Quotes of the day

posted at 10:41 pm on July 27, 2012 by Allahpundit

President Barack Obama called for a discussion in the wake of the 2011 Tucson shootings and again on Wednesday following the Colorado movie theater rampage. But Mr. Carney did not offer any specifics about his plans for pursuing the matter…

White House officials have said they have no plans to get behind gun-control legislation, citing the difficult politics of the subject.

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Obama is no stranger to dipping deep into the murky waters of executive powers and finding ways to achieve policy goals that Congress has thwarted. Proponents of gun control say that the president has crystal clear and uncontested powers—some used by an NRA card-carrying GOP president (Bush resigned from the group in 1995)—to deal with assault weapons.

Yet the White House remains stonily silent on Obama’s intentions even to reevaluate whether to exercise these powers. In the Big Easy, he made it sound as if gun control is always hard. It most definitely can be. But there are actions Obama can easily take, and what’s hard for Democrats and gun-control advocates to figure out is why he won’t.

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[T]he vast majority of voters who dislike gun control have so many other reasons to oppose Obama that they are unlikely to switch just because he holsters this one issue. Congressional Democrats face the same dynamic. One reason Democrats abandoned gun control is because they concluded that it bled them rural- and blue-collar seats during the 1994 GOP landslide. But after slowly recapturing some of those seats, Democrats saw almost all of them wash away again in a 2010 GOP torrent swelled not by guns but the broader recoil from Obama’s activism.

If there is a road back to a Democratic congressional majority, it almost certainly will not run through such downscale districts; rather, it will go through the leafy suburban seats where gun control retains more backing. Likewise, if Obama survives in November, it will largely be because he maintained support among minorities and upscale women—not because he recaptured the blue-collar whites stampeding away from him.

Gun control is a high-risk issue because half of the electorate passionately opposes it. Yet it is the half that Democrats have little chance of reaching. Since Clinton’s era, almost all Republicans, even those from upscale places still open to restrictions, have bowed to the majority position on guns among their core supporters. However, on gun control, almost uniquely for a social issue, the president and most congressional Democrats have elevated the priorities of voters outside of their coalition over the preferences of those within it. In politics, as in combat, it isn’t much of a fight when one side unilaterally disarms.

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The assault-weapons ban in place from 1994 to 2004, however, was not particularly successful. In prohibiting 19 brands of weapons (along with copycats), the law’s judgments seemed arbitrary. A gun that resembles a military rifle is not inherently more lethal than an aesthetically innocuous weapon. But the law’s prohibition of high-capacity magazines — capped at 10 rounds — strikes me as prudent. A 100-round, drum-style magazine — the kind that police say the Aurora suspect had in his AR-15 — is highly useful to someone intent on mass murder. It is less useful for an average citizen intent on self-defense, unless he fears home invasion by a foreign army.

Such laws are always a balance. In this case, the gain in public safety would be relatively small — restricting access to a destructive technology used by killers at Aurora, Tucson, Fort Hood and Virginia Tech. But the burden on gun rights would be minimal. Defenders of high-capacity magazines argue that they are more convenient at the gun range, since you can fill up a large magazine before leaving home. There is a constitutional difference between the argument “I need to defend myself from aggression” and “I’d prefer to reload less at the range.”

I am open to the idea that other measures — particularly improving the capacity of the mental health system to identify people with emotional problems — should have a higher national priority. Reasonable gun laws are not a panacea. But neither are they a threat to the Constitution. They merit a debate — driven not by ideology but by prudential judgments on public safety.

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The temptation at times like these is to “do something” about guns. Australia and Britain passed tougher gun laws after mass shootings, and haven’t suffered another since. I would respectfully submit that Australia and Britain are full of Australians and Britons, not Americans. Moreover, neither country is home to an estimated 180 million privately owned guns, as ours is. Guns last forever. The one with which I hunt was made in 1900 and functions as well today as it did then. If tomorrow President Obama signed the ultimate gun-control law—a total ban on the sale, manufacture, and import of guns—we would still be awash in firearms for generations to come. Madmen like the murderer in Aurora would find a way to kill. Witness Timothy McVeigh…

[Forty] percent of Americans own guns, and like it or not, they identify with them, personally. Guns stand in for a whole range of values—individualism, strength, American exceptionalism—that many gun owners hold dear. Tell a gun owner that he cannot be trusted to own a firearm—particularly if you are an urban pundit with no experience around guns—and what he hears is an insult. Add to this that the bulk of the gun-buying public is made up of middle-aged white men with less than a college degree, and now you’re insulting a population already rubbed raw by decades of stagnant wages.

The harm we’ve done by messing with law-abiding Americans’ guns is significant. In 2010, I drove 11,000 miles around the United States talking to gun guys (for a book, to be published in the spring, that grew out of an article I wrote for this magazine), and I met many working guys, including plumbers, parks workers, nurses—natural Democrats in any other age—who wouldn’t listen to anything the Democratic party has to say because of its institutional hostility to guns. I’d argue that we’ve sacrificed generations of progress on health care, women’s and workers’ rights, and climate change by reflexively returning, at times like these, to an ill-informed call to ban firearms, and we haven’t gotten anything tangible in return. Aside from what it does to the progressive agenda, needlessly vilifying guns—and by extension, their owners—adds to the rancor that has us so politically frozen and culturally inflamed. Enough.

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Via Mediaite.


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sharrukin on July 28, 2012 at 2:18 AM

Since you need to grab a win here, I let you have it. ~L~

Liam on July 28, 2012 at 2:20 AM

Axe on July 28, 2012 at 2:09 AM

Thumbs up!..But you know we should put up a front!..:)

Dire Straits on July 28, 2012 at 2:21 AM

thatsafactjack on July 28, 2012 at 2:13 AM

My favorite by LZ. Great to play while driving in a storm!

This is also good very, very loud.

RedCrow on July 28, 2012 at 2:21 AM

I don’t like it when they start giving tips to The Won on how to subvert the Constitution, he does fine on his own.

Cindy Munford on July 28, 2012 at 2:09 AM

Funny, isn’t it? When the Republicans are in the majority, the talking heads and news organizations always phrase their stories with statements on “what the Democrats need to to to regain that office or re-take control” and how a certain event or statement will either help or hinder them in that pursuit. Then, when the Democrats are in the majority or hold office, the narrative is always, “what the Democrats need to do to maintain their majority or retain the office” and how a certain event or statement will affect their ability to maintain that majority or office.

Seems like there is a distinct bias, doesn’t it?

For example, we never got, in 2004, how a certain event would help Bush’s re-election efforts, only how much it would help or hurt Kerry’s challenge. Now, it’s all about how this event or that statement helps or hurts Obama’s re-election chances.

AZfederalist on July 28, 2012 at 2:21 AM

Convoy – Charlie Clouser

Clouser’s underrated.

Axe on July 28, 2012 at 2:21 AM

Ozzy — niiiice, you metal head, you!

cynccook on July 28, 2012 at 2:17 AM

Truthfully I listen to anything that sounds good. Obviously that excludes rap, jazz and a lot of country, all just my personal opinions…except for the rap which can be scientifically proven to be bad.

sharrukin on July 28, 2012 at 2:22 AM

ZEP

thatsafactjack on July 28, 2012 at 2:13 AM

Thought you went to bed! You’re as bad as me! I just stopped by to say hey and got sucked in! At one point early on, there were about 5 minute gaps between comments. Now look. I hope Allah doesn’t bother to read all the drivel posted here! (with all apologies to the 25% of the comments which were cogent and pithy!)

cynccook on July 28, 2012 at 2:22 AM

http://youtu.be/x1mV_5-bRPo

abby normal here tonite!

jrsrigmvr on July 28, 2012 at 2:22 AM

sharrukin on July 28, 2012 at 2:19 AM

Yep. I just tried to get him to be nice to Cindy but I should know by now that she can hit anyone back with one of her fast balls while chewing on a wad of snark and then charm the pants off them.

SparkPlug on July 28, 2012 at 2:22 AM

Since you need to grab a win here, I let you have it. ~L~

Liam on July 28, 2012 at 2:20 AM

Oh! Oh! Watch now. He’s going to go back to aggressive soon. Maybe he’ll get in another “I really don’t like to argue with people”.

MadisonConservative on July 28, 2012 at 2:22 AM

Thumbs up!..But you know we should put up a front!..:)

Dire Straits on July 28, 2012 at 2:21 AM

Dire Classic.

RedCrow on July 28, 2012 at 2:23 AM

I betcha BMore is eating Peach Cobbler and ALTy is playing with her cats and Dire is looking for Dave.

SparkPlug on July 28, 2012 at 2:24 AM

I guess I am out of luck too as far as getting my Conservative Certification Certificate.

sharrukin on July 28, 2012 at 2:18 AM

I think you have to let him “win” to complete the course.

MadisonConservative on July 28, 2012 at 2:24 AM

Since you need to grab a win here, I let you have it. ~L~

Liam on July 28, 2012 at 2:20 AM

You should look into trademarking that.

sharrukin on July 28, 2012 at 2:24 AM

AZfederalist on July 28, 2012 at 2:21 AM

But they would deny bias with their dying breath. Which as an industry isn’t dying fast enough for me.

Cindy Munford on July 28, 2012 at 2:24 AM

Wait — We get badges?

Axe on July 28, 2012 at 2:15 AM

Badges!? Badges? We don’t need no stinkin’ badges!

AZfederalist on July 28, 2012 at 2:25 AM

Axe on July 28, 2012 at 2:18 AM

You know I love Zepplin!

I’ll just be sitting here at my table…next to the pool… sipping a very dry martini… listening to some tunes. Stop by if your in the mood!

thatsafactjack on July 28, 2012 at 2:25 AM

I guess I am out of luck too as far as getting my Conservative Certification Certificate.

sharrukin on July 28, 2012 at 2:18 AM

Well, that makes me feel a little better, I must say. Do you know that before today I never realized that I, too, was a liberal?!? I mean, it must have been staring me in the face all these years, but I was so clueless. I. Am. Ashamed. :/

cynccook on July 28, 2012 at 2:26 AM

Not really. I was just trying to figure out what we had argued about before. It’s usually my position on gay marriage that draws such fanatical hatred. No luck, so far. Do you remember? Here’s one of those I mentioned, by the way.

MadisonConservative on July 28, 2012 at 2:19 AM

I didn’t want a fight with you, Madison. But if I’m engaged…

I don’t care about your views on gay marriage. But if you actually talked with me, you might find things you didn’t expect.

Just an idea, here, if you will/

Liam on July 28, 2012 at 2:26 AM

Wouldn’t it be funny if Robert Plant was a vegetarian?

SparkPlug on July 28, 2012 at 2:27 AM

I think you have to let him “win” to complete the course.

MadisonConservative on July 28, 2012 at 2:24 AM

A cry for help?

This whole conversation reminds me of this.

Not politically correct.

sharrukin on July 28, 2012 at 2:27 AM

There’s a test to prove conservative bona fides now?

AllahsNippleHair on July 28, 2012 at 2:15 AM

Yes, but the first part is a physical exam and you have to crawl into Liam’s tent to take it. :O

cynccook on July 28, 2012 at 2:19 AM

Like a TSA in all your holes exam?
No thanks, I’ll just go without ID. It works for the illegals.

AllahsNippleHair on July 28, 2012 at 2:28 AM

You should look into trademarking that.

sharrukin on July 28, 2012 at 2:24 AM

You should look into being something other than a submissive sycophant.

Liam on July 28, 2012 at 2:28 AM

Truthfully I listen to anything that sounds good. Obviously that excludes rap, jazz and a lot of country, all just my personal opinions…except for the rap which can be scientifically proven to be bad.

sharrukin on July 28, 2012 at 2:22 AM

I just heard this yesterday! It’s so cute. Hey, where is jaime, by the way?

cynccook on July 28, 2012 at 2:28 AM

Well, that makes me feel a little better, I must say. Do you know that before today I never realized that I, too, was a liberal?!? I mean, it must have been staring me in the face all these years, but I was so clueless. I. Am. Ashamed. :/

cynccook on July 28, 2012 at 2:26 AM

Does that mean we have to support Obama cause that just feels icky?

sharrukin on July 28, 2012 at 2:29 AM

cynccook on July 28, 2012 at 2:22 AM

I stepped out for awhile…. I checked back in… noticed that there was some discussion of an ideological litmus test for conservatism… had to stick around to get the particulars.

thatsafactjack on July 28, 2012 at 2:30 AM

But if you actually talked with me, you might find things you didn’t expect.

Just an idea, here, if you will/

Liam on July 28, 2012 at 2:26 AM

Awwww…. :( Well, people would be more inclined to want to talk with you if you weren’t so quick to call them ‘liberals’ and if you weren’t so defensive. Right, guys? No? Oh, well, I gave it a shot.

cynccook on July 28, 2012 at 2:30 AM

I didn’t want a fight with you, Madison.

Liam on July 28, 2012 at 2:26 AM

The number of times you’ve accused someone of being liberal is roughly equivalent to the number of facepalmingly passive-aggressive shifts you’ve made.

MadisonConservative on July 28, 2012 at 2:31 AM

I’ll just be sitting here at my table…next to the pool… sipping a very dry martini… listening to some tunes. Stop by if your in the mood!

thatsafactjack on July 28, 2012 at 2:25 AM

OMG.

A woman sitting on the edge of a pool sipping a dry martini listening to some tunes just said “stop by if your in the mood” –

Someone notice! I was so cool for a few fleeting seconds!

Does the universe write any of this down?

Axe on July 28, 2012 at 2:31 AM

You should look into being something other than a submissive sycophant.

Liam on July 28, 2012 at 2:28 AM

I am the guy who argues with people all the time about the so-called ‘severely’ conservative Mitt Romney…and gets called a liberal, or an Obama supporter at least every other day. I think my non-sycophant creds are in fine order.

sharrukin on July 28, 2012 at 2:32 AM

SparkPlug on July 28, 2012 at 2:27 AM

Okay, that’s funny.

Cindy Munford on July 28, 2012 at 2:32 AM

…this is the kind of thread Hornet Sting would have fun at and I would be laughing at the venom.

KOOLAID2 on July 28, 2012 at 2:32 AM

Does that mean we have to support Obama cause that just feels icky?

sharrukin on July 28, 2012 at 2:29 AM

Gulp. I think it means that we have to volunteer — even send him money. Worse yet, we have to get all excited when he makes a speech and — and *sobbing* cheer!

cynccook on July 28, 2012 at 2:33 AM

sharrukin on July 28, 2012 at 2:27 AM

I prefer this one.

MadisonConservative on July 28, 2012 at 2:33 AM

jrsrigmvr on July 28, 2012 at 2:22 A

YES! Where IS that sedagive when we need it?

thatsafactjack on July 28, 2012 at 2:33 AM

cynccook on July 28, 2012 at 2:22 AM

I stepped out for awhile…. I checked back in… noticed that there was some discussion of an ideological litmus test for conservatism… had to stick around to get the particulars.

thatsafactjack on July 28, 2012 at 2:30 AM

Cyn said you have to go into Liam’s tent, get naked, get TSA’d, and someone gets to throw gorilla feces at you.
Then, you might get a badge.

AllahsNippleHair on July 28, 2012 at 2:33 AM

Y’all know you don’t have to like each other, right?

Cindy Munford on July 28, 2012 at 2:33 AM

I just heard this yesterday! It’s so cute. Hey, where is jaime, by the way?

cynccook on July 28, 2012 at 2:28 AM

That was painful. Not as bad as the time Bmore posted a rap song he thought I would really like, but lord it wasn’t good either.

sharrukin on July 28, 2012 at 2:34 AM

Oh! Oh! Watch now. He’s going to go back to aggressive soon. Maybe he’ll get in another “I really don’t like to argue with people”.

MadisonConservative on July 28, 2012 at 2:22 AM

I didn’t want a fight with you, Madison.

Liam on July 28, 2012 at 2:26 AM

You should look into being something other than a submissive sycophant.

Liam on July 28, 2012 at 2:28 AM

I am the Karl Rove of Liam.

MadisonConservative on July 28, 2012 at 2:34 AM

Axe on July 28, 2012 at 2:31 AM

You were great, now hush, don’t ruin it.

Cindy Munford on July 28, 2012 at 2:35 AM

Axe on July 28, 2012 at 2:31 AM

Made me laugh!

thatsafactjack on July 28, 2012 at 2:36 AM

OMG.

A woman sitting on the edge of a pool sipping a dry martini listening to some tunes just said “stop by if your in the mood” –

Someone notice! I was so cool for a few fleeting seconds!

Does the universe write any of this down?

Axe on July 28, 2012 at 2:31 AM

Also she’s beautiful and has long, blonde hair. In fact, she looks just like this. Axe…Axe! Where are you going?!?

cynccook on July 28, 2012 at 2:36 AM

Air guitar rocks.

Axe on July 28, 2012 at 2:36 AM

Gulp. I think it means that we have to volunteer — even send him money. Worse yet, we have to get all excited when he makes a speech and — and *sobbing* cheer!

cynccook on July 28, 2012 at 2:33 AM

Maybe not. Perhaps we could be ultra liberals and wear red berets and make speeches about how Obama is selling us all out by keeping GITMO open and cooperating with THE MAN?

sharrukin on July 28, 2012 at 2:37 AM

and *sobbing* cheer!

cynccook on July 28, 2012 at 2:33 AM

Yeah. Liam was out-of-hand with what he said to you on Page 2 (mostly, I think). Quite rude. Sorry to have injected myself into the argument.

RedCrow on July 28, 2012 at 2:38 AM

sharrukin the submissive sycophant. It has a ring to it, must be all the s’s. All in all not flattering, I don’t think I’d keep it if I were you.

Cindy Munford on July 28, 2012 at 2:38 AM

The number of times you’ve accused someone of being liberal is roughly equivalent to the number of facepalmingly passive-aggressive shifts you’ve made.

MadisonConservative on July 28, 2012 at 2:31 AM

Got a tabulation there? And, how many times have I been wrong?

You tell me–drop names. I want to hear it all.

I’m not passive/aggressive. When it comes to liberals, I’m aggressive. I despise and revile liberals.

I make no bones about it.

At least I’m honest, unlike the egotist that you are MadCon.

Liam on July 28, 2012 at 2:38 AM

dire … sort of tuneless here

Axe on July 28, 2012 at 2:38 AM

I prefer this one.

MadisonConservative on July 28, 2012 at 2:33 AM

That works too but it may not be as accurate given how most Internet arguments end up.

sharrukin on July 28, 2012 at 2:39 AM

That was painful. Not as bad as the time Bmore posted a rap song he thought I would really like, but lord it wasn’t good either.

sharrukin on July 28, 2012 at 2:34 AM

LOL! You crack me up! Now, I know you’re going to like this one.

cynccook on July 28, 2012 at 2:39 AM

RedCrow on July 28, 2012 at 2:23 AM

A lof folks say that is their fav by The Who..:)

PS..I have a tough time naming a fav by The Who..I like pretty much all their songs!!..:)

Dire Straits on July 28, 2012 at 2:40 AM

http://youtu.be/ffo4tzU0rUc

Jack: have one on me
“clink”

jrsrigmvr on July 28, 2012 at 2:40 AM

At least I’m honest, unlike the egotist that you are MadCon.

Liam on July 28, 2012 at 2:38 AM

I thought he didn’t want to fight with Maddie? Maybe someone should explain the rules of not fighting to this person?

cynccook on July 28, 2012 at 2:41 AM

Yeah. Liam was out-of-hand with what he said to you on Page 2 (mostly, I think). Quite rude. Sorry to have injected myself into the argument.

RedCrow on July 28, 2012 at 2:38 AM

Yes, I’m ‘rude’ at times.

No need to apologize. Just like me.

Liam on July 28, 2012 at 2:41 AM

Does the universe write any of this down?

Axe on July 28, 2012 at 2:31 AM

I came to a fork in the road so I took the path with the content warning. Or something like that. I stole it from Jackie and you.

SparkPlug on July 28, 2012 at 2:42 AM

sharrukin the submissive sycophant. It has a ring to it, must be all the s’s. All in all not flattering, I don’t think I’d keep it if I were you.

Cindy Munford on July 28, 2012 at 2:38 AM

I already have a nickname…Barbara IIRC.

sharrukin on July 28, 2012 at 2:43 AM

http://youtu.be/ffo4tzU0rUc

Jack: have one on me
“clink”

jrsrigmvr on July 28, 2012 at 2:40 AM

This is as sexy as a bunch of malnourished, LSD-laden English boys can get.

cynccook on July 28, 2012 at 2:43 AM

PS..I have a tough time naming a fav by The Who..I like pretty much all their songs!!..:)

Dire Straits on July 28, 2012 at 2:40 AM

One of my favorites. (And, I know what you mean, there’re a lot to choose from.)

RedCrow on July 28, 2012 at 2:43 AM

Yeah. Liam was out-of-hand with what he said to you on Page 2 (mostly, I think). Quite rude. Sorry to have injected myself into the argument.

RedCrow on July 28, 2012 at 2:38 AM

Yes, I’m ‘rude’ at times.

No need to apologize. Just like me.

Liam on July 28, 2012 at 2:41 AM

Liam, you’ve taken a beating, you’ve scratched back.
Why not give us a tune or something.

AllahsNippleHair on July 28, 2012 at 2:43 AM

jrsrigmvr on July 28, 2012 at 2:40 AM

Kashmir! I love that tune. Thanks, Fred!

thatsafactjack on July 28, 2012 at 2:44 AM

I thought he didn’t want to fight with Maddie? Maybe someone should explain the rules of not fighting to this person?

cynccook on July 28, 2012 at 2:41 AM

This is a discussion among adults, not a fight.

So go sit in some corner and shut up, child. You have no place among adults.

Liam on July 28, 2012 at 2:44 AM

I like this one

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKI1k7LSAIE

Cindy Munford on July 28, 2012 at 2:44 AM

I already have a nickname…Barbara IIRC.

sharrukin on July 28, 2012 at 2:43 AM

Sigh. It’s *Loretta* as if you didn’t know.

cynccook on July 28, 2012 at 2:44 AM

Axe on July 28, 2012 at 2:38 AM

Not yet!..I honestly don’t know why we don’t play this band more often..They are a treasure!..:)

Dire Straits on July 28, 2012 at 2:44 AM

No need to apologize. Just like me.

Liam on July 28, 2012 at 2:41 AM

Of course, you saw that I was apologizing to cynccook, no one else.

RedCrow on July 28, 2012 at 2:44 AM

thatsafactjack on July 27, 2012 at 11:18 PM

Read this later if you’re relaxing now!
****
As I’ve gone through the thread, I saw you mentioned those pronounced brain dead. This has some harrowing stories of people who were “brain dead” and revived.

Dad rescues ‘brain dead’ son from doctors wishing to harvest his organs – boy recovers completely

This pdf is another harrowing article, and it includes some of the conflicting feelings of doctors. The term was invented after the first heart transplant to enable the “routinization of solid organ transplantation.” It was written by a Canadian, but she summarizes its history within the world medical community.

http://plaza.ufl.edu/lfordyce/Lock%20-%20%20inventing%20a%20new%20death.pdf

One thing that was quite disturbing was this:

Under the circumstances, organ procurement agencies are particularly vigilant. Their employees give lectures and provide small incentives to medical personnel working in intensive care units. They also monitor how well ICUs succeed in procuring organs and, in the province of Quebec, for example, send admonitory letters to units that do not provide the number of organs that could be expected to be procured, given how many victims of accidents were treated in the unit.

INC on July 28, 2012 at 2:44 AM

I’m not passive/aggressive. When it comes to liberals, I’m aggressive. I despise and revile liberals.

Liam on July 28, 2012 at 2:38 AM

Right. Except for all the times you “let them win”.

Which you then start up again minutes later.

MadisonConservative on July 28, 2012 at 2:45 AM

Liam, you’ve taken a beating, you’ve scratched back.
Why not give us a tune or something.

AllahsNippleHair on July 28, 2012 at 2:43 AM

Music? What would you like?

Liam on July 28, 2012 at 2:45 AM

I came to a fork in the road so I took the path with the content warning. Or something like that. I stole it from Jackie and you.

SparkPlug on July 28, 2012 at 2:42 AM

It’s awesome, isn’t it! You know! And it does belong on a t-shirt.

Yeah. I’m doing it tomorrow. Seriously.

Axe on July 28, 2012 at 2:45 AM

thatsafactjack on July 28, 2012 at 2:44 AM

Kashmir is my fav.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBmueYJ0VhA

Immigrant Song – Led Zeppelin

I like this one to.

SparkPlug on July 28, 2012 at 2:45 AM

SparkPlug on July 28, 2012 at 2:42 AM

And I didn’t think you were paying attention! And how astute an observation given the content of this thread this evening! Well played, SP!

thatsafactjack on July 28, 2012 at 2:46 AM

Liam, you’ve taken a beating, you’ve scratched back.
Why not give us a tune or something.

AllahsNippleHair on July 28, 2012 at 2:43 AM

Music? What would you like?

Liam on July 28, 2012 at 2:45 AM

You pick.

AllahsNippleHair on July 28, 2012 at 2:46 AM

sharrukin on July 28, 2012 at 2:43 AM

Yep, I like that one better.

Cindy Munford on July 28, 2012 at 2:46 AM

I thought he didn’t want to fight with Maddie? Maybe someone should explain the rules of not fighting to this person?

cynccook on July 28, 2012 at 2:41 AM

This is a discussion among adults, not a fight.

So go sit in some corner and shut up, child. You have no place among adults.

Liam on July 28, 2012 at 2:44 AM

Dude, settle down.

AllahsNippleHair on July 28, 2012 at 2:47 AM

So go sit in some corner and shut up, child.

Liam on July 28, 2012 at 2:44 AM

So said the commenter who didn’t like to argue, didn’t want a fight, let them win…but was totally not passive-aggressive.

MadisonConservative on July 28, 2012 at 2:47 AM

I already have a nickname…Barbara IIRC.

sharrukin on July 28, 2012 at 2:43 AM

Sigh. It’s *Loretta* as if you didn’t know.

cynccook on July 28, 2012 at 2:44 AM

I knew that…I was just testing you seeing as how you might now be a liberal and all.

LOL! You crack me up! Now, I know you’re going to like this one.

cynccook on July 28, 2012 at 2:39 AM

Ouch.

This is a country song.

sharrukin on July 28, 2012 at 2:47 AM

Yeah. Liam was out-of-hand with what he said to you on Page 2 (mostly, I think). Quite rude. Sorry to have injected myself into the argument.

RedCrow on July 28, 2012 at 2:38 AM

MadCon really was just trying to defend me. You two are both stand up guys.

cynccook on July 28, 2012 at 2:48 AM

thatsafactjack on July 28, 2012 at 2:46 AM

I have a poronographic memory but sometimes I use the wrong words.

SparkPlug on July 28, 2012 at 2:48 AM

Right. Except for all the times you “let them win”.

Which you then start up again minutes later.

MadisonConservative on July 28, 2012 at 2:45 AM

Exactly…

Liam on July 28, 2012 at 2:48 AM

Not yet!..I honestly don’t know why we don’t play this band more often..They are a treasure!..:)

Dire Straits on July 28, 2012 at 2:44 AM

Gotta get you to click on this one,then.

RedCrow on July 28, 2012 at 2:49 AM

This is a country song.

sharrukin on July 28, 2012 at 2:47 AM

Ahhhh. Hard to top that, Loretta, my girl.

cynccook on July 28, 2012 at 2:49 AM

MadCon really was just trying to defend me. You two are both stand up guys.

cynccook on July 28, 2012 at 2:48 AM

Thanks. I’ll try not to prove you wrong.

RedCrow on July 28, 2012 at 2:49 AM

Not yet!..I honestly don’t know why we don’t play this band more often..They are a treasure!..:)

Dire Straits on July 28, 2012 at 2:44 AM

:)

You picked Lying Eyes out of all that the Eagles have? Just like the feel? Inter-est-ing. Any other human would have pulled HC.

AND GO IN STYYYYLE

*more air guitar*

Axe on July 28, 2012 at 2:49 AM

Well, enough of this fun, out for the night.

AZfederalist on July 28, 2012 at 2:50 AM

So go sit in some corner and shut up, child.

Liam on July 28, 2012 at 2:44 AM

Charming.

Is this what passes for a winning argument?

sharrukin on July 28, 2012 at 2:50 AM

Sheesh. I blew my own joke.

poronographic pornographic memory

SparkPlug on July 28, 2012 at 2:50 AM

I have a poronographic memory but sometimes I use the wrong words.

SparkPlug on July 28, 2012 at 2:48 AM

LOL!
(Thanks. Needed that.)

RedCrow on July 28, 2012 at 2:50 AM

So said the commenter who didn’t like to argue, didn’t want a fight, let them win…but was totally not passive-aggressive.

MadisonConservative on July 28, 2012 at 2:47 AM

I really bug the living daylights out of you, don’t I?

Liam on July 28, 2012 at 2:50 AM

This thread is shattered

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nULwgHsVqw

SparkPlug on July 28, 2012 at 2:51 AM

Def Leppard – Too late for love

… (starting to jones a little for electricity)

Axe on July 28, 2012 at 2:51 AM

Of course, you saw that I was apologizing to cynccook, no one else.

RedCrow on July 28, 2012 at 2:44 AM

And maybe just a teensy, eensy bit to MC? :) Maybe?

cynccook on July 28, 2012 at 2:51 AM

Yes, I’m ‘rude’ at times.

Liam on July 28, 2012 at 2:41 AM

Rude in quotes, because rudeness only applies to people other than you, right?

So go sit in some corner and shut up, child. You have no place among adults.

Liam on July 28, 2012 at 2:44 AM

Only an egotist would find this rude.

MadisonConservative on July 28, 2012 at 2:51 AM

INC on July 28, 2012 at 2:44 AM

Yes… its a very disturbing and frightening development and I think it bears watching.

The rush to harvest organs from people declared ‘brain dead’ is increasing and great pressure is brought on families when they are at their lowest emotional ebb.

This is a core tenet of the biomedical ethics system that the progressives wish to inculcate into our health care industry.

The disabled and the elderly are considered unproductive. Biden actually said it in ’09. He looked right in the camera and said that people over 72 should not be given ‘expensive care’ that it should be reserved for working age people.

Its why Obamacare… and every iteration of this form of EUGENICS, has to be stopped.

thatsafactjack on July 28, 2012 at 2:52 AM

Ahhhh. Hard to top that, Loretta, my girl.

cynccook on July 28, 2012 at 2:49 AM

I guess I like the older country music and then only some of that. New country bores me to tears.

sharrukin on July 28, 2012 at 2:53 AM

Only an egotist would find this rude.

MadisonConservative on July 28, 2012 at 2:51 AM

No, it’s cool. As a liberal, I relish the thought of someone telling what to do and what to think and I also kind of dig not having the freedom to complain about it. It’s kind of liberating. I can’t tell if this dude is drunk or just crazy?

cynccook on July 28, 2012 at 2:53 AM

Exactly…

Liam on July 28, 2012 at 2:48 AM

…so you admit to passive-aggression just after denying it.

Dude, I’m really trying here. I don’t want to use the “you’re acting like a liberal” card, but it’s like you’re laying down a trail of caviar. I beg you, stop tempting me!

MadisonConservative on July 28, 2012 at 2:54 AM

AllahsNippleHair on July 28, 2012 at 2:46 AM

Music…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1xyCOE8fNQ&feature=related

Liam on July 28, 2012 at 2:54 AM

Well maybe we can talk about the amazing Pistol Shrimp and debate how conservative it is.

SparkPlug on July 28, 2012 at 2:55 AM

Well, enough of this fun, out for the night.

AZfederalist on July 28, 2012 at 2:50 AM

LOL Goodnight AZF, thanks for trying to add a little merit to this SCOAMF.

cynccook on July 28, 2012 at 2:56 AM

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