopped worrying about reality and moved into “lie to get a vote” mode. If he knows or doesn’t know what is in his budget is irrelevant, he will say what he thinks others want to hear.

Ragnar Danneskold on August 1, 2012 at 8:50 PM

What happened to the cut the spending rhetoric in 2010? Lololol

Uppereastside on August 1, 2012 at 8:50 PM

(Reuters) – President Barack Obama has signed a secret order authorizing U.S. support for rebels seeking to depose Syrian President Bashar al-Assad and his government, U.S. sources familiar with the matter said.

Why isn’t the administration screaming about this “leak”?

Another White House leaker, perhaps?

Nah, Obama said that it was “offencive” to suggest that his White House would leak anything.

Resist We Much on August 1, 2012 at 8:53 PM

What happened to the cut the spending rhetoric in 2010? Lololol

Uppereastside on August 1, 2012 at 8:50 PM

What happened to “cut the spending and the deficit in half by the end of my first term” rhetoric in 2008?

Lololol

Resist We Much on August 1, 2012 at 8:54 PM

And Obama believes that those in uniform are going to cast their votes(Even if Absentee Ballots are counted)for him in November???

Yeah. Keep thinking that, Skippy!!!

Landslide against Obama, here we come!

Can’t wait for Michelle to show up for a Meet & Greet at a base about to be BRACed!

Jack Deth on August 1, 2012 at 8:54 PM

Hi there.

Anyone have a cure for pool poisoning?

Bishop on August 1, 2012 at 8:55 PM

This is typical…about the only thing Obama knows is his golf handicap.

AUINSC on August 1, 2012 at 8:55 PM

rhetoric
 
Uppereastside on August 1, 2012 at 8:50 PM

 
Well played.

rogerb on August 1, 2012 at 8:58 PM

Running with scissors.

Running on empty.

petefrt on August 1, 2012 at 8:59 PM

Valerie Jarret: “Sir, we’ll have to get rid of the entire Navy.”

President Obama: “Brilliant!”

hawkdriver on August 1, 2012 at 8:06 PM

Or, equally likely:

Valerie Jarret: “Sir, we’ll have to get rid of the entire Navy.”

President Obama: You’re right. Dark blue isn’t my color. I look better in the brown suit. Or maybe the light colored one. Get me a couple of charcoal ones, too. Where’s that damn mirror…

bofh on August 1, 2012 at 9:01 PM

Anyone have a cure for pool poisoning?

Bishop on August 1, 2012 at 8:55 PM

No, but Yeastie Noyz has volunteered to become your “pool tester.”

Resist We Much on August 1, 2012 at 9:01 PM

Does he even know when his next fund raiser is?

docflash on August 1, 2012 at 9:02 PM

I would like to see the Army’s budget slashed as about all they are being used for these days is to fight for muslims and islam and shariah.

VorDaj on August 1, 2012 at 9:03 PM

You make that dumb ass “you didn’t build that” statement and now this. Now, do you understand that you are “nothing” without me?
TOTUS.

Alabama Infidel on August 1, 2012 at 9:04 PM

Running with scissors.

I don’t know about running with scissors, but I can tell you my personal experience with accepting a pair of scissors point first…

Count to 10 on August 1, 2012 at 9:04 PM

OK, OK…Valerie made a mistake…now lay off.

d1carter on August 1, 2012 at 9:05 PM

Does he even know when his next fund raiser is?

docflash on August 1, 2012 at 9:02 PM

Do you expect him to keep track of them all? He knows the last one was not very long ago and he knows the next one is very soon. You can’t really expect any more precision. He only got 342 on his math SAT.

VorDaj on August 1, 2012 at 9:08 PM

Hi there.

Anyone have a cure for pool poisoning?

Bishop on August 1, 2012 at 8:55 PM

Don’t eat the blue chalk.

RickB on August 1, 2012 at 9:24 PM

No but, Valerie Jarrett will tell him.

jake49 on August 1, 2012 at 9:33 PM

My pool tried to kill me today.

Bishop on August 1, 2012 at 9:43 PM

You are kidding me right, does he have any idea? Of course he doesn’t. Barry is a lazy thinker and a work avoider. What does the boy king care anyway. Valerie is handling the day to day.

steveracer on August 1, 2012 at 9:48 PM

Is it possible to cut a budget when we haven’t got one?

trigon on August 1, 2012 at 9:50 PM

It’s pretty obvious that they don’t think sequestration will occur. They’re banking heavily on Boehner backing down.

BKeyser on August 1, 2012 at 9:52 PM

My pool tried to kill me today.

Bishop on August 1, 2012 at 9:43 PM

Kill it back.

trigon on August 1, 2012 at 9:53 PM

Does Obama have any idea what defense cuts are in his budget?

Does he care? Nope.

farsighted on August 1, 2012 at 9:57 PM

It’s pretty obvious that they don’t think sequestration will occur. They’re banking heavily on Boehner backing down.

BKeyser on August 1, 2012 at 9:52 PM

That would be a good bet.

Alabama Infidel on August 1, 2012 at 10:03 PM

I think it is interesting as all get out that he doesn’t want defense contractors to send out advance notice of lay offs as required by a law that he supported.

Cindy Munford on August 1, 2012 at 10:09 PM

My pool tried to kill me today.

Bishop on August 1, 2012 at 9:43 PM

So… you’re not an armed citizen with proper pool control?

J.E. Dyer on August 1, 2012 at 10:17 PM

It’s like O isn’t even trying anymore. He’s just counting on a whe bunch of voters to be as stupid as they were in 2008.

J.E. Dyer on August 1, 2012 at 10:18 PM

Bishop on August 1, 2012 at 9:43 PM

Are you okay?

Cindy Munford on August 1, 2012 at 10:21 PM

It’s like O isn’t even trying anymore. He’s just counting on a whe bunch of voters to be as stupid as they were in 2008.

J.E. Dyer on August 1, 2012 at 10:18 PM

He thinks a majority of the electorate is stupid enough to buy his BS and he is trying to prove it, again. After all, they did last time.

farsighted on August 1, 2012 at 10:25 PM

Does Obama have any idea what defense cuts are in his budget?

No. Barry never was a “details man”. He’s one of those “visionaries”. He sees the forest, but doesn’t realize it’s dying of bark beetle infestation.

GarandFan on August 1, 2012 at 10:35 PM

It’s like O isn’t even trying anymore. He’s just counting on a whe bunch of voters to be as stupid as they were in 2008.

J.E. Dyer on August 1, 2012 at 10:18 PM

Thats the thing JE, he doesn’t have to try very hard.

All he needs to do is win by the same margin as 2008: and that was what 51-52%?

The spread between him & McCain couldn’t have been more than 4% including the MOE. If he wins by less than 1% the MSM will still call it a “blowout”.

Even without the “youth” vote and having at least 75% of the Black voters (i seriously doubt it was ever 90% for any Dem, but another story), the biggest voter block for Romney is going to be the 8% of the country that isn’t working.

TOTUS can try to spin for the masses that all it wants, but that’s a pretty large group to try to BS with another dose of “Hope & Change” and “Forward”.

BlaxPac on August 1, 2012 at 10:35 PM

Worst.president.evah!Now I understand why the new Ford class carriers will not have urinals. If Obumbler had his way, none of the sailors on them would have b..ls, either.

tngmv on August 1, 2012 at 11:14 PM

When President PantLoad woke up this morning he knew 2 things..

1. It was daytime.

2. He really like waffles…

BigWyo on August 1, 2012 at 11:22 PM

Clearly, this is a man who does not believe in DOING HIS HOMEWORK!!!

JohnGalt23 on August 1, 2012 at 7:59 PM

His dog ate it, just before…..

Well…..

You know.

Tenwheeler on August 1, 2012 at 11:25 PM

He thinks a majority of the electorate is stupid enough to buy his BS and he is trying to prove it, again. After all, they did last time.

farsighted on August 1, 2012 at 10:25 PM

Problem is, there’s a whole gob of people that are that f*#&ing stupid.

lester
libfreeordie
inthemiddle…

…Shall I go on???

BigWyo on August 1, 2012 at 11:26 PM

It’s like O isn’t even trying anymore. He’s just counting on a whe bunch of voters to be as stupid as they were in 2008.

J.E. Dyer on August 1, 2012 at 10:18 PM

From The Longest Yard (original version).

“Worked once….”

Tenwheeler on August 1, 2012 at 11:27 PM

This whole administration has had no clue.

SmallGovtGuy on August 1, 2012 at 11:30 PM

It’s pretty obvious that they don’t think sequestration will occur. They’re banking heavily on Boehner backing down.
BKeyser on August 1, 2012 at 9:52 PM
That would be a good bet.
Alabama Infidel on August 1, 2012 at 10:03 P

Heard on the way home that the budget agreement they are hammering out between Reid and Boner funds Obamacare for another six months.

This after the House has voted to repeal Obamacare how many times?

And they are going to vote to continue to fund what they just voted to repeal, knowing it hasn’t a hope in hell of passing in the Senate?

The Emperor may not have clothes, but it is painfully evident the Speaker has no balls, nor anyone else who votes to fund this mess while claiming to repeal it.

“Hey Lucy, did you bring your football? The voters are here.”

Tenwheeler on August 1, 2012 at 11:33 PM

Obama can’t support our troops, but he’s going to support Syrian “rebels” (cough). Send lawyers, guns and money.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/08/01/us-usa-syria-obama-order-idUSBRE8701OK20120801

Philly on August 1, 2012 at 8:11 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5puAN1PGQw&feature=fvwrel

Yep, the sh!t has hit the fan…

Moose Drool on August 2, 2012 at 12:00 AM

When Holder said he never read even his top level memos about Fast and Furious, no way I believe it.

If anyone says Obama has read anything related to this “budget” thing, no way I believe it.

eeyore on August 2, 2012 at 12:17 AM

Münchausen-by-proxy parent

Heh – a great analogy MK, and one I think applies to much more of Obama’s Presidency than just this one issue.

And indeed, this is merely one more case where Obama has not let the facts – regardless of what they are – get in the way of the narrative.

Wolf Howling on August 2, 2012 at 12:28 AM

Does Obama have any idea about anything other than when and where his next fundraiding stop is?

stukinIL4now on August 2, 2012 at 12:44 AM

What happened to the cut the spending rhetoric in 2010? Lolololit

Uppereastside on August 1, 2012 at 8:50 PM

I believe Paul Ryan put forth a plan to cut spending. And was immediately targeted by a TV spot that quite literally had a “Ryanlike character”…pushing Grandma off a cliff.

soundingboard on August 2, 2012 at 1:27 AM

Obama’s team will recommend that Portland AFB should be closed and have their fighters sent to places far away that they can’t protect the airspace of Portland and Seattle. However the Democrats from Oregon & Washington will come out against the recommendations like they did in the 2005 BRAC except maybe for Patty Murray this time.

Kaitian on August 2, 2012 at 5:09 AM

99 days……………

flackcatcher on August 2, 2012 at 7:18 AM

I don’t know how anyone can keep a straight face talking to our Commander-in-Choom when he says anything about the military. Secondly, about everything the White House Cell does is a question of incompetence or intent. Why not this? They’re not counting on military votes, for sure. They’ll just be intercepted and dumpstered anyway. Far more to gain contribution-wise in being able to privately tell well-heeled, irony-addicted lefty donors that they flew into a base that will be closing. Ha ha. In your FACE, defenders of “freedom”. You rubes. Big-time post-modern frisson for flush Hollywooders, fashionistas and their less-flush urban hipster d-bag fans…as they reach for their check books.

curved space on August 2, 2012 at 7:21 AM

Obama’s team will recommend that Portland AFB should be closed and have their fighters sent to places far away that they can’t protect the airspace of Portland and Seattle. However the Democrats from Oregon & Washington will come out against the recommendations like they did in the 2005 BRAC except maybe for Patty Murray this time.

Kaitian on August 2, 2012 at 5:09 AM

That’s the nature of BRAC. The Portsmouth Naval Shipyard, for example, was spared because of the politicians from Maine and New Hampshire.

And to the topic at hand, no Obama has no clue about defense spending. He didn’t think up the idea of saving money by another two rounds of BRAC in 2013 and 2015, this idea has been around for years. The last BRAC (2005) even suggested that the next BRAC should occur in 2015. This was part of the DoD submission to the Presidential budget. I seriously doubt that jug-ears himself knows the difference between a C-27 and the JSF.

Happy Nomad on August 2, 2012 at 7:48 AM

Look, it’s not Obama’s fault. His giant brain gets easily bored at those briefings with all their dull numbers and droning department heads. He would prefer to just let the hired help clean up the details so he can keep his head clear for thinking Really Big Thoughts.

I mean, isn’t that what the hired help is for? Obama needs to be free to keep us moving Forward, y’all.

Besides, can’t you see how hard he’s working already? Why, even at official campaign stops he doesn’t have the type to roll his sleeves back down and put on a coat and tie to speak, he keeps his sleeves rolled up – you never know when he’s going to have to direct medical aid to a swooning female or change a tire in the parking lot.

Adjoran on August 2, 2012 at 7:53 AM

Tell the peeps what they want to hear when the camera is rolling, then lay them off when it’s not–AFTER November 6.

Obama: I won. You lose.

Steve Z on August 2, 2012 at 10:33 AM

Running with scissors

More like skateboarding with an axe and a machete. Shovel-ready.

Steve Z on August 2, 2012 at 10:36 AM

There is a redundancy in terms of the aircraft that this National Guard air base is home to

Bull! The C27 has the short field capability that is badly needed. Less of these birds mean more ground convoys through the battlefield as many forward bases can’t handle the larger transports currently in use. That means LIVES LOST.
Playing politics with the lives of my Son’s, both of whom serve. Carney, you are a tool.

JusDreamin on August 2, 2012 at 10:41 AM