Marist poll: Obama 48, Romney 46

posted at 11:21 am on July 17, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

Today’s Word of the Day? Stasis:

In the battle for the White House, President Barack Obama and Mitt Romney are locked in a close contest nationally. According to this McClatchy-Marist Poll, 48% of U.S. registered voters including those who are undecided yet leaning toward a candidate support President Obama compared with 46% for Romney. Less than one percent backs another candidate, and 6% are undecided.

“The race was close yesterday, it’s close today, and may even be close on Election Day,” says Dr. Lee M. Miringoff, Director of The Marist College Institute for Public Opinion. “You need to look no farther than the president’s approval rating to see how divided the electorate is.”

On the whole, this is not good news for Barack Obama.  The previous Marist/McClatchy national poll was in March — and that also showed a two-point lead for Obama over Romney, 46/44.  Since that time, Marist has focused on swing-state polling — which also showed dead heats in June.  Obama and his allies have flooded the media zone with hard-hitting ads, and the best that one can say about their effect is that Obama isn’t losing ground.  Romney has yet to unleash a big attack on the airwaves, but those days will come soon, especially with the way Romney is raising funds.

This is the same survey from Saturday’s release on the tax cut issue, so the same sample issues apply.  The skew is D+7 with a D/R/I of 36/29/34 among registered voters, which means this leans a little toward Obama.  That can be seen in the breakout of independents, which favor Romney by four, 48/44.  In 2008, when the electorate really did have a D+7 skew, Obama won by seven points and carried independents by eight.  Losing independents would mean that Obama would have to get a base turnout that exceeded the 2008 model, which seems extremely unlikely.

This race is not moving at all in any direction at the moment.  The stasis helps the challenger in providing time to gather his financial strength.  The attacks on character don’t seem to be having any real impact at all on the polling, which means that the election will almost certainly be decided on policy and as a referendum on the incumbent — and that’s definitely bad news for Obama.


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I have only what is circulating in the news by way of the social filter of the aggregrators. But I love the game where whatever source I produce excites a chorus of noisy howler monkeys into shrieks and gibbers about its bias or whatever.

casuist on July 17, 2012 at 1:23 PM

Maybe if you could produce some non-blog cites, we would all stop laughing at you.

Now, how about a piece from the NY Times or USA Today in 2008, telling us how Romney gave McCain 23 years’ worth of tax returns?

Let us know when you find them.

Del Dolemonte on July 17, 2012 at 1:38 PM

Yet he released 23 years of returns to the 2008 McCain campaign.

casuist on July 17, 2012 at 1:24 PM

So you claim. Please prove it.

Del Dolemonte on July 17, 2012 at 1:39 PM

But you would think that someone would be hotly denying that Romney ever turned tax records over to the McCain campaign since a lot of sources are reporting precisely that.

casuist on July 17, 2012 at 1:30 PM

So far, all we’ve seen is that “a lot of sources” are not “reporting” anything. All they are doing is repeating the exact same Democrat Party talking point. And hope that gullibles like yourself will accept it as Fact.

In your case, they have succeeded.

Mission Accomplished

Del Dolemonte on July 17, 2012 at 1:42 PM

Unfortunately, it is the practice of a candidate to release medical, education and voting records . . . which BO has never done. What is he hiding?

Voter from WA State on July 17, 2012 at 1:38 PM

Bill Clinton steadfastly refused to release his medical history back in 1992. Still does.

Del Dolemonte on July 17, 2012 at 1:47 PM

PappyD61 on July 17, 2012 at 1:22 PM

I think that would not be a bad idea. We know he is being vetted.

However, I do know that some people think that both candidates should be governors since the nation is in such a mess that it will require people with administrative experience to get us out of it. The mess that BO is leaving is going to take years, maybe decades, to heal.

Voter from WA State on July 17, 2012 at 1:25 PM

****Ryan offers:

Midwest swing state

Young

Articulate

Working class presentation

Bridge to the Congress where things would have to get done

Would destroy Biden in the debate

Great attack dog

He’s already been Palinized

Catholic

The South would really cotton to him

PappyD61 on July 17, 2012 at 1:47 PM

OT but I love it!!! Sorry if it was already mentioned. But I love it!!

OCALA – The Internet cafe patron who shot and injured two men as they tried to rob the business will likely not face any criminal charges.

“Based on what I have seen and what I know at this time, I don’t anticipate filing any charges,” said Bill Gladson of the State Attorney’s Office for 5th Judicial Circuit.

Gladson said he has reviewed the security surveillance video from the cafe. While he still awaits final reports from the Marion County Sheriff’s Office, he said the shooting appeared justified.

Samuel Williams, 71, who fired the shots, has a concealed weapons permit, according to the Sheriff’s Office. Under Florida law, a person is allowed to use deadly force if he or she fears death or serious injury to themselves or others. As long as the person isn’t committing a crime and is in a place where he or she has a right to be, they are considered to be acting within the law.
http://www.gainesville.com/article/20120716/ARTICLES/120719707/1109/sports?p=1&tc=pg

I especially liked the part where the wannbe robbers tripped over each other to escape Williams. LOL
Okay, sorry for the interruption.

Deanna on July 17, 2012 at 1:49 PM

heard someone on Fox yesterday (can’t remember his name, but he works in GOP campaigns) saying that Gov. Romney’s campaign will not spend a lot of money fighting BO right now. They will be spending a boatload of money starting some time in August. Basically, he intimated that they are going to have plenty to hit BO with when they start.

I have a feeling this is going to be a very interesting fall.

Voter from WA State on July 17, 2012 at 12:17 PM

Watch for the Friday document dump, aka the required monthly presidential campaign filings with the FEC, due on July 20th.

There’s a lot of evidence already out there that these reports will show how the Obama campaign is going off the rails financially– spending too much to no effect, and now raising less than Romney– while Romney is surging into the campaign cash lead.

Romney’s already leaked that he had $160 million cash on hand at the end of June. The Obama campaign, for the first time in its history, is leaking nothing. About its numbers, anyway.

Romney has stayed in the race this spring and summer mainly because of super-pac spending, not via his own campaign spending. But the Romney Death Star is moving into place for August/September for a barrage of anti-Obama ads right up to election day, while the Obama campaign may well implode like a not-that-super nova from lack of money. (Not that he can’t borrow and deficit finance his campaign like he does the country.) But nothing the Obama campaign has tried gets him above a statistical tie with Romney in the polls. And he’s trying everything, way too soon, before the average voter is paying much attention. When Romney starts spending, they’ll be ready to listen.

de rigueur on July 17, 2012 at 1:49 PM

Marist poll: Obama 48, Romney 46

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mapper on July 17, 2012 at 1:50 PM

There is no link to a news story. It was tweeted or mentioned by axelrod or the muppet face (burton) during a con call.

kevinkristy on July 17, 2012 at 1:38 PM

Axelturd first floated this meme on Sunday Morning when he told it to the Democrat Activist who pretends to host ABC This Week. David Brinkley is spinning in his grave.

It was then cut and pasted to Chairwoman Debbie, and also to O’bama’s campaign manager, Kenny Loggins.

And the low information IQ Democrat base is lapping it up. The proof is right here on this thread.

Del Dolemonte on July 17, 2012 at 1:51 PM

Generally if you’re title on a corporate correspondence is CEO of X then you’re probably the CEO of X, no? Did Romney also call himself the King of Spain?

The name-calling is a nice touch. Does it work for you much?

casuist on July 17, 2012 at 1:08 PM

Nice how you completely ignored the fact that he was CEO of Bain VI & the great analogy I gave you to 401(k)s, huh? He did have authority over his ownership share of Bain Capital — Bain VI in the exact same way you have ownership authority over your 401(k).

And name calling? Pfft. You’re a moron –that’s a statement of fact that you proved by willfully ignoring the distinction between Bain Capital & Bain VI in your response to me so you cling to your Obama talking points fantasy.

I don’t think he/she has the ability to understand. It is the circular logic that drives people up the wall.

Voter from WA State on July 17, 2012 at 1:08 PM

You hit the nail on the head, Voter, as his response proved.

There is no obligation to turn over any tax returns and it has been held in a long ling of cases that no one is obligated to pay more taxes then the tax code demands.
My favorite quote (which I’ve posted often) from the esteemed Judge Learned Hand:

Anyone may arrange his affairs so that his taxes shall be as low as possible; he is not bound to choose that pattern which best pays the treasury. There is not even a patriotic duty to increase one’s taxes.
Over and over again the Courts have said that there is nothing sinister
in so arranging affairs as to keep taxes as low as possible Everyone does it, rich and poor alike and all do right, for nobody owes any public duty to pay more than the law demands.

Gregory v. Helvering 69 F.2d 809, 810 (2d Cir. 1934), aff’d, 293 U.S. 465, 55 S.Ct. 266, 79 L.Ed. 596 (1935)

But of course that makes no difference to the brain dead left who seem to think that Bain & Romney’s tax returns for the last 20 years is what gave us 42 months of 8%+ unemployment. And I bet those same idiots screaming about “loopholes” take their mortgage interest deductions (if they even pay income tax).

Dark Star on July 17, 2012 at 1:51 PM

Romney’s Team of inept losers stink! Dump them now.

Many of these losers were part of the failed Orange Charlie Crist campaign and former dinosaur Bush-wackers.

This is a recipe for disaster. These guys are yesterdays news.

You useful idiots here call Palin stupid but she gave Etch-a-sketch good advice.

A perfect example is the 2010 election won by Allen West in former Fl-22. The district is 1/3 Democrat, Republican, and Independent. This not the backwoods! There are plenty of young professionals that reside here.

The GOP did not support West in 2010. Both Pelosi and Obama had a target on his back and campaigned in the district several times for his opponent. MSLSD, the New York Slimes, and the left wing media all targeted him. West was underfunded because Soros was dumping money into his opponent’s campaign and he won against all odds any way.

You can’t argue with success.

Etch-a-sketch has one choice. Make a severe right hand turn or lose to the Chicago thug machine.

The GOPe doesn’t want to win. They have an agenda and that is to kill the Tea Party. It is unconscionable that the GOPe rather have a Marxist win and kill the fighting spirit of freedom loving Americans.

Jayrae on July 17, 2012 at 1:52 PM

Herein lies the crux of it all – Stephen Covey was one of the biggest charlatans in the world.

May he never rest.

Schadenfreude on July 17, 2012 at 1:53 PM

Jayrae on July 17, 2012 at 1:52 PM

Consider less caffeine.

Chuck Schick on July 17, 2012 at 1:54 PM

How is this possible? How is this possible? How is this possible?

mapper on July 17, 2012 at 1:50 PM

Simple. It’s a skewed-sample poll of registered voters.

dczombie on July 17, 2012 at 1:54 PM

Does anyone know of any respected poll that has asked these
questions.

If Mitt Romney does not release more tax returns will you vote for him yes or no.

gerrym51 on July 17, 2012 at 1:55 PM

mapper on July 17, 2012 at 1:50 PM

are you asking if it’s too close,oe why is Romney not leading by more or why is Obama leading by as much as he is.

I don’t know what your asking/

gerrym51 on July 17, 2012 at 1:58 PM

Schadenfreude on July 17, 2012 at 1:53 PM

That was a stupid link to a snide article that in no way proved Stephen Covey to be a charlatan. He may or may not have been, but you wouldn’t know one way or the other from having read your link. I regret having clicked it.

dczombie on July 17, 2012 at 2:00 PM

Like it reaaly matters, who’s leading who:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nvFv8R_w3M

realitycheck on July 17, 2012 at 2:04 PM

One more thing about Romney’s tax returns — his 2010 return is 207 pages — that is how much he over-documents –and it shows that because of the way the tax code is structured, he is paying taxes on an extra $1 million in “phantom income” (i.e., money he doesn’t actually have). Funny how the MSM isn’t reporting that, huh? I know if I had to pay taxes on money I didn’t actually have I’d be screaming holy h#ll.

So, got that: In 2010 he paid almost $6 million in taxes, gave almost $6 million to charity (which, granted, help to reduce his tax rate) and paid taxes on $1 million “phantom” money that he doesn’t actually have.

There was a good write up about it on taxpolitics (I’ve linked it in the past), but strangely enough that article has been taken down. Hmmm.

Dark Star on July 17, 2012 at 2:04 PM

Yeah, pretty much. It’s any port in a storm for Romney, and it’s raining anvils on the hapless former single-term governor who gave us RomneyCare and the small clique of Boston hacks who run his failing but well financed campaign. casuist on July 17, 2012 at 12:15 PM

Obama is “ahead” by 2 in a poll that oversamples Dems by at least 7. Life must be hard when you can’t do simple math.

Basilsbest on July 17, 2012 at 2:05 PM

Now, the general election campaign is here, and the talk is of the Obama killing machine, not the Romney death star. By most accounts, the Romney campaign is not displaying the super-aggressive effectiveness it showed in the primaries. Why? Here are five factors:

1) The facts. Romney’s business history and taxes are two issues left unresolved from the primary campaign. During the primaries, Republicans didn’t want to hear fellow Republicans criticizing Romney’s record at Bain Capital. Some characterized attacks on Romney’s Bain history as attacks on capitalism itself. Democrats and many independents don’t feel the same way, and Obama and his SuperPAC allies are relentlessly slamming Romney’s business history both nationally and in key states around the country. Likewise, while most Republicans were satisfied with Romney’s release of one year’s tax returns, and promise to release one more, that minimalist offering has met less success in the general election fight.

2) The media. In the primary race, a lot of Romney’s attacks on his GOP rivals were highlighted by the Drudge Report and picked up and commented upon by liberal-leaning media that were happy to focus on divisions inside the Republican party. Now that the race is Republican vs. Democrat, there’s a different dynamic at work. Except on days when terrible economic news is released, Obama has been remarkably successful at getting much of the media to talk about what he wants them to talk about — namely, Romney’s flaws and not the Obama economic record. Whether Romney can change that dynamic remains to be seen. Right now, it’s hurting the Republican badly.

3) The SuperPACs. In recent days, Romney’s aides have dropped hints that they believe pro-Obama outside groups — SuperPACs — have done a much more effective job against Romney than pro-Romney SuperPACs have done against Obama. Some Democrats agree. “The real surprising thing of the campaign is the Democratic Super PACs have been more influential thus far, Priorities USA, American Bridge,” said Democratic strategist James Carville on ABC last Sunday. “They have driven the debate in this campaign much more than — than the Republican Super PACs…As of July 15th, it’s the Democratic Super PACs that have basically driven this whole Bain, tax return, whatever it is.” Romney officials don’t complain for the record, but they don’t believe the GOP SuperPACs have been nearly as tough as they should have been. But given Federal Election Commission rules against coordination between a campaign and its supporting SuperPACs, they can’t just come out and say what it is they want.

4) Campaign finance laws. Romney officials believe this is the most under-reported aspect of the ad war so far. Until the Republican National Convention, which begins August 27, Romney is forbidden from spending the money he has raised for the general election. Instead, he is using money left over from the GOP primary race. Of course, Romney spent a huge amount of money — about $85 million — to win that primary race. Even though he has been raising vast amounts for the general election, he doesn’t have gobs of cash to use right now. Obama, on the other hand, didn’t have to spend any money winning a Democratic primary. The result is that Obama is hugely out-spending Romney in key states. A recent Washington Post report said Obama has outspent Romney in Florida $17 million to $2 million, as of July 6. The numbers in Ohio were $22 million to $6.5 million, and in Virginia, they were $11 million to $3 million. That is a huge, huge advantage for Obama — not unlike the advantage Romney enjoyed over his Republican rivals during the primary season.

5) Romney’s complaining. Newt Gingrich complained loudly — some called it whining — when Romney first hit him with a negative ad barrage in Iowa. Then, when Romney attacked on a far bigger scale in Florida, Gingrich reacted badly again. Privately, the Romney campaign, which at times seemed to delight at kicking the hell out of a Republican opponent, had no respect for Gingrich’s tendency to complain when attacked. Just take it and hit back harder — that was the way they saw it. Now, however, Romney is complaining about Obama’s attacks. Romney is far more self-controlled than Gingrich, but the effect is the same; he’s whining about the other guy treating him badly. It’s the same thing that happened in the primary campaign, only with Romney on the hurting end.

So at least at the moment, the vaunted Romney death star, the machine that flattened his Republican opponents, just isn’t working. Romney is trying to get traction — this week, he’s focusing on Obama’s crony capitalism — but he is struggling. To fix things, he’ll have to put out more facts about his own record, plus capitalize on more bad economic news for Obama (that’s a sure bet at this point), plus gain access to the money he’s raised for the general election, plus find a way to sharpen the SuperPACs’ games. And then he’ll have to regain the back-against-the-wall fighting spirit he had in the Florida primary. If he doesn’t, the Obama campaign will run over him.

Byron York in the Washington Examiner.

Wethal on July 17, 2012 at 2:11 PM

Gregory v. Helvering 69 F.2d 809, 810 (2d Cir. 1934), aff’d, 293 U.S. 465, 55 S.Ct. 266, 79 L.Ed. 596 (1935)

But of course that makes no difference to the brain dead left who seem to think that Bain & Romney’s tax returns for the last 20 years is what gave us 42 months of 8%+ unemployment. And I bet those same idiots screaming about “loopholes” take their mortgage interest deductions (if they even pay income tax).

Dark Star on July 17, 2012 at 1:51 PM

Don’t confuse the Leftist Drone with Facts. They are not programmed to respond in that area.

Del Dolemonte on July 17, 2012 at 2:14 PM

Starting after the convention – give me a break!

These wizards of smart weren’t aware of this fact?

Why are you willing to accept gross incompetence?

These morons get paid plenty of good money for losing.

Aren’t you fed up with losing? Do you really want to lose to a Chicago thug?

Are you in it to win it or not?

Team Romney stinks. They have emerged stumbling out of the starting gate and are in danger of being left at the post.

We shouldn’t even be focused on Romney, or Bain, or his tax returns. It should be all about Obama all the time.

This election is supposed to be all about dumping Obama. It should be unrelentless, unmerciful attack mode.

Go ahead and back your loser. He will have no kick left when he needs it in the home stretch.

Jayrae on July 17, 2012 at 2:19 PM

anytime I see JugEars getting above 20 percentile in any poll no matter the analysis…I get depressed!

KOOLAID2 on July 17, 2012 at 11:40 AM

It is not going to happen, it will never happen… No President running for re-election is going to get less than 45% of the vote even if he is the Devil and of course if there is no strong third party candidate running. Many on our side seem to be extremely ignorant of the electorate and they delude themselves that there is a possibility that a democrat running for President is going to get some crazy low support, it is not going to happen. So stop frustrating yourselves like fools and wake up to the real world.

mnjg on July 17, 2012 at 2:21 PM

I’m an antique dealer so I’m not so good with math but I don’t see how Obama can be 20% or more ahead in 22% of the country (MA CA IL NY) and still be ahead in so many other battleground states. If I put these kinda numbers to my wife on something (new tractor) I would get the biz end of the frying pan!

rik on July 17, 2012 at 2:25 PM

Sununu is on fire with Mitt in W.Pa. Can’t wait to hear more of his rant.

Philly on July 17, 2012 at 2:27 PM

More people will vote for Romney than voted for McCain. How does anyone spin that as an Obama win?

Only Obama leads Romney in every demographic category except white working class voters. Obama’s Summer of Love operation targets precisely this category by emphasizing Romney’s elitism and links to the same financial services industry that so many white working class voters rue for its plundering of our industrial base. This is why you have a panicked Romney making himself look ridiculous on every network trying to claim he had nothing to do with Bain post-1999 though he still carried the title of CEO on all the documents or something blah blah blah. It’s an odd line of attack from the Obamas until you think about how this plays out in the perceptions of white working class voters, and Obama only needs to peel off so many of them to cinch the election.

Oh, and the Summer of Love operation is working: http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/238283-bain-ads-hit-home-in-swing-states

casuist on July 17, 2012 at 11:58 AM

Speaking as typical low IQ liberal… Obama is leading in every demographics except “working white class”? Obama is doing worse among overall whites than he did in 2008 and he is scoring 37% to 38% support among whites… He is not going to win elections with only 38% white voters support. Obama is losing independents in almost every poll and he who loses the independents loses the elections. The same stupid poll that the Hill has cited in the article, “Purple Strategy”, shows that in the Battleground States Obama and Romney are within the margin of error i.e. tied, and that is with oversampling democrats more than there actual numbers in the electorate and using the registered voters/adults which always favor democrats. So in summary your welfare queens agitator communist spent over 100 million dollars on lying about Romney and Bain and got nothing. We encourage the welfare queens agitator to keep wasting his money on the Bain lies. In fact only a desperate and losing campaign would lie and call their opponent “felon”….

Now go and f*** yourself.

mnjg on July 17, 2012 at 2:36 PM

Marist poll: Obama 48, Romney 46

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mapper on July 17, 2012 at 1:50 PM

Previously:

Who ARE these 38%??
90% of black voters = 11ish%
60% of Latino voters = 7ish%
90% of lib voters = 18ish%
11 + 7 + 18 = 36% + 2% random idiots = 38%

El_Terrible on August 23, 2011 at 5:27 PM

So where is the other 10 percent. Some of it is weighting more dems than repubs. Some is maybe there are more random idiots that previously thought.

Dasher on July 17, 2012 at 2:37 PM

Go ahead and back your loser. He will have no kick left when he needs it in the home stretch.

Jayrae on July 17, 2012 at 2:19 PM

I found this great post in another forum the other day. Well worth a read here.

Let’s be clear.

If you are not supporting Romney for President – no matter your agreement or disagreement with any of his stands – you are supporting Barack Obama for re-election.

To be undecided is to be decided. It’s now at that point. If you have the ability to vote for Romney and you choose to not do so – you are supporting the reelection of Barack Obama.

If you are a citizen of this nation and you want the right to complain about it and are concerned about it remaining the beacon of liberty and freedom, then get off your ass and support Mitt Romney. The choice is the clearest in my 40 years of voting in Presidential elections. The current occupant is the hands down worst, most incompetent executive and I can match any concern and beat any other list. At least Carter’s damage was limited. The Obama/Holder disregard for the Constitutional Separation of Powers must come to an end.

HTH

Del Dolemonte on July 17, 2012 at 2:40 PM

Sarah Palin has a good, clear, consistent message, but other than her, those on the right who can articulate a convincing argument are few and far between. Boehner and Rove certainly aren’t up to the job.

Burke on July 17, 2012 at 12:09 PM

And that’s why she had to be destroyed. What makes it so very very sad is that she was aided by “our side” and if you need further proof of cattiness, stupidity and “faux conservatism”, just look at yesterday’s and today’s Palin threads.

kim roy on July 17, 2012 at 2:52 PM

Nate Silver gets quoted on the front page of this blog consistently. His analyses are respected by both right and left.

casuist on July 17, 2012 at 12:51 PM

Nate Silver underestimated the Republican victory in the House by over 20 seats in 2010. Nate Silver is liberal and hence he cannot but be biased toward Obama. This election is not going to be about Bain Capital but about Obama utterly failed record as a President, period… No matter how much distraction Obama is going to use it is not going to work and it is not working as every poll is showing…. Even with way oversampling the democrats, with using adults/registered voters, with 100 million attacks ads full of lies and distortion, Obama is still tied with Romney…

mnjg on July 17, 2012 at 2:53 PM

So where is the other 10 percent. Some of it is weighting more dems than repubs. Some is maybe there are more random idiots that previously thought.

Dasher on July 17, 2012 at 2:37 PM

Moochers who don’t want to get tossed off the gravy train.

kim roy on July 17, 2012 at 2:59 PM

Sarah Palin has a good, clear, consistent message, but other than her, those on the right who can articulate a convincing argument are few and far between. Boehner and Rove certainly aren’t up to the job.

Burke on July 17, 2012 at 12:09 PM

And that’s why she had to be destroyed. What makes it so very very sad is that she was aided by “our side” and if you need further proof of cattiness, stupidity and “faux conservatism”, just look at yesterday’s and today’s Palin threads.

kim roy on July 17, 2012 at 2:52 PM

lol, thanks for reminding me. Gotta head to both of those threads with my can of sardines and toss a few more on the fire. Gotta get that original thread over 2,000 comments!

Del Dolemonte on July 17, 2012 at 3:02 PM

are you asking if it’s too close,oe why is Romney not leading by more or why is Obama leading by as much as he is.

I don’t know what your asking/

gerrym51 on July 17, 2012 at 1:58 PM

I’m asking how are 48% of those polled here so dang dumb.

mapper on July 17, 2012 at 3:22 PM

It seems as if the attacks are not working the way Obama planned. I wonder what the result would have been if the Republicans had parity with Democrats and if they only polled likely voters.

Terrye on July 17, 2012 at 3:32 PM

Both RCP and Pollster averages have Romney climbing over past 3-4 weeks.

RCP has Obama falling, Pollster has him holding steady. Both have him at 46.5.

Baingate is a bust so far.

Chuck Schick on July 17, 2012 at 3:55 PM

It’s going to be a blowout…Republicans in a romp. Think 1980 redux…

patch on July 17, 2012 at 3:55 PM

Teleprompter withdrawal is serious for the choomer ya’ll

Today Obama declared he would make the state of Texas a battleground state….soon

http://washingtonexaminer.com/obama-vows-to-make-texas-a-battleground-state/article/2502379

thread winner from the link:

# Jeremy

Texas doesn’t have enough ghettos or gay bars to make it go democrat.

* 21 minutes ago
* 64 Likes

workingclass artist on July 17, 2012 at 3:56 PM

It seems as if the attacks are not working the way Obama planned. I wonder what the result would have been if the Republicans had parity with Democrats and if they only polled likely voters.

Terrye on July 17, 2012 at 3:32 PM

It would be Romney + 5 and outside the margin of error…

mnjg on July 17, 2012 at 3:57 PM

It seems as if the attacks are not working the way Obama planned. I wonder what the result would have been if the Republicans had parity with Democrats and if they only polled likely voters.

Terrye on July 17, 2012 at 3:32 PM

Evan just using the percentages from this registered voter sample, if actual D/R/I turnout matches 2010, the numbers would be Obama 45.4% Romney 49.3%.

HTL on July 17, 2012 at 3:59 PM

The last jobs report should have ended the race. Does anything think they will ignore jobs reports with a Republican President?

That and the Senate not passing a budget should be a felony.

Wagthatdog on July 17, 2012 at 4:06 PM

Brilliant Firewall
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJFgWA8odBM&feature=youtu.be

workingclass artist on July 17, 2012 at 4:13 PM

lol, thanks for reminding me. Gotta head to both of those threads with my can of sardines and toss a few more on the fire. Gotta get that original thread over 2,000 comments!

Del Dolemonte on July 17, 2012 at 3:02 PM

Best to you. The idiocy is too painful for me.

kim roy on July 17, 2012 at 4:14 PM

Star of Pro-Obama Super PAC Ad Unleashed: ‘Obama Is a Jerk, a Pantywaist, a Lightweight, a Blowhard’

“I could really care less about Obama,” Donnie Box says of President Obama, according to In These Times. “I think Obama is a jerk, a pantywaist, a lightweight, a blowhard. He hasn’t done a g^ddamn thing that he said he would do. When he had a Democratic Senate and Democratic Congress, he didn’t do a damn thing. He doesn’t have the guts to say what’s on his mind.”

Box, In These Times reports, won’t be voting for Obama.

Here’s the pro-Obama, anti-Bain Capital ad Box appeared in:

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/star-pro-obama-super-pac-ad-unleashed-obama-jerk-pantywaist-lightweight-blowhard_648688.html

Resist We Much on July 17, 2012 at 5:10 PM

Romney’s not even Romney. I mean, is this the “severe conservative” idioteologue Romney? The centrist-independent problem-solver Romney? The progressive “I like mandates” RomneyCare Romney? … or what?

casuist on July 17, 2012 at 11:41 AM

A: Yup

cableguy615 on July 17, 2012 at 5:38 PM

If the Democrats what to think they’re winning I certainly do not want to disillusion them.

claudius on July 17, 2012 at 7:48 PM

Why do we give a rats rear end about how a Marxist polls turns out?

hawkdriver on July 17, 2012 at 7:53 PM

This is not likely voters, and doesn’t tell us how the swing states are each going.

breakout of independents, which favor Romney by four, 48/44.

I am going to call this survey Romney 48 Obama 44 based on the independent vote. You cannot over sample democrats this year, it is republicans who WANT TO VOTE TOMORROW.

Fleuries on July 17, 2012 at 11:02 PM

National polls of this type are not really instructive for one big reason…

The Unites States does NOT elect the president in a national vote!

Our president is elected by means of 51 small elections held in each state and DC.

Swing state polls are the only polls that matter.

And, as I posted on the “Pennsylvania in Play?” article: The 2012 presidential election (as it stands today) will be decided in the “Rust Belt”.

Obama will hold Illinois and can afford to lose Indiana…and maybe even Ohio. But if the prez loses any ONE of PA, MI or WI…Obama is toast.

And, Teh Won’s chances in those three states get dimmer with each negative/flat jobs report.

LaserBeam on July 17, 2012 at 11:41 PM

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