Arms-trade treaty talks collapse, supporters rip Obama
posted at 10:01 am on July 28, 2012 by Ed Morrissey
I doubt anyone reading Hot Air will mind this, but it looks like the UN won’t get a chance to dictate terms of the Second Amendment any time soon. Yesterday evening, talks on an international arms-trade treaty collapsed when the US and a few other nations demanded an extension of time before committing to a position. The rest of the participants suspended the entire effort — and activists pointed their fingers at Barack Obama:
The United Nations indefinitely suspended action on an international arms trade treaty Friday after the United States and several other countries asked for more time.
The decision sparked angry reactions from human rights groups often allied with the Obama administration, who believed a treaty to regulate the export of deadly weapons to rogue regimes was within reach. The UN had spent the entire month of July hammering out a deal, and Friday was the deadline for an agreement on a treaty that has met with the staunch opposition of the National Rifle Association and bipartisan concerns in the Senate.
“This was stunning cowardice by the Obama administration, which at the last minute did an about-face and scuttled progress toward a global arms treaty, just as it reached the finish line,” said Suzanne Nossel, the executive director of Amnesty International USA. “It’s a staggering abdication of leadership by the world’s largest exporter of conventional weapons to pull the plug on the talks just as they were nearing an historic breakthrough that would have required all nations to deny arms export licenses where there was an overriding risk that the weapons would be used to facilitate serious crimes against humanity.”
And Scott Stedjan, Oxfam America’s senior policy advisor, called the failure “a tremendous loss for thousands of innocent civilians around the globe who die each year from armed violence fueled by the unregulated transfer of arms.”
It wasn’t just a few activist groups that vented their frustrations, either. A statement put forward by the UK, France, Germany, and 87 other nations complained that the draft treaty was all but ready to be adopted. Without naming Obama, the nations pointed out their own “compromises” and had “overwhelming support of the international community” before the US demanded more time to consider it.
Frankly, Obama didn’t have much choice. A majority of 51 Senators had already signed a letter promising to vote against ratification if the treaty covered “small arms” and/or “light weapons,” which the draft treaty does — in fact, it explicitly includes “small arms and light weapons” in Article 2, Section A1h. Obama could have signed this draft a hundred times, and it still would have had no chance of passing in its current form. Had the UN struck that provision, this treaty might have won the required 67 votes for approval in the Senate, and it still would have been a big step forward in arms control … at least on paper.
The problems with this treaty mirror those of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation treaty: it sets up a UN agency that has no teeth, where enforcement ends up being a game between the West on one side and Russia and China on the other. Meanwhile, North Korea has already gone nuclear, and Iran isn’t too far away, while Russia and China protect their client states and the West vainly tries to enforce the agreement. This would have put the US in the same position, only this treaty would have the force of law inside the US, which would mean we would bind ourselves to its terms while the rest of the world’s kleptocrats and tyrants would ignore it.
For now, though, it’s a moot point. Obama will end up taking the blame for this “failure,” which might seem unfair — but Obama chose to participate in this folly in 2009 after the US had previously refused, so he only has himself to blame for the impossible position in which he now finds himself. That’s called smart power, apparently.
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O’bama actually lost the college graduate vote in 2012.
Del Dolemonte on May 18, 2013 at 4:43 PM
Fixed.
Del Dolemonte on May 18, 2013 at 4:44 PM
You’re not being mocked (and not asked to die, btw) because you don’t know what skeet shooting is. You’re being mocked because you didn’t know what skeet shooting is and proceeded to make an ass of yourself anyway.
IOW, you are proud of your ignorance.
Tomblvd on May 18, 2013 at 4:46 PM
You sure posted like you knew, Cliff Clavin.
If your mother had of taken it on the chin that night you wouldn’t be here to torture us with your silliness.
arnold ziffel on May 18, 2013 at 5:13 PM
Nonpartisan, it’s obvious that you often don’t know what you’re talking about.
What confuses us is why you make claims as if you did.
That tells us that you really are never sure about what you do and don’t know. Your inexperience is glaring.
blink on May 18, 2013 at 5:24 PM
Nonpartisan’s last post was at 9:10 this morning until “it” posted again at 4:23, and yet “it” was responded to all day.
Come on people, giving her too much attention.
Barred on May 18, 2013 at 5:27 PM
really? REALLY?
cuz I wrote this
now, if you’re familiar with English context, you’d realize that the phrase ‘from my understanding’ leaves room for the speaker to be wrong and is explicitly stating that it is not a fact
nonpartisan on May 18, 2013 at 5:28 PM
Me no familar mit de Englis. Butt could you tell me Harvard story more again?
arnold ziffel on May 18, 2013 at 5:44 PM
I’m pretty sure that most skeet shooters are in a enviable economic bracket.
Cindy Munford on May 18, 2013 at 5:48 PM
there’s no story. Went to Harvard Law, got my JD, didn’t take the bar, never practiced. end of story.
nonpartisan on May 18, 2013 at 5:49 PM
Yes, because only a “bumblehick” could have cursory knowledge of firearms or shooting sports.
Maybe you should stop listening to the mentally-edfective old fool Obunghole picked as his VP and STFU about things you know nothing about. Imbecile.
Walter Sobchak on May 18, 2013 at 6:01 PM
Please go read the Texas law. My goodness you’re dense.
Google doesn’t even know what the f uck you’re saying . Do you?
Using such words does not excuse you from your idiocy.
CW on May 18, 2013 at 6:02 PM
You never took the bar because you don’t know sh!t about the law and never could have passed, and you never practiced because nobody would hire you to represent them in traffic court.
Walter Sobchak on May 18, 2013 at 6:03 PM
Harvard politely asks that you cease and desist with your lie. Something about sullying their brand.
CW on May 18, 2013 at 6:05 PM
A. Why did you waste your parents’ money on a Harvard Law degree if you weren’t going to take the bar or practice law?
B. You don’t even understand simple legal concepts like the parameters of self-defense. Nobody believes your story about being a law grad from *any* school, T14 or not.
Good Solid B-Plus on May 18, 2013 at 6:05 PM
High school is in doubt.
CW on May 18, 2013 at 6:07 PM
In unrelated news: White House posts photographic evidence that Obama is a bumblehick.
The Schaef on May 18, 2013 at 6:13 PM
If you had even the remotest notion of your own stupidity, you’d die of embarrassment.
Wendya on May 18, 2013 at 6:14 PM
What it demonstrates is that you don’t know what you are talking about and, more importantly, too lazy to spend a minute or two on google to educate yourself before making an ass of yourself.
I also find it highly enlightening that the only response you have to any post is one that has nothing to do with your alleged specialty, law.
Why are you afraid to answer all the legal questions?
Tomblvd on May 18, 2013 at 6:18 PM
Unicorn? Homosexual? Man? Black man?
CW on May 18, 2013 at 6:19 PM
That was a twofer. nonpartisaned is the gift that keeps on giving.
CW on May 18, 2013 at 6:21 PM
Having nonpartisan answer legal questions would be as funny as bayam commenting on economic and finance issues.
blink on May 18, 2013 at 6:23 PM
And ANY type of scientific issues.
blink on May 18, 2013 at 6:24 PM
My comment really wasn’t to nonpartisan.
My comment was really a warning to anyone that is tempted to comment on something that they don’t understand.
blink on May 18, 2013 at 6:26 PM
why does everyone feed the troll ……
yeah I made a comment too … but enough is enough ….
we should ignore it … maybe it will go away …
at the very least the level of comments will go up.
conservative tarheel on May 18, 2013 at 6:27 PM
CW on May 18, 2013 at 6:28 PM
1 perp was wounded, the other two got away.
Too bad it wasn’t a 3 body bag night.
The best way to lower the crime rate is exterminate those committing the crimes.
leereyno on May 18, 2013 at 6:29 PM
Guilty as charged. Asking a lot there mr. tarheel. You want quantity or quality? ;)
arnold ziffel on May 18, 2013 at 6:42 PM
While we are on the subject of guns did you know Bill Maher owns two?
Wigglesworth on May 18, 2013 at 6:44 PM
nonpartisan,
Never took the bar? Oh Lordy, did you break your mama’s heart? I can’t imagine investing all the time and money and not taking the bar. Even if you had become disillusioned with law and decided never to practice, didn’t you want the satisfaction of knowing you could have?
Or maybe your ego is healthier than most and doesn’t need that kind of validation. I just find it astonishing!
Nana on May 18, 2013 at 6:45 PM
I find it astonishing that the Troll can spell “law”.
kingsjester on May 18, 2013 at 6:46 PM
Mahrer: “Twelve home invasions in my neighborhood in the past year.” Really Bill, Is your neighborhood all of Los Angeles County?
arnold ziffel on May 18, 2013 at 6:49 PM
I will take quality … however the owners of the blog probably want quantity
because of ad revenue ….
conservative tarheel on May 18, 2013 at 6:50 PM
LOL
conservative tarheel on May 18, 2013 at 6:51 PM
Irrelevant. They already had shown that they were armed. This no longer becomes “burglary” as you quaintly put it. This just ONE of the crimes they committed.
They were armed. They threatened. The homeowner believed that the home invaders (not just burglars) had means and were a clear and present danger. Justified in any reasonable person’s mind.
But then, Liberals aren’t reasonable. We know that based on the past few years as we’ve attempted to engage them. They spout, insult and run away.
ProfShadow on May 18, 2013 at 7:02 PM
Hey guys, be nice! You are arguing with Obambutt’s replacement for Holder as the next AG. He/she/it is perfectly qualified for the position, based on the qualifications of Obambutt and HOLDER. NP has the same qualifications as Obambutt. NP would probably be a great improvement.
Old Country Boy on May 18, 2013 at 7:06 PM
You’re sorry you’re not a small town in Pennsylvania?
http://www.ejpix.com/photos/location-details.php?location_id=13918862&location=bumblehick-pennsylvania&lat=40.98734&long=-75.13883
OK, fair enough. I’ve always been sort of put out that I’m not Cape Canaveral, FL.
clear ether
eon
eon on May 18, 2013 at 8:10 PM
Are you incapable of understanding the hypothetical that I posed or do you think changing the subject will absolve you of your ignorance?
Read my hypothetical again, idjit.
Resist We Much on May 18, 2013 at 8:34 PM
I’m sorry to feed the troll, but I got here late. Must I suffer because I’m old?
You spent a hundred thousand dollars for nothing? Are you one of the “top one-percent”? Or did you “borrow” the money? If so, are you planning on trying to pay it back?
I doubt it. You sound like the classic lib, who is taught that the world will rape you and only GovernmentMan can save you.
I have the feeling you get your learned helplessness from hippy parents.
Or maybe just cold, unfeeling parents. I don’t know which, but a healthy dose of testosterone would do you wonders. Call and see if Obamacare will cover any problems men have (assuming that word applies to you.)
Squiggy on May 18, 2013 at 8:35 PM
OK folkz stand back, I’ve had a stiff martini and am preparing another…I believe I am Nonpartisan’s intellectual equal, let me at him/her/it…..
JFKY on May 18, 2013 at 8:52 PM
It would be interesting to know what Nonpartisan’s undergraduate degree was. Womyn’s studies? Black Studies? Organizing fluff? Of course, like that of her mentor and hero Obambutt, it is not really any of our business. We already know that Nonpartisan is more qualified than Obamabutt and Holder.
Old Country Boy on May 18, 2013 at 9:04 PM
What was going on in your mind when you thought that a gun, an inanimate object, could distinguish whether one was shooting skeet or something else? Serious question.
anuts on May 18, 2013 at 9:06 PM
CW on May 18, 2013 at 9:24 PM
I attended Harvard, passed all the classes but did not get my degree…and the Harvard Definition of “Bumblehick” is:
A Mouf-breathin’, sister-lovin’ Gun-fondlin’ Christianist G*D-bag….
Now most of you hayseed hickz haven’t been to Harvard so it’s understandable that our hi-falutin’ language may be a bit puzzling. It’s just best you leave the hard thin’in to us Harvard boyz/girlz, ‘Kay?
JFKY on May 18, 2013 at 9:32 PM
You need to bang your head repeatedly against a brick wall to be his intellectual equal.
Kingfisher on May 18, 2013 at 9:34 PM
Well said, sir. I wonder how many children he could have fed with the money that was used to get his education…that…he…admits…he’ll…never…use.
Kingfisher on May 18, 2013 at 9:38 PM
My guess is that nonpartisan obtained his/her/its degrees by sleeping with the professors.
Kingfisher on May 18, 2013 at 9:40 PM
Why we even need a castle doctrine law is beyond me. Proof we have sunk far into the abyss.
JellyToast on May 18, 2013 at 9:42 PM
Dood/Doodette that’s what the ~150cc of Vodka was supposed to do….
I don’t know what Vermouth does to a person but I can attest to 147cc of Vodka.
JFKY on May 18, 2013 at 9:50 PM
Really drunken sinner that I am, I still see the need for society to provide legal limits to the use of force by citizens, or agents of the State, for that matter.
Sure locked in my closet I can use a firearm, but not locked in my closet, someone around my garage, may I shoot..chasing them down the street?
Legal doctrines are good, they provide guidelines for action.
JFKY on May 18, 2013 at 9:52 PM
That would be the very moment that I feel either I or someone on my my property (family, friends, guests, whatever) is threatened.
Othniel on May 19, 2013 at 12:02 AM
.
That is sooo reminiscent of the sorry-assed song lyrics at the beginning of the movie ‘Aladdin‘.
.
If a desperate “father who is unemployed and at his wits end at finding options to provide for his starving family” … can’t find valid handouts in this country, he’s not looking hard enough.
If a desperate “father who is unemployed and at his wits end at finding options to provide for his starving family” … is too proud to ask for valid handouts, … and NOT too proud to steal … then he’s unworthy of his family, and his own very existence.
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Let’s have a reply to that … libfree’
listens2glenn on May 19, 2013 at 12:39 AM
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…… Or nonpartisan, or any other “lib-troll” who believes they’re equal to the intellectual challenge.
listens2glenn on May 19, 2013 at 12:46 AM
This is the funniest story I read all week!
By the way trolls, keep it up with the stupid comments … hilarious!
I love the one about how a man, with children no less, needs to burglarize a house using a gun. Brilliant!
Has it ever occur to them that burglars that carry guns are armed robbers by definition?
Perhaps the burglars should take classes at Harvard to learn how to be a dumber class of
criminals“desperate men with families to feed”?kregg on May 19, 2013 at 6:42 AM
it doesn’t state who fired first though, if the homeowner fired first, the burglar could technically claim self-defense for return fire.
nonpartisan on May 18, 2013 at 8:52 AM
Check this out, BC. If an armed person is in your home and you are both wielding some fire arm, there is no requirement to allow them, first shot. There are no Marquess of Queensberry rules that apply to gunfire exchanges. More often than not, he or she who fires first, wins.
I do not believe you went to any law school, let alone Harvard Law. As someone above stated, it just doesn’t make sense to spend that kind if money and then abandon the career.
smoothsailing on May 19, 2013 at 7:04 AM
Well Cindy, we learned a new word today. “Bumblehicks” = Landed European Aristocracy.
Huh …?
Jaibones on May 19, 2013 at 7:07 AM
soundingboard on May 19, 2013 at 10:02 AM
Is that you, Barak?
No wonder you don’t know what’s going on in your own administration …spending too much time on HotAir…
Of course, that is irrelevant…
ProfShadow on May 19, 2013 at 12:31 PM
there, fixed it….
May 19, 2013 12:00 PM Central Time….
APACHEWHOKNOWS on May 19, 2013 at 1:01 PM
nonparts gets paid for derailing threads, it gets same pay as the lawn illegals at the big homes of the google bosses….
and it votes as told too
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The War Planner on May 19, 2013 at 2:44 PM
The invaders had already committed assault by this time. Battery is physical contact, assault is the threat of violence. The homeowner, threatened at gunpoint, forced into a closet… had already been assaulted, even if they didn’t physically touch or fire at him. Being assaulted, in his home, by invaders, qualifies for lethal resistance.
And if your assertion was viable, law enforcement would be rendered completely incapable of responding to any form of robbery or violence since the criminals could always claim assault by officers responding with force or even capturing them. The burden of the law starts with those instigating the conflict, assuming that the responders do not respond with a wildly different level of response. Since these invaders had firearms, firearms would be an appropriate level of response.
Do you know what you just taught me on this thread?
…that a single “101 Introduction to Law” class taken by a Computer Science major at a public college in Ohio is more valuable than a law degree from Harvard. Thank you… You made my day!
dominigan on May 19, 2013 at 6:28 PM
No kidding. When I think of “Sheet Shooting” I think of this:
FANCY!
I don’t think of this:
BUMBLEHICK!
Oh… Wait…
wearyman on May 20, 2013 at 10:07 AM
Why do so many of these stories always have to come via a UK source?
Why are US newspaper circulation and revenue cratering?
hawksruleva on May 20, 2013 at 11:28 AM
So this guy came out of the closet AND he is a gun owner too?
flstc on May 20, 2013 at 1:19 PM
They deserve the fruits of their actions. They entered someone’s home with deadly weapons. Everything that family holds dear was at risk. If the burglars died, they deserved it. If more burglars die, fewer will choose home invasion. Let a few scum provide examples that choosing to be scum has dire consequences.
Freelancer on May 21, 2013 at 11:13 AM
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