I cannot say that Mayor Hancock satisfied the above first requirement, but if I were a Denver resident, his arguments make enough sense for me to find out if they are valid, thus opening the door. No responsible citizen opposes all taxes. But we should be jealous keepers of the purse strings, making sure that money collected is necessary, collected fairly, and spent wisely.

Neither would armed civilians. With that kind of body armor the NRA argument just falls apart. The fact of the matter is that there is NO solution to mass murder – not gun control, and not mass civilian gun ownership. It’s just something we have to live with in this mad, post-modern world.

ernesto on July 24, 2012 at 4:22 PM

Only a liberal would think that a vest would protect someone from a headshot only a few feet away.

I know it makes people feel better, particularly liberals and politicians, in the wake of a national tragedy to pass some kind of law or lambast some industry or product. It makes them feel like they’ve done something.

MKH, always keep in mind Jonah Goldberg’s formulation of the ideal government mentality: Don’t just do something, stand there

Resist We Much on July 24, 2012 at 10:01 PM

This certainly puts a wet blanket on all those who have said that an armed citizen couldn’t have stopped this because he was armored up!

Oh, and can we PLEASE turn off the stupid auto-refresh on the individual stories/posts?!? Aaaaaarrrrrgggghhhhhhhh!!!!!

For the record, this is what they are calling “body armour.” You’ll notice the fabric and large opening right down the middle. Of course, it’s not like anyone would aim right at the middle of someone’s chest. /s

Resist We Much on July 24, 2012 at 10:01 PM

So, basically it was a wearable magazine pouch. But it looks scary and that’s all that matters…to libs.

But let’s not pretend this guy could have done this without these particular kinds of weapons being easily available to him.

verbaluce

I agree, let’s stop the pretending. This guy could have killed just as many if not more people even if there wasn’t a single gun anywhere on the planet. And it wouldn’t even be that hard.

xblade on July 25, 2012 at 12:44 AM

The first self powered machine gun was built in 1885. The tribal societies living in the mountains of Pakistan, make reverse engineered AK-47′s from scratch. We’re talking 19th century technology. Anyone who is remotely handy can make a homemade automatic firearm, with parts and tools that can be found in their local Home Depot.

I am interested to hear how all these new gun-control proposals are going to stop a Ph.D. student in neuroscience from finding or making whatever he desires to kill a large number of people.

The simple answer… it won’t. Norway has some of the toughest gun control laws in the world, and a long standing ban on assault weapons, and “high powered” hand guns. That didn’t prevent Anders Breivik from slaughtering 77 people last summer.

But let’s not pretend this guy could have done this without these particular kinds of weapons being easily available to him.

verbaluce

I agree, let’s stop the pretending. This guy could have killed just as many if not more people even if there wasn’t a single gun anywhere on the planet. And it wouldn’t even be that hard.

ernesto thinks body armor turns one into a transformer…

chewydog on July 24, 2012 at 6:47 PM

Um no, the problem is that ernesto doesn’t actually think. He just regurgitates the liberal lines that his mommy read to him last night at story time.

Resist We Much on July 24, 2012 at 10:01 PM

The democratics’ narrative against concealed carry has been served well by the notion that he was all armored up and practically invincible. For that reason I don’t expect the truth to come out too readily.

Isn’t there some question as to whether it was body armor or just a tactical vest? A tac vest that didn’t have plate carrying capapcjty.

tom daschle concerned on July 24, 2012 at 9:33 PM

Here’s what the “Blackhawk Urban Assault Vest” looks like:

http://tacticalgear.com/blackhawk-urban-assault-vest

Here’s James Holmes’ sales receipt for the “body armour” vest:

http://www.stltoday.com/tacticalgear-sales-receipt-for-james-holmes/pdf_d886da6e-d2dd-11e1-a574-0019bb30f31a.html

For the record, this is what they are calling “body armour.” You’ll notice the fabric and large opening right down the middle. Of course, it’s not like anyone would aim right at the middle of someone’s chest. /s

Funny, while covering a lot of territory.

Any semi-auto is going to fire everytime you pull the trigger regardless of its configuration or caliber.

Whether it looks high-tech and is built with composites, or it’s dad’s old wooden-stock deer rifle…it fires a round everytime you pull the trigger…and anyone who thinks clip-size was a factor in this horror has probably never fired a weapon.

A diabolical freak with a diseased mind shouldn’t (in a rational world) be used as leverage to curtail the constitutional rights of the sane, law-abiding majority.

This argument is, and always has been stupid.

Hickenlooper: Tougher gun laws wouldn’t have stopped Aurora shooter

headline by Mary Katharine Ham

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Neither would armed civilians. With that kind of body armor the NRA argument just falls apart. The fact of the matter is that there is NO solution to mass murder – not gun control, and not mass civilian gun ownership. It’s just something we have to live with in this mad, post-modern world.

ernesto on July 24, 2012 at 4:22 PM

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It wouldn’t be that hard to hit the head, and he wasn’t wearing any kind of helmet.

Also, what chewydog said is exactly right.

ernesto, you’re an idiot. You put on “body armor” and let me shoot you with a decent cal. handgun and see if you’re not looking up at the ceiling…

chewydog on July 24, 2012 at 4:27 PM

Those two bank robbers (North Hollywood, California, 1997) were the most heavily “body-armored” perpetrators I can remember in my lifetime. And in the shootout with LAPD, they still took cover when they could, and were still eventually killed. The impact of those bullets that didn’t penetrate, still knocked the one down who was on foot. Then he’d get up and run again, only to be knocked down again. Until the SWAT got him.

Hickenlooper: Tougher gun laws wouldn’t have stopped Aurora shooter

The Colorado governor said this on CBS’ “Face the Nation,” Sunday but it’s worth flagging a) because the utterly predictable gun-control discussion is ongoing and Hick is another guy with a less-than-utterly-predictable position and b) what are the chances you watched “Face the Nation?”

headline and excerpt by Mary Katharine Ham

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“Face the . . .” what ?

ernesto thinks body armor turns one into a transformer…

chewydog on July 24, 2012 at 6:47 PM

His hero Che slaughtered dozens with a simple machete. Body armor does no good against a machete.

Neither would armed civilians. With that kind of body armor the NRA argument just falls apart.

ernesto on July 24, 2012 at 4:22 PM

Wasn’t aware that body armor was foolproof.

Del Dolemonte on July 24, 2012 at 4:47 PM

Typical leftist. Doesn’t understand how guns work. Doesn’t understand how body armor works.

Probably thinks nuclear weapons are launched by pushing a little red button on the President’s nightstand.

CurtZHP on July 24, 2012 at 5:33 PM

ernesto thinks body armor turns one into a transformer…

When I go to the sporting goods store and restock on gunpowder, I have to present valid ID (isn’t that a ‘Jim Crow’ law?) – which is entered in a ledger for the County Sheriff to review.

Yet I can stop by Lowe’s and buy 1,000 pounds of ammonium nitrate, pay cash, and the only question asked is “Do you need help carrying that out?”

I can then stop at a junk yard and pick up empty 50 gallon drums, pay cash – no questions asked.

I can then drop by the local gas station and purchase diesel fuel, no questions asked.

A couple of items at the local chemical supply warehouse and guess what I can do.

NO QUESTIONS ASKED!

I haven’t culled all the links yet, but from the pictures that so called “body armor” look an awful like just a plain black Nomex jumpsuit.

Which btw, Nomex isn’t bullet-resistant…

BlaxPac on July 24, 2012 at 6:15 PM

But, but, it’s skeery-looking so we have to ban it so that liberals won’t be afraid and will think that they are making a difference!

Like the old “assault weapons” ban, we could call it the Don’t Make Regular Stuff Look Skeery By Cosmetic Changes Act of 2012.

verbaluce on July 24, 2012 at 5:33 PM

A half dozen wine bottles filled with gasoline detergent mix, all wicked properly, ignited, tossed into theater from side door,…then secure exit door shut with juryrigged exterior lock apparatus. This isn’t about the specific tools. Many different types are available for large crowds in small places.

Which btw, Nomex isn’t bullet-resistant…

There almost zero technical knowledge or skill needed to use these weapons.

verbaluce on July 24, 2012 at 5:33 PM

That has to be one of, if not the most, ignorant statements I’ve read. Typical liberal stupid on display.

pambi on July 24, 2012 at 6:09 PM

You’re welcome. :-)