Cheney: Carter no longer the worst President in our lifetimes

posted at 10:01 am on July 30, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

A few Hot Air readers seemed a little off-put by Dick Cheney’s contention yesterday that the choice of Sarah Palin for John McCain’s running mate was a “mistake.”  Even his own daughter rebuked him yesterday on Twitter:

How can the former Vice President make amends?  How about comparing Barack Obama to Jimmy Carter … unfavorably?  Cheney tells Jonathan Karl that there hasn’t been a President with whom he’s disagreed more, including Carter:

Cheney’s harshest criticism, however, was for President Obama.

“I obviously am not a big fan of President Obama. I think he’s been one of our weakest presidents. I just fundamentally disagree with him philosophically. I’d be hard put to find any Democratic president that I’ve disagreed with more,” he said.

When asked if he thought Obama was “worse than Jimmy Carter,” Cheney replied, “Yes.”

Cheney gave Obama credited for killing al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden, but added that “a lot of that intelligence that laid the groundwork for what ultimately led to the capture of Bin Laden [was] as a result of programs we had in place in the Bush administration.”

He was sharply critical, however, of Obama’s plans to withdraw troops from Iraq and Afghanistan.

“We should not be running for the exits. We should not be turning our backs on our friends in that part of the world,” he said.

Actually, even with everything Cheney notes above, I’d still give the foreign-policy edge to Obama over Carter.  Had Carter taken over from George W. Bush in 2009, we would have not just conducted a pell-mell rush to exit Iraq, we’d have done the same in Afghanistan and killed the drone strikes that have proven very effective.  We might also have caved in to the Iranian mullahs on their nukes, and all one needs to remember to reach that conclusion was Carter’s shameful dithering with Iran in 1979 and 1980 after they committed an act of war against the US … for 444 days.

Cheney manages to get one last dig in at Obama, if obliquely.  When Karl asks him why he wasn’t more vocal in the same-sex marriage debate, Cheney reminds him that he gave his position in 2000 and never changed it — so why would he need to restate it again?  That’s nothing if not a shot at Obama’s “evolutionary” flip-flop in May.


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Love Sarah Palin. Cheney was probably right. Palin should have finished out her term as govenor and then ran for the US Senate.

She has the looks, charm, brains and judgement to be great. She has the charism to be unstoppable. Pushed into the spotlight too early.

Cheney is also right about Obama. He has no rivals for the title of worst President ever.

The Rock on July 30, 2012 at 10:05 AM

batting 50 percent there …
but it was obvious that BO is worse then Jimmah ….

conservative tarheel on July 30, 2012 at 10:06 AM

Old DICK needs to apologize for lying about Sarah – until he does, he’s just another old DICK looking for attention.

Pork-Chop on July 30, 2012 at 10:07 AM

Looking at it from a coldly political standpoint, maybe it was a mistake to pick someone destined to invoke all the spite the lsm can muster. What Cheney fails to mention, though, is that this is the lsm’s fault… not Sarah’s.

Mr. Prodigy on July 30, 2012 at 10:07 AM

batting 50 percent there …
but it was obvious that BO is worse then Jimmah ….

conservative tarheel on July 30, 2012 at 10:06 AM

Yep. Not exactly “breaking news”.

Bitter Clinger on July 30, 2012 at 10:08 AM

Up to having bho as president, my picks for worse presidents wilson/fdr/carter. bho is worse than all three combined, IMO!
L

letget on July 30, 2012 at 10:09 AM

Old DICK needs to apologize for lying about Sarah – until he does, he’s just another old DICK looking for attention.

Pork-Chop on July 30, 2012 at 10:07 AM

He didn’t lie. He merely offered his opinion. And as I said in the thread yesterday, I’m perfectly fine with him thinking that. But I’d like some consistency within the GOP elites. If Palin’s year and half as governor wasn’t enough experience to be the VP, then what IS sufficient enough for either spot on the ticket?

Doughboy on July 30, 2012 at 10:11 AM

Even his own daughter rebuked him yesterday on Twitter:

what that should read is “even his own daughter has reading comprehension like most of the hot gas commenters”

cheney claiming palin wasnt a good vp pick is in NO way an endorsement of 0bama or biden. it is possible to be conservative and not to think palin is some sort of goddes of conservatism. but as usual the ‘nistas go all liberal and cut off anyone who doesnt bow to their patron saint. this man has done more for the country than sarah ever will. especially since she just does fox news and reality shows.

chasdal on July 30, 2012 at 10:12 AM

Now that Russell Brand said that all anyone wants from Sarah Palin is to F her,he didn’t mention some women we don’t,like Pelosi,DWS,Barr,Warren and a very long list of others.

docflash on July 30, 2012 at 10:13 AM

Not really news that Cheney doesn’t like Obama.
And not news that Cheney wants to make it cleat that he doesn’t just not like him, but that he really really doesn’t like him.
But the Palin take-down…huge.
Also, how patriotic of Cheney that was willing to support and promote a VP candidate that he felt wasn’t ready or able to be VP…and thus a heartbeat away from the presidency.
And now…Et tu, Liz?
Good stuff!

verbaluce on July 30, 2012 at 10:14 AM

Then it’s time for the much awaited Millard Fillmore/Franklin Pierce/Barack Obama debate!

Little Boomer on July 30, 2012 at 10:15 AM

chasdal on July 30, 2012 at 10:12 AM

I respect what Cheney has done for the country. But saying Palin has done little for the country reveals you to be the establishment twit you are.

Bitter Clinger on July 30, 2012 at 10:16 AM

It’s hard to credit Obama on foreign policy when he doesn’t act from the principle of American exceptionalism. He’s more afraid, political, and pandering. If that ends well, it’s not on purpose.

Paul-Cincy on July 30, 2012 at 10:17 AM

We might also have caved in to the Iranian mullahs on their nukes, and all one needs to remember to reach that conclusion was Carter’s shameful dithering with Iran in 1979 and 1980 after they committed an act of war against the US … for 444 days.

Carter, like Obama, was somewhat at the mercy of events. The trouble with freeing the hostages in Iran was multifactorial—one of those factors being the wherewithal of the president to act. Several other factors being the ability to act, once it was decided that a rescue mission was to be conducted. That being said, the US military, unlike now, simply did not have the “legs” (ie, aircraft capability), the “eyes” (night vision capability) to adequately infiltrate, execute the mission, then subsequently exfil all the hostages + SOF personnel.

After reading up on the topic, I’d stop short of calling Carter’s actions “shameful dithering.” Part of that time was used to make generations leaps in night vision technology and get Delta Force up to speed on this mission. The mission failure, IMO, wasn’t due to Carter’s dithering, it was more due to an inability of our aircraft & personnel to function in a joint environment. The silver lining was that we developed JSOC and the 160th SOAR in the aftermath. Given that, it certainly is “shameful dithering” that 3 opportunities to kill Bin Laden were passed up when we have long had the capability to find, capture/kill him.
TWO CENT

ted c on July 30, 2012 at 10:17 AM

Dick’s comment about Sarah may have been more about electability than qualifications.

Some people just don’t like her.
Perhaps she is too hot for the likely female voter.
Her voice is rather high pitched and this can be a subconcious turn-off.

If you heard a politician that sounded like Orson Wells, you would be inclined to vote for him.

esblowfeld on July 30, 2012 at 10:17 AM

Old DICK needs to apologize for lying about Sarah – until he does, he’s just another old DICK looking for attention.

Pork-Chop on July 30, 2012 at 10:07 AM

What did he lie about? He was just giving his opinion. Palin’s a big girl, I’m sure she can take a differing view of how the ’08 veep process played out (even if her fans can’t).

changer1701 on July 30, 2012 at 10:17 AM

Actually, even with everything Cheney notes above, I’d still give the foreign-policy edge to Obama over Carter. Had Carter taken over from George W. Bush in 2009, we would have not just conducted a pell-mell rush to exit Iraq, we’d have done the same in Afghanistan and killed the drone strikes that have proven very effective.

NO, NO, NO, NO!

What makes President Obama suck is the now obvious demagaugary that he, the press and the entire Democratic party engaged in in 2008. They were willing to undermind the entire effort in Iraq – regardless of the consequences – for the sake of winning the election.

Whatever happened to Code Pink or Cindy Sheehan? They disappeared from site once BHO got elected. Whatever happened to the ‘we are creating more terrorists than we are killing” meme? It disappeared as soon as BHO became president. Whatever happened to outrage about rendition or Guantanamo? Disappeared.

The irony is that, when it comes to foreign policy, BHO wants credit for everything he inherited from GWB.

Deafdog on July 30, 2012 at 10:19 AM

How can the former Vice President make amends?

He cant , he was wrong and he had no valid reason to slander Palin.

He has made awful decisions himself as VP , but there were no real need to list them now during the election but that now changed.

It was a deliberate attack to support the establishment against the grassroots.

the_nile on July 30, 2012 at 10:19 AM

At least Carter wasn’t a Marxist.

Liz +1
Dick 0

petefrt on July 30, 2012 at 10:19 AM

A few Hot Air readers seemed a little off-put by Dick Cheney’s contention yesterday that the choice of Sarah Palin for John McCain’s running mate was a “mistake.” Even his own daughter rebuked him yesterday on Twitter

…yesterday he was wrong…today he’s right!
Batting 500 is ok…but not for a conservative.

KOOLAID2 on July 30, 2012 at 10:21 AM

What did he lie about? He was just giving his opinion. Palin’s a big girl, I’m sure she can take a differing view of how the ’08 veep process played out (even if her fans can’t).

changer1701 on July 30, 2012 at 10:17 AM

This isn’t about “differing view” , this is Cheney intentionally giving media something to bash conservatives with.

Aiding and abetting enemy.

the_nile on July 30, 2012 at 10:22 AM

From my vantage point in Canada, Obama is the worst president ever. His foreign policy has managed to p!ss off all of America’s best allies. His pandering to the Islamic universe is pitiful. That puts him in the same league as Carter. Domestically and economically he has been a far worse disaster than Carter. If this was a boxing match, Obama beats Carter by a knock out in the 8th round but Carter was losing on the judges cards when it happened.

Brian Mallard on July 30, 2012 at 10:23 AM

This thread shows why Dick Cheney’s dismissal of Palin was ill advised. Even though we already have big threads bashing him, bashing each other, bashing the Mitt-bots etc this thread will sink into the same thing.

Few give a rat’s patootie what Cheney said about Obama or about Carter – we want to dissect whether Palin- a candidate from a 4 year past election was good or bad. You know the msm will not give much ink to Cheney’s words on Obama or on Carter – they’re too busy chortling over the Right stabbing each other in the back. No wonder the GOP can’t win even when the Dems have sucky candidates.

katiejane on July 30, 2012 at 10:23 AM

Going for yet another 1400 posts are we?

The only candidate anywhere that could and still can generate this kind of interest and the people who could harness that energy and use it for powerful good already flushed her down the toilet and are standing guard by the crapper, ready to flush again as needed.

The Republican Party is indeed the Stupid Party. But, hey, bash away at the Snowbilly while a commie metro-sexual fumbles around and steals your lunch. Again.

I thought Cheney was smarter than this.

SurferDoc on July 30, 2012 at 10:23 AM

ted c on July 30, 2012 at 10:17 AM

As I understand, it Carter got cold feet in the middle of the operation to rescue the hostages and called it off, which resulted in confusion and death of some troops.

kenny on July 30, 2012 at 10:26 AM

Palin’s a big girl, I’m sure she can take a differing view of how the ’08 veep process played out (even if her fans can’t).

changer1701 on July 30, 2012 at 10:17 AM

Please remember that when posters insult offer their opinions on Mitt & his VP choice.

katiejane on July 30, 2012 at 10:26 AM

Old DICK needs to apologize for lying about Sarah – until he does, he’s just another old DICK looking for attention.

Pork-Chop on July 30, 2012 at 10:07 AM

What “lie”?

Calm down their turbo, you are way to invested in someone you have never met or talked to.

It was just an opinion.

right2bright on July 30, 2012 at 10:29 AM

I agree with Mr. Cheney on this one though. There was something telling when he gave that sideways stare at obummer during obumble’s swearing in ceremony. Made eerily noticeable with that black hat on.

jake49 on July 30, 2012 at 10:30 AM

Please remember that when posters insult offer their opinions on Mitt & his VP choice.

katiejane on July 30, 2012 at 10:26 AM

Thou shalt not talk ill of thy Mitt…

right2bright on July 30, 2012 at 10:30 AM

A Palin thread is like a morning cup of coffee….FIRED UP, READY TO GO. 1500 posts, easy, I’d say by 8:30 pm EST.

gracie on July 30, 2012 at 10:31 AM

Few give a rat’s patootie what Cheney said about Obama or about Carter – we want to dissect whether Palin- a candidate from a 4 year past election was good or bad. You know the msm will not give much ink to Cheney’s words on Obama or on Carter – they’re too busy chortling over the Right stabbing each other in the back. No wonder the GOP can’t win even when the Dems have sucky candidates.

katiejane on July 30, 2012 at 10:23 AM

Yes the retreads about Obama was just an excuse for Cheney the get the Palin attack out.

GOP is more afraid of an active base , than the corruption they’re part of.

the_nile on July 30, 2012 at 10:31 AM

I like Sarah Palin but I am also OK with Cheney’s opinion about her. I qualify that by suggesting that Palin might not have been a bad pick in general. I think she is better qualified as an executive than Obama. I think that Palin was a bad pick for the McCain campaign. He is a tired old man who ran a lackluster campaign. I believe he was nominated because it was his time. I just think if he was younger he would have shown more fire for winning the presidency. I think his campaign reflected his tired, compromising manner and in that respect Palin was a bad pick for him. For a more dynamic younger candidate probably not so much. Just my opinion.

DaveDief on July 30, 2012 at 10:31 AM

I like Sarah Palin but I am also OK with Cheney’s opinion about her

Me, too. What office is she running for that she’s currently an untouchable?

Marcus on July 30, 2012 at 10:34 AM

Cheney’s harshest criticism, however

Everything after “but”, but before “however”?… lol

Fallon on July 30, 2012 at 10:34 AM

TWO CENT

ted c on July 30, 2012 at 10:17 AM

Yeah, that is how the liberal press report it…Carter dismantled the military, so it’s not unreasonable to find out we didn’t have the heli’s that were mechanically capable of crossing the desert for the rescue mission…and of course the little known fact, withing “moments” after Reagan was sworn in, the hostages were released.
They knew what was about to rain (reign) down on them…they had no fear of Carter. Reagan on the other hand, he was the “Wild West Cowboy”, and was considered a loose canon willing to fight just for the sport of it, at least that was what the foreign press designated him as.
And, later, Kadafi (Quadafi or whatever) found out all too personally how dedicated to peace Reagan was.

right2bright on July 30, 2012 at 10:35 AM

I like Sarah Palin but I am also OK with Cheney’s opinion about her. I qualify that by suggesting that Palin might not have been a bad pick in general.

DaveDief on July 30, 2012 at 10:31 AM

Then you contradict what Cheney said, and thereby yourself.

the_nile on July 30, 2012 at 10:39 AM

Her voice is rather high pitched and this can be a subconcious turn-off.

If you heard a politician that sounded like Orson Wells, you would be inclined to vote for him.

esblowfeld on July 30, 2012 at 10:17 AM

This is so true. My own mother doesn’t think SP is qualified to be dogcatcher because “she’s too brassy!” (Whatever that means) But I read from the speech transcript of Palin at RightOnline (I think) without attributing it to Palin, she said, “Now, that guy should be President.” When I told her it was Palin, she got mad at me and said that Palin is stupid and should just shut up.

rmel80 on July 30, 2012 at 10:39 AM

Please remember that when posters insult offer their opinions on Mitt & his VP choice.

katiejane on July 30, 2012 at 10:26 AM

Yeah, not nearly the same thing…most Mitt supporters can take at least a little criticism of the man. No such thing is allowed where Palin is concerned.

changer1701 on July 30, 2012 at 10:39 AM

Palin may have not been the best pick…but then I don’t think anyone would have been a good pick for McCain. He was going to lose, and probably lose even bigger with some other pick.
Sarah was just not ready for “prime-time”, she had a difficult time in interviews, difficult time with image…it undercut he ability to connect with the common people, McCain’s campaign was horrible at PR, and they were against a machine that I doubt anyone could have beaten.

But glad he picked her, she is a force now, and because of McCain desperate attempt she is in a better position than if she would have stayed as Governor in Alaska…eventually fading to oblivion.

right2bright on July 30, 2012 at 10:39 AM

Uh, Dick . . . we have been exerting a lot of FAITH in you for 12 yrs.

Why are you undermining it ? : (

listens2glenn on July 30, 2012 at 10:41 AM

Then you contradict what Cheney said, and thereby yourself.

the_nile on July 30, 2012 at 10:39 AM

Yeah, I agree.

DaveDief on July 30, 2012 at 10:41 AM

How can the former Vice President make amends? How about comparing Barack Obama to Jimmy Carter … unfavorably? Cheney tells Jonathan Karl that there hasn’t been a President with whom he’s disagreed more, including Carter:

Oh, but just wait until Obummer is sworn in after he’s been re-elected.

By the middle of his second term, he will be incomparable to any former president. Of OUR nation, that is.

hawkeye54 on July 30, 2012 at 10:42 AM

Palin is no deep thinker but she is decent and pragmatic. She should get some help with her voice, but she is a great person.

kenny on July 30, 2012 at 10:43 AM

Old DICK needs to apologize for lying about Sarah – until he does, he’s just another old DICK looking for attention.

Pork-Chop on July 30, 2012 at 10:07 AM

He didn’t lie about anything. He gave his personal opinion of Palin. Nice, though, that you’re now employing the same childish attacks of Cheney that your average liberal has for the last decade.

MadisonConservative on July 30, 2012 at 10:45 AM

Cheney has fallen into the Obama mindset-here he blames Bush for Obama being able to get Bin Laden. sarc/LOL

3dpuzzman on July 30, 2012 at 10:45 AM

esblowfeld on July 30, 2012 at 10:17 AM

rmel80 on July 30, 2012 at 10:39 AM

Michelle Bachman has the same problem.

Margaret Thatcher has even a worse problem and she resolved it by going to Sir Laurence Olivier. That turned her career around, and made her one of the most effective speakers of our time.

But…ego’s are too large…Lady Thatcher knew what she needed to have done to accomplish her goals.
If you are serious, you do what is necessary…

right2bright on July 30, 2012 at 10:46 AM

Love Sarah Palin. Cheney was probably right. Palin should have finished out her term as govenor and then ran for the US Senate.

She has the looks, charm, brains and judgement to be great. She has the charism to be unstoppable. Pushed into the spotlight too early.

Cheney is also right about Obama. He has no rivals for the title of worst President ever.

The Rock on July 30, 2012 at 10:05 AM

Sure, agree 100%.

But that was McLame’s flop, not Palin’s. Veep’s don’t chose themselves, ya know. Milquetoast needed a ‘hail mary’ to spark that flacid campaign of his…FAIL

socalcon on July 30, 2012 at 10:46 AM

He gave an opinion which is not that rare when speaking about Palin. You can like the woman but not think she is capable of being president. Why is this so hard to grasp? Amazing.

sherry on July 30, 2012 at 10:47 AM

I’ve gotten used to Mr. Cheney speaking from the heart. Too bad it’s now Democrat.

Mr Mxyzptlk on July 30, 2012 at 10:49 AM

it is possible to be conservative and not to think palin is some sort of goddes of conservatism.

But is it?

CorporatePiggy on July 30, 2012 at 10:49 AM

The mistake was not McCain asking Palin to be his VP. The mistake was for Palin to accept it.

It, unfortunately, did serious damage to HER and HER future in GOP politics. And we all have and will continue to suffer for it.

Gunlock Bill on July 30, 2012 at 10:51 AM

If Palin had been at the top of the ticket, I’m not sure the Republicans would have won, but we would have had a better chance. The country was tired of Bush, and then the R’s handed us McRINO. Ugh.

Palin’s VP candidacy was the only thing McRINO’s campaign had going for it.

And, face it, Palin might not have been quite ready, but can anyone seriously argue that she wouldn’t have done better than Obama?

hachiban on July 30, 2012 at 10:55 AM

Yeah, not nearly the same thing…most Mitt supporters can take at least a little criticism of the man. No such thing is allowed where Palin is concerned.

changer1701 on July 30, 2012 at 10:39 AM

Really? I dunno about that. Rombots take it pretty personally when I merely point out that Mitt spent most of his political career distancing himself from movement conservatism — and said as much in 2002. Rombots take it pretty personally when I merely mention the name “Jon Gruber” in relation to the link between Romneycare and Obamacare. If rombots can’t handle settle facts, I can’t imagine them NOT getting lathered up over a few considered opinions…

gryphon202 on July 30, 2012 at 11:00 AM

This is going to be a great experiment. My contention yesterday was that VP Cheney had given the media something to joyfully blather about for several days. Calling The Won a worse president than Jimmah is a pretty bold statement. Not to us, because we agree, but the press must have had palpitations. Now we sit back and see which gets the most coverage.

Cindy Munford on July 30, 2012 at 11:01 AM

He didn’t lie about anything. He gave his personal opinion of Palin. Nice, though, that you’re now employing the same childish attacks of Cheney that your average liberal has for the last decade.

MadisonConservative on July 30, 2012 at 10:45 AM

Please note, rombots and Palin haters, nowhere on this thread or in last night’s thread did I criticize Dick Cheney. It should be readily apparent that I disagree with him, but the old man is entitled to his opinion. That is one debate I’m not going to get drawn in to this time.

gryphon202 on July 30, 2012 at 11:02 AM

The mistake was not McCain asking Palin to be his VP. The mistake was for Palin to accept it.

Gunlock Bill on July 30, 2012 at 10:51 AM

+1. She wasn’t ready for the big time (and arguably still isn’t), and by the time McLame wanted to bring her on board the battle was already lost.

MelonCollie on July 30, 2012 at 11:03 AM

changer1701 on July 30, 2012 at 10:39 AM

The devoted of either are very thin skinned. I think what you are seeing is that Gov. Palin just has more supporters, not crazier ones.

Cindy Munford on July 30, 2012 at 11:03 AM

IMHO – the VP selection didn’t matter, because in 20/20 hindsight, I think we’ve figured out McCain was the wrong choice for the top spot. If you don’t have the right Pres candidate, the VP choice won’t make that much difference.

dentarthurdent on July 30, 2012 at 11:06 AM

This is going to be a great experiment. My contention yesterday was that VP Cheney had given the media something to joyfully blather about for several days. Calling The Won a worse president than Jimmah is a pretty bold statement. Not to us, because we agree, but the press must have had palpitations. Now we sit back and see which gets the most coverage.

Cindy Munford on July 30, 2012 at 11:01 AM

The attack on Palin is what the MSM wants , and that’s what Cheney gave them as he intended. They control what to show to protect Obama.

the_nile on July 30, 2012 at 11:06 AM

gryphon202 on July 30, 2012 at 11:00 AM

Most Gingrich people, Perry people, Cain people and Santorum people now support Romney. We need to remove Pale Skeletal from the WH.

kenny on July 30, 2012 at 11:08 AM

The attack on Palin is what the MSM wants , and that’s what Cheney gave them as he intended. They control what to show to protect Obama.

the_nile on July 30, 2012 at 11:06 AM

In fairness to Cheney, I don’t think his opinion qualifies as an “attack” at all. I disagree with it, and I find his opinion on that particular matter to be ill-considered, but that doesn’t mean it was an “attack.” Sure-and-enough, the media will paint it as one, but it’s all sound and fury as far as I’m concerned. Cheney was asked his opinion, he gave it, I disagree, and we move on.

gryphon202 on July 30, 2012 at 11:09 AM

Cindy Munford on July 30, 2012 at 11:01 AM

This……

docflash on July 30, 2012 at 11:09 AM

Most Gingrich people, Perry people, Cain people and Santorum people now support Romney. We need to remove Pale Skeletal from the WH.

kenny on July 30, 2012 at 11:08 AM

If by “support,” you mean “plan on voting for,” I think you’re right. My focus right now is on ensuring that we don’t get force-fed another shit sandwich the next time we nominate a Republican.

gryphon202 on July 30, 2012 at 11:11 AM

the_nile on July 30, 2012 at 11:06 AM

That’s my theory but it is still somewhat gratifying to see if it plays out. While I agree that VP Cheney must have known the outcome, I’m still reserving judgement on why he did it. It may never be clear.

Cindy Munford on July 30, 2012 at 11:11 AM

That’s my theory but it is still somewhat gratifying to see if it plays out. While I agree that VP Cheney must have known the outcome, I’m still reserving judgement on why he did it. It may never be clear.

Cindy Munford on July 30, 2012 at 11:11 AM

Maybe that’s what he really believes, Cindy. Don’t be too smart by half.

gryphon202 on July 30, 2012 at 11:12 AM

This is the only site I have seen prominently displaying Cheney insulting Obama. Surprise, surprise, Cheney insulting Palin was headline news all weekend. Shows how demented the Republican Party is. The one politician guaranteed to get headlines and all they can do is trash her.

D.L.Mc on July 30, 2012 at 11:13 AM

Cheney is right about Obama, Palin, and gay marriage. The truth hurts sometimes.

McDuck on July 30, 2012 at 11:15 AM

As I understand, it Carter got cold feet in the middle of the operation to rescue the hostages and called it off, which resulted in confusion and death of some troops.

kenny on July 30, 2012 at 10:26 AM

I don’t believe that that is true. Charlie Beckwith, the Delta commander, signaled abort up the chain of command and Mr. Carter accepted it. What choice did he have?

ted c on July 30, 2012 at 11:16 AM

Obama is officially worse than Carter.

I took the Employment-Population ratio data from 1977 to present, used Microsoft Excel to average the monthly numbers for each Presidency, and then sorted them.

Here’s the ranking of average Employment-Population ratio by Presidency:

63.4 Clinton Presidency (January 1993 – December 2000)
62.7 G.W.Bush Presidency (January 2001 – December 2008)
62.2 G.H.W.Bush Presidency (January 1989 – December 1992)
59.9 Reagan Presidency (January 1981 – December 1988)
59.1 Carter Presidency (January 1977- December 1980)
58.7 Obama Presidency (January 2009 – June 2012)

Obama is officially worse than Carter.

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Clinton was helped by 6 years of a Republican Congress and the Dot Com boom.

George W. Bush was helped by 6 years of a Republican Congress, but hurt by the Dot Com bust, 9/11 attacks, and CRA Fannie/Freddie subprime mortgage crisis that was caused predominantly by Democrats. The CRA was signed by Carter and expanded by Clinton. The Fannie/Freddie crisis that was the direct result of what the DEMONRATS did… the Republicans tried for years to rein in Fannie & Freddie, while the Demonrats obstructed and accused the Republicans of racism. Watch Maxine Waters and other Democrats accuse Republicans of racism as the Republicans tried to increase regulation of Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac, and Democrats covered up the corruption. What turned things around were the Bush Tax Cuts, which, from 2003 to 2007, helped lead to over 8 million new jobs and FY 2007 revenues that were 44% LARGER than FY 2003 revenues.

Reagan had to deal with a Democrat House for his entire 8 year Presidency, and a Democrat Senate for his last 2 years.

For as much as the Democrat Media slams Bush, they fail to recognize that over his 8 years he had the second highest Employment-population ratio of any President in U.S. history! And that was even with the Dot Com bust, the 9/11 attacks, and the Democrat-caused CRA and Fannie/Freddie subprime mortgage crisis!

Each and every month of Obama’s Presidency has “featured” an Employment-population ratio that is lower than each and every month of George W. Bush’s Presidency!

The lowest that the Employment-population ratio ever got under Bush is higher than it ever has been under Obama.

And Obama’s average Employment-population ratio of 58.7% is the lowest of any President in the last 35 years!

ITguy on July 30, 2012 at 11:17 AM

My Top Five Worst American Presidents of all time:

(1) James Buchanan
(2) Andrew Johnson
(3) Barack Obama
(4) Jimmy Carter
(5) George W. Bush

So Cheney saying Obama is worse than Carter is not saying very much.

Sarah Palin would have done a better job as President than George W. Bush. She has more common sense…

William Eaton on July 30, 2012 at 11:19 AM

gryphon202 on July 30, 2012 at 11:11 AM

From the beginning, have had reservations about Romney. He seems a bit passive on the surface, but then there was what he did to my boy Gingrich.

kenny on July 30, 2012 at 11:19 AM

Palin was the only good part of Mush Face McCain’s campaign. I knew he was going to lose before Palin even came on the ticket, and I was proved correct.

Cheney is 100% correct about Obama. He is the worst president in the history of the US. This country is more divided than ever, and Obama is at fault, pitting Americans against each other. His “foreign policy” if we can even say he has one is pathetically weak. Obama is a total failure in every respect.

jqc1970 on July 30, 2012 at 11:19 AM

Really? I dunno about that. Rombots take it pretty personally when I merely point out that Mitt spent most of his political career distancing himself from movement conservatism — and said as much in 2002. Rombots take it pretty personally when I merely mention the name “Jon Gruber” in relation to the link between Romneycare and Obamacare. If rombots can’t handle settle facts, I can’t imagine them NOT getting lathered up over a few considered opinions…

gryphon202 on July 30, 2012 at 11:00 AM

That’s just it…it’s not taken personally. You get pushback (mostly) because it seems like you’re re-litigating old primary battles. “Rombots” just want to see Obama defeated, and rehashing those types of criticisms when he’s going to be the nominee don’t serve much of a purpose to that end. I dare say most of the Romney supporters here were supportive of the McCain/Palin ticket and weren’t speaking ill of her then, criticizing the attacks on her too. I was here…it was overwhelmingly positive towards her. There’s simply no comparison between how Romney supporters take criticism of him, and how Palin fans take the same of her.

changer1701 on July 30, 2012 at 11:20 AM

In fairness to Cheney, I don’t think his opinion qualifies as an “attack” at all. I disagree with it, and I find his opinion on that particular matter to be ill-considered, but that doesn’t mean it was an “attack.” Sure-and-enough, the media will paint it as one, but it’s all sound and fury as far as I’m concerned. Cheney was asked his opinion, he gave it, I disagree, and we move on.

gryphon202 on July 30, 2012 at 11:09 AM

If you put weapons in the hands of the enemy as cheney intentionally did, you’re part of the attack.
He knew they would use it against conservatives.
It wont fill any other purpose.

I dont think Palin ever said anything bad about Cheney.
Thats because she avoids it , not because theres nothing to say about many of his awful failures.
Avoiding giving your “opinion” when media looks for attacks are what politicians do all the time.

the_nile on July 30, 2012 at 11:21 AM

I, too, have long believed that Jimmy Carter was the worst president we ever had…until recently. I have constructed a device that I call the Stupid-O-Meter. When I loaded Jimmy Carter’s political views into my meter, he pegged it, at each measured parameter.

Then, I thought to compare Carter’s abysmal results with the views of my current idea of the nation’s worst president, the Kenyan usurper, Obozo. When I loaded Obozo’s political views into my Stupid-O-Meter, the meter shook, vibrated, started to smoke, and finally blew up. Failing to get an accurate reading, I rebuilt my meter, using all US Made, MIL-SPEC components. My rebuilt military-grade meter was able to withstand even the extreme stupidity and malevolence of Obozo, and arrive at an accurate reading. The results are in: Obozo has eclipsed Jimmy Carter, in all parameters. I can confidently state that Obozo is the worst, the stupidest, the most anti-American, the most destructive president we have ever had. Carter, stupid and ineffective as he was, at least meant well. Obozo has demonstrated clearly that he means ill to the United States, despises our founding documents, and will circumvent them at any time. He has amply demonstrated that he despises the very notion of Freedom, and other values held by this Republic.

uncle_fweddy on July 30, 2012 at 11:21 AM

As I understand, it Carter got cold feet in the middle of the operation to rescue the hostages and called it off, which resulted in confusion and death of some troops.

kenny on July 30, 2012 at 10:26 AM

Not entirely true, from what I’ve read and gotten from people somewhat involved at the time – but he did micro-manage a lot of it, as he did with nearly everything.
The abort had more to do with the loss of 1 or 2 of the helicopters due to mechanical problems, then everything went to he!! at the Desert 1 site due to bad visibility from a dust storm. There’s a lot of good info out there – just google it.

dentarthurdent on July 30, 2012 at 11:22 AM

I disagree with Ed on the foreign policy issue. For all that Carter did wrong, we were not involved in armed conflict at the time. Maybe Carter would have cut and run, but compared to what Obama’s doing, that would have at least saved some lives.

We’ve been taking out AQ leaders with drones for 5 years and yet they’re still out there, still fighting, still killing Americans. We took the head of the snake 15 months ago and yet, our boys are still dying and coming home injured.

I’m all for the massive display of force; to destroy our enemies without shame or restraint, but what Obama has done was modeled off the LBJ method of fighting a war from behind a desk in DC. It has failed miserably and only allowed more of our young men and women to be sacrificed. If we were going to have a president who lacked the intestinal fortitude to be an effective and strong CiC, we should have folded up the tent in January 2009. In this regard, he’s worse than Carter.

And the likelihood of Iran obtaining nukes is probably equal under both.

BKeyser on July 30, 2012 at 11:23 AM

gryphon202 on July 30, 2012 at 11:12 AM

I am sure he does, the point is why say it? She is not a candidate and it will probably overshadow his criticism of Obama. Which may be the answer. I hope not, that would seem like a weenie thing to do.

Cindy Munford on July 30, 2012 at 11:23 AM

uncle_fweddy on July 30, 2012 at 11:21 AM

Enthusiastic engineer LOL.

dentarthurdent on July 30, 2012 at 11:24 AM

I’m happy to see Dick Cheney is recovering, that he looks stronger and should be around for many years to come.

I agree with those who like Sarah Palin but who think she was pushed into national politics too soon, before she was ready.

The biggest mistake in 2008, not counting the election of Barack Obama, was the nomination of John McCain. The nomination of Sarah Palin was not significant.

J Baustian on July 30, 2012 at 11:24 AM

The devoted of either are very thin skinned. I think what you are seeing is that Gov. Palin just has more supporters, not crazier ones.

Cindy Munford on July 30, 2012 at 11:03 AM

Yeah, there are thin-skinned on both sides, but she has more supporters who feel deeply about that support, therefore the reaction to any perceived slight toward her seems to evoke a more visceral reaction. That thread from yesterday is the perfect example.

changer1701 on July 30, 2012 at 11:24 AM

Please note, rombots and Palin haters, nowhere on this thread or in last night’s thread did I criticize Dick Cheney. It should be readily apparent that I disagree with him, but the old man is entitled to his opinion. That is one debate I’m not going to get drawn in to this time.

gryphon202 on July 30, 2012 at 11:02 AM

Nor did I.

For simpletons, however, an other-than-glowing opinion about Palin, from another conservative…

Two enter. One may leave.

MadisonConservative on July 30, 2012 at 11:27 AM

dentarthurdent on July 30, 2012 at 11:22 AM

They had no determined support from the WH, despite conditions. Don’t believe all you read on political matters with Google. Remember it is run by lefties.

kenny on July 30, 2012 at 11:28 AM

I dare say most of the Romney supporters here were supportive of the McCain/Palin ticket and weren’t speaking ill of her then, criticizing the attacks on her too. I was here…it was overwhelmingly positive towards her. There’s simply no comparison between how Romney supporters take criticism of him, and how Palin fans take the same of her.

changer1701 on July 30, 2012 at 11:20 AM

Romney’s current campaign manager/spokes hole was repeating democrat/rino talking points about Palin before the election was over.

the_nile on July 30, 2012 at 11:28 AM

ITguy on July 30, 2012 at 11:17 AM

Your data points directly at something I’ve been saying for a long time – Congress makes a bigger difference than who is in the WH. Everyone talks about which President had the best or worst records, but the data shows that the real difference for a good economy and stable budget (even surplus) goes with a Republican controlled Congress.

dentarthurdent on July 30, 2012 at 11:28 AM

I see that a few folks here are all upset that I called Dick Cheney a LIAR – well, I stand by that. When Cheney says this …

“The test to get on that small list has to be, ‘Is this person capable of being president of the United States?’”

“I don’t think she passed that test…of being ready to take over.”

“And I think that was a mistake.”

… HE IS LYING – he DOES NOT “THINK” that she didn’t “PASS THE TEST”, because he knows full well that she was fully vetted and was believed to be the best choice by McCain and his team and the GOP – HE knows that she passed the test. Cheney DOES NOT “THINK” choosing Sarah was a “mistake” because he knows that Sarah Palin boosted McCain’s support, fundraising and vote tally dramatically – this is simple fact (was Cheney in a coma during the 2008 election cycle?)

So, are we to believe that Cheney KNOWS something is true, but he does not “THINK” it is true? Or, is Cheney just an imbecile who is unable to comprehend facts and form a fact-based opinion? Please – spare me.

So, WHY is Cheney making such outlandishly false statements? Because Cheney wants to damage Palin (and, apparently, Mitt Romney) – he (and most of the GOP establishment) STILL FEAR what PALIN represents. Cheney IS intelligent enough to understand that lying about Sarah Palin at this time hurts Romney the most – Romney needs Sarah and her supporters and Romney should publicly call Cheney out on this.

Pork-Chop on July 30, 2012 at 11:30 AM

Me, too. What office is she running for that she’s currently an untouchable?

Marcus on July 30, 2012 at 10:34 AM

She’s NEVER been untouchable. There was only one perfect person9two if you’re Catholic)and that person wasn’t named Sarah Palin.
Honestly- I like Sarah Palin in many ways. She’s bright, conservative, has a wonderful family(especially Trig the cutie-bug), has gotten where she is through hard work, etc… Here family was run through Hell by the media-and she STILL came out on top. You can’t NOT like a person like that.
what I don’t like are her supporters who label any and all who even are mildly criticize her as ‘stupid’ or ‘liberals’ or ‘RINOS’. If you’re female you’re obviously only critical of her because you’re a fat, loser, Wally-World associate w/ no friends who couldn’t beg someone to sleep w/ you and who can’t stand that Sarah is better you are you pathetic she-creature.

Gov. Palin is a good conservative POLITICIAN. she’s not the only one.

annoyinglittletwerp on July 30, 2012 at 11:30 AM

changer1701 on July 30, 2012 at 11:24 AM

I am a huge Gov. Palin fan but I think the press accomplished their mission of ruining her career. The Mittwitts on this site almost talked me out of voting for him with their needless attacks on any who were not completely on board. I think in the world of politics it better to be smart than “right”. And when your guy needs the votes it is pretty stupid to insult those with the votes. Gov. Palin is not running for anything and doesn’t need the taxpayers or voters’ money, continually harping on her is a waste of time and garners only ill will. But it apparently is good fun.

Cindy Munford on July 30, 2012 at 11:31 AM

They had no determined support from the WH, despite conditions. Don’t believe all you read on political matters with Google. Remember it is run by lefties.

kenny on July 30, 2012 at 11:28 AM

I don’t read google – google just identifies the published documents / reports written by the people involved in the operation – Beckwith being one of them.
I wouldn’t disagree about “lack of support” from the WH – but one of the biggest problems with Carter was him micro-managing details in areas he no business meddling with. I believe that made a big difference on the odds of success for that mission – i.e. doomed it to failure.

dentarthurdent on July 30, 2012 at 11:32 AM

Romney’s current campaign manager/spokes hole was repeating democrat/rino talking points about Palin before the election was over.

the_nile on July 30, 2012 at 11:28 AM

Is he a Romney supporter here? That’s who I was referring to…I know she was undermined by some on our “side” prior to the election. By McCain’s own team by not doing a better job of preparing her, too, imo.

changer1701 on July 30, 2012 at 11:33 AM

dentarthurdent on July 30, 2012 at 11:22 AM

They had no determined support from the WH, despite conditions. Don’t believe all you read on political matters with Google. Remember it is run by lefties.

kenny on July 30, 2012 at 11:28 AM

I might add that conditions were not all that great at Normandy.

kenny on July 30, 2012 at 11:34 AM

Cheney is both right and wrong about Sarah… But her pick had nothing to do with Mac’s loss.

Sarah was and still is more qualified than the punk in the WH, but the Commie Barack Butt Kissing MSM types (and David Letterman’s ilk) had a target rich persona in Palin. It was as easy for them to paint her negatively as it was for them to cover for Obama (and to put halos over his head)…

This traitorous behavior by the MSM along with a lot of war weariness, BDS… a tanking economy, and a lame campaign by McCain gave us Obama.

Sarah could have been the perfect VP pick… and 99% of the time we would have still ended up with Barack. Proof?

Barry beat Hillary in the primaries and she was a shoe in until he showed up on Oprah’s show. Oprah blessed him and the MSM carried the bag from there on.

Eitherway, Cheney doesn’t need to be bad mouthing Sarah… at all. It only serves to feed the leftist beast.

RalphyBoy on July 30, 2012 at 11:35 AM

So, WHY is Cheney making such outlandishly false statements? Because Cheney wants to damage Palin (and, apparently, Mitt Romney) – he (and most of the GOP establishment) STILL FEAR what PALIN represents. Cheney IS intelligent enough to understand that lying about Sarah Palin at this time hurts Romney the most – Romney needs Sarah and her supporters and Romney should publicly call Cheney out on this.

Pork-Chop on July 30, 2012 at 11:30 AM

Yup.

the_nile on July 30, 2012 at 11:36 AM

I am a huge Gov. Palin fan but I think the press accomplished their mission of ruining her career. The Mittwitts on this site almost talked me out of voting for him with their needless attacks on any who were not completely on board. I think in the world of politics it better to be smart than “right”. And when your guy needs the votes it is pretty stupid to insult those with the votes. Gov. Palin is not running for anything and doesn’t need the taxpayers or voters’ money, continually harping on her is a waste of time and garners only ill will. But it apparently is good fun.

Cindy Munford on July 30, 2012 at 11:31 AM

I don’t think her career has been ruined. Politically, I think it’s possible she could be successful running again in Alaska for something (to replace Young?), and otherwise her time out of office has been pretty good, with the books and TV stuff and the like.

I agree that it’s silly to continue to harp on her, but I also don’t think that is what Cheney was doing. He was just giving his opinion on the veep selection process and used Palin as an example. Not in the way some people would’ve liked, of course, but that’s just what he thought.

changer1701 on July 30, 2012 at 11:39 AM

Sarah was and still is more qualified than the punk in the WH, but the Commie Barack Butt Kissing MSM types (and David Letterman’s ilk) had a target rich persona in Palin. It was as easy for them to paint her negatively as it was for them to cover for Obama (and to put halos over his head)…

RalphyBoy on July 30, 2012 at 11:35 AM

Lesson learned – don’t pick a VP who looks too much like one of the SNL cast members…. ;)

dentarthurdent on July 30, 2012 at 11:39 AM

A few Hot Air readers seemed a little off-put by Dick Cheney’s contention yesterday that the choice of Sarah Palin for John McCain’s running mate was a “mistake.”

Cheney disses Sarah Palin on ‘This Week’; Media now fawns over Cheney

Even his own daughter rebuked him yesterday on Twitter

Left attacks Liz Cheney as insane, blood-drinking crackhead for defending Palin

Flora Duh on July 30, 2012 at 11:42 AM

I agree that it’s silly to continue to harp on her, but I also don’t think that is what Cheney was doing. He was just giving his opinion on the veep selection process and used Palin as an example. Not in the way some people would’ve liked, of course, but that’s just what he thought.

changer1701 on July 30, 2012 at 11:39 AM

You cant be that clueless.

He knew the effect of saying what he said.

the_nile on July 30, 2012 at 11:43 AM

I might add that conditions were not all that great at Normandy.

kenny on July 30, 2012 at 11:34 AM

See my 11:32 post.

Normandy had General Eisenhower doing the planning and making the decisions (and not FDR).
The failed Iran operation had Carter making the decisions (and meddling in the planning).
Nuff said – as they say.

dentarthurdent on July 30, 2012 at 11:44 AM

RalphyBoy on July 30, 2012 at 11:35 AM

Lesson learned – don’t pick a VP who looks too much like one of the SNL cast members…. ;)

dentarthurdent on July 30, 2012 at 11:39 AM

BTW – There are still people out there who attribute comments to Palin that were actually from Tina Fey’s SNL skits – things that Palin NEVER actually said.

dentarthurdent on July 30, 2012 at 11:46 AM

changer1701 on July 30, 2012 at 11:39 AM

I don’t know what he was/is doing. Politicians don’t do anything by accident. I just think is is interesting.

Cindy Munford on July 30, 2012 at 11:51 AM

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