Bloomberg to Obama and Romney: Where exactly do you stand on gun control?

posted at 6:01 pm on July 20, 2012 by Tina Korbe

New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg joins the list of those who can’t bear to refrain from politicizing a tragedy for even one day:

“You know, soothing words are nice, but maybe it’s time that the two people who want to be [p]resident of the United States stand up and tell us what they are going to do about it because this is obviously a problem across the country,” Bloomberg said during an appearance on John Gambling’s radio show, the New York Observer reports. …

“I mean, there are so many murders with guns every day, it’s just got to stop. And instead of the two people – President Obama and [Gov.] Romney – talking in broad things about they want to make the world a better place, [OK], tell us how.”

Bloomberg’s immediate pivot from the movie massacre to one of his pet issues echoes tweets by Piers Morgan earlier today.

“More Americans will buy guns after this, to defend themselves, and so the dangerous spiral descends,” Morgan postulated. “When/how does it stop?”

Never mind that, as Michelle Malkin points out, armed Colorado citizens have, in fact, saved lives during mass shootings. The important point is to immediately pounce upon Americans’ natural response to this morning’s news. Morgan, Bloomberg and the rest know that Americans move quickly from “We mourn this moment” to “We must do something!” Not a minute to waste if they’re to ensure that the something Americans do is enact harsher gun policies!

Nor are they ashamed to so transparently seek to use heartache to advance their agenda.  Daily Kos editor David Waldman and fired John Edwards blogger Amanda Marcotte, for example, explicitly defend “the messy business” of dancing on graves.

But, really, why should they be ashamed? They sincerely believe in the efficacy of the “solution” they offer. If I thought for one minute that stricter requirements and a longer process to obtain a gun would somehow remove the violent streak so persistent in human nature, I’d join them in clamoring for ‘em.

That’s just it, though: Violence has exerted itself again and again in the gruesome and glorious history of humanity and it will again. As Judge Janine said on Fox News this morning, “In a free society, it happens.” We seek reasons and explanations for it, but, all too often, we find none. It is — as we so often say — senseless. As the mother of Columbine shooter Dylan Klebold put it, “I will never know why.” A sense of alienation, depression, distress … Any or all might drive an otherwise passive soul to desperate, destructive action. Greed,  hunger and ambition drive violence, too. For that matter, so, too, at times, do a sense of honor, justice or love. None is sufficient to explain the existence or persistence of violence in general. We’re reduced to this admission: Violence is in our nature as humans.

It’s not necessarily, then, a “problem” to be “solved,” but a constraint under which we must live. We rightly seek to deter violence, for its effects are brutal, painful and altogether undesirable. How do we best do that? Most proximately, we ensure that justice is served in our legal system so that would-be criminals know they will not escape punishment should they perpetrate a crime — and we arm the law-abiding populace as a further deterrent. More indirectly, we support the institutions and systems — the family and church, for example –  that produce adults less likely to commit crimes. We might not know why children of two-parent homes are less likely to be violent delinquents, for example, but we know that they are. It makes sense that we would seek to foster the family if we wish to reduce violence. Sadly, none of the systems we put in place to deter violence will eliminate it entirely.

On the other side of violence, though, we see something more positive. The something we do in response to tragedy is as equally human as violence itself, but far more humane: We hurt alongside, we pray for, we speak words of comfort to, we hug, we feed and we love the victims and their families. Isn’t that enough for today?

Tina Korbe is Policy Impact Director at the Oklahoma Council of Public Affairs and a former associate editor at HotAir.com (but you knew that!).


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Tina?

Bloomberg “Never Let A Crisis Go To Waste”

Dr Evil on July 20, 2012 at 6:03 PM

I mean Bishop

Dr Evil on July 20, 2012 at 6:04 PM

Here we go.

AllahsNippleHair on July 20, 2012 at 6:04 PM

bho Gut the 2nd, take the guns away from anyone but the bad guys holder/F&F approve.

Mitt, Everyone in the US should/must have a gun to protect themselves anyplace they go!
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letget on July 20, 2012 at 6:05 PM

The only appropriate response is: FYNQ, you ghoul.

Joe Mama on July 20, 2012 at 6:06 PM

We need to ban guns. Because someone willing to ignore the ban on murder would like totally draw the line with gun laws.

Kataklysmic on July 20, 2012 at 6:06 PM

Bloomburg: Where exactly do you stand on giving away 80% of your wealth to the poor–to non-profit shelters, food banks, clothing distributors, etc.

Oh,wait! Never mind–those 32oz cups of pop are more a worry for you, right?

And salt–can’t have salt being too available, either, huh?

Pffft!

Liam on July 20, 2012 at 6:07 PM

The bodies aren’t even cold yet, and the first thing fascist ghoul thinks about is his tyrannical agenda.

RadClown on July 20, 2012 at 6:07 PM

Ask Chicago and DC about gun co trol, you simpering sack of sh!t.
Now, STFU and go away.

AllahsNippleHair on July 20, 2012 at 6:07 PM

Mike Bloomberg – Tyrannical ghoul.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on July 20, 2012 at 6:08 PM

That’s just it, though: Violence has exerted itself again and again in the gruesome and glorious history of humanity and it will again.

Yup and in Rwanda 800,000 died in 100 days and they were mostly killed with machetes.

sharrukin on July 20, 2012 at 6:08 PM

Hussein is trying to covers his tracks on a scheme that put thousands of weapons into the hands of the cartels.

And Romney, if he’s smart, should be looking into ways to stop idjits like Bloomberg from trampling all over the 2nd Amendment rights of law abiding citizens.

antipc on July 20, 2012 at 6:11 PM

Gun control?

Yeah.

Knowing when to go full auto or semi. Two round bursts of three rounders.

Does Bloomie The Short understand this massacre in Colorado took place in a facility that was clearly marked as a no-gun zone?

coldwarrior on July 20, 2012 at 6:11 PM

What a political opportunist of the worst insidious sort for Bloomberg to exploit this for political purposes so soon.
What an inconsiderate [snip]. Remember, the 2nd Amendment was written for a reason, and freedom counts for a lot, and as importantly, the old adage is correct: when they outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns.
Moreover, evidence is that in areas with robust conceal and carry laws, gun crimes are much less. Repeat: gun crimes, and indeed, crime in general, is much less! Imagine if this shooter had to think that he would deal with several theater goers who would be armed. He would not likely of carried out the task, or he would have been shot down way way before he shot 71 people!!!

http://hotair.com/archives/2012/07/17/video-excellent-concealed-carrier-stops-an-armed-robbery/

anotherJoe on July 20, 2012 at 6:11 PM

I was asked the other day why I considered Michael Bloomberg to be even more dangerous than Barack Obama.

I don’t understand why people need to ask. This guy is a proud totalitarian.

MadisonConservative on July 20, 2012 at 6:11 PM

Chicago
Chicago
Chicago
Chicago

The Notorious G.O.P on July 20, 2012 at 6:11 PM

Posted elsewhere:

Why did this shooter pick a place where he knew no one else could be armed?

Chip on July 20, 2012 at 6:12 PM

or three rounders. dammit!

coldwarrior on July 20, 2012 at 6:12 PM

My question is about the exits. I thought emergency exits were rigged to set off an alarm when they’re opened. Did alarms go off? If they didn’t have alarms, would they have an impact if they did?

El_Terrible on July 20, 2012 at 6:12 PM

Yup and in Rwanda 800,000 died in 100 days and they were mostly killed with machetes.

sharrukin on July 20, 2012 at 6:08 PM

And in Israel teens carry actual submachine guns all over the place but the murder rate is about 0. The arab terrorists there use other weapons since terrorist shooters are usually cut down pretty quickly by people carrying guns.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on July 20, 2012 at 6:13 PM

Oh, almost forgot.

Hey Bloomers, STFD and STFU.

antipc on July 20, 2012 at 6:14 PM

7. How many gun laws are there?

This depends wholly on what state you are living in. Because of our federal system of government, each state has a different set of laws regarding firearms. Some are very restrictive, others are not. There are also federal laws that apply to all of us, particularly regarding what types of weapons one can purchase, who can sell guns, and who is allowed to buy them. However, according to gun authority Bruce B. Biggs, there are roughly twenty thousand gun control-laws in the United States.
http://www.saf.org/default.asp?p=gunrights_faq

Yeh we need more laws.

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CW on July 20, 2012 at 6:14 PM

Mikey, Mikey…you’ve got this all wrong. Americans do not shoot each other much more often than the rest of the world because we have an easier time acquiring firearms – it’s because we are an inherently murderous people. Going after guns will change nothing.

ernesto on July 20, 2012 at 6:14 PM

To be a little more on topic, I’ve never wanted a CCW as much as I do now.

El_Terrible on July 20, 2012 at 6:14 PM

Aren’t explosives illegal too? How did this guy get explosives?

El_Terrible on July 20, 2012 at 6:15 PM

And in Israel teens carry actual submachine guns all over the place but the murder rate is about 0. The arab terrorists there use other weapons since terrorist shooters are usually cut down pretty quickly by people carrying guns.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on July 20, 2012 at 6:13 PM

Strangley I have been to my share of flea markets where they sell guns ,knives, machetes and have escaped with my life. Weird.

CW on July 20, 2012 at 6:15 PM

Mikey, Mikey…you’ve got this all wrong. Americans do not shoot each other much more often than the rest of the world because we have an easier time acquiring firearms – it’s because we are an inherently murderous people. Going after guns will change nothing.

ernesto on July 20, 2012 at 6:14 PM

You really are an idiot.

AllahsNippleHair on July 20, 2012 at 6:15 PM

History is clear on this: There was no violence or murder before firearms were invented. Time to ban them and make us safe.

Bishop on July 20, 2012 at 6:16 PM

– it’s because we are an inherently murderous people. Going after guns will change nothing.

ernesto on July 20, 2012 at 6:14 PM

We have issues and the number of guns isn’t the reason.

Nice try though.

CW on July 20, 2012 at 6:17 PM

We should just make guns illegal, I mean look, it works with drugs….right?

The Notorious G.O.P on July 20, 2012 at 6:17 PM

There are strict gun control laws in Norway, but that did not stop a psycho killer from getting a gun and killing a bunch {unarmed} people…maybe if one of them had a gun, he would not have done so much damage.

Terrye on July 20, 2012 at 6:18 PM

El_Terrible on July 20, 2012 at 6:12 PM

Could it be the alarms going off was what those there thought was part of the show? From what I have read, many there thought this whole thing going on was part of the show?
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letget on July 20, 2012 at 6:18 PM

Where do they stand on salt control? Soda control?

Ward Cleaver on July 20, 2012 at 6:18 PM

I’ll bet that every single person who responded to handle this guy was armed to the teeth.

Too bad one of the moviegoers wasn’t armed, he could have stopped this, maybe even before the a-hole got one round off.

Think about it.

Brian1972 on July 20, 2012 at 6:19 PM

Strangley I have been to my share of flea markets where they sell guns ,knives, machetes and have escaped with my life. Weird.

CW on July 20, 2012 at 6:15 PM

Not me, I’ve been killed multiple times by by weapons that jumped from the table and attacked me.

Bishop on July 20, 2012 at 6:19 PM

Guns don’t kill people, guns in the hands of Mexican drug gangs do.

29Victor on July 20, 2012 at 6:19 PM

Could it be the alarms going off was what those there thought was part of the show? From what I have read, many there thought this whole thing going on was part of the show?
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letget on July 20, 2012 at 6:18 PM

Could be. I heard that too, that they thought the smoke bombs were part of the show.

El_Terrible on July 20, 2012 at 6:20 PM

Chances are that the motivation of the shooter was press attention. We should outlaw the press and hold Bloomberg personally responsible for this tragedy!

29Victor on July 20, 2012 at 6:21 PM

Going after guns will change nothing.

ernesto on July 20, 2012 at 6:14 PM

Wrong. Going after guns will shift guns out of the hands of law-abiding people and into the hands of criminals, resulting more successful criminal acts.

MadisonConservative on July 20, 2012 at 6:21 PM

And in Israel teens carry actual submachine guns all over the place but the murder rate is about 0. The arab terrorists there use other weapons since terrorist shooters are usually cut down pretty quickly by people carrying guns.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on July 20, 2012 at 6:13 PM

And Switzerland has weapons in almost every home including fully automatic weapons. Japan has very strict gun laws and the two nations have very low rates of violent crime. Guns have no link to increased crime rates, but they do reduce crime when it is present.

sharrukin on July 20, 2012 at 6:21 PM

My question is about the exits. I thought emergency exits were rigged to set off an alarm when they’re opened. Did alarms go off? If they didn’t have alarms, would they have an impact if they did?

El_Terrible on July 20, 2012 at 6:12 PM

Apparently he purchased a ticket, snuck out an exit, propped the door open and went and got his firearms out of his car.

DoubleClutchin on July 20, 2012 at 6:22 PM

Since governments killed more people in the 20th Century than anything else I think that governments should be illegal.

29Victor on July 20, 2012 at 6:22 PM

Mikey, Mikey…you’ve got this all wrong. Americans do not shoot each other much more often than the rest of the world because we have an easier time acquiring firearms – it’s because we are an inherently murderous people. Going after guns will change nothing.

ernesto on July 20, 2012 at 6:14 PM

How cute. Someone acting as if Bloomberg and other libs have a hard on for gun control because they’re worried about the civilian murder rate. Psst–Hey Ernie–they want to take away guns so they can rule with an iron fist and not have to worry about a citizen uprising.

Kataklysmic on July 20, 2012 at 6:22 PM

ernesto on July 20, 2012 at 6:14 PM

Hey genius, criminals of all kinds agree on one thing:

A potential victim who is armed doesn’t really make such a good victim after all. I’ll go find somebody who thinks the police will get here in time to stop the crime, if you get the chance to call them at all.

Police clean up the mess after it’s all over, and try to find out who did it.

Brian1972 on July 20, 2012 at 6:22 PM

El_Terrible on July 20, 2012 at 6:12 PM

Could it be the alarms going off was what those there thought was part of the show? From what I have read, many there thought this whole thing going on was part of the show?
L

letget on July 20, 2012 at 6:18 PM

That happened in 2003 at the RI nightclub fire. Those who moved as soon as they saw the flames made it out.

AllahsNippleHair on July 20, 2012 at 6:24 PM

May ernesto and Bloomberg get together, and Fluke each other, if only with inanities, until they can do no more harm.

Schadenfreude on July 20, 2012 at 6:25 PM

SHUT UP!

__________________________

msdnc was feigning outrage over the 3 states with the ‘weakest’ gun control laws:
AZ
UT
AK

PUHLEEZE

cmsinaz on July 20, 2012 at 6:25 PM

I so hope this topic remains alive until Nov. 6.

Schadenfreude on July 20, 2012 at 6:26 PM

Chicago
Chicago
Chicago
Chicago

The Notorious G.O.P on July 20, 2012 at 6:11 PM

THIS

cmsinaz on July 20, 2012 at 6:26 PM

Yup and in Rwanda 800,000 died in 100 days and they were mostly killed with machetes.

sharrukin on July 20, 2012 at 6:08 PM

A few years ago in one of the Maryland suburbs of D.C. there were a series of machete attacks. They were all gang related, one of the Hispanic groups, MS13 I think. The first thing out of the idiot county supervisors was that they were looking into curtailing the sales of machetes.

Oldnuke on July 20, 2012 at 6:28 PM

People should not be afraid of their government, the government should be afraid of their people.

Bishop on July 20, 2012 at 6:28 PM

If gun control was so great and the answer to ridding ourselves of crime, then why would the police still need to carry guns? I mean, you know, they want to ban guns so why would the police still need them?
Yeah, maybe what we need is for law enforcement all over America to just reason with the criminals.. tell them we’ll all lay down our guns at once. Come into the streets and have a love fest “we can ll just get along” party or something.

JellyToast on July 20, 2012 at 6:29 PM

So, the solution to having violent nutburgers who want to break the law to make themselves famous in society is to make the peaceful, sane people less able to protect themselves?

THAT’S your solution?

Ummm, no. Although I suppose I could spray them with margarine from my my half-gallon size BladderBuster™ cup and breathe smoke in his face from unfiltered Lucky Strike cigarettes instead.

MunDane68 on July 20, 2012 at 6:29 PM

Hey, who let this obamaturd out of his bucket?

Pork-Chop on July 20, 2012 at 6:29 PM

Since governments killed more people in the 20th Century than anything else I think that governments should be illegal.

29Victor on July 20, 2012 at 6:22 PM

I rise today in this Chamber, my friends, to co-sponsor this legislation with the esteemed gentleman from Hot Air, 29Victor.

We must hereby and forthwith outlaw ourselves, for we, the government of these United States, are the biggest threat to Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness that exists in our society today. I implore my colleagues to hear this plea, reason with themselves, and vote Aye to hereby and forthwith so untoeth banish all Congress from this noble Capitol, so that Freedom may once again reign across this great land, from sea to shining sea.

Thank you Mr. Speaker, and I yield the balance of my time.

I could get into some of that. :)

Brian1972 on July 20, 2012 at 6:29 PM

Psst–Hey Ernie–they want to take away guns so they can rule with an iron fist and not have to worry about a citizen uprising.

Kataklysmic on July 20, 2012 at 6:22 PM

Acute paranoia isn’t really something you should be advertising on a forum where you want to be taken seriously for your ideas…

Brian1972 on July 20, 2012 at 6:22 PM

I agree. Our murder rate requires an explanation, though. I agree with those here that feel Mr. Bloomberg is misguided in assigning blame. However, there must be SOME explanation for the unique regularity with which Americans shoot one another.

Going after guns will shift guns out of the hands of law-abiding people and into the hands of criminals, resulting more successful criminal acts.

MadisonConservative on July 20, 2012 at 6:21 PM

Aside from thought experiments, are there any data to support your claim?

ernesto on July 20, 2012 at 6:29 PM

We know where Obama stands on guns. Sell them to gun runners so outlaws can kill innocent people.

Nows’s a great time to release all the papers Obama.

plutorocks on July 20, 2012 at 6:30 PM

Bloomberg to Obama and Romney: Where exactly do you stand on gun control?

Obama: I would ask my Attorney General.

Romney: I would ask the Attorney General.

BlaxPac on July 20, 2012 at 6:30 PM

Wasn’t this movie theater a gun free zone? I’m thinking this is why the guy picked in the first place.

JellyToast on July 20, 2012 at 6:31 PM

Ernesto believes criminals will respect gun laws.

Bwahahaahahhaha hahahaha bwahahhahaha hhahahhahhahahaahh

what a dummy.

Ernie has a hard time with reality. There are around 200,000,000 guns in America. We can’t go collect 12- 20 miilion illegals but we can go collect 200 million guns?

Sheesh Ernie you’re dumber than a Prius full of 15 democrats.

CW on July 20, 2012 at 6:32 PM

I added this pusbag to the plethora of communist politicians on my hate list a long time ago. Since then he’s just been justifying his spot on that list over and over again.

What happens to politicians when they get into office that they suddenly disown the founding principles of this country, especially individual freedom and personal responsibility? Every pol ever caught going against these ideals should be imprisoned immediately.

Wolfmoon on July 20, 2012 at 6:32 PM

I’m bored to death with liberals making demands of people, most especially when awful things happen. Who do liberals think they are, by what right or law should anyone answer to them?

It’s easy for Bloomie to make his demands about guns when he has 45,000 NYCPD to cover him if he makes a phone call. But for people in his sh!tty city and in every other place where liberals have banned guns, we regular folk are left at the mercy of psycho shooters.

Liam on July 20, 2012 at 6:32 PM

Where does Obama stand? Is that a SERIOUS question from Mikey Bloomberg – THE GUY WITH PERSONAL ARMED BODY GUARDS?

Hey Mikey, ya dim bulb. Look at Barry’s past voting track record.

YOU CAN’T OWN A GUN!

Or are your really that stupid Mikey?

GarandFan on July 20, 2012 at 6:32 PM

Tina!

Time for me & all other interested HotGassers to enjoy a stick of fried butter!

22044 on July 20, 2012 at 6:33 PM

A few years ago in one of the Maryland suburbs of D.C. there were a series of machete attacks. They were all gang related, one of the Hispanic groups, MS13 I think. The first thing out of the idiot county supervisors was that they were looking into curtailing the sales of machetes.

Oldnuke on July 20, 2012 at 6:28 PM

I saw a video of a prison shank made from melted Styrofoam cups using toilet paper and a lighter.

As Tina say, they cannot ban the human spirit, and we are at our most inventive when intent on murdering each other.

sharrukin on July 20, 2012 at 6:33 PM

CW on July 20, 2012 at 6:32 PM

When have I ever said that I supported gun control laws? I haven’t once said that. I’m open to any other explanation for why we shoot our fellow Americans that much more often than any large nation.

ernesto on July 20, 2012 at 6:33 PM

Psst–Hey Ernie–they want to take away guns so they can rule with an iron fist and not have to worry about a citizen uprising.

Kataklysmic on July 20, 2012 at 6:22 PM

Acute paranoia isn’t really something you should be advertising on a forum where you want to be taken seriously for your ideas…

ernesto on July 20, 2012 at 6:29 PM

↑↑↑This is the worst part about being a student of history, folks. You’re forced to sit back and watch those who aren’t repeat the mistakes of the past.

Kataklysmic on July 20, 2012 at 6:33 PM

Doesn’t Bloomburg have armed security guards around him at all times? Why? Has anyone ever accused his armed security guards of inciting gun crimes just by the fact they are armed? If law abiding gun owners are the problem, then why aren’t armed police and security personnel also the problem? Why aren’t their guns also causing crime?

JellyToast on July 20, 2012 at 6:34 PM

Mr. Mayor. NYC has one of the strictest gun control polices in the nation, and probably ranks as the top 10 worldwide…

That being said, can you explain why there still was at least ONE murder by gunshot in NYC each year?

BlaxPac on July 20, 2012 at 6:34 PM

Acute paranoia isn’t really something you should be advertising on a forum where you want to be taken seriously for your ideas…

ernesto on July 20, 2012 at 6:29 PM

Aside from thought experiments, are there any data to support your claim?

ernesto on July 20, 2012 at 6:29 PM

You first.

CW on July 20, 2012 at 6:34 PM

Mikey, Mikey…you’ve got this all wrong. Americans do not shoot each other much more often than the rest of the world because we have an easier time acquiring firearms – it’s because we are an inherently murderous people. Going after guns will change nothing.

ernesto on July 20, 2012 at 6:14 PM

So you don’t support Bloomberg who is a gun control advocate? So you make some smartarse comment supporting him..why?

CW on July 20, 2012 at 6:36 PM

Aside from thought experiments, are there any data to support your claim?

ernesto on July 20, 2012 at 6:29 PM

I thought I made it clear.

A victim with a .45 ain’t really much of a victim, are they?

It’s really that simple.

One person in that theater, with a good old 1911 .45cal on their belt and the training to use it, could have made that jerk’s head a canoe before he got off a single round, or at worst could have stopped him after one or two shots.

Instead we’ve got 12 dead, 59 wounded. That is a lot of shooting, uninterrupted.

You have nothing to fear from an armed law abiding citizen.

It is the criminal who should fear that.

Brian1972 on July 20, 2012 at 6:37 PM

Ernie do you think the killer goes in that theater if he believes even 10 percent of the crowd is armed?

CW on July 20, 2012 at 6:38 PM

Bloomberg to Obama and Romney: Where exactly do you stand on gun control?

Romney has his bases covered, he’s taken a firm stand on both sides of the gun control issue.

FloatingRock on July 20, 2012 at 6:38 PM

Tina Korbe is Policy Impact Director at the Oklahoma Council of Public Affairs and a former associate editor at HotAir.com (but you knew that!).

Bloomberg is a supreme @$$hat (but you knew that!).

22044 on July 20, 2012 at 6:38 PM

If Obama / Obaka gets a second term the 2nd Amendment is toast.

What a horrible, horrible thing to happen to all of those innocent people. For the Bloombergs and the Obakas of the world this is a political opportunity and for that they should be ashamed of themselves.

Tell ya what, Mikael…. stick to regulating Big Gulps. You’ll never get our guns. Get it? Got it? Good.

Key West Reader on July 20, 2012 at 6:39 PM

Bloomberg to Obama and Romney: Where exactly do you stand on gun control?

Better question: DO YOU SUPPORT THE 2nd AMENDMENT TO THE US CONSTITUTION ? (and just for OBOZO: DO YOU SUPPORT ANYTHING IN THE US CONSTITUTION?)

TeaPartyNation on July 20, 2012 at 6:39 PM

No shots were fired in Oklahoma City, nor unfortunately on 9/11.

FirelandsO3 on July 20, 2012 at 6:39 PM

I haven’t once said that. I’m open to any other explanation for why we shoot our fellow Americans that much more often than any large nation.

ernesto on July 20, 2012 at 6:33 PM

At least for Americans we are a gun based culture. That’s not going to change, nor should it.

Because as many people get shot, and as tragic as it can be, a well armed citizenship is a good a guarantee of continued personal and societal survival as is in this world.

BlaxPac on July 20, 2012 at 6:40 PM

sharrukin on July 20, 2012 at 6:33 PM

Back during the Great Cold War, we learned how to make a lethal baton out of a tightly rolled up copy of Time or Newsweek (or whatever the local favorite medium format magazine might be. Nice to have when walking through a neighborhood full of unknowns and unfriendlies. Can handily defeat an attacker in close contact with that sort of thing. When you are done, simply toss it into a trash can. No incriminating “weapon” for the local authorities to roust you for.

Lots of other lethal objects to be found around the home or office than can be adapted if it comes down to it.

We have way too many gun laws already, and most are confusing and often at odds with each other. And these gun laws have accomplished what, exactly?

coldwarrior on July 20, 2012 at 6:40 PM

JellyToast on July 20, 2012 at 6:34 PM

JT, he dwells amongst the Elite. He can haz whatever he wants. He can decide what YOU can have.

/Infuriating, I know.

Key West Reader on July 20, 2012 at 6:41 PM

You first.

CW on July 20, 2012 at 6:34 PM

My claim is that the American murder rate is considerably higher than our peers. Given our current level of development, we kill our fellow Americans at much greater rate than Western Europe, Australia, or Japan. This is my claim – what I’m looking for is an answer as to why. Mr. Bloomberg is suggesting that it’s because Americans can easily access guns. I disagree. I feel that it’s because as Americans we are somehow more predisposed to kill. There is no other plausible explanation

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

ernesto on July 20, 2012 at 6:42 PM

notice no comparisons with the outcome of the internet cafe/casino with this.

RonK on July 20, 2012 at 6:43 PM

Bloomberg needs to know where Romney stands on gun control because if Romney gives the right answer Bloomberg might be able to deliver NYC to Romney on election day, right?

Romney should ignore Bloomberg.

farsighted on July 20, 2012 at 6:43 PM

Some years ago I was in England for some business, and a tragedy happened there which sparked more heated conversation in the pubs around town.

You know they can’t own handguns there, or even keep rifles and shotguns around. They can “own” them, but have to keep them in local armories and “check them out” when/if they ever want to use them for hunting or what not.

Anyway, the second day I was in London this idiot brought a knife into a school and started stabbing and hacking his way through, killing a couple and injuring many more.

Later in the pub I could hear everyone talking about it and criticizing Americans and their cowboy-wild west ideals regarding guns. I earned immediate scorn when I suggested that one of the school security folks would have stopped that slaughter with one bullet. They were aghast. They insisted it was great that only criminals had guns there.

I shut them up when I reminded them that this guy didn’t have a gun, he had a knife, then asked when they would start promoting registering or banning knifes of any kind. Keep them in armories maybe. Then what after that, ban stones? Harsh words?

Apparently the sheep there are just as bad as the ignorant, fact ignoring craphead liberals here. It’s not about stopping crime, it’s about stopping the ability of citizens from keeping the government in check. In England as well as most places in Europe now, that’s clearly out the window and they’re even afraid to admit that they’ve been enslaved for fear of imprisonment or worse. This is what liberals want here. No thanks libs, I’d much rather you move over there than have to shoot your gun grabbing asses here.

Wolfmoon on July 20, 2012 at 6:43 PM

I haven’t once said that. I’m open to any other explanation for why we shoot our fellow Americans that much more often than any large nation.

ernesto on July 20, 2012 at 6:33 PM

You are obviously addressing a Chicago audience or a Detroit audience.

Key West Reader on July 20, 2012 at 6:44 PM

I mean, there are so many murders with guns every day, it’s just got to stop.

There are so many car accidents where people die every day, it’s just got to stop. Ban Cars!

Or fill in with: swimming pools, knives, electricity, tall buildings, bicycles, motorcycles, high bridges, baseball bats, etc, etc.

Scrappy on July 20, 2012 at 6:44 PM

We have way too many gun laws already, and most are confusing and often at odds with each other. And these gun laws have accomplished what, exactly?

coldwarrior on July 20, 2012 at 6:40 PM

They make it more difficult for the citizenry to revolt against the state. That is why gun control was enacted in Russia, in Germany and elsewhere. The fact that they keep pushing gun control in the absence of proof of its effectiveness should tell you that they have other motives. Guns put power into the hands of the citizen and big government types want that power reserved exclusively for themselves.

sharrukin on July 20, 2012 at 6:45 PM

SCREW YOU BLOOMBERG, YOU GIANT TOTALITARIAN SACK OF EXCREMENT!

rayra on July 20, 2012 at 6:45 PM

We need to ban guns. Because someone willing to ignore the ban on murder would like totally draw the line with gun laws.

Kataklysmic on July 20, 2012 at 6:06 PM

Works well in Chicago. Oh, wait. Nevermind.

farsighted on July 20, 2012 at 6:45 PM

I’m open to any other explanation for why we shoot our fellow Americans that much more often than any large nation.

ernesto on July 20, 2012 at 6:33 PM

What’s the homicide rate in China? Russia? Brazil? Kenya? Uganda? Rwanda? Is it more or less than the homicide rate in the U.S.?

Oldnuke on July 20, 2012 at 6:45 PM

How does Bloomberg feel about ‘Fast and Furious’…?

Seven Percent Solution on July 20, 2012 at 6:46 PM

You can take Bloomberg out of the Democrat Party but you can’t take the jackass out of Bloomberg.

Buy Danish on July 20, 2012 at 6:47 PM

wow, even juan is not digging bloomies little rant….

very stupid move on bloomie’s part…

cmsinaz on July 20, 2012 at 6:47 PM

– it’s because we are an inherently murderous people. Going after guns will change nothing.

ernesto on July 20, 2012 at 6:14 PM

100 million dead in the last century, and it wasn’t because of Americans. It seems godless communists are really the inherent murderers. Funny how totalitarians disarm the populace before killing them.

darwin on July 20, 2012 at 6:47 PM

Oldnuke on July 20, 2012 at 6:45 PM

The rule of law is a farce in those nations. I’m talking our peers – nations with similar levels of economic and civic development. Why are we 4 times more murderous than Australians? Brits? The Japanese?

ernesto on July 20, 2012 at 6:48 PM

I disagree. I feel that it’s because as Americans we are somehow more predisposed to kill. There is no other plausible explanation

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

ernesto on July 20, 2012 at 6:42 PM

I think you missed a caveat there, pal. Did you exempt the jihadi’s in Pokestahn, Nigeria, Kenya, Yemen, Syria, Jordan, Lebanon, et al? Or did you forget about the Mexican cartels that have killed thousands (with Eric Holder’s aid)

For you to say that Americans are predisposed to kill is deplorable, ernesto.

Key West Reader on July 20, 2012 at 6:48 PM

Mass murderers tend to either off themseslves or commit suicide by cop after committing the deed, with some exceptions, as seen today and in Norway. Since death doesn’t seem to be a deterent, I’ve wondered for some time why they don’t go all suicide bomber or WMD such as chemical gas in a crowded enclosure. This guy had training in biology and chemistry,…I doubt he would have been able to manufacture up a biological agent, but I’ll bet he could have created some pretty deadly gas or backpack explosives with just a little effort. Guns are just the tool. Mass murderers will find something to use,…hell, a couple of Molotov cocktails tossed in that exit door, then locking it shut, would have accomplished what he wanted. The key is to recognize these nuts and protect society from them before the fact. Gun control is trying to treat a symptom.

a capella on July 20, 2012 at 6:48 PM

Oldnuke on July 20, 2012 at 6:45 PM

You mean how many citizens has the chinese government killed?

I don’t think you’d even find an accurate admission of that, especially since the government is armed and the people there are not.

Wolfmoon on July 20, 2012 at 6:48 PM

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