Debunking the latest global warming hysterics

posted at 4:41 pm on July 18, 2012 by Dustin Siggins

In last couple of months, two studies have been released showing climate change is expected to have a devastating impact on the East Coast and West Coast of the United States. As reported by Just Facts President Jim Agresti:

One study…was published in the journal Nature Climate Change and shows a “recent acceleration” of sea-level rise on the East Coast from North Carolina to Massachusetts. According to the Associated Press, “By 2100, scientists and computer models estimate that sea levels globally could rise as much as 3.3 feet,” and this study predicts that the East Coast could see “8 to 11 inches more” than this, hence “putting one of the world’s most costly coasts in danger of flooding….”

The other study…was published by the National Research Council and publicized with a Los Angeles Times headline that reads “California sea levels to rise 5-plus feet this century, study says.”

In reading Agresti’s take on the studies, as well as the reporting done on them, however, it is clear that the studies aren’t as devastating as the left would have us believe. For example, Agresti notes that Reuters went quite far in its reporting:

Reuters took the hyperbole a leap further by claiming that the East Coast study shows “sea levels from Cape Hatteras to Cape Cod are rising at a faster pace than anywhere on Earth.” This assertion appears to be completely fabricated. The study compares global average sea-level accelerations to those on the coastlines of the continental U.S. and southernmost portion of Canada. It says nothing about any other specific locations, and an email to one of the study’s authors confirms that the study “does not make comparisons ‘to anywhere on earth’.”

Agresti also finds some pretty significant potential for conflicts of interest – conflicts that could have a substantial impact on the economy of the United States:

Finally, a lesson in double standards. The East Coast study concludes with a statement that the “authors declare no competing financial interests.” The journal that published this study defines such interests as “those of a financial nature that” could potentially influence “the objectivity, integrity or perceived value of a publication.” Yet, the authors of East Coast study are employed by the U.S. Geological Survey, which is a federal agency funded by tax dollars. This could certainly be described as a competing financial interest given that federal government stands to reap trillions of dollars through global warming legislation.

Tellingly, Obama administration Treasury Department documents obtained under the Freedom of Information Act describe “emissions allowances under a cap and trade system” as “valuable assets” that are “analogous to revenue under an equivalent tax policy.” These documents specify that such legislation “could generate federal receipts” ranging from $100 to $300 billion every year.

Agresti does not go so far as to say the studies are completely invalid, however. He merely ascertains the truth in the studies. This includes closely examining the studies to show how even one of the study’s government-funded press releases is misleading:

The official press release for the East Coast study states that “rates of sea level rise are increasing three-to-four times faster along portions of the U.S. Atlantic Coast than globally.” This language is easily misconstrued, and this is exactly what has occurred in many news reports. In the context of this study, the word “faster” refers to sea-level acceleration, not to sea-level rise. Yet, Reuters, for example, reported that “sea levels in this corridor were rising between three and four times faster than the global average.” This is simply not true…In fact, global sea-level accelerations are so close to zero that they can be positive, zero, or negative depending upon the timeframe that scientists analyze.

Climate change may indeed be happening, but these studies and the corresponding reporting really don’t make the case for it or how much humans impact it. Instead, they show that Earth is constantly changing in dynamic and uncertain ways. As Agresti points out:

So, will global warming flood the coasts of the United States? Despite what many media outlets and some scientists would lead us to believe, no one really knows. What we do know, however, is that a number of previous claims that global warming will cause flooding, starvation, and extreme weather have thus far proven unfounded.

Indeed. And they want us to pay how many more billions in taxes for “unfounded” claims about global warming and its relation to flooding and extreme weather?


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Dusty…Al Gores on the phone!

KOOLAID2 on July 18, 2012 at 4:44 PM

Ugh,its the Sun!!!

canopfor on July 18, 2012 at 4:47 PM

And they want us to pay how many more billions in taxes for “unfounded” claims about global warming and its relation to flooding and extreme weather?

Yes, as much as they can get as long as the party lasts. Aall billions to be redistributed to enrich a select few and in retribution for western capitalist exploitation of the world’s poor.

hawkeye54 on July 18, 2012 at 4:48 PM

We should probably bankrupt our economy with feel-good legislation just in case though.

Meric1837 on July 18, 2012 at 4:48 PM

The Glodes warms. Then, the globe cools. Isn’t God’s creation amazing?

kingsjester on July 18, 2012 at 4:48 PM

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canopfor on July 18, 2012 at 4:49 PM

Ponder this my fine Hot Gas Friends…

Dr. Micheal Mann of Inconvenient Hockey Stick Fame was cleared of all allegation of Ethical and Legal misconduct, by the exact same University that allowed Jerry Sandusky to molest young boys.

SWalker on July 18, 2012 at 4:51 PM

I still don’t understand how the sea level can rise at one point on earth and not rise the same at another point. Aren’t all the oceans connected? If you put more water into any spot on the ocean, doesn’t the “sea level” rise uniformly among all the oceans?

Can the “sea level” truly be higher at one spot than at another, like a one hill being higher than another?

If I pour more water into a pail, the water doesn’t just rise in the spot where I poured it.

Maybe I’m missing some “science” here?

Also, I recall some studies many years ago (around the time of the Kevin Costner Waterworld movie) showing that even if all of the ice shelves melted, the overall sea level wouldn’t rise that much – just a few feet. So, how are all these studies claiming such catastrophic effects based on the very low level of warming being claimed (even in the most ridiculous claims, they are not claiming more than a few degrees of rise are they? – thus it would be highly unlikely for all the ice to melt).

I just have yet to see any evidence that global warming, even if caused by man, is such a terrible thing.

Monkeytoe on July 18, 2012 at 4:52 PM

Dustin are you Jennifer Rubin’s brother?

Viator on July 18, 2012 at 4:53 PM

Mike Rosen, Denver KOA radio talk show, played a clip yesterday of George Carlin outright attacking the extreme environmentalists. It was hilarious – and Carlin was getting catcalls from obvious libs in the audience who did not like what he was saying.

dentarthurdent on July 18, 2012 at 4:54 PM

The MOST RECENT UNBIASED SCIENTIFIC Study to totally, completely debunk the GloBULL Warming Hoax…

MailOnline – By Rob Waugh
PUBLISHED: 07:22 EST, 11 July 2012 | UPDATED: 07:22 EST, 11 July 2012

“Rings in fossilised pine trees have proven that the world was much warmer than previously thought – and the earth has been slowly COOLING for 2,000 years. Measurements stretching back to 138BC prove that the Earth is slowly cooling due to changes in the distance between the Earth and the sun. The finding may force scientists to rethink current theories of the impact of global warming.

It is the first time that researchers have been able to accurately measure trends in global temperature over the last two millennia. Over that time, the world has been getting cooler – and previous estimates, used as the basis for current climate science, are wrong.”

The usual intelligent response from the the GloBULL Warming Hoax Eco-Fascist crowd: NA, NA, NA, NA, NA…we can’t hear you…NA, NA, NA, NA, NA…send us some more taxpayer money for our phony “research”…NA, NA, NA, NA, NA….

TeaPartyNation on July 18, 2012 at 4:54 PM

What’s Algore got left on his countdown to Armageddon on Rush’s site? Three years?

John the Libertarian on July 18, 2012 at 4:54 PM

HEY! STOP THAT!

You must show some restraint since the GOP has selected Chris Christie to be the keynote speaker at the convention, and everyone kinows that Chris Christie supports gun control, amnesty, Obamacare and climate legislation.

Best be careful or the RomBots will be accusing you of being another 0bama supporter. /smug

DannoJyd on July 18, 2012 at 4:57 PM

Fortunately this disaster can be averted by donating half of America’s GDP to the U.N.

Bishop on July 18, 2012 at 4:59 PM

“By 2100, scientists and computer models estimate that sea levels globally could rise as much as 3.3 feet,” and this study predicts that the East Coast could see “8 to 11 inches more” than this,

Not.
Gonna.
Happen .
Hussein slowed the rise of the oceans .
The planet has healed…the skies have opened up and all that crap
:O

burrata on July 18, 2012 at 4:59 PM

Monkeytoe on July 18, 2012 at 4:52 PM

I was wondering the same thing. Seems to me I’ve read that the Atlantic and Pacific oceans are not at exactly the same level, somehow due to continental separation and other factors. But if the sea level of the US Atlantic coast rises, at the very least the sea level would rise the same amount on all coastlines all the way around the Atlantic.

dentarthurdent on July 18, 2012 at 5:00 PM

“By 2100, scientists and computer models estimate that sea levels globally could rise as much as 3.3 feet,” and this study predicts that the East Coast could see “8 to 11 inches more

So the water can rise in one place but not another?

rdbrewer on July 18, 2012 at 5:03 PM

Gee, where to start with this one….

Meh. Nowhere is a good place to start. I’m sick of arguing to complete corrupt idiots that have no idea what they’re talking about, and when they do have a clue they only use whatever data they have to skew the argument in their favor instead of correctly balancing facts and disregarding political fantasy to reach a logical conclusion. These morons purposely disregard the nuances attached to the collection and tabulation of every one of the data points and their meanings.

It’s easy to get the data you need to support your arguments for controlling the sheeple, all you have to do is fund a government agency to fabricate the data using faulty, inaccurate, and completely made up garbage. Easy pie.

Give me a few hundred million bucks and I’ll prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that within the next 10 years, because of shifts in ocean tide caused by George Bush, the moon will slam into the Earth. All we have to do to prevent it is create a corrupt communist government to control the people and harvest their cash using some f’ed up scheme like a gravitational credits globally. Then magically, when the masses are all enslaved we’ll declare the problem solved and live rich elitist lives.

That’ll show those evil freedom lovers.

Wolfmoon on July 18, 2012 at 5:04 PM

This thread needs Oakland’s and bayams appeals to authority, red herrings, and advocacy for global communism to salve the “problem”

tom daschle concerned on July 18, 2012 at 5:04 PM

But.. but… I haven’t seen this on the network news.

faraway on July 18, 2012 at 5:05 PM

well, let’s see, since the global cooling, mini ice age ended in 1980, that make sense that we’d be getting a little warmer. But you know, there are still heat records from 1933 we’re bumping up against, so that’s a 90 year period of real, accurate temp records. This is BS, is my point. You can’t start the conversation with graphs and such that start at 1980.

joeindc44 on July 18, 2012 at 5:06 PM

So the water can rise in one place but not another?

rdbrewer on July 18, 2012 at 5:03 PM

Actually yes, but then it also goes down. These things on a much smaller scale are called “waves”. Hilarious, eh?

Wolfmoon on July 18, 2012 at 5:07 PM

In the context of this study, the word “faster” refers to sea-level acceleration, not to sea-level rise.

Actually both refer to sea level rise. It’s just that faster refers to acceleration not velocity. Still it adds to the velocity, but it’s an order or more of insignificance greater, or they wouldn’t be focusing on the measure that has a much higher degree of fluctuation up and down rather than the velocity which is much more stable.

But what can you do when, during hurricane season, there aren’t any hurricanes? Maybe remark on other extreme climate changes like more and stronger tornadoes … wait, what?

Dusty on July 18, 2012 at 5:08 PM

Oh my God, the seas will rise so much that rivers will flow backwards into the Great Lakes and flood the entire country! Oh noes!

slickwillie2001 on July 18, 2012 at 5:09 PM

Only the Law of the Sea Treaty can control the oceans.
Those meddling Republican Senators!

tomg51 on July 18, 2012 at 5:09 PM

…but fat Al Gore’s new oceanside mansion on the coast of California will be just fine.

slickwillie2001 on July 18, 2012 at 5:10 PM

You wing dings should worry instead of making light of the coming eco disaster. Imagine if the glaciers which cover most of the Earth were to recede and leave behind rich arable land on which to live, farm and procreate; my Gawd….the horror.

Bishop on July 18, 2012 at 5:11 PM

dentarthurdent on July 18, 2012 at 4:54 PM

George Carlin on The Environment (HQ)

:)

Seven Percent Solution on July 18, 2012 at 5:12 PM

@Monkeytoe on July 18, 2012 at 4:52 PM

Sea-level is not the same due to the not exactly spherical shape of the globe. Additionally, the rotation tends to cause the water to be higher at the equator than the poles.

There are also variations due to gravity and the different mineral composition of the sea-floor crust as opposed to the continental crust.

There are also other factors that affect it locally, including weather, currents, temperature and salinity.

I think man-made global warming is utter b.s. and those who believe in it should study the story of Ozymandius.

NancyWhisky on July 18, 2012 at 5:13 PM

Fortunately this disaster can be averted by donating half of America’s GDP to the U.N.

Bishop on July 18, 2012 at 4:59 PM

Do we get a refund if it doesn’t happen or do they pay us if it is really global cooling.

Such idiots !!

KenInIL on July 18, 2012 at 5:14 PM

Wolf, thanks for the laugh. Sorry you weren’t able to fit the OWS crowd into your post.

Incredulous1 on July 18, 2012 at 5:14 PM

OT but nice mention for HA via Twitter/Taranto:

http://online.wsj.com/article/best_of_the_web_today.html

“If you’ve got a business, you didn’t build that.” If the World’s Greatest Orator turns out to be a one-term president, it is likely to go down as the most memorable utterance of his career. Mitt Romney certainly hopes that happens. HotAir.com’s Ed Morrissey has highlights of Mitt Romney’s response, in a speech yesterday at Irwin, Pa.”

FLconservative on July 18, 2012 at 5:15 PM

The official press release for the East Coast study states that “rates of sea level rise are increasing three-to-four times faster along portions of the U.S. Atlantic Coast than globally.”

Sea level rise relative to what? Apart from the influence of storms and tides (due to the gravitational pull of the Sun and moon), all the continguous seas will tend to seek a constant level (by gravity) at a constant distance from the center of the earth. If part of the polar icecaps (on Antarctica and Greenland) melt, this level would increase by a constant amount worldwide.

If sea levels are rising faster along the east coast of the United States than “globally”, this probably means that land along the U.S. Atlantic coast is subsiding, while land might be pushed upward elsewhere on the globe, due to the geological forces called isostasis. Subsidence of the U.S. Atlantic coast (or any other land mass) has nothing to do with atmospheric warming or CO2 buildup, but entirely depends on plate tectonics and geological forces under the earth.

Satellite measurements of “average” global sea levels (relative to the center of the earth) show sea levels rising at a rate of less than 2 millimeters per year, and the rate is slowing. At that rate, sea levels would rise less than 8 inches by the end of the century, and the 20-foot sea-level rise depicted in Al Gore’s “An Inconvenient Truth” wouldn’t occur until the year AD 5000.

Ya think mankind would have time to build a few seawalls by then?

Steve Z on July 18, 2012 at 5:16 PM

One study…was published in the journal Nature Climate Change and shows a “recent acceleration” of sea-level rise

Now this can’t be true, since we all remember the Won’s inaugruation was the point when the rising of the sea levels would begin to slow, or something. Clearly this is a racist report!

Shay on July 18, 2012 at 5:16 PM

Best be careful or the RomBots will be accusing you of being another 0bama supporter. /smug

DannoJyd on July 18, 2012 at 4:57 PM

Noted Moby worries that people might be catching on to him… In other breaking news, water is still reputed to be wet.

SWalker on July 18, 2012 at 5:16 PM

SWalker on July 18, 2012 at 5:16 PM

Every topic, every single one.

“Let me tell you how much Mitt Romney sucks and you will agree with me or you are a deluded Mittwit…”

Bishop on July 18, 2012 at 5:18 PM

But Dustin, on NPR today the reporter claimed it an “absolute certainty” that America’s drought stricken areas are the effect of “proven scientific theories”. The reporter did name one, but boy was that ever convincing.

Limerick on July 18, 2012 at 5:19 PM

It was named AGW. That should be enough proof right there. Nothing better proves the point like those three letters smashed together.

Limerick on July 18, 2012 at 5:20 PM

SWalker on July 18, 2012 at 5:16 PM

Every topic, every single one.

“Let me tell you how much Mitt Romney sucks and you will agree with me or you are a deluded Mittwit…”

Bishop on July 18, 2012 at 5:18 PM

Yup, I very distinctly noticed that.

SWalker on July 18, 2012 at 5:20 PM

Let’s see 5 feet this century is the expected rise. Ok 60 inches per 100 years. So by 2020 we should see a 60 x .08 inch rise. That is, 4.8 inches in 8 years or half a foot in 10 years. Now, where is the water coming from? Ah I have it, the polar ice caps? Not gonna happen. Do the math further. These algorists are getting very whacky and extreme. Time to panic.

jake49 on July 18, 2012 at 5:21 PM

I will buy into it the moment scientists make predictions and they are correct. You know it’s that old Scientific Method that us science hating conservatives won’t let go.

jeffn21 on July 18, 2012 at 5:26 PM

jake49 on July 18, 2012 at 5:21 PM

The water main broke on our street the other day. It was a helluva lot more than .08 rise. Spent the afternoon with a hose stuck in the stream watering my property.

Limerick on July 18, 2012 at 5:27 PM

Yup, I very distinctly noticed that.

SWalker on July 18, 2012 at 5:20 PM

He’s not who he claims to be.

John the Libertarian on July 18, 2012 at 5:28 PM

Poor Al, does this mean he will have to sell his beach front estate in California?

DDay on July 18, 2012 at 5:29 PM

Bishop has the only certified secure bunker on HA. And I have reservations.

Limerick on July 18, 2012 at 5:30 PM

There are also variations due to gravity and the different mineral composition of the sea-floor crust as opposed to the continental crust.
NancyWhisky on July 18, 2012 at 5:13 PM

I’m a thin crust guy myself, but sometimes when I’m hungry stuffed crust is really good too.

Marcola on July 18, 2012 at 5:30 PM

Sure, they got this nailed. That’s why weather channel has a big yellow parallelogram on the classic maps, stretched from IN, IL, WI to IA, MN marking a severe thunderstorm watch, in which area they can’t predict exactly where or exactly when a storm will pop up. So yeah, I soooooo believe the experts can positively tell what’s going on with global warming and the sea levels–and why.

stukinIL4now on July 18, 2012 at 5:30 PM

Poor Al, does this mean he will have to sell his beach front estate in California?

DDay on July 18, 2012 at 5:29 PM

He will just move to his winter home, which is in the middle of the Earth’s core where temperatures go all the way upto a few million degrees
:O

burrata on July 18, 2012 at 5:38 PM

I was wondering the same thing. Seems to me I’ve read that the Atlantic and Pacific oceans are not at exactly the same level, somehow due to continental separation and other factors. But if the sea level of the US Atlantic coast rises, at the very least the sea level would rise the same amount on all coastlines all the way around the Atlantic.

dentarthurdent on July 18, 2012 at 5:00 PM

Um, I think if you sail east on the ATlantic go around the horn of Africa, around thru the Indian Ocean, lo and behold! You’re in the Pacific. If you drop a bucket of water in the Atlantic, sooner or later that little bitty gallon of water spreads out all over the Earth. Now you do have waves that scoot around hither and yon, tidal waves even, but it would all even out, unless, the east coast of the US is somehow sinking. That would be fine with me, actually. Maybe we could arrange it for California, also.

Qzsusy on July 18, 2012 at 5:41 PM

He will just move to his winter home, which is in the middle of the Earth’s core where temperatures go all the way upto a few million degrees
:O

burrata on July 18, 2012 at 5:38 PM

Tio Diablo will be waiting for him.

DDay on July 18, 2012 at 5:48 PM

“sea levels from Cape Hatteras to Cape Cod are rising at a faster pace than anywhere on Earth.”

Are sea levels rising or land levels falling? Surely, it’s the latter: all those imports from China making the United States heavier and heavier that’s causing it. Americans are accumulating too much stuff, the earth can’t bear it any more.

A. C. on July 18, 2012 at 5:53 PM

Best be careful or the RomBots will be accusing you of being another 0bama supporter. /smug

DannoJyd on July 18, 2012 at 4:57 PM

…what kind of Prophylactics do you use?

KOOLAID2 on July 18, 2012 at 5:55 PM

Republicans should say we’ll take a look at the possible dangers of Climate Change, right after Democrats work with them to solve the US debt crisis which will ruin the country long before higher tides engulf the coast.

waelse1 on July 18, 2012 at 5:57 PM

The Warmists Have Lost Their Iwa Jima
It seems clear that the truth-challenged warmists and their leftist allies have been ideologically motivated, and their theory is rubbish. But what is it going to take, in a public opinion sense, for their whole house of cards to fall? I think the warmists have lost a major foothold, and that is conservatives. And I’m thinking that this foothold loss could be compared to Japan losing Iwa Jima in WWII, as that became the stepping stone to bomb Japan relentlessly.
And now in fact conservatives are indeed flying, with impunity, some sorties into the warmist realms. But the real potential of this foothold (conservatives [our Iwa Jima]) that we have now is that it will soon provide the ‘safe territory’ to launch a relentless battering of the warmists. It is because conservatives are now hyped by the AGW issue, and they will in fact donate tons of money to any anti-warmist advertising & PR campaign that they see as effective.
A good campaign, as it ran ads, would be self-supporting, as conservatives would donate in droves. So all the developers of the campaign would need to do is establish an effective creative foundation, and raise a minimal seed level amount of $, then, upon campaign execution, huge amounts of money would flow in, and the campaign could expand perhaps to saturation levels. Then, as far as public opinion, it’s bye bye warmists! Game over.

anotherJoe on July 18, 2012 at 6:08 PM

Hey, DannyJ is back!

Last I heard he and Buoyant Bowels/Sinking Stone (or whatever his name is) where holed up in a cheap motel room, exchanging Gary Johnson (who?) photos and having a “hit the ceiling” contest…

Who won, DJ?

brushman on July 18, 2012 at 6:24 PM

If New York, Los Angles and San Francisco were under water; what is the down side?

GarandFan on July 18, 2012 at 6:36 PM

If New York, Los Angles and San Francisco were under water; what is the down side?

GarandFan on July 18, 2012 at 6:36 PM

Good point.

Shay on July 18, 2012 at 6:40 PM

Limerick
Don’t be so sure about bishop and the bunker, there are more of us, and he has lots of union buddy’s. You better try to make friends with others with bunkers, he might not have room………

angrymike on July 18, 2012 at 6:48 PM

There are already more than 1,000 peer-reviewed studies that expose the lies of the man-made Global Warming racket.
http://www.populartechnology.net/2009/10/peer-reviewed-papers-supporting.html

Having one more is good, but but this global fraud will never go away until the public funding is cut off.

Axion on July 18, 2012 at 6:51 PM

The official press release for the East Coast study states that “rates of sea level rise are increasing three-to-four times faster along portions of the U.S. Atlantic Coast than globally.”

So the UNQUESTIONABLE UNASSAILABLE SCIENCE is that water flows uphill? And you’ve got a consensus on that? Good for you…

It’s like when you our a bowl of water for your cat, and there’s this pillar of water standing up out of the bowl on one side of it for no reason.

Oh, that doesn’t happen to you? I knew I should talk to my doctor about my medications.

gekkobear on July 18, 2012 at 6:52 PM

Why can’t AGW ‘scientists’ accept the fact that parts of the East Coast are sinking? How else can one explain the ‘rise’ in sea levels in different parts of the coast?

BigAlSouth on July 18, 2012 at 7:09 PM

Dustin, always thought that was a cool photo of the city underwater. Wouldn’t it work better for a mortgage thread?

Bmore on July 18, 2012 at 7:19 PM

Odd that MSM didn’t pick up on this tree ring study.

http://www.treehugger.com/climate-change/tree-ring-study-heats-up-battle-climate-change-skeptics-against-scientists.html

angrycodgr on July 18, 2012 at 7:39 PM

These global people are on the same train as the chemtrails people. They haven’t figured it out yet that planes fly at different altitudes that fly from west to east and east to west and the same logic for north and south. They would be running into each other if they didn’t. Many fly at contrail level and the keepers of the truth think they are spraying poison seven miles up in the atmosphere. Get a bucket of ice and add water up to the full level, let the ice melt, water level will be the same. The ice displaces its volume in water so when it melts the volume does not change. Do they teach general science in schools like they did at one time?

mixplix on July 18, 2012 at 7:41 PM

The administration should stop the funny green energy nonsense and go to their Plan B.

To wit: A solution to global warming might be just as simple as allowing Iran to get the bomb.

From Wiki:

Nuclear winter (also known as atomic winter) is a hypothetical climatic effect of nuclear war. It is theorized that detonating large numbers of nuclear weapons has a profound and severe effect on the climate causing cold weather and reduced sunlight for a period of months or even years, especially over flammable targets such as cities, where large amounts of smoke and soot would be ejected into the Earth’s stratosphere.

Or we could have a lottery of GPS coordinates to deliver a few of our own.

I am sorry for the irrational post at 2 AM. I am so bad you may not have noticed but I will be more careful.

IlikedAUH2O on July 18, 2012 at 7:52 PM

The emissions of CO2 from the US have gone down in recent years. So maybe the warmists can stop blaming us, but I won’t hold my breath (and thus my own CO2 production) waiting for that to happen.

Bigfoot on July 18, 2012 at 8:24 PM

Oakland come on buddy you know you want to….

CW on July 18, 2012 at 8:28 PM

I guess these guys didn’t get the memo.

Oldnuke on July 18, 2012 at 8:31 PM

Oakland come on buddy you know you want to….

CW on July 18, 2012 at 8:28 PM

Yep, we have a few here that seem to be one-issue posters. Odd.

slickwillie2001 on July 18, 2012 at 8:33 PM

Not again!

“It is now pretty clearly agreed that the C02 content will rise 25% by 2000. This could increase the average temperature near the earth’ s surface by 7 degrees Fahrenheit. This in turn could raise the level of the sea by 10 feet. Goodbye New York.
Goodbye Washington, for that matter. We have no data on Seattle.”

Memo from Daniel P. Moynihan

September 17, 1969

http://nixonlibrary.gov/virtuallibrary/documents/jul10/56.pdf

Wander on July 18, 2012 at 8:47 PM

I’d happily pay 1% more in taxes if the AGW hysterical-istas would shut up and go away.

Consider it a STFU tax.

Come back in 50 years with more data.

Then we’ll talk.

profitsbeard on July 18, 2012 at 9:29 PM

Not to mention, the land may be de-elevating; giving ‘rise’ to the appearance of a sea level increase.

John Kettlewell on July 18, 2012 at 10:10 PM

“By 2100, scientists and computer models estimate that sea levels globally could rise as much as 3.3 feet,” and this study predicts that the East Coast could see “8 to 11 inches more”

So the water can rise in one place but not another?

rdbrewer on July 18, 2012 at 5:03 PM

Yeah rdbrewer,

The next-ed time you fill your bathtub, try to fill the northern most portion of the tub with an additional 2 inches! Brain-dead liberals! This gives a whole new meaning to the phrase “colloid Suspension”.

jjnco73 on July 18, 2012 at 10:28 PM

Taxes won’t stop the climate from changing.

MT on July 19, 2012 at 9:24 AM

One simply cannot let trillions of dollars and near-absolute political power just slip away. …

stillings on July 19, 2012 at 10:43 AM

What next???

Are we to be taxed in order to prevent anal probing by aliens???

Oh, wait: we’re already paying for the TSA….

landlines on July 19, 2012 at 10:53 AM

Um, I think if you sail east on the ATlantic go around the horn of Africa, around thru the Indian Ocean, lo and behold! You’re in the Pacific. If you drop a bucket of water in the Atlantic, sooner or later that little bitty gallon of water spreads out all over the Earth. Now you do have waves that scoot around hither and yon, tidal waves even, but it would all even out, unless, the east coast of the US is somehow sinking. That would be fine with me, actually. Maybe we could arrange it for California, also.

Qzsusy on July 18, 2012 at 5:41 PM

Ya – I get all that (I grew up on the coast of Maine for one thing).
My comment was regarding a piece of data I recall seeing some time ago – basically a ship going through the Panama Canal gains or loses (depending on which direction they go) something like 6 or 8 feet in net elevation – which means one ocean (between Pacific and Atlantic) is actually higher than the other – at least at their Central American coastlines. And supposedly that is the reason the seas / waves are so rough around the southern point of South America – similar to the effects you get as the tides change.

BTW – I think earthquakes will take care of California – I’m looking into beachfront property in Nevada… ;)

dentarthurdent on July 19, 2012 at 1:02 PM

Taxes won’t stop the climate from changing.

MT on July 19, 2012 at 9:24 AM

Unless you’re one of the algorian AGW faithful….

dentarthurdent on July 19, 2012 at 1:03 PM

Qzsusy on July 18, 2012 at 5:41 PM

dentarthurdent on July 19, 2012 at 1:02 PM

Here’s one discussion of what I’m talking about. So apparently – no – the seas are not all at the same level.

http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20060822120737AAtwlJC

dentarthurdent on July 19, 2012 at 1:11 PM

Today’s reporters look for drama to increase readership and drama requires three players: A Victim, a Rescuer, and a Perpetrator. The facts are not important, the play is the thing.

Trey

TMink on July 19, 2012 at 2:22 PM

…computer models estimate that…

That statement is all you need to know that these “studies” are complete bullshit. Running models is not science and it is not an experiment and it doesn’t prove anything, except in this case, that the models don’t work. Until these pseudo-scientists show incontrovertible empirical evidence of drastic sea level rise, they are just blowing smoke.

woodNfish on July 19, 2012 at 3:33 PM