Cardinal to Emanuel: Just what exactly are Chicago values?

posted at 8:41 am on July 31, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel insists that he won’t back down from his suggestion that Chick-fil-A doesn’t meet his standard of “Chicago values,” although his staff has tried to backpedal a little since.  In a press conference yesterday, Emanuel sounded defiant as he defended “Chicago values”:

Mayor Rahm Emanuel said Monday he has no regrets about saying that “Chick-fil-A’s values are not Chicago’s values” because the company president opposes gay marriage.

“No. I don’t” regret it, the mayor said under questioning at an unrelated jobs announcement.

“And the simple reason is, when it comes to values, there’s a policy as it relates to gay marriage. The values of our city are ones that welcome and recognize that, and I will continue to fight for that.”

“Values that welcome”?  To have any meaning at all, “welcome” means open to those who disagree with you.  Tolerance means engaging with those whose religion or political beliefs differ.  Engaging with only those who march in lockstep with your own agenda is actually the antithesis of “tolerance” and “welcoming.”

We’ll get back to that in a moment.  First, a native Chicagoan who also happens to lead the Archdiocese of Chicago wrote an open letter to Emanuel asking for clarification on the meaning — and enforcement — of “Chicago values.”  Francis Cardinal George called this “a defining moment” for civil unions, and not the kind related to marriage:

Recent comments by those who administer our city seem to assume that the city government can decide for everyone what are the “values” that must be held by citizens of Chicago. I was born and raised here, and my understanding of being a Chicagoan never included submitting my value system to the government for approval. Must those whose personal values do not conform to those of the government of the day move from the city? Is the City Council going to set up a “Council Committee on Un-Chicagoan Activities” and call those of us who are suspect to appear before it? I would have argued a few days ago that I believe such a move is, if I can borrow a phrase, “un-Chicagoan.” …

People who are not Christian or religious at all take for granted that marriage is the union of a man and a woman for the sake of family and, of its nature, for life. The laws of civilizations much older than ours assume this understanding of marriage. This is also what religious leaders of almost all faiths have taught throughout the ages. Jesus affirmed this understanding of marriage when he spoke of “two becoming one flesh” (Mt. 19: 4-6). Was Jesus a bigot? Could Jesus be accepted as a Chicagoan? Would Jesus be more “enlightened” if he had the privilege of living in our society? One is welcome to believe that, of course; but it should not become the official state religion, at least not in a land that still fancies itself free. Surely there must be a way to properly respect people who are gay or lesbian without using civil law to undermine the nature of marriage.

Surely we can find a way not to play off newly invented individual rights to “marriage” against constitutionally protected freedom of religious belief and religious practice. The State’s attempting to redefine marriage has become a defining moment not for marriage, which is what it is, but for our increasingly fragile “civil union” as citizens.

In my column for The Week today, I argue that Emanuel’s intolerance — selective intolerance, actually — bears a lot more resemblance to the intolerance of noted 20th-century authoritarian systems than to traditional American ideas of freedom:

The past two weeks have brought to light a truly disturbing political demonstration — and it has nothing to do with presidential elections or generic congressional ballots. At least three mayors in some of America’s largest cities, as well as plenty of other city officials, have publicly demanded political orthodoxy as a condition of doing business in their metropolises. Political correctness has transformed into a strange American version of fascism — over a chicken filet sandwich and an opinion about marriage that even our Democratic president officially held as recently as two months ago. …

In Chicago, Mayor Rahm Emanuel declared that Chick-fil-A did not represent “Chicago values,” and suggested that Chick-fil-A invest its money elsewhere. Chicago, by the way, has the third-highest unemployment rate in the nation among major cities, so it seems odd that its mayor would tell Chick-fil-A to take a hike for having the exact same position on marriage that Emanuel’s former boss — President Barack Obama — held the entire time Emanuel worked at the White House. Even more odd, at the same time Emanuel declared Chick-fil-A fast-fooda non grata, he rolled out the red carpet for Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan to have his acolytes patrol Chicago neighborhoods. Not only is Farrakhan a well-known anti-Semite, he also opposes same-sex marriage. In fact, Farrakhan publicly blasted Obama for flip-flopping on the issue in May.

Emanuel later backed down, but not one of the local alderman, who still demanded a pledge from Cathy to quit associating with groups that oppose gay marriage as a prerequisite for a business permit. A councilman in New York made a similar threat. San Francisco Mayor Edwin Lee kept his attack on freedom of thought to Twitter, noting that the closest Chick-fil-A outlet was 40 miles away — and that the company shouldn’t try to get any closer.

People can certainly choose not to eat at Chick-fil-A if they don’t like Cathy’s views on same-sex marriage.  That’s a free-market response to political activism, and comes from the liberty of individuals being able to choose for themselves the free associations that best fits their needs.  When government demands loyalty to a political agenda rather than compliance with the law as a prerequisite for businesses to operate in their jurisdiction, that’s not freedom or a free market: it’s fascism, plain and simple, as well as extortion, which always goes hand in hand with fascism.

Update: Aaron Walker concurs, and adds this:

[The] syllogism is simple, but it bears repeating:
1.         The right to vote implies the right to choose freely on every subject relevant to that vote.
2.         The right to choose implies the right to receive information and hear arguments about that choice.
3.         We cannot receive information and arguments about the choices we make in our democracy unless people are free to express themselves.
4.         Therefore freedom of expression is essentially to democracy.
And so when an official seeks not only to regulate behavior but even opinion and expression, then that person is seeking to create a very real tyranny, to strike at democracy itself.  And we should have absolutely no tolerance of that.
So yes, even if you support gay marriage—hell even if you are gay—get a sandwich at Chick-Fil-A.  Because this isn’t about gay marriage anymore.  This is about freedom of speech.

Exactly.

Update II: These days, new Chick-fil-A outlets are likely to be licensed rather than corporate owned, and that means that Emanuel and others may be locking out those who agree with them anyway.


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Good for him…

OmahaConservative on July 31, 2012 at 8:44 AM

study history folks……1930 Germany is upon us…..

SDarchitect on July 31, 2012 at 8:46 AM

Nicely written, Ed. Home run.

Oh….and to those who would rather American Christians go away and keep our mouths shut, and forego our faith for a Godless Political Ideology?

You guys are in for a shock. I’ve read The Book. I know how this ends.

kingsjester on July 31, 2012 at 8:46 AM

Nice little church ya got there, Cardinal…be a shame if anything bad happened to it.

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coldwarrior on July 31, 2012 at 8:48 AM

study history folks……1930 Germany is upon us…..

SDarchitect on July 31, 2012 at 8:46 AM

this

Oh….and to those who would rather American Christians go away and keep our mouths shut, and forego our faith for a Godless Political Ideology?

You guys are in for a shock. I’ve read The Book. I know how this ends.

kingsjester on July 31, 2012 at 8:46 AM

and this.

For those that refuse to see it, or dismiss it as “can’t happen here” type stuff, you need to wake up.

Lost in Jersey on July 31, 2012 at 8:49 AM

Good on Ed and the Cardinal for calling out the fascist thug Mayor of Chicago.

WannabeAnglican on July 31, 2012 at 8:50 AM

Would Jesus be allowed to open a Chick-fil-a in Chicago?….

albill on July 31, 2012 at 8:50 AM

creeping fascism
disgusting
i will truly eat at chik filet 2x a week instead of once a month

losarkos on July 31, 2012 at 8:51 AM

study history folks……1930 Germany is upon us…..

SDarchitect on July 31, 2012 at 8:46 AM

Curious. If memory serves me, 1930 Germany didn’t tolerate gays either. As a matter of fact, didn’t they tend to shoot them?

pilamaye on July 31, 2012 at 8:52 AM

For those that refuse to see it, or dismiss it as “can’t happen here” type stuff, you need to wake up.

Lost in Jersey on July 31, 2012 at 8:49 AM

But how to make them wake up! There are none so blind as those who will not see.

esr1951 on July 31, 2012 at 8:54 AM

Kill businesses to pander for less than 2% of the population.

docflash on July 31, 2012 at 8:55 AM

No one should be shocked by Rahm’s attitude as mayor.

It’s a restrained version of how his brother Ari runs the second-largest talent agency.

Think network television has become crap over the past 10-20 years. Thank Ari. Whenever you see “repped by WME”, that’s him by proxy. Agents truly control the production deals, not studios, so Ari’s peeps have his “value system” at work, which means if you’re not a prog, best STFU or never work.

The Emanuel Brothers have been a blight on this country for decades.

The only good thing of all of this, is Rahm’s national career has run its course. I’m sure someday, he’ll toy with a Senate run. But hopefully, his disastrous turn as mayor will thwart that.

budfox on July 31, 2012 at 8:55 AM

Curious. If memory serves me, 1930 Germany didn’t tolerate gays either. As a matter of fact, didn’t they tend to shoot them?

pilamaye on July 31, 2012 at 8:52 AM

Yeah, for the most part. Hitler tolerated a few gays that were useful to him (I think the head of the brown shirts was gay) … and then get rid of them. However, if they weren’t useful at all, he shipped them out to the camps.

OrbeaRider66 on July 31, 2012 at 8:57 AM

Liberal Fascism.

visions on July 31, 2012 at 9:01 AM

A little more of this, please. Your move, Cardinal Dolan.

monalisa on July 31, 2012 at 9:01 AM

Terrific piece !
Thanks Ed .
Now if you could only stop the pop up ads……..

Lucano on July 31, 2012 at 9:01 AM

If the tables were turned and these were all Republican mayors with Romney as president, you can bet the corrupt press would be asking Romney if he believes those who differ with him (on his latest stance) on gay marriage don’t hold Chicago or American values.

And they would go find every Republican rep and talking head to drive it home. (Just like they did with Romney’s taxes.) They would put them on the spot.

kevinkristy on July 31, 2012 at 9:02 AM

All you folks who scoffed at the idea of a thought police ever rising from the rotten roots of socialism…what do you think now?

SKYFOX on July 31, 2012 at 9:02 AM

+1 kj

cmsinaz on July 31, 2012 at 9:04 AM

Rahm Emanuel has always oozed thuggish greasiness. I’m confident that his tolerant views on gay marriage are nothing more than political expedience. He’s nothing more than a professional bully. I thought the left hated bullies.

BettyRuth on July 31, 2012 at 9:04 AM

The Cardinal’s letter is wonderful. I especially liked the following sentence.

I was born and raised here, and my understanding of being a Chicagoan never included submitting my value system to the government for approval.

burt on July 31, 2012 at 9:05 AM

For Emanuel, a Jew at least by heritage, to welcome Farrakahn at the same time he lectures about intolerant chicken sandwiches is the height of hypocrisy that spells out Chicago values far more clearly than Rham Emanuel probably intended.

Because there is no question that Emanuel knows exactly what Farrakahn thinks about Jews, Chicago values clearly only extends to Christian hate. I don’t know what CFA intends to do but to have political leaders declare chicken-free zones against a company seems to me a no-brainer lawsuit that could cost the city millions. After all, CFA hasn’t engaged in any sort of discrimination but their CEO has stated his values in a Baptist magazine. Values which are hardly new or evolved from the company that has closed its restaurants on Sundays since the very beginning.

Happy Nomad on July 31, 2012 at 9:06 AM

You can’t fight city hall.

Especially if it’s run by thugs.

tru2tx on July 31, 2012 at 9:09 AM

Great letter! But who cares? Didn’t you hear Romneys aide told reporters to “kiss my a.., in Poland? Now that’s major news…

sandee on July 31, 2012 at 9:10 AM

Ed forgot to include Boston’s own Mayor”Mumbles” Menino.

The truly sad thing is the populace continue to elect and re-elect these small people to high places.

As for the Roman Catholic Church, I long ago dropped out. They have consistently supported the left wing in this country in nearly every question. Now, now they cry foul when the alligator bites them. I have no sympathy for the Cardinal.

FOWG1 on July 31, 2012 at 9:10 AM

What Rahm-A-Dam-A-Ding-Dong either fails to grasp, or just like other long time residents of the city, he is used to it, is that the very mention of the name “Chicago” automatically brings visions of organized crime and political corruption run rampant to mind to anyone even remotely familiar with the history of the city.

So where the heck Rammie gets the concept of the city having “values” from, I have no idea. Unless those “values” he is refering to are preceded by dollar signs.

pilamaye on July 31, 2012 at 9:10 AM

Liberal Fascism.

visions on July 31, 2012 at 9:01 AM

Jonah Goldberg was right.

Only, I didn’t realize after having read it in January 2008 how fast it would come to pass.

Difficultas_Est_Imperium on July 31, 2012 at 9:12 AM

Im always amazed to see Emanuel make it through a presser without cursing.

Valkyriepundit on July 31, 2012 at 9:13 AM

When government Democrats demand loyalty to a political agenda rather than compliance with the law as a prerequisite for businesses to operate in their jurisdiction, that’s not freedom or a free market: it’s fascism, plain and simple, as well as extortion, which always goes hand in hand with fascism.

…THIS… is not our dads Democratic party!
Problem is…people STILL THINK it is!

KOOLAID2 on July 31, 2012 at 9:14 AM

We are under attack, but we have 14 weeks from today to go before we make them hear our voices. I don’t think they are going to like what they hear.
Also, on another note, I read Romney’s Warsaw speech and it brought tears to my eyes. Very good speech, which hopefully a few Polish Chicago residents will appreciate.

txmomof6 on July 31, 2012 at 9:14 AM

Cardinal to Emanuel: Just what exactly are Chicago values?

Amazingly, we have a JEW mayor, Rahm Emmanuel, creating a “krystallnacht” atmosphere in the city of Chicago against apparently anyone not supporting his leftist ‘thought-police’ agenda. :(

Yet unlike during Nazi Germany, we have heroic people like Francis Cardinal George standing up to the hob-nailed thuggery of the likes of Mayor Emmanuel.

BigSven on July 31, 2012 at 9:16 AM

The Cardinal’s letter is wonderful. I especially liked the following sentence.

I was born and raised here, and my understanding of being a Chicagoan never included submitting my value system to the government for approval.

burt on July 31, 2012 at 9:05 AM

I’m glad I’m not the only one who thought about the government approval of beliefs. I actually had a debate on Facebook with someone who posted the Bostonian Mayor’s letter and asked “Where does it stop? Will I be turned down for a home loan if the bank finds out my personal beliefs and they don’t agree with them? Or if somehow the mayor of a city or town I want to move to finds out what I believe and doesn’t agree with me, will I be forced to move?”

Of course they just dismissed that and didn’t even really respond, but it is a relevant question.

MobileVideoEngineer on July 31, 2012 at 9:17 AM

…THIS… is not our dads Democratic party!
Problem is…people STILL THINK it is!

KOOLAID2 on July 31, 2012 at 9:14 AM

No, it’s not.

kingsjester on July 31, 2012 at 9:18 AM

However, if they weren’t useful at all, he shipped them out to the camps.

OrbeaRider66 on July 31, 2012 at 8:57 AM

The heart of German National Socialism was the idea of racial purity and superiority. It went beyond shipping out Jews, gays, gypsies, and others considered undesirable. Women were ordered sterilized by the state if it was deemed their offspring would not be racially pure. Individuals were dismissed from their government jobs if they were not deemed racially pure or if their spouse was not deemed racially pure. Pastors and Priests were arrested for speaking out against the state and their leaders were arrested with some being executed.

Rahm Emanuel and the other Dem leaders engaged in this war on religious freedom and thought are modern-day nazis. There is no other way to see it. As a business, you either believe what the state wants you to believe or you will not be allowed to engage in the freedoms enjoyed by companies that do obey. It goes beyond thuggery to the very kind of intolerance that fueled German National Socialism. Clearly the next step is to follow the demands of Marion Barry and drive the Jews, Asians, and Pollacks (Barry’s word) out of “black” cities.

Happy Nomad on July 31, 2012 at 9:18 AM

Don’t forget: tomorrow is Chick-fil-A Appreciation Day.

Go out tomorrow, buy something there, and speak volumes with your wallet. It will show these leftist loons that we will not let them dictate where we eat and who we are allowed to support.

OneVision on July 31, 2012 at 9:19 AM

This is so much like what Obama does in bringing up his “values”. He’ll mention some policy issue, and then gives his position, saying to do otherwise is “not the kind of country we are”. Which to me is a pure rationalization, that is, rather than having values and operating out of them, you start with what you want to do and then rationalize (that is, lie, or make up some story about why you do what you do). It’s the opposite of acting from your values.

They’re not acting from a place of values. They’re doing what’s politically correct. Three months ago, before Obama was on board with the ghey wagon train, that was different. Now, it’s expedient to ban CFA. It’s politically correct. CFA is “not who we are”. Did “who we are” change in the last 3 months? Apparently, some people changed who they are, and their personal values, in the last 3 months. If people can change their personal values so easily, does that mean sexual orientation can be changed too? (ha!)

Paul-Cincy on July 31, 2012 at 9:19 AM

Nicely done Cardinal…how about bouncing the kennedys, pelosis and any other scum bag liberal that goes against church teaching…sinners we all are but they refuse to see and repent….

crosshugger on July 31, 2012 at 9:21 AM

Im always amazed to see Emanuel make it through a presser without cursing.

Valkyriepundit on July 31, 2012 at 9:13 AM

Isn’t it comical for someone who routinely verbally abuses others to talk about “values”?

Paul-Cincy on July 31, 2012 at 9:23 AM

Chicago values, where gang-bangers think twice before shooting little kids. I’ll just say “no thank you” to Chicago values.

rbj on July 31, 2012 at 9:23 AM

So where the heck Rammie gets the concept of the city having “values” from, I have no idea. Unless those “values” he is refering to are preceded by dollar signs.

pilamaye on July 31, 2012 at 9:10 AM

That part of his little hissy fit gave me the giggles. IMO Chicago and values are normally considered at opposite ends of the spectrum. A company should consider it a complement to not have Chicago values – corruption, crime etc.

katiejane on July 31, 2012 at 9:26 AM

fast-fooda non grata

Nice!

pookysgirl on July 31, 2012 at 9:26 AM

They’re not acting from a place of values. They’re doing what’s politically correct. Three months ago, before Obama was on board with the ghey wagon train, that was different. Now, it’s expedient to ban CFA. It’s politically correct. CFA is “not who we are”. Did “who we are” change in the last 3 months? Apparently, some people changed who they are, and their personal values, in the last 3 months. If people can change their personal values so easily, does that mean sexual orientation can be changed too? (ha!)

Paul-Cincy on July 31, 2012 at 9:19 AM

Ha is right. They all (the left) base everything off of emotion and platitudes. The people I debated on Facebook actually had the audacity to compare the homosexual “plight” of not being able to marry to that of the slaves, the Jews, and the Japanese Americans during World War II. There is quite a difference there if you ask me. I don’t remember any homosexuals being used for slave labor, being put in furnaces and gas chambers, or being imprisoned simply for their ethnicity during war in our era.

MobileVideoEngineer on July 31, 2012 at 9:27 AM

Is the City Council going to set up a “Council Committee on Un-Chicagoan Activities”

Double plus Ungood.

ted c on July 31, 2012 at 9:27 AM

Chicago values: A gentle slide into fascism, perhaps?

Zing!

BRAVO, Mr. Ed.

locomotivebreath1901 on July 31, 2012 at 9:27 AM

study history folks……1930 Germany is upon us…..

SDarchitect on July 31, 2012 at 8:46 AM

I am getting that same feeling.

ted c on July 31, 2012 at 9:30 AM

Yet unlike during Nazi Germany, we have heroic people like Francis Cardinal George standing up to the hob-nailed thuggery of the likes of Mayor Emmanuel.

BigSven on July 31, 2012 at 9:16 AM

The only institutional group to stand up to Hitler and the German National Socialists was a group of Protestant (Evangelical) religious leaders. A group driven from state churches when they did not agree that the church’s disolving youth programs because they were redundant with the Hitler Youth. A group that spoke out against the National Socialists from the pulpit.

The Roman Catholic church essentially made a deal with Hitler that is still a matter of some secrecy and whitewashing. It might have kept the “Papist” churches open but at what cost? Likewise the other German institutions (finance, academia, etc) toed the line instead of standing up to this kind of atrocity.

This is the lesson we need to remember and why we need to attack when fascist bullies like Emanuel and his fellow mayors gang together to single out individuals and companies for not devolving down to their supposed values.

Happy Nomad on July 31, 2012 at 9:33 AM

Thanks for reminder onevision

cmsinaz on July 31, 2012 at 9:38 AM

“Chicago Values” are three thugs beating up an 87 year old WWII vet today. Chicagoans must be so proud.

TulsAmerican on July 31, 2012 at 9:38 AM

I’d give up a paycheck to any reporter who asked Rahm “Muslims are fervently anti-gay, on the ‘stone them to death’ end of that spectrum…Are they allowed in Chicago?”

Patrick S on July 31, 2012 at 9:40 AM

As for the Roman Catholic Church, I long ago dropped out. They have consistently supported the left wing in this country in nearly every question. Now, now they cry foul when the alligator bites them. I have no sympathy for the Cardinal.

FOWG1 on July 31, 2012 at 9:10 AM

Don’t you think you would have better results in the future if you supported the curch in this instance? Wouldn’t it be better to have them owe you one than for you to cut off your nose to spite your face? So to speak.

Vince on July 31, 2012 at 9:41 AM

“Chicago Values” are three thugs beating up an 87 year old WWII vet today. Chicagoans must be so proud.

TulsAmerican on July 31, 2012 at 9:38 AM

Depends. Do we know what the 87-year-old thinks about same-sex unions? Because, using the Chicago Values evaluation system, if that old man did not agree with Emanuel and his outspoken Aldermen, then the old man got exactly what he deserved.

Happy Nomad on July 31, 2012 at 9:43 AM

Rahm Emanuel has always oozed thuggish greasiness. I’m confident that his tolerant views on gay marriage are nothing more than political expedience. He’s nothing more than a professional bully. I thought the left hated bullies.

BettyRuth on July 31, 2012 at 9:04 AM

Well, “Tiny Dancer” Emanuel used to perform ballet, didn’t he? Probably has a bit of personal attachment to the issue in addition to its politics. Just sayin’.

TXUS on July 31, 2012 at 9:43 AM

Excellent letter. I am certain when he talks about “the State”, he is not talking about an individual state, say Illinois or Minnesota, but the United States, no ?

When government demands loyalty to a political agenda rather than compliance with the law as a prerequisite for businesses to operate in their jurisdiction, that’s not freedom or a free market: it’s fascism

It is also communism, Ed, socialism, stalinism, Maoism and overall Totalitarianism.

runner on July 31, 2012 at 9:44 AM

Iowahawk’s Tweet summed it all up best. I don’t have the direct quote since I can’t do Twitter from work, but it was along the lines of:

“There’s a place in my town that sells chicken sandwiches that’s run by a guy who doesn’t like gay marriage.” — The ultimate First World problem.

JamesS on July 31, 2012 at 9:44 AM

This is just another of the Dems patented Shiny Things. Every day the press talks about Chick Fil-A is a day they’re not talking about the SCOAMF’s disastrous presidency. Keep the focus where it belongs.

RobertE on July 31, 2012 at 9:45 AM

When you start using “What would Jesus do” to promote an ideology (any ideology), you’ve pretty much hit the bottom of the $hit barrel…

imho

repvoter on July 31, 2012 at 9:46 AM

What a great letter.
By the way, where is the republican leadership on this? or the conservative leadership for that matter.
Romney hasn’t even condemned Menino of his beloved Boston. Cowards all.

AmeriCuda on July 31, 2012 at 9:46 AM

I don’t remember any homosexuals being used for slave labor, being put in furnaces and gas chambers, or being imprisoned simply for their ethnicity during war in our era.

MobileVideoEngineer on July 31, 2012 at 9:27 AM

You could look at what the Brits did to Alan Turing for an example of a government abusing a war hero because of his sexuality.

dedalus on July 31, 2012 at 9:47 AM

I went to Chick-Fil-A this weekend. When I asked if business has been better/worse lately, the guy working there said he thought it was about the same, but lots of customers want to talk about the controversy (suburban Dallas area). He was good natured, laughed about it and told me another CFA in the area was run by a gay man.

Mayday on July 31, 2012 at 10:00 AM

study history folks……1930 Germany is upon us…..

SDarchitect on July 31, 2012 at 8:46 AM
Curious. If memory serves me, 1930 Germany didn’t tolerate gays either. As a matter of fact, didn’t they tend to shoot them?

I think the point was when government decides to make up people’s minds instead of letting them do it themselves. Curious how such a subtle point escapes the understanding of an oaf. But, then liberals never did have much of an understanding of history or argument.

logicman_1998 on July 31, 2012 at 10:10 AM

JamesS: the Iowahawk tweet can be found at https://twitter.com/iowahawkblog/status/228547392667009024 — it’s like you said.

J.S.K. on July 31, 2012 at 10:14 AM

Your problem is not with free-thinkers or those who support individual rights and liberty.

It’s with the people allowing these politicians to fob them off with sonorous promises and demagoguery as a means of stealing their freedom.

They’ve made politics a game. A game where the rules are fixed and the outcome is apparently not as important as winning. Whatever that might be.

People that live in Chicago or New York for that matter constantly vote to these tyrants. They call those telling the truth partisans or other names as a means of justifying their foolish choices. They deserve their comeuppance which is a result of deliberate choices.

Marcus Traianus on July 31, 2012 at 10:14 AM

By the way, if Chicago values require support for same-sex marriage, then why is it not possible for a same-sex couple to get married in Chicago, or anywhere in Illinois?

J.S.K. on July 31, 2012 at 10:15 AM

Will I be turned down for a home loan if the bank finds out my personal beliefs and they don’t agree with them? Or if somehow the mayor of a city or town I want to move to finds out what I believe and doesn’t agree with me, will I be forced to move?”

Of course they just dismissed that and didn’t even really respond, but it is a relevant question.

MobileVideoEngineer on July 31, 2012 at 9:17 AM

The dismissal answers your question in the affirmative.

This is no joke, people.

The left is losing and is getting very desperate. There are no depths of depravity, immorality or hypocrisy that are too deep for them to plumb in their quest to crush free people and submit them to tyranny. They only freedom in which they believe is the freedom to do only as they dictate.

The gulags are not far off if we allow them to prevail.

mr.blacksheep on July 31, 2012 at 10:16 AM

I went through RCIA in/ am a former member of the Archdiocese of Chicago.
Cardinal George can be a squish-see his unwillingness to ‘fire’ Michael Pfleger etc-but his letter to Rahm was SPOT. ON.
Outstanding, Cardinal George. Outstanding.

annoyinglittletwerp on July 31, 2012 at 10:18 AM

I’m glad I’m not the only one who thought about the government approval of beliefs. I actually had a debate on Facebook with someone who posted the Bostonian Mayor’s letter and asked “Where does it stop? Will I be turned down for a home loan if the bank finds out my personal beliefs and they don’t agree with them? Or if somehow the mayor of a city or town I want to move to finds out what I believe and doesn’t agree with me, will I be forced to move?”

Of course they just dismissed that and didn’t even really respond, but it is a relevant question.

MobileVideoEngineer on July 31, 2012 at 9:17 AM

Precisely.

These thought police type actions are incredibly dangerous.

Amazing to me that those who self identify as being “Liberal” don’t see how dangerous this is.

KMC1 on July 31, 2012 at 10:24 AM

For Emanuel, a Jew at least by heritage, to welcome Farrakahn at the same time he lectures about intolerant chicken sandwiches is the height of hypocrisy that spells out Chicago values far more clearly than Rham Emanuel probably intended.

Because there is no question that Emanuel knows exactly what Farrakahn thinks about Jews, Chicago values clearly only extends to Christian hate. I don’t know what CFA intends to do but to have political leaders declare chicken-free zones against a company seems to me a no-brainer lawsuit that could cost the city millions. After all, CFA hasn’t engaged in any sort of discrimination but their CEO has stated his values in a Baptist magazine. Values which are hardly new or evolved from the company that has closed its restaurants on Sundays since the very beginning.

Happy Nomad on July 31, 2012 at 9:06 AM

He is a blight on Jews, as are most liberal Jews. Farrakhan is just one issue, how could ANY Jew, ANY Jew I repeat, work with Manchurian and drive the anti-Jewish and anti-Israeli policies? Soros, Hollywood, Upper West/East sides, are all nothing but scum that give the rest of us bad name.

Jews were the ones to organize and pay for the 1917 Russian Revolution, after the fact they were mostly exterminated (first useful idiots as described by Ulianov) and those who managed to avoid that fate became lickspittles to Stalin and promptly changed their names to slavic variants (no doubt because they were so proud of the revolution effort and what they brought onto the world). Those who left prior to 1917 and those who managed to escape after are what’s known today as USA Jewry, for the most part, as stupid and as liberal as their ancestors.

My deep apology for my tribe and shame.

riddick on July 31, 2012 at 10:29 AM

Amazing to me that those who self identify as being “Liberal” don’t see how dangerous this is.

KMC1 on July 31, 2012 at 10:24 AM

They see it as confirmation that what they believe is right. They don’t realize how quickly things change once the takeover is complete.

Gay? Um, Sharia Law doesn’t look so kindly upon that.

Fallon on July 31, 2012 at 10:30 AM

Nazis.

SailorMark on July 31, 2012 at 10:31 AM

The Roman Catholic church essentially made a deal with Hitler that is still a matter of some secrecy and whitewashing. It might have kept the “Papist” churches open but at what cost? Likewise the other German institutions (finance, academia, etc) toed the line instead of standing up to this kind of atrocity.
Happy Nomad on July 31, 2012 at 9:33 AM

“Prior to the Nazi invasion, the Pope had been working hard to get Jews out of Italy by emigration; he now was forced to turn his attention to finding them hiding places: “[t]he Pope sent out the order that religious buildings were to give refuge to Jews, even at the price of great personal sacrifice on the part of their occupants; he released monasteries and convents from the cloister rule forbidding entry into these religious houses to all but a few specified outsiders, so that they could be used as hiding places. Thousands of Jews — the figures run from 4,000 to 7,000 — were hidden, fed, clothed, and bedded in the 180 known places of refuge in Vatican City, churches and basilicas, Church administrative buildings, and parish houses. Unknown numbers of Jews were sheltered in Castel Gandolfo, the site of the Pope’s summer residence, private homes, hospitals, and nursing institutions; and the Pope took personal responsibility for the care of the children of Jews deported from Italy…”

http://listverse.com/2008/11/06/10-people-who-saved-jews-during-world-war-two/

A lot of Catholics and Catholic Religious died in concentration camps…

“The negative consequences of speaking out strongly were only too well known.

“In one tragic instance, the Archbishop of Utrecht was warned by the Nazis not to protest the deportation of Dutch Jews. He spoke out anyway and in retaliation the Catholic Jews of Holland were sent to their death. One of them was the Carmelite philosopher, Edith Stein.”

“The desire to keep a low profile was expressed by the people Pius XII helped. A Jewish couple from Berlin who had been held in concentration camps but escaped to Spain with the help of Pius XII, stated: “None of us wanted the Pope to take an open stand. We were all fugitives, and fugitives do not wish to be pointed at. The Gestapo would have become more excited and would have intensified its inquisitions. If the Pope had protested, Rome would have become the center of attention. It was better that the Pope said nothing. We all shared this opinion at the time, and this is still our conviction today.”[11]

While the U.S., Great Britain, and other countries often refused to allow Jewish refugees to immigrate during the war, the Vatican was issuing tens of thousands of false documents to allow Jews to pass secretly as Christians so they could escape the Nazis. What is more, the financial aid Pius XII helped provide the Jews was very real. Lichten, Lapide, and other Jewish chroniclers record those funds as being in the millions of dollars—dollars even more valuable then than they are now…”

“In Three Popes and the Jews Lapide estimated the total number of Jews that had been spared as a result of Pius XII’s throwing the Church’s weight into the clandestine struggle to save them. After totaling the numbers of Jews saved in different areas and deducting the numbers saved by other causes, such as the praiseworthy efforts of some European Protestants, “The final number of Jewish lives in whose rescue the Catholic Church had been the instrument is thus at least 700,000 souls, but in all probability it is much closer to . . . 860,000.”[21] This is a total larger than all other Jewish relief organizations in Europe, combined, were able to save. Lapide calculated that Pius XII and the Church he headed constituted the most successful Jewish aid organization in all of Europe during the war, dwarfing the Red Cross and all other aid societies….”

http://www.catholic.com/documents/how-pius-xii-protected-jews#T10

So it’s complicated…But efforts of the Pope and the Church were recognized by prominent rabbis in the Jewish Community of the time.

workingclass artist on July 31, 2012 at 10:37 AM

Hey Rahm! TAKE YOUR FOOT OUT OF YOUR MOUTH! At least, stop digging that hole you’re in.

GarandFan on July 31, 2012 at 10:38 AM

People with Chicago values;

Al Capone
Rahm Emanuel
Dan Rostenkoski
Rod Blogojevich
Jesse Jackson Junior

banzaibob on July 31, 2012 at 10:43 AM

It’s a merger of church and state, where the state controls what you may believe and thus, controls your civic activities within the economy and the political system.

Essentially, these mayors are declaring that IF you have Christian, Jewish, Muslim religious beliefs, which all reject same-sex marriage, THEN, you may not engage in economic activities within ‘their’ domain. This is a violation of the fundamental freedom of belief and religion – and economic freedom- that exists in the US Constitution.

What is also astonishing in this thought-control agenda, is that the CEO of Chick-Fil-A holds these beliefs personally; he does not discriminate against gays who work in his stores, who may be managers, who purchase his food. He’s just stating his beliefs about marriage.

And equally astonishing is the left mindset that considers that IF you reject gay marriage, THEN you are by definition a bigot. That assumes that gay marriage is a fundamental human right. No, it’s a social belief, it’s a construct of a society – and there are other social beliefs within other ideological systems (religious) that reject it.

Leftism doesn’t allow diversity of beliefs; it doesn’t allow dissent. It is intolerant and can only be compared with fascism and communism.

ETAB on July 31, 2012 at 10:44 AM

Happy Nomad on July 31, 2012 at 9:33 AM

“Albert Einstein: “Only the Catholic Church protested against the Hitlerian onslaught on liberty. Up till then I had not been interested in the Church, but today I feel a great admiration for the Church, which alone has had the courage to struggle for spiritual truth and moral liberty.”

Pinchas E. Lapide, Three Popes and the Jews (New York: Hawthorn, 1967)

workingclass artist on July 31, 2012 at 10:44 AM

Nicely written, Ed. Home run.

Oh….and to those who would rather American Christians go away and keep our mouths shut, and forego our faith for a Godless Political Ideology?

You guys are in for a shock. I’ve read The Book. I know how this ends.

kingsjester on July 31, 2012 at 8:46 AM

Actually, nicely written kingsjester!

dominigan on July 31, 2012 at 10:48 AM

Would Jesus be allowed to open a Chick-fil-a in Chicago?….

albill on July 31, 2012 at 8:50 AM

trigon on July 31, 2012 at 10:51 AM

To those who say “the Church made its bed, to hell with them”, know this. The Church is not the injured party here, Chick Fil A and the Cathy family are and the family is Baptist. This is about the entirety of the First Amendment. Conservatives for too long have harped on the 2nd and more recently the 10th, but have often stood by as the 1st was undermined (Patriot Act). Now it’s clear that the Left wants to strip the 1st of meaning. Does anyone think Rahm Emanuel’s course is not directed from the WH. He worked there as CoS for 2+ years. What you see in Chicago now is what America will see if Obama wins.The LGBT community would have launched a boycott and probably made business in Chi or Boston unprofitable for CFA. That’s a traditional path free people take to express their disapproval, but in both Boston and Chicago the govt stepped in and said “NO! We don’t approve of your opinions!” They didn’t just say “Stay Out”, they said the govt will not let you in.I don’t care if that message had been directed at Scientologists, Wiccans, even the American Nazi Party,that message cannot be allowed to go unchallenged.

xkaydet65 on July 31, 2012 at 10:54 AM

A further point. As others have pointed out, same-sex marriage is not legal in Illinois. Only a civic union is accepted, and that took quite a few years to get through their legislature.

So, what is Rahm Emanual talking about, with his assertion of ‘Chicago values’?

Again, I add, are Chicago values such that only one view of life is allowed, and if you hold a different view, then, you are not allowed to live and work in Chicago? And do Chicago values reject the Constitution, freedom and democracy and instead side with fascism and intolerance of other’s beliefs?

ETAB on July 31, 2012 at 10:55 AM

Sharia Law will never happen here either…right, right?

HoosierStateofMind on July 31, 2012 at 11:00 AM

People with Chicago values;

Al Capone
Rahm Emanuel
Dan Rostenkoski
Rod Blogojevich
Jesse Jackson Junior

banzaibob on July 31, 2012 at 10:43 AM

+ Tony Rezko
+ Barack Hussein Obama

HoosierStateofMind on July 31, 2012 at 11:02 AM

workingclass artist on July 31, 2012 at 10:37 AM

Thank You Very Much

xrayiiis on July 31, 2012 at 11:03 AM

Yeah, we just got another shot of “Chicago Values”: a mob of (what else?) black punks invaded a store and stole more than $3,000 worth of jeans…roughed up several of the store’s employees in the process. The cops showed up in a leisurely 30 minutes; hey, they had to finish their doughnuts (burp). By that time, all that was left was…let’s see, now, what do they call them? Oh yeah, teenagers. There weren’t any teenagers left in the store, except the injured employees. And, oh yeah, thousands of dollars worth of merchandise was gone. Hey Rahm, is that what you mean by the term Chicago Values?

But, yes, let’s keep a good, moral, stand-up business out of Chicago. That’s actually pretty good: now Chick-A-Fila can set up shop somewhere safer, and I can go buy a nice chicken sandwich, without having to worry about getting mugged, or killed, or having to deal with any of the other Chicago Values.

Hey Rahm, before you start worrying about people holding opinions that they’re absolutely entitled to hold–this IS still America; Obozo isn’t emperor, yet–why don’t you do something about these flash mobs, and the skyrocketing murder rate? You’ve got your shoes on the wrong feet.

uncle_fweddy on July 31, 2012 at 11:04 AM

The only institutional group to stand up to Hitler and the German National Socialists was a group of Protestant (Evangelical) religious leaders…
Happy Nomad on July 31, 2012 at 9:33 AM

From another source:

Italy declared war on France on June 10, 1940. The Pope was determined to keep the Vatican neutral, and to make it a refuge. He brought the diplomats of nations at war with the Axis into the Papal Hospice of Santa Marta, close to the Holy Office and the German College. He assigned the Holy Office to develop its contacts throughout Europe into a chain of agents who would deal with intelligence, prisoners of war and refugees. One of the most fascinating rescuers of the war, Msgr. Hugh O’Flaherty, Primo Notario of the Holy Office, thus became involved early on in the Vatican’s information-gathering and humanitarian activities—informally, also, as he lived in the German College, next door to the diplomats’ new quarters.

Also during June, some 500 Jews left Bratislava on a small boat bound for Palestine. Four months later the boat tried to enter the harbor at Istanbul and was denied permission. An Italian patrol boat picked up the passengers and took them to a prison camp on Rhodes. Warned that they were to be handed over to the Germans, these Jews sent one of their number to Rome, where he obtained an audience with the Pope. Pius intervened with the Italian government and all 500 were interned in southern Calabria, where they survived the war.

Pinchas Lapide reports arriving at Ferramonti-Tarsia to find 3,200 Jews, mostly refugees from Austria, Czechoslovakia and Hungary. “They had been not only saved by papal intervention but also fed, clad and looked after at Vatican expense by two papal emissaries who set up a kosher kitchen, organized a school for the children….”4

But do the Pope’s efforts qualify him as a rescuer, as someone who risked his life to save Jews? In 1940 Martin Bormann prepared “Operation Pontiff” on Hitler’s instructions. Pius was to be imprisoned in a monastery on the Wartburg. Lapide thinks it probable that Pius knew of the plan. If so, it did not deter him. As the Nazi persecution of the Jews intensified, and as it spread to the countries occupied by German forces, so did Vatican efforts at rescue and shelter. And Pius instructed the European hierarchy to follow his lead. “There is no doubt,” says Leon Poliakov, a Jewish historian of the Holocaust, “that secret instructions went out from the Vatican urging the national churches to intervene in favor of the Jews by every possible means.”

“According to Msgr. O’Flaherty’s biographer, J.P. Gallagher, Vatican officials who had inclined to prudence and ordinary Italians who had been indifferent to the plight of the Jews were radicalized by the Gestapo. “Even the most conservative men in the Vatican were prepared now to give the trouble-shooting Monsignor quite a bit more rope.”44

Monsignor O’Flaherty hid Jews in monasteries and convents, at Castel Gandolfo, in his old college of the Propaganda Fide, in the German College and in his network of apartments. Every evening, he stood in the porch of St. Peter’s, in plain view both of the German soldiers across the piazza and of the windows of the Pope’s apartments. Escaped POWs and Jews would come to him there. He would smuggle them across the piazza and through the German Cemetary to the college. Sometimes he would disguise them in the robes of a monsignor or the uniform of a Swiss Guard.

“One Jew,” Gallagher reports, “made his way to St. Peter’s and, coming up to O’Flaherty at his usual post on the steps and drawing him deeper into the shadows, proceeded to unwind a solid gold chain that went twice around his waist. ‘My wife and I expect to be arrested at any moment,’ said the Jew. ‘We have no way of escaping. When we are taken to Germany we shall die. But we have a small son; he is only seven and is too young to die in a Nazi gas chamber. Please take this chain and take the boy for us too. Each link of the chain will keep him alive for a month. Will you save him?’”45

Monsignor O’Flaherty improved upon this plan: he accepted the chain, hid the boy and procured false papers for the parents. At the end of the war, he returned the boy and the chain.

Colonel Herbert Kappler, Rome’s Gestapo chief, set several traps for Msgr. O’Flaherty. Once he escaped by a rolling-block charge through Gestapo men and in at the doors of St. Mary Major—extraterritorial property of the Church. Another time, he was at the palace of Prince Filippo Doria Pamphili, who provided funds for his operations. The SS surrounded the palace; Msgr. O’Flaherty escaped to the basement, then up a coal chute and away in the coal truck that had been making a delivery.

Finally Colonel Kappler complained to Berlin. Monsignor O’Flaherty received an invitation to a reception at the Hungarian Embassy, with an implicit safe-conduct. There Baron von Weiszacker, the German Ambassador, told him: “Nobody in Rome honors you more than I do for what you are doing. But it has gone too far for us all. Kappler is waiting in the hall, feeling rather frustrated…. I have told him that you will of course have safe-conduct back to the Vatican tonight. But…if you ever step outside Vatican territory again, on whatever pretext, you will be arrested at once…. Now will you please think about what I have said?”

O’Flaherty smiled down at von Weiszacker and replied: “Your Excellency is too considerate. I will certainly think about what you have said— sometimes!”

Of 9,700 Roman Jews, 1,007 were shipped to Auschwitz. The rest were hidden, 5,000 of them by the official Church—3,000 in Castel Gandolfo, 200 or 400 (estimates vary) as “members” of the Palatine Guard and some 1,500 in monasteries, convents and colleges. The remaining 3,700 were hidden in private homes, including Msgr. O’Flaherty’s network of apartments.

After the war, Colonel Kappler was sentenced to life in the Gaeta prison, between Rome and Naples. His only visitor was an Irish monsignor who came once a month. In 1959 Msgr. O’Flaherty baptized Herbert Kappler into the Catholic Church.

“Elsewhere in Italy,” Pinchas Lapide says, “thanks in part to the lifting of the enclosure…at least 40,000 Italian Jews and others who had managed to flee to Italy were hidden and saved by humble priests, monks, farmers and laborers, dozens of whom lost their lives for sheltering them.

Certainly many Catholics turned their backs on the Jews; but 860,000 Jews survived because many others did not. And those who did help were following the teaching and the example of their Pope. There is an established consensus to this effect among Jewish scholars. Speaking to 2006 U.S. Jewish leaders in Miami in 1987, Pope John Paul II said, “I am convinced that history will reveal ever more clearly and convincingly how deeply Pius XII felt the tragedy of the Jewish people, and how hard and effectively he worked to assist them during the Second World War.”

Lapide does blame the Church for not eradicating anti-Semitism before the Holocaust. But he concludes that the precipitating element was not Christianity, but rather the weakening of Christian belief and practice. Hitler, he says, knew that the Church was his enemy. He used the epithet, “Christ killers,” to arouse hatred against the Jews, “but he ultimately killed them to rid the world of Christ and the ‘Christ- givers.’”50

Israel has enacted strict legislation as to the qualifications of “Righteous Gentiles,” those who voluntarily underwent personal risk to save Jews. For each person who meets these standards, a tree is planted along the Avenue of the Righteous which leads to Heroes and Martyrs’ Memorial. More than 10,000 such trees had been planted, each bearing the name of a rescuer and a quotation from the Talmud: “Whoever saves a single soul, it is as if he had saved the whole world.”

When Pius XII died, open letters appeared in the Israeli press, suggesting that 860,000 trees be planted in a Pope Pius XII Forest in the hills of Judaea…”

http://www.columbia.edu/cu/augustine/arch/heroes.htm

workingclass artist on July 31, 2012 at 11:07 AM

To those who say “the Church made its bed, to hell with them”, know this. The Church is not the injured party here, Chick Fil A and the Cathy family are and the family is Baptist. This is about the entirety of the First Amendment. Conservatives for too long have harped on the 2nd and more recently the 10th, but have often stood by as the 1st was undermined (Patriot Act). Now it’s clear that the Left wants to strip the 1st of meaning. Does anyone think Rahm Emanuel’s course is not directed from the WH. He worked there as CoS for 2+ years. What you see in Chicago now is what America will see if Obama wins.The LGBT community would have launched a boycott and probably made business in Chi or Boston unprofitable for CFA. That’s a traditional path free people take to express their disapproval, but in both Boston and Chicago the govt stepped in and said “NO! We don’t approve of your opinions!” They didn’t just say “Stay Out”, they said the govt will not let you in.I don’t care if that message had been directed at Scientologists, Wiccans, even the American Nazi Party, that message cannot be allowed to go unchallenged.

xkaydet65 on July 31, 2012 at 10:54 AM

This is it exactly. Very well said.

PatriotGal2257 on July 31, 2012 at 11:08 AM

Curious. If memory serves me, 1930 Germany didn’t tolerate gays either. As a matter of fact, didn’t they tend to shoot them?

Yeah, it’s kinda weird, because during WWII there was a lot of info that Hitler was homosexual. Now that’s dismissed by our scholars as propaganda. Of course, we can all trust the revisionists completely, can’t we?

avgjo on July 31, 2012 at 11:09 AM

study history folks……1930 Germany is upon us…..

Oh fer crying out loud gang, Godwin’s Law anyone?

1920′s Italy, well that’s another story…

Bruno Strozek on July 31, 2012 at 11:11 AM

This is the last public position he should occupy. America rejects facism from anyone in the government.

jake49 on July 31, 2012 at 11:15 AM

Dead Fish is not amused.

Tim_CA on July 31, 2012 at 11:20 AM

Those who scoff at the comparisons to the development of Nazism would be best to realize this is not a comment made just to shock, or a throw away like the left calling every conservative of any standing a Nazi.

This is how state fascism has always started – politicians playing groups against one another in a morality play as opposed to the playing out of conflicting goals of two political actors.

This is dangerous. Now we can fight back with little concern for being put to death or being imprisoned. But you are looking at economic penalties and mainstream media lies for holding to your convictions.

The Catholic Church fighting the “reproductive rights” edicts of the HHS, Chick Fila fighting democrat governors essentially creating religious tests to do business. Are you prepared to help them, while the costs are still not completely terrible.

You realize if we don’t turn this back now, bloodshed is coming, a second civil war. Or will we fade into the night when they start sending people to prison because of their religious beliefs? The democrats have already started the practice of widespread IRS harassment of political opponents. When CHick Colsen looked at one tax file he wnet to prison – has any democrat who has done the same gone to prison yet?

Fight now.

Stand now – or your gun may become more than a self defense weapon. Do we want that?

Zomcon JEM on July 31, 2012 at 11:20 AM

“In one tragic instance, the Archbishop of Utrecht was warned by the Nazis not to protest the deportation of Dutch Jews. He spoke out anyway and in retaliation the Catholic Jews of Holland were sent to their death. One of them was the Carmelite philosopher, Edith Stein.”

workingclass artist on July 31, 2012 at 10:37 AM

Huh..?

affenhauer on July 31, 2012 at 11:22 AM

Obama and his thugs are using anything they can to steer this election away from Obama’s failure as a president. The economy is getting worse, and American’s can’t find jobs.

Obama’s policies are a complete and total failure – That is what Americans are concerned about, not all these side issues Obama keeps trying to bring up.

jqc1970 on July 31, 2012 at 11:30 AM

Zomcon JEM

Exactly. That’s why I’ve always dismissed ‘Godwin’s Law’ as a joke. It seems to exclude the possibility that a comparison to Nazism is legitimate. It seems more sanctimonious than useful.

avgjo on July 31, 2012 at 11:31 AM

I’m having trouble getting passed the “hater” tag. Since when is differences of opinions hate? Suppose you are pro-life and donate to adoption organizations and programs to help uninsured unwed mothers get good medical care, does that make you a hater? I think the word hate has been co-opted and redefined.

Cindy Munford on July 31, 2012 at 11:31 AM

Since when is differences of opinions hate?

Cindy Munford on July 31, 2012 at 11:31 AM

It’s “Chicago Values”.

Tim_CA on July 31, 2012 at 11:36 AM

workingclass artist on July 31, 2012 at 10:37 AM

workingclass artist on July 31, 2012 at 11:07 AM

Thank you for the great links and elaborations.

PatriotGal2257 on July 31, 2012 at 11:40 AM

it’s fascism, plain and simple, as well as extortion, which always goes hand in hand with fascism.

Now, there is a “Chicago value” that Rahm can agree with.

tims472 on July 31, 2012 at 11:50 AM

Rahm is a ballet dancer……….I think that says all that needs to be said on this subject!

Tater Salad on July 31, 2012 at 11:51 AM

John XXIII was one of the most liberal popes in history. Most of the bishops he appointed are now on the other side of the grass. Cardinal George’s predecessor, Cardinal Bernardin, probably would have gone along with Rahm.

bw222 on July 31, 2012 at 11:54 AM

So where is the ACLU in all of this controversy?

txmomof6 on July 31, 2012 at 11:54 AM

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