Democrats set to add gay marriage to official party platform

posted at 6:01 pm on July 30, 2012 by Allahpundit

Might as well, no? Most voters doubtless believe it’s already in the platform, especially after The One’s carefully timed, hypercynical “evolution” this spring. Keeping it out wouldn’t win them any votes at this point but might irritate gay rights supporters, especially the young adults whom they need to turn out in November. Besides, anything O can do to change the subject from his economic record is probably a net positive for him this fall. That’s why he invited Bill Clinton to give the pep talk at the convention instead of Biden. The One can run on Bill’s record instead: Centrism, strong growth, higher taxes on the rich, DOMA, “don’t ask, don’t tell” — no, wait, scratch those last two.

It’s a comfort to know that, after centuries of noncompliance, the Democratic platform now officially comports with “Chicago values”:

Party officials met over the weekend in Minneapolis and approved the first step in the platform-amending process. In two weeks, the entire platform committee will vote on the matter at a meeting scheduled in Detroit. Then, if approved as expected, it would move on to convention delegates in Charlotte, N.C., for final approval in September.

According to Democrats who were briefed on the vote in Minneapolis, there was no objection when the issue came up. Though the language that was voted on still could be revised, party officials do not anticipate any major obstacles going forward.

The platform language approved over the weekend also included a condemnation of the Defense of Marriage Act, which prohibits the federal government from recognizing legal same-sex marriages.

The current draft platform, authored a few months ago, mentions the “freedom to marry” for gay couples. Wonder how this language would have ended up if The One had kept up his charade on SSM:

A draft plank circulated in February — before the president’s endorsement — read: “We support the full inclusion of all families in the life of our nation, with equal respect, responsibilities, and protections under the law, including the freedom to marry. Government has no business putting barriers in the path of people seeking to care for their family members, particularly in challenging economic times. We support the Respect for Marriage Act and the overturning of the federal so-called Defense of Marriage Act, and oppose discriminatory constitutional amendments and other attempts to deny the freedom to marry to loving and committed same-sex couples.”

Exit question: Does the platform really matter? It’s a meaningful symbolic victory for gay rights supporters, but a much more meaningful one would be if Democratic pols tout the issue in their speeches at the convention. And I don’t mean just any Democratic pols; I’m sure there’ll be some gay congressman who gets three minutes to speak on C-SPAN at 3:30 in the afternoon to make the case for SSM. I’m talking about Clinton, Biden, the keynoter, and of course the Lightbringer himself, who I suppose is now obliged to include a sentence or two about this in his acceptance speech. Will he do more, though, by spending some time on it, or are the electoral effects still too unpredictable to justify more than a check-the-box approach? Makes me wonder if including it in the platform isn’t a way for them to appease gay rights supporters so that they don’t have to include it most of the big speeches.


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Again. Only conservatives can feel like extending a state benefit to more people is them becoming inferior to someone else. Amazing.

libfreeordie on July 30, 2012 at 8:25 PM

Typical socialist misconception. “Benefits” are not free, and each one that is handed out places an additional burden on everyone. For traditional, child rearing couples, there is a social benefit. For semi-exclusive masturbation partners? Not so much.

Count to 10 on July 30, 2012 at 8:51 PM

Rusty Allen on July 30, 2012 at 8:49 PM

Whatever. It’s inevitable.

studentofhistory on July 30, 2012 at 8:51 PM

They conduct perverse acts in front of children.

You shouldn’t bring children to Mardi Gras and you shouldn’t bring children to Pride, which is essentially gay Mardi Gras. Why do heterosexuals get to flash their butts in drunken foolishness once a year, but we don’t? Hypocrisy.

libfreeordie on July 30, 2012 at 8:51 PM

…imbeciles
…weirdos
…freak shows
THERE IS NO GOD YOU MORONS
…inbred hillbilly snake handling dumbness
…fat, cheap, Wal Mart shopping, rotted teeth losers
…bigots
…dopes
 
Your Mamma loves me on July 30, 2012 at 7:35 PM

 

Its pretty obvious Your Momma Loves Me is a parody of a liberal…
 
libfreeordie
on July 30, 2012 at 7:55 PM

 
Possibly.
 

You’re a fool.
 
libfreeordie on March 22, 2012 at 7:41 PM

 

You’re ignorant.
 
libfreeordie on April 13, 2012 at 7:55 AM

 

No nimrod…
 
libfreeordie on March 28, 2012 at 10:14 PM
 

Because you’re a bold faced liar. And also just generally a weirdo.
 
libfreeordie on March 15, 2012 at 10:35 AM
 

Are you illiterate
 
libfreeordie on March 15, 2012 at 11:18 AM
 

tom…even the conservatives around here think you’re a joke.
 
libfreeordie on March 22, 2012 at 7:48 PM
 

But, go head Delores Van Cartier…
 
libfreeordie on April 28, 2012 at 5:13 PM
 

There’s no point in even trying to learn the facts for yourself. That would involve thinking.
 
libfreeordie on March 22, 2012 at 8:24 PM
 

Ah there’s the ignorant voices I’m used to seeing around here.
 
libfreeordie on March 8, 2012 at 4:42 PM
 

speaks to shallowness of your intellect. For someone who goes around giving grades you aren’t that critical a thinker.
 
libfreeordie on March 28, 2012 at 5:09 PM
 

I fear as a glenn beck listener it may have been *ages* since you’ve engaged in any of these activities). But yes, they all count as sex.
 
Or are you one of those people who had anal sex as a teenager and claimed to be a “virgin” as some evangelical kids have done to skirt the “saving it for marriage” rules.
 
libfreeordie on April 28, 2012 at 4:45 PM
 

the conservative “well it sucks now but it will be better in heaven” brand of Christianity does so little for personal empowerment.
 
libfreeordie on April 7, 2012 at 10:05 AM
 
Will conservatives eat themselves into heart problems in support of Chick-fil-A?
 
libfreeordie on July 28, 2012 at 1:29 PM

 
Did you have anyone in particular in mind?

rogerb on July 30, 2012 at 8:52 PM

No, I’m talking about after they decided to go gay, and all of their friends and family accepted it. Not only did it not solve any of the problems they thought it would, it heap on even more — particularly in terms of families split up or never started.

Count to 10 on July 30, 2012 at 8:48 PM

So you think it’s a choice, I think it’s genetic.

Two things:

1. Do you not agree that there are many gay people who have taken alot of abuse for being gay? They’ve been discriminated against, disowned by friends/family, etc. So if it’s a choice why would they choose to go through all that? Wouldn’t it make more sense that they were simply born that way?

2. I’m sure you seen obviously gay people, such as feminine males or manly females right? Does that all seem like an act to you or does it make sense that that person was also born that way?

LevinFan on July 30, 2012 at 8:53 PM

who gives a shit.

people want jobs…

theblacksheepwasright on July 30, 2012 at 8:54 PM

rogerb – touche!

studentofhistory on July 30, 2012 at 8:54 PM

Not only did it not solve any of the problems they thought it would, it heap on even more — particularly in terms of families split up or never started.

Count to 10 on July 30, 2012 at 8:48 PM

You’re being vague about the specific here (and I’m sure there’s a reason behind that) and I’m not sure what the point is. You know some people who “chose to go gay” and they didn’t end up happy. I’m confused, is your argument that unless every single person in a group is happy they shouldn’t have the right to marriage? Does every heterosexual in this life end up happy? Does marriage ensure happiness? I’m sorry someone you know had an unhappy life. I’m unsure what it has to do with the legal question of whether gay marriage should be legal.

libfreeordie on July 30, 2012 at 8:54 PM

Did you have anyone in particular in mind?

rogerb on July 30, 2012 at 8:52 PM

Is your point that only liberals make snarky comments on political forums? Or do you not understand what the word “parody” means?

libfreeordie on July 30, 2012 at 8:56 PM

libfreeordie on July 30, 2012

…oh gee!…what a surprise!

KOOLAID2 on July 30, 2012 at 8:58 PM

Way to fire up the evangelical base, Dems! Why don’t you toss in some gun legislation, too?

John the Libertarian on July 30, 2012 at 8:59 PM

Is your point that only liberals make snarky comments on political forums? Or do you not understand what the word “parody” means?

libfreeordie on July 30, 2012 at 8:56 PM

Do you not understand what the word “irony” means?

tom daschle concerned on July 30, 2012 at 9:01 PM

1. Do you not agree that there are many gay people who have taken alot of abuse for being gay? They’ve been discriminated against, disowned by friends/family, etc. So if it’s a choice why would they choose to go through all that? Wouldn’t it make more sense that they were simply born that way?

2. I’m sure you seen obviously gay people, such as feminine males or manly females right? Does that all seem like an act to you or does it make sense that that person was also born that way?

LevinFan on July 30, 2012 at 8:53 PM

People take even more abuse for being goths or punks or rockers or whatever. They join up for the same reasons. When we are born, we can’t even tell the difference between male and female, and styles of dress are completely cultural. These are not things that you can be born with.
Further, there are plenty of “manly” females who are perfectly straight (though “feminine” males are more strongly pushed into homosexuality).

Count to 10 on July 30, 2012 at 9:02 PM

Is the MSM touting this additional plank to the Dem platform as an important ‘gain’, or are they playing it down if not outright ignoring it? The MSM’s reaction to the story will be telling.

Liam on July 30, 2012 at 9:02 PM

I think Leyva may be straight, he keeps sending pictures of himself nude to girls. Orozco though, is totally family and I claim him thank you very much.

libfreeordie on July 30, 2012 at 8:50 PM

I have seen the pics, but didn’t realize who he was sending them to.

Yes, Orozco is def one of us, but you will have to fight me for him. One vault. Winner take all. )

McDuck on July 30, 2012 at 9:05 PM

These are not things that you can be born with.
Further, there are plenty of “manly” females who are perfectly straight (though “feminine” males are more strongly pushed into homosexuality).

Count to 10 on July 30, 2012 at 9:02 PM

Please, please, please think before you allow your homophobia to put really creepy words into your mouth. Answer the question yes or no: Do you think all kids know what they sexually desire before they reach puberty?

libfreeordie on July 30, 2012 at 9:05 PM

Or do you not understand what the word “parody” means?
 
libfreeordie on July 30, 2012 at 8:56 PM

 
A thread on understanding what words mean would be less funny without:
 

With my last post I ask that the moderators eliminate the link to my personal information. Congrats, I’m gone.
 
libfreeordie on July 10, 2012

rogerb on July 30, 2012 at 9:05 PM

Depravity Poker

“I’ll see your homosexual marriage and raise you plural marriage.”
“I’m in with polygamy. Check.”
“Yeah, well, I’ll see your polygamy, and let’s go up for a little incest as well.”
“Interesting. I’m in for the incest. And in the name of the Prophet, blessings and peace be upon him, I would like to raise you by lowering the age of consent. Get it? Raise by lowering!”
No one laughed.
“All right gentlemen. We’ve got pedophilia, incest, polygamy, and homosexuality. Over to you, Mr. Bond.”
I stared into the blank expressions of my opponents.
“I’m all in.”

spiritof61 on July 30, 2012 at 9:06 PM

When will the Obama Administration & other militant groups start suing the Catholic Church and other religious institutions for refusing to perform same sex marriages?
This is what 4 more years will look like.

redridinghood on July 30, 2012 at 9:07 PM

rogerb on July 30, 2012 at 9:05 PM

Changing your mind doesn’t mean you misunderstand the meaning of your original words. This is poor work for you.

libfreeordie on July 30, 2012 at 9:08 PM

Please, please, please think before you allow your homophobia to put really creepy words into your mouth. Answer the question yes or no: Do you think all kids know what they sexually desire before they reach puberty?

libfreeordie on July 30, 2012 at 9:05 PM

How to identify an “intellectual”

They are worried about children’s sexuality.

Thank you for the demonstration.

tom daschle concerned on July 30, 2012 at 9:08 PM

Or do you not understand what the word… means
 
libfreeordie on July 30, 2012 at 8:56 PM

 

before you allow your homophobia
 
libfreeordie on July 30, 2012 at 9:05 PM

 
Hilarious.

rogerb on July 30, 2012 at 9:08 PM

You’re being vague about the specific here (and I’m sure there’s a reason behind that) and I’m not sure what the point is. You know some people who “chose to go gay” and they didn’t end up happy. I’m confused, is your argument that unless every single person in a group is happy they shouldn’t have the right to marriage? Does every heterosexual in this life end up happy? Does marriage ensure happiness? I’m sorry someone you know had an unhappy life. I’m unsure what it has to do with the legal question of whether gay marriage should be legal.

libfreeordie on July 30, 2012 at 8:54 PM

The “gay” lifestyle has always been a bad idea, and we shouldn’t be encouraging people to tread down that path. We especially shouldn’t be making laws with the express purpose of undercutting the social structure which helps people keep out of it. The only point to legal recognition of marriages is to organize the responsibility for the children that sex normally produces — which is still important even with birth control. There is no reason to lock homosexual pairs into a legal contract, as they aren’t going to produce children by accident (and the arrangements for adopted children, if the couple is trusted with them, can be worked out separately).

Count to 10 on July 30, 2012 at 9:09 PM

There is no reason to lock homosexual pairs into a legal contract, as they aren’t going to produce children by accident (and the arrangements for adopted children, if the couple is trusted with them, can be worked out separately).

Count to 10 on July 30, 2012 at 9:09 PM

Again, you seem to think marriage is a form of imprisonment, this explains much.

libfreeordie on July 30, 2012 at 9:10 PM

Dang, I guess this artificial “marriage construct” between a man and a woman, which predates all of us by thousands of years, and which has been a foundational principle of civilization through all cultures and religions since the beginning of written human history – it’s been wrong all this time?

What a fabulous enlightenment we are all being treated to by the fascist left in the past few years. There’s some chikins coming home to roost, ya’ll.

Harbingeing on July 30, 2012 at 9:11 PM

We especially shouldn’t be making laws with the express purpose of undercutting the social structure which helps people keep out of it.

Being gay isn’t the sand trap of life…

libfreeordie on July 30, 2012 at 9:12 PM

Please, please, please think before you allow your homophobia to put really creepy words into your mouth. Answer the question yes or no: Do you think all kids know what they sexually desire before they reach puberty?

libfreeordie on July 30, 2012 at 9:05 PM

Humans “desire” sexual gratification. What we term “sexuality” is really just the habits we learn to achieve that gratification, and what habits we learn depends heavily on what we are exposed to. At this point, there are plenty of people that have never learned to associate their sexual habits with actual people (of either sex), and are instead aroused by images and animations of physically impossible creatures or event.
Yes, I’m looking at you, Japan.

Count to 10 on July 30, 2012 at 9:15 PM

Again no one has explained why we should change the institution of marriage instead of changing homosexuals through research for a cure. Homosexuals, most of them, would jump at the chance at an effective treatment.

Ted Torgerson on July 30, 2012 at 9:16 PM

Again, you seem to think marriage is a form of imprisonment, this explains much.

libfreeordie on July 30, 2012 at 9:10 PM

That you immediately jump from “contract” to “imprisonment” says a lot.

Count to 10 on July 30, 2012 at 9:16 PM

Being gay isn’t the sand trap of life…

libfreeordie on July 30, 2012 at 9:12 PM

We can take the asinine comments. Please spare us the bad poetry.

spiritof61 on July 30, 2012 at 9:17 PM

Being gay isn’t the sand trap of life…

libfreeordie on July 30, 2012 at 9:12 PM

History says otherwise, though homosexual behavior is hardly alone in that.

Count to 10 on July 30, 2012 at 9:17 PM

It’s a shame that the African American community feels obligated to stand behind someone who’s pushing something that they are SO not in favor of.

BettyRuth on July 30, 2012 at 6:27 PM

I’m reading some coded words here:)

faraway on July 30, 2012 at 9:20 PM

Please, please, please think before you allow your homophobia to put really creepy words into your mouth. Answer the question yes or no: Do you think all kids know what they sexually desire before they reach puberty?

libfreeordie on July 30, 2012 at 9:05 PM

I hope your future kids experiment with all different forms of sexual identification. Karma.

redridinghood on July 30, 2012 at 9:20 PM

Being gay isn’t the sand trap of life…

libfreeordie on July 30, 2012 at 9:12 PM

We can take the asinine comments. Please spare us the bad poetry.

spiritof61 on July 30, 2012 at 9:17 PM

Oh, I don’t know. Maybe if we chip away at the delusions he has wrapped himself in, he’ll figure out why he wants to spread his misery around.

Count to 10 on July 30, 2012 at 9:20 PM

Homos. Eat mor chikin.

Rusty Allen on July 30, 2012 at 9:22 PM

Being gay isn’t the sand trap of life…

libfreeordie on July 30, 2012 at 9:12 PM

Penalty strokes for the back nine

faraway on July 30, 2012 at 9:22 PM

Is nobody at the Obutthead campaign paying attention and do they ever check a calendar? In case you’ve forgotten, Wed Sep 5 is now the NFL’s opening night so I’d guess a majority of people will be watching the Dallas Cowboys battling the defending Super Bowl Champ NY Giants. Goodell pushed the opener back a night to accommodate Obama’s acceptance speech. Odumbo screwed it up again–he couldda buried Biden on Wednesday night when nobody will be watching. Dumb. Dumb. Dumbo.

stukinIL4now on July 30, 2012 at 9:22 PM

Again no one has explained why we should change the institution of marriage instead of changing homosexuals through research for a cure. Homosexuals, most of them, would jump at the chance at an effective treatment.

Ted Torgerson on July 30, 2012 at 9:16 PM

There is nothing wrong with me, so what is there to cure?

McDuck on July 30, 2012 at 9:23 PM

There is nothing wrong with me, so what is there to cure?

McDuck on July 30, 2012 at 9:23 PM

Pride.

tom daschle concerned on July 30, 2012 at 9:25 PM

Why do heterosexuals get to flash their butts in drunken foolishness once a year, but we don’t? Hypocrisy.

libfreeordie on July 30, 2012 at 8:51 PM

Social conservatives and Christians do not condone heterosexuals appearing nude or acting in a vulgar fashion in public.

TigerPaw on July 30, 2012 at 9:26 PM

libfreeordie

Still waiting for your insight as to why black people (along with asians and latinos) tend to be far more anti gay marriage than other types.

As a gay black male you could provide everyone here with some insight.

CorporatePiggy on July 30, 2012 at 9:27 PM

libfreeordie, why do you hate Muslims? They oppose gay marriage.

faraway on July 30, 2012 at 9:28 PM

I’m confused, is your argument that unless every single person in a group is happy they shouldn’t have the right to marriage? Does every heterosexual in this life end up happy? Does marriage ensure happiness?

libfreeordie on July 30, 2012 at 8:54 PM

Funny, liar, you and your fellow screaming bigots claim that it does.

Perhaps the fact that you won’t take responsibility for your behavior instead of screaming and crying is why people don’t think you should have marriage.

Furthermore, marriage is to provide a stable home for children that are produced, because they aren’t able to provide for their own welfare.

In theory you could, but as you keep demonstrating, your sexual orientation makes you incapable of holding a job, getting an education, and in general doing anything but getting a welfare check.

northdallasthirty on July 30, 2012 at 9:28 PM

1. Do you not agree that there are many gay people who have taken alot of abuse for being gay? They’ve been discriminated against, disowned by friends/family, etc. So if it’s a choice why would they choose to go through all that? Wouldn’t it make more sense that they were simply born that way?

LevinFan on July 30, 2012 at 8:53 PM

Maybe because their desire for their particular type of favorite sexual acts with certain sexual partners is very strong.

Maybe in much the same way some people have a difficult time giving up alcohol, cigarettes, or overweight people who struggle with trying to cut down on potato chips and pie. Even though they really know it would be better for their health to cut back or abstain, they still have a hard time giving up beer / cigarettes/ pie.

TigerPaw on July 30, 2012 at 9:30 PM

Why do heterosexuals get to flash their butts in drunken foolishness once a year, but we don’t? Hypocrisy.

libfreeordie on July 30, 2012 at 8:51 PM

Nope.

Heterosexuals can oppose this, and many do.

But bigots like yourself scream that people who oppose you doing it are “homophobic”, and you call GAY people who oppose your doing it “Uncle Toms” and “traitors”.

That’s all your “pride” is, libfreeordie — you get drunk and flash your flesh. You have nothing else. That’s all gay bigots like you are — drunken flashers.

northdallasthirty on July 30, 2012 at 9:31 PM

Do you not agree that there are many gay people pedophiles who have taken alot of abuse for being gay attracted to children? They’ve been discriminated against, disowned by friends/family, etc. So if it’s a choice why would they choose to go through all that? Wouldn’t it make more sense that they were simply born that way?

LevinFan on July 30, 2012 at 8:53 PM

FIFY.

And if you object to that, there’s science showing that it’s genetic.

northdallasthirty on July 30, 2012 at 9:33 PM

Still waiting for your insight as to why black people (along with asians and latinos) tend to be far more anti gay marriage than other types.

As a gay black male you could provide everyone here with some insight.

CorporatePiggy on July 30, 2012 at 9:27 PM

I addressed this on the previous page.

libfreeordie on July 30, 2012 at 9:33 PM

Maybe because their desire for their particular type of favorite sexual acts with certain sexual partners is very strong.

Maybe in much the same way some people have a difficult time giving up alcohol, cigarettes, or overweight people who struggle with trying to cut down on potato chips and pie. Even though they really know it would be better for their health to cut back or abstain, they still have a hard time giving up beer / cigarettes/ pie.

TigerPaw on July 30, 2012 at 9:30 PM

I just occurred to me that the “Gay Pride” is probably more about keeping those with homosexual habits “on the plantation” than it is about looking for acceptance from the community at large.

Count to 10 on July 30, 2012 at 9:35 PM

That’s all your “pride” is, libfreeordie — you get drunk and flash your flesh. You have nothing else. That’s all gay bigots like you are — drunken flashers.

northdallasthirty on July 30, 2012 at 9:31 PM

Oh no. People at an annual party may get drunk and take their shirts off? THE HORROR!! But, touche everyone. northdallasthirty proves that YourMamaLovesMe may not be a parody. I forget you have folks like him on your side.

libfreeordie on July 30, 2012 at 9:35 PM

Oh no. People at an annual party may get drunk and take their shirts off? THE HORROR!! But, touche everyone. northdallasthirty proves that YourMamaLovesMe may not be a parody. I forget you have folks like him on your side.

libfreeordie on July 30, 2012 at 9:35 PM

Depraved, insincere, ignoramus.

AKA the perfect democrat voter.

tom daschle concerned on July 30, 2012 at 9:37 PM

McDuck on July 30, 2012 at 9:23 PM

I’m glad you feel that way and wish you well. There are other people who feel ashamed they are attracted to people of the same gender and wish for an effective treatment. They should have that choice. If, as is most likely, such a treatment involves pre-natal or neo-natal hormonal therapy, I expect virtually all parents will choose to have their at risk child (i.e., genetic testing shows a strong predisposition toward pedophilia, homosexuality or other deviancy) receive such a treatment.

Ted Torgerson on July 30, 2012 at 9:37 PM

Oh no. People at an annual party may get drunk and take their shirts off? THE HORROR!!

libfreeordie on July 30, 2012 at 9:35 PM

My, weren’t you just screaming and crying about how awful it was that heterosexuals did such a thing?

Oh, that’s right, you were.

Why do heterosexuals get to flash their butts in drunken foolishness once a year, but we don’t? Hypocrisy.

libfreeordie on July 30, 2012 at 8:51 PM

Looks like you’re a total hypocrite, libfreeordie. But of course, we should expect that; this is about you getting freebies and more welfare, not any kind of “rights”.

northdallasthirty on July 30, 2012 at 9:38 PM

Retiring gay Rep. Barney Frank (D-Mass.), who sits on the committee

canopfor on July 30, 2012 at 6:23 PM

Among other things.

hillsoftx on July 30, 2012 at 9:39 PM

Oh no. People at an annual party may get drunk and take their shirts off? THE HORROR!! But, touche everyone. northdallasthirty proves that YourMamaLovesMe may not be a parody. I forget you have folks like him on your side.

libfreeordie on July 30, 2012 at 9:35 PM

Oh, please, that was minor. I haven’t seen any of our real fundamentalists here yet denouncing everything as an atheist conspiracy to worship the devil.

Count to 10 on July 30, 2012 at 9:39 PM

Oh look – racist Jehmu Greene is back on Hannity. Ugh. Talking about the gay marriage issue, saying CFA is on the “wrong side of history.”

Talk about haters.

Philly on July 30, 2012 at 9:40 PM

My, weren’t you just screaming and crying about how awful it was that heterosexuals did such a thing?

No, as you quoted, I pointed out that Pride is no different than Mardi Gras or Carnival. But it is telling that you think calling something drunken foolishness is whining and crying about it. You don’t have much fun do ya?

libfreeordie on July 30, 2012 at 9:40 PM

No, as you quoted, I pointed out that Pride is no different than Mardi Gras or Carnival.

libfreeordie on July 30, 2012 at 9:40 PM

Probably true. I’m sure Mardi Gras is greatly about reenforcing the same kind of behavioral norms, just without the emphasis on homosexuality.

Count to 10 on July 30, 2012 at 9:44 PM

This is poor work for you.

libfreeordie on July 30, 2012 at 9:08 PM

How so? Your sentence above is an admission that you’ve lost the debate so have to insult your opponent. Alinsky 101.

Del Dolemonte on July 30, 2012 at 9:44 PM

When we are born, we can’t even tell the difference between male and female, and styles of dress are completely cultural. These are not things that you can be born with.

Count to 10 on July 30, 2012 at 9:02 PM

Interesting. But this idea totally ignores the spiritual nature of humans, and presumes a totally biological basis for one’s sexuality. Ever hear of teh gheys who claim to be “a woman trapped in a man’s body”? (or vice versa) I’m one of those who firmly believes we are all reincarnated immortal souls, if we can get a little metaphysical here. Based on my own experience, and on many conversations I’ve had with like-minded spiritual people over the last 40 years or so (since it began to interest me) I find that people tend to reincarnate in the same gender most of the time. But there are those who have switched genders over many, many lifetimes, and it’s remarkable that we all keep it as straight as we do.

(It is even said that there were many references to reincarnation in the Bible, right up to the Conference of Constantinople (around 600 A.D.) – that were removed by the monks in that particular re-write of the Christian Bible. [sorry I don't have links for that at the moment and I have to go out in a few minutes])

As for homosexuality being “an abomination” it probably is – well, I figure if you have a man’s body this lifetime, then live it as a man and enjoy being a man, and enjoy the pleasures and balance that only a woman can bring to your life. (and vice versa, of course) It’s a wasted and devalued gift of a life to try and force yourself to be something you’re not.

Harbingeing on July 30, 2012 at 9:44 PM

Caligula’s Horse approves.

kingsjester on July 30, 2012 at 6:26 PM

I was thinking along the same lines… Sodom and Gomorrah to be more precise..

ThinkingForMyself on July 30, 2012 at 9:45 PM

No, as you quoted, I pointed out that Pride is no different than Mardi Gras or Carnival.

libfreeordie on July 30, 2012 at 9:40 PM

Nope.

Heterosexuals can oppose the behavior at both, and indeed, a majority do.

But bigot gays like yourself scream and cry and whine that if anyone criticizes your behavior at Pride, they’re a homophobe.

So you’re just making it obvious that gays are really nothing more than trashy drunk bigots who are demanding they be allowed to party at taxpayer expense.

northdallasthirty on July 30, 2012 at 9:46 PM

who gives a shit.

people want jobs

theblacksheepwasright on July 30, 2012 at 8:54 PM

and not that kind of job

Rio Linda Refugee on July 30, 2012 at 9:47 PM

You’re a fool.

libfreeordie on March 22, 2012 at 7:41 PM

You’re ignorant.

libfreeordie on April 13, 2012 at 7:55 AM

No nimrod…

libfreeordie on March 28, 2012 at 10:14 PM

Because you’re a bold faced liar. And also just generally a weirdo.

libfreeordie on March 15, 2012 at 10:35 AM

Are you illiterate

libfreeordie on March 15, 2012 at 11:18 AM

tom…even the conservatives around here think you’re a joke.

libfreeordie on March 22, 2012 at 7:48 PM

But, go head Delores Van Cartier…

libfreeordie on April 28, 2012 at 5:13 PM

There’s no point in even trying to learn the facts for yourself. That would involve thinking.

libfreeordie on March 22, 2012 at 8:24 PM

Ah there’s the ignorant voices I’m used to seeing around here.

libfreeordie on March 8, 2012 at 4:42 PM

speaks to shallowness of your intellect. For someone who goes around giving grades you aren’t that critical a thinker.

libfreeordie on March 28, 2012 at 5:09 PM

I fear as a glenn beck listener it may have been *ages* since you’ve engaged in any of these activities). But yes, they all count as sex.

Or are you one of those people who had anal sex as a teenager and claimed to be a “virgin” as some evangelical kids have done to skirt the “saving it for marriage” rules.

libfreeordie on April 28, 2012 at 4:45 PM

the conservative “well it sucks now but it will be better in heaven” brand of Christianity does so little for personal empowerment.

libfreeordie on April 7, 2012 at 10:05 AM

Will conservatives eat themselves into heart problems in support of Chick-fil-A?

libfreeordie on July 28, 2012 at 1:29 PM

Thought you had done a self banning and were down helping the good fine folks at Morehouse.

Bmore on July 30, 2012 at 9:47 PM

Why do heterosexuals get to flash their butts in drunken foolishness once a year, but we don’t? Hypocrisy.

libfreeordie on July 30, 2012 at 8:51 PM

Hey dumbass – ever hear of San Fransicko? I hope you have a strong stomach.

Harbingeing on July 30, 2012 at 9:51 PM

Hey, that’s great, and in the next cycle (after they get their collective ass whupped in 2012) they can add all sorts of other “marriage” rights. I can hardly wait.

minnesoter on July 30, 2012 at 9:52 PM

Also, we should remember how the screaming and crying bigot libfreeordie wants people who engage in behavior that raises health care costs punished and banned from doing so.

Let’s start with this.

HIV prevalence stood at 10.5% among 1889 young men who have sex with men (MSM) studied by the CDC in 21 US cities [1]–a rate twice higher than that among adults across sub-Saharan Africa.

And it looks like barebacking bigot libfreeordie has been busy.

HIV prevalence and incidence were higher in blacks (16.5% and 5.1%) than in other racial/ethnic groups. Among 198 men who tested positive during the study, 136 (69%) did not already know they had HIV infection.

Now, what’s the annual cost for each person libfreeordie and his fellow barebackers make sick each year?

The average annual per patient cost of HIV treatment and care in the US was $19,912, investigators report in the online edition of AIDS.

So why should society give welfare checks to the losers like libfreeordie who are just driving up health care costs?

northdallasthirty on July 30, 2012 at 9:52 PM

libfreeordie

You are a right piece of work…

You twist and turn in the wind like a darn limp pretzel…

Why don’t you just shut up and go away.

You truly are an annoying buzzing pesky little critter.

Just leave already, ‘k?!

Scrumpy on July 30, 2012 at 9:54 PM

Let’s apply gay logic to alcoholism:
An alcoholic lives a hellish life – lost jobs, DUI’s, divorce, spouse abuse, liver damage, etc. No one would consciously chose this life, so the alcoholic must have been “born that way.” Instead of deriding the alcoholic, we should embrace his lifestyle. To do otherwise would be alcophobic and bigoted!

PaddyORyan on July 30, 2012 at 9:58 PM

I’m perfectly fine with the Democrats putting this in their party platform.

Idiots.

tom on July 30, 2012 at 6:58 PM

Yep. They’re shooting themselves in the foot. After the intolerance that was shown by these gay militant types towards Chick-Fil-A (and by extension, to anyone opposed to gay marriage) the issue is now working against them. I must have read at least 10 comments (on one of the Chick-Fil-A threads last week), by people that were neutral on the gay marriage issue before, but have now decided that they are in opposition to it. The majority of the country still opposes gay marriage and is not appreciative of the fact that the issue is always in their face. The more they keep bringing it up…the better for us. Let them have at it.

lynncgb on July 30, 2012 at 10:00 PM

Will this plank of the Democratic Party be called the “Arrest All Committed Catholics” act? Seem far-fetched? Might have a few years ago… now this fantasy of activists seems so much closer, indeed, inevitable with an Obama re-election.

theCork on July 30, 2012 at 10:02 PM

I forget you have folks like him on your side.
 
libfreeordie on July 30, 2012 at 9:35 PM

 
Hilarious.

rogerb on July 30, 2012 at 10:03 PM

Still waiting for your insight as to why black people (along with asians and latinos) tend to be far more anti gay marriage than other types.
 
CorporatePiggy on July 30, 2012 at 9:27 PM

 
I addressed this on the previous page.
 
libfreeordie on July 30, 2012 at 9:33 PM

 
I’m not sure you understand what the phrase “I addressed this on the previous page” means.

rogerb on July 30, 2012 at 10:13 PM

People take even more abuse for being goths or punks or rockers or whatever. They join up for the same reasons. When we are born, we can’t even tell the difference between male and female, and styles of dress are completely cultural. These are not things that you can be born with.
Further, there are plenty of “manly” females who are perfectly straight (though “feminine” males are more strongly pushed into homosexuality).

Count to 10 on July 30, 2012 at 9:02 PM

I think you’re way underestimating the abuse that many gays have taken.

For all the “plenty of feminine females who are perfectly straight” I guarantee you there are plenty more of them and feminine males who try to trick themselves into being straight but it never works. Sure they may even get married to the opposite sex only to have a broken marriage b/c when it comes down to it they are gay due to genetics.

LevinFan on July 30, 2012 at 10:13 PM

 
Hilarious.

rogerb on July 30, 2012 at 10:03 PM

rogerb, thanks so much! You make this place a real pleasure. Tip of my hat to you. Lol!

Bmore on July 30, 2012 at 10:16 PM

No, as you quoted, I pointed out that Pride is no different than Mardi Gras or Carnival.

libfreeordie on July 30, 2012 at 9:40 PM

Said Sodom to Gomorrah…

dominigan on July 30, 2012 at 10:17 PM

libfreeordie, Lol! I’m sorry never mind. I can’t stop laughing at you long enough to comment. Lol!

Bmore on July 30, 2012 at 10:19 PM

Again no one has explained why we should change the institution of marriage instead of changing homosexuals through research for a cure. Homosexuals, most of them, would jump at the chance at an effective treatment.

Ted Torgerson on July 30, 2012 at 9:16 PM

This is where the religious conservatives lose me:

Find a cure??

So you don’t agree with their lifestyle so they must be cured? Sounds like something a statist, big gov’t would approve of.

Is that how it started in Hitler’s Germany? Trying to cure those that didn’t fit into the Aryan race?

LevinFan on July 30, 2012 at 10:22 PM

I think you’re way underestimating the abuse that many gays have taken.

For all the “plenty of feminine females who are perfectly straight” I guarantee you there are plenty more of them and feminine males who try to trick themselves into being straight but it never works. Sure they may even get married to the opposite sex only to have a broken marriage b/c when it comes down to it they are gay due to genetics.

LevinFan on July 30, 2012 at 10:13 PM

Way overestimating, in my opinion and direct experience. I take far more abuse for being a conservative from gays than I ever did from conservatives for being gay.

Furthermore, whenever this whole “gays are getting married to the opposite sex” thing comes up, I just point out that that only demonstrates that gays and lesbians have no problem with entering into sham marriages for social advancement, and will blame other people for “forcing” them when the marriage collapses.

And as far as straight people doing a poor job with marriage, separate issue. It behooves EVERYONE to support and push straight marriage, because those straights are going to have sex, that sex will produce kids, and those kids have no means of supporting themselves without parents. That’s why marriage exists — not to make straights have kids, but because straights have kids and society wants those kids to get the best chance possible to succeed.

Gays? Nope. Will never produce kids, all of the benefits and subsidy of marriage that are put in place to provide advantages for kids who can’t take care of themselves and have no legal standing are being wasted on adults who are perfectly capable of caring for themselves and have legal standing. No reason for it; it’s a waste of public dollars, and diverts it away from where it should be being spent on promoting and supporting straights to marry and stay married.

northdallasthirty on July 30, 2012 at 10:23 PM

This is where the religious conservatives lose me:

Find a cure??

So you don’t agree with their lifestyle so they must be cured? Sounds like something a statist, big gov’t would approve of.

Is that how it started in Hitler’s Germany? Trying to cure those that didn’t fit into the Aryan race?

LevinFan on July 30, 2012 at 10:22 PM

That’s because you’re not listening or reading what they are saying.

Let me re-quote:

Again no one has explained why we should change the institution of marriage instead of changing homosexuals through research for a cure. Homosexuals, most of them, would jump at the chance at an effective treatment.

Ted Torgerson on July 30, 2012 at 9:16 PM

Nowhere in there does it say you’re going to be compelled to take said cure. Even in society today, there are very few medicines that you can be legally compelled to take.

Why not research it? Why not investigate? If nothing else, if you find it’s wholly genetic and not curable, what have you lost? And if there is a cure, and people genuinely want to change, why are you depriving them of that?

This is what I really don’t get. It’s almost as if liberals are terrified of the possibility that they might have to actually defend the behavior, so they hide behind the “it’s genetic” and try to shift responsibility.

northdallasthirty on July 30, 2012 at 10:27 PM

I addressed this on the previous page.

libfreeordie on July 30, 2012 at 9:33 PM

Perhaps I missed it but I don’t think I did.

Quote yourself if you did – it adds spice to your conversation.

CorporatePiggy on July 30, 2012 at 10:30 PM

You shouldn’t bring children to Mardi Gras and you shouldn’t bring children to Pride, which is essentially gay Mardi Gras. Why do heterosexuals get to flash their butts in drunken foolishness once a year, but we don’t? Hypocrisy.

libfreeordie on July 30, 2012 at 8:51 PM

Its bad enough your ilke gets on prime time TV (America’s got talent etc) and swish around like its entertainment, now you want to run naked in the streets. Is there any shame left in your being?

44Magnum on July 30, 2012 at 10:31 PM

When will the Obama Administration & other militant groups start suing the Catholic Church and other religious institutions for refusing to perform same sex marriages?
This is what 4 more years will look like.

redridinghood on July 30, 2012 at 9:07 PM

That is already happening at least in other countries.

The Catholic Church has seen many Neros.

The Catholic Church will not compromise on Natural Law as it applies to Christianity or the Doctrine of the Church.

“For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another.” (Romans 2:14-15)

“The intellectual historian A.J. Carlyle has commented on this passage, “There can be little doubt that St Paul’s words imply some conception analogous to the ‘natural law’ in Cicero, a law written in men’s hearts, recognized by man’s reason, a law distinct from the positive law of any State, or from what St Paul recognized as the revealed law of God. It is in this sense that St Paul’s words are taken by the Fathers of the fourth and fifth centuries like St Hilary of Poitiers, St Ambrose, and St Augustine, and there seems no reason to doubt the correctness of their interpretation.”

http://archive.org/details/ahistorymedival00carlgoog

workingclass artist on July 30, 2012 at 10:41 PM

You are going to have a hard life, babe, because our culture is on the cusp of a big (and deserved) victory for letting gay people be gay.
thuja on July 30, 2012 at 8:00 PM

And then, in a generation or two, the “problem” will go away altogether.

cavalier973 on July 30, 2012 at 10:42 PM

There are like 10 gay people in the world, but you would think that there are 300,000,000.

Rusty Allen on July 30, 2012 at 10:45 PM

I hear Iran has no gays.

bazil9 on July 30, 2012 at 10:49 PM

Will this plank of the Democratic Party be called the “Arrest All Committed Catholics” act? Seem far-fetched? Might have a few years ago… now this fantasy of activists seems so much closer, indeed, inevitable with an Obama re-election.

theCork on July 30, 2012 at 10:02 PM

“GLASGOW, July 25, 2012, (LifeSiteNews.com) – One day after his appointment was announced, the new archbishop-elect of Glasgow has already been attacked in the media for his opposition to same-sex “marriage.” On the day the appointment was made public, Archbishop-elect Philip Tartaglia, a long-time and highly vocal opponent of the homosexualist political agenda, told journalists that he believed he could end up in prison for his views.

“I could see myself going to jail possibly at some point over the next 15 years—if God spares me—if I speak out,” Archbishop-elect Tartaglia, 61, told STV News on Tuesday.

Catholic News Agency quoted him saying, “I am deeply concerned that today, defending the traditional meaning of marriage is almost considered ‘hate speech’ and branded intolerant. Such a response is undemocratic, closes debate and is highly manipulative.”

Within only hours of the announcement, The Scotsman published a piece accusing Tartaglia of having made “hurtful” and “ill-informed” remarks, back in April, about the death of an openly homosexual Labor MP and former Catholic priest.

In a speech Tartaglia, who was then bishop of Paisley, gave in April at a symposium at Oxford University on threats to religious freedom, he predicted that the government’s latest push for “gay marriage” is a near-guarantee of outright persecution of any religious group that dissents from the liberal zeitgeist. Christians who refuse to “bend to become a religion of the state,” he said, will soon no longer be tolerated.

He asked, “Will society continue to afford the Catholic Church and other religious bodies the oxygen and the vital space to be themselves and to express themselves in the public square, or will my Church be forced to conform to a publicly acceptable form of religiosity, a kind of patriotic Church?

“Or worse, will we be driven to the margins of society, and perhaps denied the legal right to carry out our mission and to express our faith in public?” he asked.”

http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/archbishop-elect-i-could-see-myself-going-to-jail-for-standing-up-against-s/

workingclass artist on July 30, 2012 at 10:50 PM

Is there anything left for the Democrats to support that basically takes the true meaning of freedom away from Americans?

May God have mercy on them.

Hening on July 30, 2012 at 10:51 PM

Obama and his accomplices want to turn the US into a version of failed Europe.

“Catholic News Agency quoted a Scottish lawyer, Aidan O’Neill, who has joined the many voices warning that same-sex “marriage” legislation, for which the Scottish government has already opened a “consultation,” will radically undermine religious liberty. O’Neill said that re-writing the definition of marriage would pose a threat of civil suits and job-losses for anyone, including ministers and priests, who refuse to participate in such “wedding” ceremonies. The devolved Scottish parliament has recently refused to consider a public referendum on the topic.

Notably, the archbishop’s comments came at the same time a court in Spain was dismissing a suit brought by homosexualist organizations and left wing politicians against Juan Antonio Reig Plá, the bishop of Alcala de Henares for his criticism of the homosexual lifestyle in a sermon on Good Friday this year.

Reig Plá had told a large audience at the World Congress of Families in May that the “ideology of gender” and “queer theory” are undermining “the nature of the person” and are devoted to the deconstruction of the family. He also criticized radical feminism, moral relativism, and artificial reproduction, and he affirmed that the sacrament of marriage is “an institution intended by the Creator.”
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/archbishop-elect-i-could-see-myself-going-to-jail-for-standing-up-against-s/

workingclass artist on July 30, 2012 at 10:57 PM

Warren Buffett likes to say, if you look around the table and can’t tell who the mark is, you’re it. BO has played the gays like a violin, and if he is fitting them for a blame suit.(I don’t know what that is either)

motionview on July 30, 2012 at 10:58 PM

“The owner of Masterpiece Cake Shop in Lakewood refused to bake a wedding cake for a local gay couple and now people are pushing a boycott against the owner…”

http://denver.cbslocal.com/2012/07/28/lakewood-cake-shop-refuses-wedding-cake-to-gay-couple/

Maybe the Mark of the Beast is supporting Gay Marriage?

workingclass artist on July 30, 2012 at 11:08 PM

Hey, I’m in MA and we have SSM and look how great we are!

/i crack myself up

roy_batty on July 30, 2012 at 11:28 PM

What I have a problem with is being force fed what people feel is “right” and when I disagree being called a racist homophobe bigot.

gophergirl on July 30, 2012 at 8:12 PM

Well, you are a bigot. Just accept it and defend it as a position.

thuja on July 30, 2012 at 11:29 PM

Hey dumbass – ever hear of San Fransicko? I hope you have a strong stomach.

Harbingeing on July 30, 2012 at 9:51 PM

This!

Mardi Gras is a day in church compared to the Folsom St. Fair.

I don’t believe there is a hetero equivalent, either.

kakypat on July 30, 2012 at 11:30 PM

Pride is much more Gay than mardi gras. And they gay march in cities around the country. I don’t have to go to New Orleans. You shouldn’t have to stay inside in your hometown to avoid seeing discusting sex acts in public.

Rusty Allen on July 30, 2012 at 11:35 PM

Legal Marriage of One unnatural post-operative transsexual to another unnatural post-operative transsexual.

This is what the Democrats advocate and this is what the GOP should shove down their throats…in a very public manner…and watch virtually every major democrat demographic run for the exits.

Afterseven on July 30, 2012 at 11:42 PM

I was at a gay pride parade in a big city last year. A friend there invited me and said it would be fun. Everyone on the parade floats wore underwear and disco-posed and most of the crowd were straight, boring office workers , some pretending to be gay. There was lots of beer and spiked gatoraide.

Someone gay guy told me it was better when it was mostly gay. THen you’d see full frontal and real whips and chains. Ahh the old days of the GPP. I’m glad I never knew you.

BoxHead1 on July 30, 2012 at 11:59 PM

Way overestimating, in my opinion and direct experience. I take far more abuse for being a conservative from gays than I ever did from conservatives for being gay.

Furthermore, whenever this whole “gays are getting married to the opposite sex” thing comes up, I just point out that that only demonstrates that gays and lesbians have no problem with entering into sham marriages for social advancement, and will blame other people for “forcing” them when the marriage collapses.

And as far as straight people doing a poor job with marriage, separate issue. It behooves EVERYONE to support and push straight marriage, because those straights are going to have sex, that sex will produce kids, and those kids have no means of supporting themselves without parents. That’s why marriage exists — not to make straights have kids, but because straights have kids and society wants those kids to get the best chance possible to succeed.

Gays? Nope. Will never produce kids, all of the benefits and subsidy of marriage that are put in place to provide advantages for kids who can’t take care of themselves and have no legal standing are being wasted on adults who are perfectly capable of caring for themselves and have legal standing. No reason for it; it’s a waste of public dollars, and diverts it away from where it should be being spent on promoting and supporting straights to marry and stay married.

northdallasthirty on July 30, 2012 at 10:23 PM

I was going to say the same thing about your other post where you fixed my response replacing “gay” with “pedophiles”. I think that’s a huge and frankly downright disgusting stretch to make. Just b/c you may not like the gay lifestyle is no reason to equate them to pedophiles.

And based on what you’re saying above should only people who plan on having kids be allowed to get married?

Also there are plenty of kids in bad homes and in foster homes for which a gay couple would be much better parents.

LevinFan on July 31, 2012 at 12:27 AM

Changing your mind doesn’t mean you misunderstand the meaning of your original words. This is poor work for you.

libfreeordie on July 30, 2012 at 9:08 PM

Are you serious? I really doubt your stated educational creds. Because you just don’t get much. Rogerb hands your ass to you in every thread where you’re both on. Every single time. And by the way, he does it with your own stupid comments. Do you not understand what a moron you sound like here because of the hypocrisy that comes out of every comment you post? (Which Rogerb so easily points out)

Your entire performance here is laughable.

Rogerb, (bowing your direction)

hawkdriver on July 31, 2012 at 12:43 AM

I call on the black community to boycott that race-traitor, Obama.

The Count on July 30, 2012 at 6:06 PM

That will happen sometime between “never” and “no way.”

The black community will never abandon the Democrat Party, no matter how many times it is predicted by our side election cycle after election cycle. Sad to say, but in order for our country to survive, we have no choice but to relegate them to irrelevance forever.

Myron Falwell on July 31, 2012 at 12:57 AM

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