Obama: Hey, Romney’s taking my “you didn’t build that” line out of context

posted at 11:21 am on July 24, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

How can you tell when a campaign knows it has stepped into quagmire?  It shifts to defense and starts complaining about context.  After several days of attempting to defend his “you didn’t build that” remark, Barack Obama shifted last night to a defense that originated with some of his on-line apologists — that Mitt Romney took his remark out of context:

The president, after taking a few-day hiatus from campaigning along with Romney out of respect for the victims of the Colorado mass shooting, set out on a round of fundraisers where he tried again to douse the still-simmering controversy over his ill-phrased remarks on business in America.

Speaking in Oakland Monday night, he said Romney knowingly “twisted my words around” to imply he didn’t care about small business.

The fundraiser remarks marked the latest effort by the Obama campaign to claim Romney pulled his quote out of context. The Obama campaign released a web video titled “Tampered” on Monday that made the same point.

However, the campaign did not initially mount this argument. In the days immediately following the comments, in which the president suggested businesses owe their success in large part to government, the campaign defended the president’s remarks — without claiming they were taken out of context.

Jen Rubin writes this morning that the campaign has run off the rails:

How did Obama get so cross-wise with public opinion and wind up at odds with one of the most popular institutions in America? Well, he became convinced he had to personally destroy Romney. He thereby let the anti-business assaults become the campaign. Meanwhile, his affection for government become a chip on his shoulder, prompting him to dare those private-sector wise guys to deny the centrality of government in their success. Yikes.

The Obama people argue simultaneously that he was taken out of context and that his denigration of individual effort is still valid. (“You didn’t get there on your own. I’m always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something – there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there.”) A more skilled politician like Bill Clinton could pull that off, but Obama? I doubt it.

He better hope undecided voters aren’t paying so much attention. Otherwise, his anti-business animus could well be his undoing.

As Romney pointed out yesterday in an interview with CNBC, the context Obama claims makes the quote even worse:

“The context, he says, you know, you think you’ve been successful because you’re smart, but he says a lot of people are smart. You think you’ve been successful because you work hard, a lot of people work hard. This is an ideology which says hey, we’re all the same here, we ought to take from all and give to one another and that achievement, individual initiative and risk-taking and success are not to be rewarded as they have in the past,” Romney said. “It’s a very strange and in some respects foreign to the American experience type of philosophy.”

It’s actually even worse than that.  The context which Obama claims is that he was talking about small business owners not building the infrastructure, not their businesses.  But who pays for infrastructure?  Government doesn’t pull the money off the magic trees of the Progressive Sunshine Forest; they take capital from taxpayers, either current or (increasingly) future taxpayers.  Small businesses generate a large amount of that tax base, thanks to the point-of-sale transactions conducted and the labor they use, as well as property taxes and the like.  If anyone should get credit for the infrastructure for successful markets, it’s the small businessman.  Even in context, Obama and Elizabeth Warren treat small businesses like parasites rather than the foundation for the economy which makes all their beloved infrastructure possible at all.

Michael Ramirez turns his expert eye on this particular aspect of the context, and identifies with his Pulitzer Prize-winning skill who the real parasites are:

Also, be sure to check out Ramirez’ terrific collection of his works: Everyone Has the Right to My Opinion, which covers the entire breadth of Ramirez’ career, and it gives fascinating look at political history.  Read my review here, and watch my interviews with Ramirez here and here.  And don’t forget to check out the entire Investors.com site, which has now incorporated all of the former IBD Editorials, while individual investors still exist.

And a heads-up — Ramirez will have a new book out soon.  We’ll have more on that later this summer.


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And Obama didn’t say he saw dead people in his Memorial Day audience either. Except maybe from the neck up. Context is so important.

MrKleenexMuscles on July 24, 2012 at 12:14 PM

Who built the rails?

Bmore on July 24, 2012 at 12:14 PM

heh!

ted c on July 24, 2012 at 12:14 PM

“I serve as a blank screen on which people of vastly different political stripes project their own views.”

Taking him out of context is how voters decided to elect him in the first place.

de rigueur on July 24, 2012 at 12:15 PM

So… was Obama saying that businessowners DO build their own businesses, so they DO deserve to keep the fruits of their own labor?

Or is this “explanation” just more of the standard cycle of liberal DoubleSpeak, going round and round in endless circles, trying to constantly recite Communist dogma, but claim that it somehow isn’t really Communism?

logis on July 24, 2012 at 12:15 PM

Its hard to be taken out of context when you are just saying what you think is the truth. Or having accidental incidents with the truth like SloJoe Biden.

Perhaps what Biden has is a contagious disease and Obama has caught it.

ajacksonian on July 24, 2012 at 12:15 PM

Send this around and inform people how Mr. Psycho Delusional lies.

Schadenfreude on July 24, 2012 at 12:17 PM

The true context of Obama’s remarks:

Program of the Communist Party USA
The Road to Socialism USA:
Unity for Peace, Democracy, Jobs and Equality

Seriously. Obama truly believes and clings to this worldview…

Only socialism has the solutions to the problems of capitalism in this country.

ITguy on July 24, 2012 at 12:17 PM

It is too bad Obama doesn’t take his own medicine. The president’s use of the personal pronoun in reference to anything remotely positive that’s happened within his presidency is becoming legendary.

If small business owners didn’t build “that,” then he didn’t personally capture Bin Laden, save the world from a worse recession, single-handedly save the healthcare system, etc, etc.

I’ll won’t hold my breath waiting for him to credit others on whose work he stands, unless it is GW’s economy.

STL_Vet on July 24, 2012 at 12:20 PM

If anyone should get credit for the infrastructure for successful markets, it’s the small businessman. Even in context, Obama and Elizabeth Warren treat small businesses like parasites rather than the foundation for the economy which makes all their beloved infrastructure possible at all.

boom!

put some ice on that, champ.

ted c on July 24, 2012 at 12:20 PM

Obama speaks what he really thinks when he goes off script…

Dangerous times, and a dangerous man in the White House… it is time for him to go away…

Khun Joe on July 24, 2012 at 12:21 PM

This is the point I made to Little Lester yesterday. Obama’s quote is really much worse in context.

Chuck Schick on July 24, 2012 at 12:22 PM

How can you tell when a campaign knows it has stepped into quagmire? It shifts to defense and starts complaining about context.

…but only when it first can’t blame George W. Bush.

Schadenfreude on July 24, 2012 at 12:22 PM

Apparently, Team Liar is stuck in whiny little biotch mode.

JohnGalt23 on July 24, 2012 at 12:23 PM

CK had well written piece on this about a week ago. Roads and bridges are constants for everyone (that taxpayers also pay for). It’s the individual achievements above and beyond using the same old road, doing the same old thing that make this country so extraordinary. And yes, we do it for fame and fortune and because some of us are compelled to.
Someone posted this on HA a few days ago regarding the Olympics and achievement: Yes, Mrs. Phelps drove her son to the swimming pools but she didn’t swim for him.

gracie on July 24, 2012 at 12:23 PM

As the weeping, bewildered grandfather in “Moonstruck” says:

I’m confused.

tree hugging sister on July 24, 2012 at 12:23 PM

Obama thinks that we will love the real him more when he tells us who he really is. It’s all he’s got and it just ain’t working.

BetseyRoss on July 24, 2012 at 12:25 PM

BetseyRoss on July 24, 2012 at 12:25 PM

yep. He’s gonna have more “flexibility” after the election!

screwauger on July 24, 2012 at 12:27 PM

This morning I was awoken by my alarm clock powered by electricity generated by the public power monopoly regulated by the US Department of Energy. I then took a shower in the clean water provided by the municipal water utility. After that, I turned on the TV to one of the FCC regulated channels to see what the National Weather Service of the National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration determined the weather was going to be like using satellites designed, built, and launched by the National Aeronautics and Space Administration. I watched this while eating breakfast of US Department of Agriculture inspected food and taking the drugs which have been determined as safe by the Food and Drug Administration.

At the appropriate time as regulated by the US Congress and kept accurate by the National Institute of Standards and Technology and the US Naval Observatory. I get into my National Highway Traffic Safety Administration approved automobile and set out to work on the roads built by the local, state, and federal departments of transportation, possibly stopping to purchase additional fuel of a quality level determined by the Environmental Protection Agency, using legal tender issued by the Federal Reserve bank. On the way out the door I deposit any mail I have to send via the US Postal Service and drop the kids off at the public school.

After work, I drive my NHTSA car back home on the DOT roads, to a house which has not burned down in my absence because of the state and local building codes and fire marshal’s inspection, and which has not been plundered of all it’s valuables thanks to the local police department.

I then log on to the internet which was developed by the Defense Advanced Research Projects Administration and post on freerepublic.com and Fox News forums about how SOCIALISM in medicine is BAD because the government can’t do anything right.

Typhonsentra on July 24, 2012 at 12:28 PM

“Instead of roads and bridges, Obama-sized government funds stasis and sclerosis: The Hoover Dam of regulatory obstruction, the Golden Gateway to dependency. Last month, 80,000 Americans signed on to new jobs, but 85,000 Americans signed on for Social Security disability checks. Most of these people are not “disabled” as that term is generally understood. Rather, it’s the U.S. economy that’s disabled, and thus Obama incentivizes dependency. What Big Government is doing to those 85,000 “disabled” is profoundly wicked…”

http://www.ocregister.com/opinion/obama-364707-build-golden.html

workingclass artist on July 24, 2012 at 12:28 PM

Boy is the lsm pushing the ‘mitt is taking obama out of context’ meme
highlarious

cmsinaz on July 24, 2012 at 12:29 PM

Coming right after weeks of Bain attacks, his remarks suggested he has issues with wealth creation in general.

Heh, Jen Rubin…the sun rose in the East today, really.

Of course he has issues, unless it’s his own power and wealth.

Schadenfreude on July 24, 2012 at 12:31 PM

“You didn’t build that, someone else made that happen” needs to be played on a loop 24/7.

Own it, Libtards!

St Gaudens on July 24, 2012 at 12:31 PM

If everybody uses and has the same access to bridges, roads, power lines, water systems, sewers and schools and all that…what is it that allows a lot of folks starting in their garage or kitchen table to build wealth and yet, a lot of others, a whole lot of others, using the same infrastructure, to be constantly dependent on welfare and other government programs designed decades and decades ago to eradicate poverty?

coldwarrior on July 24, 2012 at 12:32 PM

Typhonsentra on July 24, 2012 at 12:28 PM

But you still have to deposit your government check in a private bank.

Chuck Schick on July 24, 2012 at 12:34 PM

Don’t miss the HA commenter Zombie’s take.

Schadenfreude on July 24, 2012 at 12:37 PM

BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA JR AND ELIZABETH WARREN BOTH ARGUE THAT INDIVIDUALS OWE THEIR SUCCESS TO “THE COMMONS” BECAUSE WITHOUT RULE OF LAW, INFRASTRUCTURE, ETC AMERICA WOULDN’T BE A HOSPITABLE PLACE TO DO BUSINESS.

BOSTON HERALD:
Elizabeth Warren yesterday came to the defense her former boss President Obama’s controversial statement that businesses’ owners can’t take credit for their success, repeating her own campaign line that, “nobody got rich on their own.”
Warren’s reiteration of her statement — which became an iconic and controversial cornerstone of her campaign — comes as conservatives have leapt on Obama for saying “If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen.”
Warren said during a campaign stop in Dorchester yesterday, “I think the basic notion is right. Nobody got rich on their own. Nobody. People worked hard, they build a business, God bless, but they moved their goods on roads the rest of us helped build, they hired employees the rest of us helped educate, they plugged into a power grid the rest of us helped build,” she said.
“The rest of us made those investments because we wanted businesses to flourish, we wanted them to grow, we wanted them to create opportunity for all of us. That’s what we do together. We get richer as a country when we make those investments.”
THIS IS A HOLLOW STRAW MAN ARGUMENT:

NOBODY ON THE RIGHT WANTS TO ERADICATE THE RULE OF LAW OR INFRASTRUCTURE. NOBODY ON THE RIGHT WANTS TO END ALL “THOSE INVESTMENTS”.

IT’S NOT THE PHYSICAL ENGINEERING WE OBJECT TO.

IT’S THE SOCIAL ENGINEERING WE OBJECT TO.

AND THE NOTION THAT BECAUSE WE ALL BENEFIT FROM THE RULE OF LAW AND INFRASTRUCTURE THAT THE GOVERNMENT IS ENTITLED TO TAKE AS MUCH AS THEY WANT OF WHAT INDIVIDUALS EARN.

THIS NATION WAS FOUNDED UPON THE NOTION THAT GOVERNMENT SHOULD BE LIMITED AND OPERATE ONLY WITH THE CONSENT OF THE GOVERNED – AND THAT INCLUDES TAXES.

THE UNREAD, 2000+ PAGE OBAMACARE LAW AND THE 2000+ PAGE DODD-FRANK LAW – AND EVERY PENNY OF THE SO-CALLED “GREEN ECONOMY” LOANS – ALL VIOLATE THAT COMPACT.

THEY DIMINISH OUR LIBERTY AS THEY INCREASE THE SIZE AND POWER OF THE GOVERNMENT, AND – IN THE CASE OF THE “GREEN” LOANS AND “GREEN LAWS” – DECREASE THE GENERAL WELFARE BY HURTING THE GENERAL POPULACE – (BY WASTING DEAR FUNDS AT A TIME WHEN WE ARE ALREADY IN TOO MUCH DEBT, AND INCREASING THE COST OF ENERGY FOR EVERYONE) – IN ORDER TO ASSIST A FEW OF THEIR CRONIES AND FINANCIAL SUPPORTERS.

OBAMA AND WARREN ARE INTELLECTUALLY DISHONEST WHEN THEY MAKE THESE STRAW MAN ARGUMENTS.

OBAMA AND WARREN CANNOT ARGUE FROM THE TRUTH AND WITHOUT EMPLOYING LOGICAL FALLACIES – LIKE THE STRAW MAN ARGUMENT – BECAUSE THEIR TRUE POLITICAL PHILOSOPHY IS ANTI-AMERICAN AND COMPLETELY DISCREDITED AND MORALLY AND POLITICALLY BANKRUPT.

YES: ANTI-AMERICAN: SOCIALISM REQUIRES AN INVASIVE AND POWERFUL AND ANTI-LIBERTARIAN CENTRAL GOVERNMENT, AND THAT TYPE OF GOVERNMENT IS DIAMETRICALLY OPPOSED TO THE TYPE OF GOVERNMENT OUR FOUNDERS FOUGHT FOR AND DESIGNED.

reliapundit on July 24, 2012 at 12:41 PM

I’m glad to see that the lightweight is juxtaposed with George Washington, a guy who marched…

ted c on July 24, 2012 at 12:14 PM

Now, now, Ted, are you claiming that Obama didn’t “take of his bedroom slippers and put on his marching shoes“?

lol

Resist We Much on July 24, 2012 at 12:41 PM

I love the life vest in the cartoon. good stuff.

tommer74 on July 24, 2012 at 12:44 PM

Chuck Schick on July 24, 2012 at 12:34 PM
Which in turn is there because bank runs don’t happen anymore thanks to the FDIC.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Deposit_Insurance_Corporation

Typhonsentra on July 24, 2012 at 12:46 PM

Darth Obama claiming his words were twisted…what a hoot, we all know his words were accurately relayed, it’s just that his words are twisted, and people know it and he hates it that people know it.

Up yours, Darth!

insidiator on July 24, 2012 at 12:46 PM

I then log on to the internet which was developed by the Defense Advanced Research Projects Administration and post on freerepublic.com and Fox News forums about how SOCIALISM in medicine is BAD because the government can’t do anything right.

Typhonsentra on July 24, 2012 at 12:28 PM

It’s an urban legend that the government launched the Internet. The myth is that the Pentagon created the Internet to keep its communications lines up even in a nuclear strike. The truth is a more interesting story about how innovation happens—and about how hard it is to build successful technology companies even once the government gets out of the way.

For many technologists, the idea of the Internet traces to Vannevar Bush, the presidential science adviser during World War II who oversaw the development of radar and the Manhattan Project. In a 1946 article in The Atlantic titled “As We May Think,” Bush defined an ambitious peacetime goal for technologists: Build what he called a “memex” through which “wholly new forms of encyclopedias will appear, ready made with a mesh of associative trails running through them, ready to be dropped into the memex and there amplified.”

That fired imaginations, and by the 1960s technologists were trying to connect separate physical communications networks into one global network—a “world-wide web.” The federal government was involved, modestly, via the Pentagon’s Advanced Research Projects Agency Network. Its goal was not maintaining communications during a nuclear attack, and it didn’t build the Internet. Robert Taylor, who ran the ARPA program in the 1960s, sent an email to fellow technologists in 2004 setting the record straight: “The creation of the Arpanet was not motivated by considerations of war. The Arpanet was not an Internet. An Internet is a connection between two or more computer networks.”

If the government didn’t invent the Internet, who did? Vinton Cerf developed the TCP/IP protocol, the Internet’s backbone, and Tim Berners-Lee gets credit for hyperlinks.

But full credit goes to the company where Mr. Taylor worked after leaving ARPA: Xerox.

It was at the Xerox PARC labs in Silicon Valley in the 1970s that the Ethernet was developed to link different computer networks. Researchers there also developed the first personal computer (the Xerox Alto) and the graphical user interface that still drives computer usage today.

According to a book about Xerox PARC, “Dealers of Lightning” (by Michael Hiltzik), its top researchers realized they couldn’t wait for the government to connect different networks, so would have to do it themselves. “We have a more immediate problem than they do,” Robert Metcalfe told his colleague John Shoch in 1973. “We have more networks than they do.” Mr. Shoch later recalled that ARPA staffers “were working under government funding and university contracts. They had contract administrators . . . and all that slow, lugubrious behavior to contend with.”

So having created the Internet, why didn’t Xerox become the biggest company in the world? The answer explains the disconnect between a government-led view of business and how innovation actually happens.

Executives at Xerox headquarters in Rochester, N.Y., were focused on selling copiers. From their standpoint, the Ethernet was important only so that people in an office could link computers to share a copier. Then, in 1979, Steve Jobs negotiated an agreement whereby Xerox’s venture-capital division invested $1 million in Apple, with the requirement that Jobs get a full briefing on all the Xerox PARC innovations. “They just had no idea what they had,” Jobs later said, after launching hugely profitable Apple computers using concepts developed by Xerox.

Xerox’s copier business was lucrative for decades, but the company eventually had years of losses during the digital revolution. Xerox managers can console themselves that it’s rare for a company to make the transition from one technology era to another.

As for the government’s role, the Internet was fully privatized in 1995, when a remaining piece of the network run by the National Science Foundation was closed—just as the commercial Web began to boom. Blogger Brian Carnell wrote in 1999: “The Internet, in fact, reaffirms the basic free market critique of large government. Here for 30 years the government had an immensely useful protocol for transferring information, TCP/IP, but it languished. . . . In less than a decade, private concerns have taken that protocol and created one of the most important technological revolutions of the millennia.”

It’s important to understand the history of the Internet because it’s too often wrongly cited to justify big government. It’s also important to recognize that building great technology businesses requires both innovation and the skills to bring innovations to market. As the contrast between Xerox and Apple shows, few business leaders succeed in this challenge. Those who do—not the government—deserve the credit for making it happen.

By the way, I am British by birth and, if you think that socialised medicine is great, I’d love to sentence you to a year in Stafford Trust. Of course, you’d likely expire long before the end of your term.

Resist We Much on July 24, 2012 at 12:52 PM

Which in turn is there because bank runs don’t happen anymore thanks to the FDIC.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Deposit_Insurance_Corporation

Typhonsentra on July 24, 2012 at 12:46 PM

So who bails the government out?

US Debt Clock

Unfunded entitlements are almost to $120 TRILLION. Who pays for that?

Chuck Schick on July 24, 2012 at 12:57 PM

Typhonsentra on July 24, 2012 at 12:28 PM

Yeah, it’s amazing that you still have any free will or personal liberty left at all with that much govt intrusion into your life, isn’t it?

Harbingeing on July 24, 2012 at 12:57 PM

Which in turn is there because bank runs don’t happen anymore thanks to the FDIC.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Deposit_Insurance_Corporation

Typhonsentra on July 24, 2012 at 12:46 PM

Do you even know the history and causes of bank runs in the early 1930s that led to Congress passing the FDIC?

It wasn’t the Great Depression. It wasn’t the evil bankers.

Canada had far less regulation and laws preventing bank expansion than the US did.

During the entirety of the Great Depression, more than 9,000 banks failed.

Do you know how many banks failed in Canada during the entirety of the Great Depression?

Resist We Much on July 24, 2012 at 12:58 PM

Typhonsentra on July 24, 2012 at 12:28 PM

The only thing worse than a troll, is someone who plagarizes others work as their own. This copy is from 2009.

STL_Vet on July 24, 2012 at 12:58 PM

Romney in that same interview:

“And by the way, we pay for government. Government doesn’t come free. The people who begin enterprises, the people who work in enterprises, they’re the ones paying for government. So his whole philosophy is an upside-down philosophy that does not comport with the American experience.”

Ed:

But who pays for infrastructure? Government doesn’t pull the money off the magic trees of the Progressive Sunshine Forest; they take capital from taxpayers, either current or (increasingly) future taxpayers. Small businesses generate a large amount of that tax base,

Great minds..ect

bluealice on July 24, 2012 at 1:00 PM

The only thing worse than a troll, is someone who plagarizes others work as their own. This copy is from 2009.

STL_Vet on July 24, 2012 at 12:58 PM

Haha. Typhonsentra, you are pathetic.

No one is saying we should have no government. At least plagiarize something that isn’t a lazy strawman.

Chuck Schick on July 24, 2012 at 1:04 PM

Typhonsentra on July 24, 2012 at 12:28 PM

The only thing worse than a troll, is someone who plagarizes others work as their own. This copy is from 2009.

STL_Vet on July 24, 2012 at 12:58 PM

Yep. It’s spam that has been kicking around the internet and inboxes for years. That’s what trolls do.

slickwillie2001 on July 24, 2012 at 1:09 PM

I then log on to the internet which was developed by the Defense Advanced Research Projects Administration and post on freerepublic.com and Fox News forums about how SOCIALISM in medicine is BAD because the government can’t do anything right.

Typhonsentra on July 24, 2012 at 12:28 PM

Moron – Who really invented the internet. Quit spreading false manure.

Schadenfreude on July 24, 2012 at 1:11 PM

No one is saying we should have no government. At least plagiarize something that isn’t a lazy strawman.

Chuck Schick on July 24, 2012 at 1:04 PM

All of government, including the Obamas’ lobsters, arugula and caviar, are funded by private taxes, from hard working individuals.

Schadenfreude on July 24, 2012 at 1:12 PM

“Just like we’ve tried their plan, we tried our plan — and it worked,” he added later in the speech. “That’s the difference. That’s the choice in this election. That’s why I’m running for a second term.”

More gold from Obama

Chuck Schick on July 24, 2012 at 1:12 PM

Typhonsentra on July 24, 2012 at 12:28 PM

You s/b entered into an institution, public or private, both funded by taxes or individual effort, which is the same, and watched. May you spontaneously combust, you utter fool, for ignorance alone.

Schadenfreude on July 24, 2012 at 1:15 PM

God, am I happy that I stopped funding these looters. I love to starve the Typhonsentras of the world. It is the most schdenfreudig thing.

Schadenfreude on July 24, 2012 at 1:16 PM

Obama is a delusional oaf. He is psychologically disturbed. Those who don’t see the charlatanry are bound to suffer even more under him. His handlers just milk the situation, exploit the moochers and fool themselves into supporting their bloodsucking lifestyles.

Schadenfreude on July 24, 2012 at 1:18 PM

Typhonsentra on July 24, 2012 at 12:28 PM

And you pay some of the taxes to support all of that because somebody who has access to all the same things you do made the extra effort to start a business that you work at and pays you, so you can pay taxes.

It’s a cart before the horse thing. All those things didn’t exist before business, and business doesn’t exist because those things came first.

All those things exist because business was there first, and business pays taxes and pays people who pay taxes to support all of those things. Government also turns to business for designing and building things like the space shuttle that took the sattelite you mention into space.

First people built businesses, then all those people got together and said, “Let’s elect a few of us to hire a sherriff, organize road construction, build a school, build a train station on that railroad over yonder.” Government didn’t spring out of nothing and then by their grace create business.

Government’s only job is to create a level playing field. That’s why crony capitalism, practiced by either party, is an evil pox. That’s why Obama using the Fed to enrich Goldmann Sachs is a pox. That’s why using Obamatax to make prescription drug companies richer in exchange for a $100 million ad campaign sucks.

Government is supposed to be the referee of a level playing field. But they’ve been colluding with too many of the players for too long, and this president wants to take from players it doesn’t like, and give it to the people lounging on the sidelines.

PastorJon on July 24, 2012 at 1:19 PM

/*Obama to self: For you to say that was….well….stupid.*/

timberline on July 24, 2012 at 1:19 PM

Americans hate whiners.

Obama knows enough to whine behind our backs. Romney on the other hand runs to Fox News and whines to the American people.

Uppereastside on July 24, 2012 at 1:20 PM

are you claiming that Obama didn’t “take of his bedroom slippers and put on his marching shoes“?

lol

Resist We Much on July 24, 2012 at 12:41 PM

heh!

ted c on July 24, 2012 at 1:21 PM

Typho – Even if I am to accept what you write as true – and it is stretching reality to try and make a point by you I understand,
the key is that everything you listed is there for each citizen each day to use, for those who actually pay for things and those who get things handed to them through a welfare agency.

If we all have the same building blocks, why do not all have small businesses to run?

And when you get your mind around that one, that is why even if Obama was taken out of context in one respect, in the bigger one he is still wildly wrong and misguided.

Soon, those who pay are going to be so angry that those who take had best watch out – the re-action to having your money taken so that somebody can sit on their couch collecting a welfare check with food stamps, or a disability check without being disabled is going to end. We can figure out a nice easy way to transition, or we can keep calling those who pay greedy and wait for the tension to snap and have all the safety net – hammock as it appears to be today – collapse. And when the people with their hand out try to forcibly take what is mine, they will be invited to leave or be forcibly restrained.

Zomcon JEM on July 24, 2012 at 1:24 PM

Americans hate whiners.

Obama knows enough to whine behind our backs. Romney on the other hand runs to Fox News and whines to the American people.

Lowerbackside on July 24, 2012 at 1:20 PM

Obama whines incessantly nothing is his fault. The job is too big for this punk and you know it. The man could screw up a glass of water.

Chuck Schick on July 24, 2012 at 1:25 PM

Typhonsentra on July 24, 2012 at 12:28 PM

Looking up what someone else wrote so you can come up with an answer?

itsspideyman on July 24, 2012 at 1:27 PM

That Wall Street Journal article is needlessly obtuse on what it’s willing to consider the basis for the Internet. Most people would consider it the first attempt to connect separate computers for the purpose of communication (In this case, computers in research institutions on opposite sides of the country). ARPANET by its very name was a single unified network so yes, it technically can’t be considered an Internet per se, but that’s being needlessly obtuse in order to diminish what they achieved with the project in the 60s and 70s.

Moreover he pretends Vinton Cerf and his team didn’t have much to do with ARPANET despite being under contract with the DoD to work on the project, all in order to build his point which is really based on half-truths and misunderstandings of how these networks actually worked.

And yes I wasn’t the original author of that story. I’d assumed that it was popular enough by this point for people to recognize it without attribution (The original author is unknown so I couldn’t anyway), guess not.

Typhonsentra on July 24, 2012 at 1:28 PM

Americans hate whiners.

Obama knows enough to whine behind our backs. Romney on the other hand runs to Fox News and whines to the American people.

Uppereastside on July 24, 2012 at 1:20 PM

LOL, Yeastie Noyz! Obama’s been whining and blaming since he took his hand off of the Lincoln Bible. Bush, the tsunami, the Arab Spring, the euro, ATMs, airport kiosks, “Republican obstructionism” when he had a filibuster-proof system, yada, yada, yada.

To the delight of many, you have returned to the ebony screen of PHUP and are currently starring in “Broad Brushes Paint Wide Swaths.”

Resist We Much on July 24, 2012 at 1:30 PM

And yes I wasn’t the original author of that story. I’d assumed that it was popular enough by this point for people to recognize it without attribution (The original author is unknown so I couldn’t anyway), guess not.

Typhonsentra on July 24, 2012 at 1:28 PM

Had you not harbored such disdain for private enterprise, you could have Googled the attribution before you plagiarized it.

Chuck Schick on July 24, 2012 at 1:30 PM

And as for this whole “If these things are so important, why do some people fail while others succeed”…. what the hell are you people even getting at? Obama nor anyone else ever said that initiative isn’t the deciding factor in success. His point and everyone else talking about it here are saying that there are resources provided through the government which make those things possible. Could you have a trucking company without DOT roads? Could you have an Internet start-up without the Internet? There are so many things we take for granted in our society because it’s always been there. Even the concept of currency, why is one piece of paper more valuable than others to people? Do you ever stop and think about any of that?

Typhonsentra on July 24, 2012 at 1:33 PM

Why doesn’t anyone point out that highways and sewers and water systems are all built by private companies?

Grunt on July 24, 2012 at 11:33 AM

Most of the earliest towns, earliest settlements in this country were not built by government. The roads laid out were not funded by government but by the sweat and labor of individuals explorers and entrepreneurs who blazed new trails in search of new frontiers and new markets. The first fire departments were volunteer departments funded by business owners and wealthy members of the community and staffed by the very same people in order to protect their property. Government didn’t create infrastructure, it was created to help protect infrastructure and private property.

Wendya on July 24, 2012 at 1:35 PM

Why doesn’t anyone point out that highways and sewers and water systems are all built by private companies?

Grunt on July 24, 2012 at 11:33 AM
I’ve said it many times over the last few days – but I would like to see some of the bloggers actually pick up that theme as well.
They’re missing a major point that the government hires private companies to do the actual work.
I would have loved to see someone from G.E. Johnson or some other major construction company jump up and say “hey – actually – I DID build a lot of those roads and bridges”.

dentarthurdent on July 24, 2012 at 11:43 AM

Most importantly, all the money came from tax payers and the businesses paid the lion share of the taxes to build these roads, bridges, and infrastructure. The more Obama and his fools talks about this the deeper in the crap they get…

mnjg on July 24, 2012 at 1:36 PM

Typhonsentra on July 24, 2012 at 1:28 PM

The bottom line is that it was not the government that created the internet, i.e., the connection of different networks. It was the private sector that had the creativity and innovation. Furthermore, it is the private sector that paid for the government’s early research in the first place.

There is a reason that 73% of Americans believe that small business owners did build that and why Obama has really stepped in it. He has a worldview about government that is much more in line with Europeans or those, who live in former European colonies. Americans do not believe in a government-centric society. They never have.

Obama: “You Are Nothing Without Government!!”

http://predicthistunpredictpast.blogspot.com/2012/07/obama-you-are-nothing-without.html

M2RB: Olive

Resist We Much on July 24, 2012 at 1:37 PM

Here is how we know Obama meant – Generally Thru Inference, so popular in public schools these days, -what he said:

The crowd inferred and cheered along with him, they were not cheering for the roads and the bridges, they were cheering for Obama sassing the Business Owner.

Here is another way we know what Obama meant: Because it is exactly what Elizabeth Pocohantas Warren said when she was not pretending to be someone she was not.

see You Tube here courtesy of the MASS GOP:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsiAtXyv_WA
It is Obama’s Message = it is Prof. Warren’s message. Obama was just sloppy and offTotus.

Fleuries on July 24, 2012 at 11:36 AM

Exactly and the majority of the crowd attending the Obama rallies are bunch of parasites living on the producers expense and yes they hate businesses and business success just like Obama the socialist welfare queens agitator from Chicago.

mnjg on July 24, 2012 at 1:38 PM

And as for this whole “If these things are so important, why do some people fail while others succeed”…. what the hell are you people even getting at? Obama nor anyone else ever said that initiative isn’t the deciding factor in success. His point and everyone else talking about it here are saying that there are resources provided through the government which make those things possible. Could you have a trucking company without DOT roads? Could you have an Internet start-up without the Internet? There are so many things we take for granted in our society because it’s always been there. Even the concept of currency, why is one piece of paper more valuable than others to people? Do you ever stop and think about any of that?

Typhonsentra on July 24, 2012 at 1:33 PM

Gee, if only there were a system in place so that successful people pay more than their fair share for these things.

Chuck Schick on July 24, 2012 at 1:41 PM

Could you have a trucking company without DOT roads?

Unlike the old “What came first, the chicken or the egg?” question, trucking companies did exist before in interstate and they used roads built by local communities and states.

However did they ever manage to build the Silk Road without Big Government???

Resist We Much on July 24, 2012 at 1:41 PM

Typhonsentra on July 24, 2012 at 1:33 PM

There is NO gov’t anything without taxes, you Oaf.

Schadenfreude on July 24, 2012 at 1:42 PM

Could you have a trucking company without DOT roads?

You gnat-brain – how did the folks ever go pioneering toward the West?

Schadenfreude on July 24, 2012 at 1:46 PM

Could you have a trucking company without DOT roads?

Should have been in quotes, above.

Schadenfreude on July 24, 2012 at 1:46 PM

You haven’t answered my questions:

Do you know what caused most of the bank runs in the early 1930s, which prompted Congress to create the FDIC in the first place?

Were most caused by “evil bankers” or the government?

While more than 9,000 banks failed in the United States, how many Canadian banks failed during the entirety of the Great Depression?

Do you know why?

Resist We Much on July 24, 2012 at 1:47 PM

“…trucking companies did exist before THE interstate and they used roads built by local communities and states…”

Fixed.

Resist We Much on July 24, 2012 at 1:48 PM

Obama: “You Are Nothing Without Government!!”

Reality – The Gov’t is Nothing, without taxes, earned the hard way by private effort.

Schadenfreude on July 24, 2012 at 1:48 PM

May all the delusional fools spontaneously combust. They are the bane of the world.

Schadenfreude on July 24, 2012 at 1:49 PM

Schadenfreude on July 24, 2012 at 1:46 PM

High-speed rail?

coldwarrior on July 24, 2012 at 1:50 PM

I’ll tell you how I took it. I made a video.

ElRonaldo on July 24, 2012 at 1:51 PM

Americans hate whiners.

Obama knows enough to whine behind our backs. Romney on the other hand runs to Fox News and whines to the American people.

Uppereastside on July 24, 2012 at 1:20 PM

Projecting again you liberal scum… Obama is the whiner in Chief and for the last 3.5 years he has been whining about all the bad things in the economy which he made it worse and that is not his fault but it is Bush fault, Republicans fault, EU fault, Arab spring fault, ATM fault, etc…

It is really amazing when you low IQ liberal scums speak a lie you never think for a second how your oppenents are going to instantly expose your lie and destroy your stupid argument… You live in a stupid bubble and you never understand how stupid, weak, and utterly failed your argument and philosphy is in the real world.. But what I can say, you are a liberal and hence you are a liar, you are stupid, your are anti-American, and of course you are a hypocrite.

Now go f*** yourself…

mnjg on July 24, 2012 at 1:52 PM

I then log on to the internet which was developed by the Defense Advanced Research Projects Administration and post on freerepublic.com and Fox News forums about how SOCIALISM in medicine is BAD because the government can’t do anything right.

Typhonsentra on July 24, 2012 at 12:28 PM

You swine, like Obama you steal everything. You didn’t pen that. You didn’t quote, nor link the source. Typicla leftard. You s/b ashamed of yourself.

Schadenfreude on July 24, 2012 at 1:59 PM

Happy to see Typhoidsentral being given a free education. Ignorance doesn’t mean you’re stupid, just that you don’t know.

hoosiermama on July 24, 2012 at 2:03 PM

Americans hate whiners.

Obama knows enough to whine behind our backs. Romney on the other hand runs to Fox News and whines to the American people.

Uppereastside on July 24, 2012 at 1:20 PM

UtterFoolSide – Obama whines 24/7, with no exceptions. You are as delusional as he is. He is sick. What is your excuse?

Schadenfreude on July 24, 2012 at 2:04 PM

His point and everyone else talking about it here are saying that there are resources provided through the government which make those things possible. Could you have a trucking company without DOT roads? Could you have an Internet start-up without the Internet? There are so many things we take for granted in our society because it’s always been there. Even the concept of currency, why is one piece of paper more valuable than others to people? Do you ever stop and think about any of that?

Typhonsentra on July 24, 2012 at 1:33 PM

You have it backwards. Private wealth and a capitalist economy provide the wealth that government uses to build infrastructure. Conservatives don’t have a problem with infrastructure. We aren’t in 15 trillion of debt, with 100+ trillion in liabilities because of infrastructure. We don’t have a behemoth federal government because of infrastructure. Conservatives have never argued we don’t need roads, clean water, electricity, cops and all the rest of it so even if you want to claim that this is the argument that Obama is making then it’s a straw argument. But this is absolutely not what Obama was saying – he was saying that businesses success in unfair and that it’s mostly arbitrary and that they owe society (as determined and redistributed by the government).

gwelf on July 24, 2012 at 2:09 PM

SOCIALISM in medicine is BAD because the government can’t do anything right.

Typhonsentra on July 24, 2012 at 12:28 PM

You swine, like Obama you steal everything. You didn’t pen that. You didn’t quote, nor link the source. Typicla leftard. You s/b ashamed of yourself.

Schadenfreude on July 24, 2012 at 1:59 PM

Well, Socialism IStheft after all.

Resist We Much on July 24, 2012 at 2:17 PM

Speaking of Ramirez, the following cartoon from July 9th is a must see…

http://news.investors.com/editorialcartoons/cartoon.aspx?id=617572

ITguy on July 24, 2012 at 2:23 PM

Typhonsentra on July 24, 2012 at 12:28 PM

I guess it’s a miracle people managed to live long enough to form those many tendrils of government we obviously couldn’t ever live without.

BlueCollarAstronaut on July 24, 2012 at 2:28 PM

Could you have an Internet start-up without the Internet? There are so many things we take for granted in our society because it’s always been there.
Typhonsentra on July 24, 2012 at 1:33 PM

Just because you repeat Obama’s lies, that doesn’t make them any more true.

The government did not invent the internet. The engineers at Xerox did. The Xerox engineers also invented the personal computer that most people use to access the internet. Xerox, a capitalistic, profit-motivated company, not government.

This is real life, not Seinfeld. A lie does not become the truth just because you believe it’s true, or desperately want it to be true.

AZCoyote on July 24, 2012 at 2:34 PM

Obama: Hey, Romney’s taking my “you didn’t build that” line out of context

The cool thing about it is Romney isn’t driving any of this. It wasn’t the Romney campaign that found some way to spin an obscure comment — like the Obama campaign (network news adjunct) tried to do with the Romney Olympics remark — it was the unwashed masses that noticed the comment, and stinky to a man — ran with it.

So fighting Romney is fighting one in about, roughly, 1.21 gigapeople, and not fighting the most important ones.

Axe on July 24, 2012 at 2:35 PM

I suppose that one like Obama could argue that his abortionist friends didn’t kill innpocent living humans on their own either?

Don L on July 24, 2012 at 2:37 PM

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390444464304577539063008406518.html

Here’s a link for anyone who wants to read how the internet came to be.

AZCoyote on July 24, 2012 at 2:38 PM

I suspect that shortly the Obama campaign will return to talking about Romney’s dog that George Bush tied onto his car roof?

Don L on July 24, 2012 at 2:39 PM

you didn’t build that pants wetting

= childish, stupid, cherry picking bullsh*t

Putting someone who got
-$800,000 in tax-exempt revenue bonds
-two U.S. Navy sub-contracts totaling about $83,000
-$5,600 Coast Guard contract
-$500,000 U.S. Small Business Administration loan
in a commercial refuting “you didn’t build that”

= just f*cking stupid

Dave Rywall on July 24, 2012 at 3:01 PM

The cool thing about it is Romney isn’t driving any of this.

Axe on July 24, 2012 at 2:35 PM
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Yeah Romney’s not driving any of this – except when he’s brought it up at every speech since the words left Obama’s mouth and were mangled beyond all recognition.

Dave Rywall on July 24, 2012 at 3:03 PM

Wow D-lister non citizen running intereference for the Imperial president.

Unimaginable.

tom daschle concerned on July 24, 2012 at 3:16 PM

Taken to its logical extreme, Obama/Warren’s theory would mean that noone in academia could ever be credited with any written ideas that they spout because they didn’t invent language or paper or ink. Heck they certainly didn’t invent electric lighting much less candlelight or fire even.

txmomof6 on July 24, 2012 at 3:18 PM

Wow D-lister non citizen running intereference for the Imperial president.

Unimaginable.

tom daschle concerned on July 24, 2012 at 3:16 PM
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Inside you’re cringing at Romney’s moronic commercial about people building things on their own that features a guy with his lips firmly locked on the government teat, but you have to put on a brave big boy face and make loud noises.

And that makes me laugh and laugh and laugh.

Dave Rywall on July 24, 2012 at 3:20 PM

Could you have an Internet start-up without the Internet?

Typhonsentra on July 24, 2012 at 1:33 PM

The Internet did not take off until AFTER the National Sciene Foundation pulled the plug on funding in 1995. After this, the Internet was free to grow in whatever direction the market took it. As the last unfettered area of growth, it exploded.

NOT because of governement help, but in SPITE of it.

Repeating a post from AZCoyote:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390444464304577539063008406518.html

itsspideyman on July 24, 2012 at 3:21 PM

I couldn’t resist a repost from the DU link above:

This morning I was awoken by my alarm clock powered by electricity generated by the public power monopoly regulated, but not controlled or dispensed by the US department of energy. I then took a shower in the clean water provided by the municipal water utility which has always had a monopolist, ironclad grip on that whole sector.
After that, I turned on the TV to one of the FCC regulated channels, the content of which is provided by private news firms, to see what the national weather service of the national oceanographic and atmospheric administration determined the weather was going to be like using satellites designed, built, and launched by the national aeronautics and space administration as well as other private firms, such as Lockeed-Martin, Northop and Boeing just to name a few, without which the US space program and modern day NWS and NOAA would not exist.

I watched this while eating my breakfast of US department of agriculture inspected food which was grown and raised by private farms and coops, and taking the drugs which have been determined as safe by the food and drug administration, but made and dispensed by those evil drug companies.

At the appropriate time as regulated by the US congress and kept accurate by the national institute of standards and technology and the US naval observatory, which uses the Atomic Clock, first manufactured by National Company of Malden and now maintained by HP, I get into my national highway traffic safety administration approved automobile which would fall apart within a mile if manufactured by them, and set out to work on the roads build by the private contractor firms which bid on contracts sent out by federal departments of transportation, possibly stopping to purchase additional fuel of a quality level determined by the environmental protection agency yet still provided and dispensed by the evil oil companies, using legal tender issued by the federal reserve bank which would be worth as much as toilet paper if not for the private market.

On the way out the door I deposit any mail I have to be sent out via the US postal service, which is going under like the mighty Titanic due to their poor management and drop the kids off at the public school which is not nearly as good as a private school, but it’s free, right? After you pay for it with your taxes, that is.

After spending another day not being maimed or killed at work thanks to the regulations imposed by the department of labor and the occupational safety and health administration on my workplace which is most likely a private firm as well, enjoying another two meals which again do not kill me because of the USDA, plus the fact that living customers are a lot more useful to private food manufacturers then dead ones, I drive my ,NHTSA regulated but not built, car back home on the DOT roads built by private contractors, to my house which has not burned down in my absence because of the state and local building codes and fire marshal’s inspection and the fact that the private contractor firm that built it knew what they were doing, and which has not been plundered of all it’s valuables thanks to the local police department which heavily relies on cooperation with private security firms.

I then log on to the internet which was developed by the defense advanced research projects administration but brought to people like you and me by “hackers” from MIT and then “pipelined” by AT&T and post on a plethora of blogs about how SOCIALISM in medicine is not so BAD because the government needs to wipe my nose for me, since I can’t do it myself and don’t know the difference between regulatory agencies versus manufacturers and providers of goods and services.

ChicagoJewishGuy on July 24, 2012 at 3:21 PM

Taken to its logical extreme, Obama/Warren’s theory would mean that noone in academia could ever be credited with any written ideas that they spout because they didn’t invent language or paper or ink. Heck they certainly didn’t invent electric lighting much less candlelight or fire even.

txmomof6 on July 24, 2012 at 3:18 PM
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You’re the sort of person that claims taking gay marriage to its “logical extreme” will lead to people marrying horses and dogs and trying to make babies with them.

Dave Rywall on July 24, 2012 at 3:21 PM

ChicagoJewishGuy on July 24, 2012 at 3:21 PM

You’re embarrasing yourself. He copied that from a post in 2009.

itsspideyman on July 24, 2012 at 3:30 PM

0bama’s words were so brilliant and articulate and clean that his fanboys upperleftard and drywall are compelled to come here and tell us what he really meant.

Lovin’ it.

CurtZHP on July 24, 2012 at 3:34 PM

Americans hate whiners.

Lowereastside on July 24, 2012 at 1:20 PM

That was confirmed by that Gallup Poll from yesterday, where Americans said that they Hate O’bama blaming his Bad Economy on Bush.

Thanks for Playing!

A+

Del Dolemonte on July 24, 2012 at 3:38 PM

0bama’s words were so brilliant and articulate and clean that his fanboys upperleftard and drywall are compelled to come here and tell us what he really meant.

Lovin’ it.

CurtZHP on July 24, 2012 at 3:34 PM
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I don’t have to explain sh*t.

You just need to read the whole bit instead of cherry picking.

Now how about that Gilchrist guy in the commercial?

How do you feel about his business being helped onto its feet by all that government help?

Dave Rywall on July 24, 2012 at 3:38 PM

Most of the earliest towns, earliest settlements in this country were not built by government. The roads laid out were not funded by government but by the sweat and labor of individuals explorers and entrepreneurs who blazed new trails in search of new frontiers and new markets.

Wendya on July 24, 2012 at 1:35 PM

Well, that is only partially correct.

Initially the local (from the town level up) governments built the early roads, but they sucked at it so badly that private entrepreneurs took over.

Del Dolemonte on July 24, 2012 at 3:42 PM

ChicagoJewishGuy on July 24, 2012 at 3:21 PM

You’re embarrasing yourself. He copied that from a post in 2009.

itsspideyman on July 24, 2012 at 3:30 PM

Huh? I said it’s a repost. It was a funny response to the original DU upload, itself a repost from another blog.

ChicagoJewishGuy on July 24, 2012 at 3:43 PM

You’re the sort of person that claims taking gay marriage to its “logical extreme” will lead to people marrying horses and dogs and trying to make babies with them.

Dave Rywall on July 24, 2012 at 3:21 PM

Well, isn’t that what married people do? Supposedly.

You can call homosexual unions “marriage” all you want, until the cows come home and make hamburger but that doesn’t necessarily make it a marriage.

BlaxPac on July 24, 2012 at 3:43 PM

I don’t have to explain sh*t.

Red Green on July 24, 2012 at 3:38 PM

And you prove it here on a daily basis!

A+

Del Dolemonte on July 24, 2012 at 3:43 PM

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