Aurora victim’s brother to MSNBC host: Why, no, I don’t want to talk about gun control

posted at 6:42 pm on July 24, 2012 by Allahpundit

Via Greg Hengler, we’re late to this but it’s still a must-post, simply because it’s one of the great narrative derailments you’ll ever see on cable. If ever there was a dynamic primed for a gun control cri de coeur, it’s DNC TV nudging a relative of one of the shooting victims while he’s still grieving. No one would have faulted him for responding emotionally; instead, he came back at them with this. His composure and insistence on sticking to principle under the circumstances are remarkable.

HuffPo is wondering when/whether The One might follow his M.O. on gay marriage and “evolve” on gun control by re-embracing a position he held in the mid-90s. In a sense, that’d be in keeping with his overall campaign strategy: He’s given up on white working-class voters, more or less, and is playing chiefly to his liberal base now, so why not throw them some invigorating red meat by calling for a new assault-weapons ban or whatever? The difference between this and SSM, I think, is that when he “evolved” on gay marriage, he was falling into line with virtually the entirety of his party. If he “evolved” now on gun control, by contrast, he’d be cross-wise with all sorts of purple-state Dems, and then the storyline would quickly shift from “Obama pushes new gun regulations” to “Democrats abandoning WH on new gun push.” Even Chuck Schumer, who once chaired the DSCC, is going around telling the media that new gun-control measures are a nonstarter. O cares about Michigan and Pennsylvania and Virginia, not MSNBC, and he knows that liberals will forgive him for this in the name of victory (just as they would have if he had kept up his embarrassing SSM charade). Gun control, like his trip to Israel, is something that can wait for his second term, if only as a rhetorical bludgeon against a Republican Congress.

Exit question: Why have gun sales soared in Colorado over the last few days? It’s tempting to think that people are scrambling to protect themselves from the James Holmeses of the world, but I think Mark Hemingway’s explanation is far more likely.

Update: You don’t say.


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Oh Lord, BOR is going full you know what on his show right now.

Cindy Munford on July 24, 2012 at 8:18 PM

MED makes Al Sharpton look like Bryant Gumbel.

thebrokenrattle on July 24, 2012 at 7:23 PM

Dyson is such a race hustler. If you listen to him often enough–and it’s painful to do so–you realize that his answer to every question and issue arising in this country is that blacks have been and continue to grievously oppressed by the white-male power structure that’s been in place for 400 years. He’s like a broken record.

BuckeyeSam on July 24, 2012 at 8:23 PM

While we are at it, why don’t we start selling guns to repeated bank robbers? Why don’t we sell them to the mentally ill? Hell we should sell them to know drug dealers too.

Uppereastside on July 24, 2012 at 6:57 PM

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Ummm…as far as I know Democrats ARE allowed to buy guns!

sharrukin on July 24, 2012 at 7:00 PM
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We have a Winner.

Empiricist on July 24, 2012 at 7:57 PM

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I second that motion.
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You know ‘eastside, sometimes you’re just too easy.

listens2glenn on July 24, 2012 at 8:25 PM

Ever hunt a hog? There is just one reason for a semi-auto.

conservativecaveman on July 24, 2012 at 7:45 PM

Vagina-equipped, liberal males never hunt. They wait around the campfire until the conservative meat providers get back with dinner, complaining about vaginal soreness and trying to convince everyone that vegan should be mandatory.

..and then, are first in line when the meat’s cooked.

98ZJUSMC on July 24, 2012 at 8:31 PM

This kid who just lost his sister b1tch-slaps him so effortlessly it’s sick.

Jaibones on July 24, 2012 at 7:34 PM

Yep. MSNBC should call up both viewers of The Ed Show and apologize.

Happy Nomad on July 24, 2012 at 8:31 PM

..good for the brother…and he was polite about it.
…not a good question for the newsman…considering the setting.

KOOLAID2 on July 24, 2012 at 8:33 PM

Actually, I spoke with 3 Colo. CCW owners,one being my son, and all 3 carry their weaps into Colo theatres…their mindset–there is a difference between legally prohibited and business prohibited…

hillsoftx on July 24, 2012 at 8:05 PM

Good for them. I wonder which the theaters would be more upset about- concealed weapons or concealed candy bars?

Night Owl on July 24, 2012 at 8:35 PM

Oh Lord, BOR is going full you know what on his show right now.

Cindy Munford on July 24, 2012 at 8:18 PM

Much as he annoys me, Im with him on this. I’d rather Jessicas Law mandating drawing and uartering.

katy the mean old lady on July 24, 2012 at 8:36 PM

Cindy Munford on July 24, 2012 at 8:18 PM

bor has turned into a sexist buffoon, happiest when surrounded by the blonde airheads that infest that channel.

yours is a thankless job. someone has to do it. i watch moaning joe. thats my cross to bear:)

renalin on July 24, 2012 at 8:39 PM

BuckeyeSam on July 24, 2012 at 8:23 PM

My friend you have *no* idea how bad that kind of thinking and whining has permeated the Black community.

Its bad enough when we elect crappy leaders, but when they’re “self proclaimed” or anointed the title by the MSM, it multiplies exponentially.

After a few years/decades of hearing and having to listen to that crap, it’s amazing I’m not rolling on the floor jamming a pencil in my ear to make the whine-fest STOP…

BlaxPac on July 24, 2012 at 8:41 PM

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cableguy615 on July 24, 2012 at 8:48 PM

Why does anyone need semi automatic weapons? Or body armor for that matter? Banning both just seems like common sense.

Ric on July 24, 2012 at 6:55 PM

Like that would stop anyone. For the record, this is what they are calling “body armour.” You’ll notice the fabric and large opening right down the middle. Of course, it’s not like anyone would aim right at the middle of someone’s chest.

Here’s what the “Blackhawk Urban Assault Vest” looks like:

http://tacticalgear.com/blackhawk-urban-assault-vest

Looks “impenetrable” to me. /s You?

Here’s James Holmes’ sales receipt for the “body armour” vest:

http://www.stltoday.com/tacticalgear-sales-receipt-for-james-holmes/pdf_d886da6e-d2dd-11e1-a574-0019bb30f31a.html

I know! We can get Congress to pass a new law:

Don’t Make Regular Stuff Look Skeery By Cosmetic Changes Act of 2012

Resist We Much on July 24, 2012 at 8:49 PM

katy the mean old lady on July 24, 2012 at 8:36 PM

I’m not disagreeing with him on Jessica’s law, I’m disagreeing that “heavy” guns and large amounts of ammunition has to be reported to the FBI. WTH are “heavy” guns. Doofus.

Oh and look what is just coming out. Keep in mind this link is just a blog, not a real journalist like Brian Ross.

http://claytonecramer.blogspot.com/2012/07/not-bulletproof.html

Cindy Munford on July 24, 2012 at 8:51 PM

Resist We Much on July 24, 2012 at 8:49 PM

Don’t give them any more *bad* ideas.

Investigate Baseball? You Bet!

Investigate F&F? My man here says it best…RIP

BlaxPac on July 24, 2012 at 8:54 PM

hawkdriver on July 24, 2012 at 7:40 PM

I wouldn’t tackle that job in full haz-mat gear.

novaculus on July 24, 2012 at 8:55 PM

Cindy Munford on July 24, 2012 at 8:51 PM

Just got home and missed that one
I think “heavy guns” would mean things that uppereastside can’t lift. That would probably include a suirt gun

katy the mean old lady on July 24, 2012 at 8:56 PM

Oh Lord, BOR is going full you know what on his show right now.

Cindy Munford on July 24, 2012 at 8:18 PM

Yep, the man is just a dimwit. He refuses to learn. He refuses to listen.

He’s not that different from others in the old media, but I expect a little better from Fox News.

slickwillie2001 on July 24, 2012 at 8:57 PM

hawkdriver on July 24, 2012 at 7:40 PM
I wouldn’t tackle that job in full haz-mat gear.

novaculus on July 24, 2012 at 8:55 PM

Heavy rubber gloves puts the entire world at youyr finger-tips.

hawkdriver on July 24, 2012 at 8:58 PM

squirt
keyboard seems to pick random letters to scrue up. today is Mr. Q

katy the mean old lady on July 24, 2012 at 8:58 PM

Cindy Munford on July 24, 2012 at 8:51 PM
Just got home and missed that one
I think “heavy guns” would mean things that uppereastside can’t lift. That would probably include a suirt gun

katy the mean old lady on July 24, 2012 at 8:56 PM

A “heavy” gun is any weapon you feel compelled to make the smallest guy in the platoon carry.

hawkdriver on July 24, 2012 at 9:00 PM

keyboard seems to pick random letters to scrue up. today is Mr. Q

katy the mean old lady on July 24, 2012 at 8:58 PM

And, apparently the “W” key as well.

Aha! Proof it’s George Bush’s/NeoCon’s fault!

HALIBURTON!

BlaxPac on July 24, 2012 at 9:00 PM

What happened to all the ever loving trolls that are proclaiming our gun days are numbered? Shouldn’t they be here describing how the disarming of America is going to occur?

hawkdriver on July 24, 2012 at 9:01 PM

Why does anyone need semi automatic weapons? Or body armor for that matter? Banning both just seems like common sense.

Ric on July 24, 2012 at 6:55 PM

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The Second Amendment to the US Constitution is not about the hobby/recreational/sporting uses of firearms.
It is about the common American citizen being empowered with the capability to function as their OWN first-line of defense against:

1) GOVERNMENTAL TYRANNY

2) Criminals

3) Dangerous (non-human) animals
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Oh, did I forget to mention GOVERNMENTAL TYRANNY ?

listens2glenn on July 24, 2012 at 8:16 PM

Since there were so many responses to my post I’m just going to focus on this one since it encapsulates most of the arguments.

Regarding the need of semi automatic weapons for Government Tyranny. Totally ineffective. A well ordered militia might have been a somewhat effect deterrent in the later 1700′s and early 1800′s but in today modern era small arms would be almost useless resisting the modern military. A hastily gathered militia could not stands against tanks, artillery, planes, air craft carriers ect.

I also reject the argument of gun owners needing semi auto weapons to defend themselves against criminals. A pistol or shotgun works just fine as a deterrent and last resort weapon.

As for hunting animals, there unarmed. If your not skilled enough to protect yourself from an animal your hunting with a shotgun, pistol, or rifle you shouldn’t be hunting.

Ric on July 24, 2012 at 9:02 PM

BlaxPac on July 24, 2012 at 9:00 PM

When it is all said and done, I’d rather have stock in Haliburton than Solyndra or GM!

Cindy Munford on July 24, 2012 at 9:02 PM

Why does anyone need semi automatic weapons? Or body armor for that matter? Banning both just seems like common sense.

Ric on July 24, 2012 at 6:55 PM

This one, like many of its ilk, does not understand the concept of civil rights.

Get a clue. My rights are not granted to me by the gubmint.

I have the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. I have the right to defend myself, and to keep and bear arms for that purpose.

The burden is on the government to justify any infringements on those rights.

I don’t have to justify a damned thing, and certainly not my choice of weapons.

novaculus on July 24, 2012 at 9:04 PM

As for hunting animals, there unarmed. If your not skilled enough to protect yourself from an animal your hunting with a shotgun, pistol, or rifle you shouldn’t be hunting.

Ric on July 24, 2012 at 9:02 PM

And if you speel worse than hawkdriver, you shouldn’t be typing.

hawkdriver on July 24, 2012 at 9:04 PM

My applause and condolences to Jordan Ghawi.

rayra on July 24, 2012 at 9:06 PM

Regarding the need of semi automatic weapons for Government Tyranny. Totally ineffective. A well ordered militia might have been a somewhat effect deterrent in the later 1700′s and early 1800′s but in today modern era small arms would be almost useless resisting the modern military. A hastily gathered militia could not stands against tanks, artillery, planes, air craft carriers ect.

Ric on July 24, 2012 at 9:02 PM

The Soviets in Afghanistan.
The US in Afghanistan.
The Syrian rebels.
The Libyan rebels.

sharrukin on July 24, 2012 at 9:06 PM

Good for Jordan Ghawi–he’s absolutely right and knows how to stay on topic.

And of course deadbeat Harry Reidiculous wouldn’t bring a gun control bill before the Senate–lately he’s bringing nothing before the Senate except his grumpy unsightly mug.

Time out, wait, I think Obama just did 4 more fundraisers while I was writing this comment.

stukinIL4now on July 24, 2012 at 9:06 PM

Since there were so many responses to my post I’m just going to focus on this one since it encapsulates most of the arguments.

Regarding the need of semi automatic weapons for Government Tyranny. Totally ineffective. A well ordered militia might have been a somewhat effect deterrent in the later 1700′s and early 1800′s but in today modern era small arms would be almost useless resisting the modern military. A hastily gathered militia could not stands against tanks, artillery, planes, air craft carriers ect.

I also reject the argument of gun owners needing semi auto weapons to defend themselves against criminals. A pistol or shotgun works just fine as a deterrent and last resort weapon.

As for hunting animals, there unarmed. If your not skilled enough to protect yourself from an animal your hunting with a shotgun, pistol, or rifle you shouldn’t be hunting.

Ric on July 24, 2012 at 9:02 PM

I guess that’s why our campaigns in Iraq and Afghanistan were a cakewalk, over in a few weeks.

slickwillie2001 on July 24, 2012 at 9:07 PM

Ric on July 24, 2012 at 9:02 PM

Didn’t SCOTUS just put the kaboosh on that membership of a militia nonsense? Bearing arms is an individual right.

Cindy Munford on July 24, 2012 at 9:08 PM

Oh Lord, BOR is going full you know what on his show right now.

Cindy Munford on July 24, 2012 at 8:18 PM

That interview with Jason Chaffetz was the worst display of ignorance by O’Reilly I have ever seen. He knows nothing about firearms or firearms laws, and what he thinks he knows is wrong.

It is just mind-boggling irresponsibility to suggest that anyone can walk in to any gun store and buy a machine gun.

I have never had that high an opinion of the bloviating self-promoter, but that was just despicable.

novaculus on July 24, 2012 at 9:10 PM

Obama: “You didn’t buy those guns. A Federal grant did.”

faraway on July 24, 2012 at 9:12 PM

Resist We Much on July 24, 2012 at 8:49 PM

Yeah, those earlier reports that the shooter was wearing full body armor may have been… inaccurate. Makes it even more likely that an armed citizen could have stopped him with one well-placed shot.

novaculus on July 24, 2012 at 9:14 PM

novaculus on July 24, 2012 at 9:10 PM

Speaks volumes on why he excused Brian Ross of ABC, doesn’t it?

Cindy Munford on July 24, 2012 at 9:14 PM

novaculus on July 24, 2012 at 9:14 PM

I linked a story on that above, it may have been just a shooters vest, no armor.

Cindy Munford on July 24, 2012 at 9:15 PM

Heavy rubber gloves puts the entire world at youyr finger-tips.

hawkdriver on July 24, 2012 at 8:58 PM

You’re a better man than I am, Gunga Din!

novaculus on July 24, 2012 at 9:17 PM

Speaks volumes on why he excused Brian Ross of ABC, doesn’t it?

Cindy Munford on July 24, 2012 at 9:14 PM

Word is that they are personal friends, too.

novaculus on July 24, 2012 at 9:20 PM

Maybe Ric doesn’t know what a semiauto rifle is. for starters it’s not a “machine-gun”, a semiauto fires one round everytime the trigger is pulled. That’s it. If it’s not pointed at someone it’s no more dangerous than a bolt action.

JohnBrown on July 24, 2012 at 9:20 PM

I linked a story on that above, it may have been just a shooters vest, no armor.

Cindy Munford on July 24, 2012 at 9:15 PM

I saw that story earlier, and Resist We Much linked it above too. I am unsurprised that some of what we were told initially turns out to be inaccurate.

novaculus on July 24, 2012 at 9:21 PM

Ric on July 24, 2012 at 9:02 PM

Why don’t you explain to us what “semi-automatic” means. I suspect you don’t know.

Aviator on July 24, 2012 at 9:22 PM

Regarding the need of semi automatic weapons for Government Tyranny. Totally ineffective. A well ordered militia might have been a somewhat effect deterrent in the later 1700′s and early 1800′s but in today modern era small arms would be almost useless resisting the modern military. A hastily gathered militia could not stands against tanks, artillery, planes, air craft carriers ect.

Ric on July 24, 2012 at 9:02 PM

The Soviets in Afghanistan.
The US in Afghanistan.
The Syrian rebels.
The Libyan rebels.

sharrukin on July 24, 2012 at 9:06 PM

The actual war in both Afghanistan and Iraq against the respective governments were over fairly quickly. Its just putting down the insurgency and rebuilding the countries that has taken years. Furthermore the US, being a somewhat moral country. Did not exert maximum force on the population. If things ever got to a point where the military no longer upheld the Constitution then it not inconceivable that they would use maximum force against any uprising or rebellion.

Ric on July 24, 2012 at 9:23 PM

I linked a story on that above, it may have been just a shooters vest, no armor.

Cindy Munford on July 24, 2012 at 9:15 PM

Cindy, its a pretty safe bet that it was a tactical load-bearing vest and those usually have no ballistic resistant properties whatsoever.

Hey maybe while we’re at it we should ban Photographers vests, knap & day-sack, and outdoor backpacks! Those can carry EVIL…

…:cue echo chamber:

EVIL speed loaders, rifle magazines and …gasp!…SHOTGUN SHELLS.

The inhumanity! WHEN will it end?

BlaxPac on July 24, 2012 at 9:23 PM

Hell we should sell them to know drug dealers too.

Uppereastside on July 24, 2012 at 6:57 PM

See Operation Fast and Furious for results.

I believe it’s called manipulating data to achieve a perceived outcome.

See liberal ideology for explanation.

antipc on July 24, 2012 at 9:24 PM

A “heavy” gun is any weapon you feel compelled to make the smallest guy in the platoon carry.

hawkdriver on July 24, 2012 at 9:00 PM

Snort

katy the mean old lady on July 24, 2012 at 9:26 PM

BlaxPac on July 24, 2012 at 9:23 PM

My only problem with the information is that it would appear he could have been taken out. Although it was mentioned in the article that he would have been hard to hit since he was dressed all in black.

Cindy Munford on July 24, 2012 at 9:29 PM

The actual war in both Afghanistan and Iraq against the respective governments were over fairly quickly. Its just putting down the insurgency and rebuilding the countries that has taken years.

And if the US government attempted to enforce a tyranny, there also wouldn’t be a ‘war’. There would be a prolonged insurgency on a much vaster scale than Afghanistan (pop 30m). The US and Soviets were/are strained to hold Afghanistan and attempting to do that in a nation of 300 million would in all likelihood, be beyond their capability.

Furthermore the US, being a somewhat moral country. Did not exert maximum force on the population. If things ever got to a point where the military no longer upheld the Constitution then it not inconceivable that they would use maximum force against any uprising or rebellion.

Ric on July 24, 2012 at 9:23 PM

The Soviets were not gentle, nor moral in their Afghan campaign. Neither the Syrian or the Libyan governments could be called nice guys either.

sharrukin on July 24, 2012 at 9:30 PM

I also reject the argument of gun owners needing semi auto weapons to defend themselves against criminals. A pistol or shotgun works just fine as a deterrent and last resort weapon.

As for hunting animals, there unarmed. If your not skilled enough to protect yourself from an animal your hunting with a shotgun, pistol, or rifle you shouldn’t be hunting.

Ric on July 24, 2012 at 9:02 PM

Dear moron: six guns can be emptied just as fast as semi-autos. Same goes for pump shotguns vs. semi-auto shotguns. Firearms are essentially “deterrent and last resort weapons” for police, too, whom I’m sure you regard as well-trained enough to carry firearms. Why do they need semi-auto weapons which carry more than six rounds, but the rest of us should be able to get by without them? We’re all facing the same potential bad guys, but in most states those of us who are armed will have to draw from concealment, unlike uniformed policemen, and, according to you, should all have single shot .22 derringers.

As for hunting animals: your uniformed opinion is noted as such.

TexasDan on July 24, 2012 at 9:30 PM

The actual war in both Afghanistan and Iraq against the respective governments were over fairly quickly. Its just putting down the insurgency and rebuilding the countries that has taken years. Furthermore the US, being a somewhat moral country. Did not exert maximum force on the population. If things ever got to a point where the military no longer upheld the Constitution then it not inconceivable that they would use maximum force against any uprising or rebellion.

Ric on July 24, 2012 at 9:23 PM

But don’t forget the overall point was that part of the populace was able to start an insurgency in the face of a modern military, regardless if the military was moral or not.

To use your example, compare Afghanistan during the US & Soviets time in-country.

Small arms aren’t always enough and they don’t win wars on their own. If you do not possess the will to win, it matter not how well your armory is stocked.

BlaxPac on July 24, 2012 at 9:31 PM

novaculus on July 24, 2012 at 9:21 PM

I usually wait on most of these things, it is amazing how the information changes over the days, through no ill will. I think we know the important stuff, that twelve innocent people were killed for no good reason.

Cindy Munford on July 24, 2012 at 9:32 PM

The actual war in both Afghanistan and Iraq against the respective governments were over fairly quickly. Its just putting down the insurgency and rebuilding the countries that has taken years. Furthermore the US, being a somewhat moral country. Did not exert maximum force on the population. If things ever got to a point where the military no longer upheld the Constitution then it not inconceivable that they would use maximum force against any uprising or rebellion.

Ric on July 24, 2012 at 9:23 PM

Since I am no gun expert I wasn’t going to respond to you, but that comment is just stupid. So you think because we are a “somewhat” moral country, we went easy on the people in Iraq and Afghanistan, but our own military would use maximum force against their own families? Whatever point you are trying to make is obliterated by your lack of knowledge about guns and accessories, as well as your ignorance about who the people in our military are.

Night Owl on July 24, 2012 at 9:33 PM

JohnBrown on July 24, 2012 at 9:20 PM

I also reject the argument of gun owners needing semi auto weapons to defend themselves against criminals. A pistol or shotgun works just fine as a deterrent and last resort weapon.

This post from “Ric” pretty much demonstrates he has no clue what a semi auto is.

Aviator on July 24, 2012 at 9:33 PM

I saw that story earlier, and Resist We Much linked it above too. I am unsurprised that some of what we were told initially turns out to be inaccurate.

novaculus on July 24, 2012 at 9:21 PM

I’ve been wondering this from the get-go. AFAIK, ballistic plates are NOT available to the gen pop. Am I wrong about that?

What pisses me off is that it was the Aurora police chief who made it sound like he had actual plates. (And neck protector, groin protector…) You can buy a plate carrier easily enough, but one with actual plates seems hard to get. I thought I saw some used ones for sale once but I can’t recall clearly.

TexasDan on July 24, 2012 at 9:34 PM

The difference between this and SSM, I think, is that when he “evolved” on gay marriage, he was falling into line with virtually the entirety of his party. If he “evolved” now on gun control, by contrast, he’d be cross-wise with all sorts of purple-state Dems, and then the storyline would quickly shift from “Obama pushes new gun regulations” to “Democrats abandoning WH on new gun push.”

The “entirety” of the Democratic Party is in favor of gay marriage”?”

Really?

Then how was it voted down in a state like California, a state that is dominated by the Democratic Party?

If gay marriage is supported by “virtually the entirety of the Democratic Party”, why would the legislature in Massachussets not allow a proposition regarding gay marriage to be taken to the voters, another State dominated by the Democratic Party?

I can tell you, that when I used to attend Democratic Party fundraisers in a very blue state, not so long ago, the majority of the party regulars were by no means in support of gay marriage.

You should really get out of your sheltered NYC bubble every once in awhile, AP.

Ridiculous.

Dreadnought on July 24, 2012 at 9:36 PM

I also reject the argument of gun owners needing semi auto weapons to defend themselves against criminals. A pistol or shotgun works just fine as a deterrent and last resort weapon.

As for hunting animals, there unarmed. If your not skilled enough to protect yourself from an animal your hunting with a shotgun, pistol, or rifle you shouldn’t be hunting.

Ric on July 24, 2012 at 9:02 PM

The Second Amendment wasn’t written to protect hunting rights. Read the Founding Fathers.

We’re Gonna Brainwash Those 2nd Amendment Rights Right Outta Your Head

Why don’t you educate yourself about the crime rates in countries that have banned guns or with very strict gun control laws? I am from one of them. The crime rate didn’t decrease. Law-abiding citizens just became more vulnerable.

Jimmy’s Got A Gun (with more stats)

http://predicthistunpredictpast.blogspot.com/2012/07/jimmys-got-gun.html

M2RB: Aerosmith

Resist We Much on July 24, 2012 at 9:37 PM

The store that sold james his gear over the internet has been receiving death threats from our tolerant compassionate liberal friends all day.

tom daschle concerned on July 24, 2012 at 9:39 PM

I also reject the argument of gun owners needing semi auto weapons to defend themselves against criminals. A pistol or shotgun works just fine as a deterrent and last resort weapon.

Ric on July 24, 2012 at 9:02 PM

Guns are like womenz dresses, you need to own at least one for every occasion.

antipc on July 24, 2012 at 9:39 PM

Another political hack posing as objective journalist! Let’s blame the Constitution for the actions of Mr. Holmes?

jjnco73 on July 24, 2012 at 9:40 PM

Regarding the need of semi automatic weapons for Government Tyranny. Totally ineffective. A well ordered militia might have been a somewhat effect deterrent in the later 1700′s and early 1800′s but in today modern era small arms would be almost useless resisting the modern military. A hastily gathered militia could not stands against tanks, artillery, planes, air craft carriers ect.
 
Ric on July 24, 2012 at 9:02 PM

 

Its just putting down the insurgency and rebuilding the countries that has taken years.
 
Ric on July 24, 2012 at 9:23 PM

 

more bloodshed in the longterm if the US stayed in the region. He has been proven wrong with the success of the surge, but let’s face it- Iraq up to that point had been a giant mismanged fiscao. It wasn’t unreasonable for opponents of the war to be skeptical that Iraq was going to turn around if given more time.
 
Ric on October 8, 2008 at 11:37 AM

 
Well played.

rogerb on July 24, 2012 at 9:40 PM

I also reject the argument of gun owners needing semi auto weapons to defend themselves against criminals. A pistol or shotgun works just fine as a deterrent and last resort weapon.

Ric on July 24, 2012 at 9:02 PM

Do you even know what a semi-automatic weapon is? I own two semi-auto shotguns and two semi-auto pistols.

Kevin71 on July 24, 2012 at 9:40 PM

My only problem with the information is that it would appear he could have been taken out. Although it was mentioned in the article that he would have been hard to hit since he was dressed all in black.

Cindy Munford on July 24, 2012 at 9:29 PM

Sad but true, Cindy.

Hard to hit but not impossible. Up until the point his primary weapon jammed, ANY person that had reasonable amount of training would have fired back above and around his muzzle flashes.

With the capacity crowd that was in the theater that night, there should have been at least 2-4 other CCW in there.

Not saying that people wouldn’t have died still..the SOB was smart enough and planned well enough for what he was able to accomplish…but its probably the death toll wouldn’t have been as much as it was.

BlaxPac on July 24, 2012 at 9:41 PM

Thank you ric for expressing the stereotypical ignorant leftist’s view on this issue. You’ve done yeowmans work.

tom daschle concerned on July 24, 2012 at 9:43 PM

Ric on July 24, 2012 at 9:02 PM

If you don’t know what semi-automatic means, you can’t make an effective argument.

Rusty Allen on July 24, 2012 at 9:46 PM

I also reject the argument of gun owners needing semi auto weapons to defend themselves against criminals. A pistol or shotgun works just fine as a deterrent and last resort weapon.

Ric on July 24, 2012 at 9:02 PM

Do you even know what a semi-automatic weapon is? I own two semi-auto shotguns and two semi-auto pistols.

Kevin71 on July 24, 2012 at 9:40 PM

Kevin,

He has no clue. I own a 9mm glock, S&W 45, and a M4 Carbine semi- Auto which reminds me of my youthful days as a Ranger! No clue!

jjnco73 on July 24, 2012 at 9:50 PM

sharrukin on July 24, 2012 at 9:30 PM

Additionally, what’s this guy’s argument? That we’re dead anyway, so we may as well roll over? Seems like the opposite of, “They may take our lives, but…”

I hope the US stands forever without such a blemish on its record, but if there ever comes a time when citizens are compelled to fight against the government, I would hope we don’t balk at the cost associated with freeing it. Some things are worth it.

Esthier on July 24, 2012 at 9:51 PM

I also reject the argument of gun owners needing semi auto weapons to defend themselves against criminals. A pistol or shotgun works just fine as a deterrent and last resort weapon.

Ric on July 24, 2012 at 9:02 PM

Reject it as much as you like, but gun owners don’t use semi-auto to JUST defend themselves.

BTW, even if they did, so what?

They’re LEGAL gun owners…as such within the reasonable accommodations one expects from a Civil Society, they can own to use whatever they damn well please.

If you don’t like guns just on the basis that they *look* like what the military carries or its uses 2000 rounds, again that’s less than none of your business as long as i don’t break the law using it before or afterwards.

I’m a gun owner and I hunted for food, but I am not a fan of *sport* hunting…regardless, its *still* legal and I don’t poo-poo every guy/gal in camouflage from putting a jacketed soft-point into Bambi brain-pan…

…besides, Bambi is great with fresh greens and a baked spud… :o)

BlaxPac on July 24, 2012 at 9:52 PM

I would like to nominate Ric for Best Liberal in a Supporting Role for his work in this thread. He facilitated an otherwise boring discussion by so enthusiastically providing the stereotypical left wing, uninformed, emotional arguments.

SurferDoc on July 24, 2012 at 9:53 PM

That interview with Jason Chaffetz was the worst display of ignorance by O’Reilly I have ever seen. He knows nothing about firearms or firearms laws, and what he thinks he knows is wrong.

It is just mind-boggling irresponsibility to suggest that anyone can walk in to any gun store and buy a machine gun.

I have never had that high an opinion of the bloviating self-promoter, but that was just despicable.

novaculus on July 24, 2012 at 9:10 PM

He is a pompous blowhard. He is also grossly ignorant and/or misinformed on the law when it comes to firearms. Fully-automatic weapons were banned in the National Firearms Act of 1934, which was supported by the NRA. Further, the National Firearms Act of 1968 went back and fixed some of the 1934 Act that had been overturned by the Supreme Court (Haynes was the most serious case) and banned or closely-regulated weapons like machine guns, short-barrel shotguns, poison gas, tear gas, etc.

It is a COMPLETE FALLACY that a person can just walk into a gun shop and purchase an automatic weapon or be in legal possession of a nuclear bomb, but strawmen make good incendiary devices, which are great at both inflaming passions and diverting attention from the real goals of the gun control crowd.

Cindy, yes, the militia issue has been settled. The Court dealt with the individual right to bear arms at the Federal level in Heller and at the state level in McDonald. :-)

Resist We Much on July 24, 2012 at 9:55 PM

My only problem with the information is that it would appear he could have been taken out. Although it was mentioned in the article that he would have been hard to hit since he was dressed all in black.

Cindy Munford on July 24, 2012 at 9:29 PM

The way I read it, he entered from a door near the front row, and when shooting he stood in front of the front row, in the light of the projector. The movie didn’t stop until after the shooting.

Like most of what we’ve read, this may change.

slickwillie2001 on July 24, 2012 at 9:55 PM

BOR is someone I used to watch nightly…

d1carter on July 24, 2012 at 9:55 PM

BlaxPac on July 24, 2012 at 9:41 PM

And we wouldn’t have to watch him, he could have gone out in a blaze of glory to match his fake red hair.

Cindy Munford on July 24, 2012 at 9:56 PM

I also reject the argument of gun owners needing semi auto weapons… A pistol or shotgun works just fine as a deterrent and last resort weapon.
 
Ric on July 24, 2012 at 9:02 PM

 
Good for you for sticking with your position anyway.
 
Obama 2012!!/!
 
Re: “last resort”, you might do well to read up on “castle doctrine“.

rogerb on July 24, 2012 at 9:57 PM

Additionally, what’s this guy’s argument? That we’re dead anyway, so we may as well roll over? Seems like the opposite of, “They may take our lives, but…”

He’s a leftist so the idea of the government telling everyone what to do is a feature to him, not something to fight against.

I hope the US stands forever without such a blemish on its record, but if there ever comes a time when citizens are compelled to fight against the government, I would hope we don’t balk at the cost associated with freeing it. Some things are worth it.

Esthier on July 24, 2012 at 9:51 PM

It only takes a small number to make a big difference. Only about a third of the population support the original American Revolution.

sharrukin on July 24, 2012 at 9:57 PM

slickwillie2001 on July 24, 2012 at 9:55 PM

So if the screen was lighter he would have been illuminated and an easier target? I still think we are early days yet in how all this really went down.

Cindy Munford on July 24, 2012 at 9:58 PM

I love his point about trying to make this more about the victims than the murderer.

Esthier on July 24, 2012 at 10:01 PM

TexasDan on July 24, 2012 at 9:34 PM

As far as I know, plates are legal, under federal law and here in Indiana. A felony in Indian to wear body armor in the commission of another crime. State law varies. Federal law bans possession of body armor by convicted felons, IIRC.

novaculus on July 24, 2012 at 10:03 PM

It only takes a small number to make a big difference. Only about a third of the population support the original American Revolution.

sharrukin on July 24, 2012 at 9:57 PM

We’re very comfortable these days. It’s good and bad.

Esthier on July 24, 2012 at 10:07 PM

o/t

Report: Chinese Police Rescue “Fantasy Girl” … Still “Non-Responsive,” But Back At Work

M2RB: .38 Special, live at Sturgis
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“So, honey, what did you do today??? ….”

Resist We Much on July 24, 2012 at 10:09 PM

Guns are like womenz dresses, you need to own at least one for every occasion.

antipc on July 24, 2012 at 9:39 PM

I like your point because it has the virtue of being both correct and bizarrely phrased.

I mean, I gave up cross-dressing years ago but I get it.

Nicely done.

CorporatePiggy on July 24, 2012 at 10:12 PM

I wish there was a way for these folks to get a lot less attention. The Unibomber was another one and he didn’t use guns. Global warming nut.

Cindy Munford on July 24, 2012 at 10:17 PM

CorporatePiggy on July 24, 2012 at 10:12 PM

Thanks. Haven’t started cross-dressing ……yet, but I’ll keep you in mind should I ever have a change of sanity :)

antipc on July 24, 2012 at 10:18 PM

I also reject the argument of gun owners needing semi auto weapons to defend themselves against criminals. A pistol or shotgun works just fine as a deterrent and last resort weapon.

Ric on July 24, 2012 at 9:02 PM

Do you even know what a semi-automatic weapon is? I own two semi-auto shotguns and two semi-auto pistols.

Kevin71 on July 24, 2012 at 9:40 PM
Kevin,

He has no clue. I own a 9mm glock, S&W 45, and a M4 Carbine semi- Auto which reminds me of my youthful days as a Ranger! No clue!

jjnco73 on July 24, 2012 at 9:50 PM

So proud of his ignorance…sheesh! I’ve got a Ruger P-89 9MM, a little .22 my wife shoots, a Franchi 12 GA semi-auto, and a Japanese KFC 12 GA semi-auto…and those are just the semi’s. I’m planning to buy an M4 soon. And Thank You for your service.

Kevin71 on July 24, 2012 at 10:29 PM

a Franchi 12 GA semi-auto
 
Kevin71 on July 24, 2012 at 10:29 PM

 
Does anyone else remember the (sorry Ric) Franchi selectable pump/semi-auto shotgun? I’ve never seen or shot one, but it always seemed like a clever idea.
 
I’d love to have a Wingmaster with that option.

rogerb on July 24, 2012 at 10:44 PM

The One will have time to “evolve” after the election. You know like with Russia…

old school on July 24, 2012 at 10:57 PM

blink on July 24, 2012 at 10:41 PM

And they are scary looking to.

Cindy Munford on July 24, 2012 at 11:13 PM

As for hunting animals, there unarmed. If your not skilled enough to protect yourself from an animal your hunting with a shotgun, pistol, or rifle you shouldn’t be hunting.

Ric

Typical lib. Knows everything about everything, except basic grammar apparently, lol.

Surely you’re a conservative that’s trying to make liberals look stupid.

Blink

Naaah, he’s a lib. There was another one here yesterday making the same stupid argument.

xblade on July 24, 2012 at 11:19 PM

xblade on July 24, 2012 at 11:19 PM

Contractions are hard.

Cindy Munford on July 24, 2012 at 11:23 PM

Speaks volumes on why he excused Brian Ross of ABC, doesn’t it?

Cindy Munford on July 24, 2012 at 9:14 PM

What? I’ve got to find video of that. I went to the show’s web site and found the Chaffetz interview… there are no words. Billo was flyin off the handle and showing how uninformed he is. Walking out of a gun show with a machine gun? Thats a favorite gun control talking point and utterly false. I would have walked out of that interview after the first two minutes.

First time I’ve watched billo in awhile, I don’t miss him.

oryguncon on July 24, 2012 at 11:42 PM

if you don’t know what semi-automatic means, you can’t make an effective argument.

Rusty Allen on July 24, 2012 at 9:46 PM

Fair enough, I was being too imprecise in my terminology. I support banning assault weapons like the AR 15. I’m in good company too, so does Mitt Romney. “In 2004, presumptive Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney signed a permanent assault weapons ban into law in Massachusetts. That included guns like the AR-15.

As for all of the arguments that the U.S. military couldn’t conquer America I’m afraid where just going to have to agree to disagree. Honestly its a hypothetical scenario. Which Conservatives bring up all the time. The best weapon against tyranny via the U.S. military imo is the morality of the U.S. army. I just don’t believe they would turn against their own countrymen and slaughter millions.

Ric on July 24, 2012 at 11:47 PM

Fair enough, I was being too imprecise in my terminology. I support banning assault weapons like the AR 15. I’m in good company too, so does Mitt Romney.

Ric on July 24, 2012 at 11:47 PM

That’s not what I would call good company.

There is no difference between an AR-15 and any other semi-automatic rifle. It just looks scary which is why they banned it rather than many others that were not banned.

sharrukin on July 24, 2012 at 11:52 PM

And we wouldn’t have to watch him, he could have gone out in a blaze of glory to match his fake red hair.

Cindy Munford on July 24, 2012 at 9:56 PM

Believe me, If i had a good shot at him, that red hair wouldn’t have been faked.

I don’t like bullies, and I sure as he!! don’t like little beyo-itches that think going against an unarmed crowd is “fair sport”.

Come to the Big City, Champ and go up against someone that *will* fight back.

BlaxPac on July 25, 2012 at 12:04 AM

HA happens to pick the one misguided guy amongst 10 others who strongly disagree with his opinion.

Uppereastside on July 24, 2012 at 6:57 PM

You’re saying that the family members of all of the other victims have called for more gun control?
Well, personally. I think you’re lying…but if you posted the videos of allthose family members……………….

Solaratov on July 25, 2012 at 12:07 AM

Does anyone else remember the (sorry Ric) Franchi selectable pump/semi-auto shotgun? I’ve never seen or shot one, but it always seemed like a clever idea.

I’d love to have a Wingmaster with that option.

rogerb on July 24, 2012 at 10:44 PM

Are you talking about the SPAS-12 or 15, Roger?

Both of them are damned fine weapons, even if the -12 really was made for extra large folks.

Never had a chance to “use” one, but handled a few around the cracker barrel @ favorite gun store.

Shotgun-wise, rather have a Benneli OR if i have to go full PMS on someone, I think i’d rather have a USAS-12 and as many mags I can stack and pack.

BlaxPac on July 25, 2012 at 12:13 AM

I just don’t believe they would turn against their own countrymen and slaughter millions.

Ric on July 24, 2012 at 11:47 PM

I’ll take my ar over your incredulity any day of the week.

tom daschle concerned on July 25, 2012 at 12:17 AM

Can’t go wrong with ‘em. I had a 220 for several years now and shes a sweet piece to shoot….

OTOH, I had my eye on a Kimber or the Para-Ord 1911′s, and those, man oh man, does my mouth water when I see/use those!

BlaxPac on July 24, 2012 at 7:17 PM

I picked up a Para 1911 in March. Holding it in my hands felt right so I bought it.

Eprider on July 25, 2012 at 12:23 AM

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