Important update on Chicago values: Non-inclusive Chick-fil-A out …

posted at 10:01 am on July 26, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

Allahpundit scoffed last night at Rahm Emanuel’s notion of “Chicago values,” which for most people will be forever declared by Sean Connery inThe Untouchables:

The mayor insisted that Christians who believe in a biblical definition of marriage don’t fit into Emanuel’s vision for “Chicago values,” even though the owners of Chick-fil-A don’t discriminate in employment or service.  So what does fit into Emanuel’s idea of “Chicago values”?  Daniel Halper of the Weekly Standard found it in the pages of the Chicago Sun-Times — on the very day Emanuel pronounced Chick-fil-A not inclusive enough to be, er, included:

Ignoring Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan’s history of anti-Semitic remarks, Mayor Rahm Emanuel on Wednesday welcomed the army of men dispatched to the streets by Farrakhan to stop the violence in Chicago neighborhoods.

Ald. Debra Silverstein (50th), an Orthodox Jew, has said it’s good that Farrakhan is “helping” in the fight against crime, “but it doesn’t eradicate the comments that he’s made about the Jewish community.”

Emanuel offered no such caveat. Although Farrakhan has a history of making anti-Semitic statements, Chicago’s first Jewish mayor has no interest in revisiting that controversy.

So, let’s make sure we have this correct.  A business owned by a devout Christian family that does not engage in any kind of discrimination has no place in Emanuel’s “Chicago values,” but Emanuel rolls out the red carpet for perhaps the most well-known anti-Semite in the nation?

That’s the Chicago way.

Update: Question from the comments: “Does Farrakhan believe in gay marriage?” Why, no … no he doesn’t:

Update: Good for Glenn Greenwald:

It’s always easy to get people to condemn threats to free speech when the speech being threatened is speech that they like. It’s much more difficult to induce support for free speech rights when the speech being punished is speech they find repellent. But having Mayors and other officials punish businesses for the political and social views of their executives — regardless of what those views are — is as pure a violation of the First Amendment’s guarantee of free speech as it gets, and beyond that, is genuinely dangerous.

If you support what Emanuel is doing here, then you should be equally supportive of a Mayor in Texas or a Governor in Idaho who blocks businesses from opening if they are run by those who support same-sex marriage — or who oppose American wars, or who support reproductive rights, or who favor single-payer health care, or which donates to LGBT groups and Planned Parenthood, on the ground that such views are offensive to Christian or conservative residents. You can’t cheer when political officials punish the expression of views you dislike and then expect to be taken seriously when you wrap yourself in the banner of free speech in order to protest state punishment of views you like and share. Free speech rights means that government officials are barred from creating lists of approved and disapproved political ideas and then using the power of the state to enforce those preferences.

As always, the solution to noxious ideas like the ones from this chicken CEO are to rebut them, not use state power to suppress them. The virtue of gay equality has become increasingly recognized in the U.S. because people have been persuaded of its merits, not because state officials, acting like Inquisitors, forced people to accept it by punishing them for their refusal. Perhaps Rahm Emanuel is motivated by beneficent ends, or maybe he’s motivated by political considerations and a love of his own power, but either way, abusing his power to punish views he dislikes is at least as offensive as — and definitely more dangerous than — the targeted views themselves.

Greenwald and I rarely agree on policy, but he’s spot-on here. I would be just as opposed to Greenwald’s counterfactual here as I am to the actions of Emanuel and Boston mayor Tom Menino. But in Emanuel’s case, his embrace of the noted anti-Semite Farrakhan and his more vocal activism in opposition to gay marriage simply exposes a rank hypocrisy that reminds us why government shouldn’t be in the business of setting religious/political tests for people to do business.


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C’mon, bigots; man up and defend your fellow bigot!

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CurtZHP on July 26, 2012 at 10:07 AM

LOL…good one. Real trolls have no logic to defend this. Hypocrisy has their thinking locked in a vice~grip of ignorance.

DevilsPrinciple on July 26, 2012 at 11:14 AM

My problem with Chick-Fil-A literally has nothing to do with what Dan Cathy said, or the fact that Chick-Fil-A is personally against gay marriage.

My problem with them comes from the fact that, every single year, they donate millions of dollars to political organizations which go far, far beyond wanting to simply prevent gay marriage.

One organization that Chick-Fil-A donates to is Exodus International, an organization that spends millions of dollars each year spreading misinformation about how homosexuals can be “cured” of their homosexuality via Christian conversion therapies, therapies that have proven to be ineffective, and in some cases, can actually cause mental harm to someone.

Another organization that Chick-Fil-A donates to is the Family Research Council-an organization which spreads completely false and dis-proven information about gays.

The FRC claims that homosexuality is a mental disease, that homosexuals have a higher chance of molesting children than heterosexuals, that homosexuality can be cured, and that anti-gay bullying programs in public schools are secretly being used as a way to “recruit” teenagers into becoming gay.

All of these claims are completely, 100% false, and have been proven to be false by several major medical and psychological organizations such as the American Psychological Association.

Disagreeing with gay marriage is one thing-but going around claiming that gays are mentally diseased pedophiles who need to be cured is going entirely too far.

theoddmanout on July 26, 2012 at 11:15 AM

Hog Butcher for the World,
Tool Maker, Stacker of Wheat,
Player with Railroads and the Nation’s Freight Handler;
Stormy, husky, brawling,
City of the Big Shoulders:
They tell me you are wicked and I believe them, for I have seen your painted women under the gas lamps luring the farm boys.
And they tell me you are crooked and I answer: Yes, it is true I have seen the gunman kill and go free to kill again.
And they tell me you are brutal and my reply is: On the faces of women and children I have seen the marks of wanton hunger.
And having answered so I turn once more to those who sneer at this my city, and I give them back the sneer and say to them:
Come and show me another city with lifted head singing so proud to be alive and coarse and strong and cunning.
Flinging magnetic curses amid the toil of piling job on job, here is a tall bold slugger set vivid against the little soft cities;
Fierce as a dog with tongue lapping for action, cunning as a savage pitted against the wilderness,
Bareheaded,
Shoveling,
Wrecking,
Planning,
Building, breaking, rebuilding,
Under the smoke, dust all over his mouth, laughing with white teeth,
Under the terrible burden of destiny laughing as a young man laughs,
Laughing even as an ignorant fighter laughs who has never lost a battle,
Bragging and laughing that under his wrist is the pulse, and under his ribs the heart of the people, Laughing!
Laughing the stormy, husky, brawling laughter of Youth, half-naked, sweating, proud to be Hog Butcher, Tool Maker, Stacker of Wheat, Player with Railroads and Freight Handler to the Nation.

plewis on July 26, 2012 at 11:16 AM

theoddmanout on July 26, 2012 at 11:15 AM

So, they’re not entitled to try to save people from what they consider to be a lifestyle contrary to Christian belief?

kingsjester on July 26, 2012 at 11:18 AM

Chicago values extend to CA

a capella on July 26, 2012 at 11:24 AM

theoddmanout on July 26, 2012 at 11:15 AM

Yeah, how dare Chick-Fil-A provide their own money to organziations that some people disagree with.

It would be much better if they did what the government does, provide MY money to organzations that many people disagree with. Like Planned Parenthood.

Flora Duh on July 26, 2012 at 11:25 AM

theoddmanout on July 26, 2012 at 11:15 AM

So don’t eat there.

TeresainFortWorth on July 26, 2012 at 11:26 AM

Laughing the stormy, husky, brawling laughter of Youth, half-naked, sweating, proud to be Hog Butcher, Tool Maker, Stacker of Wheat, Player with Railroads and Freight Handler to the Nation.

plewis on July 26, 2012 at 11:16 AM

Carl Sandberg

TwilightAuthor on July 26, 2012 at 11:28 AM

If I were a resident of the newly formed region known as Chicakistan, I would be more concerned about Islam’s tendency to execute gay peoople than a fried chicken joint sticking to its Christian principles. Oh, and hide your pork products. After they clear the area of gays, they’ll be coming for those, too.

jakev on July 26, 2012 at 11:29 AM

Let me get this straight. Corporations are, in fact, “people”. Beheading gays is OK but not believing in same-sex marriage means you can’t get a license to open a business in Chicago. (Chicago has a political views test on their business applications? No wonder businesses are fleeing the state).

Nuts. These people are irrational nuts. Are any Christians found within Chicago’s borders going to be fed to the Bears?

Portia46 on July 26, 2012 at 11:31 AM

All of these claims are completely, 100% false, and have been proven to be false by several major medical and psychological organizations such as the American Psychological Association.

theoddmanout on July 26, 2012 at 11:15 AM

LOL.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on July 26, 2012 at 11:36 AM

Islamic bigots work since they are killing Christians elsewhere in the world.

Hening on July 26, 2012 at 11:39 AM

theoddmanout on July 26, 2012 at 11:15 AM

You may make the point that in making contributions to certain organizations Chick-Fil-A may be misguided but Farrakhan and his organization is a bit more than misguided.

Wow. Just wow. We are well and truly through the looking glass. Bow ties, suits and jackboots for all my friends – no chicken sandwiches though. No doubt the bow tie army will remain on the streets through the election to ‘help’ police the polls.

Trolls = crickets…

ghostwalker1 on July 26, 2012 at 11:39 AM

LOL.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on July 26, 2012 at 11:36 AM

Only one word, three letters, and already I can tell that you are one of “those” types of SoCons who takes a fancy to paranoid conspiracy theories about the APA.

theoddmanout on July 26, 2012 at 11:40 AM

By pointing out this hypocrisy, a Lefty I know is accusing me of wanting to ban someone for his religious beliefs while not wanting to punish CFA for its supposed “discrimination”.

They want to ban something, yet I am the one accused of wanting to ban something.

The brainwashing on the Left is complete.

mankai on July 26, 2012 at 11:41 AM

Disagreeing with gay marriage is one thing-but going around claiming that gays are mentally diseased pedophiles who need to be cured is going entirely too far.

theoddmanout on July 26, 2012 at 11:15 AM

You mean like the Catholic priests and Sandusky? Who, BTW, are perfectly normal according to the NAMBLA-supporting Obama Safe School Czar who also wants to teach 5 year olds about the finer points of sodomy and fisting.

Portia46 on July 26, 2012 at 11:41 AM

Talk about talking out of both sides of their mouth.

Louis Farrakhan, the race baiter, has accused the Jews of killing Christ, of controlling assets given to black neighborhoods, and everything else you could expect and anit-semetic to believe.

Chicago values?

You can keep them.

itsspideyman on July 26, 2012 at 11:41 AM

Drudge hit upon this irony this morning with one of his frequently seen juxtapositions:

Rahm Rejects CHICK-FIL-A: ‘Not Chicago Values’…
[picture of Emanuel looking thoughtful]
GODFATHER WELCOMES FARRAKAHN

apostic on July 26, 2012 at 11:42 AM

American Psychological Association.

theoddmanout on July 26, 2012 at 11:15 AM

Er, the American Psychological Association is pushing the idea that there’s nothing at all wrong with pedophelia. It’s like being blond or blue-eyed. Perfectly “normal”.

Portia46 on July 26, 2012 at 11:44 AM

It would be much better if they did what the government does, provide MY money to organzations that many people disagree with. Like Planned Parenthood.

Flora Duh on July 26, 2012 at 11:25 AM

Now Flora. There you go again making things perfectly clear.

oldroy on July 26, 2012 at 11:45 AM

Only one word, three letters, and already I can tell that you are one of “those” types of SoCons who takes a fancy to paranoid conspiracy theories about the APA.

theoddmanout on July 26, 2012 at 11:40 AM

By the way, you are aware that the APA admitted that the “Gay Gene” has never been found?

Per Gallup, 78% of Americans proclaim Jesus Christ as their Savior.

5% of Americans identify themselves as Homosexual.

And, only a small percentage of Homosexual Americans are “activists”.

…I believe they’re outnumbered.

kingsjester on July 26, 2012 at 11:45 AM

The LGBT community is calling for a boycott (is that being discriminatory, shouldn’t it be humancott). Good idea. Let’s put them out of business so all the employees lose their jobs. Who cares if they can’t feed their families and can’t afford a place to live. We don’t agree with a comment the owner made so will show him by putting all the people who work for them on the streets. Who cares if it doesn’t affect you personally. I guess the word compassion is not in the LGBT handbook.

bandutski on July 26, 2012 at 11:46 AM

So the Far Left Lunatics that complained about the criticism about the Ground Zero Mosque are complaining about CHICK-FIL-A.

Continuing evidence that liberals get crazier by the year.

sentinelrules on July 26, 2012 at 11:46 AM

Screwy Louie must make one heII of a chicken sandwich I suppose.

Bmore on July 26, 2012 at 11:47 AM

Only one word, three letters, and already I can tell that you are one of “those” types of SoCons who takes a fancy to paranoid conspiracy theories about the APA.

theoddmanout on July 26, 2012 at 11:40 AM

You’re an idiot if you think you can state “completely, 100% false, and have been proven to be false” and appeal to the APA and other medical orgs. I don’t think you understand the meanings of “completely”, “100%”, “proven” or “false” in any way. To call your ridiculous statement hyperbole would be an insult to hyperbole. Otherwise, I would just say, “The lady doth protest too much, methinks.”

Homosexuality is deviance. Obviously. Those same orgs you appeal to hysterically would turn around and tell you that most behavior and personality is genetic and can be changed through genetics. Further, if you knew anything about psychology (not psychiatry, since anyone can be drugged into just about any state) you would know that most of clinical psychology is a total joke that has been shown (not proven, but shown) to be almost completely ineffective and a waste. The only field of clinical psych that has ever shown any effectiveness at all is behaviorism. But you wouldn’t want to know what a behaviorist might say about your cherished homosexual deviance and whether it can be changed … No. You certainly don’t want to know anything about that.

Get a brain.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on July 26, 2012 at 11:48 AM

Disagreeing with gay marriage is one thing-but going around claiming that gays are mentally diseased pedophiles who need to be cured is going entirely too far.

theoddmanout on July 26, 2012 at 11:15 AM

Gays are deviants and it cannot be denied no matter how much you want to believe otherwise.

Disagreeing with gay marriage is one thing-but going around claiming that gays are mentally diseased pedophiles

Er,.. excuse me by definition SOME pedophiles ARE gay because they want sex with underage minors of the same sex. So to a degree you’re correct, but not entirely. Regardless, YOU and Mr. Cathy ARE entitled to express your beliefs. What makes this country great is that we have a birthright that addresses and permits this.

You are NOT permitted however, to deny the rights of others to express their beliefs regardless of how much you may dislike what they say or do OR the vehicle they employ to do so.

Get over yourself.

DevilsPrinciple on July 26, 2012 at 11:53 AM

“Moreno said he has been working on traffic issues for nine months with Chick-fil-A executives.

Nine months to discuss traffic issues with a Chicago alderman?

aquaviva on July 26, 2012 at 11:53 AM

This is proof-positive that what matters to the left, what they will not only tolerate but welcome and affirm, is the presence of a group that, while explicitly rejecting their values, nevertheless makes an impressive show of force and determination. Rahm Emmanuel knows that he cannot fight Farrakhan and his legions, so he welcomes them.

The lesson here is that if you want to oppose the left and be taken seriously by them and not be bullied, be genuinely threatening. If the Pope was deploying modern-day Templar Knights in American cities, then the Catholic Church would be more respected. If they were actively conducting the kind of Inquisition that liberals have nightmares about, then they would not be pariahs, but would be respectable foreign dignitaries. If Christians of all varieties marched through the streets demonstrating a militant attitude, there would be no jokes told about them and they would not be portrayed as hypocrites, fools and psychos in the media. And no one would be suggesting denying them business licenses because of their opinions.

Now of course, this would never happen and no one should want it to happen, but it is instructive to note that the left values only two kinds of people – those who obsequiously obey them and those who do not obey them but appear capable of kicking their behinds. Those who do not obey but do not threaten are fair game for harassment and destruction.

dkmonroe on July 26, 2012 at 11:55 AM

my problem with Chick Fil A is that they put too damn much ice in my lemonade at the drive thru……

/issues.

ted c on July 26, 2012 at 11:57 AM

By the way, you are aware that the APA admitted that the “Gay Gene” has never been found?

Per Gallup, 78% of Americans proclaim Jesus Christ as their Savior.

5% of Americans identify themselves as Homosexual.

And, only a small percentage of Homosexual Americans are “activists”.

…I believe they’re outnumbered.

kingsjester on July 26, 2012 at 11:45 AM

You enjoy Gallup polls? What a coincidence, so do I! Here are a bunch of polls that I think you will just absolutely love:

http://www.gallup.com/poll/1651/gay-lesbian-rights.aspx

You’re an idiot if you think you can state “completely, 100% false, and have been proven to be false” and appeal to the APA and other medical orgs. I don’t think you understand the meanings of “completely”, “100%”, “proven” or “false” in any way. To call your ridiculous statement hyperbole would be an insult to hyperbole. Otherwise, I would just say, “The lady doth protest too much, methinks.”

Homosexuality is deviance. Obviously. Those same orgs you appeal to hysterically would turn around and tell you that most behavior and personality is genetic and can be changed through genetics. Further, if you knew anything about psychology (not psychiatry, since anyone can be drugged into just about any state) you would know that most of clinical psychology is a total joke that has been shown (not proven, but shown) to be almost completely ineffective and a waste. The only field of clinical psych that has ever shown any effectiveness at all is behaviorism. But you wouldn’t want to know what a behaviorist might say about your cherished homosexual deviance and whether it can be changed … No. You certainly don’t want to know anything about that.

Get a brain.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on July 26, 2012 at 11:48 AM

Hmm…so when I say things like “the claim that homosexuality is a mental disease has been proven to be 100% false”, I am a moron who is using hyperbole. But when you say things like “Homosexuality is deviance. Obviously.” you are an enlightened individual who knows the real truth behind everything. How ironic. I hate to rain on your parade, but, to this date, there has not been a single peer-reviewed scientific study that has demonstrated that a person’s sexual orientation can be changed through any type of therapy. There is no major medical, psychological, psychiatric, or scientific organization in the entire country whom agrees with the idea that a person’s sexual orientation can be changed via conversion therapy.

theoddmanout on July 26, 2012 at 11:57 AM

Did I read upthread a post about paranoia and conspiracies based on a three letter response (laughter, actually)?

anuts on July 26, 2012 at 11:59 AM

Hey dere youz guyz. We don wan no conditusahanel rights here dat nobody sent.

GreenBlade on July 26, 2012 at 12:01 PM

theoddmanout

It’s important for you to be ‘odd’ isn’t it?

faraway on July 26, 2012 at 12:02 PM

Liberals don’t truly want tolerance and fairness. They want to be the ones to define the terms, then work from there to alter and apply as the need arises.

Liam on July 26, 2012 at 12:02 PM

theoddmanout on July 26, 2012 at 11:57 AM

Until the early 80s, Homosexuality was in textbooks used in colleges teaching “The Scoialogy of Deviant Behavior”. Then, the Liberals took over the Sociology Departments.

Face it, Skippy, Liberals only comprise 19% of America’s Population. Homosexuals are 5%. Christians are 78%. Conservatives are 40%.

And, there is no such thing as a “Gay Gene”.

kingsjester on July 26, 2012 at 12:02 PM

theoddmanout on July 26, 2012 at 11:57 AM

Until the early 80s, Homosexuality was in textbooks used in colleges teaching “The Scoialogy of Deviant Behavior”. Then, the Liberals took over the Sociology Departments.

Face it, Skippy, Liberals only comprise 19% of America’s Population. Homosexuals are 5%. Christians are 78%. Conservatives are 40%.

And, there is no such thing as a “Gay Gene”.

kingsjester on July 26, 2012 at 12:02 PM

Nowhere near 5%, more like two or three.

slickwillie2001 on July 26, 2012 at 12:05 PM

I hate to rain on your parade, but, to this date, there has not been a single peer-reviewed scientific study that has demonstrated that a person’s sexual orientation can be changed through any type of therapy.

theoddmanout on July 26, 2012 at 11:57 AM

Just wondering… What about through abuse?

Fallon on July 26, 2012 at 12:07 PM

Something to remember…

Obama became a Member of the Illinois Senate (from the 13th District) on January 8, 1997.

In his first year of elected office, Obama voted “present” a lot, but one thing that was a priority for Obama, one thing he made sure to introduce, was SR0110 to declare November 1, 1997 to be South Shore Islamic Community Center Day.

ITguy on July 26, 2012 at 12:08 PM

Hmm…so when I say things like “the claim that homosexuality is a mental disease has been proven to be 100% false”, I am a moron who is using hyperbole. But when you say things like “Homosexuality is deviance. Obviously.” you are an enlightened individual who knows the real truth behind everything. How ironic.

A determination of deviance is a simple matter of numbers and utility you blithering idiot.

I hate to rain on your parade, but, to this date, there has not been a single peer-reviewed scientific study that has demonstrated that a person’s sexual orientation can be changed through any type of therapy. There is no major medical, psychological, psychiatric, or scientific organization in the entire country whom agrees with the idea that a person’s sexual orientation can be changed via conversion therapy.

theoddmanout on July 26, 2012 at 11:57 AM

Peer-reviewed … by the mental midgets in the psychological and psychiatric fields … Okey doke. You know what?

LOL!

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on July 26, 2012 at 12:08 PM

Isn’t it funny how Libs, who claim to be the most tolerant of us all, are actually the least tolerant among us?

kingsjester on July 26, 2012 at 10:29 AM

All their talk is a farce. Simply an attempt to hijack the right words and try to use them to manipulate the clueless masses with emotional insanity.

yhxqqsn on July 26, 2012 at 12:08 PM

Nowhere near 5%, more like two or three.

slickwillie2001 on July 26, 2012 at 12:05 PM

I thought they were only on TV.

faraway on July 26, 2012 at 12:08 PM

Until the early 80s, Homosexuality was in textbooks used in colleges teaching “The Scoialogy of Deviant Behavior”. Then, the Liberals took over the Sociology Departments.

Face it, Skippy, Liberals only comprise 19% of America’s Population. Homosexuals are 5%. Christians are 78%. Conservatives are 40%.

And, there is no such thing as a “Gay Gene”.

kingsjester on July 26, 2012 at 12:02 PM

Ah yes, the classic paranoid SoCon conspiracy theory of “The gay lobby/mafia took over the APA and FORCED them to remove homosexuality from the list of mental diseases!!!!!!!!!”. It amuses and tickles me to no end to see people cling so desperately to such nonsense, just to try and convince themselves that they are right and everyone else is wrong.

theoddmanout on July 26, 2012 at 12:09 PM

Go figure a crazy hater like farakhan opposes gay marriage. Most blacks do also. They probably oppose abortion also. Yet they vote for a spineless,in over his head, never worked a day in his life, baby killing empty suit ……Go figure…And they call us racists……

crosshugger on July 26, 2012 at 12:12 PM

I sure hope the libs know what they are doing with all this boycott stuff. You know, left leaning businesses are probably not very comfortable with this either. It’s one thing when consumers boycott based on their personal beliefs, that is the price of freedom. However, when politicians use their power to destroy a business based on their personal beliefs, that is the abuse of power. How about putting it up for a vote either in a townhall meeting or on the ballot and letting the people decide? Isn’t that the democratic way? Naw, we all know it would never fly if you had to get a majority.

lea on July 26, 2012 at 12:12 PM

theoddmanout on July 26, 2012 at 12:09 PM

Ah, yes.
The typical Clueless Liberal snobbery…a denial of reality, because a) they’ve never left their Mom’s Basement, borough, or college dormroom, b) their mind can’t handle the fact that they’re outnumbered, c) they believe everything their president and the Liberally-controlled MSM tell them.

Take your condescension and place it where the sunshine will never touch it again, useless.

Face it, the pedulum has swung to the right. Go try and have lunch at a Chick-Fil-A today…if Mom will give you the money.

kingsjester on July 26, 2012 at 12:14 PM

Was this “army of men” deputized by Marshall Rahm like in the Old West?

Bitter Clinger on July 26, 2012 at 10:14 AM

Yes, they are all wearing a yellow Star of David on their sleeves for easier identification.

riddick on July 26, 2012 at 12:14 PM

But having Mayors and other officials punish businesses for the political and social views of their executives — regardless of what those views are — is as pure a violation of the First Amendment’s guarantee of free speech as it gets, and beyond that, is genuinely dangerous

Needs to be emphasized. It demonstrates a troubling development that this kind of thing isn’t cause for immediate social censure and ostracization. A state executive wielding this abuse of power would, in a sane world, be persona non grata.

And they let Farrakhan’s goons have any lawful authority at all? You think they’ll willingly give it back? Ever?

Insane.

Cleombrotus on July 26, 2012 at 12:15 PM

You moron liberals and obamabots should be so proud……

ultracon on July 26, 2012 at 12:15 PM

The virtue of gay equality has become increasingly recognized in the U.S. because people have been persuaded of its merits, not because state officials, acting like Inquisitors, forced people to accept it by punishing them for their refusal.

Glenn Greenwald and Ed Morrissey are both out of their E’ffing minds if they even remotely believe this to be true. Same Sex Marriage and homosexuality have in fact been forced upon a population that found them repugnant by exactly the means that Greenwald claims they were not. Having made this statement which is so profoundly dishonest I can never take anything Greenwald say as truthful again. And quite honestly, my respect for Ed Morrissey has taken a rather profound hit.

SWalker on July 26, 2012 at 12:17 PM

wait a minute here. the great city of chicago is welcoming nation of islam men into neighborhoods to stop the violence????

really??
last i checked isn’t that the job of the police force?

jetch on July 26, 2012 at 12:17 PM

Allahpundit scoffed last night at Rahm Emanuel’s notion of “Chicago values,” which for most people will be forever declared by Sean Connery inThe Untouchables

Chicago is also the birthplace of the Communist Party USA, so it’s not surprising there is a lack of logic in its Mayor’s rhetoric.

Buy Danish on July 26, 2012 at 12:17 PM

Black Muslims prohibit gay members.

pat on July 26, 2012 at 12:17 PM

theoddmanout on July 26, 2012 at 11:57 AM

I have the “adultery gene.” I told my wife it’s OK if I practice adulterous behavior because I can’t help that I’m attracted to women other than her.

“It’s not a choice, I was made this way!”

She just doesn’t get it.

mankai on July 26, 2012 at 12:18 PM

Peer-reviewed … by the mental midgets in the psychological and psychiatric fields … Okey doke. You know what?

LOL!

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on July 26, 2012 at 12:08 PM

Wow, yet another conspiracy theory? One about how psychologists and psychiatrists are actively working together to suppress studies that prove that homosexuality is a choice? My, I am actually very impressed by your active imagination. Truly you are a beacon of intelligence for your cause.

Ah, yes.
The typical Clueless Liberal snobbery…a denial of reality, because a) they’ve never left their Mom’s Basement, borough, or college dormroom, b) their mind can’t handle the fact that they’re outnumbered, c) they believe everything their president and the Liberally-controlled MSM tell them.

Take your condescension and place it where the sunshine will never touch it again, useless.

Face it, the pedulum has swung to the right. Go try and have lunch at a Chick-Fil-A today…if Mom will give you the money.

kingsjester on July 26, 2012 at 12:14 PM

A conspiracy theorist? Accusing me of being in denial of reality? The irony is so thick you could cut through it with a butter knife! Run along now, go and play with the 9/11 truthers and the Moon Landing denial enthusiasts. I’m sure you all will get along fabulously!

theoddmanout on July 26, 2012 at 12:18 PM

theoddmanout on July 26, 2012 at 12:18 PM

What conspiracy have I mentioned, Captain Queeg (look it up)?

Your attempts at egocentric dismissal are laughable.

Does Mom have your spaghettios ready for lunch, yet?

kingsjester on July 26, 2012 at 12:22 PM

How about putting it up for a vote either in a townhall meeting or on the ballot and letting the people decide? Isn’t that the democratic way? Naw, we all know it would never fly if you had to get a majority.

lea on July 26, 2012 at 12:12 PM

That’s un-Constitutional, as well. Private property rights and all. Communities can object to types of businesses but not to the lawful opinions and/or promotions of business owners engaging in legitimate businesses (as per the community standards) on private property.

We are not a Democracy. We’re a Constitutional Republic and the federal Constitution guarantees a Republican form of governance for every state. States can stretch this to be near-Democracies, but they are not allowed to blithely trample private property rights no matter how insane their citizenry might be.

Life, Liberty, and Property.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on July 26, 2012 at 12:22 PM

Ah yes, the classic paranoid SoCon conspiracy theory of “The gay lobby/mafia took over the APA and FORCED them to remove homosexuality from the list of mental diseases!!!!!!!!!”. It amuses and tickles me to no end to see people cling so desperately to such nonsense, just to try and convince themselves that they are right and everyone else is wrong.

theoddmanout on July 26, 2012 at 12:09 PM

It really doesn’t matter what a liberal mind believes, yours in this case, liberalism is as much a disease as is homosexuality. Our DNA is programmed in a certain way for CORRECT operations, life style choice (homosexuality) is not a “programmed” behavior, but one outside the norm. There is absolutely no difference between homosexuality and beastiality, both are abnormal in their nature and our openly communist academia prefer one and not the other. Strange how so called “science” works…

riddick on July 26, 2012 at 12:23 PM

Hey, theoddmanout:

Sodomites can be set free from their aberration by the Power of the Blood of Jesus Christ. Sin is a spiritual thing; while a mental choice is made, the spirit behind all sin is Satan. Psychobabblers have no understanding of spiritual matters, and they can’t “prove” anything in the spirit realm. Only those with the Spirit of Truth alive in them through the New Birth have access to His enlightening work. The unsaved are spiritually dead and have no spiritual understanding. Any sinner can be set free by repenting (changing the mind) and calling upon Jesus for deliverance. Sodomites can be forgiven their sin and set free to be normal — if they want to be set free.

You would do well to say nothing about things of which you are ignorant.

“Chicago values” includes hosting the sodomite Olympics and putting on sodomite pride marches – as if they were wholesome events to be proud of. Exalting sodomites brings a curse upon the society that does so; see Genesis, Chapter 19 for details. And when you see America’s Sodom and Gomorrah literally go up in smoke, you will learn what God thinks of sodomite “marriages” (google A.C. Valdez for details). Chicago’s “values” are cursed.

Gordy on July 26, 2012 at 12:26 PM

I can’t help but wonder what Slats Grobnik would have to say about this if he were still with us.

BlueStateExpat on July 26, 2012 at 12:27 PM

What conspiracy have I mentioned, Captain Queeg (look it up)?

Your attempts at egocentric dismissal are laughable.

Does Mom have your spaghettios ready for lunch, yet?

kingsjester on July 26, 2012 at 12:22 PM

What conspiracy have you mentioned? Oh, I don’t know, maybe it was when you insinuated that the only reason homosexuality isn’t considered a mental disease any longer is because liberals “infiltrated” all scientific, medical, psychological, and psychiatric institutions and then conspired together to cover up and lie about how homosexuals are mentally diseased perverts. So, like I said, hop on over to a 9/11 truther forum and you can all have a wonderful discussion about how you all know the “real” truth that is being covered up.

theoddmanout on July 26, 2012 at 12:28 PM

Wow, yet another conspiracy theory?

You really are about as stupid as they come. Calling psychologists and psychiatrists “mental midgets” is not a conspiracy theory, you mental midget.

One about how psychologists and psychiatrists are actively working together to suppress studies that prove that homosexuality is a choice? My, I am actually very impressed by your active imagination. Truly you are a beacon of intelligence for your cause.

theoddmanout on July 26, 2012 at 12:18 PM

You have no clue about fads and fashion in these fields, I see. You really don’t know much. Tell me, how many studies were done at the onset of the AIDs problem about anal sex and its role in propagating the disease? I’ll give you three guesses.

Then you can explain to me whatever happened to the warning that AIDs was going to become a heterosexual epidemic – which was eventually walked back as it was utter and complete bullsh!t. Your vaunted medical and psychological geniuses pretty much chewed the pooch on that one. I would love to have seen your asinine arguments back then, too. There were peer-reviewed studies about that, too … before they were quietly forgotten. You were probably warning everyone how AIDs was going to sweep the heterosexual population (not just women who were taking it up the squeaker by bis and those they were doing it with after).

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on July 26, 2012 at 12:30 PM

theoddmanout on July 26, 2012 at 12:28 PM

Excuse me? Go to any major University and ask those in the Socialogy Department what their political ideology is, and their sexual orientation. Denial is not just a river in Egypt.

So…is Mom serving plain spaghettios, spaghettios with meatballs, or spaghettios with weinies?

kingsjester on July 26, 2012 at 12:32 PM

the solution to noxious ideas like the ones from this chicken CEO

Noxious? Not caving in to the “it’s the 21st century” way of determining morality is noxious? Because that about sums up the reason people are given for rejecting traditional morality, based on biblical truth, in existence for the past 3 or 4 thousand years and embracing whatever the most recent “this is what’s right and good now because we in power have decided it” morality.

yhxqqsn on July 26, 2012 at 12:32 PM

Just further reason that the government should get out of the marriage business completely.

Animal60 on July 26, 2012 at 12:34 PM

You have no clue about fads and fashion in these fields, I see. You really don’t know much. Tell me, how many studies were done at the onset of the AIDs problem about anal sex and its role in propagating the disease? I’ll give you three guesses.

Then you can explain to me whatever happened to the warning that AIDs was going to become a heterosexual epidemic – which was eventually walked back as it was utter and complete bullsh!t. Your vaunted medical and psychological geniuses pretty much chewed the pooch on that one. I would love to have seen your asinine arguments back then, too. There were peer-reviewed studies about that, too … before they were quietly forgotten. You were probably warning everyone how AIDs was going to sweep the heterosexual population (not just women who were taking it up the squeaker by bis and those they were doing it with after).

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on July 26, 2012 at 12:30 PM

So, let me see if I understand: now you are claiming that both the medical and scientific communities in the entire country were both conspiring together to actively ignore and oppress peer-reviewed studies that linked gay sex to AIDs, as well as intentionally lying to people about how AIDs could become an epidemic in the straight community, to make the gay community look better?

You cannot possibly be serious. You simply can’t be. Nobody can be this detached from reality and so engrossed in their own fantasy land. I honestly would not be surprised if you started claiming that AIDs was God’s punishment to the gay community, or some other completely batshit insane idea such as that.

theoddmanout on July 26, 2012 at 12:40 PM

Wow, yet another conspiracy theory? One about how psychologists and psychiatrists are actively working together to suppress studies that prove that homosexuality is a choice? My, I am actually very impressed by your active imagination. Truly you are a beacon of intelligence for your cause.

Ah, yes.
The typical Clueless Liberal snobbery…a denial of reality, because a) they’ve never left their Mom’s Basement, borough, or college dormroom, b) their mind can’t handle the fact that they’re outnumbered, c) they believe everything their president and the Liberally-controlled MSM tell them.

Take your condescension and place it where the sunshine will never touch it again, useless.

Face it, the pedulum has swung to the right. Go try and have lunch at a Chick-Fil-A today…if Mom will give you the money.

kingsjester on July 26, 2012 at 12:14 PM

A conspiracy theorist? Accusing me of being in denial of reality? The irony is so thick you could cut through it with a butter knife! Run along now, go and play with the 9/11 truthers and the Moon Landing denial enthusiasts. I’m sure you all will get along fabulously!

theoddmanout on July 26, 2012 at 12:18 PM

Oh, how cute. You mean that after years and years of trying, throwing more money at it and everything they can scientists still cannot prove that homosexuality is not a life style choice. Only demented liberal mind can even fathom calling it a conspiracy theory. Actually it is, come to think of it, conspiracy on the communist academia’s part to convince anyone with a brain that homosexuality is not a disease when if fact, it is nothing but a deviant behavior not programmed into our DNA. Care to explain how is it that homosexuality is so prevalent in western societies who give in to this stupidity (freedom to do anything I want!) and still thought to be abhorrent in the rest of the world? Actually, homosexuality is only tolerated in a few countries around the globe, even Eastern Europe, as educated as is the West (and maybe even more so) still treats homosexuality as what it really is: A DISEASE.

I really don’t give carp about someone’s life style choice, not my business, but I do resent the fact it is stuck in my face, day after day, and forced onto children starting in elementary school.

riddick on July 26, 2012 at 12:43 PM

So, let me see if I understand: now you are claiming that both the medical and scientific communities in the entire country were both conspiring together to actively ignore and oppress peer-reviewed studies that linked gay sex to AIDs, as well as intentionally lying to people about how AIDs could become an epidemic in the straight community, to make the gay community look better?

theoddmanout on July 26, 2012 at 12:40 PM

It’s called … PEER-pressure, you moron, along with their general political leanings.

But, find me the studies and provide a couple of links. I’ll wait. It shouldn’t be that difficult, seeing as anal sex was the main transmission mechanism for AIDs. You should be able to find tons of studies from the 80s and 90s investigating this. MAIN TRANSMISSION MECHANISM.

If you can’t find them, them do us all a favor and STFU.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on July 26, 2012 at 12:47 PM

as well as intentionally lying to people about how AIDs could become an epidemic in the straight community, to make the gay community look better?

theoddmanout on July 26, 2012 at 12:40 PM

You don’t remember those dire warnings? Convenient amnesia, there.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on July 26, 2012 at 12:48 PM

So, let’s make sure we have this correct. A business owned by a devout Christian family that does not engage in any kind of discrimination has no place in Emanuel’s “Chicago values,” but Emanuel rolls out the red carpet for perhaps the most well-known anti-Semite in the nation?

Let’s not forget that it isn’t just Jews who are hated and abused by radical Islamists. The rabid ones stand for the MURDER of gays.
So, here we’ve got a chicken restauranteur who will sell a sandwich or give a job to a homosexual, but personally believes in traditional Christian marriage and says so. But he’s the bad guy. Really?

Greenwald and I rarely agree on policy, but he’s spot-on here.

Greenwald is hardly a hero for arriving, quite begrudgingly, at the only legal answer available. ” …Noxious ideas like the ones from this chicken CEO”…??? In case the moron didn’t notice, the radical Islamist KILLS these people.

Murf76 on July 26, 2012 at 12:50 PM

theoddmanout on July 26, 2012 at 12:40 PM

Hey genius. I’ll take word from anyone in the highly acclaimed Russian Akademia of Science over any hack in USA paid for by the government money and told up front what their “research” should really be saying (wink, wink, you know what I mean, right, or we can hire someone else tomorrow). Russians were the skeptical ones when it came to “climate change” BS, they started the initial wave to fight back this stupidity and you know why I believe them and not hacks on USA/UN payroll? Because unlike these paid hacks Russians have absolutely nothing to sell me, while USA/UN do.

And Akademia of Science says, clearly enough, homosexuality is abnormal behavior. End of story.

riddick on July 26, 2012 at 12:51 PM

All of these claims are completely, 100% false

theoddmanout on July 26, 2012 at 11:15 AM

Your certainty is dangerous, scary, misguided, ignorant, ill-informed, bigoted, and prejudiced. I don’t understand how anyone so closed-minded and pig-headed can engage in an honest intellectual discussion about anything.

Paul-Cincy on July 26, 2012 at 12:56 PM

oddballout, still waiting for those studies … anal sex … MAIN TRANSMISSION MECHANISM …

I’ll make it easier for you, find a study discussing the prevalence of AIDs in Africa and the “coincidental” prevalence of anal sex among heterosexuals (for birth control and just part of many cultures, there). That shouldn’t be too difficult. I mean, we all know about the studies of circumcision and prevention of AIDs for Africans. The anal sex studies can’t be too far away from them. After all, with all the billions of dollars that have gone into AIDs there, these studies must be all over the place, especially as it is prevalent among heterosexuals there. There must be studies examining why, exactly. The peerage wouldn’t let you down on that, I wouldn’t think.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on July 26, 2012 at 12:59 PM

Your certainty is dangerous, scary, misguided, ignorant, ill-informed, bigoted, and prejudiced. I don’t understand how anyone so closed-minded and pig-headed can engage in an honest intellectual discussion about anything.

Paul-Cincy on July 26, 2012 at 12:56 PM

Since when has the advocacy of homosexuality ever been about an honest intellectual discussion?

SWalker on July 26, 2012 at 12:59 PM

oddballout must still be searching for all those peer-reviewed studies of anal sex and AIDs …

… still searching …

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on July 26, 2012 at 1:20 PM

I have the “adultery gene.” I told my wife it’s OK if I practice adulterous behavior because I can’t help that I’m attracted to women other than her.

“It’s not a choice, I was made this way!”

She just doesn’t get it.

mankai on July 26, 2012 at 12:18 PM

When I tried using Clinton’s new definition of what is and isn’t sex so I could go play with interns, my wife didn’t buy it either….
She said I would get the Dick Armey response.
Do you remember that story?

dentarthurdent on July 26, 2012 at 1:21 PM

Ed (and agrees with) quotes Greenwald making this intellectually dishonest assertion:

The virtue of gay equality has become increasingly recognized in the U.S. because people have been persuaded of its merits, not because state officials, acting like Inquisitors, forced people to accept it by punishing them for their refusal.

And then, someone pokes Ed’s eye out by putting this in the headlines.

Rod Dreher
Bonfire of the Chick-fil-A

Listen, pro-gay folks: this kind of thing is why many Christians and other social conservatives fear what’s coming. It is not enough for many on your side to achieve your goals of legal equality. You seek to destroy anybody who dissents, including ruining them professionally. And you have the mainstream media on your side.

SWalker on July 26, 2012 at 1:22 PM

I have always been fascinated by the assertion that homosexuality must be genetically-based. Genetic differences only perpetuate themselves if they confer some sort of adaptive or reproductive advantage, and offhand I cannot think of a mutation that fits that description less than “the gay gene”. Unless there’s a “jumps out of planes without a parachute gene” that I don’t know about, that is.

HTL on July 26, 2012 at 1:26 PM

So, let me see if I understand: now you are claiming that both the medical and scientific communities in the entire country were both conspiring together
theoddmanout on July 26, 2012 at 12:40 PM

You don’t know the medical and scientific(including psychiatry and sociology in those…sort of) very well do you? There have been many claims by both communities that can be called conspiracies…eugenics for one.

Deanna on July 26, 2012 at 1:27 PM

Loving. My Chix sandwich right this very moment as I visit ATL,mmmmm…
I’ll avoid commenting on Emmanuel’s hypocrisy because there are not enough hours in the day.
Go Cathy.

seesalrun2 on July 26, 2012 at 1:54 PM

Being Prejudiced against ANY ethnic group or sub-category is perfectly tolerable, . . . IF . . .

. . . the group showing the prejudice does not have any Caucasian (Cracker) males in it.

listens2glenn on July 26, 2012 at 2:17 PM

I just want to know here all the Hot Arians who come to debate the wonderfulness of gay marriage are? Remember the ones who said things like thins can NEVER happen to religious people… If this is happening now in Illinois when ssm isn’t even legal yet, what happens when it becomes legal..

melle1228 on July 26, 2012 at 2:24 PM

I find the opinions of Chick-Filet management to be deplorable. I find Chi-town’s mayor to be infinitely worse. The reason we have rights is to protect liberties that are unpopular or out of power. We don’t need protection to say things that those in power and in the majority approve of. We need protections for those whose speech that many of us and those in power may disapprove of!

MJBrutus on July 26, 2012 at 2:28 PM

Ah yes, the classic paranoid SoCon conspiracy theory of “The gay lobby/mafia took over the APA and FORCED them to remove homosexuality from the list of mental diseases!!!!!!!!!”. It amuses and tickles me to no end to see people cling so desperately to such nonsense, just to try and convince themselves that they are right and everyone else is wrong.

theoddmanout on July 26, 2012 at 12:09 PM

You mean the same APA that are pushing that pedophilia is a srxual orientation and not a mental disease?

People like you are just useful idiots for the government. “As long as I get what I want from the government I will turn a blind eye to tyranny against other groups.” It is people like you that allow dictators to come to power..

melle1228 on July 26, 2012 at 2:29 PM

I just want to know here where all the Hot Arians who come to debate the wonderfulness of gay marriage are? Remember the ones who said things like thins things can NEVER happen to religious people… If this is happening now in Illinois when ssm isn’t even legal yet, what happens when it becomes legal..

melle1228 on July 26, 2012 at 2:24 PM

My eyes are acting up right now.. I have to enlarge my screen apparently.

melle1228 on July 26, 2012 at 2:33 PM

Well, this is all very interesting, but the fact of the matter is, God will bless Chick-fil-A and any business that upholds His standards and honors Him, despite the efforts of the enemies of righteousness to destroy said business.

On the other hand, just watch Sears, Penney’s, Target, and all the other companies that promote the sodomite agenda go down the tubes. Several companies are using high-profile degenerates as their spokesmen (and women) in TV advertising, a great way to seduce, defile, and corrupt American children. Rubbing decent faces in the filth of the wicked will cost these companies, and the ones who made the decisions to do so will stand before the Lord and account for their wickedness.

Lest you call me a “homophobe,” I’m not afraid of ANY devil; I cast them out in the Name of Jesus. If any sodomite wants to be set free, I’ll be glad to cast that unclean spirit out of you.

Gordy on July 26, 2012 at 3:27 PM

Doesn’t Rahmbo have enough problems on his plate to stir up a stink with a chicken sandwich company? He’s got gang bangers killin’ kids every day, ‘kay. He must not have a problem with dat since he’s not really doin’ anything ’bout it and neither will his new BFF, Loonie Louie.

Kissmygrits on July 26, 2012 at 3:28 PM

Hadn’t tried Chick-fil-a, now on the top of my list for lunch. Nothing to do with gays, everything to do with opposing bullies.

StevC on July 26, 2012 at 3:42 PM

He’s got gang bangers killin’ kids every day, ‘kay.

Kissmygrits on July 26, 2012 at 3:28 PM

Not much different than Planned Parenthood, just at different stage of one’s life.

riddick on July 26, 2012 at 3:44 PM

Farrakhan believes in gay marriage?
faraway on July 26, 2012 at 10:10 AM

I wish someone would pose that conundrum to Rhammie.

In his 13 months in office, Mayor Rahm Emanuel dissolved the decades-old Advisory Council on LGBT Issues, dismissed the LGBT liaison to the city and ended the tradition of holding a mayor’s Pride reception.

Akzed on July 26, 2012 at 10:19 AM

Yes, but NOW Obama is trying for relection.

Lourdes on July 26, 2012 at 4:15 PM

I have always been fascinated by the assertion that homosexuality must be genetically-based. Genetic differences only perpetuate themselves if they confer some sort of adaptive or reproductive advantage, and offhand I cannot think of a mutation that fits that description less than “the gay gene”. Unless there’s a “jumps out of planes without a parachute gene” that I don’t know about, that is.

HTL on July 26, 2012 at 1:26 PM

Hehehe, excellent comments. :)

Lourdes on July 26, 2012 at 4:16 PM

I have always been fascinated by the assertion that homosexuality must be genetically-based. Genetic differences only perpetuate themselves if they confer some sort of adaptive or reproductive advantage, and offhand I cannot think of a mutation that fits that description less than “the gay gene”. Unless there’s a “jumps out of planes without a parachute gene” that I don’t know about, that is.

HTL on July 26, 2012 at 1:26 PM

Hehehe, excellent comments. :)

Lourdes on July 26, 2012 at 4:16 PM

There’s been no investigation into the possibility of a retrovirus. Which retrovirii are known to modify the behaviors of their (ongoing) hosts. Just saying, it’s quite possible.

Lourdes on July 26, 2012 at 4:18 PM

Gordy on July 26, 2012 at 12:26 PM

Also excellent comments.

Lourdes on July 26, 2012 at 4:27 PM

Update: Question from the comments: “Does Farrakhan believe in gay marriage?” Why, no … no he doesn’t:

He doesn’t believe in interracial marriage either.

Dr Evil on July 26, 2012 at 4:40 PM

Step 1: Government decides to block commercial action of anyone with “wrong” religious values.
Step 1a: Government “de facto” only allows the “right” religious values to have any commercial applications; and therefore ability to live in the area.

Step 2: Theocracy.

So the LGBT supporters are pushing for something that will directly lead to Theocracy. How can it not?

Have they thought this through at all? Or is there some Theocratic benefit for LGBT members in a Theocracy?

How well do LGBT members do in Theocracies currently in existence in the world? Do they really want to be beheaded or stoned to death once this has a significant effect on the nation (decades, probably multiple generations, but still)?

Or am I missing some clever maneuver here they’re expecting to save them?

What is the “clever” reason for pushing for government sponsorship of religion and Theocracy from the LGBT movement?

gekkobear on July 26, 2012 at 4:48 PM

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