Dems offer gun-control amendment to cybersecurity bill

posted at 9:21 am on July 27, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

You didn’t think Congress would do nothing after the Aurora shooting, did you — especially the Democrat-controlled Senate?  Fueled by the detail that the AR-15 (not an AK-47) used in the massacre had a high-capacity drum magazine — which jammed — Senate Democrats have offered an amendment to the pending cybersecurity bill that would ban possession of magazines past a maximum 10-round capacity:

Democratic senators have offered an amendment to the cybersecurity bill that would limit the purchase of high capacity gun magazines for some consumers.

Shortly after the Cybersecurity Act gained Senate approval to proceed to filing proposed amendments and a vote next week, Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.), a sponsor of the gun control amendment, came to the floor to defend the idea of implementing some “reasonable” gun control measures.

The amendment was sponsored by Democratic Sens. Frank Lautenberg (N.J.), Barbara Boxer (Calif.), Jack Reed (R.I.), Bob Menendez (N.J.), Kirsten Gillibrand (N.Y.), Schumer and Dianne Feinstein (Calif.). S.A. 2575 would make it illegal to transfer or possess large capacity feeding devices such as gun magazines, belts, feed stripes and drums of more than 10 rounds of ammunition with the exception of .22 caliber rim fire ammunition.

The amendment is identical to a separate bill sponsored by Lautenberg. Feinstein was the sponsor of the assault weapons ban, which expired in 2004.

Ten rounds?  That is, I believe, the smallest capacity magazine for any firearm that uses one. I own four magazines for my semiautomatic Glock 23 .40 caliber pistol, and only one of those is a 10-round magazine.  The others, which would be grandfathered under the bill but which I could not replace if it passed, have capacities of 13 and 15 rounds.  What makes a 13-round magazine more inherently dangerous than a 10-round magazine, or a 15-round magazine than a 13-rounder?

As of 2007, six states had magazine-capacity restrictions, four of those at 10 rounds: California, New York, Massachusetts, and Hawaii, not exactly known for their gun-rights-friendly attitudes.  Hawaii’s only applies to handguns.  New Jersey’s limit is 15, while Maryland’s is 20.  The rest of the states haven’t seen the need to enact magazine limits.

Perhaps it might be “reasonable” to restrict the high-capacity drum magazines to military and law-enforcement uses, but that’s only if you think that someone could benefit from the need of a shooter to repeatedly reload.  Let’s not forget that Aurora forbids anyone from carrying or discharging a weapon at all, and so did the theater in which the massacre took place.  The perpetrator had no problem switching weapons and/or reloading because Aurora had already disarmed his victims through their “reasonable” gun control statutes and rules.  This regulation would have made absolutely no difference in the shooting which Democrats have used to launch this new law.

I doubt this amendment will make it through the Senate, but if it does, the entire cybersecurity bill will be ignored by the House.

Update: I was incorrect about mag capacities in some specific instances, as Madison Conservative notes in the comments:

That’s entirely wrong, Ed. First of all, most magazines for larger capacity handguns, such as .45ACP, 10MM, or .50AE, carry anywhere between 6-9 rounds. Secondly, for semi-automatic shotguns that have magazines, they usually have a minimum of five rounds. Finally, some rifle magazines carry 5-10 rounds, although that usually only applies to rifles that are 50 years old or more.

All that aside, this needs to catch fire and take the cybersecurity bill down with it.

I’d wager that most magazines for handguns and rifles have a base of 9-10 round capacity, but clearly not all.


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I doubt this amendment will make it through the Senate, but if it does, the entire cybersecurity bill will be ignored by the House.

Thank goodness for those evil, obstructionist Republicans.

Doughboy on July 27, 2012 at 9:25 AM

Well, they forced Obamacare on us, over the wishes of the American people. If there’s a way, they’ll do this. The good thing is, everyone’s ready, this time.

kingsjester on July 27, 2012 at 9:25 AM

The amendment was sponsored by Democratic Sens. Frank Lautenberg (N.J.), Barbara Boxer (Calif.), Jack Reed (R.I.), Bob Menendez (N.J.), Kirsten Gillibrand (N.Y.), Schumer and Dianne Feinstein (Calif.).

Why not just say The Usual Gang Of Idiots, with Schmucky Schumer once again leading the charge?

pilamaye on July 27, 2012 at 9:26 AM

the entire cybersecurity bill will be ignored by the House.

win-win right there

unseen on July 27, 2012 at 9:26 AM

Never let a crisis go to waste! -Liberals

search4truth on July 27, 2012 at 9:27 AM

S.A. 2575 would make it illegal to transfer or possess large capacity feeding devices

Like 32 oz. soda cups? Seriously though, if you’re crazy and intent on killing as many people as you can in a crowded movie theater, does it really make a difference if you have one 100-round magazine or ten 10-rounders?

Trafalgar on July 27, 2012 at 9:27 AM

Hey liberals – can we use Gossner to revisit abortion laws?

gwelf on July 27, 2012 at 9:28 AM

I bought an SKS in the 90′s at a gun show but the bayonet for them was outlawed.A few tables down was a stack of these bayonets labled as tent pegs.Pass all the laws you want but when there is a way…….

docflash on July 27, 2012 at 9:28 AM

Like we don’t have bigger problems…..

These idiots really need to get a clue. Your chances of being killed by someone using a high capacity magazine is equivalent to winning the lottery and getting struck by lightning at the same time.

If anything, these nitwits make me want to arm up because they are the most tyrannical leaders in this country.

aniptofar on July 27, 2012 at 9:29 AM

And why do the police need high capacity magazines?

aniptofar on July 27, 2012 at 9:30 AM

Do senate Democrats own stock in gun manufacturing and sales companies? Expect gun sales to go up even further.

gwelf on July 27, 2012 at 9:30 AM

guns dont cause mass shootings, MP3s and URLs cause mass shootings

Jeddite on July 27, 2012 at 9:30 AM

I suspect Chuck Schumer is the anti-Christ. Seriously, he is just loathesome beyond words. The man is evil.

jawkneemusic on July 27, 2012 at 9:31 AM

And why do the police need high capacity magazines?

aniptofar on July 27, 2012 at 9:30 AM

Exactly. If the laws are going to stop the criminals from getting them then obviously the police don’t need them either.

Liberals hate the idea of people taking care of themselves.

gwelf on July 27, 2012 at 9:31 AM

This won’t pass. But just by offering the amendment they’ll cause a run on higher capacity magazines. Good for the economy but bad for buyers because it will push prices up.

dczombie on July 27, 2012 at 9:33 AM

Outlaw ALL magazines… Done.

/

LtGenRob on July 27, 2012 at 9:33 AM

“Hey liberals – can we use Gossner to revisit abortion laws?”

+1

Eph on July 27, 2012 at 9:33 AM

And why do the police need high capacity magazines?
aniptofar on July 27, 2012 at 9:30 AM

Shall not be infringed. What don’t you understand about that?

jawkneemusic on July 27, 2012 at 9:33 AM

I doubt this amendment will make it through the Senate, but if it does, the entire cybersecurity bill will be ignored by the House.

Good.

I’m surprised Dems keep raising the gun control issue. It’s such a loser for them every time it’s tried.

petefrt on July 27, 2012 at 9:33 AM

Right. I have a box of 15 round magazines for my Beretta. They’ll be grandfathered. If my friends wanted one, I’d give it to them.

Schumer talks a lot about how the left could help in compromising by acknowleding the right to bear arms and reassure America that the democrat aim is not to infringe on that right. (Gee … thanks!)

Chuck, you could best do that when you stop asking us to compromise a basic Constitutional right.

hawkdriver on July 27, 2012 at 9:33 AM

What makes a 13-round magazine more inherently dangerous than a 10-round magazine, or a 15-round magazine than a 13-rounder?

Because, it makes it easier for you to “spray” your “hose of death”. After all, the only reason you need more than one shot to do your (barbaric) hunting is that you want to kill as many people as possible. The ten-round limit is where we’ll start.

So there.

eeyore on July 27, 2012 at 9:33 AM

“I suspect Chuck Schumer is the anti-Christ.”

Nope, just your typical Reform Jew.

Eph on July 27, 2012 at 9:34 AM

Old and Busted: Let’s ignore all those jobs bills that the House has passed.
New Hotness: Let’s try another futile attempt to grab guns.

Senate is epic fail.

search4truth on July 27, 2012 at 9:34 AM

Hey liberals – can we use Gossner to revisit abortion laws?

gwelf on July 27, 2012 at 9:28 AM

Brilliant!

Trafalgar on July 27, 2012 at 9:34 AM

Guess what, these idiots in the Senate just increased sales of high capacity mags across the country today. Gun sales have been through the roof out of fear that our “over lords” will ban them. Now that they are actually putting crap like this in writing, the great citizens of this country are going to ensure that the arming trend continues until we vote out of office the Schumers of the world.

Weight of Glory on July 27, 2012 at 9:34 AM

I know, let’s ban shooting moviegoers.

Akzed on July 27, 2012 at 9:34 AM

I had this magazine capacity argument with folks after this happened and while I will admit that it saves a shooter a few seconds, it doesn’t really impact death toll. The Virginia Tech shooter should prove to them that magazine capacity has very little to do with the final tally.

If someone gets it in their head to kill a lot of people, they’re going to do it regardless of a 10 round clip or a 100 round clip.

The argument has been made that if his drum hadn’t malfunctioned, more people would have died in the theater shooting. That’s a possibility. But if he had planned this with 10rd magazines instead of a single drum, I can guarantee there would have been more deaths. I’ve never had a standard capacity clip jam on me. And I’ve shot thousands upon thousands of rounds. Whereas on the other hand, high capacity drum magazines I’ve always had nothing but trouble with.

Magazine capacity laws will only add a few seconds of time to the shooter’s plan. It will not save lives.

Strangely enough, when researching mass murders that involve firearms the most common thread I found among them is the use of shotguns. Yet I see no one trying to ban shotguns.

ButterflyDragon on July 27, 2012 at 9:35 AM

Ten rounds? That is, I believe, the smallest capacity magazine for any firearm that uses one.

That’s entirely wrong, Ed. First of all, most magazines for larger capacity handguns, such as .45ACP, 10MM, or .50AE, carry anywhere between 6-9 rounds. Secondly, for semi-automatic shotguns that have magazines, they usually have a minimum of five rounds. Finally, some rifle magazines carry 5-10 rounds, although that usually only applies to rifles that are 50 years old or more.

All that aside, this needs to catch fire and take the cybersecurity bill down with it.

MadisonConservative on July 27, 2012 at 9:35 AM

And why do the police need high capacity magazines?
aniptofar on July 27, 2012 at 9:30 AM
Shall not be infringed. What don’t you understand about that?
jawkneemusic on July 27, 2012 at 9:33 AM

Whoops, sorry….it’s early. I misread your post. my apologies. These democrats have my head spinning.

jawkneemusic on July 27, 2012 at 9:35 AM

“But just by offering the amendment they’ll cause a run on higher capacity magazines. ”

RGR and SWHC on the markets

Eph on July 27, 2012 at 9:35 AM

Barry’s not going to touch gun control even with a stick… until after the election, when he’ll pull out all the stops.

petefrt on July 27, 2012 at 9:35 AM

I suspect Chuck Schumer is the anti-Christ. Seriously, he is just loathesome beyond words. The man is evil.

jawkneemusic on July 27, 2012 at 9:31 AM

Agreed. I offer up Henry Waxman from the House. These
two individuals are too repulsive for the Human Soul.

ToddPA on July 27, 2012 at 9:36 AM

What exactly does gun-control have to do with cybersecurity?

Bitter Clinger on July 27, 2012 at 9:36 AM

I should also mention that many compact handguns have magazines that have as little as five rounds in them. After all, there’s no point in a 17-round magazine for concealed carry if it’s going to make your carry blatantly obvious, unless you have a very large frame and a holster that can make it fit to your form.

MadisonConservative on July 27, 2012 at 9:36 AM

Does Senator Shoo-mer’s amendment apply to Farakhan’s “army of men” patrolling Chicago’s streets? Surely not.

maubman on July 27, 2012 at 9:37 AM

I doubt this amendment will make it through the Senate, but if it does, the entire cybersecurity bill will be ignored by the House.

Do you really trust Boehner that much?

bofh on July 27, 2012 at 9:37 AM

I suspect Chuck Schumer is the anti-Christ. Seriously, he is just loathesome beyond words. The man is evil.

jawkneemusic on July 27, 2012 at 9:31 AM

I appreciate what you’re saying, but I don’t think the anti-Christ would be bothering with restrictive laws and court decisions.

MelonCollie on July 27, 2012 at 9:37 AM

Ed, Florida doesn’t have a ban on high capacity magazines. However if you commit an aggravated assault with a firearm the mandatory minimum is 3 years in prison. The same offense committed using a firearm with a capacity over 20 rounds results in a mandatory minimum sentence of 15 years. And this is if the weapon is not discharged. Firing even a warning shot in Florida can result in a mandatory 20 year prison sentence.

meci on July 27, 2012 at 9:39 AM

If this idiot bill becomes law the sale of duck tape will sky rocket.People will just tape 2 10 rd AK or AR Mags together end to end.

logman1 on July 27, 2012 at 9:40 AM

Hey liberals – can we use Gossner to revisit abortion laws?

gwelf on July 27, 2012 at 9:28 AM

Indeed. Abortion doctors don’t even need a firearm to kill innocent babies in the womb.

Bitter Clinger on July 27, 2012 at 9:41 AM

FU!

kirkill on July 27, 2012 at 9:41 AM

And also, considering how anxious “the entrenched political class” is to steal our freedom, what, exactly, is in the underlying “cybersecurity” bill? Has anyone looked?

bofh on July 27, 2012 at 9:41 AM

Senator Schumer, are you saying that a liberal can only shoot 10 chicken sandwiches per magazine? Is that what Democrats really want?

maubman on July 27, 2012 at 9:41 AM

This kind of crap from traitors like Lautenberg drives me crazy. He hates guns and gunowners. There is no rationale behind to 10 round magazine, no thinking through if police and the military might be exempt from such a restriction in the performance of their jobs. In short this is bad public policy based on an anti-gun ideology. Lautenberg has already denied more than a few soldiers their career by his treason. This amendment needs to be voted down and put to rest.

Happy Nomad on July 27, 2012 at 9:42 AM

Does Senator Shoo-mer’s amendment apply to Farakhan’s “army of men” patrolling Chicago’s streets? Surely not.

maubman on July 27, 2012 at 9:37 AM

I wonder what capacity magazines are in those bow ties?

Bitter Clinger on July 27, 2012 at 9:42 AM

First of all, most magazines for larger capacity handguns, such as .45ACP, 10MM, or .50AE, carry anywhere between 6-9 rounds.

MadisonConservative on July 27, 2012 at 9:35 AM

13 + 1. I love my XD! Not really arguing, MC. You’re right that most don’t hold that much. But recently many companies have been trying to make them hold more, and this pistol is 3 rounds above what this stupid law would allow. And that’s just dumb.

Weight of Glory on July 27, 2012 at 9:42 AM

Thank You, Thank You, Thank You, Senate Democrats. You just made my AR-15 go up in value.

meci on July 27, 2012 at 9:43 AM

Well, lets look at the positives. Cities like Chicago and DC and New York and Oakland can have “Exchange Your Magazine” days. Gang members and drug dealers of all stripes can turn in their 32- and 50-round Tec-9 mags for the new, legal, 10-round Tec-9 mags. Hopefully at an even exchange rate.

These cities will be much safer under this plan.

BKeyser on July 27, 2012 at 9:43 AM

Good thing the Joker had a hundred round drum magazine, it jammed as they are notoius for doing, instead of ten ten round magazines that wouldn’t jam!
This joker was too stupid to figure it out and so apparently are a whole bunch of old political whores who have lived large off the taxpayers and done far more damage to this country than they could ever possibly repay.

Fire these scum and put an age limit on them, we have too many senile senators and congress critters! MCCAIN!

ConcealedKerry on July 27, 2012 at 9:43 AM

Maybe pass a law that says you can’t buy guns with Federal grant money. I can’t believe no one has thought of that. It would have stopped this whole thing.

Yes. I’m being sarcastic.

JellyToast on July 27, 2012 at 9:44 AM

Weight of Glory on July 27, 2012 at 9:42 AM

Understand, I’m not attempting to make any case for restrictions on anything arms-related. I’m just correcting Ed’s assertion that no firearms use magazines with less than 10 rounds, when it used to be fairly common.

MadisonConservative on July 27, 2012 at 9:44 AM

Leave us the hell alone. Damn tyrants.

darwin on July 27, 2012 at 9:46 AM

At what point do we officially call these Dems enemies of the state and treat them accordingly?

ex_machina on July 27, 2012 at 9:47 AM

Now there’s going to be a run on high capacity magazines.

darwin on July 27, 2012 at 9:47 AM

Congrats, they just created a spike in gun sales…

right2bright on July 27, 2012 at 9:47 AM

I suspect Chuck Schumer is the anti-Christ. Seriously, he is just loathesome beyond words. The man is evil.

jawkneemusic on July 27, 2012 at 9:31 AM

Agreed. I offer up Henry Waxman from the House. These
two individuals are too repulsive for the Human Soul.

ToddPA on July 27, 2012 at 9:36 AM

can we throw Harry Reid in as well?

MrMoe on July 27, 2012 at 9:47 AM

Now there’s going to be a run on high capacity magazines.

darwin on July 27, 2012 at 9:47 AM

Get outta my head…it hurrrtss

right2bright on July 27, 2012 at 9:48 AM

75-round AK drum on sale at Bud’s Gun Shop!

Seriously, folks. BUY HIGH-CAPACITY MAGAZINES NOW. They were worth a fortune while the AWB was in effect during the late 90s.

MadisonConservative on July 27, 2012 at 9:48 AM

The Second Amendment keeps tyranny in check…nuff said…

PatriotRider on July 27, 2012 at 9:49 AM

Desperately trying to appear relevant coming up to the election…

These people make me sick to my stomach along with the millions of gullible idiots that continue to vote for them.

cajunpatriot on July 27, 2012 at 9:49 AM

Never mind the budget….

watertown on July 27, 2012 at 9:49 AM

There is nothing more that Chuck Schumer wants to do to Americans than screw our a@&es like incarcerated felons. This man is a reprobate ignoramus hellbent on perverting anything that can remotely be construed as good.

tom daschle concerned on July 27, 2012 at 9:49 AM

Perhaps it might be “reasonable” to restrict the high-capacity drum magazines to military and law-enforcement uses…

No…reasonable would be a Senate / House rule that any amendment offered to a bill actually have something to do with the bill.

Mitoch55 on July 27, 2012 at 9:51 AM

I was actually going to ask if any modern handguns have magazines that small (hat tip to informed readers). I guess I’ve just seen nothing but Glocks in all those Bruce Willis movies I watch, I just figured most handguns these days have a 15-round clip or so. Or maybe I just got that from how frequently I have to reload in Goldeneye.

… on the other hand, Bond uses a Walther, which is a 7+1 gun so chances are I’m even dumber than I look.

The Schaef on July 27, 2012 at 9:52 AM

Why stop with guns? More people die from car accidents. Let’s ban all cars too!

moonsbreath on July 27, 2012 at 9:53 AM

Why stop with guns? More people die from car accidents. Let’s ban all cars too!

moonsbreath on July 27, 2012 at 9:53 AM

Millions have been killed in abortions. Let’s ban them too!

Trafalgar on July 27, 2012 at 9:56 AM

… on the other hand, Bond uses a Walther, which is a 7+1 gun so chances are I’m even dumber than I look.

The Schaef on July 27, 2012 at 9:52 AM

There’s an example where times have changed. Modern Walthers like the P99 have magazines that go up to 16 rounds, and are still neatly compact for concealed carry. The legislation against high-capacity magazines is ultimately legislation against the progress made in firearms engineering since the early 1980s.

MadisonConservative on July 27, 2012 at 9:56 AM

Schumer’s the biggest schmuck on the Hill, which is saying something considering the competition. Won’t go anywhere, but I am surprised they didn’t attach something regarding Chick fil A. /

changer1701 on July 27, 2012 at 9:56 AM

My Glock 21 – 45ACP will hold 11 not including one round chambered.

BobK on July 27, 2012 at 9:57 AM

Given that this bit mischief isn’t going anywhere… I smell a fund-raising stunt.

The ‘rats will wave this amendment like a bloody shirt… to shake the money tree*.

[*They are hurting for campaign cash this cycle... and the well-off 'rats aren't sharing their piles... they all smell doom in the air and are intent on surviving a repeat of 2010. ]

CPT. Charles on July 27, 2012 at 9:59 AM

Perhaps it might be “reasonable” to restrict the high-capacity drum magazines to military and law-enforcement uses,

Why would that be reasonable, Ed? If ten rounds is enough for me to defend myself, my home, and my family, why wouldn’t ten round be enough for a cop to do the same?

Pretty good litmus test for gun control provisions: whatever rules I have to follow, so do cops.

Then sit back and watch cops shriek and mewl like frightened little girls when you suggest taking away a single one of their tacti-cool ninja toys.

CTD on July 27, 2012 at 9:59 AM

That list of amendment sponsors is made up of Prog/Marxist superstars…

d1carter on July 27, 2012 at 9:59 AM

Schumer talks a lot about how the left could help in compromising by acknowleding the right to bear arms and reassure America that the democrat aim is not to infringe on that right. (Gee … thanks!)

hawkdriver on July 27, 2012 at 9:33 AM

I like how they must think something isn’t a right unless they acknowledge it. Their acknowledgement is not a requirement for a right to exist.

Night Owl on July 27, 2012 at 9:59 AM

I prefer the six-shooters of the old westerns that fire 50-60 rounds before reloading…

right2bright on July 27, 2012 at 10:00 AM

My Glock 21 – 45ACP will hold 11 not including one round chambered.

BobK on July 27, 2012 at 9:57 AM

You keep one chambered I hope.

tom daschle concerned on July 27, 2012 at 10:00 AM

All of these guys have guards that you can bet carry “illegal” weapons…

right2bright on July 27, 2012 at 10:01 AM

As of 2007, six states had magazine-capacity restrictions, four of those at 10 rounds: California, New York, Massachusetts, and Hawaii

What would be interesting is to compare their gun crime to the states without capacity restrictions. Prediction: The large capcity ban makes not a scintilla of difference in the amount or severity of crimes.

Perhaps it might be “reasonable” to restrict the high-capacity drum magazines to military and law-enforcement uses, but that’s only if you think that someone could benefit from the need of a shooter to repeatedly reload.

…in which Ed reveals that he is a statist, and only different from gun grabbers by degree and not by philosophy.

“shall not be infringed…”

jamesjtyler on July 27, 2012 at 10:02 AM

Gun control: EVERY American must carry a 9 mm pistol with just ONE ROUND in it so that when a madman comes into a movie theater to kill people they can put that ONE ROUND between his eyes.

NickDeringer on July 27, 2012 at 10:03 AM

  Let’s not forget that Aurora forbids anyone from carrying or discharging a weapon at all, and so did the theater in which the massacre took place.

I grew up in Aurora. These idiot laws stop nothing. There were at least two gang shootings a month at the Aurora Mall(the mall is in the same parking lot at this theater where the massacre happened) when I was growing up, and there is a police station just across the street. Aurora may look nice on the surface? But it can be pretty ghetto at times.

jawkneemusic on July 27, 2012 at 10:04 AM

That list of amendment sponsors is made up of Prog/Marxist superstars…

d1carter on July 27, 2012 at 9:59 AM

And I’m sure they think they are “moderates” because they merely want to gut the Second Amendment and not abolish it all together.

Happy Nomad on July 27, 2012 at 10:05 AM

While larger caliber handguns typically use 6-10rd magazines, the carbines (which is what they are really after) typically use nothing short of 20+ rd magazines. In fact, I have never seen an AR-15 magazine that would fit the 10 or less rule.

However, as is typical of the left, the ban would do nothing. How many gun deaths are the result of more than 10 rounds being fired by a single person?

Passed on July 27, 2012 at 10:07 AM

And I’m sure they think they are “moderates” because they merely want to gut the Second Amendment and not abolish it all together.

Happy Nomad on July 27, 2012 at 10:05 AM

Oh no. Trust me on this, they want to abolish it.

Trafalgar on July 27, 2012 at 10:08 AM

There’s an example where times have changed. Modern Walthers like the P99 have magazines that go up to 16 rounds, and are still neatly compact for concealed carry. The legislation against high-capacity magazines is ultimately legislation against the progress made in firearms engineering since the early 1980s.
MadisonConservative on July 27, 2012 at 9:56 AM

Are Walthers any good? I like how they look and feel but I have never shot one. I kinda want to replace my XD 9mm but have been weary at buying a German gun. My usual brand of choice is Smith & Wesson. I have a S&W 1911, an M&P15, a .38 snub nose special and then I own a Springfield Armory XD. Kinda want to try something new.

jawkneemusic on July 27, 2012 at 10:09 AM

Hey.. we can all feel safer now. DHS formed a committee, researched and put together a video giving us all instructions on what to do if someone tries to shoot us.

1. Run
2. Hide
3. Call 911
4. Turn off the lights and your cell phone.
5. As a last resort… fight back aggressively with an “improvised weapon.”

What? No real weapons? Oh.. just “improvised ones.” Right. I feel so much safer now.

http://www.federalnewsradio.com/473/2966001/DHS-funded-video-gives-tips-to-survive-a-shooter

JellyToast on July 27, 2012 at 10:10 AM

In the constitutional spirit of limiting the power of government, lest they get overly testy about our freedom. Ten rounds? How many round do those drones over our heads carry?

Don L on July 27, 2012 at 10:12 AM

How many gun deaths are the result of more than 10 rounds being fired by a single person?

Passed on July 27, 2012 at 10:07 AM

I don’t know, the Mexican drug thugs shoot hella rounds from the AK-47s they got from Holder.

Trafalgar on July 27, 2012 at 10:12 AM

5. As a last resort… fight back aggressively with an “improvised weapon.”

What? No real weapons? Oh.. just “improvised ones.” Right. I feel so much safer now.

http://www.federalnewsradio.com/473/2966001/DHS-funded-video-gives-tips-to-survive-a-shooter

JellyToast on July 27, 2012 at 10:10 AM

Aren’t IEDs illgal?

Don L on July 27, 2012 at 10:13 AM

What exactly does gun-control have to do with cybersecurity?

Bitter Clinger on July 27, 2012 at 9:36 AM

This. A law needs to be passed that all bills will only deal with one issue.

rhit87 on July 27, 2012 at 10:13 AM

James Holmes was a registered Democrat. Guns don’t kill people – Democrats do.

Archivarix on July 27, 2012 at 10:13 AM

Are Walthers any good? I like how they look and feel but I have never shot one. I kinda want to replace my XD 9mm but have been weary at buying a German gun. My usual brand of choice is Smith & Wesson. I have a S&W 1911, an M&P15, a .38 snub nose special and then I own a Springfield Armory XD. Kinda want to try something new.

jawkneemusic on July 27, 2012 at 10:09 AM

They’re excellent, especially as carry weapons. Their frames are nicely angled at every corner, and they’re shockingly light.

If you’re looking to avoid buying German, I’d highly recommend the Browning Hi-Power 9MM for an alternative full-size option. Also worth considering: the Bersa Thunder, Beretta PX4 Storm, and Ruger P95D.

MadisonConservative on July 27, 2012 at 10:17 AM

wonder what their plan is for lunatic doctors,you know, the kind that uses dirty needles to infect over 4000 patients with h-c?? ban all needles and crazy doctors?

svs22422 on July 27, 2012 at 10:18 AM

James Holmes was a registered Democrat. Guns don’t kill people – Democrats do.

Archivarix on July 27, 2012 at 10:13 AM

Ban Democrats? Brilliant!!!

Trafalgar on July 27, 2012 at 10:19 AM

Democratic senators have offered an amendment to the cybersecurity bill that would limit the purchase of high capacity gun magazines for some consumers.

Democratic senators. As in Harry Reid, Senate Majority Leader.

Thank you, NRA, for supporting this schmuck. You will never see another penny of my money.

UltimateBob on July 27, 2012 at 10:20 AM

The last I read Switzerland does restrict ammo. I think they have it at like 24,000 rounds per home. They also mandate every home have a fully automatic weapon. I would be ok with that kind of mandate.

JellyToast on July 27, 2012 at 10:20 AM

I wonder what was the capacity of the guns Holder sent to Mexico? Would he he held in violation?

Texican Ben on July 27, 2012 at 10:21 AM

MadisonConservative on July 27, 2012 at 10:17 AM

Word. Thanks.

jawkneemusic on July 27, 2012 at 10:21 AM

right2bright on July 27, 2012 at 10:00 AM

ROFLMAO,spewed drink.

docflash on July 27, 2012 at 10:21 AM

My head hurts.

clippermiami on July 27, 2012 at 10:23 AM

Well, they forced Obamacare on us, over the wishes of the American people. If there’s a way, they’ll do this. The good thing is, everyone’s ready, this time.

kingsjester on July 27, 2012 at 9:25 AM

…uhmmmmm! kingsjester…that’s uhhhh…what worries me!

KOOLAID2 on July 27, 2012 at 10:23 AM

These idiots really need to get a clue. Your chances of being killed by someone using a high capacity magazine is equivalent to winning the lottery and getting struck by lightning at the same time.

…all while shooting a hole-in-one on a par 5.

ontheright on July 27, 2012 at 10:23 AM

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