Quotes of the day

posted at 8:01 pm on July 20, 2012 by Erika Johnsen

An eager audience forgoing sleep to take in the midnight showing of “The Dark Knight Rises” instead were witnesses Friday to a bloody mass shooting at a suburban Denver movie theater. Police said a man clad in black threw a canister that spewed smoke before he opened fire. Witnesses said that at first, they thought it was a prank or a stunt. Then the gunman shot steadily at the audience, not speaking.

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The man suspected in the mass shooting at an Aurora, Colorado, movie theater screening of the new Batman film early Friday had colored his hair red and told police he was “the Joker,” according to a federal law enforcement source with detailed knowledge of the investigation.

At least 12 people were killed in the rampage and 59 were wounded.

…Witnesses to the shooting described him as wearing a gas mask that concealed much of his face and head. But the federal law enforcement source’s information about the suspect’s appearance fits with a statement from New York Police Commissioner Ray Kelly, who was briefed by Colorado authorities Friday. …

Police say Holmes, 24, dressed head-to-toe in protective tactical gear, set off two devices of some kind before spraying the theater with bullets from an AR-15 rifle, a 12-gauge shotgun and at least one of two .40-caliber handguns police recovered at the scene.

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Jordan told the paper that one girl was struck in cheek, others in stomach including a girl who looked to be around 9-years-old. …

“Like little explosions going on and shortly after that we heard people screaming,” he told the station. …

The youngest victim reported was a 6-year-old being treated at Children’s Hospital Colorado, where a total of six victims were taken. Their condition wasn’t known.

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Now, even as we learn how this happened and who’s responsible, we may never understand what leads anybody to terrorize their fellow human beings like this. Such violence, such evil is senseless. It’s beyond reason. But while we will never know fully what causes somebody to take the life of another, we do know what makes life worth living. The people we lost in Aurora loved, and they were loved. They were mothers and fathers; they were husbands and wives; sisters and brothers; sons and daughters, friends and neighbors. They had hopes for the future, and they had dreams that were not yet fulfilled.

And if there’s anything to take away from this tragedy, it’s the reminder that life is very fragile. Our time here is limited, and it is precious. And what matters at the end of the day is not the small things, it’s not the trivial things, which so often consume us and our daily lives. Ultimately, it’s how we choose to treat one another and how we love one another.

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“Our hearts break with the sadness of this unspeakable tragedy,” Romney said, according to a rush transcript. “Ann and I join the president and first lady and all Americans in offering our deepest condolences for those whose lives were shattered in a few moments, a few moments of evil, in Colorado. I stand before you today not as a man running for office but as a father and grandfather, a husband, an American. This is a time for each of us to look into our hearts and remember how much we love one another and how much we love and how much we care for our great country. There’s so much love and goodness in the heart of America.”

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The telegenic schoolmarms we call pundits are all denouncing the politicization of the tragedy in Aurora, calling out the crass opportunists who would dare to use human suffering to advance their preferred public policy choices. I feel terrible about what happened in that movie theater, and I’m agnostic about gun control, but there is nothing wrong with politicizing tragedy.

The talking heads don’t like it, because they think of politics as a silly game about who sang out of tune and whose words can be used against them and whose surrogate undercut whose message, but politics is about life and death and human suffering. At least that’s what it should be about. …

…But politics matters, because policies matter. “Obamacare” and “gay marriage” are not just issues that might play badly with swing voters or turn the tide in Virginia; they’re issues that affect people’s lives. Gun control and the Second Amendment are issues, too, and now seems like a pretty good time to talk about them.

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“Soothing words are nice,” Bloomberg said during a regularly scheduled appearance on WOR 710 AM in New York. “But maybe it’s time the two people who want to be president of the United States stand up and tell us what they’re going to do about it, because this is obviously a problem across the country. And everybody always says, ‘Isn’t it tragic?’”

“I mean, there’s so many murders with guns every day,” Bloomberg continued. “It’s just gotta stop. And instead of these two people, President [Barack] Obama and Governor [Mitt] Romney talking in broad things about, they want to make the world a better place. OK, tell us how. And this is a problem. No matter where you stand on the Second Amendment, no matter where you stand on guns, we have a right to hear from both of them, concretely, not just in generalities, specifically, what are they going to do about guns?”

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The only fitting response to a terrible crime like this is silence or prayer. The idea that acts of mass murder reflect Hollywood violence is absurd; you can’t get more violent than King Lear. It’s true that guns are more convenient than hatchets as mass-murder weapons; they are also more convenient for self-defense. Defense and attack are generally on par in the long blood-stain of human history, and this is the wrong moment for political agitation for or against gun control. (If such laws really did “control” guns it might be different. But as matters stand, if we outlaw guns, we had better outlaw crime also.) A whole generation has been reared, in many parts of society, without the moral compass of biblical religion. Does that make any difference to the rate of violent crime? I don’t know and, again, this is the wrong moment to argue about it. In human life, savagery is a given. God knows we all wish it weren’t.


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I’m of the belief that, in psychology, liberals need a whole new classification. They aren’t crazy, they don’t fit into any known, acknowledged, or accepted category of the science.

There is something very seriously wrong with liberals, but no one knows what. I bet if you ask a liberal, “Why are you liberal?” they can’t give you a solid answer. But if you ask a serial killer why he did his thing, he’ll tell you some kind of reason, demented though it might be.

Liberals can’t do that much.

Liam on July 21, 2012 at 1:07 AM

They want a return to a licentious Eden, to a fantasy childhood where the state takes care of them and shelters them from the world, while providing a consequence free existence where they can do anything they wish.

sharrukin on July 21, 2012 at 1:15 AM

/Still on vacation, popping in for the evening on the way back home.

AZfederalist on July 21, 2012 at 1:12 AM

Good to see you, AZ. Hope the vacay has been a pleasant one!

4Grace on July 21, 2012 at 1:16 AM

Of what? At the place in the forest? Various folks. Friends, family, the better half, me etc. I like spice cake too.

Bmore on July 21, 2012 at 1:01 AM

Strange. I don’t know what to say. The pics are really all very good. If you took a box of my fam & friends pictures, they would look … um, different. :) I assumed someone just knew what they were doing, but now I’m explanationless. Is too a word.

Axe on July 21, 2012 at 1:16 AM

My experience with lib co-workers and friends is that they operate too often on feelings. Not rational thought, but feelings.

Drives me crazy.

4Grace on July 21, 2012 at 12:51 AM

I think it involves a certain intellectual laziness and moral cowardice. These people don’t want to exert the intellectual energy required to form principled opinions, and they don’t have the moral courage to engage in serious examination of themselves. It is much easier to engage in self-gratification and adopt a superior attitude toward anyone who doesn’t buy into their little dream world.

novaculus on July 21, 2012 at 1:16 AM

http://youtu.be/EoD_SEoDPzc

It’s the worms that make ‘em that way.
throw the bums out
Fred

jrsrigmvr on July 21, 2012 at 1:17 AM

4Grace
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDgT0a6hepg&feature=related

How about this version of Parting Glass by Celtic Woman? Maybe the production was a little overdone.

bayview on July 21, 2012 at 1:19 AM

Axe on July 21, 2012 at 1:12 AM

I’ve been at Al-Anon, and been lectured to by an alcoholic who is sober 13 years but says she’s still messed up.

Right–if I were in AA, I would trust that person to keep me sober?

Not a chance.

In my experience, if you became a drunk or a regular pothead at age 13, your brain stopped growing at that point. And you can’t get it back.

I have met guys who sold their kids’ Christmas gifts to get crack on Christmas Eve.

You’re not alone Axe, I assure you.

Liam on July 21, 2012 at 1:20 AM

Greetings from the Daylight Side.

Today’s lunch special: Dragon Whisker Noodles (龙须面).

DarkCurrent on July 21, 2012 at 1:20 AM

Agreed, but I think the moral consequences often upset them because they see so few absolutes in the world. No absolute right/wrong. No absolute good/evil. Talk about your 50 Shades of Gray!

4Grace on July 21, 2012 at 1:13 AM

I think they play more of a libertine game where those 50 shades of gray act as a cover for their own lack of conviction and allows them the ‘freedom’ to do as they please. They certainly have no qualms about condemning conservatives in absolute terms. Where does that subtlety go when attacking the right?

sharrukin on July 21, 2012 at 1:20 AM

Rainbow Demon

thatsafactjack on July 21, 2012 at 1:21 AM

AZfederalist on July 21, 2012 at 1:12 AM

Apparently he went in dressed normally and bought a ticket. At some point he left by a side exit and propped open the door. Went to his car parked right out in back and geared up, then went back in the side door.

novaculus on July 21, 2012 at 1:21 AM

My sister to a tee. Doesn’t matter what proof you put on the table she just blithely goes on as if it wasn’t staring her in the face.

sharrukin on July 21, 2012 at 12:57 AM

Does she use the word “stupid” (or equivalent) as a staple and accuse you of being used by some sort of “them?”

If so — we might be related.

Axe on July 21, 2012 at 1:22 AM

How about this version of Parting Glass by Celtic Woman? Maybe the production was a little overdone.

bayview on July 21, 2012 at 1:19 AM

I get your point about production, but I’ll listen to them sing ANYTHING. They literally transport me to another country and another time. Pleasant.

4Grace on July 21, 2012 at 1:24 AM

Moral consequences upset them the most because they are threatened by the idea that they might be judged on who they are.

sharrukin on July 21, 2012 at 1:11 AM

Agreed, but I think the moral consequences often upset them because they see so few absolutes in the world. No absolute right/wrong. No absolute good/evil. Talk about your 50 Shades of Gray!

4Grace on July 21, 2012 at 1:13 AM

If there are no more absolutes or principles, then any kind of behavior can be rationalized one way or another, depending on the situation. Very handy if you want to do whatever and not take any responsibility for your actions.

novaculus on July 21, 2012 at 1:24 AM

They want a return to a licentious Eden, to a fantasy childhood where the state takes care of them and shelters them from the world, while providing a consequence free existence where they can do anything they wish.

sharrukin on July 21, 2012 at 1:15 AM

Yes. But everything has a price somewhere along the line, which is the very thing liberals don’t realize. ad they never will, they refuse to.

Which is why I believe liberals need to be psychologically classified as something other than what is in human experience. Realistically, according to the science, liberals are an aberration.

Liam on July 21, 2012 at 1:24 AM

Today’s lunch special: Dragon Whisker Noodles (龙须面).

DarkCurrent on July 21, 2012 at 1:20 AM

… not going to tell you that looks appetizing … until I know what’s actually in it …

Axe on July 21, 2012 at 1:25 AM

I have met guys who sold their kids’ Christmas gifts to get crack on Christmas Eve.

You’re not alone Axe, I assure you.

Liam on July 21, 2012 at 1:20 AM

I knew a guy who beat his mother so violently that he put her in the hospital where she died a few weeks later. She asked him about a package of frozen steaks he had stolen for heroin.

The best part was that his mother had asked me to drive him back home the previous day, from another town where he had lost another job.

sharrukin on July 21, 2012 at 1:25 AM

Oh Piers….you can always move to Chicago/Illinois. We have the strictest gun laws in all the country….where the bad guys are the only ones with the guns….which makes Chicago THE most violent in all the country.

As of the end of June this year…..Homicides 273 and non fatal shootings 1267….that’s right 1267. So much for the “strictest gun laws in all the country”.

“The best way to stop a bad guy with a gun, is a good guy with a gun”.
….Wayne LaPierre, VP of the NRA.

tencole on July 21, 2012 at 1:26 AM

Where does that subtlety go when attacking the right?

sharrukin on July 21, 2012 at 1:20 AM

Lolz, good point.

4Grace on July 21, 2012 at 1:26 AM

DarkCurrent on July 21, 2012 at 1:20 AM

Good day to you, DC!

4Grace on July 21, 2012 at 1:27 AM

Does she use the word “stupid” (or equivalent) as a staple and accuse you of being used by some sort of “them?”

If so — we might be related.

Axe on July 21, 2012 at 1:22 AM

Not anymore. She just tells people that I am somewhat to the right of Genghis Khan and leaves it at that. We tend to avoid talking about politics.

sharrukin on July 21, 2012 at 1:27 AM

Axe on July 21, 2012 at 1:22 AM

LOL

4Grace on July 21, 2012 at 1:29 AM

I knew a guy who beat his mother so violently that he put her in the hospital where she died a few weeks later. She asked him about a package of frozen steaks he had stolen for heroin.

The best part was that his mother had asked me to drive him back home the previous day, from another town where he had lost another job.

sharrukin on July 21, 2012 at 1:25 AM

Liberals don’t see that as a problem. They see that as a case for methadone treatment. Paid for by the government with needle exchanges, too.

Liam on July 21, 2012 at 1:29 AM

Hey did Obama’s fundraising numbers come out today? I thought there was supposed to be a filing but I didn’t see anything about it.

gophergirl on July 21, 2012 at 12:26 AM

Obama was the last to file today.

And here’s Romney’s.

In June, Obama out-raised Romney by close to $23 million. Outspent Romney by $30 million. And with a campaign burn-rate of $1.93 million/day, Obama is now about $32 million in the hole– roughly the difference between his campaign spending and Romney’s for the month.

Romney has $22.5 million cash on hand at the end of June, up from $17 million end of May.
Obama has $97.5 million cash on hand at end of June, down from $110 million end of May.

Trend lines.

de rigueur on July 21, 2012 at 1:29 AM

If there are no more absolutes or principles, then any kind of behavior can be rationalized one way or another, depending on the situation. Very handy if you want to do whatever and not take any responsibility for your actions.

novaculus on July 21, 2012 at 1:24 AM

Exactly.

4Grace on July 21, 2012 at 1:30 AM

Liberals don’t see that as a problem. They see that as a case for methadone treatment. Paid for by the government with needle exchanges, too.

Liam on July 21, 2012 at 1:29 AM

That incident always pops into my head when people talk about drugs being a victimless crime.

sharrukin on July 21, 2012 at 1:31 AM

They want a return to a licentious Eden, to a fantasy childhood where the state takes care of them and shelters them from the world, while providing a consequence free existence where they can do anything they wish.

sharrukin on July 21, 2012 at 1:15 AM

There was no golden age.

Even within Christianity, God made Adam — and immediately handed him a pair of pruning shears and told him to get to work.

Thinking about the reason one would want this place you just described … it’s internally inconsistent … being a demigod would be terrifying for a limited being, not comfortable (completely free existence) … and being completely shielded is being completely limited …

… walkabout with sippage.

Axe on July 21, 2012 at 1:32 AM

Strange. I don’t know what to say. The pics are really all very good. If you took a box of my fam & friends pictures, they would look … um, different. :) I assumed someone just knew what they were doing, but now I’m explanationless. Is too a word.

Axe on July 21, 2012 at 1:16 AM

Well I’m glad you enjoy. I spend a bit of time tweaking them. Some of the old family stuff is shot on a film called Kodachrome, very good quality. My Father loved cameras. He used to sneak he and Mom into various shows and such posing as a press photographer. I have some photos with one of him doing just that, which will be going up soon. The Makinac series I stumbled into a back door on an archive site of all the original negatives. They where in fantastic shape. I don’t know who photographed the Pearl girls for example. Wasn’t Mom she’s in them. She was the only one of the girls that could drive though. I have a friend who like photography, he gives me lots. Then whatever the better have and I have shot over the years and recently. I try to make them look nice. Its really nice to know someone noticed. It’s actually a good bit of work. Fun though.

Bmore on July 21, 2012 at 1:32 AM

If there are no more absolutes or principles, then any kind of behavior can be rationalized one way or another, depending on the situation. Very handy if you want to do whatever and not take any responsibility for your actions.

novaculus on July 21, 2012 at 1:24 AM

Not exactly true. Liberalism is absolute, subject to change according to the need of the moment.

(Yes, I know exactly what I wrote).

Liam on July 21, 2012 at 1:33 AM

Where does that subtlety go when attacking the right?

sharrukin on July 21, 2012 at 1:20 AM

Lolz, good point.

4Grace on July 21, 2012 at 1:26 AM

It isn’t rational, it is fear. People who have standards and principles and try to live up to them represent to them the moral duties they know they are shirking. They feel threatened by the challenge to their comfortable, conscienceless existence, so they attack.

novaculus on July 21, 2012 at 1:33 AM

P.s. you’re the writer, you should know whether that’s a word or not. Beats me. Lol!

Bmore on July 21, 2012 at 1:33 AM

de rigueur on July 21, 2012 at 1:29 AM

Thanks for the info. I was looking for that earlier in the day and couldn’t find anything.

4Grace on July 21, 2012 at 1:33 AM

Liam on July 21, 2012 at 1:33 AM

Sure, I understand the point. There are no absolutes. The only principle is that there are no principles.

novaculus on July 21, 2012 at 1:34 AM

Bridge of Sighs, Trower

thatsafactjack on July 21, 2012 at 1:34 AM

… not going to tell you that looks appetizing … until I know what’s actually in it …

Axe on July 21, 2012 at 1:25 AM

Nothing too scary. Just the noodles, bok choy, shiitake mushrooms, fried chicken egg, huanghuacai (dried lily) and cilantro in a mildly spicy broth.

DarkCurrent on July 21, 2012 at 1:35 AM

and being completely shielded is being completely limited …

Axe on July 21, 2012 at 1:32 AM

Brave New World, but is exactly what they are striving for. It never turns out to be what they expected but they never stop striving for it.

sharrukin on July 21, 2012 at 1:35 AM

novaculus on July 21, 2012 at 1:34 AM

The only law, or principle, that the liberal will stand up for, is the one they’re hiding behind.

thatsafactjack on July 21, 2012 at 1:36 AM

Good day to you, DC!

4Grace on July 21, 2012 at 1:27 AM

Howdy!

DarkCurrent on July 21, 2012 at 1:36 AM

The best part was that his mother had asked me to drive him back home the previous day, from another town where he had lost another job.

sharrukin on July 21, 2012 at 1:25 AM

Ah. Sorry you have that to backpack, sharrukin. I hope you have it well ordered and off your heart and everything? Not your doing, etc? Sorry sorry.

Axe on July 21, 2012 at 1:37 AM

Romney’s actually in better shape than his own campaign committee filing would suggest. There’s also Romney Victory, his joint effort with the RNC.

Together, Romney for President and Romney Victory have $106 million cash on hand at the end of June.

de rigueur on July 21, 2012 at 1:38 AM

People who have standards and principles and try to live up to them represent to them the moral duties they know they are shirking. They feel threatened by the challenge to their comfortable, conscienceless existence, so they attack.

novaculus on July 21, 2012 at 1:33 AM

That is a major part of the motivation to attack traditional Christianity. They can tolerate liberal churches who don’t mean what they say, but not Christians who really believe.

sharrukin on July 21, 2012 at 1:38 AM

That incident always pops into my head when people talk about drugs being a victimless crime.

sharrukin on July 21, 2012 at 1:31 AM

I know what you mean. It’s a word game among liberals. There can be no crime if there is no victim. But there ARE victims, and liberals don’t want to hear that. So they try that bit of sophistry.

Basically, liberalism is total incoherence.

Heck! They call prostitution a victimless crime. As if those women somehow aren’t victims somewhere along the line.

Liam on July 21, 2012 at 1:38 AM

The only law, or principle, that the liberal will stand up for, is the one they’re hiding behind.

thatsafactjack on July 21, 2012 at 1:36 AM

Ooh, I wanna steal that one.

4Grace on July 21, 2012 at 1:39 AM

Sure, I understand the point. There are no absolutes. The only principle is that there are no principles.

novaculus on July 21, 2012 at 1:34 AM

Some people do have principles in the common meaning of the term. And they are derided, denigrated, and even forced from their jobs for them.

And that is done most often by…

…Wait for it…

LLLLLLLLLLLLiberals!

Liam on July 21, 2012 at 1:40 AM

Ah. Sorry you have that to backpack, sharrukin. I hope you have it well ordered and off your heart and everything? Not your doing, etc? Sorry sorry.

Axe on July 21, 2012 at 1:37 AM

It was my doing. I thought about telling her no and I knew she was weak as far as her son went. I went because my mother was a friend of hers and it was the easiest thing to do. I could have said no, and he wouldn’t have been there.

I know that he might have done something similar another day, but then again…he might not have.

sharrukin on July 21, 2012 at 1:41 AM

4Grace on July 21, 2012 at 1:39 AM

Be my guest!

thatsafactjack on July 21, 2012 at 1:41 AM

DarkCurrent on July 21, 2012 at 1:36 AM

We’re all roasting over here. What’s your weather like lately?

4Grace on July 21, 2012 at 1:42 AM

Heck! They call prostitution a victimless crime. As if those women somehow aren’t victims somewhere along the line.

Liam on July 21, 2012 at 1:38 AM

Those women also have mothers, brothers, sisters and fathers. They are also affected by what they do.

sharrukin on July 21, 2012 at 1:43 AM

de rigueur on July 21, 2012 at 1:38 AM

Now that’s excellent news!

thatsafactjack on July 21, 2012 at 1:43 AM

Good to see you, AZ. Hope the vacay has been a pleasant one!

4Grace on July 21, 2012 at 1:16 AM

Quite enjoyable, chance to get together with family and have a great time.

AZfederalist on July 21, 2012 at 1:43 AM

Well folks my glass is empty and the better half informs me that there won’t be another pitcher. Mojitos, least I think that’s how you spell it. I’m not Abigail fancy drink guy, but I have to confess, they were very good. Anyhow.

Good Night All.

Bmore on July 21, 2012 at 1:44 AM

Abigail=a big, freaking iPad.

Bmore on July 21, 2012 at 1:45 AM

Good Night All.

Bmore on July 21, 2012 at 1:44 AM

Night!

sharrukin on July 21, 2012 at 1:45 AM

Apparently he went in dressed normally and bought a ticket. At some point he left by a side exit and propped open the door. Went to his car parked right out in back and geared up, then went back in the side door.

novaculus on July 21, 2012 at 1:21 AM

Thanks for that piece of information; LSM has been somewhat difficult to follow to pull together the facts rather than the overt anti-gun agenda.

AZfederalist on July 21, 2012 at 1:45 AM

Season of the Witch

thatsafactjack on July 21, 2012 at 1:47 AM

Those women also have mothers, brothers, sisters and fathers. They are also affected by what they do.

sharrukin on July 21, 2012 at 1:43 AM

Exactly! Which is why I revile liberals saying prostitution is a ‘victimless crime’

There is also a school of thought among the NOW gang, among the feminist Left, that women doing porn is ‘emancipating’.

I guess those feminist liberals never saw Max Hardcore do his thing, for which he was put in prison.

Liam on July 21, 2012 at 1:47 AM

sharrukin on July 21, 2012 at 1:41 AM

Oh shar, I’m so very sorry. It’s easy for me to tell you that it wasn’t your fault. (It wasn’t, BTW) But, it is a very natural reaction to have. I will pray for you over that situation and I do hope you are able to release yourself from the guilt and find a peace.

4Grace on July 21, 2012 at 1:48 AM

Good night, B. Excellent moon tunes!

thatsafactjack on July 21, 2012 at 1:48 AM

We’re all roasting over here. What’s your weather like lately?

4Grace on July 21, 2012 at 1:42 AM

It’s the rainy season, but just partly cloudy today. I can actually see some blue sky, which is uncommon here this time of year.

The temperature is about 90, humidity about 70%. I had a couple hours of kendo practice this morning. That was a killer.

Where are you located?

DarkCurrent on July 21, 2012 at 1:48 AM

G’night Bmore. No mojitos here, but I think I’ll crack open a Dundee and chase a shot of bourbon with it. Sleep well, friend.

novaculus on July 21, 2012 at 1:49 AM

Should have included today’s Romney Victory filing with the above. Just so they’re all on the same page:

OBAMA FOR AMERICA (FEC filing for 06/01-06/30 on 07/20)

ROMNEY FOR PRESIDENT, INC. (FEC filing for 06/01-06/30 on 07/20)

ROMNEY VICTORY (FEC filing for 06/01-06/30 on 07/20)

de rigueur on July 21, 2012 at 1:50 AM

There is also a school of thought among the NOW gang, among the feminist Left, that women doing porn is ‘emancipating’.

Liam on July 21, 2012 at 1:47 AM

I have always suspected that the feminist movement was secretly founded by some clever frat boys who wanted consequence free sex, and needed a way to convince women that it was a great idea.

sharrukin on July 21, 2012 at 1:50 AM

novaculus on July 21, 2012 at 1:49 AM

How about cuing up a tune?

thatsafactjack on July 21, 2012 at 1:50 AM

Goodnight, dear B.

4Grace on July 21, 2012 at 1:50 AM

Some of the old family stuff is shot on a film called Kodachrome, very good quality.

Bmore on July 21, 2012 at 1:32 AM

Thank you. You just brought back a bittersweet memory for me.

My best friend in high school and I, cruising the strip on Ft. Lauderdale Beach in my ’70 Nova, windows down, radio blasting, singing this at the top of our lungs.

She passed away 5 yrs ago but I still remember that night like it was yesterday and can’t help but smile.

Flora Duh on July 21, 2012 at 1:52 AM

Where are you located?

DarkCurrent on July 21, 2012 at 1:48 AM

Texas. Which is why I smiled when you said “Howdy.” :)

4Grace on July 21, 2012 at 1:52 AM

Oh shar, I’m so very sorry. It’s easy for me to tell you that it wasn’t your fault.

4Grace on July 21, 2012 at 1:48 AM

I didn’t kill her, but I didn’t do what I should have done. We all have things like that and this is one of mine. I couldn’t have known what he would do, but if I had acted differently…

sharrukin on July 21, 2012 at 1:53 AM

novaculus on July 21, 2012 at 1:49 AM

How about cuing up a tune?

thatsafactjack on July 21, 2012 at 1:50 AM

You must be worn out, jack. You’ve been spinning those tunes non-stop. You did a great job, too. I think you deserve a raise.

4Grace on July 21, 2012 at 1:55 AM

I have always suspected that the feminist movement was secretly founded by some clever frat boys who wanted consequence free sex, and needed a way to convince women that it was a great idea.

sharrukin on July 21, 2012 at 1:50 AM

Actually, if you read some of the later essays by the original founders of NOW, they were pushed out by the radical lesbian Left.

I forget the names–it’s been a while. But the original founders of NOW weren’t anti-male and they weren’t of the ilk we have come to know. But they were forced out, as NOW became a radicalized haven for lesbianism.

Back in the 80s, one prominent NOW leader said that a woman can’t truly be liberated until she has had at least one intimate encounter with another woman.

Then there was that married NOW head who was having an affair with a woman on the side.

Liam on July 21, 2012 at 1:56 AM

Flora Duh on July 21, 2012 at 1:52 AM

Nice, Flora. I thought of the same song as I read his comments. Thanks for playing it.

4Grace on July 21, 2012 at 1:57 AM

4Grace on July 21, 2012 at 1:55 AM

Its my pleasure. I just follow along, reading the conversation, getting ‘inspired’. After a day like today, people need an atmosphere to unwind.

thatsafactjack on July 21, 2012 at 1:58 AM

Actually, if you read some of the later essays by the original founders of NOW, they were pushed out by the radical lesbian Left.

I forget the names–it’s been a while. But the original founders of NOW weren’t anti-male and they weren’t of the ilk we have come to know. But they were forced out, as NOW became a radicalized haven for lesbianism.

Liam on July 21, 2012 at 1:56 AM

I have heard some of that but they were a strange lot even in the 60′s and 70′s.

sharrukin on July 21, 2012 at 1:58 AM

Texas. Which is why I smiled when you said “Howdy.” :)

4Grace on July 21, 2012 at 1:52 AM

Ah :)

How hot is it there this evening?

A view out the window just now. The sky is not as blue as Texas I’m sure, but pretty good for here (the windows are dirty from recent rain).

DarkCurrent on July 21, 2012 at 2:00 AM

For something completely different

thatsafactjack on July 21, 2012 at 2:00 AM

I didn’t kill her, but I didn’t do what I should have done. We all have things like that and this is one of mine. I couldn’t have known what he would do, but if I had acted differently…

sharrukin on July 21, 2012 at 1:53 AM

Yes, I do have one of those things. I knew God had forgiven me, but it took me many, many years to forgive myself. But, once I did, it didn’t make what I had done RIGHT, but it finally brought me some peace.

4Grace on July 21, 2012 at 2:01 AM

I have heard some of that but they were a strange lot even in the 60′s and 70′s.

sharrukin on July 21, 2012 at 1:58 AM

Right about the time NOW got started. Basically, it got hijacked. Sure, they were a little strange in some ways but everything was odd and peculiar in the 60s and 70s. *L*

Liam on July 21, 2012 at 2:01 AM

For something completely different

thatsafactjack on July 21, 2012 at 2:00 AM

Long time since I have heard that.

sharrukin on July 21, 2012 at 2:03 AM

sharrukin on July 21, 2012 at 1:41 AM

You aren’t responsible for the actions of others. That doesn’t mean it isn’t really tough if you had a part in the events that lead up to a tragedy. It is one of the heaviest burdens in life, whether you had doubts at the time or were doing what you thought was right. In some ways you carry such burdens for the rest of your life. Enough of those can weigh a man down and lead to viewing the world with a thousand yard stare. Not much to do except try to learn from the experience and move on.

novaculus on July 21, 2012 at 2:03 AM

http://youtu.be/pUJijt-3M_Y

They were just stray kittens in those days!

thatsafactjack on July 21, 2012 at 2:04 AM

After a day like today, people need an atmosphere to unwind.

thatsafactjack on July 21, 2012 at 1:58 AM

I agree wholeheartedly.

OH! I still want to have a conversation with you sometime. I have a few questions, etc. I can drop a throwaway email addy or something when you have the time.

4Grace on July 21, 2012 at 2:05 AM

sharrukin on July 21, 2012 at 2:03 AM

That last post was for you, I had a link misfire!

thatsafactjack on July 21, 2012 at 2:05 AM

sharrukin

I mean, girls were going out in winter wearing miniskirts under their maxicoats.

Can’t get much more bizarre than that.

Liam on July 21, 2012 at 2:06 AM

thatsafactjack on July 21, 2012 at 1:50 AM

How about this while I find some music?

Hitler learns he didn’t build the Nazi Party

You know someone had to do it.

novaculus on July 21, 2012 at 2:08 AM

A view out the window just now. The sky is not as blue as Texas I’m sure, but pretty good for here (the windows are dirty from recent rain).

DarkCurrent on July 21, 2012 at 2:00 AM

It looks beautiful!

I shouldn’t complain about the heat. It gets as hot or hotter where I live than most any other spot in the US, but at least my area of TX has lower humidity. So, by sunrise, it will probably be 68-72 degrees. The poor folks with humidity can’t even cool off at night.

4Grace on July 21, 2012 at 2:09 AM

We all have things like that and this is one of mine. I couldn’t have known what he would do, but if I had acted differently…

sharrukin on July 21, 2012 at 1:53 AM

… you don’t know what would have happened.

I’m going to meander into the night air and do that thing where you walk about while doing stuff inside. Then I’m going to lay down and dissolve my consciousness for a few hours … but I’m getting ahead of myself. :)

Thanks for tonight, sharrukin, everyone.

Too late, but night Bmore!

(Nice to see you Current! Sorry to stare blankly. Not my fault. Was elsewhere. Not that it matters. Just saying.)

Axe on July 21, 2012 at 2:10 AM

Yes, I do have one of those things. I knew God had forgiven me, but it took me many, many years to forgive myself. But, once I did, it didn’t make what I had done RIGHT, but it finally brought me some peace.

4Grace on July 21, 2012 at 2:01 AM

Its not the worst thing, but it bothers me more in some ways than others because it was more clear as far as what I should have done. When you could have made another choice so easily and didn’t it seems worse.

sharrukin on July 21, 2012 at 2:10 AM

(Night Grace)

Axe on July 21, 2012 at 2:10 AM

Thanks for tonight, sharrukin, everyone.

Axe on July 21, 2012 at 2:10 AM

Night.

sharrukin on July 21, 2012 at 2:12 AM

Enough of those can weigh a man down and lead to viewing the world with a thousand yard stare. Not much to do except try to learn from the experience and move on.

novaculus on July 21, 2012 at 2:03 AM

Yeah, and it did educate me about drugs and the ripple effect they have on a lot of people.

sharrukin on July 21, 2012 at 2:13 AM

(Night Grace)

Axe on July 21, 2012 at 2:10 AM

Goodnight, Axe.

4Grace on July 21, 2012 at 2:15 AM

thatsafactjack on July 21, 2012 at 1:50 AM

How about this while I find some music?

Hitler learns he didn’t build the Nazi Party

You know someone had to do it.

novaculus on July 21, 2012 at 2:08 AM

When you have lost Hitler…

SWalker on July 21, 2012 at 2:15 AM

I mean, girls were going out in winter wearing miniskirts under their maxicoats.

Liam on July 21, 2012 at 2:06 AM

You say that like its a bad thing? /

sharrukin on July 21, 2012 at 2:15 AM

4Grace on July 21, 2012 at 2:05 AM

It would be my pleasure when you’re ready, Grace. Meanwhile, I have a confession to make.

I haven’t said this because …. well… one hates to contradict one’s friends. There have been assumptions made about ‘who’ I am.

The fact is … I’m not a dude… or a guy… or a man… or a ‘sir’… or a gentleman… all of which I’ve been called on HA lately.

It was an understandable mistake, given my screen name, however, I used to go by ‘Magicka’ on another forum… and they made the same assumption. I think its my writing style. So when I signed up on HA… frankly, I got so excited when I happened to stumble across the announcement that registration was open.. that I didn’t really have a name picked out! I just went with the first thing that popped into my head that wasn’t already taken and it seemed to suit.

Anyway… there.. that’s my confession. I hope no one is disappointed.

thatsafactjack on July 21, 2012 at 2:16 AM

@CharlieDaniels

Get ready for the gun control bunch to start howling. If they have their way only thugs and murderers will have guns,laws dont effect them

@gatorboy1980

@CharlieDaniels Go kill yourself

@nhdogmom

@CharlieDaniels Oh yes…everyone needs access to assault rifles and bags and bags of ammunition. How many need to die? #guncontrol #denver

@CharlieDaniels

@nhdogmom When you’ve got something besides ridiculous hyperbole and silliness to add to the conversation stop back by.

Flora Duh on July 21, 2012 at 2:17 AM

When you could have made another choice so easily and didn’t it seems worse.

sharrukin on July 21, 2012 at 2:10 AM

Yes, that applies in my case also. I understand what you are saying, I truly do. Again, I will pray for you.

4Grace on July 21, 2012 at 2:18 AM

The Last Steam Engine Train

novaculus on July 21, 2012 at 2:21 AM

I shouldn’t complain about the heat. It gets as hot or hotter where I live than most any other spot in the US, but at least my area of TX has lower humidity. So, by sunrise, it will probably be 68-72 degrees. The poor folks with humidity can’t even cool off at night.

4Grace on July 21, 2012 at 2:09 AM

I’m originally from the Pacific Northwest, so I turn on the AC as soon as it gets up to 80 or so inside :)

DarkCurrent on July 21, 2012 at 2:21 AM

novaculus on July 21, 2012 at 2:21 AM

LOL! That last was great! I bookmarked it and will pass it along. “Post Turtle!” :)

thatsafactjack on July 21, 2012 at 2:22 AM

The fact is … I’m not a dude… or a guy… or a man… or a ‘sir’… or a gentleman… all of which I’ve been called on HA lately.

Anyway… there.. that’s my confession. I hope no one is disappointed.

thatsafactjack on July 21, 2012 at 2:16 AM


This sounds familiar?

sharrukin on July 21, 2012 at 2:23 AM

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