Bloomberg to Obama and Romney: Where exactly do you stand on gun control?

posted at 6:01 pm on July 20, 2012 by Tina Korbe

New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg joins the list of those who can’t bear to refrain from politicizing a tragedy for even one day:

“You know, soothing words are nice, but maybe it’s time that the two people who want to be [p]resident of the United States stand up and tell us what they are going to do about it because this is obviously a problem across the country,” Bloomberg said during an appearance on John Gambling’s radio show, the New York Observer reports. …

“I mean, there are so many murders with guns every day, it’s just got to stop. And instead of the two people – President Obama and [Gov.] Romney – talking in broad things about they want to make the world a better place, [OK], tell us how.”

Bloomberg’s immediate pivot from the movie massacre to one of his pet issues echoes tweets by Piers Morgan earlier today.

“More Americans will buy guns after this, to defend themselves, and so the dangerous spiral descends,” Morgan postulated. “When/how does it stop?”

Never mind that, as Michelle Malkin points out, armed Colorado citizens have, in fact, saved lives during mass shootings. The important point is to immediately pounce upon Americans’ natural response to this morning’s news. Morgan, Bloomberg and the rest know that Americans move quickly from “We mourn this moment” to “We must do something!” Not a minute to waste if they’re to ensure that the something Americans do is enact harsher gun policies!

Nor are they ashamed to so transparently seek to use heartache to advance their agenda.  Daily Kos editor David Waldman and fired John Edwards blogger Amanda Marcotte, for example, explicitly defend “the messy business” of dancing on graves.

But, really, why should they be ashamed? They sincerely believe in the efficacy of the “solution” they offer. If I thought for one minute that stricter requirements and a longer process to obtain a gun would somehow remove the violent streak so persistent in human nature, I’d join them in clamoring for ‘em.

That’s just it, though: Violence has exerted itself again and again in the gruesome and glorious history of humanity and it will again. As Judge Janine said on Fox News this morning, “In a free society, it happens.” We seek reasons and explanations for it, but, all too often, we find none. It is — as we so often say — senseless. As the mother of Columbine shooter Dylan Klebold put it, “I will never know why.” A sense of alienation, depression, distress … Any or all might drive an otherwise passive soul to desperate, destructive action. Greed,  hunger and ambition drive violence, too. For that matter, so, too, at times, do a sense of honor, justice or love. None is sufficient to explain the existence or persistence of violence in general. We’re reduced to this admission: Violence is in our nature as humans.

It’s not necessarily, then, a “problem” to be “solved,” but a constraint under which we must live. We rightly seek to deter violence, for its effects are brutal, painful and altogether undesirable. How do we best do that? Most proximately, we ensure that justice is served in our legal system so that would-be criminals know they will not escape punishment should they perpetrate a crime — and we arm the law-abiding populace as a further deterrent. More indirectly, we support the institutions and systems — the family and church, for example –  that produce adults less likely to commit crimes. We might not know why children of two-parent homes are less likely to be violent delinquents, for example, but we know that they are. It makes sense that we would seek to foster the family if we wish to reduce violence. Sadly, none of the systems we put in place to deter violence will eliminate it entirely.

On the other side of violence, though, we see something more positive. The something we do in response to tragedy is as equally human as violence itself, but far more humane: We hurt alongside, we pray for, we speak words of comfort to, we hug, we feed and we love the victims and their families. Isn’t that enough for today?

Tina Korbe is Policy Impact Director at the Oklahoma Council of Public Affairs and a former associate editor at HotAir.com (but you knew that!).


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My claim is that the American murder rate is considerably higher than our peers. Given our current level of development, we kill our fellow Americans at much greater rate than Western Europe, Australia, or Japan. This is my claim – what I’m looking for is an answer as to why. Mr. Bloomberg is suggesting that it’s because Americans can easily access guns. I disagree. I feel that it’s because as Americans we are somehow more predisposed to kill. There is no other plausible explanation

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

ernesto on July 20, 2012 at 6:42 PM

There is also that huge elephant in the room that no one is talking about that inflate our numbers compared to European countries.

The Notorious G.O.P on July 20, 2012 at 6:49 PM

Hey Mayor BloomingIdiot, the only Gun Control that is Constitutional is… When you are able to hit what you are aiming at.

SWalker on July 20, 2012 at 6:49 PM

ernesto on July 20, 2012 at 6:42 PM

Hmmm and we have higher abortion rates than many of our peers.
Your liberal friends have helped devalue life. Own it.

CW on July 20, 2012 at 6:50 PM

My guns are apparently defective, they’ve not killed anyone.

jb34461 on July 20, 2012 at 6:50 PM

ernesto on July 20, 2012 at 6:48 PM

You make me ill.

Key West Reader on July 20, 2012 at 6:50 PM

TINA KORBE!

Oh, thank God.

Now I have to go read the post.

Axe on July 20, 2012 at 6:50 PM

Holmes shot 71 people, killing 12, in less than 90 seconds. because cops with guns were right outside. Had there NOT been cops outside, the slaughter would have been even worse.

Trying to get the guns out of our society is like trying to stop the RAIN. It’s too late, CRIMINALS HAVE GUNS.

The answer is conceal carry. Look at the internet cafe video from 2 days ago. That guy saved who knows how many of those other people from slaughter.

You want evidence? Dallas had a horrific car jacking problem until the law was updated to allow carry into parking garages. (Employers had banned guns in parking garages, so people weren’t able to carry in their cars.) Well, the carjacking got out of control, the law was changed back to allow good people to carry in their cars, and less than 10 carjackers were shot in the face before miraculously the carjackings stopped.

When good people have guns, that’s when we protect ourselves from criminals.

All you people that think we need stricter gun control, tell me how you are going to get CRIMINALS to turn in their guns?

JustTruth101 on July 20, 2012 at 6:51 PM

If Obama / Obaka gets a second term the 2nd Amendment is toast.

Key West Reader on July 20, 2012 at 6:39 PM

Prolly, but then what? The Sheriff and Deputies in my county have better things to do than get shot at while trying to enforce a law they believe to be unconstitutional.

antipc on July 20, 2012 at 6:51 PM

My claim is that the American murder rate is considerably higher than our peers. Given our current level of development, we kill our fellow Americans at much greater rate than Western Europe, Australia, or Japan. This is my claim – what I’m looking for is an answer as to why. Mr. Bloomberg is suggesting that it’s because Americans can easily access guns. I disagree. I feel that it’s because as Americans we are somehow more predisposed to kill. There is no other plausible explanation

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

ernesto on July 20, 2012 at 6:42 PM

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It’s only higher where the most gun-restricting laws are locally enacted and enforced.

listens2glenn on July 20, 2012 at 6:52 PM

100 million dead in the last century, and it wasn’t because of Americans. It seems godless communists are really the inherent murderers. Funny how totalitarians disarm the populace before killing them.

darwin on July 20, 2012 at 6:47 PM

Shhhh those don’t count. They were trying to do good and bring utopia to the masses.

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CW on July 20, 2012 at 6:52 PM

I’m open to any other explanation for why we shoot our fellow Americans that much more often than any large nation.

ernesto on July 20, 2012 at 6:33 PM

An academic exercise…

let’s look at the top ten most dangerous cities in America…the ones with the highest number of deaths involving violence.

Then, let us look at who has been responsible for these same cities for the past decades.

Rough figures seem to indicate one common denominator is that most have Democrats in charge.

Thus…to save lives…to restore civility in our cities…across our Land…we need laws to ban Democrats.

coldwarrior on July 20, 2012 at 6:52 PM

Key West Reader on July 20, 2012 at 6:48 PM

I didn’t miss that caveat. I said our peers – western Europe, Australia, Japan…countries with similar levels of economic and civic development.

But really, what on earth can explain why we are 4 times more murderous than Australians or Canadians or the British??

ernesto on July 20, 2012 at 6:52 PM

There is also that huge elephant in the room that no one is talking about that inflate our numbers compared to European countries.

The Notorious G.O.P on July 20, 2012 at 6:49 PM

The proliferation of > 16oz sodas?

Kataklysmic on July 20, 2012 at 6:52 PM

I agree. Our murder rate requires an explanation, though. I agree with those here that feel Mr. Bloomberg is misguided in assigning blame. However, there must be SOME explanation for the unique regularity with which Americans shoot one another.

ernesto on July 20, 2012 at 6:29 PM

Ever been to the Democrat City of New Orleans? HTH.

And as wiki tells us:

Because gang killing has become a normal part of inner cities, many including police, hold preconceptions about the causes of death in inner cities. When a death is labeled gang related it lowers the chances that it will be investigated and increases the chances that the perpetrator will remain at large. In addition, victims of gang killings often determine the priority a case will be given by police. Jenkins (1988) argues that many serial murder cases remain unknown to police and that cases involving Black offenders and victims are especially likely to escape official attention.

Aren’t most inner cities overwhelmingly Democrat? There’s you answer.

Del Dolemonte on July 20, 2012 at 6:52 PM

When have I ever said that I supported gun control laws? I haven’t once said that. I’m open to any other explanation for why we shoot our fellow Americans that much more often than any large nation.

ernesto on July 20, 2012 at 6:33 PM

How about this idea: Because the liberals have written so many laws against self-defense using firearms, a lot of people are killed because their fear of prison causes them to hesitate?

If it’s assumed that many people are killed by their own guns, the question is why? Were their guns so easily available to criminals that the owners were shot, or were their guns taken from them by the criminals because the prevailing government mindset caused them to hesitate?

Questions, questions…

It is known that, 70% of the time a criminal invasion and/or self-defense occasion happens, the lawful citizen does not need to shoot. The criminal runs away, even if armed.

Liam on July 20, 2012 at 6:53 PM

I’m open to any other explanation for why we shoot our fellow Americans that much more often than any large nation.

ernesto on July 20, 2012 at 6:33 PM

You are wondering how the US is different from Russia, China, and India?

You might be able to figure that out if you think about it and do some research. Or maybe not.

farsighted on July 20, 2012 at 6:53 PM

My guns are apparently defective, they’ve not killed anyone.

jb34461 on July 20, 2012 at 6:50 PM

Just be careful and sleep with one eye open. Those critters are likely to unlock themselves and cap you in the arse while you sleep.

CW on July 20, 2012 at 6:53 PM

ernesto on July 20, 2012 at 6:42 PM

That link you posted indicates that the U.S. has a very low incidence of homicide compared with other countries. Considerably lower than most of South America, Asia, and Africa. I’m sure those numbers for China are accurate too as are the other stats from countries where the government controls all the stats.

Oldnuke on July 20, 2012 at 6:54 PM

I agree. Our murder rate requires an explanation, though. I agree with those here that feel Mr. Bloomberg is misguided in assigning blame. However, there must be SOME explanation for the unique regularity with which Americans shoot one another.

ernesto on July 20, 2012 at 6:29 PM

You want me to be honest. Fine.
We have a political party that advocates a permanent underclass. This underclass breeds discontent, lack of education, no personal responsibility, so when they don’t get what they want, they take it.
That, and we import criminals and call it migration.

AllahsNippleHair on July 20, 2012 at 6:55 PM

I feel that it’s because as Americans we are somehow more predisposed to kill. There is no other plausible explanation

ernesto on July 20, 2012 at 6:42 PM

Gangsta Rap “music” is totally blameless, I’m sure. Would you agree?

Now pardon me, gonna go listen to some Johnny Cash songs about offing the pigs…

Del Dolemonte on July 20, 2012 at 6:57 PM

Key West Reader on July 20, 2012 at 6:48 PM

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But really, what on earth can explain why we are 4 times more murderous than Australians or Canadians or the British??

ernesto on July 20, 2012 at 6:52 PM

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Strong gun-control restrictions within our more highly populated areas.

listens2glenn on July 20, 2012 at 6:58 PM

How strange that a politician and an (independent and fair-minded, hard-hitting and fiercely impartial) journalist would be thinking the same thoughts at the same time.

4h Brian Ross Brian Ross ‏@BrianRoss

Earlier I reported incorrectly that the shooting suspect might be tied to the Tea Party. I apologize for the mistake: http://abcn.ws/ODONiT

10h Brian Ross Brian Ross ‏@BrianRoss

No shortage of gun shops in the #Aurora area, more than 20 listed plus pawn shops #Colorado #batman #shooting
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10h Brian Ross Brian Ross ‏@BrianRoss

#colorado gun laws tightened after Columbine shooting with tougher background checks by Colorado Bureau of Investigation on ppl buying guns

Axe on July 20, 2012 at 6:58 PM

“How a politician stands on the Second Amendment tells you how he or she views you as an individual… as a trustworthy and productive citizen, or as part of an unruly crowd that needs to be lorded over, controlled, supervised, and taken care of.”
Quote from Suzanna Hupp, whose parents and 19 others were killed in the 1991 Luby’s shooting in Killeen TX. At the time, she had to leave her gun in the car but said later that lives could have been saved if someone had had their gun on them. She went on to the TX state leg and was instrumental in getting concealed handgun laws passed.

TxAnn56 on July 20, 2012 at 6:58 PM

I like to tell liberals: “There are more firearm murders in New York City in an average three-day weekend than there have been in Switzerland since the end of WW2. So do you think New York City should have the same gun control laws Switzerland has?”

When they invariably scream “Yes!” I tell them that every male adult in Switzerland is required by law to own an automatic rifle and keep it in his home.

It’s always funny to make liberals squirm, but don’t let it make you lose sight of the statistics: Neither that fact, nor any other, has ever had the slightest impact on what any liberal believes about anything.

logis on July 20, 2012 at 6:58 PM

But really, what on earth can explain why we are 4 times more murderous than Australians or Canadians or the British??

ernesto on July 20, 2012 at 6:52 PM

Try watching The First 48 on A&E and tell me what seems to be the difference between the U.S. Australia, Canada or the UK.

The Notorious G.O.P on July 20, 2012 at 6:58 PM

My claim is that the American murder rate is considerably higher than our peers.

ernesto on July 20, 2012 at 6:42 PM

Interesting.

Del Dolemonte on July 20, 2012 at 6:59 PM

I mean, there are so many murders with guns every day, it’s just got to stop.

There are so many car accidents where people die every day, it’s just got to stop. Ban Cars!

Or fill in with: swimming pools, knives, electricity, tall buildings, bicycles, motorcycles, high bridges, baseball bats, etc, etc.

Scrappy on July 20, 2012 at 6:44 PM

If we dropped the speed limit on all roads in the US to 20 mph and seriously enforced it just think how many lives we could save!

farsighted on July 20, 2012 at 6:59 PM

However, there must be SOME explanation for the unique regularity with which Americans shoot one another.

ernesto on July 20, 2012 at 6:29 PM

How about this: Liberals have set up the laws such that crime is basically allowed to run rampant, with penalties inflicted on the victims who defend themselves rather than on the criminals–if they survive.

Liam on July 20, 2012 at 6:59 PM

Nuts is nuts. It doesn’t matter who the left blames, nuts is nuts. Nuts with a club, nuts with a hatchet, nuts with a gun. You might as well tell the nutjobs on the left it was Jack-in-the-Box tacos that did it. Nuts is nuts and the Beltway is proof of nuts.

Limerick on July 20, 2012 at 7:00 PM

I would love for someone to give me a cogent explanation why it is required to have a permit to exercise a Constitutional right.

Someone HAS to be able to formulate one.

irongrampa on July 20, 2012 at 7:00 PM

It’s not necessarily, then, a “problem” to be “solved,” but a constraint under which we must live.

Home owner’s associations, and other forms of progressive government, all have the same problem: they solve the problems they were created to solve, but being unable to disband, they go on hunter-seeking problems to solve, until they are checking off a list while running through your refrigerator.

Axe on July 20, 2012 at 7:01 PM

Two things:

Luby’s in Texas remembered: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luby's_massacre

AND

Gun free zones: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7pGt_O1uM8

Bloomberg’s agenda isn’t about guns, as so many have pointed out.

Bloomberg and his ilk are why we need guns in the first place.

ProfShadow on July 20, 2012 at 7:01 PM

We do train our kids that life has little value. Heck they teach it in high school. Should we be surprised? Compare abortion rates against many other countries of our “peers”.

CW on July 20, 2012 at 7:01 PM

The shooter expected concealed carriers to be in the audience!! That is why he had on all the body armor.

There don’t seem to be many details coming out about his takedown, other than it was outside. That is, no one is saying there was a big shootout. So what was this guys intent, to make a name for himself?

KenInIL on July 20, 2012 at 7:03 PM

But really, what on earth can explain why we are 4 times more murderous than Australians or Canadians or the British??

ernesto on July 20, 2012 at 6:52 PM

Try watching The First 48 on A&E and tell me what seems to be the difference between the U.S. Australia, Canada or the UK.

The Notorious G.O.P on July 20, 2012 at 6:58 PM

Get out of my head.

AllahsNippleHair on July 20, 2012 at 7:03 PM

My claim is that the American murder rate is considerably higher than our peers. Given our current level of development, we kill our fellow Americans at much greater rate than Western Europe, Australia, or Japan. This is my claim – what I’m looking for is an answer as to why. Mr. Bloomberg is suggesting that it’s because Americans can easily access guns. I disagree. I feel that it’s because as Americans we are somehow more predisposed to kill. There is no other plausible explanation

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

ernesto on July 20, 2012 at 6:42 PM

Your claim is utterly full of $hit. Compare population rates. Most European nations have population on a par with the individuals States, not the United States. You sir are an imbecile.

SWalker on July 20, 2012 at 7:04 PM

However, there must be SOME explanation for the unique regularity with which Americans shoot one another.

ernesto on July 20, 2012 at 6:29 PM

Because Americans can’t keep and bear arms as per the 2nd Amendment.

Too many restrictions and gun laws that do nothing.

That is the fundamental problem. Those “feel good; do nothing” laws that ignore the Law of Unintended Consequences.

ProfShadow on July 20, 2012 at 7:04 PM

“More Americans will buy guns after this, to defend themselves, and so the dangerous spiral descends,” Morgan postulated. “When/how does it stop?”

You mean CNN’s off-shored Brit sissypants, Piers Morgan? Geez, I must have missed that part of the story.

Dusty on July 20, 2012 at 7:04 PM

Yup and in Rwanda 800,000 died in 100 days and they were mostly killed with machetes.

sharrukin on July 20, 2012 at 6:08 PM

I visited Kigali exactly a year ago, and stayed with some missionaries there who escaped during the genocide, and heard their stories first-hand.

Seeing the Nyamata Church Memorial was pretty tough, and it’s hard to emotionally equate the racks and racks of skulls with the lost lives–hard to grasp in the way that large numbers are. But I am forever committed to being prepared, both in prayer and by being armed.

TexasDan on July 20, 2012 at 7:04 PM

So what was this guys intent, to make a name for himself?

KenInIL on July 20, 2012 at 7:03 PM

Simple, Ken. Room and board. He’ll get isolated. He can do crosswords until he is 98. Room and board was the intent. Getting his degree was too frakkin hard, let alone working to keep it afterward. Show some compassion!

Limerick on July 20, 2012 at 7:05 PM

If I thought for one minute that stricter requirements and a longer process to obtain a gun would somehow remove the violent streak so persistent in human nature, I’d join them in clamoring for ‘em.

Which of the other Bill of Rights are you also willing to forgo for “the good of the people”, Tina? How about limits on the 1st Amendment to write here about whatever you want regardless of how asinine or unpopular it might be? Then, we can start on some of the other parts of the Constitution we don’t like, say, the 19th where we take away your right to vote.

Tina, it’s the 2nd Amendment that protects every single one of the others. To use it as a bargaining chip for some theoretical safety (that you’ll never actually see) says a lot about your age and lack of understanding.

slug on July 20, 2012 at 7:06 PM

If we dropped the speed limit on all roads in the US to 20 mph and seriously enforced it just think how many lives we could save!

farsighted on July 20, 2012 at 6:59 PM

WHOA there speedy! 20 MPH is dangerous. Heh. Let’s talk about a reasonable limit — maybe after you calm down a little. Decaf, farsighted — think “decaf.” :)

Axe on July 20, 2012 at 7:06 PM

Seeing the Nyamata Church Memorial was pretty tough, and it’s hard to emotionally equate the racks and racks of skulls with the lost lives–hard to grasp in the way that large numbers are. But I am forever committed to being prepared, both in prayer and by being armed.

TexasDan on July 20, 2012 at 7:04 PM

To think that some think you are unwise and paranoid.

We see the empowerment of the moochers by our own President. To think that some will need see that as permission to take and do what they want is just naive.

CW on July 20, 2012 at 7:07 PM

At the time, she had to leave her gun in the car but said later that lives could have been saved if someone had had their gun on them. She went on to the TX state leg and was instrumental in getting concealed handgun laws passed.
TxAnn56 on July 20, 2012 at 6:58 PM

Aside from the obvious exception, who here is enough of a braindead moron to believe this guy just suddenly went psycho — while he just happened to be holding a gun he was legally carrying for self-defense?

This type of premeditated mass slaughter is PRECISELY the kind of crime that can only be ameliorated by legal gun ownership and carrying laws. The odds of a cop being around when this happens are right around zero.

logis on July 20, 2012 at 7:07 PM

“More Americans will buy guns after this, to defend themselves, and so the dangerous spiral descends,” Morgan postulated. “When/how does it stop?”

Quit prosecuting people who defend themselves with deadly force, allow open- and concealed carry, and execute convicted murderers in 15 weeks instead of 15 years.

Liam on July 20, 2012 at 7:07 PM

“More Americans will buy guns after this, to defend themselves, and so the dangerous spiral descends,” Morgan postulated. “When/how does it stop?”

Note that part of the comment, too.

Liam on July 20, 2012 at 7:08 PM

Tina! :D :) :D

OK, now that that’s out of my system:

I’m honestly not surprised that Nanny Bloomberg jumped on the chance to push one of his favorite statist policies; clearly, That One isn’t the only one to learn from Rahm Emmanuel’s words of wisdom. But at what point does Nanny Bloomberg take the title “Dear Nan” from Pelosi??

Mr. Prodigy on July 20, 2012 at 7:09 PM

The Shooter was an egghead. Educated like much of Obama’s base(right Brayam?)

CW on July 20, 2012 at 7:10 PM

Hey Bloomberg if guns are so evil, then how about you disarm your bodyguards, disarm the New York City police department, and tell the FBI that their agents must surrender their guns when in NYC, see how all that flies. OK pleasantries and fun over, back to business at hand hey Bloomberg STFU and go to HELL you Marxist dumbass.

Beastdogs on July 20, 2012 at 7:10 PM

logis on July 20, 2012 at 7:07 PM

No. According to the satistics there are a total fo 800,000 blue and plain clothes police in America. That is 0.002%. We’re covered!

Limerick on July 20, 2012 at 7:10 PM

My claim is that the American murder rate is considerably higher than our peers.

ernesto on July 20, 2012 at 6:42 PM

Interesting.

Del Dolemonte on July 20, 2012 at 6:59 PM

Yeah. What “peers” is he talking about?

We have no “peers”. The US is unique and has been unique ever since it was established 236 years ago.

The Europeans have been criticizing us and trying to tell us how to run our country ever since, while killing a few hundred million of each other, sucking us into their wars, and requiring our help to keep the peace and protect them from each other.

farsighted on July 20, 2012 at 7:11 PM

“More Americans will buy guns after this, to defend themselves, and so the dangerous spiral descends,” Morgan postulated. “When/how does it stop?”

Note that part of the comment, too.

Liam on July 20, 2012 at 7:08 PM

Yes because defending yourself includes entering a theater and blowing people away.

/

Ignoramus.Hmmm just like DaiCaCa.

CW on July 20, 2012 at 7:11 PM

My guns are apparently defective, they’ve not killed anyone.

jb34461 on July 20, 2012 at 6:50 PM

You just need to keep them under surveillance, like they do at this website:

http://www.assaultweaponwatch.com/

ProfShadow on July 20, 2012 at 7:11 PM

I visited Kigali exactly a year ago, and stayed with some missionaries there who escaped during the genocide, and heard their stories first-hand.

Seeing the Nyamata Church Memorial was pretty tough, and it’s hard to emotionally equate the racks and racks of skulls with the lost lives–hard to grasp in the way that large numbers are. But I am forever committed to being prepared, both in prayer and by being armed.

TexasDan on July 20, 2012 at 7:04 PM

The gun is known as the great equalizer for a reason. It puts power into the hands of individuals and allows them to stand up to those who are stronger than they are.

sharrukin on July 20, 2012 at 7:12 PM

stand up to those who are stronger than they are.

sharrukin on July 20, 2012 at 7:12 PM

Not to mention nuttier.

Limerick on July 20, 2012 at 7:14 PM

“More Americans will buy guns after this, to defend themselves, and so the dangerous spiral descends,” Morgan postulated. “When/how does it stop?”

.
Note that part of the comment, too.

Liam on July 20, 2012 at 7:08 PM

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I did.

Rare moment of intellectual honesty?

listens2glenn on July 20, 2012 at 7:14 PM

I had to draw my sidearm on a crackhead coming at me with a clawhammer one night. Let’s ban clawhammers.

The red dot on his chest from Crimson Trace probably saved my life.

You ain’t getting my gun.

wolly4321 on July 20, 2012 at 7:15 PM

My guns are apparently defective, they’ve not killed anyone.

jb34461 on July 20, 2012 at 6:50 PM

You just need to keep them under surveillance, like they do at this website:

http://www.assaultweaponwatch.com/

ProfShadow on July 20, 2012 at 7:11 PM

I have to keep my guns and my Batman comic books under watch. I just realized a few hours ago that I have comic book that some have suggested may have inspired the lunatic.

El_Terrible on July 20, 2012 at 7:16 PM

Ignoramus.Hmmm just like DaiCaCa.

CW on July 20, 2012 at 7:11 PM

Sad, isn’t it? Liberals equate self-defense as worse than murders committed by psychos, and racist if a street thug gets iced during the commission of a crime against a white/white-Hispanic.

Liam on July 20, 2012 at 7:17 PM

My claim is that the American murder rate is considerably higher than our peers.

ernesto on July 20, 2012 at 6:42 PM

Interesting.

Del Dolemonte on July 20, 2012 at 6:59 PM

Yeah. What “peers” is he talking about?

We have no “peers”. The US is unique and has been unique ever since it was established 236 years ago.

The Europeans have been criticizing us and trying to tell us how to run our country ever since, while killing a few hundred million of each other, sucking us into their wars, and requiring our help to keep the peace and protect them from each other.

farsighted on July 20, 2012 at 7:11 PM

Like his Hero O’bama, ernesto has been brainwashed by others, mainly teachers and professors going all the way back to grade school, that the US in not an exceptional country, and never was. All of the US’ “success” was do to the exploitation of others, not due to any personal achievements. See “Howard Zinn” and “Noam Chomskey” for starters.

Minds are terrible things to waste, aren’t they?

Del Dolemonte on July 20, 2012 at 7:17 PM

My daughters go to the movies. What if Malia and Sasha had been at the theater, as so many of our kids do every day? Michelle and I will be fortunate enough to hug our girls a little tighter tonight, and I’m sure you will do the same with your children. But for those parents who may not be so lucky, we have to embrace them and let them know we will be there for them as a nation.

So, again, I am so grateful that all of you are here. I am so moved by your support.

President Obama on July 20, 2012

Because it is about him.

CW on July 20, 2012 at 7:21 PM

Not to mention nuttier.

Limerick on July 20, 2012 at 7:14 PM

That too but the second amendment is mostly to ward against the government that goes too far. The second amendment is about hunting men, not ducks, or even criminals.

sharrukin on July 20, 2012 at 7:21 PM

Minds are terrible things to waste, aren’t they?

Del Dolemonte on July 20, 2012 at 7:17 PM

Isn’t all that terrible…nor difficult.

Head shot.

Oh, sorry, not that kind of “waste?”

Nevermind.

:-)

coldwarrior on July 20, 2012 at 7:22 PM

This will turn out to be a failure of many people at many levels, like with the guy who shot Congresswoman Giffords.

The guys Mom in this case woke up, heard the news and said to herself, “That’s probably MY son that did that.” How screwed up is that??

“The woman, who said her name was Arlene, had awoken unaware of the news of the shooting and had not been contacted by authorities. She immediately expressed concern that her son may have been involved. “You have the right person,” the mother said, speaking on instinct. “I need to call the police. I need to fly out to Colorado.”

Read more: http://bit.ly/LDo86F

We will probably discover he has a history of mental health issues that raised red flags all over the place — and NOBODY DID ANYTHING ABOUT IT!

The man who shot Giffords scared everyone in his life, he’d threatened people, alienated his family, told teachers and classmates he’d kill them, and his friends severed ties after he creeped them out. And NOBODY DID ANYTHING ABOUT HIM!

What the heck, people?? Why can’t our mental healthcare system be considered a first line of defense against this kind of thing??

EasyEight on July 20, 2012 at 7:22 PM

The Anchoress had an interesting post on this.

Terrye on July 20, 2012 at 7:23 PM

Rare moment of intellectual honesty?

listens2glenn on July 20, 2012 at 7:14 PM

Freudian slip of what liberals really fear: Standing against lawless government.

Which state is it: Illinois? The legislature there recently made it legal to kill cops who act lawlessly against a Citizen.

Liberals have, really, made self-defense illegal against criminals. Here in NY, if a criminal invades my home, I am required by law to retreat and even abandon my home and possessions; I’m an not allowed to defend what is mine. If I cause that criminal any harm at all, and if police bother to arrive, we both go to jail.

Except he gets out ROR, because I’m white. I don’t.

Liam on July 20, 2012 at 7:26 PM

President Obama on July 20, 2012

Because it is about him.

CW on July 20, 2012 at 7:21 PM

..stupefyingly mind-boggling.

The War Planner on July 20, 2012 at 7:27 PM

What the heck, people?? Why can’t our mental healthcare system be considered a first line of defense against this kind of thing??

EasyEight on July 20, 2012 at 7:22 PM

Because of liberals.

Liam on July 20, 2012 at 7:28 PM

Maybe a lot of criminals get shot, and this argument persist because most Americans have a will to live. The only reason I would kill is to live. But a sector of society doesn’t value life, not mine, not their own, not even babies. They will kill for trinkets and power.

So I arm myself.

wolly4321 on July 20, 2012 at 7:31 PM

I didn’t miss that caveat. I said our peers – western Europe, Australia, Japan…countries with similar levels of economic and civic development.

But really, what on earth can explain why we are 4 times more murderous than Australians or Canadians or the British??

ernesto on July 20, 2012 at 6:52 PM

And there lies your folly for all to see.

Western Europe is not our peer. Nor is Japan, Australia or any other nation.

As much as you and your ilk dream about the death of American Exceptionalism, your idealism fails. Every single time.

Ernesto? You are like a worn out bitumen roof. Worthless.

Key West Reader on July 20, 2012 at 7:32 PM

It’s really hard to get someone to feel like they are depending on you when they have a sandwich in one hand and a gun in the other.

Axe on July 20, 2012 at 7:34 PM

It’s really hard to get someone to feel like they are depending on you when they have a sandwich in one hand and a gun in the other.

Axe on July 20, 2012 at 7:34 PM

/Obama voter in Detroit.

Key West Reader on July 20, 2012 at 7:37 PM

Btw, loughner stays in the news here. I doubt I live long enough to see actual justice happen. When crazy is an excuse, it never ends well.

It’ll be the same with this.

wolly4321 on July 20, 2012 at 7:39 PM

That too but the second amendment is mostly to ward against the government that goes too far. The second amendment is about hunting men, not ducks, or even criminals.

sharrukin on July 20, 2012 at 7:21 PM

The right to be dangerous. :)

Anyone that’s ever tried to buy an exotic knife probably knows about the “chart” — the one that tells you if the knife is legal in your state. A knife, if anyone doesn’t know, is a piece of rock or metal that’s been rubbed on a piece of rock or metal. Anyway, “the chart” will tell you if the blade is too long, or too skinny, or too wide, or if it’s been sharpened on too many sides, or if the shape is legal or not, or if the protection scheme for the blade is legal or not, or if it’s the right color.

Just mentioning this because it says a little.

Axe on July 20, 2012 at 7:40 PM

I was asked the other day why I considered Michael Bloomberg to be even more dangerous than Barack Obama.

I don’t understand why people need to ask. This guy is a proud totalitarian.

MadisonConservative on July 20, 2012 at 6:11 PM

Circumstances. Bloomblob may be more the totalitarian, but little Bammie is in a far more powerful position and more malicious.

slickwillie2001 on July 20, 2012 at 7:41 PM

/Obama voter in Detroit.

Key West Reader on July 20, 2012 at 7:37 PM

Clarification. A sandwich they bought with their own money.

Axe on July 20, 2012 at 7:42 PM

Mikey, Mikey…you’ve got this all wrong. Americans do not shoot each other much more often than the rest of the world because we have an easier time acquiring firearms – it’s because we are an inherently murderous people. Going after guns will change nothing.

ernesto on July 20, 2012 at 6:14 PM

You really are an idiot.

AllahsNippleHair on July 20, 2012 at 6:15 PM

…and he named himself after one of the world’s most infamous butchers of human beings.

slickwillie2001 on July 20, 2012 at 7:43 PM

The right to be dangerous. :)

Anyone that’s ever tried to buy an exotic knife probably knows about the “chart” — the one that tells you if the knife is legal in your state.

Axe on July 20, 2012 at 7:40 PM

How do they outlaw this?

sharrukin on July 20, 2012 at 7:45 PM

In one of the Drudge articles on this guy, they said he was unable to find a job when he graduated with his BS in Neuroscience, and this led to his frustration and drift, and led him to the grad program in Colorado because he didn’t know what else to do.

So perhaps if one of the dozen times little Bammie said “he would focus like a laser on jobs”, -he really meant it, this might not have happened.

slickwillie2001 on July 20, 2012 at 7:52 PM

lol — socks are still legal.

Hey, wait, hmm

Axe on July 20, 2012 at 7:53 PM

Hey Bloomberg, this ain’t the United States of New York. We have a Constitutional right to bear arms. So STFU and eff off!

WannabeAnglican on July 20, 2012 at 7:59 PM

Maybe its a left right thing, I think its pretty distasteful. I dont mind them expressing there views on gun control today, It will only be viewed as petty. IMO most ppl consider them selves right so try not to get to grossed out about the left acting lefty.

Just wait a little, lets try to be classy and respectful of the dead and their family’s. Like good Right wingers.

boogaleesnots on July 20, 2012 at 8:02 PM

What the heck, people?? Why can’t our mental healthcare system be considered a first line of defense against this kind of thing??

EasyEight on July 20, 2012 at 7:22 PM

Liberals changed the commitment laws

workingclass artist on July 20, 2012 at 8:02 PM

Bloomberg

…isn’t this UpherYeastyside‘s Mayor???
…Doesn’t Yeasty have something to stick in Bloomberg’s mouth…to shut him up!

KOOLAID2 on July 20, 2012 at 8:06 PM

James Holmes is an unbalanced nut case (technical terms) who murdered many people. In a country of 300+ million people there will be people like James Holmes, many of them. There have always been people like James Holmes. There will always be people like James Holmes. Maybe we can identify them before they murder, maybe not. We will never be able to identify them all. Life will never be risk free.

James Holmes picked a theater filled with people he was virtually certain would be unarmed. He was almost certain his targets would be unarmed, helpless, and unable to escape.

Would James Holmes have done this if he thought there was a good chance that one or more people in that theater would be armed? I doubt it. He apparently wanted to live and did not commit suicide or suicide by cop.

farsighted on July 20, 2012 at 8:16 PM

I was asked the other day why I considered Michael Bloomberg to be even more dangerous than Barack Obama.

I don’t understand why people need to ask. This guy is a proud totalitarian.

MadisonConservative on July 20, 2012 at 6:11 PM

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I agree, he is a proud, gleeful totalitarian…the saving grace is that he is so open about it. He could never win a national election, IMO. Only the most brain dead of liberals would vote for him, and sadly, NYC is full of them.

ellifint on July 20, 2012 at 8:18 PM

Bloomberg is a slime bag that should keep his political mouth shut.

TX-96 on July 20, 2012 at 8:20 PM

Somebody please tell that idiot Bloomberg to take a flying f – - – at a rolling donut.

rplat on July 20, 2012 at 8:21 PM

I find it interesting reading thru the comments. It seems like there is a lot of blanket blame being put on whole groups of people. It must be nice to live in a world where you think the cure to all of earths ills is to simply blame a group that your not part of. According to this thread many comments think the U.S. would be a much better place with out Mexicans, Blacks and Liberals. Lets think about that for a minute. If there was no diversity of thought, ideas, beliefs, religions,races..would this even be the greatest country on earth? If you wanted to live somewhere where everyone thinks like you, looks like you and has the same beliefs and opinions as you..wouldn’t that make us like communist China or north Korea?

Politricks on July 20, 2012 at 8:21 PM

And instead of the two people – President Obama and [Gov.] Romney – talking in broad things about they want to make the world a better place, [OK], tell us how.”

Shut up, Bloomberg. It’s not the role of any elected official to tell us how to make the world a better place.

Stinking morons like this are in high places. It might make the world a better place if, instead of every billionaire thinking they can make it better, they just stuck to minding their own business and let the rest of us go about our lives unmolested by their “compassion”.

Cleombrotus on July 20, 2012 at 8:22 PM

If you wanted to live somewhere where everyone thinks like you, looks like you and has the same beliefs and opinions as you..wouldn’t that make us like communist China or north Korea?

Politricks on July 20, 2012 at 8:21 PM

No, it would make us like Japan.

Cleombrotus on July 20, 2012 at 8:23 PM

Michael Bloomberg — Look at me America! Look at me America! I’m important and smart! And I have something important to say! I have important questions to ask the Presidential candidates! Look at me! Look at me! I care! I care! Listen to me! Listen to me!

farsighted on July 20, 2012 at 8:26 PM

If you wanted to live somewhere where everyone thinks like you, looks like you and has the same beliefs and opinions as you..wouldn’t that make us like communist China or north Korea?

Politricks on July 20, 2012 at 8:21 PM

It would depend on what the beliefs are, don’t you think?

Cleombrotus on July 20, 2012 at 8:27 PM

farsighted on July 20, 2012 at 8:26 PM

Maybe a step ladder or a taller soap box would help? :-)

coldwarrior on July 20, 2012 at 8:27 PM

Aside from thought experiments, are there any data to support your claim?

ernesto on July 20, 2012 at 6:29 PM

Look at the gun crime in DC after DC vs Heller for starters.

Why is it the DC and the outskirts of MD (PG country) have gun crime stats greater than Fairfax Country VA yet Fairfax Country allows people to be armed.

The DC politicians claim it is because VA gun law makes it easier to buy guns in VA and them take them back to DC yet they never have provided any data that you claim you want to see.

Since Fairfax Country is one of the wealthiest in the USA, I would expect criminals from DC would be coming to Fairfax Country to rob its citizens and then flee back to DC but they never seam to do that do they?

It is always go to VA steal only a gun…drive past DC to MD and rob someone for drug deal money, then drive back into DC for the drug deal and someone gets shot when it goes badly.

And yet it is still VA’s fault for that. Even though they have never shown the public that VA is the source for all guns in DC/MD.

F15Mech on July 20, 2012 at 8:29 PM

My claim is that the American murder rate is considerably higher than our peers…

I feel that it’s because as Americans we are somehow more predisposed to kill. There is no other plausible explanation

ernesto on July 20, 2012 at 6:42 PM

Except for the fact that it wasn’t always the case. In 1943, for example, in New York City there were 43 homicides, by the 1970′s it was over a thousand with realatively similar population density.

What’s changed?

Cleombrotus on July 20, 2012 at 8:32 PM

What’s changed?

Cleombrotus on July 20, 2012 at 8:32 PM

Well, for starters, in 1943, Mayor La Guardia was a Republican. :-)

coldwarrior on July 20, 2012 at 8:36 PM

I was asked the other day why I considered Michael Bloomberg to be even more dangerous than Barack Obama.

I don’t understand why people need to ask. This guy is a proud totalitarian.

MadisonConservative on July 20, 2012 at 6:11 PM

A closet totalitarian seems more dangerous to me than a proud one.

Shay on July 20, 2012 at 8:37 PM

Well, for starters, in 1943, Mayor La Guardia was a Republican. :-)

coldwarrior on July 20, 2012 at 8:36 PM

Hmmm. Interesting. Then wouldn’t that also reflect the changed attitudes, dispositions, and cultural expectations of the residents of that day?

Cleombrotus on July 20, 2012 at 8:40 PM

I feel that it’s because as Americans we are somehow more predisposed to kill. There is no other plausible explanation

ernesto on July 20, 2012 at 6:42 PM

This has to rank up there with the most absurd of conclusions drawn here on HotAir in a long long time.

Besides the “I feel” part even.

Cleombrotus on July 20, 2012 at 8:43 PM

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