Details about Colorado shooter emerge as ABC apologizes for false Tea Party reporting Update: 71 shot Update: Obama and Romney video added

posted at 2:05 pm on July 20, 2012 by Mary Katharine Ham

The last post was getting heavy with updates and comments, so here’s a new thread to deal with what, unfortunately, is an inevitable part of every major national tragedy these days— the political scapegoating, usually of the Tea Party.

But first, we have some more information about the alleged shooter, James Holmes, 24. This is reportedly a photo of the suspect:

Aurora theater shooter James Holmes
The AP reported that The University of Colorado Medical School said Holmes had withdrawn from school there, but did not know why. He may have been pursuing a Ph.D. in neuropsychology until recently. Other reports state that Holmes’ apartment, which police searched, was booby-trapped with explosives and flammable material.

Meanwhile, ABC’s Brian Ross was focused this morning, not on the man who perpetrated the shooting, but on the first Jim Holmes he could find in the Denver area with a Tea Party connection. His reporting is so bad as to suggest he simply Googled “Jim Holmes + Tea Party + Denver,” and George Stephanopoulos accepted his report credulously. Nate Silver, a statistics specialist who writes on politics at the New York Times, estimated there are may be 25 Jim Holmeses in the Denver area.

Here’s the original report, via Mediaite:

Later, ABC News included a clarification of sorts buried in this online story, but flagged by Dylan Byers. The original clarification, without an apology, has since been moved to the top of the story and turned into an apology:

Editor’s Note: An earlier ABC News broadcast report suggested that a Jim Holmes of a Colorado Tea Party organization might be the suspect, but that report was incorrect. ABC News and Brian Ross apologize for the mistake, and for disseminating that information before it was properly vetted.

Stephanopoulos and Ross owe an on-air apology to the Mr. Jim Holmes they smeared and the Colorado Tea Party, and Ross should be disciplined or fired (I’m sure we could have a whole thread for that discussion). The Jim Holmes they referenced is a 52-year-old man understandably shaken by the unwarranted national attention.

“It was freaky,” said Holmes, describing his reaction when ABC News speculated that he was the culprit who entered a crowded theater and opened fire on dozens of innocent men, women, and children. He disconnected his telephone and says that he is worried about members of his family who might be contacted by the media.

Regina Thompson, of the Colorado Tea Party Patriots:

Regina Thomson, the president of the Colorado Tea Party Patriots, said in a statement, “The member of the Colorado Tea Party Patriots, Jim Holmes, age 52 is not the same person who has been identified as the shooter.”

“The attempts of some media organizations to characterize the shooter as a Tea Party member without having made any effort to contact our organization are shameless and reprehensible,” she said.

Matt Welch of Reason is doing the work that, sadly, must be done— tracking “half-assed media speculation.” (Including, unfortunately, Republican Rep. Louis Gohmert’s dumb speculation about “attacks on Judeo-Christian values” as a possible root.)

There’s not much verified information on many of the victims, yet, and won’t be for a little while, as relatives are notified. But I loathe giving the alleged shooters so much press in these stories without touching on the victims, so I’ll give you what we have— the story of Jessica Ghawi, an aspiring sportscaster who narrowly missed a mall shooting in Toronto last month only to be killed in a theater in Aurora:

Ghawi, who wrote under the name Jessica Redfield, worked for sports website Busted Coverage and a now-poignant final post on her personal blog describes her near miss at the Eaton Center mall shooting in Toronto June 2 — where seven were injured and one died.

“I can’t get this odd feeling out of my chest. This empty, almost sickening feeling won’t go away,” Ghawi wrote. “I noticed this feeling when I was in the Eaton Center in Toronto just seconds before someone opened fire in the food court.

Read her whole blog post, here.

As I said in the previous post, I hope she lived the hell out of life from June to July. Her Twitter description suggests she’s the kind of woman who didn’t have any problem with that: “You can find me in the TV studio, NHL arena/ locker room, on a plane, or writing. Southern. Sarcastic. Sass.Class.Crass. Grammar snob.” A woman after my own heart. God bless her and her family and friends, and all the rest we don’t know yet.

Jessica Ghawi

Update: Police in Colorado say the number of people shot in an Aurora theater is up to 71:

“There were bullet (casings) just falling on my head. They were burning my forehead,” Jennifer Seeger said, adding that the gunman, dressed like a SWAT team member, fired steadily except when he stopped to reload.
“Every few seconds it was just: Boom, boom, boom,” she said. “He would reload and shoot and anyone who would try to leave would just get killed.”

The alleged shooter had an assault rifle, a shotgun, and two pistols, according to police.

Update: Police radio audio of response to the massacre, via Fox News.

Update: Obama and Romney respond.

This video of Obama is not embeddable, but I’ll look for one that is.

Mr. Obama called the shooting “senseless” and “beyond reason,” adding, “We may never understand what leads anybody to terrorize their fellow human beings… If there’s anything to take away from this tragedy it’s the reminder that life is very fragile… Our time here is limited and it is precious.”

“I stand before you today not as a man running for office, but as a father, a grandfather, a husband — an American…our hearts break for the victims and their families. We pray that the wounded will recover, and we pray that those who are grieving will know the nearness of God….What we do know is how evil is overcome, and we’re seeing that greater power today, in the goodness and compassion of a wounded community.”

Update: Flags will be at half-staff until Wednesday.

Update: Four armed service members among those shot, but not killed: “Buckley Air Force Base is in Aurora, and defense officials told NBC News that two Air Force reservists and two Navy service members were among those shot.”

Update: Gabby Giffords and husband Mark Kelly respond to shooting via Twitter.

Update: The gun-control talk begins at the White House. To be fair, this is boilerplate, with no indication of action they’d like to take, and going after guns in an election year won’t serve them well in swing-state Colorado, no matter what James Holmes did. Via Daily Caller‘s Jeff Poor, Michael Bloomberg has been booked for Sunday’s “Face the Nation.” I bet he ain’t talking trans fats.

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I was a bubblehead for long enough to start sub classes and take a tour of an attack boat, and that was the end of that plan. “One ticket to the surface fleet, please, I’m unvolunteering.”

Bishop on July 20, 2012 at 5:57 PM

If you behave, I’ll let you touch my fish.

Non-qual dink puke……

BobMbx on July 20, 2012 at 10:17 PM

All the other countries have strict gun laws while the United States does not. If guns aren’t responsible for the increase homicide rate, then what is?

Ric on July 20, 2012 at 9:42 PM

The UK and Germany have some of the strictest gun control laws in the world…certainly the strictest in the developed world (I have some examples, if you want them); yet, 4 out of the 5 largest school massacres occurred within them. (Germany: Erfurt, 2002, 18 were killed; Winnenden, 2009, 15 murdered; and Emsdetten, 2006, 11 murdered. UK: Dunblane, 1996, 16 kindergarteners and their teacher were killed.) Columbine was the remaining one of the 5.

On the other hand, SWITZERLAND HAS THE SECOND HIGHEST GUN OWNERSHIP RATE OF ALL INDUSTRIALISED COUNTRIES BEHIND THE US. 22% OF ALL HOUSEHOLDS HAVE FULLY AUTOMATIC WEAPONS; YET, THE GUN CRIME RATE IS SO LOW THAT STATISTICS ARE NOT EVEN KEPT. The country has a population of 6 million, but there are estimated to be at least 2 million firearms, including about 600,000 automatic rifles and 500,000 pistols.

In the US, 60 million (or less than 20%) of the population own 200 million guns. In Switzerland, there are less guns per capita, but VIRTUALLY EVERY HOME HAS AT LEAST ONE WEAPON.

Now, get this:

The army sells a variety of machine guns, submachine guns, anti-tank weapons, anti-aircraft guns, howitzers and cannons. Purchasers of these weapons require an easily obtained cantonal licence, and the weapons are registered.

Besides subsidised military surplus, the Swiss can buy other firearms easily too. While long guns require no special purchase procedures, handguns are sold only to those with a Waffenerwerbsschien (purchase certificate) issued by a cantonal authority. A certificate is issued to every applicant over 18, who is not a criminal or mentally infirm.

There are no restrictions on the carrying of long guns. About half the cantons have strict permit procedures for carrying handguns, and the other half have no rules at all There is no discernible difference in the crime rate between the cantons as a result of the different policies.

Thanks to a lawsuit brought by the Swiss gun lobby, semi-automatic rifles require no purchase permit and are not registered by the government. Thus, the only long guns registered by the government are full automatics. Three cantons do require collectors of more than 10 guns to register.

While there are around 200 million guns in the United States, only about 20% of Americans own guns. There may only be 2 million guns in Switzerland, a country of 6 million people, but nearly EVERY household is armed.

Again, Switzerland — a tiny country — lags only behind the United States in gun ownership; yet, gun crime is so negligible that statistics aren’t even kept.

Resist We Much on July 20, 2012 at 10:18 PM

Australia: 1.16
United Kingdom: 1.23
Germany: 0.84
Canada: 1.62
United States: 4.8

All the other countries have strict gun laws while the United States does not. If guns aren’t responsible for the increase homicide rate, then what is?

Ric on July 20, 2012 at 9:42 PM

Can you handle the truth? Percent of non Hispanic white population, in other words whites from European decent.

Australia: 90%
United Kingdom: 85%
Germany: 92%
Canada: 85%
United States: 65% and declining.

A puzzler ain’t it?

lowandslow on July 20, 2012 at 10:21 PM

williamg on July 20, 2012 at 3:55 PM

BECAUSE WE LEGITIMATELY THINK WHAT BRIAN ROSS DID WAS MORALLY REPREHENSIBLE AND DO NOT WANT TO COPY HIM.

Esthier on July 20, 2012 at 3:57 PM

So Were The TERRORISTS who Felled The WTC!!

I grieved – and still do – for the innocent people who lost their lives there – BUT THERE COMES A TIME TO DESTROY PEOPLE THIS EVIL!!

WE NEED TO DESTROY THEM!!!

williamg on July 20, 2012 at 10:28 PM

Can you handle the truth? Percent of non Hispanic white population, in other words whites from European decent.

Australia: 90%
United Kingdom: 85%
Germany: 92%
Canada: 85%
United States: 65% and declining.

A puzzler ain’t it?

lowandslow on July 20, 2012 at 10:21 PM

This is true, and it’s not racist to point it out. It’s not so much a “racial” thing as it is a cultural thing.

bluegill on July 20, 2012 at 10:31 PM

williamg on July 20, 2012 at 3:55 PM

Because you myopic twit, there are at least a dozen dead and many more wounded.

There are more important things in life than politics-like holding close to the ones you love. And it’s sad that even in this despicable tragedy you can’t see that.

And as another poster said-what Mr. Ross did was morally repugnant and last time I checked the folks who WORK here value their jobs and want to keep them. Engaging in equally repugnant behavior is the surest way to lose them.

SgtSVJones on July 20, 2012 at 4:04 PM

YOU are the MYOPIC TWIT!!

People AS EVIL AS Ross and Stephanoupolos – and The Terrorists – NEED TO BE DESTROYED!!!

williamg on July 20, 2012 at 10:32 PM

All the other countries have strict gun laws while the United States does not. If guns aren’t responsible for the increase homicide rate, then what is?

Ric on July 20, 2012 at 9:42 PM

Nearly everyone in Israel carries a gun. Guess what the homicide rate in Israel is?

~2.4 annually per 100,000

The largest factor in homicide is economic status. The very poor are much more likely to kill than those who are not. In the poorest of the 3rd world countries killing someone is almost second nature (part of the game), and isn’t even news.

Most Americans have absolutely no idea what the world is like outside of the US borders (Canada excepted). You don’t have to travel very far to find living conditions you’d expect to see in a Hollywood post-apocalyptic movie. I would say that most Americans assume the world is alot like whatever they see everyday in their own lives.

Just for kicks, and maybe even a college thesis idea, spend some time in a large international airport and watch the activity of Americans who have just returned from abroad, while still in the airport. Odds are they head, at a rapid pace, to the nearest McDonalds or Burger King for some food they know they can eat. We did it when we came back from Venezuela (and we weren’t the only ones, either).

BobMbx on July 20, 2012 at 10:37 PM

Australia: 1.16
United Kingdom: 1.23
Germany: 0.84
Canada: 1.62
United States: 4.8

All the other countries have strict gun laws while the United States does not. If guns aren’t responsible for the increase homicide rate, then what is?

Ric on July 20, 2012 at 9:42 PM

Hmmm and the US has a higher abortion rate. I suspect not respecting life has something to do with it.

CW on July 20, 2012 at 10:37 PM

Because you myopic twit, there are at least a dozen dead and many more wounded.

There are more important things in life than politics-like holding close to the ones you love. And it’s sad that even in this despicable tragedy you can’t see that.

And as another poster said-what Mr. Ross did was morally repugnant and last time I checked the folks who WORK here value their jobs and want to keep them. Engaging in equally repugnant behavior is the surest way to lose them.

SgtSVJones on July 20, 2012 at 4:04 PM

YOU are the MYOPIC TWIT!!

People AS EVIL AS Ross and Stephanoupolos – and The Terrorists – NEED TO BE DESTROYED!!!

williamg on July 20, 2012 at 10:32 PM

By the way, Myopic Twit – Holding CRIMINALS Accountable and PUNISHING THEM APPROPRIATELY is NOT “repugnant”!

williamg on July 20, 2012 at 10:43 PM

coldwarrior on July 20, 2012 at 7:38 PM

Allow me to clarify. I understand there are those that are trying to use this for political points. I am not against defending against them, and calling them out for their sleazy tactics. I’m just against doing the exact thing as them.

Razgriez on July 20, 2012 at 10:43 PM

Again, Switzerland — a tiny country — lags only behind the United States in gun ownership; yet, gun crime is so negligible that statistics aren’t even kept.

Resist We Much on July 20, 2012 at 10:18 PM

It is not beyond reason that everyone in Switzerland knows everyone else in Switzerland, or at least a much larger percentage than we do here in the US.

They also have some fairly strict immigration laws. The toughest immigration laws, however, belong to the most “progressive” country on the planet, Denmark. Denmark also requires every citizen to pay the “Church Tax” to the church of Denmark.

Imagine that, atheists and liberals.

Only one country is tougher to immigrate to…Japan. Look it up. If you’re not born a Japanese citizen, you ain’t never gonna become one. And you better look like you’re Japanese, too.

BobMbx on July 20, 2012 at 10:45 PM

Seen this movie before. Cue Harry Chapin. Beautiful but eerie.

J_Crater on July 20, 2012 at 11:05 PM

Only one country is tougher to immigrate to…Japan. Look it up. If you’re not born a Japanese citizen, you ain’t never gonna become one. And you better look like you’re Japanese, too.

BobMbx on July 20, 2012 at 10:45 PM

Yep and we’re the racists and xenophobes.

CW on July 20, 2012 at 11:12 PM

Read this, if you care about the 2nd Amendment, as you interpret it, not as Holder does.

Schadenfreude on July 20, 2012 at 11:34 PM

This guy’s police record amounted to a speeding ticket a few years ago. Perhaps authorities should focus on people buying body armor and ballistic helmets rather than weapons. Their screening process would be more effective; deer don’t shoot back. There is a motive for such purchases.

NoPain on July 20, 2012 at 11:35 PM

MSM working the story overtime to push election coverage off the screen

They have stopped the momentum, but overplayed the subject, so when they try to link back to Romney, they will have lost credibility

ABC pre empted talk radio today with a pathetic special asking, for instance, will chldren be afraid now to go to movies. I am already seeing kick back. If the public is saturated with pap, they would rather have their old programs back

Of course these MSM movers and slakers could really believe some of the pap they are dishing out, and that will be another image problem for them when the public is finally given permission to enjoy regular programming – what to believe

The press boxed itself in with its non coverage of the Ft Hood massacre – as did the WH. Too bad a Ft Hood report came out the same time, for the pols that is

My condolences to the victims. It is sad they are being utilized, but the pain is too sad and too real

entagor on July 20, 2012 at 11:56 PM

All the other countries have strict gun laws while the United States does not. If guns aren’t responsible for the increase homicide rate, then what is?

Ric on July 20, 2012 at 9:42 PM

.
REPEATING . . . . . .

The majority of American homicides committed with a firearm take place within our “highest population density” areas, where gun laws are the STRICTEST.

Do you believe that statement to be misleading? If so, then explain how.

listens2glenn on July 21, 2012 at 12:04 AM

Resist We Much on July 20, 2012 at 10:18 PM

Thank you for your post. I think Switzerland shows that correlation doesn’t always mean causation. My argument was too simplistic.

Can you handle the truth? Percent of non Hispanic white population, in other words whites from European decent.

Australia: 90%
United Kingdom: 85%
Germany: 92%
Canada: 85%
United States: 65% and declining.

A puzzler ain’t it?

lowandslow on July 20, 2012 at 10:21 PM

Homicide Offense Rate by Race (1976-2000):

White 5.1 per 100,000
Blacks 39.3 per 100,000
Others: 5.2 per 100,000

Even when you take out the admittedly high murder rate of Blacks, the murder rate for whites is still more than double that of other European countries.

Ric on July 21, 2012 at 12:19 AM

I saw Americas Concerned Mother Diane Sawyer talking about how to talk to children, etc.

Really Mommy Sawyer???

We dat stooopid, durrrrrr?

Progressive idjit media, despicable.

PappyD61 on July 21, 2012 at 12:38 AM

Even when you take out the admittedly high murder rate of Blacks, the murder rate for whites is still more than double that of other European countries.

Ric on July 21, 2012 at 12:19 AM

Something to cry about, for sure.

tom daschle concerned on July 21, 2012 at 1:49 AM

mark81150 on July 20, 2012 at 6:06 PM

Very kind words. Thank you.

hawkdriver on July 21, 2012 at 4:16 AM

Even when you take out the admittedly high murder rate of Blacks, the murder rate for whites is still more than double that of other European countries.

Ric on July 21, 2012 at 12:19 AM

We weren’t discussing the murder rate. We were discussing the gun crime rate.

I’m originally from Britain. We have some of the most stringent guns laws in the world, but they haven’t prevented the country from being at or in the top 5 of almost every crime category in the EU. Even with our very strict gun laws, we still have gun crimes. Primarily, they are spree killings like that occurred in Cumbria.

Of course, since guns aren’t the only means of killing and meaning, our nannies have entertained all sorts of ideas and imposed some real doozies. Some of their greatest hits include redesigning the pint glass. Why? Because pint glasses lead to 5,500 stabbings in pubs every year. Have pint glass, will kill! Considering mandates that pubs and low-end restaurants only be allowed to use plastic eating utensils because silverware can kill!! I’m a Mayfair girl, but give me a metal spoon and I bet that even I could create a shiv. Just remember, these are the nanny staters/police staters that are part-and-parcel of the group that brought you, albeit temporarily, the “fact” that “water does not hydrate.” **eyeroll**

Germany has very strict gun laws. In fact, the German laws are far stricter than existing gun control in the US, or the restrictions that are routinely discussed here. Germany has strict licencing and registration requirements. Valid licences expire after 3 years. To even get a licence, people must past background cheques that include a demonstration of characteristics such as the subjective “trustworthiness” and convince the authorities that they have an urgent necessity for a gun. Of course, Germany also has requirements against licencing alcohol or drug addicts, those with mental disorders, people with violent or aggressive tendencies, and felony convictions. With all of this, Germany still holds the honour of being the host country of 3 of the 5 worst school massacres in the recorded history of civilisation.

Mexico has some of the most strictest gun control laws in the world…even more stringent than those in the UK. How’s that working out for the innocent people being terrorised by the drug cartels and, in some cases, murdered with guns made available by the Obama administration?

Kennesaw, Georgia requires every head of household to own a weapon. The crime rate dropped 89%. Washington, DC, and Chicago has extremely strict gun laws, but much higher crime rates.

MORAL OF THE STORY:

MORE GUNS DO NOT TRANSLATE INTO MORE CRIME AND MORE GUN CONTROL LAWS DO NOT RESULT IN LESS CRIME.

These shootings are a symptom of cultural and mental rot. According to ABC News, “a San Diego woman identifying herself as James Holmes’s mother spoke briefly with ABC News this morning. She had awoken unaware of the news of the shooting and had not been contacted by authorities. She immediately expressed concern that her son may have been involved. ‘You have the right person,’ she said. ‘I need to call the police,’ she added. ‘I need to fly out to Colorado.’”

The guy was obviously a mental case and had exhibited disturbing behaviour of such a severe nature that his own mum KNEW he was responsible before being contacted by law enforcement. Society, i.e., his family, his physician, his school, local government, etc., failed. If his mum knew that he was the killer after the fact, but before being contacted, then a reasonable man can conclude that his actions were foreseeable. Thus, they might have been prevented if people had pursued legal means of commitment.

James Holmes was going to kill. He didn’t need guns to do it either. Obviously, he was intelligent enough to build bombs. He could have used incendiary devices rather than bullets. OJ Simpson didn’t need a gun. The 9/11 hijackers didn’t need guns. Timothy McVeigh didn’t need a gun. The Unabomber didn’t need a gun. The Japanese Aum Supreme Truth cult didn’t need guns. The 7/7 bombers didn’t need guns.

As I have long said, when people say that they want to kill you, believe them. No one took Hitler seriously. Not many took OJ Simpson seriously.

Moreover, when people want to kill, they will find a way. Do you think most gun crimes are committed with legally purchased guns? Do you think that the Federal government could seize all of the weapons in this country when it can’t prevent illegals immigrants and massive amounts of drugs from being smuggled into the country? Really? How’s that going to work? We don’t want to see your papers to determine your immigration status, but we are going to have to conduct a strip/cavity search to see if you are smuggling in any contraband, including weapons parts? After we stick our fingers up your rectum and vagina, if you are a woman, — provided they are clean — we’ll let you go have your anchor baby in a border hospital?

It’s nuts. It’s impractical. It punishes the law-abiding and will do nothing to prevent the law-breakers from obtaining guns on the street or the net. It infringes upon my rights and I am unwilling to give them up.

“Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.”

- Benjamin Franklin

“This year will go down in history. For the first time, a civilised nation has full gun registration! Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future!”

- Adolf Hitler, 1935

Goodnight.

Resist We Much on July 21, 2012 at 4:54 AM

Even when you take out the admittedly high murder rate of Blacks, the murder rate for whites is still more than double that of other European countries.

Ric on July 21, 2012 at 12:19 AM

We weren’t discussing the murder rate. We were discussing the gun crime rate.

I’m originally from Britain. We have some of the most stringent guns laws in the world, but they haven’t prevented the country from being at or in the top 5 of almost every crime category in the EU. Even with our very strict gun laws, we still have gun crimes. Primarily, they are spree killings like that occurred in Cumbria.

Of course, since guns aren’t the only means of killing and meaning, our nannies have entertained all sorts of ideas and imposed some real doozies. Some of their greatest hits include redesigning the pint glass. Why? Because pint glasses lead to 5,500 stabbings in pubs every year. Have pint glass, will kill! Considering mandates that pubs and low-end restaurants only be allowed to use plastic eating utensils because silverware can kill!! I’m a Mayfair girl, but give me a metal spoon and I bet that even I could create a shiv. Just remember, these are the nanny staters/police staters that are part-and-parcel of the group that brought you, albeit temporarily, the “fact” that “water does not hydrate.” **eyeroll**

Germany has very strict gun laws. In fact, the German laws are far stricter than existing gun control in the US, or the restrictions that are routinely discussed here. Germany has strict licencing and registration requirements. Valid licences expire after 3 years. To even get a licence, people must past background cheques that include a demonstration of characteristics such as the subjective “trustworthiness” and convince the authorities that they have an urgent necessity for a gun. Of course, Germany also has requirements against licencing alcohol or drug addicts, those with mental disorders, people with violent or aggressive tendencies, and felony convictions. With all of this, Germany still holds the honour of being the host country of 3 of the 5 worst school massacres in the recorded history of civilisation.

Mexico has some of the most strictest gun control laws in the world…even more stringent than those in the UK. How’s that working out for the innocent people being terrorised by the drug cartels and, in some cases, murdered with guns made available by the Obama administration?

Kennesaw, Georgia requires every head of household to own a weapon. The crime rate dropped 89%. Washington, DC, and Chicago has extremely strict gun laws, but much higher crime rates.

MORAL OF THE STORY:

MORE GUNS DO NOT TRANSLATE INTO MORE CRIME AND MORE GUN CONTROL LAWS DO NOT RESULT IN LESS CRIME.

These shootings are a symptom of cultural and mental rot. According to ABC News, “a San Diego woman identifying herself as James Holmes’s mother spoke briefly with ABC News this morning. She had awoken unaware of the news of the shooting and had not been contacted by authorities. She immediately expressed concern that her son may have been involved. ‘You have the right person,’ she said. ‘I need to call the police,’ she added. ‘I need to fly out to Colorado.’”

Continued…

Resist We Much on July 21, 2012 at 5:01 AM

The guy was obviously a mental case and had exhibited disturbing behaviour of such a severe nature that his own mum KNEW he was responsible before being contacted by law enforcement. Society, i.e., his family, his physician, his school, local government, etc., failed. If his mum knew that he was the killer after the fact, but before being contacted, then a reasonable man can conclude that his actions were foreseeable. Thus, they might have been prevented if people had pursued legal means of commitment.

James Holmes was going to kill. He didn’t need guns to do it either. Obviously, he was intelligent enough to build bombs. He could have used incendiary devices rather than bullets. OJ Simpson didn’t need a gun. The 9/11 hijackers didn’t need guns. Timothy McVeigh didn’t need a gun. The Unabomber didn’t need a gun. The Japanese Aum Supreme Truth cult didn’t need guns. The 7/7 bombers didn’t need guns.

As I have long said, when people say that they want to kill you, believe them. No one took Hitler seriously. Not many took OJ Simpson seriously.

Moreover, when people want to kill, they will find a way. Do you think most gun crimes are committed with legally purchased guns? Do you think that the Federal government could seize all of the weapons in this country when it can’t prevent illegals immigrants and massive amounts of drugs from being smuggled into the country? Really? How’s that going to work? We don’t want to see your papers to determine your immigration status, but we are going to have to conduct a strip/cavity search to see if you are smuggling in any contraband, including weapons parts? After we stick our fingers up your rectum and vagina, if you are a woman, — provided they are clean — we’ll let you go have your anchor baby in a border hospital?

It’s nuts. It’s impractical. It punishes the law-abiding and will do nothing to prevent the law-breakers from obtaining guns on the street or the net. It infringes upon my rights and I am unwilling to give them up.

“Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.”

- Benjamin Franklin

“This year will go down in history. For the first time, a civilised nation has full gun registration! Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future!”

- Adolf Hitler, 1935

Goodnight.

Resist We Much on July 21, 2012 at 5:01 AM

The guy was obviously a mental case and had exhibited disturbing behaviour of such a severe nature that his own mum KNEW he was responsible before being contacted by law enforcement. Society, i.e., his family, his physician, his school, local government, etc., failed. If his mum knew that he was the killer after the fact, but before being contacted, then a reasonable man can conclude that his actions were foreseeable. Thus, they might have been prevented if people had pursued legal means of commitment.

James Holmes was going to kill. He didn’t need guns to do it either. Obviously, he was intelligent enough to build bombs. He could have used incendiary devices rather than bullets. OJ Simpson didn’t need a gun. The 9/11 hijackers didn’t need guns. Timothy McVeigh didn’t need a gun. The Unabomber didn’t need a gun. The Japanese Aum Supreme Truth cult didn’t need guns. The 7/7 bombers didn’t need guns.

As I have long said, when people say that they want to kill you, believe them. No one took Hitler seriously. Not many took OJ Simpson seriously.

Moreover, when people want to kill, they will find a way. Do you think most gun crimes are committed with legally purchased guns? Do you think that the Federal government could seize all of the weapons in this country when it can’t prevent illegals immigrants and massive amounts of drugs from being smuggled into the country? Really? How’s that going to work? We don’t want to see your papers to determine your immigration status, but we are going to have to conduct a strip/cavity search to see if you are smuggling in any contraband, including weapons parts? After we stick our fingers up your rectum and vayjay, if you are a woman, — provided they are clean — we’ll let you go have your anchor baby in a border hospital?

It’s nuts. It’s impractical. It punishes the law-abiding and will do nothing to prevent the law-breakers from obtaining guns on the street or the net. It infringes upon my rights and I am unwilling to give them up.

“Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.”

- Benjamin Franklin

“This year will go down in history. For the first time, a civilised nation has full gun registration! Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future!”

- Adolf Hitler, 1935

Goodnight.

Resist We Much on July 21, 2012 at 5:03 AM

Denmark also requires every citizen to pay the “Church Tax” to the church of Denmark.

So does Sweden…plus, you have to pay a funeral tax. Cheque out the tax rates…Progs would be shocked at how UNprogressive their idea of a Socialist nirvana is when it comes to taxes, especially.

The Non-Existent Stairway To Socialist Heaven In Sweden

Resist We Much on July 21, 2012 at 5:10 AM

Anyone have a picture of the kook that did the Giffords shooting? This guy could be his brother, or cousin!

Boats48 on July 21, 2012 at 6:02 AM

Look, this is the wrong place and time, but you people always come out of the wood work so I felt the need. This guy had a screw loose. Period. Probably got pushed over the edge by a girl, or a grade, or something stupid. Only HE is responsible (Obama’s “other people did it for him” notwithstanding.) As for guns causing crime, here’s my revised murder rates:

Australia: 1.16
United Kingdom: 1.23
Germany: 0.84
Canada: 1.62

United States:
(white America) 1.1
(The rest) 12.7

Just a guess, but I bet it’s close. And yes I agree – sometimes facts suck. But they’re stubborn things.

Squiggy on July 21, 2012 at 9:00 AM

I don’t care if you are Liberal or Conservative, black, white, purple, or green, if you try to use this massacre of innocent Americans for political leverage, you are lower than a snake’s belly.

And that goes for those in the highest Halls of Power in this God-fearing Land.

My take.

kingsjester on July 21, 2012 at 9:08 AM

Finding no damning connection to Christianity or the Tea Party, the MSM has predictably declared this shooter a psychopathic loner whose only remaining use is as an anti-Second Amendment political prop.
Show’s over.

ROCnPhilly on July 21, 2012 at 10:11 AM

“Chuck Dixon, the comic book creator, was on KFYI in Phoenix. He’s not a pantywaist liberal. He made that point. The movie shows this. Dixon even said yesterday that Bane is far more akin to an Occupy Wall Street type if you’re looking to cast him politically…” -Rush Limbaugh.

Radical Left-Wing & Registered Democrat, Obama Supporter, Occupy Black Bloc Member James E. Holmes Shoots Up Aurora Co Movie Theater.

Akzed on July 21, 2012 at 10:21 AM

Oh yeah, and Rush’s comment was from the day before the shooting.

Akzed on July 21, 2012 at 10:22 AM

It wouldn’t surprise me if Uwe Boll’s 2009 mass murder “thriller” film “Rampage” was the inspiration for all this — Holmes dressed just like the guy that’s shown on the cover of the film (I’ve never seen the film — it’s graphically and gratuitously violent)

RomanticIdeal on July 21, 2012 at 11:32 AM

Vivian Schiller (remember her?) was just promoted to CEO of the MSNBC/NBCNews.com website.

faraway on July 20, 2012 at 4:00 PM

Yes, I do remember Vivian Schiller vis-a-vis Juan Williams and Ron Schiller.

They just keep rotating along.

Stepan on July 21, 2012 at 12:10 PM

ABC’s Brian Ross is a creepy left wing liar. He tries to link hurricanes and mass shootings to right wing politics. Back in 2005, he tried mightily to impugn George Bush for the Katrina mess. But the half dozen residents of New Orleans he gathered up for a Nightline interview would have none of it. To a person they blamed Mayor Ray Nagin who was incompetent and didn’t do his job. The buses which could have evacuated the residents were sitting waist deep in water. Nagin later whined that he couldn’t get drivers for the vehicles.

Shame on Brian Ross, the scoundrel who needs to have his nose pointed to the truth, not to expedient left wing excuses and blame shifting.

TruthBeTold on July 21, 2012 at 12:33 PM

Finding no damning connection to Christianity or the Tea Party, the MSM has predictably declared this shooter a psychopathic loner whose only remaining use is as an anti-Second Amendment political prop.
Show’s over.

ROCnPhilly on July 21, 2012 at 10:11 AM

I really hope that someone at Breibart kept and catalogued all the OWS protests on video and as many individual protesters as possible. Something tells me we just may find the CO shooter at one of the events. Actually, I would be willing to bet on it, his GULAG background and all. I’d start by looking at the money trail, he did spend a good chunk of money of guns, munitions and chemicals and they aren’t that cheap, especially for a college student. He paid with plastic for most, as already evidenced, start there and back track every transaction in his bank account(s), its pretty easy these days.

Unless he used his student loans money for the deed, which again makes US Government, in the face of Manchurian and liberal Congress members forcing student loans to be only issued by the feds. In this case, they are complicit and should be tried for it.

riddick on July 21, 2012 at 2:49 PM

Vivian Schiller (remember her?) was just promoted to CEO of the MSNBC/NBCNews.com website.

faraway on July 20, 2012 at 4:00 PM

Yes, I do remember Vivian Schiller vis-a-vis Juan Williams and Ron Schiller.

They just keep rotating along.

Stepan on July 21, 2012 at 12:10 PM

She’s just being groomed for her next career step, a job at Fox News, what with their obvious march lately way to the left.

riddick on July 21, 2012 at 2:50 PM

Anyone have a picture of the kook that did the Giffords shooting? This guy could be his brother, or cousin!

Boats48 on July 21, 2012 at 6:02 AM

And next to it we should post, on each and every conservative blog, picture of the CONCEALED CARRY guy who stopped the shootings and disarmed the idiot. Better yet, just a snap shot of a CC permit (name blacked out, of course) and a pointer to it that says, THIS IS WHAT STOPPED FURTHER CARNAGE.

Make a very easy point against alphabet networks and liberal politicians.

riddick on July 21, 2012 at 2:54 PM

Anyone have a picture of the kook that did the Giffords shooting? This guy could be his brother, or cousin!

Boats48 on July 21, 2012 at 6:02 AM

Definitely the same assinine smirk.

itsspideyman on July 21, 2012 at 5:11 PM

Even when you take out the admittedly high murder rate of Blacks, the murder rate for whites is still more than double that of other European countries.

Ric on July 21, 2012 at 12:19 AM

Ric, explain Switzerland. You haven’t yet.

Please.

itsspideyman on July 21, 2012 at 5:17 PM

Daikocookoo drooled: The bible justifies the killings of large groups of townspeople in many instances. I’m not saying that this was today’s killer’s motive. But it could be.

That was one breathtakingly idiotic smear. Bravo.

academic. decathlon. winner.

Terp Mole on July 21, 2012 at 6:42 PM

Ric, explain Switzerland. You haven’t yet.

Please.

itsspideyman on July 21, 2012 at 5:17 PM

He can’t. Liberals and logic don’t mix.

I know that places like Russia don’t report the numbers correctly. I am also sure that other countries that control their media do not report correct numbers. So, his “view” of our rates is way off base since he’s comparing apples to oranges.

riddick on July 22, 2012 at 12:00 AM

Hmmm and the US has a higher abortion rate. I suspect not respecting life has something to do with it.

CW on July 20, 2012 at 10:37 PM

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+1

RalphyBoy on July 22, 2012 at 4:16 PM

Hmmm and the US has a higher abortion rate. I suspect not respecting life has something to do with it.

CW on July 20, 2012 at 10:37 PM

This.

dukecitygirl on July 22, 2012 at 5:07 PM

Hmmm and the US has a higher abortion rate. I suspect not respecting life has something to do with it.

CW on July 20, 2012 at 10:37 PM

I don’t know if there is a correlation (how can you be sure what sets off some psycho), but you cannot devalue life on one level and not have that devaluation spread to other levels.

swinia sutki on July 23, 2012 at 5:20 AM

Anyone have a picture of the kook that did the Giffords shooting? This guy could be his brother, or cousin!

Boats48 on July 21, 2012 at 6:02 AM

And next to it we should post, on each and every conservative blog, picture of the CONCEALED CARRY guy who stopped the shootings and disarmed the idiot. Better yet, just a snap shot of a CC permit (name blacked out, of course) and a pointer to it that says, THIS IS WHAT STOPPED FURTHER CARNAGE.

Make a very easy point against alphabet networks and liberal politicians.

riddick on July 21, 2012 at 2:54 PM

Exactly. Without an armed citizenry, these mass murderers have the time to shoot and re-load like the Fort Hood shooter.

Kyle_Reese on July 23, 2012 at 4:21 PM

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