Quotes of the day

posted at 10:36 pm on July 26, 2012 by Allahpundit

President Barack Obama said Wednesday the nation needs to start talking about tougher gun laws. That might be the end of the conversation.

The White House offered no specific follow-up. Neither did congressional leaders, who say they have no plans to pursue legislation, which faces broad congressional opposition…

Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, a California Democrat, was noncommittal when asked if Democrats would get behind legislation to restrict the sale of large magazines or assault rifles. “There are important voices on both sides of this issue,” she said.

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The polls still show considerable support for practical measures to curb gun violence. For example: a 2011 New York Times/CBS News poll found that 63 percent of Americans favor a ban on high-capacity magazines; just as many supported an assault-weapons ban. The same year, a Washington Post/ABC News poll found that 83 percent supported financing a system in which people treated for mental illness would be reported to a federal gun registry database to prevent them from buying guns; 71 percent favored this for those treated for drug abuse.

Such numbers should give heart to those who seek solutions to gun violence. Yet so many progressive donors have given up on financing the cause of gun safety. And although President Obama took an important step forward in a New Orleans speech Wednesday night, so many progressive politicians sit back and assume that the gun lobby will win again.

There is a word for this: surrender.

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The suddenness and confusion of that moment points out the folly of the politician’s belief that an armed civilian could have easily taken out James Holmes. Imagine the scene: speakers blasting, larger-than-life heroes and villains on the screen, and suddenly real gunshots, a man in a gas mask firing one of three weapons — a shotgun, handgun and rifle, with extended magazines for extra ammo capacity — into the panicking crowd. Even a highly trained, armed police officer would have been caught off guard. Try adding a bunch of untrained, armed civilians into the mix — this type of intervention could have made things much worse…

The pro- and anti-gun groups need to sit down and let common sense rule. We register automobiles and require proof of driving proficiency before granting driving licenses. Is it so unreasonable to consider a national or state-by-state registry for firearms? While I’m not totally opposed to concealed carry laws, why not require comprehensive background checks, psychological screening and training? And while it might be considered un-American to prevent an ordinary citizen from owning an assault rifle, would it be too much to ask why he needs to have a specially modified 100-round magazine?

As a former policeman, I know that such measures would help law enforcement do its job. As an American, I hope that they could help us head off the next tragedy of this type.

***

Several months ago our family had an extremely troubling personal encounter with a man obsessed with my (and my wife’s) political writing, an encounter that occurred on the heels of angry blog comments that openly wondered about our address. I understand and sympathize with the infantry officer’s lament that he doesn’t want America to be like Iraq, where you carry a gun everywhere, every day, but his lament is irrelevant to my family’s unique challenges. I also understand — just as the cop argues — that a gunfight can be a terrifying, confusing, dangerous affair, but is it more or less terrifying when the criminal is the only one armed? In reality, while mass shootings are exceedingly rare, law-abiding citizens use guns every day to protect themselves from situations less dramatic but no less consequential to their personal safety.

The self-defense experts on the Times editorial board say that I don’t need anything more than a 10-round “clip” to defend my children, my wife, and myself, but the cop on the same page of the paper talks about how even trained professionals can blow through high-capacity magazines in a true firefight. Why don’t we let the citizen decide what he or she needs? A free society trusts its sane, law-abiding citizens to make the right kinds of judgments regarding their own lives. We can’t delegate those judgments to a government that almost always can’t protect us in our moment of maximum need, nor will I sacrifice my family’s safety to a pie-in-the-sky vision of a liberal, gun-free utopia.

In other words: Dear New York Times, don’t tell me how to defend my family.

***

The wise men of Washington tell us that candidates are silent on guns because to speak out is to incur the wrath of the National Rifle Association. But polls consistently show that gun owners, including NRA members, overwhelmingly support the common sense measures that mayors across the country have been trying to get Washington to pass for years…

The NRA is a $200 million-plus-a-year lobbying juggernaut, with much of its funding coming from gun manufacturers and merchandising. More than anything, the NRA is a marketing organization, and its flagship product is fear. Gun sales jumped after Obama was elected president, based on the absurd — and now demonstrably false — fear that he would seek to ban guns.

There is one particular fear the NRA manufactures with great success: fear of electoral defeat. Romney has walked away from the assault-weapons ban he once supported, and in nearly four years, Obama has offered no legislation to rein in illegal guns. In Congress, the NRA threatens lawmakers who fail to do its ideological bidding, although its record in defeating candidates is much more myth than reality.

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By the standards usually set for our politics, the NRA is a model organization. We say we want people more involved in the process. The NRA’s more than 4 million members are highly engaged. The organization’s recent national conference in St. Louis attracted 73,000 people — one of the largest conventions ever held in the city.

We say there’s too much partisanship. Single-mindedly committed to its cause, the NRA endorsed about 60 House Democrats in 2010.

And we say that we value the Constitution. Gun-control advocates, nonetheless, treat the Second Amendment like an “ink blot” (to borrow Robert Bork’s famous phrase for the Ninth Amendment). They consider it an anachronism, an unfortunate lapse by James Madison, a forlorn leftover from the 18th century. They were all duly shocked when the Supreme Court ruled, in its 2008 decision District of Columbia v. Heller, that the Second Amendment protects an individual right to bear arms.

No one, during fair political weather or foul, has been as unstinting in its protection of that right as the NRA. For that, we should be grateful.

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Via Mediaite.

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Your taxes being completeley wasted.

Schadenfreude on July 27, 2012 at 1:00 AM

Dire Straits on July 27, 2012 at 12:34 AM

Thank you.

thatsafactjack on July 27, 2012 at 1:01 AM

Obama is a racist.

Schadenfreude on July 27, 2012 at 1:01 AM

Schadenfreude on July 27, 2012 at 1:00 AM

She went there. :)

Resist We Much on July 27, 2012 at 12:01 AM

Axe on July 27, 2012 at 1:02 AM

TXUS on July 27, 2012 at 12:51 AM

Good tip on the flashlight. A good tactical flashlight is probably the most cost effective non-weapon defensive tool.

novaculus on July 27, 2012 at 1:02 AM

Axe on July 27, 2012 at 12:52 AM

lolz..Gotta love those You Tube comments!..:)

Dire Straits on July 27, 2012 at 1:03 AM

Schadenfreude on July 27, 2012 at 1:01 AM

And an oikophobe!

thatsafactjack on July 27, 2012 at 1:03 AM

thatsafactjack on July 27, 2012 at 1:01 AM

The privilege is all mine!..:)

Dire Straits on July 27, 2012 at 1:05 AM

http://youtu.be/SKzOHemAFPw

Boss

jrsrigmvr on July 27, 2012 at 1:05 AM

Kryptonite

Axe on July 27, 2012 at 1:06 AM

But he did it anyway….
And prepared for the worst….

He protected himself so that he could continue murder..
Just in case a Floridian with a concealed weapon was in the audience..
Or Coloradoan….

Electrongod on July 26, 2012 at 11:50 PM

The thing is that an armed person would at least have had some chance, vs. the no chance the unarmed disarmed victims had. It’s hard to separate reality from media bias, but assuming that he did have on armor, his head was still exposed. Given that he was wearing a gas mask, he further restricted his situational awareness, thus had nowhere near 360 degree situational awareness. So, although the odds weren’t great, it would all have depended upon where the armed Coloradoan(s) happened to be relative to the shooter. If they were right in front of him, sometimes there’s just nothing that can be done, and when the Lord determines it’s your time, it’s your time. However, if the armed citizen were elsewhere, there was a chance.

It seems that the pundits saying that the situation was just too confusing are making the assumption that the armed citizen would have stopped the attack before someone was killed. It’s obvious from the comments of the victims in that theater that there was sufficient time to comprehend what was happening and try to get out of the theater or out of the way. That would have given a possible means for someone to engage.

Of course this is all speculation. Aurora and Cinemark had disarmed the law abiding citizens in that theater, so all of this speculation is purely academic.

I did not realize that Aurora had pre-empted state law. That is disturbing because Colorado recognizes Arizona CCW permits and I was in Colorado that week. When I travel, I carry. Aurora better have signs posted on all of its city limits signs. I’m also assuming that Colorado is taking Aurora to court because it is my understanding that Colorado has a preemption law.

AZfederalist on July 27, 2012 at 1:07 AM

She went there. :)

Resist We Much on July 27, 2012 at 12:01 AM

Axe on July 27, 2012 at 1:02 AM

Thank you Axe. I missed that. She’s brilliant.

He will also establish a huge fund for Latino studies, for those who kind of finish high school but are not ready for college. He’ll ‘make’ them ready.

All this dough is wasted, as so much gets pumped into schools which produce morons. So glad that I went Galt. He s/b pitchforked for buying all the votes with your money.

Schadenfreude on July 27, 2012 at 1:08 AM

“We are taking the law and bending it as far as we can to capture a whole new class of guns.” – Jose Cerada, (White House official who specializes in gun control policy), The Los Angeles Times

“We can’t be so fixated on our desire to preserve the rights of ordinary Americans …” Bill Clinton (USA TODAY, 11 March 1993, page 2A)

“Gun registration is not enough. Waiting periods are only a step. Registration is only a step. The prohibition of private firearms is the goal.” – Janet Reno

“Our main agenda is to have all guns banned. We must use whatever means possible. It doesn’t matter if you have to distort the facts or even lie. Our task of creating a socialist America can only succeed when those who would resist us have been totally disarmed.” Sara Brady, Chairman, Handgun Control, The National Educator, January 1994, Page 3.

“There are those in America today who have come to depend absolutely on government for their security. And when government fails they seek to rectify that failure in the form of granting government more power. So, as government has failed to control crime and violence with the means given it by the Constitution, they seek to give it more power at the expense of the Constitution. But in doing so, in their willingness to give up their arms in the name of safety, they are really giving up their protection from what has always been the chief source of despotism—government. Lord Acton said power corrupts. Surely then, if this is true, the more power we give the government the more corrupt it will become. And if we give it the power to confiscate our arms we also give up the ultimate means to combat that corrupt power. In doing so we can only assure that we will eventually be totally subject to it.” —Ronald Reagan

Speakup on July 27, 2012 at 1:08 AM

novaculus on July 27, 2012 at 12:59 AM

I’ve had very good luck with the Chip McCormick SS 8 round mags. I’ve never had a stovepipe on my Colt Series 80. Had a couple on my Kimber Pro-Carry, using some old beat up mags somebody gave me, till I threw them away. I load 1 round short and try to rotate every 30 days. Any tips on tactical flashlight brand /model?

a capella on July 27, 2012 at 1:09 AM

Axe on July 27, 2012 at 1:06 AM

Nice. Something new for me.

thatsafactjack on July 27, 2012 at 1:10 AM

Gun sales in Colorado skyrocketed the week after the shooting. My wife and I were at a gun show where we live the NEXT day. She commented she had NEVER before seen so many women by themselves (no man with them or advising them) buying handguns.

The SCOAMF and his ilk are going to run into a great big brick wall this November.

I want them spouting EVERY liberal agenda item as much as possible between now and then so every politician in Washington has a CLEAR understanding of what the American public just voted out of power.

PolAgnostic on July 27, 2012 at 12:47 AM

In Florida, there were 7,905 gun-related background checks from July 20 to July 23, a 10 percent increase over the same Friday to Monday period the previous week, according to the Florida Department of Law Enforcement.

At Hyatt Guns, customers were waiting when the retailer opened on July 21, Hyatt said, the day after the shooting. Holmes had a 100-round drum magazine clipped into the Smith & Wesson semi-automatic rifle police say he fired into a crowded theater.

Hyatt said he reassigned gunsmiths and Internet staff to double to 24 the number of employees available to help customers inside the store.

“It’s sad,” Hyatt said. “What we see is a lot of people worried these type incidents will cause more gun laws to be passed.” Source

Flora Duh on July 27, 2012 at 1:11 AM

And an oikophobe!

thatsafactjack on July 27, 2012 at 1:03 AM

Schadenfreude on July 27, 2012 at 1:12 AM

thatsafactjack on July 27, 2012 at 1:10 AM

Really? Cool. :)

I love that song.

Axe on July 27, 2012 at 1:13 AM

Good tip on the flashlight. A good tactical flashlight is probably the most cost effective non-weapon defensive tool.

novaculus on July 27, 2012 at 1:02 AM

Plus, you can easily get them on board a commercial flight, not illegal at all. And, as small as the one I use is, it’s a very good defensive tool for women to carry, especially those not trained in or not comfortable with handgun use.

TXUS on July 27, 2012 at 1:16 AM

Bill Whittle ‘Walking Into Mordor

Schadenfreude on July 27, 2012 at 1:12 AM

I think that its a prerequisite to embrace the ideology….and they run in packs!

thatsafactjack on July 27, 2012 at 1:16 AM

No body armor needed..

But James wore body armor…

Electrongod on July 26, 2012 at 11:18 PM

The wimp wore body armor because he thinks of himself as a hard a$$. The coward could have been brought down through his face mask. Some of that stuff he wore was from a company in Chesterfield, Missouri and locally they were saying it was paintball hardware. Paintball!

Vince on July 27, 2012 at 1:16 AM

Axe on July 27, 2012 at 1:13 AM

REALLY! Thanks. I like it, too.

thatsafactjack on July 27, 2012 at 1:18 AM

Here we go!!..:)

PS..Very good guitar!!..:)

PSS..Happy Birthday Mick..:)

Dire Straits on July 27, 2012 at 1:21 AM

I use McCormick mags too, they are the only ones I have in my carry rotation. Mine are stone reliable, even topped off with eight rounds. When I have a jam nowadays, it is almost always caused by a squib or bad technique on my part.

Hard to go wrong with Surefire.

But this Black Cree looks interesting, and the price is sure right.

novaculus on July 27, 2012 at 1:23 AM

Alive

Axe on July 27, 2012 at 1:25 AM

a capella on July 27, 2012 at 1:09 AM

The tactical flashlight I always carry, in addition to two concealed handguns, is made by Surefire, a P2X Fury Dual Output LED. Very small, very lightweight, and with a blinding 500 Lumens. You can get it on Amazon for about $100 or so. Next best thing to flash bangs.

TXUS on July 27, 2012 at 1:25 AM

Usual statist donk senators seek to amend Cybersecurity bill to ban sale OR POSSESSION of any magazine or feeding device with 10+ capacity

http://thehill.com/video/senate/240657-cybersecurity-bill-includes-gun-control-measure

Fear politicians that fear your guns.

rayra on July 27, 2012 at 1:25 AM

He was 36.

Schadenfreude on July 27, 2012 at 1:26 AM

PSS..Happy Birthday Mick..:)

Dire Straits on July 27, 2012 at 1:21 AM

O wow.

Axe on July 27, 2012 at 1:26 AM

I’ve had very good luck with the Chip McCormick SS 8 round mags. I’ve never had a stovepipe on my Colt Series 80. Had a couple on my Kimber Pro-Carry, using some old beat up mags somebody gave me, till I threw them away. I load 1 round short and try to rotate every 30 days. Any tips on tactical flashlight brand /model?

a capella on July 27, 2012 at 1:09 AM

.
I just bought one of these for my wife – 4Sevens Quark 1232 Premium Cree XP-E R2 Flashlight. It comes with a belt case, a rubber retainer strap you can use if you want, and even a lanyard to hang it around your neck (like when she is walking out to her car in the dark) and just let go of the flashlight without using it.

It is also small and slim enough to just carry it everywhere in your pants pocket.

http://www.opticsplanet.com/4sevens-quark-1232-flashlight.html

Specs

4Sevens Quark 1232 Flashlight Product Info

4Sevens Quark 1232 Flashlight is a durable, multi-function device ready for hours of reliable use. The Quark 1232 from 4Sevens allows you to program both primary and secondary outputs for instant availability, plus a reversible and removable clip for added versatility. 4 Sevens Flashlights Quark 123 2 is impact resistant, waterproof, and a high lumen LED. Check out the full line of 4 Sevens Flashlights for more excellent flash light choices.

The following 4 Sevens Quark Flashlight 1232 models are available:
•FS.Q123-2: Quark 123
•FS.Q123-2-T: Quark 123 Tactical w/ Momentary Activation & Level Memorization

Output Levels and Runtimes + (LED drive current) of 4 Seven Quark TacLight 1 2 3:
•Moonlight: 0.2 lumens for 30 days (1ma)
•Low: 4 lumens for 5 days (10ma)
•Medium: 22 lumens for 20 hours (50ma)
•High: 85 lumens for 4.5 hours (250ma)
•Max: 230 lumens for 1.8 hours (700ma)
•Strobe: 230 lumens for 3 hours
•Beacon: 0-230 lumens pulse for 23 hours

Specifications for 4 Sevens Flashlight Quark1232:

Power:2 CR123A batteries (included)

FS.Q123-2 Output: Maximum – 190 OTF lumens; Moonlight – 0.2 OTF lumens

FS.Q123-2-T Output: Maximum – 230 lumens; Moonlight – 0.2 lumens

Runtime: Maximum – 1.8 hours; Moonlight – 30 days

Strobe: Strobe, S.O.S., and Beacon flash modes

LED Emitter: Premium Cree XP-E R2

Voltage range: 3.0V ~ 9.0V

Dimensions:

Length: 4.5 inches

Diameter: 0.86 inches

Weight: 1.8 ounces

PolAgnostic on July 27, 2012 at 1:26 AM

Van Nuys

Axe on July 27, 2012 at 1:32 AM

Axe on July 27, 2012 at 1:26 AM

I know that was weak..But I like the Stones!..:)

Dire Straits on July 27, 2012 at 1:32 AM

I Got The Blues

Dire Straits on July 27, 2012 at 1:21 AM

Here’s one of my favorite Stone’s tunes for you!

thatsafactjack on July 27, 2012 at 1:33 AM

Must hear.

It gets better with every second.

Schadenfreude on July 27, 2012 at 1:33 AM

There are some serious tunes going on here! :)

I like it!

thatsafactjack on July 27, 2012 at 1:34 AM

TXUS on July 27, 2012 at 1:25 AM

Heh. See my link at 1:23.

novaculus on July 27, 2012 at 1:34 AM

WaPo E.J. Dionne Jr.- Rationalizing gutlessness on guns

wherein a contemptible propagandist shovels orwellian distortions.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/ej-dionne-rationalizing-gutlessness-on-guns/2012/07/25/gJQAdVey9W_story.html?wprss=rss_opinions

“…saner gun regulation… ”
than the 1934 GCA that barred unregulated sale of full-auto machineguns, requiring Federal registration and licensure.
than the 1968 GCA that included entire phrasings from the 1938 Nazi Weapons Law, setting age limits, barring convicted felons and mail-order firearms.
than the 1986 FOPA that capped the supply of machineguns to the civilian population, driving their prices through the roof, out of the range of the common man.
than the Lautenberg Amendment, that stripped 2nd Amendment rights from people on the mere allegation of domestic abuse.

“…more gun deaths…”
wherein Dionne states the US leads in gun deaths, while utterly ignoring that 34 nations have a higher per capita murder rate than the USA. Worse than Russia, Ukraine and Thailand, and all the rest are (mostly latin) nations in our hemisphere.

“statistics for 2003 …”
Goddamned nonsense 9yr-old poll ignoring trends since.

“better gun statutes …”
some 20,000 anti-gun laws on the books across the nation, at nearly every level of governance, with near total regulation and registration of sales. Still not good enough for these totalitarian creeps.

“to ban automatic weapons ”
Once again an illiberal practices a deliberate / ignorant fraud in terminology. AUTOMATIC weapons are those that fire continuously with one pull of the trigger. Illiberals use the term as a fraud to conflate all SEMI-automatic weapons – ie self-loading – with ‘machineguns’ in the minds of the uninformed, ignorant and gullible. They are perpetrating a fraud when they call them ‘automatic’.

“…oversize magazines…”
Hyperbole. Fraud. NORMAL capacity magazines for the types of weapon designs

“100 rounds in 100 seconds?…”
conflated with the above. There is almost no functional difference in the rate of fire of a magazine-fed weapon, whether you use 10rd, 20,rd, 30rd or 100rd magazines. 2hrs practice in exchanging magazines yields a rate of fire that renders their argument utterly moot. search youtube vids of IPSC competition shooters to see for yourself. Furthermore, the quality 100rd mag costs $250. $2.50 per round contained. A quality 30rd mag costs $12. $0.40 per round contained. 6x cheaper. And the knockoff 100rd magazine the recent shooter used JAMMED his gun, actually curtailing the number of rounds he could fire. If he’d been proficient with his chosen firearm, the death toll might have been much higher. If he’d bought quality 30rd mags, he could have carried 250rds instead of the hundred for the same magazine expene.

“assault-weapons ban work?..”
The 1994 AWB did jack squat. No concomitant direct decrease in ANYTHING. The FBI/CDC death rates for military caliber weapons is MINISCULE. More kids drown in tubs, buckets and TOILETS, than are murdered with these calibers. The ’94 AWB elevated the criminalization of the already-illegal act of a prohibited person attempting to purchase a weapons. Thousands of such attempts were detected. The FedGov did not prosecute a single attempt in the 10yrs the AWB was in place. The NON-”assualt weapons” – again a naming fraud perpetrated by statists – were never completely banned during those 10yrs. It is yet another deciet that statists pretend the were. Only certain ‘evil features’ were barred. Weapons manufacturers quickly issued ‘post-ban’ configurations and sales proceeded. The only dent was the 10rd mag limit. And there was NO surge in firearm crime when the ban expired. And no dearth of such magazines DURING the ban. There were already hundreds of thousands of such mags available before the ’94 “ban” was passed. The entire legislation was essentially meaningless. Accomplished nothing.

“up to date on the regulation of firearms…”
More gross dishonesty. New antigun legislation is passed every year, across this nation. These statist creeps want to ban SEMI-automatic and mag-fed weapons. Designs that are over a century old. And do it under the rubric of being ‘current’. Fraud.

“sensible steps to regulate weapons …”
see above. There is no dearth of ‘gun control’ regulation. In fact the ‘sensible steps’ have been the SCOTUS Heller decision. The litany of states that have adopted Shall-Issue CCW permitting. The three states that have joined New Hampshire in removing all permitting requirements for carrying a weapon. And a handful of other precedent-setting cases which rescind the totalitarian gun restrictions against law-abiding citizens in murder-ridden Democrat crapholes like DC, Chicago, Philadelphia, Sacramento, San Francisco, St Louis, etc. Especially the tide of ‘Castle doctrine’ and ‘stand your ground’ legislation that are blowing holes in criminal scum all across this great land.

rayra on July 27, 2012 at 1:34 AM

I know that was weak..But I like the Stones!..:)

Dire Straits on July 27, 2012 at 1:32 AM

lol — totally not weak Dire dude. I’m only paralleling you ’cause I’m in a funky place. :)

Axe on July 27, 2012 at 1:35 AM

Dire too.

SparkPlug on July 27, 2012 at 12:00 AM

Say it ain’t so…

Gohawgs on July 27, 2012 at 12:46 AM

It’s so. He’s a foo. A crazy foo. He’s like a Pistol Shrimp. Except he shoots with the other hand, the one that shakes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8RbYqZnFvE

The Waco Kid.

SparkPlug on July 27, 2012 at 1:37 AM

novaculus on July 27, 2012 at 1:23 AM

Thanks.

a capella on July 27, 2012 at 1:38 AM

For those who might think “How dumb is it to use a flashlight, which could give away your position?”, 500 Lumens is so bright that the shooter has no way to tell where the flash came from. Such illumination works in broad daylight as well. It’s the next best thing to flash bangs, which aren’t exactly easy to conceal, and would be illegal for a civilian to carry anyway.

TXUS on July 27, 2012 at 12:51 AM

Now watch some darnfool politician come up with a reason to ban civilians from carrying “assault flashlights”

AZfederalist on July 27, 2012 at 1:38 AM

Spring compression and spring fatigue are issues for every pistol shooter to understand. I don’t know how many people have told me that modern springs won’t take a set and you can leave mags fully loaded indefinitely. I’ve seen spring fatigue happen often enough to know better. I rotate my carry mags, and part of the rotation is unloaded. Works for me. My stuff is basic but tuned properly for reliability. I rarely have a misfeed or stovepipe, usually go hundreds of rounds between jams.

novaculus on July 27, 2012 at 12:59 AM

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Everyone I have taught how to shoot has asked about leaving magazines loaded for long periods of time.

My answer has always been the same:

If you are not unloading your defensive rounds and practicing with ball ammo from all your magazines – you are not putting enough practice rounds downrange. No, if’s, ands, or buts – practicing with your weapon regularly is a key part of being able to establish you were in control of yourself and the gun, if God forbid, you ever have to kill someone with it – and then defend your having done so.

I only teach people to shoot to kill when they use a gun. There are a lot of reasons why I use that approach but the simplest explanation is also the bottom line. If you don’t have a reason to KILL someone, you don’t have a reason to even point a gun at them.

PolAgnostic on July 27, 2012 at 1:38 AM

thatsafactjack on July 27, 2012 at 1:34 AM

I wouldn’t want to debate you. Your neurons would get mine in a head lock from which there is no escape. I’d have to call in Schad so it would be fair.

SparkPlug on July 27, 2012 at 1:39 AM

Axe on July 27, 2012 at 1:35 AM

I’ve been to Van Nuys lots of times… it not that bad!LOL!

The tunes a little dark, but its pretty good.

thatsafactjack on July 27, 2012 at 1:41 AM

How about this for a grand compromise?

All illegal aliens and all muslims deported in exchange for no magazine above 20 rounds.

VorDaj on July 27, 2012 at 1:43 AM

PolAgnostic on July 27, 2012 at 1:26 AM

The maximum 230 Lumens on the Quark is very good in close range, but I want to completely blind/dishevel the shooter/assailant, day or night and at a longer distance, which is why I went to the 500 Lumens Surefire P2X Fury.

Either tactical flashlight, however, is better than having none, whether you’re carrying handguns or not. Plus, either of these can easily be brought on commercial airlines, legally.

TXUS on July 27, 2012 at 1:43 AM

SparkPlug on July 27, 2012 at 1:39 AM

Thanks!LOL!

You do fine on your own! Just don’t sic one of those Pistol Shrimp on me!

thatsafactjack on July 27, 2012 at 1:43 AM

TXUS on July 27, 2012 at 1:25 AM

PolAgnostic on July 27, 2012 at 1:26 AM

Thank you.

a capella on July 27, 2012 at 1:43 AM

thatsafactjack on July 27, 2012 at 1:33 AM

That is good music..:)

PS..I tip my fedora to your music selection!..:)

Dire Straits on July 27, 2012 at 1:45 AM

How about this for a grand compromise?

All illegal aliens and all muslims deported in exchange for no magazine above 20 rounds.

VorDaj on July 27, 2012 at 1:43 AM

Deal. I hate magazines. Well except for the Sports Illustrated Swim Suit edition. Did you see Kate Upton? I’d like to go 20 rounds with her.

SparkPlug on July 27, 2012 at 1:46 AM

Dire Straits on July 27, 2012 at 1:45 AM

Thank you kind sir! And I you… if I was wearing a fedora! :)

thatsafactjack on July 27, 2012 at 1:46 AM

I know that was weak..But I like the Stones!..:)

Dire Straits on July 27, 2012 at 1:32 AM

Yeah. Sixx did that whole thing at war with heroine — people will comment on it (on ‘tube) and think it’s a drug celebration song — total opposite. The blue eyes, buying and selling each other, dry mouth — porn and music industries. :) He just got tired of seeing his peeps dying (and himself) and decided to go on jihad.

So not as bummer as it immediately appears. Heh.

About to go a little top 40 — Dire may pull my DJ card for this …

Axe on July 27, 2012 at 1:48 AM

Axe on July 27, 2012 at 1:35 AM

I totally understand!!..:)

PS..Here is a tune for you!..:)

PSS..Check out the comments!!..:)

Dire Straits on July 27, 2012 at 1:50 AM

thatsafactjack on July 27, 2012 at 1:46 AM

lolz..:)

Dire Straits on July 27, 2012 at 1:52 AM

Axe on July 27, 2012 at 1:48 AM

No way..Let it rip!..:)

Dire Straits on July 27, 2012 at 1:53 AM

The maximum 230 Lumens on the Quark is very good in close range, but I want to completely blind/dishevel the shooter/assailant, day or night and at a longer distance, which is why I went to the 500 Lumens Surefire P2X Fury.

Either tactical flashlight, however, is better than having none, whether you’re carrying handguns or not. Plus, either of these can easily be brought on commercial airlines, legally.

TXUS on July 27, 2012 at 1:43 AM
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Well, I am in general agreement with the “MORE is BETTER” concept … but my wife “loses” things so regularly (whether mislaid or gone) that she would not accept carrying a $ 100 flashlight.

At what maximum distance are you planning on engaging someone with a flashlight? (I ask because 230 lumens will temporarily blind someone out to 20 yards or so.)

BTW, I also carry a very sharp knife everywhere I go. The gun my be left locked up in my vehicle for some places but the flashlight and the knife go everywhere.

(For the casual reader/lurker – the FIRST rule of a knife fight is EVERYONE ends up BLEEDING – so think long and hard before willfully engaging in a knife fight.)

PolAgnostic on July 27, 2012 at 1:54 AM

Heh. See my link at 1:23.

novaculus on July 27, 2012 at 1:34 AM

The price may be right on the Blue Cree, but way too big to conceal carry. Surefire’s P2X Fury is less than 6 oz. and less than 6″ long, why I went that route.

TXUS on July 27, 2012 at 1:56 AM

How about this?

thatsafactjack on July 27, 2012 at 1:56 AM

It gets better with every second.

Schadenfreude on July 27, 2012 at 1:33 AM

That was nice, Schadenfreude.

Axe on July 27, 2012 at 1:57 AM

PolAgnostic on July 27, 2012 at 1:38 AM

Take a look at my post at 12:45. I think it is a mistake to think in terms of “shooting to kill” from a tactical and a legal standpoint. Any qualms you may have about using deadly force should be resolved before you carry a gun.

I remember when I was pretty young I shot off my mouth to my father about disarming an attacker by shooting them in the hand. I was pretty cocky about my shooting skills, having gotten to be a fair shot with a .22 High Standard Model B.

My dad gave me a funny look and said, “Son, a man worth shooting is a man worth killing.” Later I came to understand that he didn’t mean that I should be trying to kill, but that I should be prepared to do so or leave my gun holstered.

novaculus on July 27, 2012 at 1:57 AM

PS..Here is a tune for you!..:)

PSS..Check out the comments!!..:)

Dire Straits on July 27, 2012 at 1:50 AM

O yeah man! That’s the chord! :)

Axe on July 27, 2012 at 1:58 AM

Since we, in the trucking business, can’t carry a firearm in the truck, period, I bought my wife a nice little toy. It’s a small L.E.D. flashlight. With a twist. Metal prongs on the end that do two things. Punch a hole in you, and delivers a tasty 1,000,000 volts directly into some scumbag. Not quite as good as a pistol, but, mess with her, and you will get the point.

DStreete on July 27, 2012 at 2:01 AM

TXUS on July 27, 2012 at 1:56 AM

Yeah, the Black Cree has some credible looking criticisms in the reviews, too. I was trying to give examples at opposite ends of the price range. The “flash” mode has some intriguing possibilities, though.

novaculus on July 27, 2012 at 2:02 AM

Self Esteem

Axe on July 27, 2012 at 2:04 AM

Blue On Black

Axe on July 27, 2012 at 2:09 AM

http://youtu.be/XM5ga3m3abk

Jack: something a little different, from my cowboy days.
Fred

jrsrigmvr on July 27, 2012 at 2:09 AM

We say there’s too much partisanship. Single-mindedly committed to its cause, the NRA endorsed about 60 House Democrats in 2010.

If the NRA isn’t partisan then they’ll make sure that everybody realizes that Romney’s record as a gun-grabber is greater than Obama’s and that in fact Gary Johnson is the only genuine 2nd amendment supporter of the three of them.

FloatingRock on July 27, 2012 at 2:10 AM

At what maximum distance are you planning on engaging someone with a flashlight? (I ask because 230 lumens will temporarily blind someone out to 20 yards or so.)

BTW, I also carry a very sharp knife everywhere I go. The gun my be left locked up in my vehicle for some places but the flashlight and the knife go everywhere.

(For the casual reader/lurker – the FIRST rule of a knife fight is EVERYONE ends up BLEEDING – so think long and hard before willfully engaging in a knife fight.)

PolAgnostic on July 27, 2012 at 1:54 AM

It’s not the distance so much but the complete flash effect that those extra 300 lumens will give you, while moving to cover/attack mode. I agree that anything over 200 Lumens can work, not sure about a full 20 yards though, but my preference is to completely disorient before engaging.

Your comments about knife fights is so right on, even if the other guy doesn’t have one. Even field dressing a dead deer proves that, and I’ve got the scars to show for it.

TXUS on July 27, 2012 at 2:12 AM

thatsafactjack on July 27, 2012 at 1:56 AM

I like your style kid
Fred

jrsrigmvr on July 27, 2012 at 2:13 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39Xf6XTgohA&feature=fvst

Elvin Bishop – Fooled Around and Fell In Love

SparkPlug on July 27, 2012 at 2:13 AM

Axe on July 27, 2012 at 2:09 AM

Good tune. I like the syncopation.

thatsafactjack on July 27, 2012 at 2:14 AM

jrsrigmvr on July 27, 2012 at 2:13 AM

Thank you. I like the tune, too!

thatsafactjack on July 27, 2012 at 2:15 AM

Axe on July 27, 2012 at 2:04 AM

Thumbs up!..:)

Dire Straits on July 27, 2012 at 2:16 AM

SparkPlug on July 27, 2012 at 2:13 AM

You know, I haven’t heard that in a while… and I always like it. Thanks, SP!

thatsafactjack on July 27, 2012 at 2:19 AM

I used to worry a lot about the fast decision making process on pulling the trigger if I were unlucky enough to be put in that position. I solved that to a large extent by wargaming out every confrontational situation involving myself or a loved one I could envision, and narrowing them down to the 3 or 4 where I would shoot immediately. Example- A home invasion involving a weapon with a threat being made. No thinking. Boom! Someone trying to tie either myself or my wife up. Boom! Carjacking where I am being kidnaped along with my car. Have to wait till perp is distracted and I can draw. Boom! If my life isn’t threatened, I’m not going to draw, therefore I should be able to avoid the legal repercussions we all worry about.. Narrowing it down like that so I can automatically react and be mentally prepared has given me great peace of mind.

a capella on July 27, 2012 at 2:21 AM

Trial by Fire

(More side B, Dire :)

Axe on July 27, 2012 at 2:21 AM

Elvin Bishop – Fooled Around and Fell In Love

SparkPlug on July 27, 2012 at 2:13 AM

O! Forgot about that.

Axe on July 27, 2012 at 2:23 AM

SparkPlug on July 27, 2012 at 2:13 AM

Just letting you know he can do a good song!!..:)

Dire Straits on July 27, 2012 at 2:23 AM

Axe on July 27, 2012 at 2:21 AM

Wow!Excellent guitar.

thatsafactjack on July 27, 2012 at 2:29 AM

Take a look at my post at 12:45. I think it is a mistake to think in terms of “shooting to kill” from a tactical and a legal standpoint. Any qualms you may have about using deadly force should be resolved before you carry a gun.

I remember when I was pretty young I shot off my mouth to my father about disarming an attacker by shooting them in the hand. I was pretty cocky about my shooting skills, having gotten to be a fair shot with a .22 High Standard Model B.

My dad gave me a funny look and said, “Son, a man worth shooting is a man worth killing.” Later I came to understand that he didn’t mean that I should be trying to kill, but that I should be prepared to do so or leave my gun holstered.

novaculus on July 27, 2012 at 1:57 AM

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Re-read your 12:45 post – I am confident we are thinking the same things if not using the same words.

I have always taught center mass whether at 7 yards with a handgun or 100 yards or further with a rifle. My son is very good at one inch groups at 100 yards on paper. When he got cocky one time, we put some one inch targets out at the same 100 yards. He discovered it is a lot easier to hit the one inch mark when you have a lot of leeway than it was to hit just a 1 inch target.

I use the term “shoot to kill” to work on the mind set of the person I am training. I tap them on the head and the heart and remind them both aspects of themselves have to be willing to kill when they need to use a gun … or to do both of us a favor and stop before we go any further.

The other aspect of “shoot to kill” is for them to keep firing until they KNOW their target is no longer a threat. I remind them there have been police officers killed by mortally wounded criminals who were GOING to die from their wounds but were not DEAD yet when the officer treated the criminal as the latter instead of the former.

My other comment on tactical and legal considerations would be to ask if you have ever read Mossad Ayoob’s book on the use of deadly force?

Anyone I have ever trained in any type of self defense, I have always stressed the most important weapons they have – their gut and their mind. If your gut tells you something feels “wrong” that feeling ALWAYS rules over your mind. Then you use your mind to avoid whatever feels wrong.

Some of the guys have responded, “You’re saying run away?”

‘Nope, leave the location as unobtrusively as possible – never turn your back on danger – but leave just as motivated as an 8 year old girl about to shriek from fright.’

“Why?”

‘Because the ONLY good fight is the fight you NEVER had. Even fights you win are going to leave you feeling bad inside … unless you’re a sociopath.’

PolAgnostic on July 27, 2012 at 2:31 AM

a capella on July 27, 2012 at 2:21 AM

Not having it sorted out beforehand can get you killed or prosecuted. I consider two factors, the apparent capacity to do serious bodily harm and the apparent intention to do serious bodily harm. Where both are present I will act immediately or at the first opportunity.

novaculus on July 27, 2012 at 2:32 AM

Dire Straits on July 27, 2012 at 2:23 AM

Smooth. (:

SparkPlug on July 27, 2012 at 2:32 AM

FloatingRock on July 27, 2012 at 2:10 AM

I used to think you were being serious about Gary Johnson. Your posts are really funny.

Rusty Allen on July 27, 2012 at 2:32 AM

Axe on July 27, 2012 at 2:21 AM

Awesome!!..Good one!..:)

PS..Don’t forget the wheel!!..:)

PSS.Good Guitar!..:)

Dire Straits on July 27, 2012 at 2:32 AM

Copperhead Road

Axe on July 27, 2012 at 2:33 AM

Rusty Allen on July 27, 2012 at 2:32 AM

+ 100..:)

Dire Straits on July 27, 2012 at 2:34 AM

thatsafactjack on July 27, 2012 at 2:19 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BCLb21Y7Z8

Simon & Garfunkel – El Condor Pasa (If I Could)

Cool Peruvian wind instruments.

SparkPlug on July 27, 2012 at 2:34 AM

Wow!Excellent guitar.

thatsafactjack on July 27, 2012 at 2:29 AM

lol — please allow me to stop the universe for just a minute and compliment your musical taste. :)

k, continue on.

Axe on July 27, 2012 at 2:35 AM

http://youtu.be/ugxFcmZXDyc

can’t just have 1 zep

jrsrigmvr on July 27, 2012 at 2:35 AM

Axe on July 27, 2012 at 2:33 AM

That is primo work!!..:)

Dire Straits on July 27, 2012 at 2:36 AM

If my life isn’t threatened, I’m not going to draw, therefore I should be able to avoid the legal repercussions we all worry about.. Narrowing it down like that so I can automatically react and be mentally prepared has given me great peace of mind.

a capella on July 27, 2012 at 2:21 AM

You’re absolutely right thinking through those situations ahead of time, and I would also add that you should do a few dress rehearsals of each of the life-threatening situations, gun unloaded of course.

And, as I’ve taught my boys, you never point a gun or rifle at anything, an animal or a person, that you are not ready or need to kill at that very moment. Hence no need to point if you’re life isn’t being threatened, as you noted. They also were taught to treat any weapon they see as loaded and deadly, whether it was one they unloaded and cleaned an hour ago or one pointed at them by anyone.

TXUS on July 27, 2012 at 2:36 AM

Ok the Peruvian song was makin me sleepy.

This one has more zip.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5_QV97eYqM

Simon & Garfunkel – Cecilia

SparkPlug on July 27, 2012 at 2:37 AM

Something a little different

thatsafactjack on July 27, 2012 at 2:38 AM

Axe on July 27, 2012 at 12:34 AM

Thank you, Axe, for reading and responding so thoughtfully. This is the first time I’ve recounted that sad chapter of my life online. It helps knowing there’s good people like you out there who won’t judge someone who admits to having had such a problem before.

Hawkins1701 on July 27, 2012 at 2:39 AM

Axe on July 27, 2012 at 2:35 AM

LOL! Noted!

thatsafactjack on July 27, 2012 at 2:39 AM

jrsrigmvr on July 27, 2012 at 2:35 AM

Excellent!!!..:)

PS..Can I add another??..:)

Dire Straits on July 27, 2012 at 2:40 AM

Anyone I have ever trained in any type of self defense, I have always stressed the most important weapons they have – their gut and their mind. If your gut tells you something feels “wrong” that feeling ALWAYS rules over your mind. Then you use your mind to avoid whatever feels wrong.

Some of the guys have responded, “You’re saying run away?”

‘Nope, leave the location as unobtrusively as possible – never turn your back on danger – but leave just as motivated as an 8 year old girl about to shriek from fright.’

“Why?”

‘Because the ONLY good fight is the fight you NEVER had. Even fights you win are going to leave you feeling bad inside … unless you’re a sociopath.’

PolAgnostic on July 27, 2012 at 2:31 AM

Wise words, indeed.

TXUS on July 27, 2012 at 2:40 AM

SparkPlug on July 27, 2012 at 2:37 AM

Made me laugh! NO SLEEPING!

thatsafactjack on July 27, 2012 at 2:41 AM

PolAgnostic on July 27, 2012 at 2:31 AM

Awareness of suroundings and individuals. I always scope out mall parking lots before we go out with a bag full of purchases. Park close in, if possible. Try to shop during daylight hours. I always stay away from the building when walking around a corner or past an alley. Always try to sit with back to wall in a dining establishment. I stay away from high density population areas if I can. Stay out of taverns and potential trouble spots.

a capella on July 27, 2012 at 2:41 AM

SparkPlug on July 27, 2012 at 2:37 AM

Awesome!..Keep it going!!..:)

Dire Straits on July 27, 2012 at 2:43 AM

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