Biden: Romney doesn’t “think public education is worth the investment”

posted at 11:21 am on July 30, 2012 by Erika Johnsen

Is it just me, or do certain Democrats seem to have difficulty distinguishing the difference between “education” and “teachers’ unions”? Anyone?

Speaking to the nation’s second-largest teachers’ union, Vice President Joe Biden accused Mitt Romney of awarding education with something less than priority-status. Oh, the humanity:

Biden addressed 2,500 delegates at the American Federation of Teachers national convention in Detroit on Sunday.

Biden painted Romney as planning to gut education funding to finance tax breaks for the wealthy.

From what Romney and his GOP rivals said during the primary debates, “it looks like they don’t think public education is worth the investment,” Biden said.

A spokesman for Romney’s campaign accused Biden — and President Barack Obama — of kowtowing to teachers unions. “Instead of putting students first, this administration has put the union bosses that fund their political campaigns ahead of what’s best for our children,” said spokesman Sean Fitzpatrick.

“Mitt Romney has the plan and record to put students first and make sure that they have a job waiting for them when they graduate,” Fitzpatrick said. …

Biden said Romney backs Republican budget plans to slash spending on the Head Start preschool program, as well as grants and loans for college students.

First of all, how is it that everything Republicans want to cut from the federal government is somehow meant to finance “tax breaks for the wealthy”? Isn’t Biden perhaps forgetting about — oh, I don’t know — our trillion dollar federal deficits? Higher taxes on the wealthy will barely make a dent in our national deficit. We need real, substantive, major spending cuts to the national budget to accomplish that, but President Obama & Friends are conveniently forgetting to mention how the federal government’s metastasized size and scope of recent years is what’s burning through all of our money. Apparently, Republicans’ desire to stop economically damaging tax hikes on the wealthy is to be blamed for educations cuts, defense cuts, and who knows what else.

Secondly, good for Mitt Romney for proposing federal cuts to public education — and I don’t think he goes nearly far enough. I’m with erstwhile presidential candidate Rick Perry on this one; if I had my way, the federal Department of Education would go the way of the dodo. Education is an institution best managed by the efficiencies of federalism. When states compete, students win. Monolithic, top-down education policy and the auspices of teachers’ unions — not so much, as evidenced by the our many “investments” resulting in the current state of our flailing public school system. And if college students are looking for someone to blame for the ridiculous inflation of higher-education tuition, look no further than the federal government interfering with incentives and flooding the market with relatively inexpensive student loans.

America’s education system needs a serious examination — and bankrupting ourselves by throwing more money at it, only to reinforce the terrible status quo, is not a solution, Mr. Vice President.


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Well. It isn’t; but I doubt Romney ever said that.

lorien1973 on July 30, 2012 at 11:23 AM

What public education?
Is that what they call an oxymoron?

JellyToast on July 30, 2012 at 11:24 AM

I wouldn’t mind paying for public ed if my ‘investment’ wasn’t totally wasted. If a businessman walked up to you and tried to get you in an ‘investment’ similar to this, nobody with an IQ greater than their body temperature would buy it.

MelonCollie on July 30, 2012 at 11:24 AM

I guess that’s why Utah kids are so behind…oh, wait…they’re at the top of the achievement scale.

RBMN on July 30, 2012 at 11:26 AM

I wonder, is plug’s speech writers as dumb as he is, or does he go off script all the time?

angrymike on July 30, 2012 at 11:27 AM

So Biden, a confirmed plagiarist, wants to lecture us about education?

maubman on July 30, 2012 at 11:27 AM

It’s not.

Time to get the government out of it.

darwin on July 30, 2012 at 11:27 AM

Biden just says stuff. He’s a clown.

Paul-Cincy on July 30, 2012 at 11:28 AM

Biden: Romney doesn’t “think public education is worth the investment”

…well, it really paid off for Biteme!
I think JugEars is tutoring Plugs on geography and math too!

KOOLAID2 on July 30, 2012 at 11:29 AM

The picture of Biden is in soft-focus, a la Streisand.

Heh.

exliberal on July 30, 2012 at 11:29 AM

I don’t think Romney gets enough credit for how he wants to expand school choice.

And? Biden’s a doofus. That is all.

changer1701 on July 30, 2012 at 11:30 AM

Romney doesn’t think that PUBLIC School employee UNIONS are worth the investment. Biden = Idiot.

Fleuries on July 30, 2012 at 11:30 AM

They should cut all federal funding to public school. School should be run strictly on a local basis. With funding staying in the communities where the schools exist. Not sent to Washington so the criminals there can take a cut first.

Kjeil on July 30, 2012 at 11:30 AM

If these people are so bright why are they holding their convention in a hellhole like Detroit?

Naturally Curly on July 30, 2012 at 11:31 AM

It’s not. Public school is one massive national failure. Homeschool and private school is where the future is, and we need to reform the tax structure (mainly at the state/local level) to reflect that shift.

Weight of Glory on July 30, 2012 at 11:32 AM

Maybe parents should check their kids out when they come home from school

You know, look for the union label.

coldwarrior on July 30, 2012 at 11:33 AM

Being a conservative American now is like being Gaslighted.
Everything is so beyond crazy.

vityas on July 30, 2012 at 11:33 AM

Hear hear Ericka

cmsinaz on July 30, 2012 at 11:33 AM

My niece went from public to private school last year. She went from being an A/B student to a C student while working twice as hard. I had the same experience nearly 20 years ago when I experienced the same change.

The money being dumped into public schools year after year has proven to be about as effective as the war on poverty.

tdpwells on July 30, 2012 at 11:33 AM

do certain Democrats seem to have difficulty distinguishing the difference between “education” and “teachers’ unions”?

What Mr. B is doing here, Erika, is falsely expanding the argument. That’s a fallacious method of argumentation and logic by which an individual expands the intent of their statement to a grander end, when, in actuality, they have a narrower meaning to it. I believe it is also known as equivocation fallacy:

“The fallacy of equivocation occurs particularly in arguments involving words that have a multiplicity of meanings, such as capitalism, government, regulation, inflation, depression, expansion, and progress. . . .

Thus, when:

Vice President Joe Biden accused Mitt Romney of awarding education with something less than priority-status.

He is seeking to paint Romney as “anti-education” and pander to his low-information base by tattooing Romney with that label.

ted c on July 30, 2012 at 11:36 AM

At one time public education was worth investing in. Now that it’s morphed into a NEA indoctrination organization…..not so much.

antipc on July 30, 2012 at 11:36 AM

A spokesman for Romney’s campaign accused Biden — and President Barack Obama — of kowtowing to teachers unions. “Instead of putting students first, this administration has put the union bosses that fund their political campaigns ahead of what’s best for our children,” said spokesman Sean Fitzpatrick.

There is a difference between funding education and ensuring the well being of the AFT which is largely a racist version of the NEA. Biden and his audience are concerned about job security and not education which involves actually caring about the students stuck in horrific public schools by these anti-education hacks who fight inititiatives like school vouchers, charter schools, and putting children ahead of paychecks and large administrative staff.

Happy Nomad on July 30, 2012 at 11:36 AM

Can anyone explain why we still have 50% drop-out rate in inner city schools? I think the education system needs more truant officers. Track down the parents and find out why they can’t get their kids to stay in school.

kooly on July 30, 2012 at 11:37 AM

Most of the public schools around here are nothing more than government feeding and babysitting centers. They open at 6am in order to feed everybody breakfast, they stay open late in the afternoon to feed them after school snacks. Many of the high schools now have classes running from 4pm to 8pm to try to get drop-outs to earn a GED.

There are a few very good public high schools that have maxed out enrollment but they are constant targets of “fairness initiatives” to make them as worthless as the ones left behind. It is beyond bizarre that our local HISD is pushing for a $2 billion bond package to rebuild schools when many of the current high schools have dropped from 5A to 3A levels of enrollment.

DanMan on July 30, 2012 at 11:37 AM

Teachers’ unions are vital to the future of public education. If there weren’t unions, who would Go to Bat for Teacher-Sexual Predators?

Drained Brain on July 30, 2012 at 11:37 AM

IIRC Biden went to elite private schools.

CorporatePiggy on July 30, 2012 at 11:38 AM

Biden: Romney doesn’t “think public education is worth the investment”

headline by Erika Johnsen

.
Wow, one more reason to vote for Romney !

listens2glenn on July 30, 2012 at 11:38 AM

Moochelle and Bloomy-troll are more concerned about what goes into kids’ mouths than what goes into their brains.

kooly on July 30, 2012 at 11:39 AM

Do we really want to examine the record of high school graduation rates in the city of Detroit….?
Do we really want to look at the cost per student, teacher pay and benefits versus the results?
Do we want to examine the behavior of some of the teachers union when somebody has tried to institute reform…?

I’m pretty sure Joe doesn’t want to go there.

NeoKong on July 30, 2012 at 11:39 AM

Obama doesn’t “think public education is worth the investment”

Obama – went to private schools

Obama’s kids – go to private schools

faraway on July 30, 2012 at 11:39 AM

Here is WI, Walker went after the union funding first. Now he’s going after the low expectations. WI DPI (Dept of Public Instruction) just recalibrated the state test (WKCE) and found that OOPS! Only 31% of students are reading at grade level, and just 48% are at grade level in math. WI is now 41st in the nation in educational growth over the last 10 years.

Walker’s education task force (which eventually included some union heads after Walker said they could sit at the table, or not, but the task force was moving forward) just released its findings. Go to walker.wi.gov, and click on “education” for the full report… but it basically says they’re revamping literacy, teacher accountability and school accountability; and the “goal” is no longer every child at grade level, but every child learning.

That removes the teacher complaint about being punished with “bad” students, and it opens the door for ALL kids to learn – even the smart ones who have been pushed into the hallway (literally!) because they’re too far ahead of the rest of the class.

Daisy_WI on July 30, 2012 at 11:39 AM

The money being dumped into public schools year after year has proven to be about as effective as the war on poverty.

tdpwells on July 30, 2012 at 11:33 AM

It’s not the amount of money it is how it is being spent. On a per capita basis every child should be getting a wonderful education but that is only till you realize just how much of it goes to paying salaries and benefits to a bunch of indifferent “educators” who spend more time campaigning for their labor union.

Put another way, teachers were among the most rabid of those who ransacked the WI statehouse and worked toward recalling Gov. Walker. They, of course, made the false claim that they were working on behalf of the children and not their greedy labor union. But we all know that union members and union leadership are nothing more than commies by a more respectful name.

Happy Nomad on July 30, 2012 at 11:40 AM

Biden and his fellow Dems think public education is the only ‘investment’. Obama eliminated the DC student-voucher program as one of his first acts, thereby condemning inner city children to the mercy of public education.

Uncle Joe also ignores that in probably every locality in the country, retired senior citizens still pay school taxes although they have no children or grandchildren in the system.

This is simple pandering to the teacher union vote. Or, at least those teachers who would vote Democrat anyway. As WI showed, when teachers got to opt out of the unions, they did so by half the total membership the union once enjoyed.

The thought of private- and home schooling scares Democrats. Biden needs to try forestalling the risk that, with a Republican Congress and white house, those long-advocated ideas will face a resurgence and maybe gain new popularity.

Liam on July 30, 2012 at 11:41 AM

What public education?
Is that what they call an oxymoron?

JellyToast on July 30, 2012 at 11:24 AM

.
What are you saying ?

That Public Education and ACTUAL education are mutually exclusive ?
.
Me too. : )

listens2glenn on July 30, 2012 at 11:42 AM

We are not nearly getting our money’s worth. So no, so far public education has not been worth the investment.
Let’s bring this up at every debate. thanks Joe.

Hummer53 on July 30, 2012 at 11:43 AM

Every time someone in “education” says, “It’s for the children” – ought to have their butts kicked into next Tuesday.

GarandFan on July 30, 2012 at 11:43 AM

My niece went from public to private school last year. She went from being an A/B student to a C student while working twice as hard. I had the same experience nearly 20 years ago when I experienced the same change.

The money being dumped into public schools year after year has proven to be about as effective as the war on poverty.

tdpwells on July 30, 2012 at 11:33 AM

It depends on the school system involved.

The East Baton Rouge Parish school system is a total failure, in part because of an entrenched bureaucracy which puts their needs above those of the kids.

The suburban BR school systems, however, tend to be some of the best within Louisiana because they get students, teachers, and tax dollars which are fleeing the abysmal EBR public schools.

A total overhaul of the EBR system, starting with unseating the Jabba The Hutt lookalike who controls personnel decisions, would go a long way toward reforming the schools here to the point where people no longer flee to the suburbs.

teke184 on July 30, 2012 at 11:44 AM

Biden’s father had been very well-off earlier in his life, but had suffered several business reverses by the time Biden was born,[10] and for several years the family had to live with Biden’s maternal grandparents, the Finnegans.[10] When the Scranton area went into economic decline during the 1950s, Biden’s father could not find enough work.[11] In 1953, the Biden family moved to an apartment in Claymont, Delaware, where they lived for a few years before moving to a house in Wilmington, Delaware.[10] Joe Biden Sr. then did better as a used car salesman, and the family’s circumstances were middle class.[10][11][12]

Biden attended the Archmere Academy in Claymont,[13] where he was a standout halfback/wide receiver on the high school football team; he helped lead a perennially losing team to an undefeated season in his senior year.[10][14] He played on the baseball team as well.[10] During these years, he participated in an anti-segregation sit-in at a Wilmington theatre.[15] Academically, Biden was undistinguished,[10] but he was a natural leader among the students.[16] He graduated in 1961.[13]

Biden attended the University of Delaware in Newark, where he was more interested in sports and socializing than in studying,[10] although his classmates were impressed by his cramming abilities.[15] He played halfback with the Blue Hens freshman football team,[14] but he dropped a junior year plan to play for the varsity team as a defensive back, enabling him to spend more time with his out-of-state girlfriend.[14][17] He double majored in history and political science and graduated with a Bachelor of Arts in 1965,[1] ranking 506th of 688 in his class.[18]

He went on to receive his Juris Doctor from Syracuse University’s College of Law in 1968,[19] where by his own description he found it to be “the biggest bore in the world” and pulled many all-nighters to get by.[15][20] During his first year there, he was accused of having plagiarized 5 of 15 pages of a law review article. Biden said it was inadvertent due to his not knowing the proper rules of citation, and he was permitted to retake the course after receiving a grade of F, which was subsequently dropped from his record.[20] He was admitted to the Delaware Bar in 1969.[19]

Looks like Joe didn’t think Public Education was worth the investment. From a prep school wanker to a law school plagiarist and failure, Joe didn’t think any education was worth much of an investment.

just got it from wiki fellas…..

ted c on July 30, 2012 at 11:45 AM

mister 27th percentile

ted c on July 30, 2012 at 11:46 AM

public school teachers are financed by the property taxes of the town or district they teach in… how do we get from that to cutting the federal budget making any difference to this? I don’t get it, unless there is a massive subsidy to the states for teachers salaries?

maineconservative on July 30, 2012 at 11:46 AM

First of all, how is it that everything Republicans want to cut from the federal government is somehow meant to finance “tax breaks for the wealthy”?

When all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

rockmom on July 30, 2012 at 11:47 AM

Free market system for education!

Why should I pay for other people’s kids to get educated. We should all be accountable for our own kids.

nazo311 on July 30, 2012 at 11:47 AM

It’s for the kids.

Ha ha ha. No really.

ConservativeLA on July 30, 2012 at 11:48 AM

Biden addressed 2,500 delegates at the American Federation of Teachers national convention in Detroit on Sunday.

That sentence alone tells us all we really needed to know about Biden’s comments.

Bitter Clinger on July 30, 2012 at 11:48 AM

Biden’s and the Dem’s first call to arms in an election year is always the teachers.

References to poor deprived police and firefighters to follow soon.

Difficultas_Est_Imperium on July 30, 2012 at 11:50 AM

If these people are so bright why are they holding their convention in a hellhole like Detroit?

Naturally Curly on July 30, 2012 at 11:31 AM

C’mon. Detroit is the perfect place for them to hold their convention.

trigon on July 30, 2012 at 11:51 AM

So Biden, a confirmed plagiarist, wants to lecture us about education?

maubman on July 30, 2012 at 11:27 AM

…it’s funny how we still hear about patatoe patato but NOT A WORD about that!

KOOLAID2 on July 30, 2012 at 11:52 AM

This is the guy that said JOBS is a 3 letter word right?

Let’s take a gander at HIS TAX RETURNS to see how little rich liberals give to charity.

Wagthatdog on July 30, 2012 at 11:53 AM

Vice President Joe Biden takes questions from a fourth grade class at the Goode Elementary School in York, Pa., Tuesday, Oct. 18, 2011, during a stop to highlight the American Jobs Act.

Who knew it was that easy?

So let’s see if I follow the vice president’s thinking:

The school laid off these teachers because “there’s no money for them in the city.” That’s true. York City School District is broke. It has a $14 million budget deficit.

So instead Washington, D.C., is going to “give you some money” to hire these teachers back.

So, unlike York, Pennsylvania, presumably Washington, D.C., has “money for them”?

No, not technically. Washington, D.C., is also broke – way broker than York City School District. In fact, the government of the United States is broker than any entity has ever been in the history of the planet. Officially, Washington has to return 15,000,000,000,000 dollars just to get back to having nothing at all. And that 15,000,000,000,000 dollars is a very lowball figure that conveniently ignores another $100 trillion in unfunded liabilities that the government, unlike private businesses, is able to keep off the books.

So how come the Brokest Jurisdiction in History is able to “give you some money” to hire back those teachers that had to be laid off?

No problem, says the vice president. We’re going to “ask” people who have “a lot of money” to “pay just a little bit more” in taxes.

ted c on July 30, 2012 at 11:53 AM

Oh nos, the chilens be sacrificed again. Oh nos.

baseballguy on July 30, 2012 at 11:54 AM

Slow Joe seems to think that the fact that something might be a good idea is all the more reason to waste money on it and appoint academics to regulate it.

Why is he angry at Mitt? Mitt didn’t build it. Mitt only cares about it because business needs educated citizens to employ. He doesn’t appreciate how much more valuable they are as union members.

flataffect on July 30, 2012 at 11:54 AM


I guess that’s why Utah kids are so behind…oh, wait…they’re at the top of the achievement scale.

What an odd thing to say. Was Romney ever governor of Utah?

casuist on July 30, 2012 at 11:54 AM

Apparently, Joe Biden’s father and mother didn’t think “Public education was worth the investment” either….

what say you, Mr. VP?

ted c on July 30, 2012 at 11:54 AM

Well for one, bozo biden, cut funding to the NEA. Do not assign any additional charters to other Gov entities to carry its load (I mean burden to the taxpayers). Just cut it and all policies & programs entirely. Wait a year then build the replacement without all the waste, fraud and specialty rights groups agendas.

jake49 on July 30, 2012 at 11:55 AM

You didn’t build that “education”, Joe….

ted c on July 30, 2012 at 11:55 AM

There is no such thing as government investment. Government
either directly or indirectly raises taxes to spend.

lilium479 on July 30, 2012 at 11:57 AM


That sentence alone tells us all we really needed to know about Biden’s comments.

Jup. Not too worried about public employee unions post-Walker, and now that entire cities in e.g. CA are passing into receivership where jurists are put in the position of rewriting union contracts.

casuist on July 30, 2012 at 11:57 AM

how do we get from that to cutting the federal budget making any difference to this? I don’t get it, unless there is a massive subsidy to the states for teachers salaries?

maineconservative on July 30, 2012 at 11:46 AM

Where do you think some of that stimulus money went? The feds were funding teachers (i.e. union members) under the premise that the local government needed assistance until the Obama recovery kicked in or something. Also there are massive programs funded by the feds so that the local/state education departments can spend more on payroll.

Bottom line, the Dept. of Education is nothing more than a conduit for sending federal funding to the states. Those that work within this department merely track the funding without making one contribution to the education of our children.

Happy Nomad on July 30, 2012 at 11:59 AM

When all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

rockmom on July 30, 2012 at 11:47 AM

I must have a wrench, then, because everything on the left looks like a nut.

kbTexan on July 30, 2012 at 12:00 PM


Why is he angry at Mitt? Mitt didn’t build it.

No, but he doesn’t want to fund it, or so says Joe. The problem for me is that I think Slow Joe is wrong. Romney already reversed himself on the issue of student loans in favour of Obama’s position and in the very teeth of House GOP opposition.

casuist on July 30, 2012 at 12:00 PM

“it looks like they don’t think public education is worth the investment,”

It isn’t. We get far less return on our investments than private education.

Esthier on July 30, 2012 at 12:02 PM

Romney doesn’t think KNOWS that PUBLIC School employee UNIONS are NOT worth the investment.

Biden = Idiot.

I agree with both sentiments, and Biden is creme de la creme of all idiots.

hawkeye54 on July 30, 2012 at 12:04 PM

Free market system for education!

Why should I pay for other people’s kids to get educated. We should all be accountable for our own kids.

nazo311 on July 30, 2012 at 11:47 AM

The ONLY reason I’m for public education is to cut down on the amount of young people who grow up with no education at all, and usually turn to crime.

But when so many ‘students’ actively refuse the free education they’re so generously given…really, what more can we do?

MelonCollie on July 30, 2012 at 12:06 PM

This is my view, not Romney’s.
Public education is like public unions, we just lavish a lot of money on them without being that concerned with what they’re producing. Education could be effective if people think about what they’re doing, and do everything with one goal: educate the kids. Well, with two goals, another being to keep costs low. Public involvement needs to be limited for education to work effectively / efficiently. Dysfunction public education is an unmitigated waste of resources. Time to rethink that after 150 years of treating public education as a panacea. Public education is not the cure, it’s the cause.

anotherJoe on July 30, 2012 at 12:06 PM

Not really a controversial position. I don’t think public education is worth the investment, either. I’d like to see all public schools eliminated.

Dante on July 30, 2012 at 12:09 PM

Just had an idea to motivate lazy students in public schools: if your report card looks like a Sesame Street episode on the letters D and F, you have to do community service.

MelonCollie on July 30, 2012 at 12:10 PM

Apparently, Joe Biden’s father and mother didn’t think “Public education was worth the investment” either….

what say you, Mr. VP?

ted c on July 30, 2012 at 11:54 AM

Joe sent his son Beau to the same private school he went to.

Del Dolemonte on July 30, 2012 at 12:11 PM

Biden said Romney backs Republican budget plans to slash spending on the Head Start preschool program, as well as grants and loans for college students.

I remember Obama doing something with Head Start early on. Maybe using Stimulus or Porkulus to dramatically expand Head Start? Something about state visits to low income households and trying to force everyone to put their pre-school child in HS??? Going to look for link now…

txhsmom on July 30, 2012 at 12:13 PM

If the education system is turning out idiot like SloJoe, the answer is yes. it is not worth the investment.

bayview on July 30, 2012 at 12:14 PM

Yep. Just like I thought. Going back to pre-Insane Hussein levels of spending is “slashing spending” to Biden. Democrats expanded Head Start dramatically. From the link…

The fiscal year 2009 appropriation provides $7.1 billion in funding for both Head Start and Early Head Start programs, a $234 million increase over the fiscal year 2008 appropriation.

But it’s more complicated than that. Head Start funds are allocated to a variety of purposes and activities—including cost of living allowances for Head Start staff,

nearly $326 million will be available to provide nearly five percent cost of living increase for Head Start programs and staff—substantially larger than the increases in recent years

Did you receive a 5% raise in 2009?

txhsmom on July 30, 2012 at 12:25 PM

It isn’t that they don’t understand the difference, Erika. It is that they hope YOU don’t understand the difference. Of course they know that teachers’ unions don’t cause teaching to happen. But it’s all about money and power, and “the children” is the clarion cry of the Left to bring in the money.

There are two sets of ideals at work here for the Left. The first is the Marxist ideal that who controls words controls people. When the Left is responsible for the “education” of the children, then those children grow up to be good comrades of the State. The second is the suckering of the sympathetic moron. When you wail like a horrified Muslim woman at an Israeli counter-attack that the children will suffer if they don’t get their money, or their man elected, or their bill passed, they know that a certain contingent of citizens are going to fall in line and brainlessly help them.

Sheriff Joe is stupid in many, many ways, but this isn’t one of them. This, he’s always been good at.

Freelancer on July 30, 2012 at 12:28 PM

The Cartel

Lost in Jersey on July 30, 2012 at 12:31 PM

how do we get from that to cutting the federal budget making any difference to this? I don’t get it, unless there is a massive subsidy to the states for teachers salaries?

maineconservative on July 30, 2012 at 11:46 AM

Where do you think some of that stimulus money went? The feds were funding teachers (i.e. union members) under the premise that the local government needed assistance until the Obama recovery kicked in or something. Also there are massive programs funded by the feds so that the local/state education departments can spend more on payroll.

Bottom line, the Dept. of Education is nothing more than a conduit for sending federal funding to the states. Those that work within this department merely track the funding without making one contribution to the education of our children.

Happy Nomad on July 30, 2012 at 11:59 AM

I was wondering the same thing as maineconservative. My parents moved to our little blue-collar town in Michigan because the voters always approved the local taxes to finance the school system so it was better than others in the surrounding area. So I was trying to figure out how the Feds fit into that.

Thanks for the explanation Happy Nomad. I forgot about the Feds saving teachers and fire fighters.

HawaiiLwyr on July 30, 2012 at 12:33 PM

Do we really want to examine the record of high school graduation rates in the city of Detroit….?
Do we really want to look at the cost per student, teacher pay and benefits versus the results?
Do we want to examine the behavior of some of the teachers union when somebody has tried to institute reform…?

I’m pretty sure Joe doesn’t want to go there.

NeoKong on July 30, 2012 at 11:39 AM

And do they really want to discuss how teacher’s unions respond when a teacher is found guilty of raping or abusing student(s)?

(Hint – It ain’t on the side of the student.)

TugboatPhil on July 30, 2012 at 12:33 PM

If publik skuuls are so great, why didn’t Biden, Obama and their kids attend them?

bw222 on July 30, 2012 at 12:36 PM

The ONLY reason I’m for public education is to cut down on the amount of young people who grow up with no education at all, and usually turn to crime.

MelonCollie on July 30, 2012 at 12:06 PM

So school gives them a place to meet up. Wish I believed it did anything to prevent what you’re describing, but I just don’t.

If anything, maybe they’d get real jobs if they didn’t have to go to school instead of trying to making a lot of cash in a short period of time.

Esthier on July 30, 2012 at 12:37 PM

Amazing how these Democrats just lie, lie, lie, and think nothing of it.

It’s not a party issue folks. If you’re party is a bunch of lying unethical snakes in the grass, it’s an American way of life issue.

And you should vote them out.

KMC1 on July 30, 2012 at 12:38 PM

Can anyone explain why we still have 50% drop-out rate in inner city schools? I think the education system needs more truant officers. Track down the parents and find out why they can’t get their kids to stay in school.

kooly on July 30, 2012 at 11:37 AM

In Detroit only about 25% of public school students graduate. 15 years ago I had a friend whose mother taught third grade in Detroit. She said only two or three parents would attend parent conferences. We are in the fourth generation of the post-Great Society welfare world.

bw222 on July 30, 2012 at 12:42 PM

“it looks like they don’t think public education is worth the investment,”

Good, because it isn’t. We’re paying far too much, and getting far too little in return.

Just ask anyone going to a inner city school.

Or is it that the Democrats just don’t care about the poor?

Greg Q on July 30, 2012 at 12:51 PM

Given all this, no investment in education is worth a penny – there simply are no returns on the investment.

Schadenfreude on July 30, 2012 at 12:53 PM

Can anyone explain why we still have 50% drop-out rate in inner city schools? I think the education system needs more truant officers. Track down the parents and find out why they can’t get their kids to stay in school.

kooly on July 30, 2012 at 11:37 AM

Ask LBJ… he started it with the Great Society…

That, coupled with MASSIVE welfare payments…

That, coupled with unions like NEA and CTA (in California) that are more concerned with member job safety than performance based education process…

That, coupled with at 72.5% illegitimacy rate in the Black community…

You need to track down the MOTHERS… the state is the surrogate father now… and THAT IS SAD…

Khun Joe on July 30, 2012 at 1:01 PM

Joe bidden is my go to expert on all things education.

tom daschle concerned on July 30, 2012 at 1:02 PM

Joe Biden is a perfect example of its failure.

Gunlock Bill on July 30, 2012 at 1:05 PM

“THEY DON’T GET US!!!!!1111!!!”
~V.P. Joe Biden

Oh, we get you Joe…we “Get” you just fine you “corrupt, pandering, lying plagiarizing, Union thug!”

Strike Hornet on July 30, 2012 at 1:23 PM

A spokesman for Romney’s campaign accused Biden — and President Barack Obama — of kowtowing to teachers unions. “Instead of putting students first, this administration has put the union bosses that fund their political campaigns ahead of what’s best for our children,” said spokesman Sean Fitzpatrick.

Excellent, and accurate, statement.

Unfortunately, the people who need to hear it have their heads so far up the sphincters of 0bama and Biden that they won’t get the message.

UltimateBob on July 30, 2012 at 2:01 PM

Please, Please let this idiot do more and more interviews, speeches and public appearances. At least the Obumbler will be able to blame his loss on the Old White guy.

Tbone McGraw on July 30, 2012 at 2:05 PM

Public education in its present form is NOT worth the investment. With it being mandated via common core standards, mandated as to the food kids are allowed to eat, no authentic local control on curriculum (because it has to match the national curriculum that is coming), it’s a system that needs dismantling.

This is the last nail in the coffin as far as I’m concerned:

President Barack Obama is backing a controversial campaign by progressives to regulate schools’ disciplinary actions so that members of major racial and ethnic groups are penalized at equal rates, regardless of individuals’ behavior.

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/07/27/obama-backs-race-based-school-discipline-policies/#ixzz228BKJhYF

manateespirit on July 30, 2012 at 2:07 PM

Joe Biden is a perfect example of its failure.

Gunlock Bill on July 30, 2012 at 1:05 PM

Actually Biden attended Catholic school and Syracuse, a private university.

bw222 on July 30, 2012 at 2:11 PM

interesting article that just hit the headline page on HA

http://articles.philly.com/2012-07-29/news/32924357_1_erasure-patterns-education-ronald-tomalis-pssa-results

…and the walls come tumbling down…

teejk on July 30, 2012 at 3:00 PM

although it looks like this thread has gone to the bone-yard, here’s something for the insomniacs…

http://www.thepelicanpost.org/2012/07/26/louisiana-teachers-union-threatens-voucher-schools-with-litigation/?utm_source=UnionLetter&utm_campaign=TeenUnemployment&utm_medium=email

teejk on July 30, 2012 at 4:50 PM

Slow Joe’s investment is more taxes for some bureaucrat or union hack to piss away (for the kids). Public education is the lowest common denominator. Vouvhers = competition, choice and innovation. God fobid the central planners give people some choice.

StevC on July 30, 2012 at 7:26 PM